Tesla Phantom Braking on Road Trips
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It still happens. I just got phantom breaking happened to me. 80km/h to 10 very quickly. Luckily no car behind me.
Needs one of those big yellow OSHA stickers on the back window:
CAUTION THIS VEHICLE MAKES SUDDEN AND FREQUENT STOPS 😂
Yes please don't tailgate
We drove our 2022 Tesla Long-Distance Model 3 from Albuquerque, NM to Arlington, TX this month. It was our first long distance trip in the car. We had numerous phantom braking incidents and they were pretty scary. It didn't matter if we were driving with advanced cruise control or auto pilot. I reported it to our Tesla Service Center and got a reply from the Tesla Remote Diagnostics Team saying there were no "hardware faults" detected in our car. I reported it to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration because I think my car is dangerous and I think Tesla needs to address this issue.
It's not dangerous, you just need to always be paying attention to the road, even when you have the car on auto-pilot. If you get into an accident while using auto-pilot, the accident is YOUR fault, it's not the fault of the car.
I have a 2018 Model 3 and have had a few situations of phantom breaking...when this happens, I immediately put my foot on the acceleration pedal to bring the car back up to normal speed.
We do the same but having your car randomly slam on the brakes can potentially be dangerous if someone is tailgating you and not paying attention. Overall, I would much rather have a car that does not randomly phantom brake while in cruise control when there are no visable objects in front of the vehicle.
Hopefully a software update will resolve this issue in the very near future.
@@GoLongAmericaphantom braking is very dangerous. What happens if you’re being responsible and eyes are on the road, but your brakes slam going from 80 to 60 when someone is tailgating? Happens to me several times a day on the highway in the exact same spots here in Florida. It’s a major issue, even if you’re driving responsibly. My Toyotas do NOT do this on cruise control and you would think the safest car on the road could fix this.
@@GoLongAmerica BS it isn't dangerous. I've been passing a truck on the Sydney to Melbourne freeway with someone right up my arse wanting to pass me. AP slammed on the regen/brakes when it saw a CROSS ROAD. My right foot was hovering over the accelerator pedal just in case... and it was quickly used. If not I would have been hit, BAD. Re the cross road, it was just like the case years ago when someone ran under a white semi trailer, except in this case, the camera could only see 'half' of the cross road. Scary shit mate.
Thanks for your video. I've this phantom braking on my road trip today multiple times on a highway with very light traffic. No car around me within 200 yards, just nothing on the road except us. I set max to 70m on speed limit 65m. The speed dropped to 50-60m multiple times and I've to step on the pedal to speed it back.
Were you able to pinpoint what may have caused your phantom braking?
I've been driving a Tesla since 2015. My 2015 Model S had the Mobileye camera system and I never had an issue with phantom braking. I only started experiencing phantom braking when driving later models (2018 M3, 2022 MY) using their in-house solution after Mobileye ended their partnership. There's no rhyme or reason when it happens. Just like in your video, it happens on clear sunny days with no vehicles or other obstructions around.
Exactly right. Rented a 2023 M3 from Hertz last week. On a trip down I-70 Kansas to Colorado, first time driving a Tesla, 20+ brake slams in one day! Rough roads, smooth roads, nothing in sight. No tumbleweeds, shadows from overpasses, nothing. I had read about phantom braking before, just didn't know it was so common or what to do when it happens. Hertz, in my view is negligent to not even mention it to its customers. I will continue to just rent and not own until this issue is resolved. And for those that claim it never happens to them, they better carry fresh panties in the glove box just in case!
After further research we have concluded the mirages on the horizon are the culprit. When it is overcast, we do not experience any PB.
Tesla phantom brakes is real issue.
@@sunchiadventures I've had heaps of PB's with no mirages in sight. In fact I have NEVER seen a mirage during a PB.
Interesting to know they changed camera systems
"Then they would get break check pretty hard" 0:30 🤣🤣🤣
It's can be scary when it happens.
We have had our MYLR for just short of 3 months. Have driven it on a couple long trips back and forth from Santa Fe NM to Las Cruces NM. Most of that time is on I-25. The Phantom Braking has been UNACCEPTABLE! Driving it home to Las Cruces from our delivery at the Nambe Falls service center we got hard checked 5 times with no visible reason. From my research I was familiar with the issue but still was shocked at how hard and frequent it was. Just did another round trip from Las Cruces to Colorado Springs and had several hard checks both ways including some scenic routing via Alamosa. So far the only commonality is that the most of these hard checks happened with the sun higher in the sky. This is when mirages are most prevalent. One other scenario that might be related is when in rolling hills where you crest one and then there is another crest that isn't too far in the distance and a mirage in the valley. At least this is something we noticed a couple of times where we crested and got hard checked.
One other observation after a lot of configuration changes. IMO, the phantom braking is a function of the Traffic Aware Cruse Control (TACC) and not (at least primarily) the auto pilot. We have had hard checks with everything else turned off and only on TACC. That means I turned off emergency braking, Auto Steer Beta, and FSD vision.
Sometimes it makes me wish I still had my Chevy Bolt EUV Premier. While the Super Cruise availability wasn't as expansive, it didn't cause unsafe, unpredictable braking. It also auto initiated super cruise after a lane change unlike the the Tesla that requires you to engage it. And...the nanny feature of the Tesla is more than annoying. The Bolt used a camera on the steering column and as long as you didn't look away for too long or cover your face with your cell phone it never nagged you. Who else is developing the "Tesla Twitch" (my phrase) after driving a long distance. LOL
I hear ya, I wish/hope we get some kind of update to resolve this issue. Also, I was going to do a video showing how well autosteer works, but the dayum steering wheel nag was happening so often it was annoying.
I went on a couple of road trips in June and July of this year and each one had several instances of severe phantom braking (2020 Model Y). I usually keep my foot near the accelerator pedal just so I can jump on it and speed back up.
The road trip I did in late August went perfectly! I'm not sure if I just got lucky or if a recent software update fixed the issue; But I hope it stays this way.
Oh wow, that is awesome news. No more phantom braking would be ideal, congrats.
Don't worry, it will bite you eventually, right on your butt !!! ;-)
@@greghudson9717 Just went on a 500 mile trip a couple of weeks ago with only one instance of minor phantom braking. It was in a construction zone though and the cones were getting pretty close, so I think that's what set it off. It slowed down by 5mph then sped back up shortly after. Not really anything to complain about.
@@seanplace8192 G'Day Sean. Braking for traffic cones is a semi-correct thing to do, so it's not really phantom braking as such. Annoying yes, but it happens for a valid reason IMO. It has also happened to me with cones... Regards, Greg.
I have had similar issues with my 2022 Tesla Model Y. However mine have usually been shadows from a bridge or trees. It has also happened to me when I've been tailgated - that was very unpleasant, and required a mash of the accelerator pedal.
Yikes! This is why tailgating should not happen. I hate it when someone tail gates me.
@@sunchiadventures Something I learned a while ago to help prevent people running in to you when stopped during roadworks etc... If you are the LAST car in the queue, leave a substantial gap to the car in front AND turn on your HAZARD LIGHTS. If someone pulls up behind you, you can switch the hazards off. The button is overhead near the mirror (for those that have never used it). In fact, here's an idea for Tesla... When a PB (or sudden deceleration occurs), SWITCH THE HAZARD LIGHTS ON AUTOMATICALLY. That might help the people behind ? Comments anyone ?
I just pick up my M3 3 days ago, very existed to try autopilot..
But in about 10 miles drive, I had few scary Phantom brakings... and I really worry being rear ended or cause brake pad wear out faster (if regen brake is not enough), hope all these phantom braking issue will go away.
I hope so as well. We notice it is caused from the mirages on the horizon that are about 3/10 of a mile out, really annoying.
Try going to the pedals and steering settings and turn on trailer mode. That fixed it for a RUclipsr I just watched. Sounds like a reasonless theory too.
You could turn off emergency braking during autopilot and set warnings to early. That seems to fix it too as long as you’re not asleep at the wheel.
I tried turning off the emergency braking and set the warning to early during the summer and PB still occurred. But luckily we have not had any PB during these winter months.
As a fellow EV owner, I've heard a lot about Tesla "phantom braking", but I always assumed it was when other cars were passing, or bridge underpasses, or... anything but a simple, straight, "normal" highway.
How do you owners accept this?! I'd be reporting this to NHTSA every time. :(
The car drives great but when this does happen it makes your road trip driving a bit annoying.
@@sunchiadventures I see you only have 5500km under your belt... I have 27,000km in 14 months - hence the several hundred PB's I have experienced. Most of my driving has been on highways.
@@greghudson9717 our second MYP just passed 10k miles and our first one had 3k before we sold it back to Tesla.
Not uncommon. Mercedes and BMW reads signs from connecting roads or even small signs that are speed stickers on semis in Europe and brake hard.
My 23 m3 also has this. It did it twice today. When i first got the car autopilot worked flawlessly but idk since a few updates its not as reliable now. I had to intervene a few times today when it did not make a few bends on the highway.
Yikes that can be scary. Autosteer works great most of the time for us, except the phantom braking issue here and there.
@@sunchiadventures I tried turning off auto steer (beta), but it made no difference. The only time I have NOT had PB's is when autopilot is not turned on, which defeats the purpose of having cruise control IMO
@@greghudson9717 we have experienced PB during both autopilot and TACC. Interesting you are experiencing it only with autopilot.
@@sunchiadventures TACC? Traffic Aware Cruise Control? If you mean pressing the right stalk once, that is still AP, but without the (beta) auto steer, which required (until recently, with a new option) a double tap on the stalk.
That's crazy. Imagine this happening in Germany going 200kmh
yikes that would suck bad
I doubt the camera / software would be able to keep up to the data flow at 200kph, and would probably NOT cause a PB (but this is purely conjecture from another Tesla owner who has had several hundred PB's over 14 months)... I do a lot of long distance driving.
@@greghudson9717 my BMw's adaptive cruise control has 0 issues at 170km/h. TESLA's is just abhorrent in their apparent inability to fix a major issue, especially of what it was marketed as a spearheading tecnological development.
Active cc is limited to 150 kmh
I drove a model Y from Winnipeg to Montreal, the first time I experienced phantom breaking was on a straight empty highway, the tesla slammed on its breaks forcing the semi to violently swerve to avoid killing me. Don't listen to these owners saying its "fine" they are just trying to justify paying 70-100,000 for a broken piece of junk. you can literally with a child's effort rip off the interior on the windshield pillar. DANGEROUS JUNK. the phantom braking happened about 20 times on that trip but after the 1st time I no longer trust the lane keep and pacing feature. NOT EVEN THE FULL AUTO DRIVING
Sorry to hear that mate, were you able to identify the reason for the phantom braking? We noticed ours occurs when the sun is high and there is a mirage on the road. No mirages and the car drives great without any phantom braking occurances.
no, recalibrated sensors to no avail. will brake during the day in a variety of conditions as well as night. Where I was traveling had majority of it as two way traffic and in between lots of rock cuts. maybe not enough data in the remote lactations of the great lakes?@@sunchiadventures
@@andrewfriesen6319 have you reached out to Tesla with any of these concerns/issues?
@@sunchiadventures I might, but there could be repercussions ?
I have the same issue, I can't even use it on the highways in Denmark... It emergency slams the breaks, atleast 3-5 times within 25km(15.5miles) at the freeway. Ive tried a couple of times where it reads another speed sign, into abruptly changing the speedlimit from 130 km/h(80mph) all the way to 60 km/h(37mph). It sucks
We notice it happens when there is a mirage on the road ahead. It is abosolutely annoying when it happens.
I was on the freeway no cars in front of me, no cars on the sides of me a few cars in my rear. Directly behind and one a few on the right and left and the car just slammmed on the brake in autopilot mode. almost causing an accident. Autopilot is not safe, and its scary
It is really scary when it does not work, but it works pretty good when it does. Luckily we have not experience phantom braking as of the last 3k miles so autopilot has been working as it should.
I experienced this while test driving a Model X, there was nothing on the road but the car slammed on the brakes and didn´t respond to me flooring it, luckily the Semi truck behind me was quite far away but if it had been close to me, I probably wouldn't be typing this today.
That’s some scary stuff
This is a class action waiting to happen
Yea it's scary if someone is tailgating you for sure.
Without doubt
@@sunchiadventuresIt’s already killed somebody and they weren’t even tailgating.
My new 2023 model y phantom brakes, wrongly detects lanes when approaching a merge lane, and the cameras are not able to detect distances correctly when parking. Tesla techs tell me these are known issues that need future software updates. But, I’m frustrated enough after 3 months to take a $13,000 hit when I trade it in for a better designed non-Tesla car.
What are you going trade it in for?
I've had it happen during a lane change where there was a car behind me in the lane I was changing into. It was as if the car was brake checking the guy behind me. Really freaking dangerous.
Yikes that’s a major issue. To be honest we haven’t had sudden phantom braking in a long time. So I am hoping Tesla has addressed this concern in one of the updates.
Happens to me daily now. Not comfortable to use it as before.
I notice it happens on super sunny days when there is are mirages on the horizon.
That's not annoying, that's terrifying
100% when it happens. Luckily as of late, we have not experienced any phantom braking on our road trips.
Annoying, terrifying, and standard issue for most Tesla drivers. And it is NOT limited to mirages either.
My Model 3 less than a week old, happened to me a few times already. I hope Tesla fixes this as well, very annoying.
I've posted about it on different forums and some people say they never get phantom braking, I wish this were the case but this is a real issue espcially on road trips. When did yours occur?
They are constantly changing the autopilot. Fixing one thing, but breaking another. It's a endless circle. Model 3/Y don't have proper sensors, only vision
@@Lascarnn this issue still happened on the Model X we were driving for 2 month with the USS.
I wonder if those instances and videos get automatically reported to Tesla or if there is a way to do it. Without that data I don't expect much improvemet in the future
I certainly hope so as well. I haven't had any PB during autumn and winter months, so hopefully it is a thing of the past.
Another video I watched showed that the cameras are seeing mirages on the road. Every time they spotted one on the road in the distance the car braked. It was a similar environment to this one. I wonder if the camera is seeing a mirage in this case the the human eye cannot detect.
We believe it is due to mirages on the road with our vehicle. Have not had any PB during these winter months in the desert.
I wish Tesla provided an option for passive cruise control, as their active one is crap and probably will always be.
Active CC, auto high beam and auto wipers ARE the 3 unresolved problems of Tesla and there doesn't seem to be an improvement since I bought my M3 (in 2019) despite countless software updates
The wipers are still an issue for use once in a while. The nag is what kills me.
Tesla could have fixed this a long time ago; all that's needed is to add a lidar sensor. But because Elon Musk is principled jerk, he refuses to do this. Tesla relies solely on cameras, and this problem always occurs on absolutely all Teslas in hot weather. The issue is that their cameras cannot distinguish a mirage from a real object.
I just bought a 2018 model 3, and it does the same. I tried FSD for two weeks, and it doesn't have a phantom break issue.
This is great to hear.
No PB's? Well you are either lucky as, or haven't been driving in conditions where it happens. IMO.
Which software version it was on? Was the video done recently? (ie. last few months?)
Some Tesla fanboys were really sure that it isn't happening anymore, but I was skeptical about it. Good video
This video was shot just over a week ago, latest software version 2023.26.7
@@sunchiadventuresI'd be curious to see this test again on fsd
Do you have access to fsd beta
(I do also get random phantom breaking occasionally) but I'm surprised to see it on the super wide open road
@@ghfghf7 unfortunately I do not have FSD, would love to try it with FSD.
@@sunchiadventuresjust picked up my 2023 M3P so I have the three month trial of FSD. Have to say FSD does it even more than cruise control and auto steer. Slammed on the brakes and took me from 80 to 40 in an 80 zone on a clear sunny day. I disabled FSD then and there, would not pay even $50 extra for that unsafe garbage. Overall love the car though so sure hope they figure this out
@@sunchiadventures I have 2023.38.6 and PB is still happening frequently. 7 PB's over 2.5 hour drive just a few days ago.
Don't trust autopilot; it's not safe. The vehicle doesn't brake in time, hitting obstacles at full speed of 70 mph without braking!
Auto pilot actually works really well. Just phantom breaks once in a long while.
On my MS and MX this happens when using the lane assist. Annoying. I don’t use the Autopilot anymore.
After further testing, it appears that mirages on the road cause phantom braking to happen in our MYP
@@sunchiadventures I have had what I call 'micro phantom braking' as well as the normal PB. MPB has happened on a 2 lane road with shade from a tree, then sun, another tree, sun etc etc. 5 'micro' PB's in a row that I counted. The sun was high in the sky, but behind me slightly. AP was ON, but not auto steer. The MPB's were so slight someone might not have even noticed them, but I was concentrating really hard, waiting for the next full PB that I could 'feel' these minor braking events happening through my seatbelt. Most people would not even know it was happening, but I bet other people have felt it as well as me... I can't be the only one... I'm installing a roof mounted dash cam so I can record the speed differentials on the screen. Comments on MPB's anyone ?
Fast forward to v12. Finnally this has been resolved!
We have not experienced phantom braking while using V12.3.3.
I have plenty of phantom braking even on v12. Really scary
@@biggabigga in the city or highway? Highway doesn't use v12 yet
@@biggabigga It truly is.
It just needs a quick breaking recharge
Random regen
Whas it fixed? And does Teslas have just simple cruise control (without any auto-braking)?
Have not experienced it during these winter months. We shall see what happens when summer hits and the mirages come back.
@@sunchiadventures what about simple cruise control without these "smart" features?
They have basic cruise control as well, it’s called traffic aware cruise control.
@@sunchiadventures no, I mean real basic "NOT traffic-aware" cruise control, that is not using brakes and steering by any means
@@gorovitz there isn’t a basic cruise control where the car only drives the set speed. TACC will apply brakes depending on traffic. AND then when you engage autopilot, it steers the car to keep you centered and veer as needed.
Has anyone experience PB while on cruise control as opposed to autopilot?
We have experienced it happening in both cruise control as well as auto steer.
Tesla's don't have a cruise control as such. AP has 2 settings, and PB happens with both of them. The only way to eliminate the PB events is not to use AP (from my experience). My wife NEVER uses AP, and has never had a PB event.
We bought a Model 3 a month ago with several trips on Interstates. I have not experienced PB. There have been some PB like events when around traffic on FSD (3 months free). But pure PB? No.
@@Ponderosa5678 that’s awesome. We haven’t experienced it in the last couple months either. Fingers crossed for no more PB.
Today January 31 2024 model 3 2023 my wife just had the car stop by it self even without using autopilot nothing just driving in town, she is fricking upset because I pushed and pushed to buy this car, now Im afraid to take to the service tesla center because I installed a simple mini display so you can see the regular information in front of you, you know those hanshow ones, now Im afraid they will blame it on the aftermarket part, even If I remove the display the computer on wheels will tell the service tech I played with it's harness obviously all is recorded in the car computer.... Im starting to regret buying this car....suggestions please!!
Can you explain a little bit more about your wife's situation? What do you mean by just stopped on it's own, was her foot on the accelerator at the time? or?
@@sunchiadventures she was slowly applying the breaks getting close to a stop light when the car brake pedal went all the way in by it self and abruptly stopped 100%, the seat belt activated and that was it, she just heard the big fricking Tahoe driving behind her, the lady driving the big SUV thank GOD stopped in time, my wife say few inches from crashing, then she drove again like nothing happened, the car has not done it again, Im vigilant, if it does it again, I will have to remove the hanssow mini display to take it to the Tesla Service center so they can see what the heck is going on, we don't even use Autopilot....
@@TheMELTDOWN911 I’m sorry to hear this. I hope it doesn’t happen again.
Yes, please fix this Tesla!
Got caught in a pileup and the front vehicle was a Tesla! Totaled my truck and everyone else's vehicle behind it. Is there an decent attorney experienced with this issue?
Yikes that’s what I fear most.
Only when auto steer is on?
happens with both TACC and autosteer.
Nope. PB's happen on BOTH modes of auto pilot.
Man, i was about to buy a tesla, but this video is fully steering me away from it :/ is it that particular road that its common or is it like this on all road trips?
We noticed that it happens when there is a mirage on the horizon that causes the phantom braking to occur.
Is it Tesla 3 without radar with only Tesla Vision?
Model Y Performance with Tesla Vision only.
Model Y SR with Vision only. No radar.
I'm sure the Diversion Team will chime in here any moment...
It there really a team that does this?
@@sunchiadventures This was big news the other day. There is an internal Diversion Team that is tasked to convince owners that minor issues are not worth perusing at the service center.
@@bobbbobb4663 Ah gotcha.
I get this daily - its insane.
Also it reads exit signs (which im not using) which drop me from 110k+ down to 50!! stupid, should be illegal and disabled. Safer to drive yourself or have dumb cruise control - vision only / no radar is clearly not up for the task.
It definitely gets annoying pretty quickly.
@@sunchiadventuresI've only done 5500 kms, but i get phantom breaking + Speed sign mis-reads so often........ its just not safe. Let alone the issues with "Lane Keep assist" deciding to put the car towards barriers/heavy vehicles/trees over the road / parked vehicles!
@@snip3d auto steer tends to hug the center line instead of the outer line so I find myself pulling the wheel to the right.
TOTALLY AGREE about "dumb cruise control". My previous Bolt allowed you to run CC with and without the adaptive feature. If I could just have CC without the traffic awareness feature I think I would be happier. As I said in another post, I believe the phantom braking is part of the TACC setting and not the auto pilot.
Why hasn't Tesla found the problem yet?
I am not sure, it sucks when it happens
Why wouldn’t you take this back to Tesla to fix it, and if they don’t put it under lemon law and get another one
Autopilot functions extremely well 98% of the time. We have not had a phantom breaking issue during the fall and winter months, will report back after summer hits to see if the problem persist. There have been a number of over the air updates, so we shall see
That is a pretty sizeable brake check by the Tesla yikes. Not like complete stop bad but still could fuck up a tailgater behind you
Absolutely, tail gators 🐊 beware.
I saw a video of a PB happening to a woman (filmed live by a TV crew) and she didn't stomp on the gas to get out of the problem, she BRAKED to a complete stop (because it surprised her and she didn't know what to do) - all in the middle lane on a freeway. Scary stuff.
Currently It's still Driver assistance tech, not drive for you tech.. it will get better with time.
Phantom brake may be an annoyance but is not a real issue because the correct way to use any system is to be ready to take over at any time.
User in this video should be driving with foot touching accelerator just as they would as if not using system and cruising with no obstructions on road, if unnecessary braking occurs accelerator should be pressed not allowing significant slow down. Problem is ppl using these assistance systems inappropriately by not taking over when it doesn't perform flawlessly and complaining - which only builds negativity around such systems that ultimately are great at helping us on long trips. Companies will not continue to invest time and money into perfecting the tech if low IQ users build mass hysteria over being annoyed by having to still drive while these systems are assisting
We need FSD to be solved already.
I disagree. I have been using cruise control for years in 10 different cars, and NEVER had any phantom braking. The cameras SUCK at what they are seeing IMO.
"it will get better with time" should be Tesla's motto
Teslas have horrible quality
The tech is pretty good but the fit and finish needs some work.
@@sunchiadventures I assume you are not driving a chinese built Tesla then ? Build quality is superb on my chinese built Model Y SR.
@@greghudson9717 funny how China was know for cheap crap and now the Chinese Teslas are built better than the American made ones. I live in the US so I have an American made Tesla. Where are you located?
@@sunchiadventures I am in Australia. I have had HUNDREDS of PB events. On a recent 7500km trip I experienced approximately 1 PB every 100km on average (guesstimate). That's around 150 PB's just on that trip alone. Interestingly, I did the same trip in a 1.4 litre petrol powered Kia in 2022 using cruise control, never even had a hint of a PB - makes you think doesn't it. BTW, the Kia cost $1800 in petrol, the Model Y was just under AU$400 for the same trip.
Never buy anything from Elon Musk!
That's gonna be tough in the very near future.
Teslas are amazing vehicles idk what your talking about
@@birdknowledge1388 I concur but the phantom braking needs to be resolved.
Why not? They sell excellent tequila (I bought some) ! ;-)
@@birdknowledge1388🗑
Here’s a question. Who the F gave Tesla Autopilot a driver’s license??
Haven’t had a PB incident since summer. We have concluded that this happens when there is a mirage on the horizon.