@Lucas Not Here I mean not really. The run was not really 100% perfect. TAS is the hypothetical fastest run. Tho this run is definitely almost fully perfect and optimized.
Wow! I'm glad Fireborn shouted you out. Although I'm not really interested in doing speedruns, it's incredibly fascinating to see runners come up and try out different routes and strategies.
I GASPED when koschei did the spell pogo in isma's room, i feel like that simplified the difficulty of the whole sequence there- the run seems actually viable!
I think it is viable. Northirn said the skip before with the hwurmp is probably doable and I am pretty sure that one can get the stall ball quite consistent, because it is not hard to an extent where it is just random. Also iirc Yihou is trying that route which makes me pretty confident we will see runs with that route.
Wow, the QGA room without crystal dash takes only 8.72s compared to 8.8s (Pest's run) with crystal dash (albeit charging up again for cDash through next room). From QGA to transition before mantis fight is 26.75s vs 23.32s (with cDash). Really shows how much time this route saves when only looking at 3 rooms cDash already saves 3 secs.
THIS IS SO COOL!!!! I’m so excited to see some runners actually attempt this route 👀 geez I’m excited for silksong but I hope that even after it comes out we keep seeing awesome things like this as the runs improve!!!
I think there is an issue: at 5:54 Soul is gained through the room transition which is used on spells in the next room. There are a few other places where this happens but I think that this is the only significant one.
3 hits after the first baldur and 6 in the tall room. We were counting the hits done to ensure the amount of soul had when it needs to be used is possible. (Same with geo)
One third of the soul meter have been obtained at the end of mount, in that vertical climb they actually only need to get 2/3 of the soul meter which they did.
If you want a good look at how all the soul works out, you can see the spreadsheet linked in the description. If there's any inconsistencies you spot despite that, let us know.
Oh I was waiting for this so much. And it is really quite interesting that Isma’s Route is faster than Any% Mag was truly a legend Also that Elder Baldur kill was just 🤌🤌
Someone should make a TAS for this run and compare it to the standard route any% TAS to see which route is faster. Very impressive run though, so many incredible players in this video!
Interesting. I saw the idea for this route a while ago (before stall ball). It was considered unrealistic with a large rng component (needing the whermps to spawn in the perfect location) and it also required full soul, with either of these going wrong = dead run. I always considered it cool and I can't wait for people to start doing it now. With stall ball's introduction though, this finally can be done more reliably by us mere mortals. For those who don't know about it, Moglar5k is the person who came up with the route idea (at age 14!!!) and Fireborn made a video about it. Both links here: Moglar5k channel: ruclips.net/user/magolor9000 Fireborn's video: ruclips.net/video/NsS3X0XwEYg/видео.html (They don't work for some reason, if anyone can get them to work, please let me know how to do it)
Has a route been considered like in Any% Steel Soul where you grab tram pass? It would skip the trek from Ancestral Mound to Dream Nail as well as Queen's Gardens but would add in more Deepnest and going to Dream Nail through the right side of city. You could use the bottom tram as a S+Q spot to grab Monarch Wings, then Isma's, then Dream Nail and then Herrah which would be nicer for real runs because you do the skips earlier
I have some questions 1. Why do speedrunners upslash the “walls” in king’s pass but this segmented run doesn’t? Does it make a difference when you upslash? 2. Why do speedrunners fall in the dream nail room in the dream realm but this segmented run doesn’t?
you can randomly get a soft-fall from that breakable platform but it’s rng so most speedrunners go for consistency and upslash the ceiling and land on the platform slightly before
@@Firefly256 with a lot of breakable objects such as the first planks in the ancestral mound (at around 4:45), if you slash the nail while you are out of range of the object and then walk into the object while the nail hitbox is still out, you will break the object without receiving the knockback. Some other people are saying that there is no knockback on cp kings pass so idk, that's how it works in ancestral mound though.
It’s any% NMG current patch/1.4.3.2+ as it is though. Certain people are already trying to practice/do runs (Yihou is the name I always hear but there are maybe a few more)
The general route (ismas + wings instead of cdash) is already followed in Save Myla% (Category extensions). No stallball runs as of yet tho. Edit: Oh, the wr doesn't even go for the child prodigy skips, they just go take the casual route to get ismas.
It's definitely possible. Especially because in a run most likely you will probably go for the 3 fireball Mag Ismas (with another fireball on the bottom), which makes it quite a bit easier. Although it still requires lots of practice. And the basin stall ball is actually not that bad
With this route, as long as you pull It of the ismas tear, you Will make a faster time if you don't die in a bossfight ( most likely sealed vessel and watcher Knights ) Edit: even if you do a 2 cycle uumuu, your time is more likely to be better, also, i'm not someone Who take part of this project, i'm just a random YT user
@@waffthewaffle Two cycle Uumuu is not just hard, it’s completely rng since you need uumuu to do a certain pattern of attacks to get them in the right position to do enough damage. In fact it’s difficult enough that most people thought that with shaman stone vengeful spirit you would need a nail upgrade to two cycle, so the any% NMG route originally got one, until monstahler (iirc) showed a video of them doing it without and then from then on people lost time to getting bad rng that made two cycles impossible.
@@waffthewaffle yeah, us more likely that they Will not lose time, but, at the end of the day we are humans, and you might make some mistakes, but now, i think that they Will not die in the bossfight, now, they have the wings, which allows more mobility, making soo mach easier Dodge the Slash attacks
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that's pretty fast
yes
@Lucas Not Here I mean not really. The run was not really 100% perfect. TAS is the hypothetical fastest run. Tho this run is definitely almost fully perfect and optimized.
Can you make a tutorial on how to execute that baldur kill at 5:12, that's so impressive
I'm pretty sure my friend Dave did that in 4 minutes
Every runner who contributed to this (and me 😏), absolutely incredible job. Everyone did fantastic. Can’t wait for people to actually try it.
Wow, what a welcome surprise. Didn't expect to see you here.
11:39 best part of the video
obama gives himself medal
30:10 what a sick QGA :O
But in all seriousness, this was great, can't wait to see the crazy people actually running this route!
Queen's Garden Acid Skip Skip
The isma's tear skip with stall ball is actually way more impressive than the normal skip cause it does not look hard (but it is lol)
it’s quite difficult lol
is it more impressive than the normal nail turnaround skip though?
Wow super impressive work by all of these runners, especially that clip at 6:37
a little biased maybe?
No it couldn't be. this is the internet when are people ever sarcastic
walking simulator :wc2:
It was truly one of the clips in this video
@@Iamverykarpy i'll have you know i put a lot of effort into that soul collection this room took me 27 hours to get this optimal
This speedrun sequence breaks so hard that Quierlle decides to take back breaking the seal on Monomon
That dream nail quick fall at 20:13 is amazing. I didn't even know that was possible!
Wow! I'm glad Fireborn shouted you out. Although I'm not really interested in doing speedruns, it's incredibly fascinating to see runners come up and try out different routes and strategies.
Fire owl's server do be gaming
I GASPED when koschei did the spell pogo in isma's room, i feel like that simplified the difficulty of the whole sequence there- the run seems actually viable!
it still looks pretty hard...
@@esoessify at least you don't have to do 4 consecutive fireballs at precise time intervals, that's just hell
I think it is viable. Northirn said the skip before with the hwurmp is probably doable and I am pretty sure that one can get the stall ball quite consistent, because it is not hard to an extent where it is just random. Also iirc Yihou is trying that route which makes me pretty confident we will see runs with that route.
Its viable, and for current patch NMG, its better than the cdash route, this segmented run is faster than the current patch NMG segmented run
@@TuanAnhNguyen-en9bx or alternaviely, 3 and a nail turnaround
Wow, the QGA room without crystal dash takes only 8.72s compared to 8.8s (Pest's run) with crystal dash (albeit charging up again for cDash through next room). From QGA to transition before mantis fight is 26.75s vs 23.32s (with cDash). Really shows how much time this route saves when only looking at 3 rooms cDash already saves 3 secs.
37:00 I have just realised that when the hk explodes, it shows the figure of the radiance
Another cool detail is that the sun in the background of the dreamer area rises according to how many you've killed!
this run went from near impossible to managable in just a few days and i'm very much here for it.
was looking forward to it. everybody did an incredible job. this really shows how much hollow knight community can when it tries.
17:52 HE DID THE THING HE DID THE THING
Wow! Who would have thought that the author of The Art of War has Hollow Knight room comsobs!
hk speedrunning is sick
-sun tzu, art of war
@@FIREOWLHK Wiser words have never been spoken
People are always talking about that book, but I really wish more people recognized me for my gaming skills
@@suntzu4648
"People are always talking about that book, but I really wish more people recognized me for my gaming skills"
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
"Slash at big jellyfish, for there will be no consequences."
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War (and speedrunning flex @26:48 and @30:06)
Awesome to finally see everyone's work come together! Still hadn't seen half the segments until now. Now someone just has to do it in one run!
That was such a cool project. Enjoyed it a lot, thanks for making it
Thank you for all the hard work of the runners and of Fire Owl for compiling everything
7:51 best part of this route is zote dies
Congratulations and nice work to everyone who contributed:)!
this is literally so incredible and exciting, props to everyone involved, you're all amazing‼️
This is insane! props to everyone who made it possible! i can’t wait to see if someone actually does it!!
Yay I’ve been waiting for this run thank you!
This was a very well put together video & run
THIS IS SO COOL!!!! I’m so excited to see some runners actually attempt this route 👀 geez I’m excited for silksong but I hope that even after it comes out we keep seeing awesome things like this as the runs improve!!!
Great job! Just imagine what it would look like if someone actually ran this route. I'm super excited :D
Very good work and insane run as well. Maybe one day a good enough player could pull it off.
you're such a great creator, it's truly a mystery as to why you don't have any more subs!
This is sick and sooo much harder than regular route, glad I follow fireborn or otherwise I would have missed this
The moment we've been waiting for 😍
i know this is a segmented run but wow this is impessive! good job to all those who helped and helped make this video
I just started watching and, holy shit I've never seen that baldur strat that is crazy
yeah same here i had to rewind and watch it a few times :)
Quirel be like: "That is a mysterious and interesting egg... wait... what are you doing? WHY IS IT OPENNING?"
Seeing a completely new route being viable for competitive times is genuinely astounding. People are still learning new things about this game.
i really just thought to myself "woah do they do qga with stall ball?" help
omg! what a smooth fireball pogo 17:52
I've been waiting for this route to be the fastest can't wait for someone to get the record
This is so awesome!
Its best video! We are all love you❤
i will be amazed if someone pulls this off all in a single run
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the music sync up at 19:46 is so satisfying
doings gods work o7
I think there is an issue: at 5:54 Soul is gained through the room transition which is used on spells in the next room. There are a few other places where this happens but I think that this is the only significant one.
3 hits after the first baldur and 6 in the tall room. We were counting the hits done to ensure the amount of soul had when it needs to be used is possible. (Same with geo)
One third of the soul meter have been obtained at the end of mount, in that vertical climb they actually only need to get 2/3 of the soul meter which they did.
If you want a good look at how all the soul works out, you can see the spreadsheet linked in the description. If there's any inconsistencies you spot despite that, let us know.
Oh okay that makes sense. Sorry if I came across as rude, I just wanted to point it out in case it was a genuine issue :)
@@anhuynhpc The final 1/3rd of soul was used on the fireball skip later in that room so it was used.
Never seen those elder baldur kills before
Very cool
im sorry but WHAT is this?!, ive never seen anything like this before and just.... wow
21:00
Now we just need to see someone pull out a current patch world record using this run
mag would be proud :)
that’s hwurp skip was crazy omg
What a crazy hollow knight split, so many dash multi hits
Oh I was waiting for this so much. And it is really quite interesting that Isma’s Route is faster than Any%
Mag was truly a legend
Also that Elder Baldur kill was just 🤌🤌
I feel like it's only a question of time before someone does an actual run with this route
Bro this actually seems viable!
Someone should make a TAS for this run and compare it to the standard route any% TAS to see which route is faster.
Very impressive run though, so many incredible players in this video!
Great job ya'll
I love it ❤️
It’s really just all the stalballs that cement this route as *really fucking hard* for me
Interesting. I saw the idea for this route a while ago (before stall ball). It was considered unrealistic with a large rng component (needing the whermps to spawn in the perfect location) and it also required full soul, with either of these going wrong = dead run. I always considered it cool and I can't wait for people to start doing it now. With stall ball's introduction though, this finally can be done more reliably by us mere mortals.
For those who don't know about it, Moglar5k is the person who came up with the route idea (at age 14!!!) and Fireborn made a video about it.
Both links here:
Moglar5k channel: ruclips.net/user/magolor9000
Fireborn's video: ruclips.net/video/NsS3X0XwEYg/видео.html
(They don't work for some reason, if anyone can get them to work, please let me know how to do it)
Love how the amount of geo jumps all over the place 🤣
2 things:
1. Why is this youtube channel in my subscription feed when I am not subscribed to them?
2. Nice video.
Probably because you are subbed to fireborn who posted the video in his community post
The person who did Ancestreal Mound is cracked. He didnt even use a fourth fireball for the baulder!
that’s daanolav, the same person that discovered stallball!
@@FIREOWLHK Nice.
5:16 I didn't know that was a thing lol
i have to say, really cool
ITS HERE
5:33 this man got a lot of feo (nice)
Myla saved
Let's see what Stall Ball let's us do. :)
Hurrah!
Omg the ball was stalled
5:13 the sync with the music....
Honestly fully optimized might actually be viable
Might be a typo but the time goes from 2:18 to 3:07 back down to 2:30, then 3:07 again leading up to and through false knight.
yeah those two numbers are supposed to be flipped, small editing mistake
@@FIREOWLHK Gotcha. I figured it was flipped until I saw the two 3:07s and got confused. Cool project though!
Thank you, super fascinating :D Noob question: why was it not possible in this route to flip the spire-switch (16:23) from underneath?
that trick only works in 1221
@@FIREOWLHK Ah, thank you!
Has a route been considered like in Any% Steel Soul where you grab tram pass? It would skip the trek from Ancestral Mound to Dream Nail as well as Queen's Gardens but would add in more Deepnest and going to Dream Nail through the right side of city. You could use the bottom tram as a S+Q spot to grab Monarch Wings, then Isma's, then Dream Nail and then Herrah which would be nicer for real runs because you do the skips earlier
yep, check out the speedrun.com boards
this was timed and ended up being 1-2 minutes slower
you added music post?
also, this is great
i did
I have some questions
1. Why do speedrunners upslash the “walls” in king’s pass but this segmented run doesn’t? Does it make a difference when you upslash?
2. Why do speedrunners fall in the dream nail room in the dream realm but this segmented run doesn’t?
you can randomly get a soft-fall from that breakable platform but it’s rng so most speedrunners go for consistency and upslash the ceiling and land on the platform slightly before
@@FIREOWLHK no I meant the breakable walls at the very start
In current patch you don’t get knockback from side slashing the walls, in 1221 (the main speedrun patch) you do get knockback.
Also falling in the dream realm is faster in 1221 but not faster current patch
@@Firefly256 with a lot of breakable objects such as the first planks in the ancestral mound (at around 4:45), if you slash the nail while you are out of range of the object and then walk into the object while the nail hitbox is still out, you will break the object without receiving the knockback. Some other people are saying that there is no knockback on cp kings pass so idk, that's how it works in ancestral mound though.
34:47 - Time travelling quirrel?
Amazing work. Would the Geo routing after Herra actually work out to unlock the Stag?
all the geo and soul has been accounted for
Hard route it takes lots of grinds and trainings
imma try this maybe
After killing hornet, they save warp back to the bench at ancestral mound -- does that bench get set by default without first using it?
yes
I so want this to be a thing. At least fo a specific category.
It’s any% NMG current patch/1.4.3.2+ as it is though. Certain people are already trying to practice/do runs (Yihou is the name I always hear but there are maybe a few more)
The general route (ismas + wings instead of cdash) is already followed in Save Myla% (Category extensions). No stallball runs as of yet tho.
Edit: Oh, the wr doesn't even go for the child prodigy skips, they just go take the casual route to get ismas.
wait cause of stall ball, if you get claw and dash, then do you still need to shade skip to blue lake or can you stall ball pogo up the curved ledge?
theres no diagonal wall there unfortunately
Damn that QGA skip is insane.
stall ball pogos seem insane - is this really possible? wow
It's definitely possible. Especially because in a run most likely you will probably go for the 3 fireball Mag Ismas (with another fireball on the bottom), which makes it quite a bit easier. Although it still requires lots of practice. And the basin stall ball is actually not that bad
isma more like lginma:rofl v
I was so confuse when i see the timer isn’t going up
biiig time save discovered, just don't start livesplit
@@malte3756 Bigger time save discovered: don't download the timer in the first place.
@@bell2023 don't even play the game, just watch a video of the credits
I’m a little confused as to what is going on in the room just before Isma’s Tear. Especially with the random damage tank into the top right hwurmp
luring it into the right position to pogo after the damage warp
@@Double-Negative yes, but what about the other damage tank that happens after that?
The one at 20:55
@@leek8656 you need invincibility frames to go through the bottom hwurmp once it's in place, so take damage to get the frames
@@calvindang7291 Oh got it, thanks!
:TRANSFGO:
its definitely possible i missed a geo somewhere but i only saw 219 geo get picked up before salubra
you missed some geo. check the spreadsheet linked in the description
Any tips for watcher knights? I played a few runs with any% NMG and I can’t get past them, even tho I can get to them in 1 hour, I’m stuck
It's showing the wrong time at 3:06
oops, that room is supposed to be 2:30.11 and the one after is supposed to be 3:07.49
34:48
how did quirrel get that mask back hmmmmmmmmmmmmm????!!!
run invalid 0/10
Was the lever skip at 13:24 allowed? From my understanding this route is only possible in a 1.4 patch to do the stallball
yes that works in current patch
Why is Quirrel still at the egg? What causes him to leave the egg in the game normally? (Aside from beating false knight)
that was a glitch iirc
@@FIREOWLHK Ah interesting
I believe it is because the runner used debug mod to get the dreamers immediately instead of doing the whole run in sequence.
@@quananhmai5701 ah
At 5:52 they enter the enter the room at 2/3 soul, but come out with full soul, so wouldnt this be inaccurate?
they also leave mound with 1/3
So overall, with one human runner, do you think this will be faster than the current any% route?
definitely
With this route, as long as you pull It of the ismas tear, you Will make a faster time if you don't die in a bossfight ( most likely sealed vessel and watcher Knights )
Edit: even if you do a 2 cycle uumuu, your time is more likely to be better, also, i'm not someone Who take part of this project, i'm just a random YT user
@@jajasking9652 I don’t think runners will lose time on bossfights. They’ve been doing this for years. Maybe they’ll lose time on the fireball pogos
@@waffthewaffle Two cycle Uumuu is not just hard, it’s completely rng since you need uumuu to do a certain pattern of attacks to get them in the right position to do enough damage. In fact it’s difficult enough that most people thought that with shaman stone vengeful spirit you would need a nail upgrade to two cycle, so the any% NMG route originally got one, until monstahler (iirc) showed a video of them doing it without and then from then on people lost time to getting bad rng that made two cycles impossible.
@@waffthewaffle yeah, us more likely that they Will not lose time, but, at the end of the day we are humans, and you might make some mistakes, but now, i think that they Will not die in the bossfight, now, they have the wings, which allows more mobility, making soo mach easier Dodge the Slash attacks
So you are telling me that, if this route got to be implemented and a runner would perform this, it would beat actual WR?
absolutely
In 23:03 we can see a vengeful spirit sloping on a parry. Correct me if I'm wrong, also, would be that useful?
The run is top tier btw
im not quite seeing what you are seeing