great, great video. you guys do stuff that no one else does, giving us regular golfers insight into the physics of golf without getting technical and you do it in an entertaining manner. without a doubt, best golf content on the Internet!!
I've not ever seen my numbers on a trackman, but based on yesterdays driving performance this is me to an extent. I don't always hit the fairway, but my strike is usually pretty middle of the face. My natural shot is a fade and when I feel like i hit a drive well it doesn't travel all that far. I have a really high ball flight with the driver (TM Burner Superfast at 10.5 degrees loft) and it balloons up and drops like a pin. Seeing this video makes me want to go to a demo day and get the fitter to let me jump on the trackman and test this out. You guys are the best analytical and practical golf channel ever!
Prior to your channel this was absolutely me. Based on your videos and you guys responding in the comments I got refitted into the M3 weights forward. I have added around 10-12 yards of carry and couldn't be happier! I also have to say i have dropped 6 strokes off my handicap and am finally in single digits. I owe that to you guys I haven't taken any lessons. These three videos have changed my game and my life and i'm grateful. 1. Gapping 2. Golf ball fitting (AVX) 3. Driver fitting do the adjustments actually work
That's awesome to hear. They'll love this. I'm using 10 year old equipment except for the Rogue SZ I bought this year. This channel has really helped me get it sorted out.
Would love to see the same factors considered in an iron fitting. It’s obviously a less common problem, as there are a plethora of irons dedicated to helping players get the ball in the air, but I can’t imagine I’m the only one who struggles keeping the irons low in windy conditions. Amazing content as always, best channel on RUclips for my money!!
This is exactly what I have been feeling thank you my ball I feel I strike it so well I’m down to the lowest loft I can on my current driver and still hitting 140ft just losing so much distance and this video confirmed that! Is there anything I can do without buying a new driver ? As the are now like £599
Literally just purchased this driver and made same set up 5 years on to solve this exact problem, had G425 max and i was ballooning up losing 50+ yards. seeing 20%+ launch angle with Ping - Swing obviously the issue but this has made a huge difference.
So you switched drivers? I also have a ping g425 max and am losing distance to high launch angles… was thinking of just lowering the loft from standard 10.5 to 9, but dunno how much that will help
it made a big difference for me, I went for a fitting and basically asked for lowest loft and spin and it worked for me, lots of free fitting places around. Ended up buying 2nd hand but it confirmed what works for me.@@craigrapp9469
I feel after watching all these videos I am ready to graduate master club fitting school. Its really cool to understand cause and effect of the different designs...
This opens my eyes a little. I'm still new with golf numbers when it comes to swings. I notice my drives go high, but I still fly it 310+... When I really try to put one out there, the ball tends to go high. I defiantly hit up on the ball more than most. I'm assuming I should find a different shaft. I might consider to go get fitted. Taylormade gave me a stock Stealth after breaking my SIM and I immediately noticed a difference in height and distance.
Great video guys! I fall in that category - but with a lot less speed than Matt. As a senior I have a clubhead speed of 93 to 95 mph. I fit the profile you mentioned in the video. I was told by a fitter at a llocal golf shop that most likely I would most likely need a 10.5 regular shaft. Which is the loft my past couple of drivers have been. I switched heads and accidentally set the head on my XR16 to 9.5 and my distance jumped about 15 yards. I was shocked. my ball speed jumped about 3 mph as well. Your video confirmed to me that I need to find what works best for me and not go with something that is a general guideline for driver fitting. In fairness to the fitter he was by himself and he was trying to manage three bays of hitters at one time. Thank you again guys!
Ian/Matt - what were the playing lofts of each driver (10.5* for G400 and ___ for SZ?) and could you have achieved similar results by adjusting the loft on the G400 down 1* instead of switching out to a completely different driver? I get that G400 has more spin in general than SZ and M3 but I play a 10* G400 LST adjusted to 9* and I still produce a lot of spin and my drives launch crazy high :/ Also, is there any difference between adjusting +1.0* to an 8.5* G400 LST vs. adjusting -0.6* to a 10* G400 LST? Assuming the 0.1* difference (9.5* vs 9.4*) is negligible, do the lie angles, face angles, open vs closed, etc. change at all?
Great video guys. I basically have the exact same issue as Matty at the start high spinning drives with not much roll out but I love the forgiveness that the G400 brings. What would be the first inexpensive suggestion to drop launch and spin without changing club? Ball? Shaft? Keep up the quality videos!!
I play the Callaway rogue subzero. I used to struggle with hitting my drives too high. Now I hit it straight and long. I could not be any happier. Finding fairways and now hitting PW to 8I into greens on a championship standard course.
Andy V I find the subzero has a lower trajectory and is a low spin driver. I spin around 2500 which is sound perfect for me. The club-head feels rock solid through the ball and I personally find it very forgiving on off center hits.
Hi. Enjoyed this. I’m 67 and handicap 13. Using Taylormade SIM2 Max D with A flex stock shaft. Swing speed with 7 iron is only around 67mph. I hit the driver ok but flight is v high and I get no run at all. Should I consider changing driver or look at other shafts. Appreciate any input. Cheers Jim from Glasgow 😊
I continue to have this problem. I tend to approach the ball more upright, so I know that contributes greatly to the amount of spin I create and how high I hit the ball. I am playing a TSI3 with 9.0 degree loft and a HZRDUS RDX 6.5 low spin 60g shaft. What would be the best setting of this driver to bring my ball flight down?
Great video guys, Ian can you recommend anyone in Fife or central Scotland for a good driver fitting. Been fitted in the past by Titleist rep but would love to optimise driver. As a 53 yr old and swinging on average 93mph I feel I should be getting more than a 205 carry.
One thing to add about Rogue Sub Zero...check your weights when you order it. I (perhaps naively) assumed the larger weight was placed forward by default. Played several rounds (including tournament ones) struggling to keep the ball down. One day, I decided to pop the weights out and sure enough, the heaviest weight came default in the back of the driver head vs. close to the face. Made the switch and saw an immediate difference.
@TXG Tour Experience Golf Could you guys do an updated version of this video where you go more in depth about what shafts and heads would be good in today’s market.
Guys, really enjoyed the video. I have been to a couple of fittings and struggling to keep my driver in play. I have a GC2HMT in my basement and I therefore really know my numbers. I generally have spin loft numbers between 9-13 depending how hard I want to hit up on it and how well I keep my hands moving through impact. I therefore DONT spin the ball off the driver and it seems to really hurt my carry and also direction. It seems when I hit a really low spin shot and don't hit it perfect, I really pay a price. The ball will hardly carry and dive left. I am playing an 8.5 degree driver, swinging at 106-108, hitting 4-6 up and never see a spin over about 1800 unless I leave the face open by accident. Path numbers are always between -1 out to in up to 2 in to out still hitting up. I think I need about 300-500 more rpm of spin to keep my ball in the air and straighten out the flight. Just ordered a 9.5 degree driver in the same head. How much additional spin should I expect to see from a 1 degree increase in loft? Does this make sense?
Thanks for this. I feel like you made this video specifically for me. You didn't address if there would be a difference between a 9 degree vs a 10.5 degree head. Is that covered in another video.
This is me all over, got a fitting this Saturday for the new titleist drivers and this video has come at a great time. Great content as always guys. PS I play at Lanark GC in Scotland and it’s constantly windy.
Feel like school is in during your videos. This is me exactly ball goes high doesnt roll out but a foot from landing. Lots of spin. Was hitting an R11 9.0 got a M3 9.5 for my bday 98-99 mph club stiff flex tensi blue . Definitely has lowerd flight, i have one weight all the way up near face and the other is at the intersection of the Y track. 9.5 lowered it a tad. Would heavier weights be a good move from the 11grams?
Unbelievable fitting possibilities and knowledge👌🏽 ....this is how a fitting centre should be....here in the Netherlands you have to do the fitting in golfshops with (maybe) trackman and not complete demo fitting carts from the main brands and golfshop salesmen who are not real, fulltime, fitters. Great stuff and every video gives me something to think about👍🏽
Right on target. I just moved from the 913D3 10.5 to the TS3 9.5 for similar reasons. Similar shafts; Bassara 55 S in the 913 and Tensei AV 55 S in the TS. Dropped my launch angle by 3 degrees, reduced the spin to 2100 rpm, gained 5 mph of ball speed and dropped the decent angle from 39 to 34 degrees, which produced a lot more roll. I may actually adjust the loft by +0.75 to see if there’s anything more to squeeze out of it.
I tried changing the TS3 setting from A1 to D4 to add +0.75° of loft, making it a 10.25° driver and the results were amazing. During the Titleist fitting, I got really good Trackman numbers in the A1 setting, but the flight characteristics in D4 were fantastic after more intensive range sessions. Why did +0.75° improve the flight shape and stability so much? I gained more than +0.75° of launch angle, but was still well within the desirable range. The peak height occurred farther downrange and I gained another 10-15 yards, easily ... into a 10 mph wind! Please help me understand how such a seemingly small change made a substantial difference. Thanks.
Always the debate, do you mask it with equipment or fix the issue. For a player who went this direction but then fixed their early release is this still a viable option or are there more versatile heads ?
I have been fit multiple times in the past with great results on the course. I only wish folks were also able to see the actual flight outdoors to truly "see" what those flights look like. In the past I would think I was hitting it too high, but I was just really hitting some spinny ones every once in a while.
That’s great stuff I strike my M2 great and average around 150 mph but my ball flight is too high. It’s set at 9.5 loft should I put it on 9 to see a difference ?
awesome stuff. This video reminds me last winter I hit an unusually high drive onto a very soft fairway. Bounced back from pitch/plug mark with negative 6 inches of roll. That's golf in Ireland for you! Quite often "carry distance" is the key number in these parts, but this video makes clear that is not necessarily reached via a super high launch.
I've got the new TS3 and cant stop hitting it into orbit again feel like I hit it out the middle an straight but probably only carrying 220yds! I top out my swing speed at around 105mph. I used to be in the top 5 longest drivers in the club but struggled for a few years now hitting the ball too high. I was thinking of changing to the new G410 LST or do you think I should use the money to have lessons to change my swing?
My driver launches are a little too low. Any help? I used to have a steep driver swing but I recently fixed that and got my swing flattened out so I'm hitting the ball a lot farther now but low. Kinda sucks.
So were these the same lofts on each driver? A little confused on that. I have the problem. I like to swing up on my driver I hit it much more accurate and consistent on the face when swinging up but I have a really high flight with an 8* Long Tom driver. Would switching to a lower lofted driver help me as well as moving weights?
I got fitted with a Ping G400 max driver 10.5 and the fitter set it set loft to 11.5 as I was struggling with a low cut , it was straight through as I got better the high flight was stalling so I went back and he set it back to 10.5 which made a huge change to trajectory.
Would love to see a test of tip weights vs lead tape on head for irons. Thinking 7-10 grams. Maybe on a slightly wider cavity back, since it should theoretically have a greater effect on CG location than on thin blades. Also curious to see if there's a ball speed difference, since there should be more mass directly behind the ball with tape. Perhaps there's also a difference in ease of face closure.
I went to demo day yesterday. First time seeing trackman numbers. My complaint was no distance. D/3/5 all go about the same distance. My launch angle was 22-26! They basically told me to work on that before a new club would help.
I’ve just bought a Ping 425 SFT previously playing a G30 SFT and still get very high flights with the new one, Don’t really want to now go and buy a Rogue SZ is there anything I can do to alter the flight ? The 425 is set at 9 degrees !
Oh guys, can't describe how happy I am to be able to come to TXG an get fitted by you. I am struggling since ever to find the Driver that fits to my swing and game.
I tried this fix with the driver was awesome worked really well for me. I also have the same problem with my irons even with the ball back in my stance it goes to high. I was fitted into AP2 2 up and +1 inch (am 6”4) with KBS C taper x flex shafts but still struggle with height, kills me in the wind. Local store doesn’t seem to know how to help? Any ideas what to try?
Finally! Soo frustrated! Feeling like I crushed my driver, swing faster then my brother and Always 30 yards short. I’ll be ordering heavier weights for my driver asap! Thanks a bunch guys. Question. Did he lower his loft as well?
This is me. I'm a decent driver. Accurate, but only about 270 total on an average strike, normal conditions. Into a headwind, more like 240. I'm using 9.5 degrees, and I swing about 103-105. I'm thinking that spin may be the culprit. So I'm curious about the swing weight. Is there a configuration to applying lead tape to the head that I could use to bring the spin down? As opposed to buying new equipment. I simply can't afford that at the moment. But perhaps eventually a new shaft is the answer? I'm using a taylormade stock stiff shaft from 10 years ago, so maybe. Any responses would be greatly appreciated.
Glad I found this video. This is very much me. I already have a Epic GBB Sub Zero and play AVX, but maybe the weights might help. Thanks for all the videos.
Good video! I think I'm having problems with the spin rate with my driver. I am hitting my driver quite hard, (110 mph ss), but I get high and spinny ball flight, and my drives end up being only 270 yards with absolutely no roll even on a dry fairway. How could I get my spin rate down?
I hope I'm not wrong here, but usually Ian suggests managing launch and spin primarily with the head. So lofting down or a head with "low-spin DNA" (like a Sub-Zero from Callaway, LST from Ping, etc) would be good options
This is exactly what I am looking for. I hit the ball so high and carry it 280 or up but with a very descending flight basically no roll. I use a stiff flex yellow smoke shaft with a speed zone head. I have no issue with fairways. Need to get some lower flights as soon as possible.
Sooooo, what's the solution? Move weight to front? If so, does that require a new driver head? I have an Epic GBB. I can change loft and closed/open face setting and slide the draw-fade thing. But I still don't know what you guys did to that Rogue to lower ball flight.
So, may I ask? If my driver swing speed is 105-110mph, what numbers would be optimal for me? Launch, peak height, spin , decent angle , carry /total etc. cheers
Was the SZ a 10.5* static loft or dynamic loft(hosel adjusted)? With adding the extra weights what swing weight did you end up at. Is the driver at 45"?
Don't you think tho that most amateurs aren't always so consistent with there swings? I'm a joiner and if I've been doing loads of heavy work all wk and go to the golf I end up playing a slight fade all day. Have an relatively easy wk with no heavy graft and I play straighter and lower balls. Is this ever considered when club fitting and get someone to go back another day to see some numbers.
I broke my harrison pro 1.8 tour 80. I need to find a similar replacement, would the aldila rip alpha 70 work? I had a good low ball flight and carried 280-300. Trying to find something that will be similar.
These videos are simple the best. This is me in a nutshell, I love my G400max but spin it entirely to high. It does have the stock 55g stiff shaft, what shafts would you suggest to help with the high ball flight? Swing speed 95-100. Forgot to mention that it is 9 degree, adjusted to -1 degree, with that being said, a heavier more stiff tip driver would not help much?
The shaft likely won't change your spin rate a noticeable amount Jamie, I would look at lowering the loft using the adjustable hosel for a more significant ball flight change.
I would love to visit you guys at txg toronto to fix my sky high drive but I am unsure of what "fitting" that would fall under. Any guidance would be appreciated.
Timely video. I hit my driver high and at times get that rising balata spinner that I know loses some distance. I was on Trackman yesterday with my 915 D2 10.5 set at 9.75 (C2) with a Fujikura Speeder 757 Evolution 1 Tour Spec Stiff shaft. Here are my numbers: Swing Speed 96.2, Ball Speed 145.7, Smash 1.51, Spin 2546, Launch 15.2, Attack +1.4, Carry 249.2, Total 271.3. The balls were new Callaway range balls and I do not notice much yardage difference between them and Pro V1 and X's I play. The yardage numbers are what I see on the golf course, typically carrying it in the 235-250 range. Should I be getting a little more out of these numbers with a swing speed in the 95-100 MPH range? I have a heavier weight I can add but the shaft is already heavy at 78 grams. I was thinking of going to a lighter, low launch, low spin shaft. Maybe the 661 Evo II or IV? Others? I've been considering the softer AVX for the Fall and Winter. I've tried it and may see some distance gain in the long end but lower spin balls scare me at the shorter end of the bag. Thoughts on my numbers and direction I should take?
Hi, love your content. I bought a G410 plus with the stock Evenflow black 6.0 75g shaft. 10.5° head. Best strike was 111mph swing with 1.48 ball speed. My Apex was 171.9 and spin was 3700. Got 266 carry and 271 total, lol....if I set it to 9.5° or 9°, the face will open. I'm wondering if I move the weight to the toe or heel to counter the open face? Thanks.
Ian and Matt - I feel like I hit my Taylormade R7 460 with 11.5 degrees of Loft, very far but it feels like it doesn’t go anywhere. When I was fitted for it, the computer at Carl’s predicted it would go further than several other clubs. The ball doesn’t seem to role out.
Hi guys, quick question. I thought the swings between the 2 heads were meant to be the same. Only reason I ask is the attack angle with the rogue is pretty much half of the Ping. Would a club on its own have any influence on attack angle? Also, I’ve seen loads of stuff from Trackman on hitting up on your driver 4 degrees plus. What are your thoughts on this? Cheers
I have a moderate swing speed. I was hitting driver too high, set at 9.5 degrees with stiff shaft, so I knocked it down to 8.5 degrees and now I am hitting it longer and straighter than ever.
Lol this was so me in 2018, but in 2019 and even in 2020 my coach fixed this type of issue. My attack angle with the driver was too far down instead of up. I was swinging it 107 mph on average in that lesson, but my spin was way too high. So now I use the downward attack angle with the driver if I want to tee it lower and to just find the fairway. But in a lot of my drives especially on the driving range and wide holes in the course, I’ve been carrying my driver past 260 at times with a more upward angle of attack by just putting the ball way more up in my stance. Shockingly, my swing path is less in to out and I do have a similar swing tendency like Matt in the video and I am left handed. Shockingly, when the ball is more up in the stance and if one swings with no manipulation, the swing path will have a tendency to be more inward on the follow through. To those who are struggling with high spin drives, you guys are not alone because I had that problem in 2018. But now I think I’ve fixed it.
How much difference would a 22 handicap see with fitting. I started playing four months ago and inherited my brothers older set when he bought new clubs. Thoughts?
Likely quite a bit Robert, an experienced fitter can get you started on the right path as you work on your game with clubs that will suit you over time and help you enjoy the game more, and compliment your swing
I found if I tee the ball low I tend to hit it left, with a slight pull (G410 plus, 10.5°). If I tee the ball up, it fades right. Can you do a video on different tee heights and how they affect launch and spin?
Any advice on where to find the “dna” of my driver? Everyone makes fun of my ball flight coming back into the atmosphere. I hit it 240-260 could I really get more with this type setup?
As always guys great content. As I mentioned in previous videos I've got the epic sub zero with Oban devotion 6 X flex shaft. Head weighs 196 grams. Going to order the heavier weights for head and test on GC quad at East Kilbride golf club.
Please Please do a video on Hitting Driver, Woods and Irons Too Low. Many of us struggle with knuckle balls, with ball flights around 5 degrees lower than average
I always seem to hit it higher at the range ,we have great facilities there with fitting and flightscope so I know my numbers quite well ,the only thing thats not great is that we have range balls ,they are the srixon black stripe ones ,I think they are about 10% less distance so you would need a shot from Heaven to get it over 300 yards which is what the range is .Would you guys say that in general these sort of range balls do fly higher ,I do notice if you get too much height and spin they can kind of drop out of the air almost like they have hit a force field .Once again very good video guys and Matt really seems on it with the driver .
Big variance with range balls across different facilities, some are quite low spin and very firm while others are designed to fly a bit shorter due to distance restrictions
I'm curious because you've mentioned before how light the standard Rogue heads are. What type of golfer would that standard weighted Rogue head be good for?
To be honest, not a whole lot of golfers would benefit from that light of a head. It makes for a good build when paired with a super light shaft, for example, but for the most part a higher head weight pairs better with the average player's weight category of shaft and delivers an ideal swingweight.
This is on the Xmas list, great video, I hit the driver well, with 18 degrees of dynamic loft and 4500 rpm of back spin, it’s tough, my driver is a fixed style from 8 years ago
Considering only spin, with assuming all other factors are optimized, is there any condition where a lower spin is going to negatively impact the ball flight? Too much headwind that knocks the ball down...cross wind that moves the ball too much...etc?
I had the same. Problem with the subzero I have put some 1 gram fishing leads behind the normal weights to make it a a lot better and it doesn’t move if tightening normal and accurate . Have to do something because they don’t have the weights over here
Andy V ok I will search for it but the fishing leads works great and it a buck for a box full of them and they rol in easy keep the driver on his side drop in the lead balls and insert normal weight above the fishing leads screw in a bit turn driver upside down separating the lead balls evenly then screw in the rest.
This is totally me! Ping G25 Driver 10.5 neutral and I need more distance. (255 avg.) Always have the higher peak (not a ballooning things just higher than needed) I usually need to move the placement of the ball further back in my stance to obtain the flight I would prefer to see.
Again, awesome video. Is there any way to get the launch down on the Max? Would heavier weights or hot melt get the launch lower? How about a low launching shaft to pair it with? Thanks as always for another interesting and informative video. Please keep them coming!
Hi guys , I recently got fit for a driver and my 2017 m2 9.5 was launching between 11-12 spinning mostly under 2000 and I tried a standard epic 10.5 and it was launching 16-18 , can you explain why launch was so dramatically different for a 1.5 degree loft change
I have the G400Max with Tensi orange. It still launch really high even with more quality shaft. Current it is on 10.5, anything I can do to lower the launch? Can't afford new driver especially after purchased new shaft ha
You guys are frickin brilliant I am learning so much with your take on golf and it’s seriously fun! Prob call it reverse engineering either way it’s the best and super insightful.. keep at it
I haven't watched this video yet, but I had a long session on a monitor yesterday with a club head speed average of 108 but 3500 rpm spin, carry average of 245. Seemed a bit short to me and the timing of this video is as ironic but awesome.
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As I guy whose driver peaks at over 200ft, I'm the guy who is excited by this video. Ho-lee!
Same. Over 200 is a big issue for me too.
great, great video. you guys do stuff that no one else does, giving us regular golfers insight into the physics of golf without getting technical and you do it in an entertaining manner. without a doubt, best golf content on the Internet!!
I've not ever seen my numbers on a trackman, but based on yesterdays driving performance this is me to an extent. I don't always hit the fairway, but my strike is usually pretty middle of the face. My natural shot is a fade and when I feel like i hit a drive well it doesn't travel all that far. I have a really high ball flight with the driver (TM Burner Superfast at 10.5 degrees loft) and it balloons up and drops like a pin. Seeing this video makes me want to go to a demo day and get the fitter to let me jump on the trackman and test this out.
You guys are the best analytical and practical golf channel ever!
Ian must be so inspiring to work with. His passion and knowledge for club fitting is mind-blowing. Also, much prefer the intro music for this video.
Prior to your channel this was absolutely me. Based on your videos and you guys responding in the comments I got refitted into the M3 weights forward. I have added around 10-12 yards of carry and couldn't be happier! I also have to say i have dropped 6 strokes off my handicap and am finally in single digits. I owe that to you guys I haven't taken any lessons. These three videos have changed my game and my life and i'm grateful. 1. Gapping 2. Golf ball fitting (AVX) 3. Driver fitting do the adjustments actually work
That's awesome to hear. They'll love this. I'm using 10 year old equipment except for the Rogue SZ I bought this year. This channel has really helped me get it sorted out.
That's awesome to hear willie! That kind of story makes it all worthwhile for us
Your channel is absolutely the best. I wish you had a location in Calgary. Keep up the great work.
I can’t get over how drastic these are.... I booked myself a driver fitting tomorrow... it’s my first driver fitting and I’m pumped !
Would love to see the same factors considered in an iron fitting. It’s obviously a less common problem, as there are a plethora of irons dedicated to helping players get the ball in the air, but I can’t imagine I’m the only one who struggles keeping the irons low in windy conditions. Amazing content as always, best channel on RUclips for my money!!
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Ian I'm one of those lucky ones to see this video because I always struggle with higher spin off the driver. Awesome, thanks!!!!
This is exactly what I have been feeling thank you my ball I feel I strike it so well I’m down to the lowest loft I can on my current driver and still hitting 140ft just losing so much distance and this video confirmed that! Is there anything I can do without buying a new driver ? As the are now like £599
Literally just purchased this driver and made same set up 5 years on to solve this exact problem, had G425 max and i was ballooning up losing 50+ yards. seeing 20%+ launch angle with Ping - Swing obviously the issue but this has made a huge difference.
So you switched drivers? I also have a ping g425 max and am losing distance to high launch angles… was thinking of just lowering the loft from standard 10.5 to 9, but dunno how much that will help
it made a big difference for me, I went for a fitting and basically asked for lowest loft and spin and it worked for me, lots of free fitting places around. Ended up buying 2nd hand but it confirmed what works for me.@@craigrapp9469
Jeezo Ian, I could listen to you all day, and I'm from the Homelands 👌
I feel after watching all these videos I am ready to graduate master club fitting school. Its really cool to understand cause and effect of the different designs...
This opens my eyes a little. I'm still new with golf numbers when it comes to swings. I notice my drives go high, but I still fly it 310+... When I really try to put one out there, the ball tends to go high. I defiantly hit up on the ball more than most. I'm assuming I should find a different shaft. I might consider to go get fitted. Taylormade gave me a stock Stealth after breaking my SIM and I immediately noticed a difference in height and distance.
Great video guys! I fall in that category - but with a lot less speed than Matt. As a senior I have a clubhead speed of 93 to 95 mph. I fit the profile you mentioned in the video. I was told by a fitter at a llocal golf shop that most likely I would most likely need a 10.5 regular shaft. Which is the loft my past couple of drivers have been. I switched heads and accidentally set the head on my XR16 to 9.5 and my distance jumped about 15 yards. I was shocked. my ball speed jumped about 3 mph as well. Your video confirmed to me that I need to find what works best for me and not go with something that is a general guideline for driver fitting. In fairness to the fitter he was by himself and he was trying to manage three bays of hitters at one time. Thank you again guys!
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Ian/Matt - what were the playing lofts of each driver (10.5* for G400 and ___ for SZ?) and could you have achieved similar results by adjusting the loft on the G400 down 1* instead of switching out to a completely different driver? I get that G400 has more spin in general than SZ and M3 but I play a 10* G400 LST adjusted to 9* and I still produce a lot of spin and my drives launch crazy high :/
Also, is there any difference between adjusting +1.0* to an 8.5* G400 LST vs. adjusting -0.6* to a 10* G400 LST? Assuming the 0.1* difference (9.5* vs 9.4*) is negligible, do the lie angles, face angles, open vs closed, etc. change at all?
Great video guys. I basically have the exact same issue as Matty at the start high spinning drives with not much roll out but I love the forgiveness that the G400 brings. What would be the first inexpensive suggestion to drop launch and spin without changing club? Ball? Shaft? Keep up the quality videos!!
I play the Callaway rogue subzero. I used to struggle with hitting my drives too high. Now I hit it straight and long. I could not be any happier. Finding fairways and now hitting PW to 8I into greens on a championship standard course.
What did you do to hit it better
Andy V I find the subzero has a lower trajectory and is a low spin driver. I spin around 2500 which is sound perfect for me. The club-head feels rock solid through the ball and I personally find it very forgiving on off center hits.
Hi. Enjoyed this. I’m 67 and handicap 13. Using Taylormade SIM2 Max D with A flex stock shaft. Swing speed with 7 iron is only around 67mph. I hit the driver ok but flight is v high and I get no run at all. Should I consider changing driver or look at other shafts. Appreciate any input.
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Jim from Glasgow 😊
I continue to have this problem. I tend to approach the ball more upright, so I know that contributes greatly to the amount of spin I create and how high I hit the ball. I am playing a TSI3 with 9.0 degree loft and a HZRDUS RDX 6.5 low spin 60g shaft. What would be the best setting of this driver to bring my ball flight down?
Great video guys, Ian can you recommend anyone in Fife or central Scotland for a good driver fitting. Been fitted in the past by Titleist rep but would love to optimise driver. As a 53 yr old and swinging on average 93mph I feel I should be getting more than a 205 carry.
One thing to add about Rogue Sub Zero...check your weights when you order it. I (perhaps naively) assumed the larger weight was placed forward by default. Played several rounds (including tournament ones) struggling to keep the ball down. One day, I decided to pop the weights out and sure enough, the heaviest weight came default in the back of the driver head vs. close to the face. Made the switch and saw an immediate difference.
I have the same problem w same
Club. Added weights and got a lower spin shaft and it’s perfect for me now.
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Could you guys do an updated version of this video where you go more in depth about what shafts and heads would be good in today’s market.
I'm a ping400 driver guy with this exact problem. I know this is an old video, but thank you!
Love this video. Very eye opening. I too am one of those "somebody"s that was getting excited seeing the results come in. Much appreciated!
Wrench in hand and moving the weights on my Driver forward now. Can't wait to test it. Thanks guys. Great video again.
We're the weight set up - 14g front, 12g rear?
Guys, really enjoyed the video. I have been to a couple of fittings and struggling to keep my driver in play. I have a GC2HMT in my basement and I therefore really know my numbers. I generally have spin loft numbers between 9-13 depending how hard I want to hit up on it and how well I keep my hands moving through impact. I therefore DONT spin the ball off the driver and it seems to really hurt my carry and also direction. It seems when I hit a really low spin shot and don't hit it perfect, I really pay a price. The ball will hardly carry and dive left. I am playing an 8.5 degree driver, swinging at 106-108, hitting 4-6 up and never see a spin over about 1800 unless I leave the face open by accident. Path numbers are always between -1 out to in up to 2 in to out still hitting up. I think I need about 300-500 more rpm of spin to keep my ball in the air and straighten out the flight. Just ordered a 9.5 degree driver in the same head. How much additional spin should I expect to see from a 1 degree increase in loft? Does this make sense?
Thanks for this.
I feel like you made this video specifically for me.
You didn't address if there would be a difference between a 9 degree vs a 10.5 degree head.
Is that covered in another video.
This is me all over, got a fitting this Saturday for the new titleist drivers and this video has come at a great time. Great content as always guys. PS I play at Lanark GC in Scotland and it’s constantly windy.
Feel like school is in during your videos.
This is me exactly ball goes high doesnt roll out but a foot from landing. Lots of spin. Was hitting an R11 9.0 got a M3 9.5 for my bday 98-99 mph club stiff flex tensi blue . Definitely has lowerd flight, i have one weight all the way up near face and the other is at the intersection of the Y track. 9.5 lowered it a tad. Would heavier weights be a good move from the 11grams?
Great video, I’m having issues with spin, not sure its my launch monitor or me. 13.5 launch, 1.9 up on the ball, 180.3 ball speed and a deadly 4K spin
Unbelievable fitting possibilities and knowledge👌🏽 ....this is how a fitting centre should be....here in the Netherlands you have to do the fitting in golfshops with (maybe) trackman and not complete demo fitting carts from the main brands and golfshop salesmen who are not real, fulltime, fitters. Great stuff and every video gives me something to think about👍🏽
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Right on target. I just moved from the 913D3 10.5 to the TS3 9.5 for similar reasons. Similar shafts; Bassara 55 S in the 913 and Tensei AV 55 S in the TS. Dropped my launch angle by 3 degrees, reduced the spin to 2100 rpm, gained 5 mph of ball speed and dropped the decent angle from 39 to 34 degrees, which produced a lot more roll. I may actually adjust the loft by +0.75 to see if there’s anything more to squeeze out of it.
I tried changing the TS3 setting from A1 to D4 to add +0.75° of loft, making it a 10.25° driver and the results were amazing. During the Titleist fitting, I got really good Trackman numbers in the A1 setting, but the flight characteristics in D4 were fantastic after more intensive range sessions. Why did +0.75° improve the flight shape and stability so much? I gained more than +0.75° of launch angle, but was still well within the desirable range. The peak height occurred farther downrange and I gained another 10-15 yards, easily ... into a 10 mph wind! Please help me understand how such a seemingly small change made a substantial difference. Thanks.
Always the debate, do you mask it with equipment or fix the issue. For a player who went this direction but then fixed their early release is this still a viable option or are there more versatile heads ?
I have been fit multiple times in the past with great results on the course. I only wish folks were also able to see the actual flight outdoors to truly "see" what those flights look like. In the past I would think I was hitting it too high, but I was just really hitting some spinny ones every once in a while.
That’s great stuff I strike my M2 great and average around 150 mph but my ball flight is too high. It’s set at 9.5 loft should I put it on 9 to see a difference ?
awesome stuff. This video reminds me last winter I hit an unusually high drive onto a very soft fairway. Bounced back from pitch/plug mark with negative 6 inches of roll. That's golf in Ireland for you! Quite often "carry distance" is the key number in these parts, but this video makes clear that is not necessarily reached via a super high launch.
I've got the new TS3 and cant stop hitting it into orbit again feel like I hit it out the middle an straight but probably only carrying 220yds! I top out my swing speed at around 105mph. I used to be in the top 5 longest drivers in the club but struggled for a few years now hitting the ball too high. I was thinking of changing to the new G410 LST or do you think I should use the money to have lessons to change my swing?
My driver launches are a little too low. Any help? I used to have a steep driver swing but I recently fixed that and got my swing flattened out so I'm hitting the ball a lot farther now but low. Kinda sucks.
If I cud hit it 290 yards and be “high and spinny” I’d b delighted 😂 that guys a machine!!!
So were these the same lofts on each driver? A little confused on that. I have the problem. I like to swing up on my driver I hit it much more accurate and consistent on the face when swinging up but I have a really high flight with an 8* Long Tom driver. Would switching to a lower lofted driver help me as well as moving weights?
I got fitted with a Ping G400 max driver 10.5 and the fitter set it set loft to 11.5 as I was struggling with a low cut , it was straight through as I got better the high flight was stalling so I went back and he set it back to 10.5 which made a huge change to trajectory.
Would love to see a test of tip weights vs lead tape on head for irons. Thinking 7-10 grams. Maybe on a slightly wider cavity back, since it should theoretically have a greater effect on CG location than on thin blades. Also curious to see if there's a ball speed difference, since there should be more mass directly behind the ball with tape. Perhaps there's also a difference in ease of face closure.
I went to demo day yesterday. First time seeing trackman numbers. My complaint was no distance. D/3/5 all go about the same distance. My launch angle was 22-26! They basically told me to work on that before a new club would help.
I’ve just bought a Ping 425 SFT previously playing a G30 SFT and still get very high flights with the new one, Don’t really want to now go and buy a Rogue SZ is there anything I can do to alter the flight ? The 425 is set at 9 degrees !
Oh guys, can't describe how happy I am to be able to come to TXG an get fitted by you. I am struggling since ever to find the Driver that fits to my swing and game.
I tried this fix with the driver was awesome worked really well for me. I also have the same problem with my irons even with the ball back in my stance it goes to high. I was fitted into AP2 2 up and +1 inch (am 6”4) with KBS C taper x flex shafts but still struggle with height, kills me in the wind. Local store doesn’t seem to know how to help? Any ideas what to try?
Finally! Soo frustrated! Feeling like I crushed my driver, swing faster then my brother and Always 30 yards short. I’ll be ordering heavier weights for my driver asap! Thanks a bunch guys. Question. Did he lower his loft as well?
This is me. I'm a decent driver. Accurate, but only about 270 total on an average strike, normal conditions. Into a headwind, more like 240. I'm using 9.5 degrees, and I swing about 103-105. I'm thinking that spin may be the culprit. So I'm curious about the swing weight. Is there a configuration to applying lead tape to the head that I could use to bring the spin down? As opposed to buying new equipment. I simply can't afford that at the moment. But perhaps eventually a new shaft is the answer? I'm using a taylormade stock stiff shaft from 10 years ago, so maybe. Any responses would be greatly appreciated.
Glad I found this video. This is very much me. I already have a Epic GBB Sub Zero and play AVX, but maybe the weights might help. Thanks for all the videos.
Pretty awesome to see how the clubs work and all of the explanations contained in this video. Great job, really enjoyed it.
Good video! I think I'm having problems with the spin rate with my driver. I am hitting my driver quite hard, (110 mph ss), but I get high and spinny ball flight, and my drives end up being only 270 yards with absolutely no roll even on a dry fairway. How could I get my spin rate down?
I hope I'm not wrong here, but usually Ian suggests managing launch and spin primarily with the head. So lofting down or a head with "low-spin DNA" (like a Sub-Zero from Callaway, LST from Ping, etc) would be good options
This is exactly what I am looking for. I hit the ball so high and carry it 280 or up but with a very descending flight basically no roll. I use a stiff flex yellow smoke shaft with a speed zone head. I have no issue with fairways. Need to get some lower flights as soon as possible.
This is an old video, but I have an aoa of 7-10, and a peak height of 142 feet on average 18 degree launch. Thanks for this video
Sooooo, what's the solution? Move weight to front? If so, does that require a new driver head? I have an Epic GBB. I can change loft and closed/open face setting and slide the draw-fade thing. But I still don't know what you guys did to that Rogue to lower ball flight.
So, may I ask? If my driver swing speed is 105-110mph, what numbers would be optimal for me? Launch, peak height, spin , decent angle , carry /total etc. cheers
Was the SZ a 10.5* static loft or dynamic loft(hosel adjusted)? With adding the extra weights what swing weight did you end up at. Is the driver at 45"?
Don't you think tho that most amateurs aren't always so consistent with there swings?
I'm a joiner and if I've been doing loads of heavy work all wk and go to the golf I end up playing a slight fade all day. Have an relatively easy wk with no heavy graft and I play straighter and lower balls. Is this ever considered when club fitting and get someone to go back another day to see some numbers.
I broke my harrison pro 1.8 tour 80. I need to find a similar replacement, would the aldila rip alpha 70 work? I had a good low ball flight and carried 280-300. Trying to find something that will be similar.
These videos are simple the best. This is me in a nutshell, I love my G400max but spin it entirely to high. It does have the stock 55g stiff shaft, what shafts would you suggest to help with the high ball flight? Swing speed 95-100. Forgot to mention that it is 9 degree, adjusted to -1 degree, with that being said, a heavier more stiff tip driver would not help much?
The shaft likely won't change your spin rate a noticeable amount Jamie, I would look at lowering the loft using the adjustable hosel for a more significant ball flight change.
You guys are terrific. Love listening to you. Heard you mention M3. Went back to M2. Like it better.
I would love to visit you guys at txg toronto to fix my sky high drive but I am unsure of what "fitting" that would fall under. Any guidance would be appreciated.
Do a video hitting into 40 mph wind looking at all types of shots. Eg. low draw, high draw, stinger, high fade etc!
Timely video. I hit my driver high and at times get that rising balata spinner that I know loses some distance. I was on Trackman yesterday with my 915 D2 10.5 set at 9.75 (C2) with a Fujikura Speeder 757 Evolution 1 Tour Spec Stiff shaft. Here are my numbers: Swing Speed 96.2, Ball Speed 145.7, Smash 1.51, Spin 2546, Launch 15.2, Attack +1.4, Carry 249.2, Total 271.3. The balls were new Callaway range balls and I do not notice much yardage difference between them and Pro V1 and X's I play. The yardage numbers are what I see on the golf course, typically carrying it in the 235-250 range. Should I be getting a little more out of these numbers with a swing speed in the 95-100 MPH range? I have a heavier weight I can add but the shaft is already heavy at 78 grams. I was thinking of going to a lighter, low launch, low spin shaft. Maybe the 661 Evo II or IV? Others? I've been considering the softer AVX for the Fall and Winter. I've tried it and may see some distance gain in the long end but lower spin balls scare me at the shorter end of the bag. Thoughts on my numbers and direction I should take?
Hi, love your content. I bought a G410 plus with the stock Evenflow black 6.0 75g shaft. 10.5° head. Best strike was 111mph swing with 1.48 ball speed. My Apex was 171.9 and spin was 3700. Got 266 carry and 271 total, lol....if I set it to 9.5° or 9°, the face will open. I'm wondering if I move the weight to the toe or heel to counter the open face? Thanks.
Ian and Matt - I feel like I hit my Taylormade R7 460 with 11.5 degrees of
Loft, very far but it feels like it doesn’t go anywhere. When I was fitted for it, the computer at Carl’s predicted it would go further than several other clubs. The ball doesn’t seem to role out.
Hi guys, quick question. I thought the swings between the 2 heads were meant to be the same. Only reason I ask is the attack angle with the rogue is pretty much half of the Ping. Would a club on its own have any influence on attack angle? Also, I’ve seen loads of stuff from Trackman on hitting up on your driver 4 degrees plus. What are your thoughts on this? Cheers
I have a moderate swing speed. I was hitting driver too high, set at 9.5 degrees with stiff shaft, so I knocked it down to 8.5 degrees and now I am hitting it longer and straighter than ever.
Lol this was so me in 2018, but in 2019 and even in 2020 my coach fixed this type of issue. My attack angle with the driver was too far down instead of up. I was swinging it 107 mph on average in that lesson, but my spin was way too high. So now I use the downward attack angle with the driver if I want to tee it lower and to just find the fairway. But in a lot of my drives especially on the driving range and wide holes in the course, I’ve been carrying my driver past 260 at times with a more upward angle of attack by just putting the ball way more up in my stance. Shockingly, my swing path is less in to out and I do have a similar swing tendency like Matt in the video and I am left handed. Shockingly, when the ball is more up in the stance and if one swings with no manipulation, the swing path will have a tendency to be more inward on the follow through. To those who are struggling with high spin drives, you guys are not alone because I had that problem in 2018. But now I think I’ve fixed it.
How much difference would a 22 handicap see with fitting. I started playing four months ago and inherited my brothers older set when he bought new clubs. Thoughts?
Likely quite a bit Robert, an experienced fitter can get you started on the right path as you work on your game with clubs that will suit you over time and help you enjoy the game more, and compliment your swing
I found if I tee the ball low I tend to hit it left, with a slight pull (G410 plus, 10.5°). If I tee the ball up, it fades right. Can you do a video on different tee heights and how they affect launch and spin?
Would you recommend the same weighting approach for someone playing a Mavrik Sub Zero?
Any advice on where to find the “dna” of my driver? Everyone makes fun of my ball flight coming back into the atmosphere. I hit it 240-260 could I really get more with this type setup?
As always guys great content. As I mentioned in previous videos I've got the epic sub zero with Oban devotion 6 X flex shaft. Head weighs 196 grams. Going to order the heavier weights for head and test on GC quad at East Kilbride golf club.
This video is gold! I’m that guy.
Great video. Can you tell us the actual driver setup in words?
Please Please do a video on Hitting Driver, Woods and Irons Too Low. Many of us struggle with knuckle balls, with ball flights around 5 degrees lower than average
I always seem to hit it higher at the range ,we have great facilities there with fitting and flightscope so I know my numbers quite well ,the only thing thats not great is that we have range balls ,they are the srixon black stripe ones ,I think they are about 10% less distance so you would need a shot from Heaven to get it over 300 yards which is what the range is .Would you guys say that in general these sort of range balls do fly higher ,I do notice if you get too much height and spin they can kind of drop out of the air almost like they have hit a force field .Once again very good video guys and Matt really seems on it with the driver .
Big variance with range balls across different facilities, some are quite low spin and very firm while others are designed to fly a bit shorter due to distance restrictions
I'm curious because you've mentioned before how light the standard Rogue heads are. What type of golfer would that standard weighted Rogue head be good for?
To be honest, not a whole lot of golfers would benefit from that light of a head. It makes for a good build when paired with a super light shaft, for example, but for the most part a higher head weight pairs better with the average player's weight category of shaft and delivers an ideal swingweight.
This is on the Xmas list, great video, I hit the driver well, with 18 degrees of dynamic loft and 4500 rpm of back spin, it’s tough, my driver is a fixed style from 8 years ago
Happy 20k guys. Well deserved. Keep up the good work. Mich
great review guys! ...oh and i have no clue what loft the SZ is set at
I am using a Taylormade M2 10.5. I tend to have a high ball flight. Will I get similar results just adjusting the loft down?
lofting down would help
Considering only spin, with assuming all other factors are optimized, is there any condition where a lower spin is going to negatively impact the ball flight? Too much headwind that knocks the ball down...cross wind that moves the ball too much...etc?
Likely just downwind, not enough spin on the ball could cause it to get knocked down
I had the same. Problem with the subzero I have put some 1 gram fishing leads behind the normal weights to make it a a lot better and it doesn’t move if tightening normal and accurate .
Have to do something because they don’t have the weights over here
I ordered custom weight set off ebay cheap price
Andy V ok I will search for it but the fishing leads works great and it a buck for a box full of them and they rol in easy keep the driver on his side drop in the lead balls and insert normal weight above the fishing leads screw in a bit turn driver upside down separating the lead balls evenly then screw in the rest.
This is totally me! Ping G25 Driver 10.5 neutral and I need more distance. (255 avg.) Always have the higher peak (not a ballooning things just higher than needed) I usually need to move the placement of the ball further back in my stance to obtain the flight I would prefer to see.
Again, awesome video. Is there any way to get the launch down on the Max? Would heavier weights or hot melt get the launch lower? How about a low launching shaft to pair it with?
Thanks as always for another interesting and informative video. Please keep them coming!
Biggest difference would come from setting it to the lowest loft setting
Thought this would address what to fix in the swing. Was fitted for a driver and hit it great. I changed something in the swing and now it towers.
I have a slow swing speed and hit it high most of the time and sometimes slice. Distance is less than 200. What driver shaft ball combo?
i live in mexico, and really enjoy your videos. Thank you
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Is there any standard to whether adding weight to a driver head would increase/decrease spin?
I feel like I'm gonna be ready for the champions tour after I see you guys in Nov. !!😆💙
Hi guys , I recently got fit for a driver and my 2017 m2 9.5 was launching between 11-12 spinning mostly under 2000 and I tried a standard epic 10.5 and it was launching 16-18 , can you explain why launch was so dramatically different for a 1.5 degree loft change
Love this. I have play the epic sub zero and say a noticeable difference when I swapped the weights.
I have the G400Max with Tensi orange. It still launch really high even with more quality shaft. Current it is on 10.5, anything I can do to lower the launch? Can't afford new driver especially after purchased new shaft ha
I really needed to see this! Time to get fit for a driver!
Thanks guys. Love the vids!
You guys are frickin brilliant I am learning so much with your take on golf and it’s seriously fun! Prob call it reverse engineering either way it’s the best and super insightful.. keep at it
I haven't watched this video yet, but I had a long session on a monitor yesterday with a club head speed average of 108 but 3500 rpm spin, carry average of 245. Seemed a bit short to me and the timing of this video is as ironic but awesome.
I'm at least playing in the fairway now hahaha. I'm not buying another club yet till I get a chance at the new Srixon line. Playing the G400 Max now.
I'm using C Taper 120 stiff shaft on my irons and I'm having the same problem? My shots are going to high and I'm losing distance need help