You overlooked one MAJOR detail - the Neon Annihilator makes actual bass guitar noises when you taunt, which singlehandedly raises the fun factor from 1 to 3 out of 10
Whenever a sniper or scout has their liquid secondaries equipped, I make sure to airblast them back and pull out my neon annihilator. They never see it coming.
@@rivy-lurk-869 lol i've had that as a staple joke for over a year. whenever i say or someone else says "never see it coming" (or a variety of it) online, i always reply with that violin joke
Fun fact: The actual reason why the Gas Passer's gas doesn't make foes wet is specifically because Valve didn't want it to combo with the Neon Annihilator
The neon annihilator needs a +25% speedboost in water and also the gas passer needs to count as being wet because no way jarate bushwaka can exist but gas passer neon annihilator cant.
25% speed boost when wet would be better in my opinion. Even if you weren’t using the neon to pyro shark, you could douse yourself in gas and run down opponents.
@@mrlampy Altho, thinking about it, that might become an even more broken version of jarate bushwacka. If you could dowse both you and your enemy you would have a 25% speed boost and crits for 5 seconds, with afterburn (or whatever the gass passer did now because if they edited the neon annihilator they would change the gas too). Just the crits is enough just the j b combo to be broken. On the other hand it would be less spammable and be on a class already good at long range.
I think it would be interesting if the Neon and Third Degree shared stats, where they both crit wet players, took 2 swings to destroy sappers, and hit players connected by medi-beams for a 20% Player damage reduction (ofc leaving random crits) so they would become reskins of each other.
It would actually make ok weapon, but needs some kind of a rework, because putting 2 useless weapons together dosen't make a good weapon, it just makes slightly less useless weapon
The neon Is fun in different maps I usually find a scout or sniper and just follow them and get kills like that or using the pier map and ect it’s fun still stupid how gas passer doesn’t work
After i fight a sweaty frustrating match, sitting in 2fort just make me feel relaxing in a way i cant find doing something else. Thats why i love the neon annihilation
I still think you're nuts if you use the Third Degree more than the Neon Annihilator. Again, having a class that isn't engie being able to remove sappers from sentries just makes it a great utility. Even if there is a BETTER one, that doesn't mean this is automatically worse. That's like saying the Jag is automatically F tier because the gunslinger makes a sentry pop up faster. Again, it is rare that you are in a situation where you can hit a sapper once, but not twice. Sometimes hitting it once is also beneficial, like on teles, where it slows the spy's spam down. The random crit argument is eh, stating that the damage difference negligable and then turning around and ignoring that the neon annihilator can one-shot more often with a stronger and more consistent crit is silly. "Homewrecker is better in EVERY way!" and then immediately says the damage is worse and that it only is better with an optional lootbox setting. "Water is the most common of these liquids" would be a fair argument if water was the only liquid used in TF2. It isn't, snipers and scouts both commonly use secondaries that can cover multiple enemies for a short period of time. And can use it on any map. At any time. At range. From spawn. Over and over. "Oh it doesn't pair with the gas passer!" Nothing pairs with the gas passer, gas passer sucks, that's gas passer's flaw, not annihilators. Try pairing it with the thermal thruster instead. Leap across the map to save a sentry or dive at players who are in water. TL : DR you are a goof and I hope you get hit by a liberty launcher crocket from the only soldier on a team of scorch shot pyros Great vid btw I love your stuff
@@aleflippy1997Nah, it's a pretty good point I do honestly see more consistent use with the Neon for removing Sappers from buildings than the Homer. Seeing as a lot of Engis like hiding their stuff in the water, mini's especially, it actually comes in handy for D too. The Neon isn't a bad weapon, it's just got a serious case of Aquaman Syndrome where its uses and strengths are so specialized one could easily write them off on paper, but in-practice you have the equivalent of medical peppermint oil, super specialized but something you'll be happy to have when it's the specific thing you need.
@@thecactussword4304 still. It would be alright if it was Pyro's only melee weapon. But he has access to a wide array of them, which can be used far more often, in more situations, and with similar results (axtinguisher for the guaranteed dmg boost, homewrecker for the sapper destruction). And that's obviously not talking about the powerjack and the underrated back scratcher. It's not that the Neon Annihilator is UNUSABLE, nor that it can't be fun. But... why would you even pick that?
@@aleflippy1997 In my experience, primarily using the Back Scratcher, Homewrecker, and Neon, all are pretty map-dependant. Like the Back only really becomes useful if you're on a map you can tango around on your own on, with a surplus of health kits to survive in areas you normally wouldn't have a chance in. I don't have a good time with the Back on smaller maps where I need to constantly co-ordinate with my team and generally stay in a smaller area because its upside at that point is a flat damage boost, nothing else. Meanwhile the Homer is a great tool for crushing Minis, providing heavy support for Engie, but it completely stalls on maps not tailored to Engineer whatsoever. In a situation where neither team has an Engineer, I'd say the Homewrecker is even MORE situational than the Neon, as it literally HAS no upside in that case, just doing nerfed damage The Neon by comparison can combo with your Scout and Sniper, two classes my buddies happen to play a lot of. At the end of the day the Neon provides a "fork" of sorts between the Homer and Back, being able to support your team while doing the increased, situational damage and supporting your Engie best you can. I actually don't think the Neon needs a buff so much as the other classes need to catch up and become more mechanically interesting so they can synergize more often. A Mad Milk/Sun on a Stick Scout has a *really* good time with a Scorch Shot/Neon Annihilator Pyro, and I've found the minute-to-minute teamplay the most satisfying part of the game.
Ok but how many people use TF2 weapons to be successful? Sure I don't use the Neon Annihilator much, but when I'm playing on 2Fort and I get bored harassing snipers with the Loose Cannon, I'll swap to pyroshark and murk some engies trying to build a sewer base. Plus, even if you don't want to airblast people into the sewers to follow it up with a sick detonator jump into toaster bath combo, you can still just pester them with a flare gun or shotgun to get them to follow you. Where else do people go when they're on fire? Neon Annihilator is good in the same way that the Market Gardener, Caber, Loose Cannon, and to a certain extent, spy as a class is. Getting lé funny kill on a gibbus pyro coming out of spawn after you do a 20 minute chain jump around Hightower is the same sort of fun as airblasting a medic into the water and introducing him to the power of the electron.
Idea: What if the neon annihilator gave pyro a speed boost while wet and if you swing it while wet you'll slosh the wetness status effect off of yourself and on to nearby enemies. This would give it some utility by allowing the pyro to get rid of debuffs while also giving the pyro some way to set people up for crits. You could walk through a puddle to get yourself wet then slosh that water at an enemy within 5 seconds of leaving the puddle then crit them even if they never touched the water. Would make it much better at taking advantage of smaller bodies of water like the stream on swift water.
@@watema3381 it's always going to be gimmicky. Nearly all of TF2s funnest weapons are gimmicks. The point is making its gimmick more flexible and useful.
Instead of judging the efficiency of the neon annihilator in general, I would judge it when you would actually use it, which is in good water maps. You rate it it in general and not when someone would actually equip it
agreed, I think it's a fun situational gimmick weapon and can come in handy if you don't have a shotgun and are on a map with lots of water like 2fort and if you see a building being sapped, you can unsap it. that already makes it so much better than stock and third degree, probably better than axtinguisher too which is now pretty much a gimmick in itself
@@ThyBigCheddar 1 this is about judging the neon vs other melees 2 in water the neon can kill in seconds compared to the flame thrower taking more time and being negatable with milk piss health packs or just items that reduce fire damage
@@guardedcobalt276 You also have be in melee range with the neon annihilator while in water, the flamethrower can hit from much further away without giving the enemy a chance to melee you and you can barley use it anyway on the few maps with water. Every other pyro melee also outclasses it anyway.
"TF2's Lamest Melee" Welp, that's so disagreeable that I'm going to list every example to the contrary: Stock bat, unarmed combat, sandman, boston basher, sun-on-a-stick, stock shovel, equalizer, stock fire axe, sharpened volcano fragment, third degree, hot hand, ullapool caber, stock fists, warrior's spirit, eviction notice, stock bonesaw, vita-saw, and the stock kukri.
I don't see the point in bringing stock weapons into this, they are the objective base to the unlocks, of course they have no significant change. plus, every other weapon you listed can still be used for memes, the neon doesn't really have that much meme material besides "haha 2fort pyroshark!!!" or "haha piss pyro!!"
I got 237 kills on my stock bat, that weapon is outclassed by many others but Its still more reliable than the neón, the diference is that the stock bat has use om any other map that isn't 2fort, while the neón doesn't.
I could imagine a steam-based primary for the pyro, with reduced afterburn effectiveness, but the secondary fire would hose water out - extinguish teammates, and make enemies wet, but can't reflect projectiles. Unfortunately, that won't happen because rip content updates
No matter how situational it is, I think it's a good weapon. I remember me and a friend were messing around in a casual server, and found a broken combo with it. My friend was using the Sydney sleeper, and I was using the neon. Good god is it fun.
It's seriously a force when you combo it with a Mad Milk Scout. Given how the guy's basically always gonna be dousing at least one person with Milk at pretty much all times, you can score a ridiculous amount of kills with the Neon no problem.
@@Succer I’m just saying that it should be useful for other stuff then just crit in the water. Honestly, something skin to the powerjak in terms of what it does for Pyro or even the homewrecker.
@@metalsilver7718 That is pretty much the point of the weapon; it’s scenario specific. It’s not supposed to be worn at all times, much as you don’t equip the Pain Train on Defense. In the Neon Annihilator’s case it works best when playing around and in water areas.
I remember coming up with an idea for a pyro primary that's a water hose that acts like an airblast, and I think it something like that would make this weapon a lot more fun.
Maybe it would be more fun if you ran around the sewers instead of camping in one place, baiting people to follow you to a spot where you can easily get a crit on them. Or just having the weapon in your loadout and playing normally, using it sparingly when the right opportunity arises (this thing can still destroy sappers) Also you don't have to wait for your own sniper to douse someone, just reflect an enemy's jarate/mad milk back at them and use the real bushwacka!
Unsub, now when you become based I'll come back. "Geez Louis I haven't seen a take this bad since when Great Blue said the force of nature wasn't fun to use."
This weapon may actually be genius design Giving Pyro, the class that makes people run to water, a weapon to do more damage to them when they're wet like, in theory, this weapon is incredibly interesting. Its the maps that are to blame.
5:53 "Not to mention how boring using the Neon Annihilator is" I main Medic (so my credibility just plummeted given what I'm trying to say) but even I can tell that sitting in the sewer, only using the Neon Annihilator, _literally just waiting_ for someone to come to you is nowhere near close to a fun play-style. It's by _no means_ a practical weapon, but 'Fun Factor' can't be objectively measured if you're forcing yourself to use the weapon. The way I see it, the Neon Annihilator is for people with gambling addictions. It's not useful in the average match, but it completely removes one of Pyro's weaknesses, and when someone slips up in the right spot, it's one of the most satisfying weapons to connect with. If you absolutely _need_ consistency when you pick your weapons, an easy way to get someone to flank in the water is to just beat the crap out of them on land and make a big show of the fact that you aren't running the Neon Annihilator as your melee. When they decide to flank through the water, switch to the Neon Annihilator and find a close spot to catch them off guard. Contrary to popular belief, you _can_ play with more than one melee weapon per match of TF2. Switch off when they get wise or when it stops being fun for you.
I would also like to point out, with the Gas Passer argument, that if- IF- their reason for excluding the Gas Passer was scientifically based in the fact that gasoline is a poor electric conductor (which I DON'T think it was given the fact that the Gas Passer can extinguish teammates), then they're also totally ignoring the fact that IT'S A LIVE SPARK AROUND A FLAMABLE LIQUID. Gaben fucking forbid they give the Gas Passer any legitimate use outside of MvM but like, at least have it do mini-crits or SOMETHING.
The neon annihilator. As a pyro main I'll never understand the game design decision to make it not combo with the gas passer. It's fun to use it in pier since it's basically the only map that really has water on it. I would still rank it uper than the position you put it but I can't change a single argument you made on it. Nice video video as always.
if only the gas passer counted enemies as wet. Then all of the endangered pyro sharks stuck in the sewers could branch out and become land-based menaces
I'm pretty sure that engineer wanted his minisentry destroyed so he could easily place another in a better space. Now he needs a few more button presses.
I find neon annihilator kind of fun actually. Maybe it's because I usually either flank and don't use melee much or because my second main subclass for pyro is pybro...
"DUHHHH GASOLINE ISN'T CONDUCTIVE" 2 weeks ago a guy on a motorcycle in Arkansas got set on fire by police after they tased him and the prongs hit his backpack which had a gasoline container inside
This is single handedly one of the most fun weapons in the game, if you pybro with this and convince your sniper to go with jarate (seeing as it's a great secondary) you can also chase your scout that might have mad milk (seeing as how it's also great) and tag team people with him, and the point about people not coming back to you in the sewers is only applicable to people who don't play 2fort 24/7, I have had the same people in many lobbies run directly into me multiple times and when you dom them it only makes them come back more, you can also change your positioning to trick people hunting you, basically if no water then tag team with your sniper(s) and engi but stick to your sniper more, if you wish to have more action tag team with your scout, if you wish to be a chad just go in with no way to make players wet and smack them for funny kill, there is no way this weapon is not fun and the wacky ways you can find to get people into the water makes up for the impracticality of this weapon
Wow. To put it bluntly, thewhat takes YET ANOTHER SELF INFLICTED L! Not only was he wrong about the fun level of the neon annihilator, he was also wrong when he said that I cant tell ladies about my BIONICLE collection in tf2. I have yet to go a day without mercilessly hunting down women in tf2, jumping server to server, just waiting for my moment to corner an unsuspecting female, only to UNLEASH a torrential stream of set 1 and 2 mask lore knowledge. What a foolish set of takes from a foolish boy.
Add a water balloon gun weapon that functions like a flare gun, only it makes players wet, does low damage, but can extinguish players from across the map.
At first I thought you were wrong, but the problem with the neon is that even in deep water, you can never close the gap before dying. But I do enjoy the waiting for the prey to wander into my domain. I hope someone creates a map that’s shark viable. Edit: also the sapper removal helps with living with nearby engies, as they can give you underwater dispensers and you can protect their nests.
I thought of a great strategy where a sniper uses the sydney sleeper to coat an enemy from across the map and then a neon annihilator pyro crits them to death but then I remembered that headshots exist
enimies will usually jump into water to escape your flames thats when the neon annihilator really comes into play. also, even on maps with no water, the jarate and mad milk still exist, and if you have a friend playing sniper or scout, this can be pretty easy i guess you just cant do that part beacause clearly you have no friends. how sad.
What annoys me about it the most is that water environment should be by design a contra to the pyro, not make it easier for them to kill you. Like yeah there ain't many places with water but still it's intuitive to avoid the dude with a flamethrower underwater
@@Small_child_punter even that depends, if you backtrack purely because there was backlash, then yea I'd agree but the backlash may actually have a good point to make
@@CAMSLAYER13 it’s not a matter of the backlash having a point. It’s a matter of changing your opinion just because it’s unpopular. Unless you believe you’re wrong, stick to your guns.
I'm still going to use The Neon Annihilator I just think it's neat to how it breaks and it plays the bass and i can help engy guns but most of all I just think neon signs are just neat
Mate calls a weapon that can 1-shot medium classes the "Lamest" meanwhile Stock and The Sharpened Vulcano Fragment in the corner are happy they are not being laughed at again
Stock fireaxe and Sharpened Volcano fragment can get 1-hit kills more consistently thanks to random crits (15-60% chance for melee weapons). You are literally better off just running at people swinging the stock axe than praying people step into the water.
@@AnglosArentHuman Or you can just focus your game on luring/airblasting (it's a function) into water and get a guaranteed crit instead of the 15% chance, which is more consistent and probably better in the long run. If a map doesn't have big water areas, isn't 2fort, well, or any other map that contains large amounts of water filled area, just use other weapons. If you have a way to 1-shot most of the classes with so little effort, then this is hands down one of the better melee weapons made for combat.
@@badluck7286 or... You could use the extinguisher that can (mini) crit people standing on ground and using airblast to Connect the melee hit instead of flinging your enemies on water, where you are in a disadvantage most of the time
@@venezuela547 You could, but most newer (0-450h) find it hard to combo (haven't discovered button weapon switch) and prefer a simplier way. And I think axetinguisher still doesn't 1-shot medium classes, may be wrong. Mini crit was 2x the damage, right?
I give it a 10/10 fun factor because once on 2fort there was an annoying lime scout who was dominating me, and next time he ran at me, I airblasted him into the sewers and then market gardened him with the crit as I jumped in after. Thats why now I own a strange professional killstreak neon annihilator
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No matter what
Can we agree "Neon annihilator" is a fucking great name
Neon annihilator is something I use like 9/10ths of the time because it removes sappers like the homewrecker but deals more damage to players
@@Brass319 tbf the difference is 3
@@f.b.iagent3971 which, coincidentally, breaks 3 of the funniest thresholds in the game
@@Brass319 off the top of my head, the only damage threshold it would pass is being able to 2 shot big earner spies
@@switZ7Q medic. soldier. heavy.
the funny thresholds
also it's a straight upgrade cuz of the kill effect and bonus guitar sounds
You overlooked one MAJOR detail - the Neon Annihilator makes actual bass guitar noises when you taunt, which singlehandedly raises the fun factor from 1 to 3 out of 10
Just play the 3rd degree.
Same guitar, as niche, but 0 downsides and not outclassed for it's upsides so you can get out of those damn sewers.
@@gglanouille3060 no, I like the neon annihilator more. it sounds cooler, which makes it instantly cooler than 3rd degree because why not
The third degree sounds cooler and one shotting a medic via random critting the heavy he is pocketing will always be more satisfying
Bass guiter
@@gglanouille3060you like guitar, I like bass
"Water is easily the most common way to get people wet in TF2"
*stares in 400 quadrillion gallons of Jarate thrown a week*
Unfortonatly pyro doesn't have his own jarate...*gas passer dies*
Nah I think scout might disagree and go with "a bucket of chicken"
@@thunderspark1536 Have you ever heard of this thing called *airblast*
@@pantuternik It autocorrected twice to karate lol
@@thunderspark1536 can't piss through the suit?
Whenever a sniper or scout has their liquid secondaries equipped, I make sure to airblast them back and pull out my neon annihilator. They never see it coming.
Sydney Sleeper time
This guy: _sees an enemy with these conditions_
The enemy: Why do i hear violins doing repeated downward half-scales?
@@TheRedInkling >Joker pfp
Aight, checks out xD
@@rivy-lurk-869 lol i've had that as a staple joke for over a year. whenever i say or someone else says "never see it coming" (or a variety of it) online, i always reply with that violin joke
Teach me, master
Fun fact: The actual reason why the Gas Passer's gas doesn't make foes wet is specifically because Valve didn't want it to combo with the Neon Annihilator
that was the worst idea on earth.
Doesn’t surprise me at all. This the same people who created the dead ringer and scorch shot
That would actually make the gas-passer half-decent.
@@AlexSchmid-TheAceofSpades 5 seconds out of a minute level decent
Do you have a source for this?
Didn't mention CTF Sawmill intel room, the place that singlehandedly brings the fun factor to a 37 out of 10
True...
Anything with ranged damage and/or over 195 health:
@@AlteFore 157*
Imagine if Pyro had a flamethrower that could airblast for free but did no afterburn and did terrible damage at base.
An insane weapon. Would be very stupid.
Ubercharge would be utterly useless against that monster
id try it
Wow you made pyros even more annoying
@@liinnder Anyone who says that airblast is overpowered has never used the shotgun.
this is a certified pyro shark classic
You actually mix valid points with comedy. You are a certified hood classic, TheWhat. You earned as a fellow pyro main myself, I salute you
Hey, Thanks for the like, keep it up bro!
Except one, Annilator has nice alternate guitar taunt tune
@@Kacpa2 yo true
The neon annihilator needs a +25% speedboost in water and also the gas passer needs to count as being wet because no way jarate bushwaka can exist but gas passer neon annihilator cant.
25% speed boost when wet would be better in my opinion. Even if you weren’t using the neon to pyro shark, you could douse yourself in gas and run down opponents.
Truly terrifying@@mrlampy
@@mrlampy maybe even a 40% boost while swimming on top of that, just make pyroshark an actually viable meme, like an aquatic demoknight
@@mattparnall4148 65% speed boost pyro comes charging out of 2fort sewers to nibble on toes. Terrifying
@@mrlampy Altho, thinking about it, that might become an even more broken version of jarate bushwacka. If you could dowse both you and your enemy you would have a 25% speed boost and crits for 5 seconds, with afterburn (or whatever the gass passer did now because if they edited the neon annihilator they would change the gas too). Just the crits is enough just the j b combo to be broken. On the other hand it would be less spammable and be on a class already good at long range.
I think it would be interesting if the Neon and Third Degree shared stats, where they both crit wet players, took 2 swings to destroy sappers, and hit players connected by medi-beams for a 20% Player damage reduction (ofc leaving random crits) so they would become reskins of each other.
It would actually make ok weapon, but needs some kind of a rework, because putting 2 useless weapons together dosen't make a good weapon, it just makes slightly less useless weapon
I like it.
do not nerf the third degree
THE FART OF THE SUBCLASS: pyro shark edition
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what
The vast love for the neon annihilator only proves that too many people play on exclusively 2Fort 💀💀💀
I play 2 fort just to use hot hand.
Don't target me like this. These are my sewers damnit.
The neon Is fun in different maps I usually find a scout or sniper and just follow them and get kills like that or using the pier map and ect it’s fun still stupid how gas passer doesn’t work
Objectively the best map
Neon annihilator is something I use like 9/10ths of the time because it removes sappers like the homewrecker but deals more damage to players
Neon Annihilator+Gas Passer now Viable combo. The Sharks are coming on land.
After i fight a sweaty frustrating match, sitting in 2fort just make me feel relaxing in a way i cant find doing something else. Thats why i love the neon annihilation
Oh behalf of Pyro sharks all of them at once are suing, and don't even try to call saw they alr got that covered
Why would you play pyro shark ? Why wouldn't you just use hot hand?
@@gyroslon3720 hey ask them not me I am just the messager
I still think you're nuts if you use the Third Degree more than the Neon Annihilator.
Again, having a class that isn't engie being able to remove sappers from sentries just makes it a great utility. Even if there is a BETTER one, that doesn't mean this is automatically worse. That's like saying the Jag is automatically F tier because the gunslinger makes a sentry pop up faster. Again, it is rare that you are in a situation where you can hit a sapper once, but not twice. Sometimes hitting it once is also beneficial, like on teles, where it slows the spy's spam down.
The random crit argument is eh, stating that the damage difference negligable and then turning around and ignoring that the neon annihilator can one-shot more often with a stronger and more consistent crit is silly. "Homewrecker is better in EVERY way!" and then immediately says the damage is worse and that it only is better with an optional lootbox setting.
"Water is the most common of these liquids" would be a fair argument if water was the only liquid used in TF2. It isn't, snipers and scouts both commonly use secondaries that can cover multiple enemies for a short period of time. And can use it on any map. At any time. At range. From spawn. Over and over. "Oh it doesn't pair with the gas passer!" Nothing pairs with the gas passer, gas passer sucks, that's gas passer's flaw, not annihilators. Try pairing it with the thermal thruster instead. Leap across the map to save a sentry or dive at players who are in water.
TL : DR you are a goof and I hope you get hit by a liberty launcher crocket from the only soldier on a team of scorch shot pyros
Great vid btw I love your stuff
I ain’t reading allat 🗣🗣🗣
That's some massive amount of copium right there
@@aleflippy1997Nah, it's a pretty good point
I do honestly see more consistent use with the Neon for removing Sappers from buildings than the Homer.
Seeing as a lot of Engis like hiding their stuff in the water, mini's especially, it actually comes in handy for D too.
The Neon isn't a bad weapon, it's just got a serious case of Aquaman Syndrome where its uses and strengths are so specialized one could easily write them off on paper, but in-practice you have the equivalent of medical peppermint oil, super specialized but something you'll be happy to have when it's the specific thing you need.
@@thecactussword4304 still. It would be alright if it was Pyro's only melee weapon. But he has access to a wide array of them, which can be used far more often, in more situations, and with similar results (axtinguisher for the guaranteed dmg boost, homewrecker for the sapper destruction). And that's obviously not talking about the powerjack and the underrated back scratcher.
It's not that the Neon Annihilator is UNUSABLE, nor that it can't be fun. But... why would you even pick that?
@@aleflippy1997 In my experience, primarily using the Back Scratcher, Homewrecker, and Neon, all are pretty map-dependant.
Like the Back only really becomes useful if you're on a map you can tango around on your own on, with a surplus of health kits to survive in areas you normally wouldn't have a chance in. I don't have a good time with the Back on smaller maps where I need to constantly co-ordinate with my team and generally stay in a smaller area because its upside at that point is a flat damage boost, nothing else.
Meanwhile the Homer is a great tool for crushing Minis, providing heavy support for Engie, but it completely stalls on maps not tailored to Engineer whatsoever. In a situation where neither team has an Engineer, I'd say the Homewrecker is even MORE situational than the Neon, as it literally HAS no upside in that case, just doing nerfed damage
The Neon by comparison can combo with your Scout and Sniper, two classes my buddies happen to play a lot of. At the end of the day the Neon provides a "fork" of sorts between the Homer and Back, being able to support your team while doing the increased, situational damage and supporting your Engie best you can.
I actually don't think the Neon needs a buff so much as the other classes need to catch up and become more mechanically interesting so they can synergize more often. A Mad Milk/Sun on a Stick Scout has a *really* good time with a Scorch Shot/Neon Annihilator Pyro, and I've found the minute-to-minute teamplay the most satisfying part of the game.
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Ok but how many people use TF2 weapons to be successful? Sure I don't use the Neon Annihilator much, but when I'm playing on 2Fort and I get bored harassing snipers with the Loose Cannon, I'll swap to pyroshark and murk some engies trying to build a sewer base. Plus, even if you don't want to airblast people into the sewers to follow it up with a sick detonator jump into toaster bath combo, you can still just pester them with a flare gun or shotgun to get them to follow you. Where else do people go when they're on fire? Neon Annihilator is good in the same way that the Market Gardener, Caber, Loose Cannon, and to a certain extent, spy as a class is. Getting lé funny kill on a gibbus pyro coming out of spawn after you do a 20 minute chain jump around Hightower is the same sort of fun as airblasting a medic into the water and introducing him to the power of the electron.
Idea: What if the neon annihilator gave pyro a speed boost while wet and if you swing it while wet you'll slosh the wetness status effect off of yourself and on to nearby enemies. This would give it some utility by allowing the pyro to get rid of debuffs while also giving the pyro some way to set people up for crits. You could walk through a puddle to get yourself wet then slosh that water at an enemy within 5 seconds of leaving the puddle then crit them even if they never touched the water. Would make it much better at taking advantage of smaller bodies of water like the stream on swift water.
It would turn a gimmicky weapon into an even more gimmicky weapon
@@watema3381 it's always going to be gimmicky. Nearly all of TF2s funnest weapons are gimmicks. The point is making its gimmick more flexible and useful.
Instead of judging the efficiency of the neon annihilator in general, I would judge it when you would actually use it, which is in good water maps. You rate it it in general and not when someone would actually equip it
I agree, trying to use a gimmicky weapon where not even valve intended for you to use it is not very smart
agreed, I think it's a fun situational gimmick weapon and can come in handy if you don't have a shotgun and are on a map with lots of water like 2fort
and if you see a building being sapped, you can unsap it. that already makes it so much better than stock and third degree, probably better than axtinguisher too which is now pretty much a gimmick in itself
He did, he said how in most water Maps the flamethrower was better.
@@ThyBigCheddar 1 this is about judging the neon vs other melees 2 in water the neon can kill in seconds compared to the flame thrower taking more time and being negatable with milk piss health packs or just items that reduce fire damage
@@guardedcobalt276 You also have be in melee range with the neon annihilator while in water, the flamethrower can hit from much further away without giving the enemy a chance to melee you and you can barley use it anyway on the few maps with water. Every other pyro melee also outclasses it anyway.
"TF2's Lamest Melee"
Welp, that's so disagreeable that I'm going to list every example to the contrary: Stock bat, unarmed combat, sandman, boston basher, sun-on-a-stick, stock shovel, equalizer, stock fire axe, sharpened volcano fragment, third degree, hot hand, ullapool caber, stock fists, warrior's spirit, eviction notice, stock bonesaw, vita-saw, and the stock kukri.
Hot hand is the best weapon in tf2. I will show you the what and dr bright, I will show you all. I will!!!!!!!!!!?!!!!!!!!
Ullapool Caber is very fun
Ullapool Caber is bullshit, but at least it's very funny bullshit.
I don't see the point in bringing stock weapons into this, they are the objective base to the unlocks, of course they have no significant change.
plus, every other weapon you listed can still be used for memes, the neon doesn't really have that much meme material besides "haha 2fort pyroshark!!!" or "haha piss pyro!!"
I got 237 kills on my stock bat, that weapon is outclassed by many others but Its still more reliable than the neón, the diference is that the stock bat has use om any other map that isn't 2fort, while the neón doesn't.
aged well
6:34 HOLY SHIT IM IN THIS VIDEO! THATS ME!
I could imagine a steam-based primary for the pyro, with reduced afterburn effectiveness, but the secondary fire would hose water out - extinguish teammates, and make enemies wet, but can't reflect projectiles. Unfortunately, that won't happen because rip content updates
2/10. The gas passer finally counts as wet.
No matter how situational it is, I think it's a good weapon. I remember me and a friend were messing around in a casual server, and found a broken combo with it. My friend was using the Sydney sleeper, and I was using the neon. Good god is it fun.
Neon annihilator is something I use like 9/10ths of the time because it removes sappers like the homewrecker but deals more damage to players
It's seriously a force when you combo it with a Mad Milk Scout. Given how the guy's basically always gonna be dousing at least one person with Milk at pretty much all times, you can score a ridiculous amount of kills with the Neon no problem.
"Fixed the Neon Annihilator not getting crit-attacks when hitting players covered with gas" omg TheWhat you made the new update
the gas passer and neon combo got fixed!
6:22 wow thank you for being so kind to your fans thewhat
This man has clearly died to one-too many pyro sharks
players doused in gas now count for crits
Surprise George Lopez has seriously untapped meme potential.
This is a great video, I personally like using the weapon, but I do agree… why is it restricted to water? Eh, I still have fun with it. Good video.
What do you mean why is it restricted to water. You want it to crit at all times?
@@Succer I’m just saying that it should be useful for other stuff then just crit in the water. Honestly, something skin to the powerjak in terms of what it does for Pyro or even the homewrecker.
@@metalsilver7718 Did you just say you wish the only other pyro weapon that damages sappers… could have utility like the homewrecker?
@@metalsilver7718 That is pretty much the point of the weapon; it’s scenario specific. It’s not supposed to be worn at all times, much as you don’t equip the Pain Train on Defense. In the Neon Annihilator’s case it works best when playing around and in water areas.
@@iLoveMajima I bet they legit do not know that it damages sappers
0:04 the " OoOOOoE. " was personal
I love the Homewrecker and Neon Annihilator for one reason, removing sappers. And its not because I love Engineers; but because I hate the french
Fear is when you walk the 2fort sewers and see a pyro jumping at you at 200mph
I remember coming up with an idea for a pyro primary that's a water hose that acts like an airblast, and I think it something like that would make this weapon a lot more fun.
literally everyone and their moms pitches the idea of a pyro weapon that shoots water/ice
@@DFFilmmaker I didn't know that. At least It seems like it's a pretty good idea if so many people come up with it
@@DFFilmmaker okay but drg cryo cannon would be a cool heavy primary
@@Slenderquil it isnt a good idea tho, its just like a spy revolver that doesnt undisguise you when you shoot it
@@DFFilmmaker ah yes mei from overwatch
IT CRITS NOW
Literally was wondering when this one would come out right now
Someone’s never heard of the Sun on a Stick
Maybe it would be more fun if you ran around the sewers instead of camping in one place, baiting people to follow you to a spot where you can easily get a crit on them.
Or just having the weapon in your loadout and playing normally, using it sparingly when the right opportunity arises (this thing can still destroy sappers)
Also you don't have to wait for your own sniper to douse someone, just reflect an enemy's jarate/mad milk back at them and use the real bushwacka!
TheWhat? more like, TheStupid!
You get it?
Joke originated by: qlevb
Yes he still did not do video about hot hand.
TheFart
Only ever used it to destroy sappers as a home wrecker substitute before I got an actually home wrecker
Unsub, now when you become based I'll come back. "Geez Louis I haven't seen a take this bad since when Great Blue said the force of nature wasn't fun to use."
You might wanna update this now, great blue apparently thinks pyro is worse than spy
This weapon may actually be genius design
Giving Pyro, the class that makes people run to water, a weapon to do more damage to them when they're wet
like, in theory, this weapon is incredibly interesting. Its the maps that are to blame.
"they dont even need to be fully sumberged in water"
yeah that's kind of how electricity works
5:53 "Not to mention how boring using the Neon Annihilator is"
I main Medic (so my credibility just plummeted given what I'm trying to say) but even I can tell that sitting in the sewer, only using the Neon Annihilator, _literally just waiting_ for someone to come to you is nowhere near close to a fun play-style. It's by _no means_ a practical weapon, but 'Fun Factor' can't be objectively measured if you're forcing yourself to use the weapon. The way I see it, the Neon Annihilator is for people with gambling addictions. It's not useful in the average match, but it completely removes one of Pyro's weaknesses, and when someone slips up in the right spot, it's one of the most satisfying weapons to connect with.
If you absolutely _need_ consistency when you pick your weapons, an easy way to get someone to flank in the water is to just beat the crap out of them on land and make a big show of the fact that you aren't running the Neon Annihilator as your melee. When they decide to flank through the water, switch to the Neon Annihilator and find a close spot to catch them off guard. Contrary to popular belief, you _can_ play with more than one melee weapon per match of TF2. Switch off when they get wise or when it stops being fun for you.
I would also like to point out, with the Gas Passer argument, that if- IF- their reason for excluding the Gas Passer was scientifically based in the fact that gasoline is a poor electric conductor (which I DON'T think it was given the fact that the Gas Passer can extinguish teammates), then they're also totally ignoring the fact that IT'S A LIVE SPARK AROUND A FLAMABLE LIQUID. Gaben fucking forbid they give the Gas Passer any legitimate use outside of MvM but like, at least have it do mini-crits or SOMETHING.
This didn’t age well.
So now its canonical that the what has eminem, kanye west, and george lopez living in his house.
The neon annihilator. As a pyro main I'll never understand the game design decision to make it not combo with the gas passer. It's fun to use it in pier since it's basically the only map that really has water on it. I would still rank it uper than the position you put it but I can't change a single argument you made on it. Nice video video as always.
Me with 1200 kills on my killstreak Neon Annihilator: 👁️👄👁️
if only the gas passer counted enemies as wet. Then all of the endangered pyro sharks stuck in the sewers could branch out and become land-based menaces
2:05 as a lady, Bionicles were fucking dope and I'd be instantly soaked at a collection of them
Hehe, 2024 summer update
Ah yes, the 2 great events of humanity, WW2 and Gangnam Style
I'm pretty sure that engineer wanted his minisentry destroyed so he could easily place another in a better space. Now he needs a few more button presses.
I find neon annihilator kind of fun actually. Maybe it's because I usually either flank and don't use melee much or because my second main subclass for pyro is pybro...
the neon annihilator: the gaben please make gas passer effect count as wet melee
LET'S GOOO, WE'RE UP TO A ONE ON THE FUN SCALE NEON MANIACS
That's FIVE PERCENT OF THE WAY TO PERFECT TENS ACROSS THE BOARD BABEY
"DUHHHH GASOLINE ISN'T CONDUCTIVE"
2 weeks ago a guy on a motorcycle in Arkansas got set on fire by police after they tased him and the prongs hit his backpack which had a gasoline container inside
This is single handedly one of the most fun weapons in the game, if you pybro with this and convince your sniper to go with jarate (seeing as it's a great secondary) you can also chase your scout that might have mad milk (seeing as how it's also great) and tag team people with him, and the point about people not coming back to you in the sewers is only applicable to people who don't play 2fort 24/7, I have had the same people in many lobbies run directly into me multiple times and when you dom them it only makes them come back more, you can also change your positioning to trick people hunting you, basically if no water then tag team with your sniper(s) and engi but stick to your sniper more, if you wish to have more action tag team with your scout, if you wish to be a chad just go in with no way to make players wet and smack them for funny kill, there is no way this weapon is not fun and the wacky ways you can find to get people into the water makes up for the impracticality of this weapon
It’s hilarious to jump into water and just destroying a enemy
i wouldnt mind a sitcom with thewhat and eminem weapon reviews
Counter point, the neon annihilator has always been a strange case to me.
@@MadWatcher counter-counter point, nuh uh
If the gas passer was considered wet on players this would easier to use
Dragon's fury, gas passer, and neon would be a great combo
goddamnit, I can never listen to the portal radio track the same way ever again ever since that one loop
Now this video belongs in r/agedlikemilk
Pyro sharks would like to know your location…
I think pyroleech is a much more fitting name then pyroshark considering you spend 90% of the time waiting an ankle-deep water.
Wow. To put it bluntly, thewhat takes YET ANOTHER SELF INFLICTED L! Not only was he wrong about the fun level of the neon annihilator, he was also wrong when he said that I cant tell ladies about my BIONICLE collection in tf2. I have yet to go a day without mercilessly hunting down women in tf2, jumping server to server, just waiting for my moment to corner an unsuspecting female, only to UNLEASH a torrential stream of set 1 and 2 mask lore knowledge. What a foolish set of takes from a foolish boy.
Guess what?
The neon annihilator justgot buffed
The fact that bing soy's pyro shark spawn camp clip was not shown in the clip section is a disgrace.
Add a water balloon gun weapon that functions like a flare gun, only it makes players wet, does low damage, but can extinguish players from across the map.
probably been mentioned, but seeing this after the annialator got buffed with the gas passer now making people wet is fairly funny.
At first I thought you were wrong, but the problem with the neon is that even in deep water, you can never close the gap before dying. But I do enjoy the waiting for the prey to wander into my domain. I hope someone creates a map that’s shark viable.
Edit: also the sapper removal helps with living with nearby engies, as they can give you underwater dispensers and you can protect their nests.
The george lopez bit at the end got me deadass, ngl
Where is 10hours long video about the hot hand.
Pls i will give you my kidneis.
I’m convinced gang plank galleon is the most used game ost for RUclips
i never before realized... that the neon annihilator crits wet players... because it has electricity.
I thought of a great strategy where a sniper uses the sydney sleeper to coat an enemy from across the map and then a neon annihilator pyro crits them to death but then I remembered that headshots exist
enimies will usually jump into water to escape your flames thats when the neon annihilator really comes into play. also, even on maps with no water, the jarate and mad milk still exist, and if you have a friend playing sniper or scout, this can be pretty easy i guess you just cant do that part beacause clearly you have no friends. how sad.
After 2 million years the pyro shark evolved into 2 types.... The axetinguisher and the homewrecker... More known as.. Combo pyros and pybros
I HAVE WANTED THAT MEME AT THE BEGINNING TO GET ATTENTION FOR 2 YEARS I LOVE YOU
8:56 this is the greatest explanation of evolution ever
What annoys me about it the most is that water environment should be by design a contra to the pyro, not make it easier for them to kill you.
Like yeah there ain't many places with water but still it's intuitive to avoid the dude with a flamethrower underwater
I never use it but I like that you didn’t quite go back in your opinion. Too many people backtrack now in days.
Neon annihilator is something I use like 9/10ths of the time because it removes sappers like the homewrecker but deals more damage to players
Theres nothing wrong with changing your opinion
@@CAMSLAYER13 There is if it’s in response to backlash. That’s the most spineless thing you can do.
@@Small_child_punter even that depends, if you backtrack purely because there was backlash, then yea I'd agree but the backlash may actually have a good point to make
@@CAMSLAYER13 it’s not a matter of the backlash having a point. It’s a matter of changing your opinion just because it’s unpopular. Unless you believe you’re wrong, stick to your guns.
I'm still going to use The Neon Annihilator I just think it's neat to how it breaks and it plays the bass and i can help engy guns but most of all I just think neon signs are just neat
Mate calls a weapon that can 1-shot medium classes the "Lamest" meanwhile Stock and The Sharpened Vulcano Fragment in the corner are happy they are not being laughed at again
Stock fireaxe and Sharpened Volcano fragment can get 1-hit kills more consistently thanks to random crits (15-60% chance for melee weapons). You are literally better off just running at people swinging the stock axe than praying people step into the water.
@@AnglosArentHuman Or you can just focus your game on luring/airblasting (it's a function) into water and get a guaranteed crit instead of the 15% chance, which is more consistent and probably better in the long run. If a map doesn't have big water areas, isn't 2fort, well, or any other map that contains large amounts of water filled area, just use other weapons. If you have a way to 1-shot most of the classes with so little effort, then this is hands down one of the better melee weapons made for combat.
@@badluck7286 this is a weird hill to die on. The Neon Annihilator is just a bad gimmicky weapon
@@badluck7286 or... You could use the extinguisher that can (mini) crit people standing on ground and using airblast to Connect the melee hit instead of flinging your enemies on water, where you are in a disadvantage most of the time
@@venezuela547 You could, but most newer (0-450h) find it hard to combo (haven't discovered button weapon switch) and prefer a simplier way. And I think axetinguisher still doesn't 1-shot medium classes, may be wrong.
Mini crit was 2x the damage, right?
I give it a 10/10 fun factor because once on 2fort there was an annoying lime scout who was dominating me, and next time he ran at me, I airblasted him into the sewers and then market gardened him with the crit as I jumped in after. Thats why now I own a strange professional killstreak neon annihilator
"It's about as fun as watching paint dry"
Meanwhile RTGame reaching almost top placement on twitch while watching paint dry
Absolutely based take, king. People who go crazy for the neon annihilator suffer from terminal 2fort brain rot.
My brain do not rot because i play on 2 fort with hot hand.
People also overlook the ability to break sentries. *The homewrecker is obsolete. Embrace glowy sign.*
Laughs in stock fire axe
the collab we've all been waiting for
That Portal Music at the Start got me crying
pyro sharks rn:
Hot hand pyro better.
Tbh, the 2fort pyro sharks have gotten me more times than I would like to admit.