@@MatthiasLebo Here's a rephrased version of your request: I currently own the OA3 and am considering an upgrade to the OA4 or OA5. However, I'm waiting for unbiased reviews that aren't sponsored, which clearly outline the pros and cons. I want to make an informed decision about which one is better for underwater footage and which one deserve the upgrade I am quite sure that OA5 will provide several firmware update in the future considering users requirements but still need profitional opinion.
Im more lean to buy the OA5 Pro than the Gopro 13…i still have the gopro10 Large sensor, temperature sensor, brighter video. Looking forward to see your review with attached lens from AOI or Inon.
From DJI FORUM QUOTE action5pro 4nm chip greatly increases encode efficiency: using less bitrate without sacrificing image quality. (Technically good enough Signal-to-Noise Ratio compare to video raw ) For a same level encoding chip and algorithm, bitrate increasing does help with detail, but details stop to gain as bitrate reaches the saturation point. chip and encoding algorithm improvement will lower the saturation point birate, just like action5pro does END QUOTE
Thanks for your comment @sesimbratours. I'll try to get those reviews out as quickly as I can. There's just too many camera releases at the moment... 🙈
Dji reduces the bitrate for long time battery and to avoid overheating But they promised that it will be added as an option for the next firmware update We would like to see a comparison between OA4 and OA5 for underwater footage Cause i trust your opinion
@amer-m8y I don't think it's got anything to do with overheating. I mean the frame rates and resolution didn't chance since the OA4 and that one didn't overheat with the higher bitrate of 130mbps. Battery life could very well be a main reason for doing this. Well, I hope they'll bring back the higher bit rate in a future firmware update. And yes, I'll definitely make a comparison of the OA4 and OA5 Pro sometime soon.
I have the 4. Ordered the 5 yesterday as DJI have already confirmed the higher bitrate options will be available in next firmware. Therefore, for a scuba diver, the battery upgrade and internal storage and same dive case I already own make this a no brainer for me to try and optimize action camera footage to be integrated with my other bigger camera footages (a7s3) in my underwater videos.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us @GaryTyson. What you're saying makes total sense and I've also place my order already, hoping it gets here in time for my upcoming trip next week to Egypt. Really curious to test this action cam under real life conditions.
@@MatthiasLebo fingers crossed. Mine arrived today so I’ll get it in the water at the weekend to test here in the Philippines. See you here sometime 🙏🏻👌🏻
DJI have emailed another reviewer and suggested they will address the bit rate issue, However, I have sent my 5 back with the reason being the bit rate. DJI did not say that was to be addressed and accepted my return request, I was however hoping DJI would say an firmware was in the pipeline. I may well re buy it if the bitrate is improved. All the other new osmo 5 features are great.
Thanks for your comment @andy.underwater.videos. Other people have said that DJI did confirm an increased bitrate option will be added with the next firmware update. I don't have any officially confirmed information on that, but would certainly love to see this happening rather earlier than later.
I shoot underwater video in housing with GoPro 9 and am looking to upgrade, but waiting for the Insta360 Ace Pro 2, as I keep hearing it should be out soon. Part of my reluctance to move away from GoPro stems from the Macromate Flip filter that allows closeups with my GoPro. The others don't have that available and it's often important to get close to small life.
I understand your reasons to not want to move away from GoPro and you're right, there is no such options for other action cams. Hopefully DJI comes up with some accessories soon. 🤞🏻
The lower bitrate is because in the initial firmware they only provided HEVC (which is a total piece of crap). They need to provide H264 in the next firmware upgrade for me to buy. Also, I cannot understand how DJI can put a 1-inch sensor in the Osmo Pocket 3 (which looks gorgeous), but cannot put the same sensor in this camera.
Thanks for your comment @AquaticRod. Do you think HEVC can not handle larger bit rates? Interesting... But I agree, I would also like to see H.264 come back. Much easier to work with in my opinion. Regarding the sensor, I don't think it's a matter of not being able to put the Pocket 3 sensor in the Osmo Action series. Like all camera manufacturers they are trying to keep certain features to certain camera lines and not have the same features in all their cameras. That way, you can kind of push customers to buy several of your cameras, not just one. 😉 Just a speculation, but not impossible in my opinion.
I've got the osmo action 3 when riding my motorbike over 1000miles with the 3 and I love it. I have several episodes on my channel. I'm still thinking why I should upgrade to 5pro
Do you know if the depth overlay. Self start recording when diving down and temp/ colour sensor all work with a dive case on? Or better still, what will the dive case effect.
@@danielparkinson4315 the color temperature sensor will work, the depth sensor and therefore the auto start/stop won’t, as they measure pressure changes on the sensor, which won’t be present if not directly exposed to water. I’m guessing that’s why they keep pushing on the maximum waterproof depth (without housing). 20 meters is really good and it will only get better in future versions.
It's not a review buddy. I had not tested the Osmo Action 5 Pro at the time of creating this video. This video was created right after DJI announced the Osmo Action 5 Pro and I was simply sharing my thoughts with the community about their new action cam. Never did I mention that this video is a proper review.
Die Reduzierung der Bitrate hat mich auch stutzig gemacht. Ich habe die Kamera mal bestellt und werde sie ausprobieren - ich war einfach zu neugierig. Ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass die Reduzierung der Bitrate entweder etwas damit zu tun hat, die Akkureichweite deutlich zu erhöhen - für Marketingzwecke. Ein paar erste Test scheinen wirklich zu bestätigen, dass die Kamera deutlich länger durchhält. Reduzierung der Hitzeentwicklung wäre auch ein Thema warum man die Bitrate reduziert hat. Aber das ist leider nur Spekulation. Es wäre toll wenn sie ein Upgrade nachlegen würden, bei dem man die Bitrate selbst wählen könnte - aber zB. auf die maximale Laufzeit verzichten. Den Tiefensensor finde ich dagegen sehr spannend. Das könnte man in den Videos danach immer mal wieder einblenden. Auch außerhalb des Nightmodes soll sie im low light Bereich besser geworden sein und wenn man sich selbst filmt - den Belichtung zwischen einem selbst und den Hintergrund dank KI Tracking besser steuern können. Das hört sich so ähnlich an, wie die Funktion in der AcePro.
Ja ich habe sie mir auch schon bestellt und bin sehr gespannt. Nächste Woche geht für einen kleinen Auftrag nach Ägypten, da werde ich sie sicher dabei haben und den einen oder anderen Test machen und der ganzen Bitraten-Geschichte auf den Grund gehen. 😉
@@MatthiasLebo hallo Matthias, ich habe meine Fünfer nun da. Habe eine Vergleichsfahrt mit 4 und 5 auf dem Fahrrad durch den Wald gemacht. Das Bild ist schon größtenteils identisch. Tatsächlich belichten sie aber etwas unterschiedlich. Ich konnte beim direkten Vergleich keine Artefakte oder so etwas durch die geringere Bitrate feststellen. Ich bin sehr gespannt wie deine Ergebnisse Unterwasser ausfallen. Ob man die Fünfer wirklich braucht, wenn man bereits eine Vierer hat, muss jeder selbst entscheiden. Der interne Speicher, 40 Megapixel Fotos, die praktischen Sensordaten und auch der supernight Modus sind aber schon ein paar starke Argumente. Die Möglichkeit Teile eines 4K 100fps (120) Video in Post nochmal 4x zu verlangsamen ist auch nicht schlecht und steht in direkter Konkurrenz zur neuen Zeitlupe der GoPro 13. Den neuen Akku habe ich noch nicht leer bekommen. Echt nicht schlecht. Positiv zu erwähnen ist, dass man die Akkus der 4, die Ladeschale als auch das Unterwassergehäuse weiterverwenden kann.
@@MatthiasLebo ich musste jetzt leider feststellen, dass der Drucksensor im Tauchgehäuse nicht funktioniert. Man kann sich also bei richtigen Tauchgängen im Nachgang die Daten nicht anzeigen lassen. Dadurch ist ein großer Pluspunkt der Kamera für mich leider hinfällig. Schade.
@@NormenSchmidt Danke für das Update. Das hatte ich mir schon gedacht. Naja, zumindest bis 20 Meter geht es auch ohne Gehäuse, aber ja, wenn man häufig tiefer taucht nützt das einem natürlich nichts 🤷🏻♂️
Ich habe noch eine Osmo Action (1), also etwas kleiner, für die ich ein selbstgebautes Tauch-Rig habe, mit in Summe minimalem Auftrieb. Was wiegt eine Action 5 (oder 3 / 4 wenn sie ja gleich groß sind... ) MIT Case unter Wasser , (also Gewicht Kamera plus Case minus Auftrieb) -> Ich hab die Kamera im Case dazu damals an eine Küchenwaage gebunden und dann in Süßwasser eingetaucht.. Nur um zu wissen ob ich das alles neu bauen muß, oder das noch passt...
What are your thought on the new DJI Osmo Action 5 Pro? Will you upgrade? 🤷🏻♂
@@MatthiasLebo Here's a rephrased version of your request:
I currently own the OA3 and am considering an upgrade to the OA4 or OA5. However, I'm waiting for unbiased reviews that aren't sponsored, which clearly outline the pros and cons. I want to make an informed decision about which one is better for underwater footage and which one deserve the upgrade
I am quite sure that OA5 will provide several firmware update in the future considering users requirements but still need profitional opinion.
Im more lean to buy the OA5 Pro than the Gopro 13…i still have the gopro10
Large sensor, temperature sensor, brighter video.
Looking forward to see your review with attached lens from AOI or Inon.
From DJI FORUM QUOTE action5pro 4nm chip greatly increases encode efficiency: using less bitrate without sacrificing image quality. (Technically good enough Signal-to-Noise Ratio compare to video raw )
For a same level encoding chip and algorithm, bitrate increasing does help with detail, but details stop to gain as bitrate reaches the saturation point.
chip and encoding algorithm improvement will lower the saturation point birate, just like action5pro does END QUOTE
@Amer-m8y I'll make a comparison once I get my OA5 Pro and have some time to take the two on a couple of dives. Stay tuned...
Thanks for your comment @sesimbratours. I'll try to get those reviews out as quickly as I can. There's just too many camera releases at the moment... 🙈
Dji reduces the bitrate for long time battery and to avoid overheating
But they promised that it will be added as an option for the next firmware update
We would like to see a comparison between OA4 and OA5 for underwater footage
Cause i trust your opinion
just sent my 5 back with the bit rate being the issue. DJI didnt suggest to keep it, and wait for the upgrade.
@amer-m8y I don't think it's got anything to do with overheating. I mean the frame rates and resolution didn't chance since the OA4 and that one didn't overheat with the higher bitrate of 130mbps. Battery life could very well be a main reason for doing this.
Well, I hope they'll bring back the higher bit rate in a future firmware update. And yes, I'll definitely make a comparison of the OA4 and OA5 Pro sometime soon.
I have the 4. Ordered the 5 yesterday as DJI have already confirmed the higher bitrate options will be available in next firmware. Therefore, for a scuba diver, the battery upgrade and internal storage and same dive case I already own make this a no brainer for me to try and optimize action camera footage to be integrated with my other bigger camera footages (a7s3) in my underwater videos.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us @GaryTyson. What you're saying makes total sense and I've also place my order already, hoping it gets here in time for my upcoming trip next week to Egypt. Really curious to test this action cam under real life conditions.
@@MatthiasLebo fingers crossed. Mine arrived today so I’ll get it in the water at the weekend to test here in the Philippines. See you here sometime 🙏🏻👌🏻
Who tf wants a review that only consists of the products marketing footage?
It's not a review mate, it's a first impression video based on the announcement from DJI. 😉
DJI have emailed another reviewer and suggested they will address the bit rate issue, However, I have sent my 5 back with the reason being the bit rate. DJI did not say that was to be addressed and accepted my return request, I was however hoping DJI would say an firmware was in the pipeline. I may well re buy it if the bitrate is improved. All the other new osmo 5 features are great.
Thanks for your comment @andy.underwater.videos. Other people have said that DJI did confirm an increased bitrate option will be added with the next firmware update. I don't have any officially confirmed information on that, but would certainly love to see this happening rather earlier than later.
To make batteri last way longer i assume. And with that leave the GoPro in the dust.
I shoot underwater video in housing with GoPro 9 and am looking to upgrade, but waiting for the Insta360 Ace Pro 2, as I keep hearing it should be out soon. Part of my reluctance to move away from GoPro stems from the Macromate Flip filter that allows closeups with my GoPro. The others don't have that available and it's often important to get close to small life.
I understand your reasons to not want to move away from GoPro and you're right, there is no such options for other action cams. Hopefully DJI comes up with some accessories soon. 🤞🏻
The lower bitrate is because in the initial firmware they only provided HEVC (which is a total piece of crap). They need to provide H264 in the next firmware upgrade for me to buy.
Also, I cannot understand how DJI can put a 1-inch sensor in the Osmo Pocket 3 (which looks gorgeous), but cannot put the same sensor in this camera.
Thanks for your comment @AquaticRod. Do you think HEVC can not handle larger bit rates? Interesting...
But I agree, I would also like to see H.264 come back. Much easier to work with in my opinion.
Regarding the sensor, I don't think it's a matter of not being able to put the Pocket 3 sensor in the Osmo Action series. Like all camera manufacturers they are trying to keep certain features to certain camera lines and not have the same features in all their cameras. That way, you can kind of push customers to buy several of your cameras, not just one. 😉 Just a speculation, but not impossible in my opinion.
@@MatthiasLebo I think that the camera does not need a higher bit rate in HEVC (H.265) as the format is so compressed.
@@AquaticRodhigher bitrate = more image data to work with = easier to edit and color grade
I've got the osmo action 3 when riding my motorbike over 1000miles with the 3 and I love it. I have several episodes on my channel. I'm still thinking why I should upgrade to 5pro
i freedive and spearfish, i upgrade for one reason. auto start recording when descent. save my breath hold at least by 2 sec
Yep, I see the benefit of that for freediving.
Do you know if the depth overlay. Self start recording when diving down and temp/ colour sensor all work with a dive case on?
Or better still, what will the dive case effect.
@@danielparkinson4315 depth sensor will not work with dive case on. color sensor should work tho.
@@danielparkinson4315 the color temperature sensor will work, the depth sensor and therefore the auto start/stop won’t, as they measure pressure changes on the sensor, which won’t be present if not directly exposed to water. I’m guessing that’s why they keep pushing on the maximum waterproof depth (without housing). 20 meters is really good and it will only get better in future versions.
Hmm. A review focused on underwater video that includes zero underwater footage 🙄
It's not a review buddy. I had not tested the Osmo Action 5 Pro at the time of creating this video. This video was created right after DJI announced the Osmo Action 5 Pro and I was simply sharing my thoughts with the community about their new action cam. Never did I mention that this video is a proper review.
He read only the technical points, bad Video
@@Luckyflower1969 it’s called “a summary of the known facts” for those who don’t want to study and read through all their documentation. 😉
Do we need to remove the lens front of the camera to insert it in the underwater case?
No, that shouldn't be necessary. But I'll check as soon as I have received my OA5 Pro.
Die Reduzierung der Bitrate hat mich auch stutzig gemacht. Ich habe die Kamera mal bestellt und werde sie ausprobieren - ich war einfach zu neugierig. Ich könnte mir vorstellen, dass die Reduzierung der Bitrate entweder etwas damit zu tun hat, die Akkureichweite deutlich zu erhöhen - für Marketingzwecke. Ein paar erste Test scheinen wirklich zu bestätigen, dass die Kamera deutlich länger durchhält. Reduzierung der Hitzeentwicklung wäre auch ein Thema warum man die Bitrate reduziert hat. Aber das ist leider nur Spekulation. Es wäre toll wenn sie ein Upgrade nachlegen würden, bei dem man die Bitrate selbst wählen könnte - aber zB. auf die maximale Laufzeit verzichten. Den Tiefensensor finde ich dagegen sehr spannend. Das könnte man in den Videos danach immer mal wieder einblenden. Auch außerhalb des Nightmodes soll sie im low light Bereich besser geworden sein und wenn man sich selbst filmt - den Belichtung zwischen einem selbst und den Hintergrund dank KI Tracking besser steuern können. Das hört sich so ähnlich an, wie die Funktion in der AcePro.
Ja ich habe sie mir auch schon bestellt und bin sehr gespannt. Nächste Woche geht für einen kleinen Auftrag nach Ägypten, da werde ich sie sicher dabei haben und den einen oder anderen Test machen und der ganzen Bitraten-Geschichte auf den Grund gehen. 😉
@@MatthiasLebo hallo Matthias, ich habe meine Fünfer nun da. Habe eine Vergleichsfahrt mit 4 und 5 auf dem Fahrrad durch den Wald gemacht. Das Bild ist schon größtenteils identisch. Tatsächlich belichten sie aber etwas unterschiedlich. Ich konnte beim direkten Vergleich keine Artefakte oder so etwas durch die geringere Bitrate feststellen. Ich bin sehr gespannt wie deine Ergebnisse Unterwasser ausfallen. Ob man die Fünfer wirklich braucht, wenn man bereits eine Vierer hat, muss jeder selbst entscheiden. Der interne Speicher, 40 Megapixel Fotos, die praktischen Sensordaten und auch der supernight Modus sind aber schon ein paar starke Argumente. Die Möglichkeit Teile eines 4K 100fps (120) Video in Post nochmal 4x zu verlangsamen ist auch nicht schlecht und steht in direkter Konkurrenz zur neuen Zeitlupe der GoPro 13. Den neuen Akku habe ich noch nicht leer bekommen. Echt nicht schlecht. Positiv zu erwähnen ist, dass man die Akkus der 4, die Ladeschale als auch das Unterwassergehäuse weiterverwenden kann.
@@NormenSchmidt Danke für dein Feedback und das Teilen deiner ersten Erfahrungen mit der OA5 Pro.
@@MatthiasLebo ich musste jetzt leider feststellen, dass der Drucksensor im Tauchgehäuse nicht funktioniert. Man kann sich also bei richtigen Tauchgängen im Nachgang die Daten nicht anzeigen lassen. Dadurch ist ein großer Pluspunkt der Kamera für mich leider hinfällig. Schade.
@@NormenSchmidt Danke für das Update. Das hatte ich mir schon gedacht. Naja, zumindest bis 20 Meter geht es auch ohne Gehäuse, aber ja, wenn man häufig tiefer taucht nützt das einem natürlich nichts 🤷🏻♂️
In case of diving in salt water using the waterproof case the depth sensor wouldn’t work
Correct. As soon as you use the waterproof dive housing, the depth sensor will not work.
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Ich habe noch eine Osmo Action (1), also etwas kleiner, für die ich ein selbstgebautes Tauch-Rig habe, mit in Summe minimalem Auftrieb.
Was wiegt eine Action 5 (oder 3 / 4 wenn sie ja gleich groß sind... ) MIT Case unter Wasser , (also Gewicht Kamera plus Case minus Auftrieb) -> Ich hab die Kamera im Case dazu damals an eine Küchenwaage gebunden und dann in Süßwasser eingetaucht..
Nur um zu wissen ob ich das alles neu bauen muß, oder das noch passt...
Kann ich dir nicht sagen, da ich die OA 5 noch nicht habe und entsprechend auch noch nicht testen konnte.
I just wasted 10 minutes… What was the downgrade?
Bla bla, no News…
My question is will the depth gauge work while in a dive case? I hope so!
Nope, sadly this wont work
It will definitely not work
@frackamaduk unfortunately not. The sensor needs pressure to be able to work and it won't get that through the housing.