Air density and resistance has a greater effect than Bjorn takes into account. The Zoe is a hatchback and the Ionic has much less resistance, it’s just the same as my Kona which here in Québec when the temperatures descend into the minuses loses range in winter as much as 30%.
You should consider redoing this test in summer with the same conditions you tested the Model 3 SR+: Summer, Dry, 24 degree. I would assume you have at least 10Wh/km, probably even 15Wh/km less consumption. Also the 1000km challenge would be nice again (in summer without cold gate)
Very good to see this model's real world range in typical driving conditions. I would estimate you'd want to recharge every 250km. I believe they should put in a slightly larger battery, approx. 5 kWh more, just to give it that boost so that you can reliably get it to 300km between charges. 40kWh is the sweet spot, I believe, for mass adoption. You can get the price down, fast charging can get the speed up to where it needs to be for practical use. With continued efficiency improvements, I could see this becoming the new standard for a price/performance ratio. Thanks for the video.
A lot of people are complaining about the charging speed but won't charging slower save the battery life/health plus here in the UK chargers are often in use by someone else so you have to wait for them to finish charging first so the bigger battery/slower charging speed might be more beneficial to get to the next charger ? And perhaps not needing to charge at all until you get to your destination because of the bigger battery anyone thought about that ?
Great summary at the end, I am happy with my Ioniq 28 kWh but perhaps the new Ioniq isn't as bad as feared. Still seems a bit odd charging to 67-70% on a road trip though. At least Ioniq are not too thirsty.
@@ThePeterOlausson I also want to know which to buy for the faster charging speed. what year of ioniq should I search for? I actually was going to buy the ioniq 5 but I am having a bit of range anxiety and will maybe buy the old one for a year or so until they have tweaked the firmware or a newer model has come out that isn't as thirsty as the i5
@@AzizIzgin my Ioniq is manufactered 2018 and has 28kWh battery. Charges up to 70kW so a normal stop for us is approx 15 minutes only. The Ioniq 2019 has the slower charge speed but a bit longer range
@@ThePeterOlaussonbut in average, let us say I would travel around 500-600km once or twice a year, which one is easier you think? How far is your range on motorway at around 110km/h with your model?
The charging speed on the 2020 is limited mostly by the current (125 A) available on 50kW chargers, since it's battery nominal Voltage is ~320V at full charge. If you consider that old Ioniq had a 400V battery pack, it makes a huge difference in charging power. Old Ioniq max charging power (@50 kW chargers) was about 48,75kW (390V * 125A). New Ioniq, as Bjorn experienced it on 50kW chargers, is about 32kW, limited mostly by the low voltage of the battery. The real problem here is the slow charging speed even with faster chargers (100+ kW) as seen on previous tests made by Bjorn. Thank you for such great tests and videos Bjorn! I am a happy 2019 Ioniq owner thanks to your shared experiences. Hope my explanations are relevant and useful.
Björn Nyland. Many thanks for the review of the new IONIQ. yesterday I bought a brand new IONIQ premium liquid grey. Have to wait one and a half week. The I'm the proud owner of the IONIQ electric. Thanks for the reviews 👍👍👍
Just picked my Hyundai Ioniq Premium SE, how does 5.3 miles per kWh sound, it's the only time that I'm glad to say that I like crawling slowly through rush hour traffic
Bjorn can you please do the 120 km/h consumption test and then estimate range as you used to do before? In Southern Europe (France, Germany, Italy, Spain) the cars go at about that speed on the motorway
In all of those countries (except Germany where in 50% there is no limit) limit is 130 km/h and most people go around 140 as its in tolerance, 120 is still kinda slow.
I would like to see an old Ioniq 1000 km test compared with a new Ioniq 1000 km test. What is the charging speed of the old Ioniq? Maybe I'll have to watch some of the older videos again.
There were tests recently ( in german ) on the Channel of Electric-Dave. Maybe subtitles work. And he also drove the new Ionic from Hamburg to the Nordkapp. Very interesting.
It seems that ioniq consumption is much higher than model 3 at high speed, I mean motorway speed like in France 130 km/h where people drive above it. French youtuber explains that the asynchronous motor consumption is low in small speed but when it go in higher rad/s it become worth. Where tesla become very economic. It will be nice to check this also.
Great videos Bjørn, now that you no longer do Nimber, can you do a comparison on different vehicles regarding autopilot/self driving/lane assist etc so that we can see what a Tesla has that the others don’t.
What is the 0.5 to 0 km Charger 'pump' gauge above the range left and below the mode on the Speedo display. Right side next to the speedo. 7:54 above cruise. ???
17:24 The real Capacity of the battery is 38.8 kWh. I bought this car one year ago and i mesured the capacity with Power Cruise Control. I also drow my car until 2% and i didn't see any non linear decreasing of the battery, at 3% it could go to 130 km/h on the higway
You didn't really measure it. You just read out a value claimed by the BMS under ideal conditons. What I measured was actual energy you can get out of the battery after any losses.
So finally do we know if Ioniq or SR+ is efficiency king? I think it depends also quite on the driving skills. Since Tesla cannot sail, a not so good driver will loose some energy for unintentional regen. While in Ioniq you can switch on sailing mode, which is the most efficient thing.
My Ioniq 38 when charged to 100% on a 30c day shows 389km range. I haven’t driven it on a very long journey but I am finding the consumption to be very low and I think that range may be close to being possible.
@@person2186 I have no idea if Hyundai will be changing anything to do with the charging or if they can do anything at all. For me I don't care that it may take an hour to charge it. In South Australia we only have one 50kw charger and for the driving I do I just don't need it. I'm sure though with the temperatures we have here it will charge a lot faster than Bjorn found it in the cold. I will give it a try one day just to see but all my charging is AC with the majority of it being excess solar from my house via a Zappi charger. The range I am getting now allows me to go wherever I want with just a possible top up on a destination charger to be sure I am charged enough to get home.
Hello Bjorn, have you checked the tire dimension? Maybe the difference between speedometer and GPS is so big because there are 205/55/R16 tires mounted. For the new Ioniq two dimensions are allowed - 205/60/R16 (standard dimension) and 205/55/R16.
Driving my Ioniq the LFA sometimes gives me a nasty surprise with a sudden jerk left or right in a curve (nice reminder to always keep your hands on the wheel). Might be bad road lining, don't know exactly. On highways it will probably work better. Over 2500 (ca. 90 km/day) km my average consumption is now down to 14.5 kWh/100. Still decreasing. Driving a bit of curvy road with a lot of braking and accelerations to work, doesn't help to reduce it. But the lousy (warm) winter helps. Managed to drive 3 days commuting without charging and a bit of local. Had 4% left after 280+ km. (stupidly leftover range dissapears from the screen at 30km) Still, rather satisfied with it. Have a home charger, otherwise it would be a pain in the neck.
i don't get the masured available energy with the zoe... having 42.5 kWh and 290km range in winter would mean the consumption was 14.65kWh/100km which is far off the consumption in the 1000km challenge (which was much higher- but also driven too fast for a good consumption). was there another video or was this measured off-screen?
Do as Bjorn does. Drive from 100% down to very low SOC, calculate usable energy and compare to what Bjorn got here. I did this recently after 50000km and got 36.84kWh. Still think Bjorn should have tested this car in summer and with 16" wheels. It does not like the cold very much but loves a warm day.
@@piscario7550000km okay... and how old is your Ioniq Facelift? According to Hyundai, the Ioniq facelift had 38,3 kWh capacity when it was new. So this means, according to You, 3,81% Degradation on the Facelift Model after 50000km and ... Years. That sounds good.
@A.l.e.x.93 3.5 years old now. Also, you never get 38.3 out of a new car due to losses. Bjorn measured 37.5kWh when new so degredation is even better than that. Our GOM is currently saying 389km due to our driving habits, and that is actually achievable in spring and autumn.
@björn - would you mind taking a screenshot of your firmwarepage in the car. I just got my 2020 Ioniq and so far so good, but I don't have the speed showing in the dashboard (only in satnav). Swedish premium+ version so really should be there, but no go at the moment. Even my manual says it should be there, but not showing in menus... Very annoying. Much appreciated :-) Great video btw (as always).
@@arnejohansen8677 To me charging speed is like megapixels on a camera. They want to make you believe 100 is better than 25. But in reality 25 is more than enough.
@@fergus247 if you are in a hurry, or on a long trip it matters 2 me. I would have loved having more 75+ kW chargers om my summertrip with Hyundai Kona. 20 min saved on a charger is sometimes worth paying more for.
I have to admit I wanted to get an Ioniq, but after learning about how slow it is to recharge on long trips, I can't consider it. Great car for lower budgets except for that huge problem.
AWildBard Longer range means trips of 250-300km are possible, where you would have to stop in the old one, so it would be faster in those situations. Depends how often you have to rapid charge, if you are home charging mostly it is a none issue.
What’s the news about IONITY chargers hiking their price up, really high, more than twice as much? I heard it from Robert Llewellyn on Fully Charged Show 2020 January update on you tube. Madness or an ulterior motive?
I am debating if I will buy the one with air cooling instead of liquid. Overall, which is best you think for a family with 4? Or do you recommend any other in the same price range? will the liquid cooling be maintenance free as the air cooling? Cause if it costs a lot of money to take to workshop that is not good… I heard that the have to change the water? If so, how how Often?
Hi Khun Bjørn, love your consumption tests and bought the Model 3 as a result. Question: did you ever do a test of how tire pressures impact consumption ? I’d be interested because I’m on 2.5 bar and my consumption is higher now...
Hi Bjorn, I'm a big fan of your channel. I would like a personal opinion. I want to buy an electric taxi car. I am not determined between Hyundai Ioniq and Vw id3. I want it to be a spacious car in the first place. Thanks
@@bjornnyland I see, they made it to 50 million euros their crowdfunding and seems like they will make it real...and hope you could get a chance to test it...and I believe Sion will change some rules in Europe...
According to ' ev-database.uk/car/1165/Hyundai-IONIQ-Electric ' the max charge rate on 50kw charger is 40kw with avg of 34kw. The charge rate max ever is 44kw on more powerful chargers. This is definitely an area hyundai should of improved on rather than downgrading. The old ioniq could reach near to 70kw. So what is the point of liquid cooling at such a low rate? The old ioniq is air cooled but produce more heat i guess at charge rates of 70kw. Seems hyundai just want more items on the vehicle description so unaware non technical (new to EV) people will purchase. I PCP my 28kw ioniq thinking in few years i just get the newer model on a trade in, since it will get better. I think I was wrong and now will be putting my hopes in the vision IV. Nice video, and I wish you all the best.
In my street there is 1 charger i tought it was just for one car. But right now 2 cars are charging 1 nissan leaf and one tesla model 3 on one little public charger. Didn't knew it was posible
Most chargers have 2 or 3 different connectors......since Leaf and Tesla also have different plugs they can be connected at the same time.....ofc charging speed is lower then.....
So if i had an ev and i want to charge . And then somebody allsow want. My charging speed is slower.. that’s stupid. What doni have to do with somebody else?
Hi Bjørn - thanks for the great videos :) I'm a total newbie so pls don't shoot me down if this sounds stupid but do you always use the regen paddles instead of the brake pedal ? I've just ordered an Ioniq and it was a description by someone about how satisfying it was to drive only using the paddles that made my decision. I've owned some geat cars and it's so rare to find a new experience .....
270 kms in WINTER at 90km/h with the 28kWh ? In your dream dude 😂 My 38kwh at 10 degrés celsius had 330 kms of range with my WINTER tyres at 70km/h average speed
@@thibs8801 270 in the summer. Not the winter. In the summer since I bought new to around 100k km milage I got in the summer 270. In the winter at -10 or below I get 120-140 max.
@@thibs8801 it's good that it gets 330 at 10 degrees but what does it get when it's -10 or below. That's my concern. I need 200-250 range in any climate.
@@thibs8801 thats pretty good. I'm at 170k km now and in the summer I'm still above 220-230. Mine is 2017, had my gearbox changed and motor changed under warranty. Haven't done any maintenance on the car yet. Didn't even change the brakes.
☺️ As seen on your previous video, the new Ioniq is excellent value for money but unfortunately still out of reach for many new car buyers in many countries. My favourite EV now, possibly with VW id3, but both just a dream for now. Looking forward to my Citigo iv, should arrive in maybe 6 months.
@@fergus247☺️ In Finland, my current petrol Citigo had about € 1200 taxes in price. My new Citigo iv has about € 500. Government EV grant reduced the price of the car by € 2000. When I closed the deal, the Citigo iv cost me roughly € 3500 more than my old petrol version. Both were new. The iv also has heated windscreen and automatic climate control as standard, so the real value difference is smaller, maybe € 2000. Citigo iv really is the first affordable EV in Finland, along with sister cars Seat Mii and VW UP. The VW is priced substantially higher, despite lacking some standard features that Skoda and Seat have. About € 5000 more price for worse overall package. And since the Seat has an estimated 21 month delivery time compared to the 6 months of Citigo, it was an easy choice.
@@Cloxxki in the uk you really have to be a bit of a mug to buy a new car as business get much better deals in the tax code making it pointless to buy a car new in the u.k unless you have a business.
@@Cloxxki ☺️ I agree. Also Skoda's version will be great deal. Although VW has announced that they will be cutting off accessories etc from Skoda to make it look more cheaper than VW. Maybe in the future there will be more choices.
About €0.79 for 1kwh around all of Europe from 31 january, if you don't own a var from one of the owners like Audi, Mercedes and some more brands and pay a montly fee.
Now, if only they would make a 50+kWh version, model 3 killer. For now, for me, M3 is too expensive here and I don't really like the interior design+ Tesla issues. Mayby Kia will help, releasing a smaller, more aerodynamic car then the huge wannabe offroader.
Wait, VW ID3 looks impressive on paper, and theoretically fills all the right boxes- not very expensive, not too big, has a long range option with fast charging. Remains to see if it will really be good :)
@@piciu256 hmmm the id3 long range is 4 seater, no bike rack or glass roof allowed due to weight due to cheap suspension. The first edition which is almost certainly a lot more expensive than this car, (maybe even more expensive than an E-Niro) doesn't come with park assist or dual zones climate control or lots of other standard features. After the initial batch they are going to have to sell it cheaply to keep the factory busy.
Piotr Sulej I don’t think that will happen with this platform, they’ve already pretty much maxed out on how much battery they can squeeze in (with the resulting charging compromise). No doubt if there is another Ioniq after this one it will switch to a skateboard type platform where they can add more battery.
@@onlineo2263 it's good enough for me, featureset wise at least. I don't need roof rack, it wouldn't make sense in my mind anyway, as it would lower the range considerably, no one would stop me from installing a winch rack, which has none of the issues stated. I don't see a point of glass roof.
Hei Bjørn, thank you for your videos, a question about low speed charging when the battery is cold, in theory the New ionic can load at 7.2 kW, but when is charging in a station at 7,2kw and the battery is vold, Will charge at 7,2kw or the speed reduction is similar (percentage) when is fast charging. Thank you!
Don't forget there might be up to several kWh in the Zoe between 99% to 100%... That might explain the difference in range. Some users have experienced it, on ma ten 1 Zoe, it takes a while to 100%, and it seems to be the same with this new Zoe. Some users have measured 3 kWh from 99 to 100%.
@@bjornnyland ? I did watch entire video, didn't catch weather it was on or is even an option on your tested car. Why you so aggressive? Genuinely asking as have the car just few days want to know how much effect it has on range/efficiency with On or Off
I dont know, I would just spend more money and get Model 3 SR+ or Kona, which is only 32 000 NOK more expensive, but much bigger range and much better charging, its really shame they made it charging so slow.
Tesla SR+ in BE is 48k euro non negotiable (no subsidies here) while in reality you can prob get a new ioniq for about half that and a used one for like 10k euro. The difference is huge. SR+ is good in Germany and US, but not worth it in many other countries.
I'm fed up saying it but for the price it should be a MINIMUM battery size of 50 kw if for get it and go for a TESLA for ever all so just like Merc's, BMW, Jag and the rest TOOOO CLUTTERED TOO MANY BUTTONS
The Ioniq is by far the mist efficient EV vehicle out there for the battery size👍🏼
Air density and resistance has a greater effect than Bjorn takes into account. The Zoe is a hatchback and the Ionic has much less resistance, it’s just the same as my Kona which here in Québec when the temperatures descend into the minuses loses range in winter as much as 30%.
It is a significant effect. Also the battery itself can't perform as well when it is below optimum temperature.
That's part of the reason I chose the ioniq because it's very streamlined so not as affected by high speed etc.
There should be more EVs like this, just with 60 kWh battery. I don't need some stupid and inefficient SUV.
You should consider redoing this test in summer with the same conditions you tested the Model 3 SR+: Summer, Dry, 24 degree. I would assume you have at least 10Wh/km, probably even 15Wh/km less consumption. Also the 1000km challenge would be nice again (in summer without cold gate)
I really appreciate your humor! Greetings from the Caribbean
Very good to see this model's real world range in typical driving conditions. I would estimate you'd want to recharge every 250km. I believe they should put in a slightly larger battery, approx. 5 kWh more, just to give it that boost so that you can reliably get it to 300km between charges. 40kWh is the sweet spot, I believe, for mass adoption. You can get the price down, fast charging can get the speed up to where it needs to be for practical use. With continued efficiency improvements, I could see this becoming the new standard for a price/performance ratio. Thanks for the video.
I like my current Ioniq very much, but the new one's charging is a shame!
Same and I agree
Use case, I rarely rapid charge.
A lot of people are complaining about the charging speed but won't charging slower save the battery life/health plus here in the UK chargers are often in use by someone else so you have to wait for them to finish charging first so the bigger battery/slower charging speed might be more beneficial to get to the next charger ? And perhaps not needing to charge at all until you get to your destination because of the bigger battery anyone thought about that ?
Great summary at the end, I am happy with my Ioniq 28 kWh but perhaps the new Ioniq isn't as bad as feared. Still seems a bit odd charging to 67-70% on a road trip though. At least Ioniq are not too thirsty.
I almost bought the new Ioniq but since the charge speed is so bad I got a hold of a classic Ioniq 28kWh. Is totally happy with the classic 👍🚙
@@ThePeterOlausson I also want to know which to buy for the faster charging speed. what year of ioniq should I search for? I actually was going to buy the ioniq 5 but I am having a bit of range anxiety and will maybe buy the old one for a year or so until they have tweaked the firmware or a newer model has come out that isn't as thirsty as the i5
@@AzizIzgin my Ioniq is manufactered 2018 and has 28kWh battery. Charges up to 70kW so a normal stop for us is approx 15 minutes only. The Ioniq 2019 has the slower charge speed but a bit longer range
@@ThePeterOlaussonbut in average, let us say I would travel around 500-600km once or twice a year, which one is easier you think? How far is your range on motorway at around 110km/h with your model?
@@AzizIzgin approx 150 km range I would say 👍
no fast charge? Shiiiieeeeettt!
The charging speed on the 2020 is limited mostly by the current (125 A) available on 50kW chargers, since it's battery nominal Voltage is ~320V at full charge. If you consider that old Ioniq had a 400V battery pack, it makes a huge difference in charging power. Old Ioniq max charging power (@50 kW chargers) was about 48,75kW (390V * 125A). New Ioniq, as Bjorn experienced it on 50kW chargers, is about 32kW, limited mostly by the low voltage of the battery. The real problem here is the slow charging speed even with faster chargers (100+ kW) as seen on previous tests made by Bjorn. Thank you for such great tests and videos Bjorn! I am a happy 2019 Ioniq owner thanks to your shared experiences. Hope my explanations are relevant and useful.
The biggest problem with the new battery is that it coldgates. So even if 125 A is available, it will only pull 95 A.
@@bjornnyland I see. I'm kind of disappointed with that though. My 2019 charges so fast, even in cold days... Too bad really. Thanks for the info!
'That'd be great. Yeaaaah'. Gary Cole would be proud of you!
I thought the same! I can't believe no one liked or replied to your comment until me. :-)
Björn Nyland. Many thanks for the review of the new IONIQ. yesterday I bought a brand new IONIQ premium liquid grey. Have to wait one and a half week. The I'm the proud owner of the IONIQ electric.
Thanks for the reviews 👍👍👍
Just picked my Hyundai Ioniq Premium SE, how does 5.3 miles per kWh sound, it's the only time that I'm glad to say that I like crawling slowly through rush hour traffic
Bjorn can you please do the 120 km/h consumption test and then estimate range as you used to do before? In Southern Europe (France, Germany, Italy, Spain) the cars go at about that speed on the motorway
In all of those countries (except Germany where in 50% there is no limit) limit is 130 km/h and most people go around 140 as its in tolerance, 120 is still kinda slow.
@@TravelwithPavel I'm Italian and I agree.
Thanks Bjørn
"UN..support them...good shit" haha classic 👌🏻 keep up the great reviews my man
The Danes are going on skiing holiday the next 3-4 weeks.
I would like to see an old Ioniq 1000 km test compared with a new Ioniq 1000 km test.
What is the charging speed of the old Ioniq? Maybe I'll have to watch some of the older videos again.
Old Ioniq has already had its 1000 km test, and the new one just had its test yesterday in the live channel.
There were tests recently ( in german ) on the Channel of Electric-Dave. Maybe subtitles work. And he also drove the new Ionic from Hamburg to the Nordkapp. Very interesting.
20:44 Zoe is supposed to have 52kWh ( not 45 as written) battery. but certainly with low temp in winter you can't get all capacity available.
Zoe has a 52kwh battery but only about 45 of it is useable.
The logo is flat because the radar sensor is mounted behind I guess. Great test as alaways Bjorn!
9:50 I believe they call this phenomenon "fog" 😂
Not the same thing at all. Fog contains zombies.
Hi @Bjørn, what scanner dongle / bluetooth app combo do you recommend for this Hyundai Ionic to check SOC etc.. Ta, Michael.
It seems that ioniq consumption is much higher than model 3 at high speed, I mean motorway speed like in France 130 km/h where people drive above it. French youtuber explains that the asynchronous motor consumption is low in small speed but when it go in higher rad/s it become worth. Where tesla become very economic. It will be nice to check this also.
Great videos Bjørn, now that you no longer do Nimber, can you do a comparison on different vehicles regarding autopilot/self driving/lane assist etc so that we can see what a Tesla has that the others don’t.
What is the 0.5 to 0 km Charger 'pump' gauge above the range left and below the mode on the Speedo display. Right side next to the speedo. 7:54 above cruise. ???
17:24 The real Capacity of the battery is 38.8 kWh. I bought this car one year ago and i mesured the capacity with Power Cruise Control. I also drow my car until 2% and i didn't see any non linear decreasing of the battery, at 3% it could go to 130 km/h on the higway
You didn't really measure it. You just read out a value claimed by the BMS under ideal conditons. What I measured was actual energy you can get out of the battery after any losses.
In holland winter now is 12 Celsius
Interesting, so new Ioniq range in winter is almost what I see in summer. Not enough of an increase to make it worth upgrading for me.
So finally do we know if Ioniq or SR+ is efficiency king? I think it depends also quite on the driving skills. Since Tesla cannot sail, a not so good driver will loose some energy for unintentional regen. While in Ioniq you can switch on sailing mode, which is the most efficient thing.
My Ioniq 38 when charged to 100% on a 30c day shows 389km range. I haven’t driven it on a very long journey but I am finding the consumption to be very low and I think that range may be close to being possible.
@@person2186 I have no idea if Hyundai will be changing anything to do with the charging or if they can do anything at all. For me I don't care that it may take an hour to charge it. In South Australia we only have one 50kw charger and for the driving I do I just don't need it. I'm sure though with the temperatures we have here it will charge a lot faster than Bjorn found it in the cold. I will give it a try one day just to see but all my charging is AC with the majority of it being excess solar from my house via a Zappi charger. The range I am getting now allows me to go wherever I want with just a possible top up on a destination charger to be sure I am charged enough to get home.
Hello Bjorn,
have you checked the tire dimension? Maybe the difference between speedometer and GPS is so big because there are 205/55/R16 tires mounted. For the new Ioniq two dimensions are allowed - 205/60/R16 (standard dimension) and 205/55/R16.
Yes, The 3% difference is exactly the 60 vs 55 for 16 inches rims.
Driving my Ioniq the LFA sometimes gives me a nasty surprise with a sudden jerk left or right in a curve (nice reminder to always keep your hands on the wheel). Might be bad road lining, don't know exactly. On highways it will probably work better.
Over 2500 (ca. 90 km/day) km my average consumption is now down to 14.5 kWh/100. Still decreasing. Driving a bit of curvy road with a lot of braking and accelerations to work, doesn't help to reduce it. But the lousy (warm) winter helps. Managed to drive 3 days commuting without charging and a bit of local. Had 4% left after 280+ km. (stupidly leftover range dissapears from the screen at 30km)
Still, rather satisfied with it. Have a home charger, otherwise it would be a pain in the neck.
Great test!
FWIW, UK MG ZSEV owners are reporting much lower charge rates - down to 11kW in some reports. No one is quite sure why.
Coldgate
@@bjornnyland Maybe. Or it could be software. It's the UK, not Norway, it's not very cold here.
i don't get the masured available energy with the zoe... having 42.5 kWh and 290km range in winter would mean the consumption was 14.65kWh/100km which is far off the consumption in the 1000km challenge (which was much higher- but also driven too fast for a good consumption). was there another video or was this measured off-screen?
Too bad the zoe doesn't have adaptive cruise, otherwise it would win in my books
Yeah, I noticed that too on sunday. Soo many Danes! They were going both towards Eiker and towards Oslo. What was going on?
Oh no, not again :-o
Why are you not calculating REAL consumption? Meaning amount of KW actually sent from the charging station divided by km?
*kWh
@@bjornnyland yes, kWh, but why you are not calculating real consumption?:)
What are the winter tire dimension on this car? Default is 205/60 R16. So I guess the winter tires fitted are larger...
the difference between 205/55 (ioniq classic) and 205/60 (facelift) are 3.35%. So he has the classic tyre on the facelift ... i had the same problem
4.4 miles per kw/hr at 1degC at 100km/hr is fantastic efficiency.
In summer I expect over 5. That's a 200 mile/300 km car.
How you can check the battery degradation on this car?
Do as Bjorn does. Drive from 100% down to very low SOC, calculate usable energy and compare to what Bjorn got here. I did this recently after 50000km and got 36.84kWh.
Still think Bjorn should have tested this car in summer and with 16" wheels. It does not like the cold very much but loves a warm day.
@@piscario7550000km okay... and how old is your Ioniq Facelift?
According to Hyundai, the Ioniq facelift had 38,3 kWh capacity when it was new.
So this means, according to You, 3,81% Degradation on the Facelift Model after 50000km and ... Years.
That sounds good.
@A.l.e.x.93 3.5 years old now. Also, you never get 38.3 out of a new car due to losses. Bjorn measured 37.5kWh when new so degredation is even better than that.
Our GOM is currently saying 389km due to our driving habits, and that is actually achievable in spring and autumn.
@björn - would you mind taking a screenshot of your firmwarepage in the car. I just got my 2020 Ioniq and so far so good, but I don't have the speed showing in the dashboard (only in satnav). Swedish premium+ version so really should be there, but no go at the moment. Even my manual says it should be there, but not showing in menus... Very annoying.
Much appreciated :-)
Great video btw (as always).
They actually made improvements on the car instead of just making a new version that looks slightly different
But sadly not the charging speed
@@arnejohansen8677 To me charging speed is like megapixels on a camera. They want to make you believe 100 is better than 25. But in reality 25 is more than enough.
@@fergus247 Take some trips which take 2-3 quick charges priced by minute of use, and suddenly those megapixels would be reeeally helpful.
@@fergus247 if you are in a hurry, or on a long trip it matters 2 me. I would have loved having more 75+ kW chargers om my summertrip with Hyundai Kona. 20 min saved on a charger is sometimes worth paying more for.
I have to admit I wanted to get an Ioniq, but after learning about how slow it is to recharge on long trips, I can't consider it. Great car for lower budgets except for that huge problem.
AWildBard Longer range means trips of 250-300km are possible, where you would have to stop in the old one, so it would be faster in those situations. Depends how often you have to rapid charge, if you are home charging mostly it is a none issue.
2:22 those are the sustainable development goals of the UN
What’s the news about IONITY chargers hiking their price up, really high, more than twice as much? I heard it from Robert Llewellyn on Fully Charged Show 2020 January update on you tube. Madness or an ulterior motive?
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Excellent car! Good shieeet 👍
I think there are wrong size tyres on your care. Those are too small. Can you maybe check whether they're in spec of the manufacturers allowed sizes?
I am debating if I will buy the one with air cooling instead of liquid. Overall, which is best you think for a family with 4?
Or do you recommend any other in the same price range?
will the liquid cooling be maintenance free as the air cooling?
Cause if it costs a lot of money to take to workshop that is not good…
I heard that the have to change the water? If so, how how Often?
Waiting for the MG ZS EV review!!
Hi Khun Bjørn, love your consumption tests and bought the Model 3 as a result. Question: did you ever do a test of how tire pressures impact consumption ? I’d be interested because I’m on 2.5 bar and my consumption is higher now...
Hi Bjorn, I'm a big fan of your channel. I would like a personal opinion. I want to buy an electric taxi car. I am not determined between Hyundai Ioniq and Vw id3. I want it to be a spacious car in the first place. Thanks
Bjorn knows his sheeeet.
Hello friend I want to ask you some questions about used Tesla on Norway can you give me where can I contact you
Love my 2017 IONIQ but I am getting an IONIQ 5.
Waiting for the Opel eCorsa it will be a great car
Hvor man kan finne store ladepllaser(mer enn 4-5 ladestasjoner) slik som den i video i Oslo område?
BTW, How much are the replacement tires for all these EV cars since mot of them are run-flat type?
They just regular tires on Hyundai EVs in North America.
A good option would be the Ampera E or Chevy Bolt EV. Longer range similar charge speed bigger battery.
Hello Bjorn can you please test Sono Motors Sion test car in Munich Germany...
It's not road legal yet. Pointless to test it on a closed parking lot.
@@bjornnyland I see, they made it to 50 million euros their crowdfunding and seems like they will make it real...and hope you could get a chance to test it...and I believe Sion will change some rules in Europe...
Are you sure that battery is líquid cooled?
You need to start doing sound system and/or headphone reviews.
Hi Bjorn, is there a obd you reccomend? I have the 38 ioniq. Thanks.
I went with the KW902 as it's the one specifically used/tested by developers of some of the popular scanning apps, and it's inexpensive.
According to ' ev-database.uk/car/1165/Hyundai-IONIQ-Electric ' the max charge rate on 50kw charger is 40kw with avg of 34kw. The charge rate max ever is 44kw on more powerful chargers. This is definitely an area hyundai should of improved on rather than downgrading. The old ioniq could reach near to 70kw. So what is the point of liquid cooling at such a low rate? The old ioniq is air cooled but produce more heat i guess at charge rates of 70kw. Seems hyundai just want more items on the vehicle description so unaware non technical (new to EV) people will purchase. I PCP my 28kw ioniq thinking in few years i just get the newer model on a trade in, since it will get better. I think I was wrong and now will be putting my hopes in the vision IV. Nice video, and I wish you all the best.
In my street there is 1 charger i tought it was just for one car. But right now 2 cars are charging 1 nissan leaf and one tesla model 3 on one little public charger. Didn't knew it was posible
Most chargers have 2 or 3 different connectors......since Leaf and Tesla also have different plugs they can be connected at the same time.....ofc charging speed is lower then.....
So if i had an ev and i want to charge . And then somebody allsow want. My charging speed is slower.. that’s stupid. What doni have to do with somebody else?
Hi Bjørn - thanks for the great videos :)
I'm a total newbie so pls don't shoot me down if this sounds stupid but do you always use the regen paddles instead of the brake pedal ? I've just ordered an Ioniq and it was a description by someone about how satisfying it was to drive only using the paddles that made my decision. I've owned some geat cars and it's so rare to find a new experience .....
2017 ioniq used to say at 100 percent 270km. I have achieved 275 before. That had 28kw battery. I don't know why this new one does only 270
270 kms in WINTER at 90km/h with the 28kWh ? In your dream dude 😂
My 38kwh at 10 degrés celsius had 330 kms of range with my WINTER tyres at 70km/h average speed
@@thibs8801 270 in the summer. Not the winter. In the summer since I bought new to around 100k km milage I got in the summer 270. In the winter at -10 or below I get 120-140 max.
@@thibs8801 it's good that it gets 330 at 10 degrees but what does it get when it's -10 or below. That's my concern. I need 200-250 range in any climate.
@@bederhajali at-10 i had easy 250 kms of range with climat at 19° on my standard road (70km/h average).
@@thibs8801 thats pretty good. I'm at 170k km now and in the summer I'm still above 220-230. Mine is 2017, had my gearbox changed and motor changed under warranty. Haven't done any maintenance on the car yet. Didn't even change the brakes.
Any chance of the e-Honda on test soon Bjorn?
Thinking to switch out my blue Ioniq 2017 with a new Ioniq 2020
☺️ As seen on your previous video, the new Ioniq is excellent value for money but unfortunately still out of reach for many new car buyers in many countries. My favourite EV now, possibly with VW id3, but both just a dream for now. Looking forward to my Citigo iv, should arrive in maybe 6 months.
Whats worse is that even with current pricing its still heavily subsidized because typically EVs are taxed less than diesel cars etc.
@@fergus247☺️ In Finland, my current petrol Citigo had about € 1200 taxes in price. My new Citigo iv has about € 500. Government EV grant reduced the price of the car by € 2000. When I closed the deal, the Citigo iv cost me roughly € 3500 more than my old petrol version. Both were new. The iv also has heated windscreen and automatic climate control as standard, so the real value difference is smaller, maybe € 2000. Citigo iv really is the first affordable EV in Finland, along with sister cars Seat Mii and VW UP. The VW is priced substantially higher, despite lacking some standard features that Skoda and Seat have. About € 5000 more price for worse overall package. And since the Seat has an estimated 21 month delivery time compared to the 6 months of Citigo, it was an easy choice.
But the old Ioniq is not to expensive as a used car, seen it for under €20k.
Less range and no app, but much faster charging.
@@Cloxxki in the uk you really have to be a bit of a mug to buy a new car as business get much better deals in the tax code making it pointless to buy a car new in the u.k unless you have a business.
@@Cloxxki ☺️ I agree. Also Skoda's version will be great deal. Although VW has announced that they will be cutting off accessories etc from Skoda to make it look more cheaper than VW. Maybe in the future there will be more choices.
In a warmer weather, do you think that it would charge faster? Thanks!
Yes
When lonched in india
Waiting for the ioniq 50 with 100kW charging speed
How much does it cost to charge at ionity charger?
About €0.79 for 1kwh around all of Europe from 31 january, if you don't own a var from one of the owners like Audi, Mercedes and some more brands and pay a montly fee.
You mixed up NOK and EUR. It's 0.79 EUR/kWh.
@@bjornnyland you are correct 😂
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Can the charge speed be fixed with a software update?
No. It's a battery design and chemistry thing. Hyundai wanted to make it cheap.
I think, the preheating of the battery could be fixed. Once it worked on the Nordkapp tour of ElectricDave.
@@franzjosefkerkhoff592 That would be great.
How is the cw-Value of this car?
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HAHAHAHA "Turtle mode! - Shiiiieeet"
Now, if only they would make a 50+kWh version, model 3 killer. For now, for me, M3 is too expensive here and I don't really like the interior design+ Tesla issues. Mayby Kia will help, releasing a smaller, more aerodynamic car then the huge wannabe offroader.
Wait, VW ID3 looks impressive on paper, and theoretically fills all the right boxes- not very expensive, not too big, has a long range option with fast charging. Remains to see if it will really be good :)
@@piciu256 hmmm the id3 long range is 4 seater, no bike rack or glass roof allowed due to weight due to cheap suspension. The first edition which is almost certainly a lot more expensive than this car, (maybe even more expensive than an E-Niro) doesn't come with park assist or dual zones climate control or lots of other standard features. After the initial batch they are going to have to sell it cheaply to keep the factory busy.
Piotr Sulej I don’t think that will happen with this platform, they’ve already pretty much maxed out on how much battery they can squeeze in (with the resulting charging compromise). No doubt if there is another Ioniq after this one it will switch to a skateboard type platform where they can add more battery.
@@onlineo2263 it's good enough for me, featureset wise at least. I don't need roof rack, it wouldn't make sense in my mind anyway, as it would lower the range considerably, no one would stop me from installing a winch rack, which has none of the issues stated. I don't see a point of glass roof.
@@amiddled ye, that makes sense, this car is not an EV designed from ground up.
ZOE should have more range. It’s got a larger battery. No adaptive cruise and small boot puts me off the ZOE.
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Hey Björn what do you think of ionity new prices? 8,70sek per kWh 😱
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Hei Bjørn, thank you for your videos, a question about low speed charging when the battery is cold, in theory the New ionic can load at 7.2 kW, but when is charging in a station at 7,2kw and the battery is vold, Will charge at 7,2kw or the speed reduction is similar (percentage) when is fast charging. Thank you!
Don't forget there might be up to several kWh in the Zoe between 99% to 100%... That might explain the difference in range. Some users have experienced it, on ma ten 1 Zoe, it takes a while to 100%, and it seems to be the same with this new Zoe. Some users have measured 3 kWh from 99 to 100%.
Was winter mode on?
Watch the video before commenting.
@@bjornnyland ? I did watch entire video, didn't catch weather it was on or is even an option on your tested car. Why you so aggressive? Genuinely asking as have the car just few days want to know how much effect it has on range/efficiency with On or Off
Sergej Grabun he said it was on during the other videos/tests but I can’t remember if he said it in this one.
Is this true ionity put their charges up by 500% 😱
Just for teslas and jags...
I dont know, I would just spend more money and get Model 3 SR+ or Kona, which is only 32 000 NOK more expensive, but much bigger range and much better charging, its really shame they made it charging so slow.
Tesla SR+ in BE is 48k euro non negotiable (no subsidies here) while in reality you can prob get a new ioniq for about half that and a used one for like 10k euro. The difference is huge. SR+ is good in Germany and US, but not worth it in many other countries.
@@swordscythe only if you have petrol or diesel car and Ioniq is you city or every day shor trip car, as only car it just sucks too much.
If I calculated correctly, 2.7 kWh is required just for the change in elevation to Geilo for this car.
700 m * 1680 kg * 9.81 m/s² = 11.5 MJ = 3.2 kWh
Bjørn Nyland Ah thanks, I based it off 600 m.
Would be nice to know your thought on the Ionity huge price increase as of end of Jan
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@@bjornnyland Thanks. Did not show up in my feed for some reason.
We don't have the Zoe or MG in Canada so shiiiiit , I will have the Ioniq (just not that color though)
the sound system; "I might show you how it sounds". Curious how he will do that.
Remember 37.5 kWh includes Regen.
Regen is of course subtracted. The lower capacity is due to winter.
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too bad the Zoe isnt available in Canada!! :(
Mike Spark Only $3000-4000 less than Kona EV, should be $5000-8000 cheaper, not very competitive.
No bug gore pwoer
You right no power
I'm fed up saying it but for the price it should be a MINIMUM battery size of 50 kw if for get it and go for a TESLA for ever all so just like Merc's, BMW, Jag and the rest TOOOO CLUTTERED TOO MANY BUTTONS
*50 kWh
50kWh means sheeeet if the efficiency is sheeeet.
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Zoe, its french and the quality and reliability isnt great, no way.
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I'm sure it is more pleasant on your butt when you have a smaller battery to range test.