Hyundai Ioniq 28 kWh 500 km challenge
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I bought ioniq classic in Ukraine for my family , very nice car , I bought it because you done full serial of Ioniq tests , thx u :)
Back in 2017 when I got my classic ioniq, in the summertime I always brought freezer elements, and small fans to feed cold air into the intake. Don't know if it helped, in my mind it helped 😊 I drove 200k in less than 3 years, one of the best cars I ever owned 👍👍
200 000km in 3 years? My god, you have my respect😁
How many faults did you have with the car in the 200k distance
@@raptorpome2577 one of the three lights indicating seat heating went wrong, warranty took care of that👍nothing else👍
Classic Ioniq videos are my favorite! Thank you Björn for good work!
Classic ENV200 videos are my favorites
I did 249 miles (400km) in my Ioniq one day last week - leaving home with 100% charge I only needed to charge once when I got where I was going - arrived with 12% after 125 miles (200km) and charged back up to 94% at a Tesla supercharger (30 minuets) and got back home with just 8 miles (12km) remaining!
A bit more than half the trip was on the motorway (70mph - 110kmh) the rest was on normal roads, probably averaging 40mph - 65kmh?
My efficiency for the whole trip was 5.4mi/kWh (11.51kw/100km).
The classic Ioniq is still awesome.
Incredible!
I’m averaging that efficiency in my 2014 i3 REx, however that is without using HVAC and 90% city driving. 😢
@@phenex551 yes, the Ioniq is SO efficient. I've had 6mi/kWh (10.36 kWh/100km) over 115 miles (185km) already this year.
I look at newer EVs with larger batteries and wonder why people are buying them? 🤪
This car will always have a special place in my heart, it was my first EV and I got it after watching some of Björn's videos on it. I will forever be grateful for that experience, as it taught me first-hand what owning an EV looks like, without much hassle, and without any issues. I hope they will find a way to fit a custom battery in it at some point, let's say 10 years time - which will be able to hold for example 50kW, charge at 100+ kW and still retain (or lose some of its) weight.
I sell my Ioniq classic to buy an e Niro 64KWh, but I still kinda miss it. Both, in my opinion, are the best BEV for reasonable prices!
Just bought myself an classic ioniq. Partly thanks to your videos!
Same here!
The Ioniq was the perfect car to become e-mobility addicted and I definitely am. The model Y was the logical successor.
Thanks for taking an Ioniq to the test again!
Best wishes, Karl.
I fully concur. I got a second hand ioniq 3 years ago and we recently swapped my wife's car to a model Y.
I cannot think of another car to swap the ioniq for. Mainly used for my 41mile (66km) daily commute.
Love your tests of these classic EVs 👍 So many aspects to discuss besides the pure fun of you challenging the old(er) tech. Never boring...
I made a tunnel out of plastic that runs cold air from the air vents on the back of the mid console into the air intake for the battery cooling. When driving, the battery cools down MUCH faster after I did that. Especially in the summer.
This one can do the 1000km in under 12,5h. Crazy for that tiny battery!
Seeing your consumption,you must be really fast. In summer time i could cool down battery by driving, but max 115km/h. Now my son is driving it 115k km. Great video. Thanks
I got this 28kw Hyundai IONIQ because of your old videos :) Thank you because it is really the best EV for the money! :)
*28 kWh
Great car! unfortunately no follow-up model from Hyundai. In 2017 we bought a classic Ioniq and it was a good choice! We still own it today!
Facelift was great as well, despite the unfortunately terrible CCS charging speed, but same low consumption and in summer 300km range.
Ioniq Classic and Ionic Facelift are to this day legend and the best you can get for your money. Ioniq Classic was the best car i have ever owned!
I have both, classic and Facelift. I am Happy with both. 😊
I drove the Ioniq Classic and now own the Ioniq 6 AWD, which is a worthy successor in terms of efficiency. It regularly stays below WLTP and I use about 14-15kWh/100km (1-2kWh more in Winter). The IOniq Classic was a fabulous car! I sold it, because it stayed 14 month at the dealer, because - as it turned out in the end - a electrical cable had a contact problem, that stranded me regularly with a check engine light and a warning not to drive any further. Hyundai spend roughly 25k€ (it was all on guarantee) for rental cars and spare parts until this was found, so I am not upset about it. The repair cost only a few Euros once the cause was actually found (real facepalm moment). But the service by Hyundai was excellent and that made me stay and buy another one.
Thanks to your tests, I bought the 2019 Ioniq, and we are still satisfied with it. great car at a good price and very economical. Many thanks for this test. Greetings from Poland
Best in class. Miss my old Ioniq Classic, probably buying some for my wife soon.
Recently I did a sort of 1000 km challenge with my little Dacia spring... The final adjusted time would be about 19 hours... The theoretical time would be about 13 but it rapidgates like a mofo... At one point it was at 60% and showing me I needed 2 more hours to get to 80%... So the moral of the story is this car shouldn't go more than about 800km in a day
Or only charge at destination chargers/at home. Seems perfect for that.
@@wocket42 yeah it's obvious you can't get the peak numbers for any length of time... You either settle for longer waiting times charging or higher consumption numbers travelling in colder times... Or not doing any long trips... I bought it for commute and for that it's fine... I really relish the ease of driving
We need more tests of used EVs! Amazing work!
„Hammering“ will never be the fastest way to move the classic Ioniq i guess. I never ever experienced overheating in 4 years driving around 110-120 on Autobahn, even on trips with 6 or more charging stops. It always took around >65kW on every stop!
Yeah I’d expect driving 110 km/h would result in overall faster time than driving 120-130 km/h with lots more charging stops required.
You should compared it with the 38kWh model because you only knew the faulty BMS version of the 38 kWh model.
They were updated! Now the 38 kWh model charging longer at 48 kW speed. The slowdown of the 48 kW Wave is later.
I got both models and i think on 500km the 38 kWh model and the 28 kWh model this would be a nice race. Especially in summer.
On longer trips I prefer the 38 kWh model in summer because it doesn't rapidgate. In winter i prefer my 28 kWh model because it doesn't coldgate.
Yes one of the reasons we opted for the 38 over the 28 here in Oz is because of the cooling. It was a good decision because we've just had the opposite of Norway's cold winter. Been over 30°C for the last 6 months and only now beginning to get cold.
While Ioniq 6 is quite efficient, I wish they'd make another full-on efficiency focused EV like the classic Ioniq.
Something below 1700 kg.
IONIQ ftw!
Let's go!!!
I am really that person: Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh I insta click :P
A funnel that moves outside air directly to the battery air cooling inlet can be Pauls next mod ;)
Someone did that already.
Efficiency King. Hyundai hit it out of the park on it's first go!
Do you have the efficiency king as a daily? I do, I drove a lot of KM's and I got a very good efficiency number, how about you?
Consumption was around 20 kWh/100km. That is not bad, but I expected less. Or was Bjorn driving 130km/h continuously?
Well, looking at the table at 31:07 it's not efficency that made Ioniq win this challenges. i3 and e-Golf are as efficent as the Ioniq and Leaf and e-Up are even more efficent. It's the bigger battery compared with relative fast charging that in the end makes the difference.
@@EinzigfreierName he drove the other cars a lot slower
@@oenkepoenke Really? Isn't the lower average speed of the other cars just because of more and longer charging stops?
The classic Ioniq was and still is a great used choice. No wonder Hyundai kept the name and spawn it into its own sub-brand today and the newer Ioniq 800V architecture still kicks arse.
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Very cool to see the classic ioniq making a comeback. We'll be going on a 1200km trip to Sweden with my 28Khw ioniq this summer, curious to see how it will go but i think we'll do alright, i've done many 'long' trips (400-500km) in this car already. Charges quick (usually a steady 70KW up to 80%) and it doesn't noticably rapidgate. If you want reduced tyrenoise: I've recently put michelin primacy 4 tyres on the ioniq and it does make a huge difference, the car is extremely quiet now. I'm surpised by the consumption though, it's pretty high. Even at 130km/h i still only consume around 17Kwh/100km
Can confirm the comment about the Primacy 4 tires. Also make sure not to inflate them too much or they’ll become noisy. 2,6 bars at 10C ambient is just about perfectly striking the balance between comfort/efficiency. Maybe 2,5 bars is better at higher temperatures (20-30C ambient) as they’ll heat up and pressure increases while driving. All pressures measured when car has been parked for a few hours in the shade of course.
Is there any Hyundai Kona 39kWh in Norway? It would be a good one for 500km challenge 😉
I really like this thing, and seeing them drop in price makes me think about getting one for my next car
Watch out for problems with the bearings on these
It would be good to be able to control the fan speed manually. It would require a deeper dive into the wiring diagram.
Heat is blown out over the right wheel well :)
Classic Ioniq content is the best!
You can remove the floor in the trunk and then you can remove the following piece. Then you see the air channel outlet to understand where the air goes.
Are you going to do the 500km with a Mini Cooper S E? It is basically a front wheel drive i3 but from owners I know with both an i3 and an electric Mini the Mini is more efficient despite being heavier but it has a more aerodynamic shape.
Great channel! Considering buying a 38KWh classic Ioniq in the UK (3-4 years old, around 30k miles) as I dont want an SUV EV - increasingly difficult to avoid nowadays! Is it still relevant in 2024 or do I hold out until MG4s (for example) become more common on the 2nd hand car market? What a conundrum!
Which is better the E-Golf 2017-2019 or the Ioniq 2018?
I did a 547km road trip 3 years ago in our 2017 28kWh Ioniq. We managed to do it with 4 stops to charge, but our road speeds are much lower at 100kph max. Over the 547km we did 1hr 10mins of charging abd 6hrs driving.
How about the drive unit issue ? Is it still expensive to change the faulty drive unit ?
The air flow from the cabin is weird in this car, in mine I took apart the rear to see what the vent in the middle of the trunk does, it is likely the exhaust for all the ioniq variants, but is somewhat useless in the electric version because it’s preferable to exhaust more of the cabin air through the battery to condition it, and there is no short cycling into the cabin via the rear exhaust. I blocked mine and filled it with insulation, now in winter the trunk is no longer frozen solid, and with a thermal camera I noticed air now exits via the seatbelt upper holes in addition to battery, which is preferable for the rear passengers anyway.
With these "lilli-butt"-battery classics the outside temperature has a huge effect on the consumption. I have to test this challenge with my 24kWh eGolf.
Yeah seems a bit unfair to the other cars as the Ioniq was tested at temperatures +10C higher. Still would have been faster but maybe not by as much.
There is nothing to fix. If you drive this car @110km/h, no rapid gate, no crazy consumption. Yes, you lose a few minutes on a 500km trip, but it costs way less and the car is not being stressed so hard. I don't get the point of consuming 200Wh/km on an Ioniq and charge every 100km. This is no real usecase.
Incorrect. You lose a lot of time if you drive that slow.
@@bjornnyland If I calculate a trip in a better route planner from Frankfurt to Hamburg, which has a length of nearly 500km, I get the following results with the Ioniq28:
Travel time @ max. 150km/h: 5h 26m with 4 charging stops and 190Wh/km (95,8kWh spend in 503km). With 110km/h I get 5h 49m with 3 charging stops and 141Wh/km (70,7kwh spend in 502km). 25kWh less equals to roughly 15,5€ on long trips in Germany, as an exchange for 23 minutes. This equals to a salary of net 40€ per hour. Most people do not earn 40€/h net in Germany. 23 Minutes....thats 6,6% of total trip duration. So, I would rather prefer to travel with 110km/h on long trips with the Ioniq and get for my both children a big icecream for the saved energy cost.
@@bjornnyland Oh, thats weird, I just wrote you a non offensive answer in order to explain, that for a real trip from Frankfurt to Hamburg you only save 23 minutes by driving max. 150km/h instead 110km/h as an exchange for 15,5€ of energy cost difference. All calculated with abetterroutplanner with details. But somehow my response is gone...or 'g..o..n'.
I hope, that I'm only blind and not able to find it anymore.
Bolt EV/Opel Ampere-e would be cool to see you test again
What about testing 38kwh ioniq?
Yeah, it was a great car. Still miss it sometimes. 82km/h avg. is pretty much as fast as it gets on long distance, very little potential for optimisation left. Also speed doesn't make a big difference. Anything between 100-130km/h will yield the same 80-83km/h avg.
Another great video on the classic Ioniq. As a side topic I whantede to ask a question to Björn and others that watchs the video: does everyone have a knowledge if there's Ioniqs equipped with a dieselheater (gasoline or ethanol would do as well)? With such aquipment a car with this small battery would be more suitable for the hash winters in this part of the word. A 3-4 kW heater would be enough to keep the cabin warm enough to not spend energy from the main battery. Sutch a heater would only consume 0,2-0,3 liters/hour ( read per 100 km), that is ca 1/20 of an dieselcar. Please let me know!
Does it have 17 rims? It's more efficient with 16 😁 better consumption and less rapid gate
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Wie hoch war der Reifendruck? Ich habe die Erfahrung gemacht, das 2,8 bar optimal zwischen Komfort u effizients ist. Bei drei bar sind die Abrollgeräusche der Reifen schon sehr laut und jede kleinere Unebenheit ist dann zu spüren.
Also bei 2,8 bar habe ich ein Verbrauch um 11 kWh/100 km bei Temperaturen um 20° plus und Tempo 115 kmh GPS
Noch nie hatte ich ein Verbrauch über 18 kWh/100 km. Selbst im Winter bei Minusgraden nicht!
Habe ich das etwa falsch verstanden, mit dem Verbrauch von über 21 kWh/100 km, in dem 500 km Test?
Auch die Ladegeschwindigkeit ist bei meinem ioniq VfL fast immer über 65 kW bis etwa 77%
Dann fällt die Geschwindigkeit sehr langsam auf 50 kW bei etwa 87%
Was ich bestätigen kann, ist die Temperatur des Akkus und die Geschwindigkeit des Lüfters zur Kühlung.
Mein ioniq VfL hat ebenfalls 70.000 km gelaufen.
my first EV car, the best for me...
I tend to think, they did it on purpose. Though there's a drawback: the motor / gear noise and the fact that the definitive solution is not clear. It affects Kona and Niro too
keen to know whats the degradation, would be great if you can show the energy.
As you mentioned.. I would love to see you testing the i3 120Ah. version with the 500 km challenge You never tested it during summer anyway . Could you? Anyway, an amazing result of the ionic!! Do you know what the battery degradation is of this car? It must be very good I assume!
I like my ioniq but I don't like the reduction gearbox bearing failure 🙁
Oh😮😮 i have never seen a broken cabel at the SuC.
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Please make a 75D Test
Put an open freezer near the air intake :D
Hyundai is great.
This car seems to rapid gate a lot strangely. My classic hyundai ioniq almost never rapid gate and when it rapid gate, at the next charging stop it already don't rapid gate anymore
The 38kWh ioniq with Nice température can challenge the 28kWh ioniq on 500kms.😊
Way slower charging.
You could go a bit further before having to stop, but you would still need to charge twice in 500km and I think you would be plugged in for close to 90 minutes. Bjorn only has to stop 3 times for a total of around 60 minutes with the 28.
@@bjornnyland i know but 10kWh extend battery capacity, with a departure at 100%, on 500kms, i think the final time will close between 28 vs 38.
@@FFVoyager at 215Wh/km (which I think is high) you need 108 kWh. That's not economic with 2 charges on the 38kWh as charging to 100% takes many hours. You need three at 33 or more minutes each (charging up from 5 to 55-60%).
Hm, something doesn't add up if he only charged 28+2x22,5= 95 kWh in total. What do I miss?
I dont know Bjørn, i have a Ioniq with 132.000km on the clock but i think this Ioniq consumption is high. Touch the rear Breaks and feel if they are hot. Because mine had defective rear Breaks and similar consumption above 20 Wh/km
You didn't drive that fast and it wasn't that cold.
@@bjornnyland We can Drive 130 on Autobahn in Austria and 12 degrees is not that cold. I say ABC Always be Controlling.
Can someone explain the rapid gate @23 min? Almost same power as when Bjørn left for food. Voltage up, current down but power is the same. P=UxI.
Curren is supposed to be 173 A.
Heh, how does the 38kWh Ioniq handle the 500km challenge. I guess you'd charge from 10-60% giving you around 6:30?
I really hope to see the 36KW UP in this challenge
Isn't the speed a bit high for optimal time with that charging power?
General rule of thumb is to hammer it as long as charging speed is higher than discharging speed.
At 220 Wh/km and 125 km/h, average discharge is 27.5 kW only. And charging speed is 55-60 kW.
Always bring yor Salad 😂
Bjorn, why you did not go with 22kW charger in the garage? Then you would had 32A (7,4kW) on single phase.
More expensive with thicker wires. And then the fuse needs to be for 22 kW which means I can't have 3x22 kW Easee there. Since I most cars today supports 11 kW, 22 kW is overkill. And only a few older cars support 1-phase. In those cases, 25 A with the transformer is already good enough. That's 78 % of the maximum power.
Wait, Bjørn. How can you charge at V4? I can't charge my Ioniq at V3.
You can! I charged my IONIQs on V2 V3 V4.. on V3 you should make a little bit of adjustments on your charging port. "Dremel time" I would call it.
V4 works for everyone, very easy. For V3 you may need to fiddle with the charging plug so it fits below the LED in the port. It worked for me for my FL fine a couple of times. But not every Ioniq port may be the same
@@wocket42 Was this in the EU? I will try tomorrow at a Tesla V3 destination, just fiddle after you select the charger in the Tesla App, right?
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@@bjornnyland I checked that 3times. Can't really sure which one would be the right one. :(
Only some discount links, repair shops, Tesla stuff, app, you're gear, OBD, etc.
I would like to see Zoe and one of the triplets ;)
Hopefully you can still check out Cybertruck for interior review soon
The ioniq bms was probably optimised for 50kw fast chargers
Maybe
IONIQ FTW!!! Why do you not fire the airco and freeze the cabine for battery cooling?
No need to. Opening the doors is plenty. AC would also suck more power.
Env200 40kWh for the win 😂
I didnt understand this. I drove a ioniq a view years and wonder why is your consumption so high? I get never over 20 kWh.
Same here, seems odd. My 2019 on stock rims and tires gets about 150Wh/km at 110kmh. Even on 18" Rays CE28 with 235 wide performance tires, highway consumption is still only about 190Wh/km.
You didn't drive at speed limit + VAT?
@@bjornnyland Normally at German Autobahn with 120-130 kmh. I also tested some times full throttle. Then the battery was empty after 100 km and the Gom says around 25-26 kWh. I make also holiday drives across Europe and then the consumption was so 15-16 kWh. But I never see in normally life over 20 kWh.
@@martink.9442 same here.
I will make soon the same challenge with my classic Ioniq from 2017 and 163.000km!!! I will make a video for my channel
Do the 38kwh version also...pretty please
He has done 1000 km challenge with 38 kWh. It took several hours longer than the 28 kWh
@@larsenpetter He had done the test with the 38kwh whitout the BMS update I think. I own a 2022 38kwh Ioniq and it has a much better charging speed that the one in his video...
@@ConstantinBanciu what charging speed do you get? EVdatabase says 44kw max with a 36kw average
Last time I got 49kwh for around 10 minutes.
Still pales in comparison to the 28kWh Ioniq which averages 65kW between 10-80%
It doesn't charge fast enough. My ioniq charges much faster than this. On a Tesla charger, it charges 69 kW between 65-78%. Most likely, there is newer software on it. No car charges as fast as my ioniq. It's weird because mine doesn't even heat up that much.
When you compare older EVs you should compare same generations/year therefore its more fair to compare the Ionic to a 2017 I3 or golf. Keep up testing older evs.
As already mentioned in the video, they still can't beat Ioniq.
i think they are better in some areas even if the Ionic beat them on range/time, but it will be a more fair comparison@@bjornnyland
@@andders2477 in what way do you think they are better?
Mines says 251km at 100%
U need to drive your Ioniq above 45km/h :D
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Airplugs😂
Hyundai was plain stupid for killing the Ioniq off too early
No, it was logical. Nobody bought it by the time it was discontinued.
@@adrianguggisberg3656Good car but battery prices where too high at the time. Way to glaze over that fact though
@@samusaran7317 It was a brilliant car in its day. I bought one in 2017 and kept it 5 years, and I still miss it sometimes. Range aside, it still beats most current EVs overall. And it's extremely well made, durable and reliable. Mine didn't need a single repair or spare part outside of wiper blades, cabin air filters and tires in 5 years and 250'000km.
Ioniq was faster than the others because your average speed was a lot higher and the temperature was warmer
Average speed is including charging stops. Driving speed was the same as i3. e-Golf had to drive slower due to rapidgate.
Copper cables are now being stolen from public EV chargers in the UK…….😫😫😫
One or two have been - I don't think it's a crime wave. Yet.
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Onlyfans would likely be way more energy efficient compared to opening the window.
I didn't keep the window open.
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