I've got two REL S/510 on order. They will be for primarily two channel audio. I cannot wait to set them up and experience what they can add to my set up!
At the end of the day if you want decent movie performance from a sub you tend to lean on SVS Subs which give you all the out of control neanderthal level bass. If you want a sub to behave itself and perform sensibly you go for REL i / X series. I have tried playing music with HT subs numerous times and they are slow and laggy and cant keep up which ultimately makes them useless other than for making loud noises... reminds me of Anchorman "Loud Noises !!!" :)
I have a pair of the REL S5 SHO 12" subs from the line above the T series and love them, MSRP for them is supposed to be $2599 each but I got them for $2000 for the pair when my local HiFi store took them in on trade. They let them go for so cheap because the grilles were ripped up by the previous owner's cats even though the subs themselves are in great shape and I would never use the grilles anyway. I wish I could post a pic with this comment .
Have you heard both the t series and the s series. I am looking to get a s3 as their prices have fallen as low as €800, and they extend significantly lower than any t series sub. But do you find them to still be more technically accomplished.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez To my ears the S5 at least (I haven't heard the S3) is just as fast and tight as the T9i but capable of much higher output and lower extension. It's just better all round great for music and movies which is good because that is what I use mine for.
2K for a pair, aw man that's such a great deal! (good on you) btw never mind a picture... why don't you just go ahead and post a video, I would (I did) besides wouldn't it be great if everyone posted a video of their little setup!
REL subwoofers for movies should be connected high level AND .1/LFE. For digital audio correction like Audyssey (not sure about the others) you disconnect the high level before running the correction then reconnect afterwards. I've gotten great movie performance from two T/7i's. They are killer for music provided you don't got thru a home theater AVR or Processor. Connect directly to the DAC and use a passive XLR switch (Douk Nobsound 3-IN-1-OUT XLR Audio Switch) or switches. Or even better, use a high end two channel preamplifier with Home Theater Bypass.
Great review! I'd be interested in seeing how the REL S510/S812 would perform comparatively. According to REL they have learned a lot from the HT series and integrated some tech from it in their new S series. Are they the perfect mix between refinement and HT slam albeit at a higher price point? I'd love to find out.
REL S510 is more geared towards music, in my opinion. It integrates and blends in better and may disappear sometime which many Audiophiles find desirable
I've got both; 2x S510 for mains and 2x T9x for surrounds. Both for music (connected with high-level) and regular connection for LFE. S510s are a different class compared to T9x for both music AND HT... Have priority for music? take S510 and mostly HT? take S812 ... they go just that bit lower.
Did you connect the speakon cable & LFE? I think you would get a different experience with the rel T9X. Your fronts would become full range, plus LFE......🤯
I'm sure I made this comment already (maybe deleted)? But you should either combined the yellow and red per side (to positive) and connect the black to negative (unless its a differential or class d amp) where the black should go to chassis. You should update the video to say your connection method was wrong.
I found the T9/x lacking in most uses and returned it. In my room and my system, it didn't do it for me. On some tracks it sounded good, some others where I knew there was some base notes, it just didn't deliver. It is a small box and only does 27HZ, and fit/finish/looks are great, but there's far better subs for that $ in my view. It may still be a good choice for those with limited space, small rooms, etc, was not the fight fit for me. My beloved Velodyne HGS 12 is out for repair so decided to try some new subs. So far, Velodyne still my favorite, and to be fair, was 2k 20 years ago and still one of best subs out there. They have something of a cult following. I am trying a Rythmik FM8 now and like it much more than the Rel, and it's less $ to boot.
I use a pair of the small T Zeros to augment my stand mounted MA Radius 90s. The MAs are small and very stylish on their dedicated stands. It was REL that advised me to pair with their smallest sub and the special cable to ensure a smooth transition at between 80 and 100 hz where the MAs fall off. They are wired as a stereo pair directly connected to the left and right speakers. In my medium sized lounge 20 x 12ft they are excellent. They are also connected to my Marantz AV amp for 5.2
@@Birmingham_racing fine for me as they go down to about 35hz. I have a Marantz system with a 1711 linked to my Sky Q and the front set up is a hifi system with the Marantz 8006. The rear speakers are same Radius 90s and the centre is also a radius series. I am about to upgrade my front pair with the excellent AE500s on solidsteel stands. That’s a very good sound match to the 8006 and vinyl or CD. Whether I then use the R90s as Atmos speakers is not certain as yet as they are possibly to good for that. The AE upgrade is for large scale classical music especially choral. The R90s do a good effort but their small size limits the amount of air they can push out. The AE soundstage is superb - did an extensive demo against the larger 509s and prefer the accuracy of the 500s. I may shift one T Zero into my study to work with my new Ruark M1 mk2s. They are excellent but slightly lacking in bottom end. However the study is small (10 x 8ft) and so may not be big enough to generate the deep wavelengths needed. The key point many people miss is large sub base units in most lounges cannot generate the LFs anyway. If my lounge was say 30 by 15ft I get a T7 or 9x set up. My house is detached and well insulated sound wise. Most people by giant boomy subs and annoy their neighbours…
Do love Rel subs. I demo’d the last generation of this sub (t9i) next to their s3 sho and they excel at nuance and subtlety. It’s a sightly different experience to the full on bone rattling sound you get from some other brands, but once you live with it for a while it’s actually hard to go back. Many other bigger bad more powerful subs now sound quite crude to me and I miss that sophisticated musical sound. They can really stir you when a movies musical score kicks in, whether it’s James Bond, Harry Potter or Star Trek. Definitely a sound for the long term that you appreciate more and more as time goes on.
Did you find there was was a appreciable difference between the the s3 and the t9i. I know the s3 can go significantly lower, but it is one generation behind the t9i, though one higher up in the product listing. I have seen them go for as low as €800 used, so I am very tempted to buy one.
They actually sound quite different. The T9i is more fun and the s3 is drier, but easier to integrate. In my living room neither one felt lower on the real world and both were surprisingly powerful IMO
I should probably as that the s3 sho was better at the subtle stuff, but I actually preferred the t9i when paired at the high level for music. It felt like the music bounced along a bit better. The s3 is faster more accurate though, so maybe that is just me liking an “incorrect” sound.
@@John-hl6er I think its to do with those class a/b amps why the t series sound so different from almost any other subwoofer. I have the same preference as you. I was able to demo the kef kc62, which was also very dry, more analytical, and immensely fast. I listen to more electronic and much faster percussive genres like death and black metal (im very lucky to have the neighbours that I do), which care less for texture and tone, and just need to be as tight as possible even at the cost of sounding realistic. The s3 sounds like a good fit. Thanks for your thoughts.
Got one of these, niggles are the operation light which is too bright in the home cinema environment, and the rubber slippers on the support feet which come off if you attempt to slide the unit across a carpeted floor. On the plus side, Jazz music now sounds like a live performance.
Do you have an Xbox Series X? Would you ever consider reviewing Dolby Atmos for games like Gears 5, Watch Dogs Legion, COD Cold War, etc? I think that would be something very interesting to see.
@@LastResortStudios don’t get me wrong, in a vacuum or maybe 10 years ago I’d be impressed. But coming from mw2019 to Cold War, it was a big letdown. Nothing stellar about it in my opinion
@@nathanlunsford7110 Cold War in general doesn’t sound as good as MW. I tend to notice that with Treyarch games. Especially the gun sounds. MW always sounds better. The best games to test out for a surround sound is like Gears 5, and Resident Evil 2 and Miles Morales off the top of my head. I repeat do not do AC Valhalla. The audio quality is shit and they still haven’t fixed it.
@@TheSubZero187 agree. Battlefield too is pretty great ground level audio. I hope battlefield 6 will be atmos enabled, I don’t know if battlefield 5/1 is atmos I don’t play those often don’t care for them. Mostly play 3/4 and Bad company 2
I had a different experience from what you mentioned on the video. I have two T9x, Focal Kanta 3, Focal kanta 1, focal kanta center, AVR Focal Naim Astral 16 which is a beast. Overall the subs shake my place to another level.
Just got mt T/9i a few months ago. I love it for music. But I think I'm gonna need to pull the trigger on the 15" HT for cinema. I was listening to this on my iMac playing the KEF LS50 and the new KC62 sub. This little sucker does pretty good with your test tracks. Especially considering it's size. Keep up the awesome reviews Shane. And thanks!
I have a single T9i too and couldn't be more happy with it. I have a 4.6 by 6.6m room abs it shakes the house. Other than even distribution I would have no need for another. Goes low enough for me
There are sound deadening matts that are meant to absorb the vibration from the floor. Now depending on how loud you set the volume, will the walls shake for you and your neighbors. Hope this helps.
I used to have two 12-inch side firing subwoofers in my small apartment but ever since I got a pair of Rel 8-inch down firing... no more complaints for my lovely neighbours! Don't go with boom boom boom conventional subwoofers, gotta get the subwoofers which got refinement at the low end! Btw I have neighbours all around me... click on the red dragon hit the Dolby Atmos you can veiw how I've got one of them set up! My stereo rel T5is are now called my neighbour peacemakers 😁
@@Antibackgroundnoise but then you are, surely, a Taffy. So you're ok with this Kiwi guy - we like the Welsh because you lot can sing and we can't. We'd actually rather see the Rugby World Cup in Welsh hands than any other team. Except maybe Ireland... :-)
I used to have 2 T9i's - just for music. Forget movie kids stuff. I've just swapped one of the T9i's for a SL510. Considerably more 'woomph' at the lower end. Have one in each diagonal corner to fill the room. Fantastic!
Hi Shane Could you please help me in choosing A4K Blu-Ray player I was looking at the Sony x M 800m2 or The Panasonic ub820 Could you please advise me on which is the best player Thank you very much Steve
ho un giradischi technics sl 1200 mk2 , mcintosh ma 6300 e delle proac 140 mk1, un subwoofer come il rel t9x pensi sia una soluzione che migliora l ascolto di musica dal mio impianto?
I’m always a bit baffled why one would spend the money on a “sub” that doesn’t do sub 20Hz frequencies.... just save and either get better speakers, or get a sub-bass woofer 15-20Hz... inserting these in a quality home theater system would destroy them in no time at all.... I’d suggest these would be great for an acoustic music focused system only. Nice presentation.
Sub 20Hz is rattling territory correct? I assume the best Rel subs just provide more nuanced and textured bass than most high-end full range speakers. Also having a sub or two will enabled the user to place them at the best spot possible (bass crawling/room interaction) whereas full range speakers have to produce both low and higher frequencies from the very same place which may not always be ideal. But I think you are right saying they are intended for music first.
@@Antibackgroundnoise - not sure if you’re replying to comment or the initial replyer However, I have not used rel subs. I only have velodyn for my home theater because they command 14hz easily, down 5 db at 11hz. I wouldn’t need to try REL to know that woofers that don’t play below 20hz would distort at sub reference level . These type best labeled “ woofers” vs “subwoofers “ Thanks for engaging
@@mikewinburn exactly! But to un baffle you just a little... the reason why I chose a pair of high-performance stereo Rel subwoofers... it wasn't so much just to partner up with my bookshelves for my little 13 × 11.5 room but more to fact I used to have a pair of conventional 12" subs and I never stopped receiving complaints from my lovely neighbours but ever since integrating a pair of rel 'neighbour peacemakers' into my setup, you can guess... yes no more complaints!
@@Antibackgroundnoise - totally makes sense… Rel is quite expensive for a woofer (but solid quality for sure.) My point was it might be better for music to get better speakers w the money saving the need for a woofer. But, I guess space for large floor standers that can do 25hz solidly could present a challenge in some multi purpose rooms. However, I certainly agree “too each their own”. Keep on enjoying the music, partner. That’s really all that counts.
@@therealshanelee You did not hesitate! Now I am aiming at G1 or No25 endgames both because it seems nuance and texture will be at their best and because they are digging into the teens. My room is very small, I just hope I will be able to place one correctly ; the remote control basically replacing an app might help a bit with integration. They have 4ms of latency, I do not now if I'll make things worse if I try some bass management/room correction with softwares like Dirac or REW. Thank you for your honest recommandation!!
Even though my stereo t5i subs compliment my Sonos Faber standmount speakers perfectly... I've been in a little bit of a quandary... just can't make my mind up, deciding what third sub to get for with the movie watching experience! Don't get me wrong my dual t5i's does a wonderful job, especially with the 2-channel music, I'm just looking for that extra wallop, so I can experience the best of both (2-ch / movies) and after watching this video again, it has brought it all back to the forefront! 🤯 Why not ask the experts, I'm thinking... yeah I think I'll drop Rel acoustics an email! (After all, In my experience they can't do enough for you) Just want to mention... cheers mate for the video and for trying to help people like myself who's in a similar predicament.👍
I'm fishing for new sub to my q accoustics 5.1 setup. I can get two rel t9i for the price of one tx9. Was thinking about going dual pb 1000 Pro which cost wise would be about the same. What would you recommend going for ?
2 x T9s unless you have a very large room....and for easier integration into my stereo. My 5c here in NZ where we have earthquakes so often we don't need our homes shaken by our movies but we do love to rock so...fcuk I dunno.... :-)
Very nice detailed review 👌. Lots of people will love these . I want bigger drivers . Subs are the last thing I got to buy still deciding thinking F18 or PB4000 it's killing me lol 😆😅 Thanks for awesome review.
Is this new model has the transformer noise issue like all the old Ti series ? can you confirm if you hear the buzzing sound when it's idling mode ? Thanks !
@@GG-ex5bk yeah but what about the LFE connection? The reason why I say this of course... when I was using a black lab audioquest sub lead, it was picking up unwanted noise possibly a grounding and it was only after I forked out for a chord showline sub lead that the unwanted noise and totally disappeared! As far as the transformer is concerned I really don't hear anything and bear in mind I just spent over £1,600 on cabling my setup because I can't put up with any kind of unwanted noise especially EMI on unshielded cables!
@@gabemartinez1012 the AVR crossover is only for when you set your mains to small and hand over the main speakers sub bass to the sub in addition to the LFE. LFE from your processor should be 120hz and down from the AVR. No need to adjust anything on the sub. If you have a duel purpose input on the sub then you should open the crossover up fully for HT
had many subs in the past including 1 s/812 then 2 f12's, now buying 2 g22's... sparechange is wrong in this case... The rythemik subs easily hold their own against those Rel's. They trade blows... the Rel's do slightly better with dynamics but they do worse as subwoofers since they don't go as low and I find them less accurate (but I think this is a trade-off with dynamics versus servos). I thought both the s812 and the f12 had great and equal tonality for music. I am hoping my new, yet undelivered g22's, due to less or practically zero resonance will also be better in every aspect of music as well. I have to think that money is exchanging hands for many of these online reviews, even if they say that's not true. Don't get me wrong those rels are absolutely fantastic, however they are severely overpriced. It's too bad that people can't audition them side by side.
@@therealshanelee I was looking for Rythmik at some points but you made your point loud and clear :) It seems coherent with Nemo Propaganda's opinion since he always have a hard time making the Rythmik sub the clear winner over Rel and Kef when it comes to music.
Hello everybody I own this subwoofer and I absolutely love it the best sounding subwoofer I have ever heard in my life I has subwoofers for as much as $4000 but this is my favourite one thing was wondering I noticed the light on the back never turns off which means I think the subwoofer never goes on sleep when it's not in use does it mean I have to turn it on and off every time or can it be left like that please help me with this thank you.
SVS is class D meaning no buzzing noise, REL T series are class A/B and you can hear the transformer buzzing sound. This is a known issue from REL, if you are ok with the buzzing noise REL should be ok, personally I stop buying REL.
@@GG-ex5bk that's probably because you're using an cheap subwoofer leads! I know cos I was having a similar sort of problem with the audioquest black lab sub lead but when I upgraded to the chord shoreline subwoofer (internal grounding) leads... no more buzzing from my dual rel subwoofers!
Why don't they strap a class d to it. The price for performance of these are shocking lol. My 1961 1s is cheaper than one of these and will wipe the floor with it. I guess most of the money goes towards etching the rel logo on every side possible.
Super well done review. The only other thing that may have been helpful is to know more about the size of the room you tested these in. If it was a 25 x 18 x 11 foot room, one of these would almost undoubtedly be too small and not test well. Context with speakers is a big determinant of performance. Stumbled on this review and subscribed because it was so well done. Nice work.
Honestly, I don't understand the reason for this review. These speakers are meant for music and not home theater. REL has a dedicated line of subs designated by the HT in the model name.
Hi, what about sound quality? Is the app your No.1 priority when buying a subwoofer? The G1 and No. 25 have a remote, maybe Rel should offer an optional remote working with every of their sub? If you have Microsoft/Huawei phone/tablet, the app probably won't be compatible. Also, maybe a future Android/iOS "update" might break the whole thing and prevent you to setup your system again once you change room or speakers.
@@photomusicman9413 May I ask if you know it for a fact because you have now tried both Rel and SVS or do you rely on reviewers and/or internet chat? I must admit than without actually trying them at home, I have a hard time knowing which one is best lots of folks are pro Rel and lots are pro SVS...
@@mignotmaxime2409 I owned several REL subs over the years and when I saw that SVS have an app for some of their subs I wanted to buy one. Then, on advice from my dealer who sells both SVS and REL, he reminded me that REL is faster, more musical and you can use the hi-inputs at the same time as the LFE input. So, I haven't heard an SVS in person but I am sticking with REL now.
@@photomusicman9413 Which ones did you owned and currently own? Did musicality, nuance, texture, extension and overall volume improved significantly while upgrading?
It's a class AB and dual driver. The measurement was REL's choice to be more strict and in reality these are more like a 600w subwooofer. I've demoed the T9X and for its size the power this thing has and the sheer volume it goes to without distorting is mind blowing.
Thanks. SVS is garbage we all get it. Look at em wrong and they’ll fall apart. Love the Rels people should stop buying the SVS products. Quality control is complete shit
I have both. SVS are not garbage. Customer service is solid and I have owned five SVS subs. From medium to large subs. All have been great for cinema use. There is great air movement for a respectable price. App is amazing and easy to use. . RELs are great for high level connection for music.
There are no "movie" and "music" subwoofers. You claim there is no music in movies or one doesn't need full range in music? There are only good and bad subwoofers. And if it can't play 20Hz loud and clear it's woofer in fancy cabinet with internal amplifier. SUBwoofer needs to play SUB frequencies.
@@therealshanelee Your video is invalid, as your argument. Read some books about acoustic and electro-mechanic devices. Get some education. Don't lie to people and stop beign ignorant please.
REL subs are very musical but they use the cheap transformer, so it produces buzzing issue, I already confirm by the REL tech person. It's what you get for what you pay IMO, i wish they replace the cheap amp by class D amp.
I'm a stickler for unwanted noise and I can assure you if my dual Rels made any sort of noise they would not be in my setup! But mind you... it was only after I purchased chord shawline subwoofer leads that they become totally silent!
@@Antibackgroundnoise i dont think cable.make any dofference, i spent thousands on cables and doesnt make differences for me. And i am using the REL factory high level connection. If you just turn on the sub and listen to it carefully you will hear transfomer noise, very low noise. If you have good ears you can hear it or ask some teenagers, they can certainly hear. Its just cheap transformers that REL uses.
@@GG-ex5bk I agree with you... apart from excellent shielding expensive cables doesn't necessarily make the sound quality better but what it does do ensure that one receives the full connection... so basically all it's done for me is make my previous average subwoofer lead become apparent!
@@therealshanelee You mean white and cool? It's not you place. You are only guest on RUclips. Stop lie to people. Get some knowledge. Stop spreading fake, marketing informations from brochures.
@@therealshaneleeYou mean white and cool? It's not your place, you are only a guest on RUclips. Stop lying to people. You know that you confirm you are wrong by deleting my polite comments.
How have you not been nominated for an Oscar for your reaction acting chops 🤣🤣
Layering, nuances and texture, thats all the good stuff right there. dream subs for an audiophile...
If I want to hear earth shattering flabby bass I’ll go to the theatre, they have way more subs than I can fit in my house lol
I'm glad you didn't shy away from putting them through the bass torture tests with EoT and Monster Hunter. Great review.
Factory: "How many times do we have to remind your customers they have a REL sub?"
REL team: "Yes"
I've got two REL S/510 on order. They will be for primarily two channel audio. I cannot wait to set them up and experience what they can add to my set up!
I think the A/B amp is a good choice as when an active speaker fails it's generally the electronics not the driver itself.
At the end of the day if you want decent movie performance from a sub you tend to lean on SVS Subs which give you all the out of control neanderthal level bass. If you want a sub to behave itself and perform sensibly you go for REL i / X series. I have tried playing music with HT subs numerous times and they are slow and laggy and cant keep up which ultimately makes them useless other than for making loud noises... reminds me of Anchorman "Loud Noises !!!" :)
I have the T91red Limited edition by far the best looking Subwoofer on the Market
Ti series are better looking imo too, i like the sharp edges but Ti series have some serious issues so i dont know what to do.
what do you mean some serious issues?
integration/setup possibly!
I have a pair of the REL S5 SHO 12" subs from the line above the T series and love them, MSRP for them is supposed to be $2599 each but I got them for $2000 for the pair when my local HiFi store took them in on trade. They let them go for so cheap because the grilles were ripped up by the previous owner's cats even though the subs themselves are in great shape and I would never use the grilles anyway. I wish I could post a pic with this comment .
Have you heard both the t series and the s series. I am looking to get a s3 as their prices have fallen as low as €800, and they extend significantly lower than any t series sub. But do you find them to still be more technically accomplished.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez To my ears the S5 at least (I haven't heard the S3) is just as fast and tight as the T9i but capable of much higher output and lower extension. It's just better all round great for music and movies which is good because that is what I use mine for.
@@humanitysonlyhope Sorry, I misread your comment. Great, looks like it would be the better choice of both films and music.
2K for a pair, aw man that's such a great deal! (good on you) btw never mind a picture... why don't you just go ahead and post a video, I would (I did) besides wouldn't it be great if everyone posted a video of their little setup!
I would love to see a review on a pair of REL No 25s. That's my request.
I've been asking.
@@therealshanelee do you happen to have a video of the Kef kc62 with this same test?
Excellent video Shane 👌
REL subwoofers for movies should be connected high level AND .1/LFE. For digital audio correction like Audyssey (not sure about the others) you disconnect the high level before running the correction then reconnect afterwards.
I've gotten great movie performance from two T/7i's. They are killer for music provided you don't got thru a home theater AVR or Processor. Connect directly to the DAC and use a passive XLR switch (Douk Nobsound 3-IN-1-OUT XLR Audio Switch) or switches. Or even better, use a high end two channel preamplifier with Home Theater Bypass.
Ayeee! You killed it bro, great vid :D
I try sometimes.
Great review! I'd be interested in seeing how the REL S510/S812 would perform comparatively. According to REL they have learned a lot from the HT series and integrated some tech from it in their new S series. Are they the perfect mix between refinement and HT slam albeit at a higher price point? I'd love to find out.
REL S510 is more geared towards music, in my opinion. It integrates and blends in better and may disappear sometime which many Audiophiles find desirable
I've got both; 2x S510 for mains and 2x T9x for surrounds. Both for music (connected with high-level) and regular connection for LFE.
S510s are a different class compared to T9x for both music AND HT... Have priority for music? take S510 and mostly HT? take S812 ... they go just that bit lower.
So would you view a s/510 good for home theatre or otherwise I’m looking at the B&W DB4S ? Any thoughts ?
Did you connect the speakon cable & LFE? I think you would get a different experience with the rel T9X. Your fronts would become full range, plus LFE......🤯
As a reviewer, do you ever think u will find your end game set up? Or will it ever change?
It's great to have so many choices when it comes to subs these days. I'm in the Rythmik camp.
LOL, I guess the narrator didn't know that the TX series were designed exclusively for music.
They were sent to see how they did with home theater. Thanks for watching.
I'm sure I made this comment already (maybe deleted)? But you should either combined the yellow and red per side (to positive) and connect the black to negative (unless its a differential or class d amp) where the black should go to chassis. You should update the video to say your connection method was wrong.
How are the procellas doing, better than the B&w?
These Rel T/9x are primary for music listening in 2 channel setup…For Home Theatre you should get into the Serie HT models….
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I found the T9/x lacking in most uses and returned it. In my room and my system, it didn't do it for me. On some tracks it sounded good, some others where I knew there was some base notes, it just didn't deliver. It is a small box and only does 27HZ, and fit/finish/looks are great, but there's far better subs for that $ in my view. It may still be a good choice for those with limited space, small rooms, etc, was not the fight fit for me. My beloved Velodyne HGS 12 is out for repair so decided to try some new subs. So far, Velodyne still my favorite, and to be fair, was 2k 20 years ago and still one of best subs out there. They have something of a cult following. I am trying a Rythmik FM8 now and like it much more than the Rel, and it's less $ to boot.
Yes ,I see REL makes Home Theater ( HT ) subs for all that . The 9x is really for music
I use a pair of the small T Zeros to augment my stand mounted MA Radius 90s. The MAs are small and very stylish on their dedicated stands. It was REL that advised me to pair with their smallest sub and the special cable to ensure a smooth transition at between 80 and 100 hz where the MAs fall off. They are wired as a stereo pair directly connected to the left and right speakers. In my medium sized lounge 20 x 12ft they are excellent. They are also connected to my Marantz AV amp for 5.2
How do t zero sound for movies? I can't imagine them going deep
@@Birmingham_racing fine for me as they go down to about 35hz. I have a Marantz system with a 1711 linked to my Sky Q and the front set up is a hifi system with the Marantz 8006. The rear speakers are same Radius 90s and the centre is also a radius series. I am about to upgrade my front pair with the excellent AE500s on solidsteel stands. That’s a very good sound match to the 8006 and vinyl or CD. Whether I then use the R90s as Atmos speakers is not certain as yet as they are possibly to good for that. The AE upgrade is for large scale classical music especially choral. The R90s do a good effort but their small size limits the amount of air they can push out. The AE soundstage is superb - did an extensive demo against the larger 509s and prefer the accuracy of the 500s. I may shift one T Zero into my study to work with my new Ruark M1 mk2s. They are excellent but slightly lacking in bottom end. However the study is small (10 x 8ft) and so may not be big enough to generate the deep wavelengths needed.
The key point many people miss is large sub base units in most lounges cannot generate the LFs anyway. If my lounge was say 30 by 15ft I get a T7 or 9x set up. My house is detached and well insulated sound wise. Most people by giant boomy subs and annoy their neighbours…
Do love Rel subs. I demo’d the last generation of this sub (t9i) next to their s3 sho and they excel at nuance and subtlety. It’s a sightly different experience to the full on bone rattling sound you get from some other brands, but once you live with it for a while it’s actually hard to go back. Many other bigger bad more powerful subs now sound quite crude to me and I miss that sophisticated musical sound. They can really stir you when a movies musical score kicks in, whether it’s James Bond, Harry Potter or Star Trek.
Definitely a sound for the long term that you appreciate more and more as time goes on.
Did you find there was was a appreciable difference between the the s3 and the t9i. I know the s3 can go significantly lower, but it is one generation behind the t9i, though one higher up in the product listing. I have seen them go for as low as €800 used, so I am very tempted to buy one.
They actually sound quite different. The T9i is more fun and the s3 is drier, but easier to integrate.
In my living room neither one felt lower on the real world and both were surprisingly powerful IMO
I should probably as that the s3 sho was better at the subtle stuff, but I actually preferred the t9i when paired at the high level for music. It felt like the music bounced along a bit better.
The s3 is faster more accurate though, so maybe that is just me liking an “incorrect” sound.
@@John-hl6er I think its to do with those class a/b amps why the t series sound so different from almost any other subwoofer. I have the same preference as you. I was able to demo the kef kc62, which was also very dry, more analytical, and immensely fast. I listen to more electronic and much faster percussive genres like death and black metal (im very lucky to have the neighbours that I do), which care less for texture and tone, and just need to be as tight as possible even at the cost of sounding realistic. The s3 sounds like a good fit. Thanks for your thoughts.
You’re welcome and I think you are right on the a/b vs class D amplification.
I hope you enjoy :)
Does this kind of downfiring sub benefit from an isolation platform?
Got one of these, niggles are the operation light which is too bright in the home cinema environment, and the rubber slippers on the support feet which come off if you attempt to slide the unit across a carpeted floor. On the plus side, Jazz music now sounds like a live performance.
Nice review iv ben interested 1205 or 1508
Do you have an Xbox Series X? Would you ever consider reviewing Dolby Atmos for games like Gears 5, Watch Dogs Legion, COD Cold War, etc? I think that would be something very interesting to see.
I got 7.2.4 setup, Cold War atmos and just audio in general is meh. Cod mw2019 is freaking amazing, one of the best sounding games I’ve played
@@nathanlunsford7110 That is a bummer Cold War is meh
@@LastResortStudios don’t get me wrong, in a vacuum or maybe 10 years ago I’d be impressed. But coming from mw2019 to Cold War, it was a big letdown. Nothing stellar about it in my opinion
@@nathanlunsford7110 Cold War in general doesn’t sound as good as MW. I tend to notice that with Treyarch games. Especially the gun sounds. MW always sounds better. The best games to test out for a surround sound is like Gears 5, and Resident Evil 2 and Miles Morales off the top of my head. I repeat do not do AC Valhalla. The audio quality is shit and they still haven’t fixed it.
@@TheSubZero187 agree. Battlefield too is pretty great ground level audio. I hope battlefield 6 will be atmos enabled, I don’t know if battlefield 5/1 is atmos I don’t play those often don’t care for them. Mostly play 3/4 and Bad company 2
Those Focals aren't cheap! What about pairing them with price equivalent sub?
I had a different experience from what you mentioned on the video. I have two T9x, Focal Kanta 3, Focal kanta 1, focal kanta center, AVR Focal Naim Astral 16 which is a beast. Overall the subs shake my place to another level.
Just got mt T/9i a few months ago. I love it for music. But I think I'm gonna need to pull the trigger on the 15" HT for cinema. I was listening to this on my iMac playing the KEF LS50 and the new KC62 sub. This little sucker does pretty good with your test tracks. Especially considering it's size. Keep up the awesome reviews Shane. And thanks!
I have a single T9i too and couldn't be more happy with it. I have a 4.6 by 6.6m room abs it shakes the house. Other than even distribution I would have no need for another. Goes low enough for me
I assume the T/9i is the better subwoofer for music compared to the kc62, right?
@@mignotmaxime2409 I would love to know that too. Just bought a pair of T7X. Dialing in is trickier than I thought
These are named like a New Terminator villain
what does that theater reference input mean?
General sub question, what would recommend for a 2nd floor apartment where I want to hear/feel as much as I can without shaking my neighbors place?
There are sound deadening matts that are meant to absorb the vibration from the floor. Now depending on how loud you set the volume, will the walls shake for you and your neighbors. Hope this helps.
I used to have two 12-inch side firing subwoofers in my small apartment but ever since I got a pair of Rel 8-inch down firing... no more complaints for my lovely neighbours! Don't go with boom boom boom conventional subwoofers, gotta get the subwoofers which got refinement at the low end! Btw I have neighbours all around me... click on the red dragon hit the Dolby Atmos you can veiw how I've got one of them set up! My stereo rel T5is are now called my neighbour peacemakers 😁
@@Antibackgroundnoise but then you are, surely, a Taffy. So you're ok with this Kiwi guy - we like the Welsh because you lot can sing and we can't. We'd actually rather see the Rugby World Cup in Welsh hands than any other team. Except maybe Ireland... :-)
@@JasonEdward62 hahaha 😁 Nice one butty
$3500 budget for 2 subs. I have B&W 705s2 mains. SVS SB16s? Any recommendations?
How do the HT’s compare from something from SVS ?
Do you even lift bro?
Spare change: 0:00
Did you give them time to break in? Mine was night and day difference.
I used to have 2 T9i's - just for music. Forget movie kids stuff. I've just swapped one of the T9i's for a SL510. Considerably more
'woomph' at the lower end. Have one in each diagonal corner to fill the room. Fantastic!
You have 2 rel S 510’s right? I was thinking about upgrading to them as well. I have dual t9is now
I'm curious, what projector are you using?
Everything is in the video description.
Tell me your opinion about that I have Proac k1.Its a good choice t9x ?
Hey Shane what kind of power is going into your room. Two 20 amp circuits?
I had a REL ?Q100? for my 18th back in 98. Still got it but not using it
Shane, great review! What is the size of your theater? Thanks!
Hi Shane Could you please help me in choosing A4K Blu-Ray player I was looking at the Sony x M 800m2 or The Panasonic ub820 Could you please advise me on which is the best player Thank you very much Steve
Great review. Can you also review the REL S510 or S812?
Great channel. You should have five times the subscribers!
ho un giradischi technics sl 1200 mk2 , mcintosh ma 6300 e delle proac 140 mk1, un subwoofer come il rel t9x pensi sia una soluzione che migliora l ascolto di musica dal mio impianto?
How does the REL T9x compare to the KEF KF92 since you reviewed both?
Regarding music reproduction (nuance, texture, etc) Shane answered me that REL is better.
I’m always a bit baffled why one would spend the money on a “sub” that doesn’t do sub 20Hz frequencies.... just save and either get better speakers, or get a sub-bass woofer 15-20Hz...
inserting these in a quality home theater system would destroy them in no time at all.... I’d suggest these would be great for an acoustic music focused system only.
Nice presentation.
Sub 20Hz is rattling territory correct? I assume the best Rel subs just provide more nuanced and textured bass than most high-end full range speakers. Also having a sub or two will enabled the user to place them at the best spot possible (bass crawling/room interaction) whereas full range speakers have to produce both low and higher frequencies from the very same place which may not always be ideal. But I think you are right saying they are intended for music first.
Great opinion may I beg to know what REL subwoofers have you tried! 😁
@@Antibackgroundnoise - not sure if you’re replying to comment or the initial replyer
However, I have not used rel subs.
I only have velodyn for my home theater because they command 14hz easily, down 5 db at 11hz.
I wouldn’t need to try REL to know that woofers that don’t play below 20hz would distort at sub reference level .
These type best labeled “ woofers” vs “subwoofers “
Thanks for engaging
@@mikewinburn exactly! But to un baffle you just a little...
the reason why I chose a pair of high-performance stereo Rel subwoofers... it wasn't so much just to partner up with my bookshelves for my little 13 × 11.5 room but more to fact I used to have a pair of conventional 12" subs and I never stopped receiving complaints from my lovely neighbours but ever since integrating a pair of rel 'neighbour peacemakers' into my setup, you can guess... yes no more complaints!
@@Antibackgroundnoise - totally makes sense…
Rel is quite expensive for a woofer (but solid quality for sure.)
My point was it might be better for music to get better speakers w the money saving the need for a woofer. But, I guess space for large floor standers that can do 25hz solidly could present a challenge in some multi purpose rooms.
However, I certainly agree “too each their own”.
Keep on enjoying the music, partner. That’s really all that counts.
Great review. Would be so awesome if you could test dual Rel No. 25's!
I wouldn't mind that either.
@@therealshanelee Or the G1 mk2 or carbon special:-) I have dual s212/sx but looking for addional subwoofage:-)
Are subs not as heavy as they used to be or are you carrying empty boxes or secretly got super strength?
What is name of neasuring app? Please help.
Is that a pioneer C-22 Center channel in the beginning?
For 80% music use, T9x or KF92? Obviously the Kef will extend lower but which one is the most nuanced, textured, subtle? Thanks!
REL
@@therealshanelee You did not hesitate! Now I am aiming at G1 or No25 endgames both because it seems nuance and texture will be at their best and because they are digging into the teens. My room is very small, I just hope I will be able to place one correctly ; the remote control basically replacing an app might help a bit with integration. They have 4ms of latency, I do not now if I'll make things worse if I try some bass management/room correction with softwares like Dirac or REW. Thank you for your honest recommandation!!
How does this sub compare to the Rel 1508 or SX212 subs
Even though my stereo t5i subs compliment my Sonos Faber standmount speakers perfectly... I've been in a little bit of a quandary... just can't make my mind up, deciding what third sub to get for with the movie watching experience! Don't get me wrong my dual t5i's does a wonderful job, especially with the 2-channel music, I'm just looking for that extra wallop, so I can experience the best of both (2-ch / movies) and after watching this video again, it has brought it all back to the forefront! 🤯
Why not ask the experts, I'm thinking... yeah I think I'll drop Rel acoustics an email! (After all, In my experience they can't do enough for you)
Just want to mention... cheers mate for the video and for trying to help people like myself who's in a similar predicament.👍
Would getting dual t9x give you the oomph and room pressurization? Or would you feel like its still falls short of the 1508?
You need 4 and still dont get the 20hz output +96db
I'm fishing for new sub to my q accoustics 5.1 setup. I can get two rel t9i for the price of one tx9. Was thinking about going dual pb 1000 Pro which cost wise would be about the same. What would you recommend going for ?
2 x T9s unless you have a very large room....and for easier integration into my stereo. My 5c here in NZ where we have earthquakes so often we don't need our homes shaken by our movies but we do love to rock so...fcuk I dunno.... :-)
Very nice detailed review 👌. Lots of people will love these . I want bigger drivers . Subs are the last thing I got to buy still deciding thinking F18 or PB4000 it's killing me lol 😆😅 Thanks for awesome review.
I’m in the same boat the f18 looks so good
Look at Tsu UlS15
Is this new model has the transformer noise issue like all the old Ti series ? can you confirm if you hear the buzzing sound when it's idling mode ?
Thanks !
No buzzing on mine.
@@therealshanelee That's awesome, maybe they fixed, did you put the ear close to the sub ?
Gotta get yourself a decent subwoofer lead!
@@Antibackgroundnoise what you mean good lead ? i am using high level connection cable that came with REL package.
@@GG-ex5bk yeah but what about the LFE connection? The reason why I say this of course... when I was using a black lab audioquest sub lead, it was picking up unwanted noise possibly a grounding and it was only after I forked out for a chord showline sub lead that the unwanted noise and totally disappeared! As far as the transformer is concerned I really don't hear anything and bear in mind I just spent over £1,600 on cabling my setup because I can't put up with any kind of unwanted noise especially EMI on unshielded cables!
Hey Shane, I saw that you had the Bass Crossover at 80HZ. Is that better than 120HZ?
That crossover is for high-level only. The LFE has full signal from processor I.e. the LFE will get upto 120hz
@@grahamprescott9426 So 120hz is best?
@@gabemartinez1012 It might depends from your satellites specs but THX standard crossover is said to be 80Hz.
@@gabemartinez1012 the AVR crossover is only for when you set your mains to small and hand over the main speakers sub bass to the sub in addition to the LFE. LFE from your processor should be 120hz and down from the AVR. No need to adjust anything on the sub. If you have a duel purpose input on the sub then you should open the crossover up fully for HT
great video btw this sub is good for an apartment
Itsnt the driver in the bottom and the passiv in the front?
No
@@therealshanelee you are right, but so weird since the t5x has a downfiring driver and no passiv
Next up Rythmik F12?
No. Rythmik makes reviewers buy they're subs. They're good but not that good. Buy a Rel instead. It's a better product.
Why did you buy the F18’s then? Are you going to sell them?
Cool keep those Rels and sell me any Rythmics you might get.
had many subs in the past including 1 s/812 then 2 f12's, now buying 2 g22's... sparechange is wrong in this case... The rythemik subs easily hold their own against those Rel's. They trade blows... the Rel's do slightly better with dynamics but they do worse as subwoofers since they don't go as low and I find them less accurate (but I think this is a trade-off with dynamics versus servos). I thought both the s812 and the f12 had great and equal tonality for music.
I am hoping my new, yet undelivered g22's, due to less or practically zero resonance will also be better in every aspect of music as well.
I have to think that money is exchanging hands for many of these online reviews, even if they say that's not true.
Don't get me wrong those rels are absolutely fantastic, however they are severely overpriced. It's too bad that people can't audition them side by side.
@@therealshanelee I was looking for Rythmik at some points but you made your point loud and clear :) It seems coherent with Nemo Propaganda's opinion since he always have a hard time making the Rythmik sub the clear winner over Rel and Kef when it comes to music.
Hello everybody I own this subwoofer and I absolutely love it the best sounding subwoofer I have ever heard in my life I has subwoofers for as much as $4000 but this is my favourite one thing was wondering I noticed the light on the back never turns off which means I think the subwoofer never goes on sleep when it's not in use does it mean I have to turn it on and off every time or can it be left like that please help me with this thank you.
Isn't there a switch for always on/standby? Should be! The light is red in Standby and white when on.
Nice gloves
Gotta keep them fingerprint free.
SVS 4000 series or REL??
SVS is class D meaning no buzzing noise, REL T series are class A/B and you can hear the transformer buzzing sound.
This is a known issue from REL, if you are ok with the buzzing noise REL should be ok, personally I stop buying REL.
@@GG-ex5bk that's probably because you're using an cheap subwoofer leads! I know cos I was having a similar sort of problem with the audioquest black lab sub lead but when I upgraded to the chord shoreline subwoofer (internal grounding) leads... no more buzzing from my dual rel subwoofers!
Quindi va bene per i film?
Why don't they strap a class d to it. The price for performance of these are shocking lol. My 1961 1s is cheaper than one of these and will wipe the floor with it. I guess most of the money goes towards etching the rel logo on every side possible.
After hearing both class d and a/b.., a/b for hifi and SQ, and D for movies and spl.
What’s your room size ?
Super well done review. The only other thing that may have been helpful is to know more about the size of the room you tested these in. If it was a 25 x 18 x 11 foot room, one of these would almost undoubtedly be too small and not test well. Context with speakers is a big determinant of performance. Stumbled on this review and subscribed because it was so well done. Nice work.
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They seem more musical than for movies .
You should pay your heating bill, it must be cold if you wear leather gloves ;-)
Honestly, I don't understand the reason for this review. These speakers are meant for music and not home theater. REL has a dedicated line of subs designated by the HT in the model name.
Should I do a review for music like everyone else or show how it performs for movies. You didn’t know the reason. Now you do.
Oh man.... Those biceps....
Where the t9 x properly break in?
No app. Goodbye REL, hello SVS.
Hi, what about sound quality? Is the app your No.1 priority when buying a subwoofer? The G1 and No. 25 have a remote, maybe Rel should offer an optional remote working with every of their sub? If you have Microsoft/Huawei phone/tablet, the app probably won't be compatible. Also, maybe a future Android/iOS "update" might break the whole thing and prevent you to setup your system again once you change room or speakers.
@@mignotmaxime2409 It’s sorted! I decided to stick with REL as I did not realise they actually sound superior to SVS.
@@photomusicman9413 May I ask if you know it for a fact because you have now tried both Rel and SVS or do you rely on reviewers and/or internet chat? I must admit than without actually trying them at home, I have a hard time knowing which one is best lots of folks are pro Rel and lots are pro SVS...
@@mignotmaxime2409 I owned several REL subs over the years and when I saw that SVS have an app for some of their subs I wanted to buy one. Then, on advice from my dealer who sells both SVS and REL, he reminded me that REL is faster, more musical and you can use the hi-inputs at the same time as the LFE input. So, I haven't heard an SVS in person but I am sticking with REL now.
@@photomusicman9413 Which ones did you owned and currently own? Did musicality, nuance, texture, extension and overall volume improved significantly while upgrading?
£1300 for a 300 watt sub with a 10 inch driver?
I think I'll pass...
If one was boom boom boom then go with an 18-inch conventional subwoofer but if one is looking for a refinement at the low-end 🤔
It's a class AB and dual driver. The measurement was REL's choice to be more strict and in reality these are more like a 600w subwooofer.
I've demoed the T9X and for its size the power this thing has and the sheer volume it goes to without distorting is mind blowing.
Worth every penny when you hear it for music and still good for movies
Все смешали в кучу и музыку , и кино ,это совсем разные вещи , для которых надо покупать разные сабвуферы.
This is the goofy sub that walks across the floor unless you Blue-Tack it down.
I've never had that issue.
@@therealshanelee Ah..I see your video you have it on a rug--problem solved.
Thanks. SVS is garbage we all get it. Look at em wrong and they’ll fall apart. Love the Rels people should stop buying the SVS products. Quality control is complete shit
Definitely agree ryan350sx
That customer bill of rights and all those affiliates costs the buyer money or quality.
I have both. SVS are not garbage. Customer service is solid and I have owned five SVS subs. From medium to large subs. All have been great for cinema use. There is great air movement for a respectable price. App is amazing and easy to use. . RELs are great for high level connection for music.
Not a fan of how RELs look.
10inch woofer lol
There are no "movie" and "music" subwoofers. You claim there is no music in movies or one doesn't need full range in music? There are only good and bad subwoofers. And if it can't play 20Hz loud and clear it's woofer in fancy cabinet with internal amplifier. SUBwoofer needs to play SUB frequencies.
There are subwoofers made specifically aimed at home theaters and two channel setups. So your statement is false. I've reviewed enough to know this.
@@therealshanelee Your statement is false. Which parameter of subwoofer exactly determine which is which?
@@lukeace347 Google it. Or you can join my patreon if you want to continue the conversation.
@@therealshanelee Your video is invalid, as your argument. Read some books about acoustic and electro-mechanic devices. Get some education. Don't lie to people and stop beign ignorant please.
@@therealshanelee Stop being childish and get your knowledge from library and professors, not google please. Also stop deleting my comments please.
Okay who disliked the video? Always a couple haters.
REL subs are not subs! REL = Crap!
REL subs are very musical but they use the cheap transformer, so it produces buzzing issue, I already confirm by the REL tech person.
It's what you get for what you pay IMO, i wish they replace the cheap amp by class D amp.
I'm a stickler for unwanted noise and I can assure you if my dual Rels made any sort of noise they would not be in my setup! But mind you... it was only after I purchased chord shawline subwoofer leads that they become totally silent!
@@Antibackgroundnoise i dont think cable.make any dofference, i spent thousands on cables and doesnt make differences for me. And i am using the REL factory high level connection. If you just turn on the sub and listen to it carefully you will hear transfomer noise, very low noise. If you have good ears you can hear it or ask some teenagers, they can certainly hear. Its just cheap transformers that REL uses.
@@GG-ex5bk I agree with you... apart from excellent shielding expensive cables doesn't necessarily make the sound quality better but what it does do ensure that one receives the full connection... so basically all it's done for me is make my previous average subwoofer lead become apparent!
Unfortunately this video creator has got his knowledge from google and advertisment brochures. Mind that please.
Still shooting off stupid comments huh.
@@therealshaneleeBe meritorical, don't be rude, please
@@lukeace347 if you come to my place and try to be rude you're gonna get it right back. Don't be a snowflake.
@@therealshanelee You mean white and cool? It's not you place. You are only guest on RUclips. Stop lie to people. Get some knowledge. Stop spreading fake, marketing informations from brochures.
@@therealshaneleeYou mean white and cool? It's not your place, you are only a guest on RUclips. Stop lying to people. You know that you confirm you are wrong by deleting my polite comments.