This is Why Kobe is Top 3 ALL-TIME
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Playing man defense is harder than team defense.
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@@fadercreek🤡🤡
@@Abbad1579 hater
Thank u😂 he said Kobe stepped up to every challenge… like ppl literally give Bron a pass for doing everything offensively but slacking on defense… but Kobe slacking on TEAM defense while playing the best on ball defense their can almost be is a negative ?😂 lmao this chill dude juss hates kobe
@@fadercreek No im not. Just because playing man to man defense is harder doesn't make it more valuable than interior defense.
Kobe top 5 when it comes to accomplishments, longevity, eye test, and is one of the best winners of all time despite facing prolly the tuffest comp of any all time great. He’s a top 5 player all time.
His accomplishments are not above Hakeem, Shaq, or Duncan.
@@christianjames92 Hakeem more accomplished?? 😂😂😂 I’ll give you Duncan, to me him + Kobe are interchangeable at the 5 & 6 spots, but to say that Hakeem is more accomplished than Kobe is wild
@@97tilinfinity 2 time MVP, 2 time finals MVP, time defensive player of the year, 5x all defense at center with some of the greatest defensive centers being in the 90s, etc. Not to mention he was a far more impactful playoff performer.
@@christianjames92 Here’s the top 10 when it comes to total accomplishments (MVPs, FMVPs, Chips, Stat Leader, DPOY, ROY, All NBA, All Defense, etc.)
1.MJ-72 (10X All NBA 1st team)
2.Kareem-68 (10X All NBA 1st team)
3.Bron-65 (13X All NBA 1st team)
4.Kobe-61 (11X All NBA 1st team)
5.Duncan-58 (10X All NBA 1st team)
6.Wilt-53 (7X All NBA 1st team)
7.Shaq-47 (8X All NBA 1st team)
8.Hakeem-46 (6X All NBA 1st team)
9.Russell-45 (3X All NBA 1st team)
10.Magic-42 (9x All NBA 1st team)
Kobe top 5 when it comes to accomplishments.
@@97tilinfinity Kobe is more accomplished but let’s not act like Hakeem ever had a true #2…Kobe wasn’t even the best player for his first 3 rings
Wait, if OG has Bird and Magic over Kobe because they “did more and won more in less time” wouldn’t that be a similar line of reasoning for MJ>Lebron?
Got him 😂😂😂
I know deep down he knows mj the goat
Yeah he just has LeBron bias. Doesn’t mean his Bird & Magic vs Kobe reasoning isn’t sound.
@@chriskendall1619 you’re right but it’s hard to take his serious if he’s gonna be contradictory when it comes to these debates.
@@chriskendall1619 That Bird and Magic over Kobe debate doesn't make any sense. OG got cooked on that bs 😂
In a era of iso ball Kobe was a better on ball defender. So if you’re a better on ball defender in a iso era den you should be named a better defender. And on top of that Kobe would defend the best iso player and go give them 40 on the other side. That’s different bro
Yup literally would play d and offensive
Facts 😂😂
@@orlandowilliamson691 And yet Kobe is a net negative on defense for many years 😂
@@hinduphobehunter4262 12x all nba defense 1st teams you sound crazy bro.!!
@@orlandowilliamson691 Based off of reputation, which Phil Jackson admitted himself 😂😂
Dub destroyed Chilltown. Youngin was cookin the old head 😂 Gotta love it
How? He made no valid points.
Kobe way better than magic. Slightly better than bird
@@tyyoung8264 Kobe is more talented than Magic but Magic is greater than Kobe.
@@syzorst same can be said bout KD VS BRON it’s obvious LBJ greater but nicca kd a better HOOPER IDC
@@kamrynmccormack3464 Nah, Lebron is more talented and greater than KD.
Kobe won btb chips without any top 75 players on his team while also beating 3 top 75 players in the NBA finals in 2010. I know what I witness live since I was a kid he was that dude the media just didn’t wanna give him his just do. He’s top 3 all time he’s really 1-2 for me but his competition was ridiculous stacked in the West throughout his whole career. The ridiculous downplay is crazy.
And yet Kobe never won a playoff series or finished higher than a 7 seed unless Gasol or Shaq made an All-NBA team
Flip that, Duncan is the only player in league history who won multiple titles without a current All-NBA teammate, and he did it four times. Also won without an All-Star in 03, beating 7 current All-NBA players in 1 run
Kobe isn’t close to Tim
Duncan did it to
@@hardwoodthought1213and pau gasol never won a playoff game without Kobe 😂. He was 0-12 in the playoffs, swept three straight years in the first round. And Duncan had a good team, coach, front office, and system from start to finish.
@@Von.NorthEnd Gasol and Kobe from 04-07 both achieved the same thing, that is, neither won a playoff series.
Spurs a great organisation? They had 5 coaches in 8 years before Duncan, and after they forced out Kawhi, LMA threatened to retire, Parker leaves in FA, and DeRozan and Murray are awfully mismanaged. Great coach? Pop is 14 games under .500 without Duncan. Great teammates? And yet as pointed out Duncan won 4 titles without them making an All-NBA team, something no other player ever has done more than once
Try again. Jackson has 6 without Kobe. LA won like 4 years after Kobe retired.
@@hardwoodthought1213 the only difference is gasol had nothing on his resume other than an all star appearance. He never won a playoff game, let that sit with you. Kobe taught him everything he knew about winning games.
And regardless they still had David Robinson and’s good role players like Avery Johnson. I just looked up the numbers, they were a consistent 50 win team from the time Larry brown took over in the late 80s till Tim Duncan got drafted. He didn’t do it by himself bro. Stop with that narrative.
This shows how people go out of their way to disrespect Kobe. This video shows it … who even brings up team defender ? 🤦🏿♂️
Bro what is Chill talking about he cooked himself with everything he said. He contradicts everything he said.
Nah Magic played w more help & bird... & kobe in the playoffs frm 08-10 beat more 50 win teams than magic entire career. Kobe did it in the tougher era. If mj was the goat n kobe was the second coming of him how does he goto 11. Stop it mj wiping u if u dnt got kobe on ur mob.
Kobe is far from being the 2nd coming of Jordan… it’s not even close
OG is always mad cause a 17-year-old Kobe gave him the work when he was a senior in college LMAO.
Kobe went to 3 straight Finals without a top 75 player on his team.
This is not even close to true.. Gasol is a HOF player….
@@MotoM1234he's a HOF but not top 75
@@Kakarot8-10-24lebron came back from 3-1 without a top 75 player
That top 75 argument is so stupid
@@Klegend1750 do your research kyrie was initially on the top 75 before the vaccination incident, and so your saying westbrook, Dave buschere, Dave cowen, and Dave Bing deserved it over kyrie
@@Kakarot8-10-24 exactly same how people didn’t deserve it over Pau Gasol
I have Kobe in my Top 10, and I'm not saying Chill was necessarily right (need a bit more numbers to clarify that) but I don't understand how people on the panel or in the comment section can't get what he was trying to say regarding Defense.
In a team game, just because a player is more skilled at something doesn't necessarily make him better at it if he doesn't apply it for the context of winning the game for his team.
For eg, the person who has the best handles in the team does not automatically become the best dribbler for the team if he doesn't actually use his handles to enhance team output. I'd rather have the less skilled dribbler who makes it past 1 guy and uses that space well than a skilled dribbler who cuts past 3 easily but puts himself in an isolated corner at the end.
So, from how I understood it, Chill was saying that even though Kobe was a better one on one defender, Bird's reading of the game and effective use of team defence enabled his team to defend better as a whole.
If you want to prove him wrong, saying 'combine both and tell me who is better overall' is definitely NOT the right way to go about it.
good point
I ll try to put it that way.
Bird had 2 weaknesses in his game. His athleticism was average and he didnt have a good tribble. Why he was so dam good then?
Give a standard set of skills to any player u choose and then give the same set of skills to Bird. Bird will always find a way to be the more impactful of those 2 players with that same set of skills. He utilized his skills better than anyone else could. His skills may or may not (probably not) have been the best skills any player ever had but he utilized them to 110%.
Kobe on the other hand didnt have major weaknesses in his game compared to Bird, but those minor weaknesses he did have, there were times that not only he couldnt hide them but he himself even tried to get exposed for those weaknesses. Kobe's problem is that sometimes he was too stubborn to hide his weaknesses.
In the question what is more important:
1-1 defense or team defense the answer is simple.
It is whatever the player who is guarding puts the weight on.
Bird knowing that he is an average 1-1 defender he put the weight on team defense and he kept hiding his average 1-1 defense.
Like i said before, Bird had both limitations and weaknesses. It just happened to have the ultimate talent of always hiding those limitations and weaknesses. That was Bird's biggest gift, nothing else.
What i think Chill was trying to say is that neither team defense or 1-1 defense is more important by default. It simply depends how the players use each of those to their advantage. Whatever of those 2 players use to their advantage can become the most important aspect of defense in general.
And Bird utilized his skills and certain aspects of the game more effectively to his advantage than Kobe did to his skills.
This doesnt mean that Bird was a more complete player than Kobe ( i dont think he was) but he was more impactful.
Imagine being as good a shooter as Curry is. Would u be as impactful as a shooter if u shot only 4-5 3s every game and Ray Allen or Dame shot 8 3s? Skill-wise u would be better shooter than both Dame and Ray Allen but would u be more impactful than any of them?
@@ΚώσταςΠαππάς-φ7ζthe NBA in the late to mid 2000s was an iso ball type league. Most teams had 1 dominant scorer. They gave him the ball and let him go to work. In Bird's era there was more emphasis on moving the ball around. The top teams back then had two or three all stars players that could get 20 so being able to play team defense at a high level was important. Magic was also a good team defender. But I would say the difference is in order to play good team defense you have to be able to rely on your team as well. From 05-07 Kobe couldn't do that because Smush Parker was the only other solid defender he played with those years.
I value hard-work and relentlessness more than accolades. Kobe started at the far end of the bench and ended up finals MVP, league MVP. He didn't come in the league and was given a silver spoon he had to earn his way. And that's the same reason I like Gannis so much; they both had to overcome adversity to get to the top. And they both did. Kobe is #2.
I agree
It’s top ten best ball players not top ten hardest working ball players. Kobe ain’t no goddamn #2
kobe top two is bad, he's at most top 7 but not top 2, lebron cleas him, mj clears him, kareem clears him, shaq clears him and i would say also tim duncan
@@assassinolo I mean I have him at 11, which while I understand is low for most people I respect any list that has him as high as 6. I think the following players clear him (in order):
MJ, Lebron, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Russell, Shaq, Duncan.
So you think Kobe works harder than LeBron does? The man who takes care of his body so well that he's still playing amazingly at age 38? So if you value hard work who is number 1 on your list?
Best footwork ever !! Watching a dance watching Kobe
I always said that
Exactly
I have Kobe at 3 on my List
1:55 basically because Larry and Magic kinda were in their prime all their careers, and both primes were better than Kobe's.
Kobe is the 🐐 .
I normally don’t agree with Dub, but he was right
No tf he was not
@@LiveFastRiseYoung and won more rings than bron
Factz
He wasn’t right but he did have a more complete argument than Chill in this particular segment. He wins the debate for sure.
Definitely putting Kobe over Bird
There is no legit argument of why he's better than Bird.
Hell no, Larry Bird is neck to neck with LeBron James
@@syzorst Kobe did more with less as first option against harder competition and dude averaged 30 with Shaq on his team and based off the eye test Kobes clearly more talented
@@frandonfrank10Bron way better than him in everything he do expect shooting
@@warv6039 Harder competition? Name a team that Kobe faced that was as good as the Showtime Lakers? Hell the Philadelphia 76ers in the 80s was mored stacked than any team Kobe faced. Larry is a more efficient shooter, better passer, playmaker, rebounder and has a higher basketball IQ.
Kobe is the greatest basketball player I have ever seen
“U not gonna change my mind!!!” 😂😂😂 he just hard headed and won’t answer the question . Kobe a better a scorer and defender forget everything else
If he’s stating Larry and Magic is better than Kobe because accolades and all then why he won’t give it to Jordan. Who played in less years and done way more but he’s riding with LeBron. He’s very inconsistent and he’s always contradicts himself
Kobe played tougher competition than Magic and bird in conferences as well
You never seen Bird play to say that alone was a better scorer. Bird hit plenty of clutch shots. Had everything in his bag when it came to scoring. Definitely a better shooter to
If you think bird is a better scorer then Kobe ya don’t know basketball lol
@@omarievans8173I’m taking birds efficient scoring over Kobe’s high volume scoring
To even think Bird couldn’t score as good or better than Kobe is ridiculous. You must’ve never seen him play. He was a better passer and rebounder and had a higher IQ than Kobe. Kobe shouldn’t be ranked above Bird. EVER!!
@@omarievans8173 Why because Kobe dunks? He makes a hard shot after missing that hard shot 12 times but it looks pretty. Tired of these “bigger bag” casuals bro
@@ubereats3047 no because
Kobe’s highest scoring season is higher than birds (35>29)
Kobe’s highest scoring game is higher than birds (81>60)
Kobe is higher than bird in all time scoring (4th>36th)
Kobe held the most 3s made in a game for 15 yrs(12>7)
Kobe has 2 scoring titles bird has 0
Kobe averaged more points in his whole career (25>24)
Kobe’s made more threes in his career than bird (1827>649)
Just say you hate Kobe and stop saying random things that don’t make sense
Kobe the goat imo
Chill was backed in a corner and was saying a whole lotta nothin considering Kobe did all of that too and a lil more. OG brought up team defense to defend himself Foh😭😭
I agree kobe is the only player of the top 75 to beat more 50 wins team in NBA history. Also the only player since jordan to win scoring title and still make all defense twice.
Nah he was correct.
Chilltwn is clearly a kobe hater
Facts
@@sandramccullough6038 TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM. BASKETBALL A TEAMMMMMMM SPORT. This is why kobe and MJ are OVVERATED without phil Jackson. Because they are selfish and didn't put team first. Stop it
TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM TEAM. BASKETBALL A TEAMMMMMMM SPORT. This is why kobe and MJ are OVVERATED without phil Jackson. Because they are selfish and didn't put team first. Stop it
kobe is not top 10
Chilltown's refusal to directly answer the simple question of (and obvious answer to) “who was the better OVERALL defender" between Kobe and Bird tells us everything we need to know about his bias toward Kobe. I respect all opinions for what they are, but Chill's opinion sounds like the typical sports media pundit that selectively moves goalposts when evaluating players they like and players they don't for whatever reason, most often for reasons that have more to do with narratives than they do actual talent and effectiveness on the court. This is mostly why sports journalists are so analytic-driven and let their opinions live and die on stats and accolades, which ironically, journalists play a huge role in influencing and sometimes deciding; so, there should be no surprise why journalists place such a high premium on (media-voted) MVPs. Like many sports journalists, it seems that Chilltown's definition of "greatness" places far more value on legacy and resume than it does on actual talent (because when we compare Kobe to Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem SKILL BY SKILL, Kobe's clearly superior, and he has comparably impressive accolades to match, if not exceed, all 5 of those players). My opinion is that, when using a fair, consistent (in its application), and as comprehensive/all-inclusive a criteria as possible, Kobe objectively ranks as high as 3 and as low as 6-7 all-time.
Now you're overhyping Kobe.
@@syzorst I just stated my opinion; so I’m struggling to see how offering such a detailed construction of the different criterion people use to define “greatness” is “overhyping Kobe.” You may not be a fan of Kobe, but fan or not, it’s not really debatable that Kobe is at least top 10 based on accolades, skills (on both sides of the ball), longevity, era, and production.
@@esquire601 You don’t say you’re stating an opinion and then say objective. Kobe is not an objective type 5 guy
@@ubereats3047 comprehension is key: I specifically said Kobe should rank somewhere in the 3-7 range (which acknowledges that anyone who ranks him right outside of the top 5 is not unreasonable). You’re right: it’s all subjective-my opinion as well as yours. My ultimate point is that when most people make these lists, they don’t apply their own criteria consistently when comparing players they like with players they don’t care for quite as much, particularly Chilltown in this instance, and he got called out on it accordingly. When utilizing a detailed criteria, applied equally across the board, it’s difficult to name 7 players that satisfy such an exhaustive criteria (i.e. “check more boxes”) more than Bean; where fans who operate within those parameters in fleshing out their lists rank Kobe on that 3-7 spectrum usually depends largely on the weight those fans assign to a particular metric (stats, skills, longevity, MVPs, championships, scoring titles, All-NBA selections, All-Star Appearances, era, impact, etc.). Respect
@@esquire601 It’s really not hard to name 7-10 guys better it’s really just fans of Kobe that want to call that impossible and blasphemy
1. MJ
2. Kob
3. Larry Legend
Everyone else is below these deadliest basketball assassins with deepest bag
Kobe is easily one of the best 2 way players ever. Clears Magic & Bird
Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐
I agree that Kobe is arguably the most skilled player of all time or definitely up there, but you can't make excuses for his percentages or numbers and just say it's because of "playstyle," "mindset" or his shot selection. He CHOSE to play the game that way and CHOSE to take those tough shots. The more credit to him for being able to play that way and take those shots and knock them down at a fairly efficient rate throughout his prime, but at the end of the day, it's about results, putting up numbers/winning the game. It doesn't matter how the points get scored or how flashy or "skilled" of a manner you think they were scored in, but it's about scoring as many points as possible while being as efficient as possible.
Now with all that being said, here's where Kobe's skillset shines... Having a player that is versatile and skilled is extremely useful and creates a handful of problems for defenses. It's ultra-valuable to have a player with the ability to solo take over a game when the team's offense is failing. Or have the ability to create his own scoring opportunities from all over the court against the tougher defenses of the Playoffs. This is one of the reasons why Kobe's numbers and play stayed mostly consistent in the Playoffs compared to the regular season. So his wide range of skills, knowledge, and hero ball definitely had its uses at times even though it wasn't always beneficial to his stats.
So at the end of the day, yes, Kobe is without a doubt almost second to none when it comes to sheer skill and versatility offensively. He's an extremely skilled isolation ball player with an endless amount of skills and knowledge to create his own shot combined with above average NBA athleticism. He's also a guy who's known for hitting extremely tough shots with multiple defenders smothering him as well which definitely comes in handy. His selfishness and ego was a double-edged sword at times and he has selfishly shot his team out of games instead of trusting them and being more of a playmaker, but I'd rank him somewhere within the middle to upper part of the top 10 overall in terms of legacy. Top 3 though in terms of individual talent with an argument for the greatest.
This might be the most fair summary of this particular viewpoint about Kobe I've ever come across. I appreciate you painting the full picture by acknowledging precisely what makes Kobe one of the greatest of all time, even in spite of his weaknesses as a team player (which, in my opinion, is still a little overstated). What makes Kobe's "play-style" effective in contributing to winning basketball (which is what Chilltown mostly priortizes) isn't talked about nearly enough. Your criticisms against Kobe were fair as well. Respect.
He played in a tougher defensive era than Magic and Bird did. His options offensively weren't as expansive as theirs. They played weaker defenses for a fact.
@@MineShackle BIG facts! Context matters.
@@MineShackle Facts. One thing I hate more than anything is people who copy and paste stats completely ignoring the eye test or the context behind the stats.
@@MineShackle but he force to many tough shots thats why his percentage is low.
When ppl say you're the closest thing to MJ that puts u at 2.
He's the closest to Mike in terms of style of play not success.
Closest in style, not impact, accolades, greatness or ability. By that logic is Booker is then the closest to Kobe he’d be 3rd all time
Hell no
duse no way you’re fucking serious
Just bc Kobe plays similar to Jordan doesn’t mean he’s good as him
How OG diminish Kobe for having Shaq when magic had Kareem and bird had a hall of fame team majority of his career
The difference is that Lakers team became Magic’s team will Kareem was still on it. The Lakers was Shaq’s team the entire time him and Kobe played together. The Celtics was Bird’s team….I wish you damn Kobe fans could be real about this, Kobe was second fiddle to Shaq.
@@jacoblee5796 Shaq may have been the first option bcuz he was an all time talent but Kobe was the teams leader same as draymond on the warriors. Kareem had already won without magic but Shaq didn’t win till he played with Kobe. AND when Shaq left Kobe won 2 and Shaq won 1 which means Kobe is viable as a first option on a championship team
@@andiakpan8502 You're Kobe Draymond comparison is incredibly flawed. Draymond had years were he was the leader in rebounds, assists, steals, blocks and their best defender regardless of position. He also won DPOY, not even close to the same thing, horrible comparison.
@@jacoblee5796 you proved my point draymond was the leader in all those categories but when we talk about Steph’s first chip we don’t say “oh but he had draymond” even tho draymond dominated in every category except scoring
@@jacoblee5796 and Kobe was the closer for the team. He prepared the team mentally for opponents and initiated the offense
Bird ranks 63rd all time in defensive rating and 37th in defensive plus minus.
Kobe ranks outside of the top 250 in both at 105 rating and a -0.1 +/-
Kobe defense better than bird
If I were Chill I would argue that Magic and Birds skills and playing style were more conducive to team building and cohesion. So even though Kobe could do more things individually, the effects of what Magic and Bird did are slightly greater for team success, overall.
W other stars? Ya act like bird n magic had a co star and great / good role players like boston curr no they had hofs & all stars around them... like golden state. Y is that so impressive wen kobe aint have near the talent nor yet reached & or surpassed them in rings! Kobe n shaq was legit a 2 man only duo role players were nothing amazing. Then kobe & pau. Pau who was in memphis and couldnt make the playoffs... w average role players. Beating 3 top 75 guys and a vicious defense w him being the only top 75 guy
Bull Shit , Kobe was winning in the debatably the toughest conference of all Time in his era , there were years in 09 -12 That 50 WIN teams were a god damn 8th SEED there wasn’t close to that much competition in either birds or Magic’s conference during there tenure .. Kobe has beaten more 50 win teams in the playoffs than any other Goat candidate player More than mj, bron , magic , Kareem Etc .. Kobe was conducive To Winning
@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 thats because ppl judge basketball from a trip dub perspective. If kobe did what he did but avg 2 more rebs or dimes they a go crazy. they saying magic n bird impacted winning more then kobe. When neither were as clutch as kobe. Whats more conducive to winning than being a top 3 all time clutch guy reg szn & playoffs!
that's cool and that may be true.... but that just explains why he has magic and bird over kobe. it does NOT explain 11th all time. That's still crazy.
@@cloudunderweather9554 - I would have to know what criteria Chill is using before I can say whether the 11th ranking is fair. But I do think there are ssues that complicate the fair analysis of Kobe: Being perceived as Shaq's sidekick, the strife with Shaq and the belief he ran Shaq out of LA, missing lots of shots and the belief of many that he played too selfishly.
Not saying these views of Kobe are totally fair and accurate. But they do come to mind when you rate him against all of the other alltime greats who do not have those knocks against them.
He’s number 1 on my list
He’s not top 3, not higher than Bron, MJ or Kareem. He MIGHT be top 5. There is no argument for Kobe being top 3 that doesn’t involve feelings.
@A YT USER feelings? Lol
Kobe is the best player in NBA history 🐐🐐🐐🐐. Kobe drop 55 on mj. Kobe is better than mj, Kareem and LeBron. Kobe is best player ever
OG has Magic and Bird over Kobe because they "accomplished more in less time" (which isnt even true as Ron exposed), but he has Lebron over MJ when MJ "accomplished more in less time" (actually true). Make it make sense 🤯.
I just said the same shit in my head Chilltown capped out😂😂
kobe is a top 2 player ever for me . jus the complete package . He was efficient for his playstyle . Shooting the shots he did , Its a wonder how he even shot 45%. he shot 50% from the midrange for his career too . Not many can say that . 12x all defense . enough said
Lmao LeBron is better lying to yourself. Kobe had a pretty selfish playstyle imo, he just had very great teammates and ball hogged a lot to accumulate a lot of stats, he also only has 1 MVP in 20 seasons, mid if you ask me compared to the other goats with 2 or more MVPs, SHAQ may be the other guy to counter for that arguably, but SHAQ is the only reason why Kobe is even compared here. Otherwise 2 rings and 1 MVP, bro would be next to KD. Give LBJ Prime SHAQ and they win 5-7 rings no question. Also, LeBron was just more complete and has way more MVPs and even passed Kobe on the all time scoring list. LeBron has a better legacy and resume, don't really know why people put Kobe over him though.
That isn't how life works. Amazing he shot 45% with what he was shooting? Being effective and conducive to winning is a part of the game. Being a boxer with all the skills but you don't apply them properly means that you aren't the better boxer of a guy that applies less skills better.
Kobe played for the Lakers. He had the Jordan stigma follow him. He is propped up higher than he is because of narratives around him. He simply isn't as good as Lebron, Kareem, Shaq, Hakeem, etc... He isn't a more effective player on the court. Even the narratives of him being more clutch and hitting big time shots at a better rate than other players don't match up with the stats. He is a player with a massive cult following and narratives built around him based on his personality.
He is top 10-15. That is remarkable. Amazing. It isn't a slight on him at all. Its a great thing.
Kobe’s ts% was above League average
@@jiggafromstatefarm9997 Thats fine. But he doesn't get bonus points for shooting tougher or worse shots.
Kobe's TS% is only that high because of his FT%
Every time Chill Town say "I'm glad you brought that up" he about to spun shit &/or lie his azz off..
This is why Kobe is 9 on my list and I have Bird and Magic over him. Let’s not forget that Kobe missed the playoffs and was bounced out of the first round during his prime. Got swept and blew a 3-1 lead. It’s not just about individual numbers, it’s total body of work in the correct context
Finally someone who knows ball
Jordan got swept in the playoffs twice And had a first round exit 3 times
Bron got swept in the finals twice
Kareem missed the playoffs in his prime multiple times
No one is perfect
@@calebstreun2414nah you just mean finally someone who agrees with you
@@funfun4807 I understand no one is perfect, but remember the context. Jordan was young without a second star when he was getting swept in the first round. For LeBron, getting swept in the finals is bad, but in 07 he didn’t have a second star and in 2018 it was the KD Warriors and Kevin Love was so horrible that series it was like he didn’t have a second star. Also getting swept in the first round is worse than getting swept in the finals. I’ll give you Kareem in the mid 70s but he keeps his place in the top 3 for me because of his all time records. During Kobe’s prime he didn’t have a second star, but neither did LeBron and he had more playoff success than Kobe with a worse team
LMAOOOO 😂😂😂
Chill town has the NASTIEST KOBE TAKES OF ALL TIME.
He’s a known Kobe hater
His takes were legit tho…just his opinion backed by facts
@@kingdavid7573 LeBron was 16-6 against Kobe during their careers and clears him in terms individual accolades, efficiency, longevity and every individual statistic except free throw percentage. 😂😂😂
@@theeALister Steph Curry Tim Duncan and Kawhi Leonard all have winning records vs LeBron head 2 head… so does that mean they are all better than LeBron…. If the answer is no then the same logic applies to Kobe the fact that he has a losing record to LeBron in head 2 heads doesn’t mean he was a greater player than Kobe
@@SJO897 his takes are bias and misconstrued they are not factual.
Look at his stats on NBA reference
Look at his shooting percentages in regular season, and post
And look at each season team wise if he lead them to the playoffs and how far in the playoff
There was more jump shooting in the 2000s because zone defense made it more difficult to get to the paint/score in the paint as effectively as the 90s and 80s. Everyone’s percentages dipped in the 2000s
Every era of hoopers and real fans of ball knew that being 40% in a win was better than being 50% in a loss besides this era because everyone is ball-less and pathetic and allows the media and corporate idealism/micro management to run their lives.
@@josephschmizzo1595 lol man, you are so mad
Kobe Is the goat 🐐
@@JuwanTaylor-jz5zr Statically he’s not better than Jordan
So how can he be greatest ever?
Unless it’s a emotional response
Kobe is the only player since jordan to win a socring title and still made the all defense team twice
Sure, but the deference is MJ deserved his defense team award, Kobe didn't.
@@jacoblee5796 you need to check your facts from 06-10 kobe was one of the best two guard defender he led the Lakers in steal those five season passing Magic in steal in Lakers history
OG having a hard time here 😆
Kobe must have shitted on old he back in the day cause he clearly don't like him and gets upset when talking about him while typically contradicting himself or making no sense
Imagine winning 5 championships and the only argument people have is he didn’t do it efficiently 😂😂😂😂 you play to win!!!
kobe was a not a first option. thats the other aurgument
@@straightlead8 yeah but it's like saying curry was carried by KD. It's more Batman and Superman than Batman and Robin plus he did win 2 as a first option
@@warv6039 right but its still an argument. The other guy said that inefficiency is the only argument.
Lol he won 3 off of prime Shaq’s back. Can’t say Lebron won any ring being a damn second option. Matter of fact that’s t why LBJ lost the Dallas series, he ain’t no 2nd fiddle.
@@patpittz6709 bro he lost to Dallas because he folded!!! Worse finals performance ever from a super star!! He had help because Wade put up better numbers than him
Kobe is top 3
5:35 chill just won’t answer the question 😂😂😂😂😂
Miss this player choice era
Bro said team defense is better than one on one 😂
im puzzled - is basketball one on one or a team sport?
Dub FINALLY came wit it ‼️
Cooked my boy Chill damn 😅
Dub>Chilltwn… Dub be saying some outrageous stuff, but Chilltwn doesn’t believe what come out his mouth(a lot of contradictions)
No, just no😂
Chill right basketball a TEAMSPORT that why he right. This is non 1on1 basketball clown. SMH
@@coreythomas3633 facts
@@coreythomas3633 ok.. Kobe as a non team player won 5 rings vs bird who was a team player won 3?😂 u know what that tellls me ? That Kobe even tho being a non team player was so much better than bird that he won being a “ negative “ to his team and they couldn’t have won without that “ negative “ speaks volumes… imagine if he was a “ team “ player
@@BagChasinRB kobe is IRRELEVANT without phill Jackson and shaq. 😂 Larry bird dominate the 80s. And won more 😂. Kobe got swept and CHOKED A 3 1 LEAD TO STEVE NASH. 😂 😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. After phil left he never made the playoffs again. NICE TRY HATER.
This is why I hate ppl who said they're fan of him but always setting him up wt these type of conversation smh
Hes #2 All Time lol its as simple as that…you’d have to go out of ur way to suggest otherwise.
Could easily argue that he’s not top 2, most folks that got Kobe that high are simply looking from an emotional standpoint
@@pallani8471 i could make that same exact argument about Lebron…so we’re right back at square 1.
@@josephschmizzo1595 ofc, to say that someone would have to go “out of their way” to suggest otherwise tho is ridiculous
@@pallani8471 if ur under 30, youre going out of your way to suggest otherwise…
@@josephschmizzo1595 good thing I’m 30 then. You can easily make arguments to suggest otherwise. Emotional bias is what’s making it “simple as that” for some folks
homie a straight Kobe hater he cant even hide it 😂
🔥 let's be real Kobe had to work on his skills for years Kareem came in the door with skills
College…
@@josephschmizzo1595 first 3 years in NBA Kobe couldn't make a jump shot
@@ORIGINAL__ONE thats objectively false:
a) he shot 55% True Shooting his first 3 seasons
b) he shot 34% from 3…
c) for reference,
3PT % in first 3 NBA seasons:
D Wade: 24% 3PT
Lebron: 33% 3PT
Jordan: 17.6% 3PT
Magic: 20.8% 3PT
Larry Bird: 33.1% 3PT
Olajuwon: 20% 3PT
Iverson: 32.8% 3PT
*Kobe: 33.5% 3PT*
You’re just wrong…👍
@@josephschmizzo1595 he got traded his first season because he sucked after that he chocked a lot of games . ( Missing key shots in games). . . . He said it his self
@@ORIGINAL__ONE he got traded on draft night….you just proved that u know absolutely nothing about basketball…
Go to church…
People forget Kobe played the 09-10 Season with a broken index finger on his shooting hand so he adjusted his shot. Made several game winners that year too.
Anyone who has Kobe top 3 is on some weird shit. Top 5 is overrating him, top 15 is underrating him. Anywhere from 6-9 is a good spot for him to be.
What’s weird about it?
@@Hooperd2023he’s not better than LeBron, Jordan, or Kareem and it’s not close
@@kingjaydex7464 Kareem is better but its not as much as you think.
@@breno5029it’s not close
@@kingjaydex7464 cool so then he’s 4th or 5, the magic Johnson argument is debatable.
The outro was flawless
1:07
Bruh... I've never seen a random contradiction called out so fast 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He is above magic
@@kintsrapist2509I agree Magic and bird had a better start to their career than Kobe. But remember they came out of college and Kobe straight from high school. But once they all hit their peak prime vs prime id say Magic, Kobe, then Bird. It’s close. They’re all top 10 players
Kobe and MJ are top 2.
Please seek help
I need to be a guest for 10 mins PLEASE…this kobe disrespect is INSANE !!
People really just trying to find things to make Kobe lesser
I have him at 2#. I think he’s a definitive top 5 player.
Let me get your dealer’s number because you must be high on the best weed in the planet
On both ends of the court, the only player that's arguably better than Kobe is MJ.
I got Kobe at 2 all time behind Jordan. Having Kobe anything less than #3 is irrational.
Kobe can’t be in front of Kareem. Sorry.
@@tyjohnson3111 if u want Kareem in front of Kobe…go ahead, have at it. But thats the only person other than Jordan that i can accept being ahead of Kobe even though Kareem isnt actually BETTER than Kobe.
@@tomthompson4869
Explain how he’s not “better” than him? Because he can’t dribble as well?
@@tomthompson4869
Kareem is the 🐐
He’s ahead of all your ball-dominant heliocentric wings you can name who can only function in one way to impact winning.
@@tyjohnson3111 a) Kobe’s the better scorer.
b) Kobe’s the better shooter.
c) Kobe’s the better defender.
d). Kobe played in a more complex NBA
e). Kareem’s championship success came when he was playing w 2 of the greatest passers and setup guys of all time…Big O and Magic.
f). Kobe played tougher competition…
g). Kobe is the more skilled player.
I mean i can go in for days bro…if u want Kareem over Kobe, go for it, its wrong and illogical but go for it. In reality its:
1) Jordan
2) Kobe
3) Kareem
And then everybody else…..
Kobe is the goat 🐐
There's no legitimate arguments for Kobe being top 3 all time. None. He's not tops in any significant category, he doesn't have the MVPs, doesn't really have the top of the line playoff records, etc. I think Kobe is in that 11,10, 9 range. The last 4 years of his career where he was robbed because of the Achilles sealed his all time status for me. He's a guy that somehow has the aura that his peak was better than what it really was. Idk when that started.
And yet nba players make legitimate arguments everytime for why he's top 3
@@tre_indacut4032 NBA players say a lot of stupid shit.
@nba7takes Yes because peak for peak he's not better than the o0ther guys I have over him. If he was still good and productive those last 3 to 4 years you can say longevity wise he's objectively a top 4 to 5 player ever like you can do with Duncan.
@@christianjames92 You sound crazy. I bet back in ‘05-‘13 you weren’t saying any of this. The only reason why Kobe isn’t looked at as a top 3 is because of politics. Kobe was universally recognized as the best player being compared to Jordan. Stop it.
@@TheOfficialBlackSheep he’s not considered top 3 because he doesn’t have the all time numbers, the all time playoff numbers, MVPs, final MVPs, etc as any of the top 3 guys. I’m 30 bro. I literally grew up watching western conference games regularly and saw Kobe’s entire prime from 2000 to 2013. I never once thought Kobe was far and away better than Duncan, Shaq, dirk,etc.
Kobe better than bird, magic, kareem, wilt, lebron, tim duncan, russell. Just based on skill alone. Footwork, mid range, creating shots, defense, etc. Its Mj and Kobe at the top.
Putting Kobe in the top 3 is disrespectful to the history of basketball. Respect to Kobe as player but he's not better MJ, Bron, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, Russell, and more. Realistically Kobe is in the 8-12 range.
Larry and Magic were gifted super teams but we never use that to hamper their legacy.
It's amazing how folks move goal posts and change what they deem important when evaluating players just to diminish Kobe as a player. I don't agree with him being top 3. I think that's a bit of a stretch. But Kobe is comfortably in the top 10 all time and has just as good a case for 4th through 6th as any player dead or alive. I grew up a lakers fan in the 80s. Magic is why I love the NBA. But Dub's point about Kobe's prime being longer than Magic and Bird's career as a whole is undeniable.
Kobe has 12 all nba dam near larry bird whole career 6:31
I'm sorry chill but Kobe having 5 rings and two finals mvps and you still saying guys like Shaq, bird, Hakeem achived more is ridiculous and inconsistent.
You also value longevity and two-way play, he's more all defensive teams than those guys and even you trying to low ball kobes off ball D he's still better than those guys other than Hakeem.
You say Kobe was a negative defender for his team but when you look at curry in years with GSW who is a great team defender gets worse too.
So is that he's a bad defender or off and on numbers are flawed?
Kobe was a great communicater and a great off ball/help defender during his prime defensive years, yes it did get worse later on but when it matter most, like in the playoffs it improved and was great.
Shaq was a more impactful player than Kobe. Has more Finals MVPs and better playoff and finals performances than Kobe ever had
Bird was also more impactful. 3 straight MVPs, better player in the playoffs and finals.
Hakeem’s championship run was better than Kobe’s run without Shaq. Had to face two top 10 centers ever in the Finals and embarrassed them. Better defender. Was the first player to MVP, DPOY, and Finals MVP in the same year. Kobe was never close to that at all
@@KinGAdil019 did Hakeem face Jordan? Are you honestly think that Hakeem would won rings if Jordan was in the league that time?
@@denniscual4618 from 90-93, the Rockets had the Bulls number. I believe the record was 7-3. The Rockets had the best chance of beating the Bulls in the Finals at that time. Hakeem was always 2nd to Jordan as the best player in the 90s
@@KinGAdil019 Kobe won in 2010 when he didn’t have the better team
@@denniscual4618 Hakeem won a ring in '95, beating the team that Jordan lost to in the 2nd round (Orlando). Swept them in fact.
Just shut up chilltown dey u killing yo own argument 😂😂😂
How can Kobe be top 3 and not have top 20 playoffs performances? How??
@A YT USERso the losses only matter when it’s the finals?
@A YT USER My brother, how can you say that when LeGoat is positive against Kobe and has the con of playing for longer time, he had more L than W?
@A YT USERLebron was a better player in the regular season, playoffs, and Finals. Didn’t have a top ten player ever on his team or the greatest coach ever next to Pop. Never lost a 3-1 lead in the playoffs. Was the better scorer, rebounder and passer. Was better at being the best player in the world more. Kobe was only the best from 08-10 (don’t give me 06) and in those years, Lebron was close. Y’all never add context and nuance
@A YT USERdo you realize how ridiculous it is to boil down a players career to simply how much they won or lost in a team sport?
@A YT USER you are legitimately only counting losses in the finals and not overall playoff losses, lebron has won more playoff games than Kobe and he’s won a higher percentage of those playoff games. So how does lebron have more losses if you aren’t only speaking about the finals?
The Kobe glazers going crazy 😂😂😂😂😂
Fan just needs to say he doesn't like kobe lol
I feel like a proper ranking for Kobe is anywhere from 4-7 depending on what you value. I think 4-6 even really he’s that good.
No way Kobe should be higher than 5th or lower than 10th
Agreed he should be 5-7. He’s 7th on my list but I can see 5
12 is a good ranking for him
I never see how people say Magic and Bird better than Kobe but not better than Lebron🤷🏿♂️
RIGHT!!! Like wtf are these dudes watching.
The media have people so conditioned to think that Kobe is not top 3. Kobe is legit in the argument for being the second best player ever
No he's not.
@@syzorst who do you have ahead of him and why?
@@jpt00711 In no particular order Jordan, Kareem, Lebron, Magic, Larry, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Bill Russell and Hakeem.
@@syzorst based on what criteria?
@@jpt00711 A combination of their level of impact to their team, success and accolades. Who do you want to start with first?
Why do people love overrating Kobe!?
Bird had arguably the best 3 year stretch in basketball history! Guy put up crazy numbers on crazy efficiency!
Kobe came straight out of high school.. That's Y.
The issue is when people try to equate skill as criteria for greatness. Impact determines that, not skill.
Marc Gasol is better than Shaq in the high post and the mid post, he’s a better 3 point shooter, FT shooter and mid range shooter, he is a better ball handler, a better playmaker/passer, a better on ball defender, help defender and ball denier, and better at the pick and roll, both as a screener/defender
Now tell me which player is better?
Sure, Kobe MAY be top 5 in skill (I’d put Kyrie/Hakeem/KD/Curry over him) but impact, which includes everything from statistics, era, help, accolades, longevity, peak, play style, leadership/teammate style, he isn’t top 5. He’s the third best of his own era behind Duncan and Shaq.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Aint no way in hell you think Marc Gasol is a better ballhandler than Shaq 🤣
@@jumi48 Yes, he was. You watched a couple clips of Shaq in Orlando dribbling up court, but he rarely handled the ball outside the low block. Gasol initiated offence, could play dribble hand off, played the high key, backed players down from the 3 point line. He was without question a better overall handler.
But say he wasn’t, does that change my argument?
@@hardwoodthought1213 Shaq was physically so superior that he didn't really had to show us a lot of versatility in his game. These couple of clips with Orlando with couple of some more clips with the Lakers are enough for me to believe Shaq is a better ballhandler. Yes Gasol did more with the ball but thats mainly because the role and the style of a Center changed a lot
@@jumi48 No doubt, my example is used to show how skill doesn’t equate to impact. Especially when people say Kobe is a ‘better’ scorer than James, when he isn’t, he’s more versatile. Same way Gasol is over Shaq but he isn’t a ‘better’ offensive player
ron spittin facts
I agree with Chill’s list. There’s been PLENTY of great players to play in the NBA. To have Kobe being number 11 isn’t disrespect.
Stop talking basketball
@@tre_indacut4032 its not a bad take
@@tre_indacut4032 stop 🥜 riding
The hate on Kobe is disrespectful. ESPN Chilltwn be lyin
Chill need to stop this madness ‼️🤬
Chill is a clown for that his crappy list
Kobe played in the slowest paced and lowest scoring era with clogged paint, zone introduction with physicality on defense still being allowed, yet his numbers are still comparable. Beat more 50 win teams than any of these guys ppl want to name in the playoffs and won a chip without a top 75 player twice.
Okay and? That doesn't prove he's above the likes of Magic, Bird or even Duncan.
@@syzorst yes it does
@@jesuscervantes2151 It doesn't because the 3 I named accomplished better than that.
Dub cooked Chill. You cant add all this "nuance" to defense then disregard it for MVPs. Kobe objectively has significantly more defensive accolades than them. If you value accolades, then value them, if you dont then dont. Otherwise you are being hypocritical.
Bird can't fw Kobe stop the flodgin Chill off a Pill
He was a better player peak for peak
You probably never even watched bird
Only thing kobe has over bird is handles/footwork and defense maybe, Bird was better rebounding/playmaker/shooter/More mvps 3 peated, More FMVPS like wtf is kobes case over bird?
Shit idk they say bird use to be a bad mf
@@eobardthawne6921they have no case. These guys said Kobe accomplished more than Hakeem.
Kobe came straight from high school
Its MJ, Kobe and LeBron in this order.
They are the 3 BEST players we have seen so far. I'm talking about who was THE BEST at playing the game and not about who had the greatest career
The issue is when people try to equate skill as criteria for greatness. Impact determines that, not skill.
Marc Gasol is better than Shaq in the high post and the mid post, he’s a better 3 point shooter, FT shooter and mid range shooter, he is a better ball handler, a better playmaker/passer, a better on ball defender, help defender and ball denier, and better at the pick and roll, both as a screener/defender
Now tell me which player is better?
Sure, Kobe MAY be top 5 in skill (I’d put Kyrie/Hakeem/KD/Curry over him) but impact, which includes everything from statistics, era, help, accolades, longevity, peak, play style, leadership/teammate style, he isn’t top 5. He’s the third best of his own era behind Duncan and Shaq. Both MJ and LBJ are as skilled but far greater than Kobe also
@@kingdavid7573 And yet, James numbers and accolades dwarf Kobe….
@@kingdavid7573 4 titles as the main guy >>>>>>>> 2 as the main guy
But fine, so why isn’t James over Wilt? Wilt doesn’t have championships like LBJ
Think you’re the clown
@@kingdavid7573 Got you
@@kingdavid7573 How’d he win every GMVP if he wasn’t the main guy?
And why is my man listing Carmelo Anthony 😂 Chris Bosh? LMFAO
Kobe second option for over half his rings isn’t better than Bron the best on 10 finals teams and 4 champions
Put that boy chill on the grill well done👏
I want igoudala 😭😭
My top 10, IN NO ORDER:
Magic,Bird, MJ, LeBron, Hakeem,Kareem,Duncan, Russell,
Dr. J., Shaq. (Moses malone and Isaiah thomas just got bumped out)
He isnt better than the above players.
Hes tier 2 all timer with
Starting with Moses Malone 11 (3xmvp beast)
isaiah thomas number 12.
Wilt,Kobe, Durant,Curry, D.Wilkins, Dirk, Rick Barry, Maravich, Gervin, Garnett etc.
Lol if Bird was playing off ball that just means his teams collectively on defense were better that’s not a good point to make
He relied on his teammates cause his defense was lacking