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REL T9X Subwoofer Review. No catchy title needed.
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
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Your results may vary based on your ears, room, and associated equipment:
By far the best review I have ever viewed on SUBS. Not overly tech talk! The way you pointed out the SQ vs the SPL is what sold me. I'm not the SPL guy. As a matter of fact I've been quite content without the addition of a sub. But I had an experience listening to an SQ sub and I now want one. The fact that REL can disappear is magic and it's that magic I am looking for. Many thanks! Even the CEO of REL was not as convincing. Just plain speak and straight to the highlights and comparisons, how refreshing!!!!!!!!!
Hey Kenton, thank you for the kind words. I always believed everyone loves bass as long as they get the type of bass that is best for their taste :)
Just picked up a pair of T9x too. Nemo your are the gold standard for subwoofer reviews. Thank you
Thank you for the kind words my man and HUGE congratulations on getting an awesome pair of subs!!!!
I've been watching a lot of videos about Subwoofers and especially the Rel Ti-Tx series. Your emphasis of Sound Quality (SQ) versus Sound Pressure Level (SPL) in subwoofers is very useful and gets to the heart of the subwoofer debate. Your comparisons of the different subs in a similar range as the t9x is very useful. "Real music vs. fake music" is a great way to consider a listeners needs. I ordered a pair of T9x this morning. Thanks!
Wooo! Congratulations, that's a fine purchase :D. I might end up buying the review sample myself.
@@NemoPropaganda I have dual HT1003. Will replacing dual HT1003 with T/9X would be significant upgrade to SQ? My room size is 15 by 13.
@@PremKumar-vt1hq Yes, as long as your source material is good. If you're using bluetooth for music for example maybe they will sound similar but with a good source like CD or High-Res streaming the difference should be very noticeable.
@@NemoPropaganda What a great and constructive reply! You give lots of great hints and analogies. Not just a home theater vs music, but type of music, and type of music format. And as you mention, one’s typical listening volume. (Mine is on the medium/loud side)
@@edmundgil6008 thank you sir!
“It’s a limited production model, let’s not talk about it”
Haha, I love this guy
Loved the review. I am a REL fanboy at this point. I just got a t7X to replace a t9i and I was flipper back and forth yesterday to compare. The 7x seems to hit just as hard as the 9i but does it faster and with more clarity. It really is amazing how much the changes to the T series improved the sound. I thought the i series was great until I heard this. The x series just blends away. I thought it was mostly marketing but your review of the t5x made me want to give it a shot and I am glad I did. So thank you for these.
If you are on the fence or wondering if an upgrade is worth it… it is IMO.
Thank you for sharing Peter. It’s hard for me to suggest the upgrade from i to x as i range was still fantastic. I guess it depends if you have the cash or if its a stress.
@@NemoPropaganda I get where you’re coming from. I just needed another sub for a small home theatre so I moved the t9i to it so I could pick up the x for my music system 😁
@@pmizz7959 Do you find the T9i to dig deep enough for home theater?
@@ABHORRANCE831 It dug a tad bit deeper and had a bit more rumble. The latter probably due to the slower nature of the bigger and slower driver. I am running my 9i in my home theatre right now. It’s a smaller room and provides plenty for me. However, if I didn’t already have it I probably would have went with the REL HT12 for my home theatre. Depends on your application. If you are more music I’d go with the 7x and if your more movie but still want a musical sub the 9i is hard to argue with. Just don’t expect that HT slam you get with other HT subs.
Just watched this again. I just gotta say. I have no idea why you don’t have 10x the subscribers. Your actual content in just as good as the other hifi reviewers. Just cause you don’t have fancy B roll doesn’t mean the actual meat and potatoes isn’t on par or better than the others.
Because Zero Fidelity already exists and I'm just a a better looking version of him with less data points :D ahahaha, jk jk, he's a friend of mine but all jokes aside though. Who knows, I'm happy with the channels size and growth though :).
@@NemoPropaganda Sean seems to be a very down to earth dude. Love his content too, well just keep doing what you doing and I’m sure it will keep growing😉
Dude, you make GREAT videos... you paint a beautiful picture of how speakers/subs sound with just words and bring out many good points. I truly love your reviews!
Thank you my man, I appreciate you saying that.
Thanks again for spending the time comparing the variety of SQ first subwoofers you've had the privilege of listening to.
Thank you for watching Rocco :)
What a great video. Thank you for making this video and giving such an easy to understand review of the REL. I was thinking about getting the T7/X, but based on your comments and the dimensions of your test room, I think I'll go with the T9/X instead. Keep up the great work!
This was a great discussion. Very, very helpful. Thanks for sharing, Brother Nemo!
Thx. Just got this. At first, couldn’t tell it wasn’t even on. You’re totally right, it blends beautifully with speakers.
Great to hear!
Thoroughly enjoyed your T7X review.
And I continued with the T9X.
Thanks for the comparison to SVS n KEF. Especially the difference between SQ and SPL buyers and subs.
Great review. 🌈👍
Glad it was helpful :)
5 Gold Stars!! I LOVE my T9i and now understand better why I do. Keep up the good work!
Happy to help :)
I listen to all sorts of music: classical, new age, hip hop, pop, EDM and more. I ended up getting a pair of Rythmik E15SE subs in piano black. Overkill for my room? Absolutely but I am sooo satisfied with my purchase. The setup took less than 5 minutes and I've been in bliss ever since.
Love Rythmik subs! I own the F12SE. Had a pair originally but 1 actually sounded better in my room for music. If it was a mixed theater setup I would have kept the duals though.
My beloved Velodyne HGS 12 sub finally died for the last time, which was top of the line for it's day (SQ + SPL but big $), and I'm ordering a T9X now. I'm a two channel SQ listener all the way. Don't give a darn about thump thump SPL theater subs. Back in the day, Velodyne was one of only a few brands that was SQ and SPL "musical" sub. Thanx for the review.
you're in for a pretty serious treat, Velodyne was nowhere near as good as we all give them credit for, 20 years ago maybe, not today though. Everyone that upgrades from a Velodyn to a REL or Rythmik is usually blown away by the difference. Velodyne was great at making big bass in a compact enclosure that didn't dominate the presentation but the note to note distinction was god awful, no doubt caused by the dsp's available back then.
I found the T9/x lacking in most uses and returned it. In my room and my system, it didn't do it for me. On some tracks it sounded good, some others where I knew there was some base notes, it just didn't deliver. It is a small box and only does 27HZ, and fit/finish/looks are great, but there's far better subs for that $ in my view. It may still be a good choice for those with limited space, small rooms, etc, was not the right fit for me.
I bought a T9x this week and connected it to my LS50W's .1/LFE using the arrow wireless system for a 2.1 mixed HT/Music living room setup. The T7x would have had plenty of extension for my medium-sized room but the T9x was available and will grow with me over time (renter here). It delivers for both with powerful, taught, articulate bass. It does so with ease and singleness of purpose that make it stand out to me.
Hey Parker I'm so happy to hear it was a win for you, that's awesome!!! I still miss the T9X and wish I still had them here :(.
@@NemoPropaganda They’re awesome; never would’ve discovered REL or that I’m an SQ customer without your channel so thank you. My local shop is also marketing JL Audio as an SQ brand which surprised me given your impression they’re the King of SPL but personally haven’t heard them. They have an upgrade program so I may audition in a few years.
@@parkermackenzie9848 compared to other subs I can see people thinking of JL as an SQ sub as it does have very good sound quality. I would say they are the highest sound quality SPL subs I've ever heard.
I swear you can read my mind because you describe my Rel subwoofers perfectly!
"If one wants a high performance subwoofer sound then one should go to someone who only deals with a high performance sound!"
BTW Rel subwoofers are not English... they are Welsh 🧐Hence the red dragon
Fantastic review! Thank you for taking the time to do the review on this sub!
Hi Nemo. Thanks for the thoughtful review. I notice in one shot on this video you have a pair of Focals on stands with the T9x's. That's pretty much exactly what I'll have in a month or so! I ordered a pair of the new Focal Aria Evo X no 1's, (they're back-ordered as I really want the green finish...) Along with them will be a pair of REL T9x's, in white :) Considering the living room colors I think it will all look beautiful besides sounding great, with Primaluna CDP and Primaluna Integrated. Currently I'm listening to a pair of oooold original Meadowlark Kestrels, (small 2-way floor-standers), with a T7x in the corner of a very large living room (25 x 35 x 10). The REL makes a huge difference. Very good sounding combo. Can't believe I waited this long for a REL. Based on budget and room considerations I think the Focals and T9x's should be a nice combination. Again, thanks for your reviews. Much appreciated.
that should be a great setup, Focal & REL go together extremely well!! Except the Kanta No1, that speaker is just a bastard and very difficult to setup with a subwoofer for some reason.
I learn so much from watching your videos. A job well done!
Thank you! Your channel is very refreshing an ON NONSENSE. I love the way you explain everything that many of us don't understand or don't know when it comes to purchasing audio equipment. I think I'm going with TWO REL T9X Subwoofers with my KLIPSCH Heresy IV speakers in my 25 x 25 x 12 room. Can't wait to hear them! Thanks NEMO!
Thank you for the kind words Ron, that sounds like a great room! We have a free discord if you want to post some pics. Link is in the description.
After watching this excellent video on the T9x and trusting in your subwoofer expertise, I decide to buy one. WOW! It adds an extra dimensionality to my system. Incredible!
Thanks Nemo! 👍
I'm happy to hear you're enjoying it, congrats!
great review! I def appreciate SQ-oriented subwoofers and I love the REL subs. I have also had great experiences with older M&K subs too.
Great review as always. You always manage to include lots of interesting tidbits in a short amount of time! Thanks for your videos
I actually left so much out on this video I might have to make a part 2 lol. Thank you though :).
@@NemoPropaganda I can see that. But your videos always flow nicely. Your take on people's ability to know what they're looking for (spl vs sq) could definitely be a video in itself. Took me forever to decide because I wanted both (home theater + stereo setup). We could all use extra tips!
@@raphaelmeillat8527 ah yes indeed, that's an important one, I did make a video about it, it's the REL vs. SVS. video, that was the whole point of that video. But everyday I learn more effieicent ways to explain these things so what was an entire video of it's own can now be a 2 minute clip in another video.
Cayman is a great car -- got one as a loaner during covid and man it was fun!
awesome review! watched a lot of your reviews!
we went to the shop this weekend and listned to both the T9x and HT1205MK2, i thought to go home with the T9x because of the reviews and looks but diddnt.. I missed the low notes in music with the T9x! it sounded kind of flat in our opinion, just trying to get the low notes but just diddnt .. and the HT picked them up just fine! maybe its slower and less detailed than the 9x but also this wasn't what i experienced. i liked the looks of the T9x better though... anyway im happy that i went to the store to compare the 2 and maybe i get an T9x one time to join the HT one day =)
keep up the good work!
Nice! The HT range is awesome, I think a lot of people would be happier with an HT. T/X & HT are both really great subs, just different. A lot of people enjoy the lighter tone of the T/X while others enjoy the stronger low end of the HT :)
@NemoPropaganda awesome that you took the time to give an response!
Yes the HT gave me a better feeling .. listened with my daughter to Billy Eilish and diddnt hear the half song on the T9x same as with songs from the prodigy or Tool ao Korn songs... but the HT was nice full but not boomy at all... Happy with it....
Now get the right adjustments... think I set the crossovers of the speakers and sub to 80 first and run my audyssey again...
Maybe it gets even better!
Shame that I don’t even know your actual name, anyways I love your patience to reply all my novices questions 😊 really helpful!! Hope you continue with that as I can see you going to be very popular soon!!! Best, love watching your videos!!
I'll respond to comments for as long as I can, if I had 100k subs and 2000 comments on each vid I probably would slow down though. Most larger channels either pay someone to answer comments or simply don't engage because it starts to take up a ton of time.
Absolutely, thank you
Got my T/5x today, love it, it's great for music and I have it set up that my LFE also gives out the bass of all channels, Marantz sr5015. The position I chose to put it in the middle of the speaker driver just to the side.
nice dude!
@@NemoPropaganda meanwhile I tried high level output. You where not wrong. This is fun.
@@MT-eb2dx good, I'm happy you're enjoying this. Don't become one of those audiophiles that gets so serious over everything lol, it's hobby and should always be fun :D
Great video....most under rated hifi channel in UTOOB....its should 60K not 5.69K!
Keep rocking and hope to see you growing.
Please try to review more expensive speakers (1000-3000$)
Thank you bro, maybe will do in the future :). For now the channel is a bit small to get such expensive review samples. But I’m sure I will in the future.
Great video! I love my Rythimik but your videos make me want to try a bunch of different subs to see what I’m.missing. I’m def an SQ person. I love that my Rythmik sounds like an extension of my Maggies and is impossible to locate. Does a great job for movies too.
If you have Rythmik subs you're in a good place, no need to try anything else imo unless there is something you don't like about them.
@@NemoPropaganda I love it. A big improvement over my old Klipsch sub I bought years ago.
One thing to consider when using low level inputs without a crossover, or, high level inputs, is how well the main speakers behave at the bottom of their frequency range. (Case 1) I had a pair of well reviewed budget speakers where every frequency below 50Hz flatlined at 50Hz. I went through 3 subs before I realized that was the problem. My equipment at the time did not support a crossover (and I had yet not learned about the crossover in the following case) so I replaced the speakers. The new speakers have enough extension where I'm not compelled to add a sub. (Case 2) I have a pair of desktop speakers that have a sub out without a crossover, the bass frequencies sounded terrible even with a REL T0 MkIII sub attached. I put an analog crossover after the preamp in the circuit, high pass to the speakers and low pass to the sub, the system sounds 10x better that it did before. The sub blends in perfectly.
I've never had that problem, I almost wonder if you might have a challenging room.
I experimented with crossing over both mains and sub in two instances (Nad M3 -> Buchardt S400/Rel T/7i and Kef LSX -> Rel T/7i). In both cases running the mains full range gave the best result, so I guess result may vary 🙂 I definitely like the idea of optimizing mains placement for imaging and sub placement for bass response (had troubles with my S400 exciting previously, thankfully moving them slightly in all planes helped). Guess I will try crossing over at the amp again when I get my 2. sub.
I like the way you describe the difference between SQ and SPL subs. You do it so well I prefer your channel over others. I'm for sure SQ guy. I've ordered a B&M 805 D4 powered by MICHI 5 and am looking for a matching sub. REL recommends S/510, but after watching your videos I leaning towards one or two T/5x. I live in a condo, and my listening position would be about 10' from the speakers (from the couch to TV). The living room, combined with the dining room, is about 12.5x27' with vaulted ceilings. I'm not a fan of punchy bass, my main purpose is for classical music. What is your opinion, should I step up for bigger T/7x or T/9x?
woo, lucky for you brother I have the s510 and red t9x in for review right now so my memory is fresh!! Right now i'm using the Platimon with those subs which is in a similar tier as your 805 D4 albeit a little more affordable. So the reality is this, you have a shared wall, bass can be an issue with any sub if you crank the volume too much. With that said I do not suggest restricting yourself to something small out of worry for the neighbor, instead you must be smart with your listening habits, keep the volume down past 9pm or even 8pm if you can for example. Larger subs do more than simply play louder, they have a larger sense of scale & sound more effortless which will be important with your highend speakers. I love t5x but bare minimum I would suggest is to start with 1 t9x and add a second one later if you want to. As amazing as t9x is the s510 really is a step up in many ways so I do agree with REL's suggestion. However the t9x will for sure get the job done nicely, there is a gentleman in my discord that has a similar system to you and his room is even larger, we were both worried the single t9x would not be enough but his home decor demanded only a single sub and he was very happy with the results. Hope that helps.
I bloody love it when you call out hateres and fanboys....ppl need to live and lit live
Thanks Wezz, yeah it's just the typical internet shit, people repeating shit other people have said without having any first hand experience.
Thank you for the help, not really ready to shop yet but you sure help mate
that's what I'm here for :D feel free to join the discord if you want to chat more with like minded people: discord.gg/pNtZkqh8
Thank you for the explanation between the 2 types. I thought that there was a difference. Seems that I need both and just connect one or the other depending on exactly what I am doing.
That's definitely an option. I know people with both :).
@@NemoPropaganda I bought both and use SVS for movies and Rel for music in different systems and rooms. Loving the results!
Thank you for this review, it has really been very helpful. I am currently looking at different sub-options for two-channel music listening only and have been a little confused over my options, especially when most subwoofer reviewers focus on how much bass subs have, which is not at all what I am interested in. Your explanation of the differences between SQ and SPL subs was very helpful. My question is if you have tested the next level of REL subs in the S series and how they compare overall to the T/ T9. Also what other subs do you recommend purely on an SQ level for matching with some premium speakers and amplification?
Hi Tony, it really depends on a lot of factors including personal taste. If you're looking for subs with the best integration & SQ Rythmik & REL are the ones. Some people like their sub to be a little more in your face with its presence and that's were JL Audio is a great option, some people want a good all around sub with a ton of features and SVS is fantastic at that while others might want killer extension in a small form factor and KEF is dominant at that. I have not heard the S sub from REL but a user in my free discord has owned both if you want to hop in there and ask :)
Rel recommended that I buy an s510 to best match my Totem Tribe tower speakers but I just couldn't spend the 3k plus for the s510 so opted for a t9x. I hope I don't regret not getting the one Rel recommended. I'm thinking the t9x will do the job and do it well. Thanks for the review.
Hi Ron, I know many people who were receommended S510 but couldn't handle the price tag so they went for the T9X, many of them could afford it but theres something about a sub over $2k that gives a lot of us cold feet. Anyhow, I digress, all of them were pretty darn happy with the results. Now if you're expecting to pressurize a medium or larger room with theater levels of bass a single T9X won't do that but, if you're looking to enhance your music or add some fullness to your movies while retaining the highest level of bass fidelity then I'd say you got the perfect sub.
Nice review thank you. For me, I will not sacrifice getting a sub without an app. And this is why I love svs' subwoofers. I'm surprised at your honesty that you've got sealed 10inch subs in your room and you even said one could be enough, which should tell many audio fans out there that one doesn't really need a gigantic 16in ported sub in a reasonable sized room for entertainment. These guys with great knowledge about subwoofers themselves are regular down the earth people that get sent extremely large subs for reviews only. Unless they've got a specifically built home theatre place why keep a massive cube-like attention seeking box in a tiny room even if you had the cash?
My room size is no different from yours BTW and my sb3000 alone is an over-killer. But it is compact and that's why I've bought it. I ran off after I was invited to see a sb4000. It could never be discrete in my little room due to its sheer size plus weight and spouse acceptance factor.
it all depends on listening habits and personal taste. HT guys for example need a lot of headroom, some of them are chasing substantial output at 12hz!! You'll need 18's for that even in a smaller room. For music guys though, most may be shocked to learn that you don't need too large a subwoofer for music. A pair of 10's is plenty in most rooms.
REL are the masters of sub bass equipment. They specialise in sub bass.
I like the way you can set Rels and then leave them alone and you pretty much ignore them. I always was aware of my SVS SB-2000s.
agree, it's just a different kind of presentation. Some people like noticing their sub while others don't.
Get two if you have the room. Don’t have to buy both new; wait until you can find a used one or one where the cabinet is damaged. I have 2 t/7i’s in a 11 x 15 foot listening area and one was fine, but 2 does better.
I have two :D
Just sold my 1800 watts 12 inches sub 12 to buy 2 x t9x… was afraid to have enough bass, or impact with my HT… I was so wrong!!! More punch, more sound than what I had before… just not understand how!!! Took some time to adjust, but when I hit to sweet spot… very sweet!!!
Awesome! I totally agree, once you get the sub setup right its much more powerful than you would expect based on the specs.
You do a great job , lots of information + how you see it . Still listening to my Emotiva RS 11 with the Wharfedale "Linton's " thru a Primaluna Prologue integrated , 200 sf living room, vaulted ceiling. Had two T5i's ,nice but ended up with the RS 11.$1299. like that 500 watts , even though I'm sure I have never kicked it in ,laff . Thinking about this t9x now. Maybe I'm missing more than I know😲 !
The RS11 is a different beast, it's more about output and force while the T9X is more about fidelity and nuance detail.
Thanks for replying. I just took the t9x plunge. Found an open box deal. Really anxious to get it and plug it in. B.t.w. , you do a very good job with your reviews. Very comfortable and informative & never boring. Having all those nice subs there ,,,I'm jealous !!
@@jerryjohnson4625 thank you for the kind words, don't be jealous though, my rooms a mess lol
Somehow I missed this but man, your love for this shit really shows here. Appreciate you!
I am highly offended 😶ahaha jk jk, yeah man I love this shit, listening to music is like my meditation.
Rel’s over high level are MAGIC. They disappear like no other. I can’t wait to step up to 510’s or 812 from them.
I don't see why not, that's really the whole point of the S range and up. A lot of people think REL doesn't have "that much bass" to me that's just not true, sure the cheaper stuff like the 5x can't play as loud, it's a tiny sub for gods sake but their larger stuff can pound just like anything else including the 9x pair I have here.
I have two s/812 paired with my Cornwall iv’s. AWESOME!!
@@TM-fx2pi I’m jealous. That sounds exquisite!
@@Novilicious you will not be disappointed if you upgrade.
You're videos are amazing, they are my reference point for buying my first subwoofer, the only problem is I can't make my mind up !!! Then spend further hours going thru them again. I have a 15ft x 13ft room and have ordered a powernode with a pair of ls50 meta's. I only use the set up for music, is the KC62 the best match or are there cheaper alternatives ???????
I’d go for the T9i you mentioned or maybe a pair. KC62 is great but you’re paying for the size.
Thank you for an excellent and detailed review!!!
Hey Nemo , not sure who to ask about my t9x issue. It's already been returned, but I really like the way it sounds. My sub has to set very close to my wooden HiFi cabinet, at the left side but forward. The sub started moving in and out very fast, I turned the volume on the amplifier down. The fluttering stopped. Every time I would try to turn it up past 3 maybe it would start moving out of control while playing records. It did not do that when I ran it through my DVD player and watch d a concert. It sounded great. Went back to the record and it started fluttering again. I had the Emotiva se12 , passive radiator , same location, same turntable, same everything. It never did that. So I don't know why is. Sets on a hardwood floor over a basement. But I don't have much turntable jumping, so the floor is pretty taunt for a wooden floor. Just wondering if there could be anything wrong with that r e l causing it to do that. Any idea?
Appreciate you and all the work that goes into infofun videos.
I couldn't say brother, I don't use phono myself and I've never had any issue like that.
Extremely well done!! Thank you so much
Have you tried both high and low level connections? Is there a noticeable difference at all? Some say high level sounds much better as it apparently uses different filters.
I recently invested in the S400MKIIs and have a T9/x from my prior setup. I’m still researching different amplifiers at the moment so I haven’t tested the high level yet as the cable is still in the factory packaging. I’ve only used low level on the T9/x in my previous LS50W2 setup so I was curious as to your thoughts on this matter.
Thanks for your detailed reviews! :)
High & low level use the same filter. There is a slight difference, maybe 10%. The biggest benefit of high level is it bypasses the sub output and most AVR have crappy filters on their sub output. If you have really good pre-outs the difference will be even smaller. On my preamp I don't think you can really hear a difference but if I use a cheaper $500 amp then high level is obviously better because the REL filter is better than the $500 amp sub output.
Dude, can’t say how much I love your videos. I had a 987 Cayman myself 😂 now I have a Macan Turbo with two JL 10W3s. I just bought a pair of Cornwall IVs… I think I’m going to have to save up for two of these subs since I have a really open vaulted room to fill. Thoughts? Thinking about the NAD M10 to power it all.
ah that was a good year cayman! So since you have popular speakers I would say just give rel a buzz or shoot them an email, tell them about your room size and intended use and they should be able to tell you exactly which size is best for you, they're really good at that. I've had all the T/X subs in my room and from the begining they told me the 7X would be best in my room. I scoffed thinking a pair of 8's wouldn't get the job done but they were right!
I would love for you to review the REL S510. Any chance that may happen? Awesome job as always!
I'm sure I'll review one at some point :)
@@NemoPropaganda dying to know your thoughts. You break that shit down so well I do not think I have seen anyone compare the two other than REL.
Good vid. You come across as genuine....👍👍
I had a listen to the t9x the other day, good sub. Im thinking of getti g the 7x . I love in an aprtment with neighbours below. I noticed quite a lot of bass comi g from under the unit, from the passive radiator. Will a down firing radiator mean the neighboirs below will hear more from.me, or not? Should i put the sub on a stone platform if i get it? I have wooden floorvoards atm. Thank you!
Possibly, but bass loads the room regardless of driver arrangement. When I was in an apartment I did have a 1.25” granite slab underneath my subwoofer with a sheet of 1/8” rubber on the wood floor underneath the granite. It helped a lot but at the end of the day it mostly depends on how well the apartment is built :). I’ve found keeping the volume down after 8:30pm generally helped me avoid complaints.
@@NemoPropaganda great, thanks v much :))
Doubt you will read comment under old video but will give a shot. I have kf92 which is great for movies and music alike. Recently I was thinking to add either another kf92, for better dispersion as I use fraction of Kf92 power, or try to add REL specially for music listening via my Arcam AVR. Now big question is what would be better for music in medium size room with ls50 metas - two kf92s (bonus in movies), two t7x high pass and lfe connected, or 1x t9x. With high pass because I use mono blocks single Rel afaik is a no go so last option would be connected via lfe. All would be room corrected with Dirac with base management. For stereo music listening lfe would be disabled in second option (t7x). Btw for those speakers and room size Rel recommends t7x
both subs are great, just different. REL recommends running speakers full range and not using high pass. Anyway the T7X cannot come close to the extension of the KF92 but will offer up more bass fidelity and nuance detail. However if you use both KF92 and T7X at the same time then that nuance detail will be lost. Since REL is very popular my advice is to demo them locally first as they are very different from what you currently have. You may love it, but you also may hate it.
In the UK, we can pick up the T9i for £749 whereas the new T9x is £1299, does this make the old model a bargain ?
Absolute bargain! The T/i range is awesome!
@@NemoPropaganda Just bought the T9i, thank you for your help |!
Wooo! Congrats Jason!
Hey Brother im definitely stuck between both camps plus you know I suffer from A.P. In your opinion do you think I could maybe achieve The Best of Both Worlds with Rel S Series?
Enjoy your weekend out on the boat. I can't wait to come back to Arizona in about a month
Sounds really good, thank you for your review! I think the logo is really ugly and the branding is too much for me. That is really a dealbreaker for me unfortunately. I love the looks of the kc62 but I am afraid that it is not enough sound output at really low frequencies.
I'd hope for a slightly bigger kc version (92) for example
Is the KF92 an option? Or are you worried it will be replaced soon with a “KC92” version?
@@NemoPropaganda yeah, i thought about the kf92 as well, but I'm not sure if it will be replaced or the kc 62 would be the better sub for my room or if it's enough. But I love the looks of it.
I think a bigger kc is just the next evolutional step. This technology seems that promising and sells well, that I can't imagine that kef won't take that opportunity.
I might try the kc62 in the near future (after some saving for it. The ls50 alone suck without a sub :D). I hope for an announcement for a slightly bigger model whatsoever in this period.
I apologize if you have already done so and I have missed it. But it’d be cool to see a review of the HSU-ULS-15 MK2 if you could get your hands on it.
Hey Matt, despite being only 20 minutes down the road Hsu Research will not respond to any of my emails so at this point I have zero interest in reviewing their products.
@@NemoPropaganda wow I didn’t realize how close they were to you. I can’t blame you for that one.
@@mattolsziewski7164 yeah, they wouldn't even have to ship anything lol, oh well.
Hey Nemo, Just was curious as to what company you purchased your acoustical panels from? Have a similar size room with NAD and Maggie's. Sounds amazing. Need to go to the next step with my room. Next step after room treatment is sub. Thinking either T5x Rel or Kef 62. Thanks for doing the vids...they're GREAT!
the ones you see in the video are just polyester panels I ordered from Amazon (search DEKIRU 20 Pack Acoustic Panels Sound Dampening Panels), the real acoustic panels you can't see are at the first reflection points and made by GIK (gobo panel).
Could you maybe cover even higher class of subwoofers like the s series, g25hp, or JL audio stuff? Of course, the one I should really be asking is your back.
JL audio subs are EVEN HIGHER class than REL?
Are jl audio as good as rel strictly for music though? Im looking at a dominion d110, or rel tx7
@@yamafanboy JL subs start atound $1k and their flagship is $12.5k
To comment on this whole thread, all 3 of those brands (JL, REL, Rythmik) performance-wise are all high end just different. JL cannot offer a review sample and I have reviewed many Rythmik subwoofers already. Personally I'm not sure I want to review any 100+ lb subwoofers. It's just not fun for me.
@@NemoPropaganda there are smaller stuff in that price range like goldenear subs. I think its worth while to ask if its better to get 2 of your highly rated subs around $1000 like the t9x or go for one more capable sub. How capable depends on if you think the deminiationing returns still warrant double the price again.
Thanks for your reviews Nemo. Has anyone used the dual T9X's in a large room.
I have a room that is 3100 cubic feet and I want to make sure they will provide enough output to provide impactful, room filling base.
I am in the final stages of purchasing my new subs
Thanks for the input
its hard to say how much will be enough, I know a gentleman with a single T9X in a room that size and he says its absolutely perfect, conversly I talked to a guy that had dual 212 in a smaller room and said it wasn't enough. You do have a large room but if its a music only system it should be just fine however everyones taste in bass quantity is different and if this is for theater you may want to consider a pair of Predator 1510 or 1205 MK2 instead.
Nice review nemo I'm still stuck on my next subwoofer purchase
I was stuck for quite some time as well. Finally managed to bite the bullet after months of hesitation! It feels good!
@@raphaelmeillat8527 nice I was looking at a 1205 but if I can hold myself and these t9x are just as good for movies I might just jump on this hows your experience so far?
the 1205 is good at it's price but the 9x is built a lot better and will offer up a lot more fidelity, bass detail, textures, etc... When you place them side by side it becomes very clear why the price is so different. How much bass is enough, that's the magic question. Some guys are happy with 1 8" sub, some guys have 4 18" subs and still want more lol.
@@NemoPropaganda yea I hear what your saying man wish I could hear these somewere
I'm considering 2 x T/9x to complement my ported floorstanders in a 2-channel music system in a 19x22x8 room that is open to a hallway and open staircase to upstairs level. I can't find anywhere whether the LPF in the T/9x is 24dB per octave (to best match the roll off of my ported mains which are approx -6dB at 50Hz in room) or only 12dB per octave. Any ideas?
Hi Darren, the T9X blended so well with all my speakers I never felt the need to ask REL about the slope. I have found variable slope to be a helpful setup tool with other subwoofers that offer it but with the T9X it just blended with everything. Hope this helps.
Great reviews. I noticed that most of the sub reviews use monitor speakers. What if you have floor standing 3-way speakers? Will the smaller subs like the T7X do the job, or do you have to go with the T9x (if you can only afford having one sub)? I've read so many comments saying that two subs are always better than one, but other comments saying that the smaller subs can't integrate well with the bigger flood standing speakers that have deeper bass than the monitors. Your thoughts?
It depends on a lot of factors including the room. There is no one way answer to this question unfortunately.
I picked up some Focal On Wall 302 in my living room for a 5.1.4 and of course stereo for music. The fairly clean looks come at the cost of low-end extension, so they kinda need a 70-80 Hz crossover (rated for 50). What sub would you pair with that for about 17 square meters / 180 square ft? Right now I have T9X and 1205 on my list. Focal's own Sub 1000 F would fit within the budget as well. I am leaning a bit more towards 12 inches since it is home theater first. I think 15 inches might be a tad too much for the size of the room and crossover frequency. I definitely want to enjoy low volumes too without the neighbors complaining all the time.
HT1205 MK2 is a fantastic option if you want to make sure you have enough output & extension. The T9X is no slouch but you will get more room rumble out of the 1205 MK2.
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Bought this sub to go with an Ambeo soundbar on the recommendation of where I bought the LG OLED 77 and Ambeo soundbar. I said it would be for mostly movie and reg tv . Only music would be from streaming or what the music channels are on local Xfinity cable. Had them out a few times and tried different settings etc .Not sure what was wrong , but just not satisfied with the sub sound performance ! I returned it, so now on the fence of going with the Rel HT-1205 or the SVS SB-2000 ?
what aspects specifically dissapointed you? your room may have some bass issues that may require dual subs. The T9X while not the most dominant subwoofer is still of a respectable size being a 10" with 300w. If that was a let down you might need to jump up to something much stronger like a JL D110, KEF KF92 or Rythmik FVX12 or something like a pair of HT1205 or SB1000/2000 Pro.
One sub for the rest of your life- your room- music only- you going F12 or T/9x? Where you say the T/9x is maybe 5-10% better fidelity than F12 in some ways, does the E15 move closer to the 9x or exceed it in fidelity? I understand output wayyyy different
It's hard for me to imagine living anyother way than how I currently live. I don't have to choose between anything since I live alone. I liked both so I got both for myself :). Both have worldclass sound quality, easier way to look at it is size, Rythmik starts at 12" and goes up so they're gonna have more extension, REL comes in and gives us smaller options with excellent SQ and understandably less extension. Choose based on size/extension needs.
Thank u, Rel are very good, happy Xmas
Hey Tony, Merry Christmas to you also :)
Hi Nemo…LOVE your reviews! I am running Dynaudio Contour 20s in a 12'x14’ room with 8’ ceilings. Stereo music.
I do not listen real loud. Do you think a pair of Rel T/5x Subs will do it for me???
With a setup like that I think you'd be happy with any of the T/X range, it just comes down to room aesthetics, how much bass you want, and what you want to spend. Our rooms are similar in size, I found the T5X to offer plenty but the 9x pair is also worth every penny with it's larger sense of scale, more fidelity, an even stronger bottom end, etc... Personally I'm still torn between which one to pick for my own system :D It's like Porsche Cayman or Porsche Cayman GTS, you're still getting a Porsche :).
@@NemoPropaganda COOL! I do live in an apt., and there's lots of concrete, so I am thinking that the T/5x subs will have me grinning and keep my neighbor from frowning. 👍🏻 Thanks for all your thorough reviews that have brought me to this conclusion.
@@bobb.9917 Awesome! That's always my goal, help people stop obsessing and just make a decision :)
@@NemoPropaganda well…there are a LOT of great products out there and it is a little overwhelming. First thing is to assess my situation, my system, my wants/priorities. Then…TAKE MY TIME…Don't rush in. My conclusion is that I REALLY want two KEF K62s…but $3K is more than twice the price of two T/5x subs. …These will be just fine. 🙂
Good reviewers like you really are vital in sorting thru the maze!!!!
Have you listened to any BK subwoofers? In the uk they are pretty cheap and offer a similar sound to REL, i think they were the same company years ago or used to share components?
I have not, they certainly do look like a "cousin" for lack of a better word.
Would these pair well or blend with a couple large Bookshelf shelf speakers with 6.5 inch midbass woofers that go down to 55hz? Or is a pair of T7x a better match regardless of room size?
Yes, thats exactly the kind of speaker I used for this review (Focal Aria 906). I have not heard 7x though. REL themselves or a dealer should know which is best for each room since they have all the models on hand usually :)
Great review Brother Nemo! If one cannot use the high level inputs, and that is taken out of the equation, does that close the gap between the REL and the Rhythmik in terms of SQ for music?
Hi AJ, REL and Rythmik don't have any gap in terms of SQ to begin with :) Sure I can say something like the T9X is more dynamic and it's texture is a little more detailed while the F12SE extends lower and is more full with it's texture but at this point we are splitting hairs of the split hairs. high level vs low level on my system was a small difference honestly. When I tried it on the cheaper iotaVX amp then high level seemed to show more of an improvement.
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks man, that is very useful feedback, as always. I have had an order in for the 2-10 Tekton sub,but I placed that back in April and they still haven't gotten the plate amps in yet. So Im thinking about just canceling and ordering a Rhythmik or REL. So the fact that you've heard so many different subs really is valuable info for me. Appreciate you!
@@ajzepp8976 that's funny because I just called tekton asking for a 2-10 sample :). They are indeed out of plate amps. Funny thing is RSL uses the same plate amps so I'm guessing they're just buying all of them.
@@NemoPropaganda It's a really interesting little sub...if you talk to the again, tell them I said to fill your sample order before mine so you can make a video and tell me if its any good! lol
@@ajzepp8976 my set up is the two-hole Enzo XL from Tekton. In my room a single 7ti seems to work just fine. I use cello music to calibrate the settings. Cello and piano duets -- get that right and the job is done.
And…..I got the AP real bad. Lusting after new upgrade.
Seems like I’ve spent a fortune on slow horses, fast women and audio gear. Probably would’ve just wasted it on clothes for the kids, otherwise.
I disagree with his comments on SPL subwoofers. I ent from ported to sealed box subwoofer and with the proper control settings, the sealed speaker blends in perfectly.
I think you're confused. Your personal taste for bass will determine what you enjoy, your personal reference points will determine what blends and what doesn't. I don't recall ever saying SPL subs don't blend, that's not a word I use, this is an old video though and you didn't leave a time stamp. The existance of SPL subs and SQ subs is not my opinion, additionally the characteristic of SQ subs and SPL subs are not my opinion, it's not something you can disagree with, these things exist and have their own characteristics. The home audio brands just don't talk about it and many people lack the reference points to understand it but it's not a thing you can disagree with.
I am looking for a pair of wireless subwoofers for a medium size room for both music and theatre. I am more on the spl size. What would you recommend?
Hey Dane, have you looked at the SVS SB3000? That should put a huge smile on your face :)
I’m guessing the high level inputs in the Sonus Faber subwoofers are similar to the REL. I read somewhere that REL and Sonus Faber had the same parent company (probably the McIntosh Group) and back in the day Sonus Faber speakers were often packaged with REL subwoofers (like they are often packaged with McIntosh electronics today. So REL was sold off and Sonus Faber started making their own subwoofers that are a lot like the RELs. More expensive but beautifully crafted, if you don’t like the REL look or just want to match the fine furnishings look of Sonus Faber speakers. I’d be happy to hear from someone that know more about this than I do. Not an expert. But I’m considering going with the Sonus Faber Olympicas and so trying to figure out if it’s worth it to me to pay more for subs to match the look.
this is a very common misunderstanding but the high level input is not what makes REL special or great. It's the entire package. I believe they had the same US distributor at one point but that's it. I do not know about REL making subwoofers for anyone else but the Gravis I & II subs do seem to be eerily similar in design to some generation of T5 and T9.
@@NemoPropaganda Yeah, I was just saying it’s probably the same technology, given what I read. I guess the parent company that owned both companies has access to the same designs, and why start from scratch if you own all the R&D. Again, just going by one article the video said he wasn’t sure if anyone made a high level input like REL does and I think it’s probably the same in the Sonus Faber. I agree there is a lot more to it but it would be interesting to see a side by side comparison or review. I guess if they are of equal sound quality then it might be worth it to some to spend more for the different look of the Sonus Faber. The Sonus Faber also have an app for setup and adjustment, which I didn’t see anything about on the REL site.
@@williamhicks2763 if I had to guess I'd imagine they sound pretty different since REL has been on their own for awhile now and series T has had a few revisions to the drivers to the point they are completely different now. I know the plate amps have also had a few revisions from T to TS to TX but who knows. For the price I hope the sonus subs are amazing.
Hey Nemo, i got my gain setting on 4-5 on my 7ti in my 13x16 ft room, higher than that it gets boomy, what am I doing wrong? Set up everything as per the instructions, in the corner diagonally behind the right speakers at the pressurization point.
Every room is different. You might have a room with strong bass (like me). Try putting it next to one of the speakers instead, set phase to 180, and blend frequency as needed.
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Cheers and have a excellent weekend Nemo,, 🍻😎👍!!
I've heard a single REL S510 is better than 2 REL T9x.
Worth a test?
I think it would depend more on the room, associated equipment, and what it needs to sound it's best. REL should be able to answer this question directly for any potential customers.
Hey mate - great review (from Australia). I’m deciding between one t9x or KC62. I have two setups that I’ll play around with them. 1. Pair of Ls50wiis. 2 Amphion 7LS w Hegel H190.
Mostly interested for musicality (listen to all genres but lots of Jazz) and need to have that extra “pronounced” bass in the mix. Any additional thoughts would be super helpful - I can get both for similar price. Cheers
T9x all the way, it's tonal character is richer and it has more nuance detail & bass fidelity. The KC62 is amazing in it's own way for those that need maximum extension in a small package at lower volumes.
@@NemoPropaganda awesome, thanks very much
@@NemoPropaganda thanks! I ended up getting a Rel 7X
While searching for info about REL(need a sub(s) with high level connection), I found your channel.
Very informative and I like your honesty and your style!
My room is 6x3.60x2.40 metres, do you think 2xRel T5x would be sufficient for music only.
I live in an apartment, so no really loud listening.
Would 1 or 2x Rel T9x have enough output for movies? I owned the Rythmik F12, could you compare 1xT9x to 1xRythmik F12 output wise?
I'm doubting to go full Rels or only Rel for music and Rel+ JL Audio D110 for movies.
I will make an appointment to go listen to some Rels, but not listening in your own room is always tricky.
I saw you mentioning in 2 videos that you find JL Audio an SPL brand.
That surprises me, have you heard JL's? I'm curious why you do not find JL Audio to be on the SQ side?
Personally I find JL to be SQ subs with much SPL:-).
I owned the JL Audio F112 and Rythmik E15 and F12. Currently I have the JL Audio D110+D108. Integration for music with both brands is great.
I also owned the SVS SB2000 and XTZ10.17 Edge and could not integrate them to my liking for music listening.
For music I have a slight preference for Rythmik over JL Audio, I prefer the 'snappier' sound the Rythmiks gives.
But I'm the only one, every one else(3 people :-)) I know who owned Rythmik and JL Audio prefered JL Audio over Rythmik for music.
Hey Cobra, I havn't heard JL for a long time now, I'll admit I could be wrong, maybe it was the room I heard them in many years ago. It's hard to say what will be "enough" 1 F12 will have more headroom and extension than 1 T9x by a fair amount as it's a larger sub. The two are incredibly close with respect to fidelity. For the T5x pair again it's hard to say if it will be enough. It certainly was enough for me and just for fun I added my F12 as a third sub set to handle 30hz and below and holey hell that was insanely awesome! Still though on their own I felt the 5x pair offered plenty of bass but how much bass is "enough" is so personal. I would email REL and ask them since they have more experience with setting up subs in different size rooms than I do :).
I'm trying to get my hands on a JL sub but they're pretty darn pricey and JL said they can't send me a review sample because their inventory is too low due to the chip shortage.
@@NemoPropaganda Thx Nemo for your quick reply.
For a small room like yours and stereo orientated, I think the JL Audio Dominion series would be fine.
The E- and F series are better but the Dominions are great little subs.
The Rythmik F12 was more than enough for me for movies, so maybe 1 REL T9x would be enough.
Interesting that you find both soundwise on par with each other, very different approaches.
I listened to music with only the JL Audio D110 and listened with only the D108.
I liked the integration(could also be placement) with the D108 better and heard enough bass.
I think 2x Rel T5x would be fine for music in my room. 2 Rels and 1 Rythmik must be impressive to listen too 😀
I'm gonna listen to some Rels and will based on that, make my decision.
For now 2xRel T5x+ 1x JL D110 or 2x Rel T9x are my preferred options.
@@cobraatje123 I think 2 t5x would be enough for 80% of people, but i just get scared to say for sure YES because some people are crazy bass heads lol Like if you want the boosted bass sound T5X is not for you, but if you want the balanced bass sound the a T5X pair will sound amazing! But if you listen to bass heavy music like edm past 85dB like 90+ you may want to move up to 7x or 9x. Either way the options you're considering are both awesome!
@@NemoPropaganda I contacted REL and they advised me for my room and speakers, Raidho mini monitors, the S series.
But the S series I find too big(WAF) and too expensive.
I had a listening session @ a REL dealer; listened to the REL T5x, T9x and my JL D110.
I listened in a room a bit bigger than my room.
I could take all the time I needed to listen and compare. Set up was with Elac bookshelfs with ribbons like my Raidho's have.
It took me a few minutes to get used to the duller less detailed and imo less sound from the Elacs compared to my Raidho's.
First I listened to the T9x for about 30 minutes, then switching to the T5x.
Within seconds it was clear to me that in a relatively 'bigger' room and using a high crossover, the T9x was the better sub.
The sound collapsed a bit and there was no more the wall of sound with the T5x.
JL D110 vs T9x. The REL dealer found REL to be better :-). I preferred the JL D110, a bit more 'punchier' bass that I like a bit more.
Both great subs and very good integration.
If I did not needed high Level+LFE connections I would have kept my JL's.
I decided to buy 2xT9x to be on the save side with movies ;-)
@@cobraatje123 As long as the room isn't too big the 9x is amazing, but it is a small sub, a pair can do amazing things but if the room is really big like 20x24ft or something like that it may reach it's limit with movies since movies can be incredibly demanding with bass. Also how loud you listen is a big factor. Personally I'm not trying to recreate theater levels of volume, I just want it to sound fantastic around 75-80db, that's all my baby ears can handle :D
A car guy and an SQ sub guy? Subbed.
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Please review the Rel S/510. I know its expensive, but as you said in another video, buy once buy right.
I will review it one day, I am very busy with so many other subwoofers right now though.
Does this kind of downfiring passive radiator sub benefit from an isolation platform?
I'm not sure, you can experiment with it but remember the passive is like a port, it really only gets going at certain lower frequencies.
Hey Nemo, I’d love to see a review of the Paradigm Seismic 110.
It is a unique design and I am curious about it but tiny cabinets with huge power and big excursion generally don't have the most resolving bass but tend to be big winners for compact home theater. I would very happily accept a review sample from them but would be unlikely to spend my own money to acquire one.
Hey mate, did you listen to a S/510? Would you go with that instead of a T9/X for better audiophile/home cinema balance?
no not yet :(
I wonder what your perspective is on this: People suggest turning down the sub until it integrates with the speakers and disappears into the presentation. But if the sub is properly integrated and used at reasonable volumes, does a bigger sub (15" vs 12") really provide any more impact or presence?
as with all things it depends on the room and many other factors. In a larger room a larger sub may sound more effortless and natural than a smaller one. it's important to view integration as a spectrum. What's most important is you have the sub type you want (SQ or SPL), next is that it's cable of it's intended function, and finally it should be properly sized to the needs of the room. I guess that's how I view it at least.
@@NemoPropaganda But can you restate your answer and only use car references? 👌 Appreciate you 100%
@@samray3461 so it depends on the weight of the vehicle and what you’re trying to accomplish. Shoving an LS1 into a miata is fun but some people would say thats not a daily driver but to some it is. Drivability is on a spectrum. How’s that?
@@NemoPropaganda Now you're speaking my language!
Hi there,
Need an expert advise. living room is 17x22 but my listening position is half of it and felt my subwoofer rel ht1205 is not performing that well specially on low volume music. But does pretty well on movies. My setup is marantz sr6014, def tech bp9060 , center as CS9040 and Rel Ht/1205. Rel does not wake up at lower volumes (example: at mid 30's or 40's) but performs well at higher volumes 60's and 70's. Looking for a sub which is punchier on lower volumes specially while listening to RUclips music. I am ok to go for a dual sub setup. So, replacing rel with an svs pb series sub solve my problem? Thinking of pb4000 or sb16 ultra. Your advise is greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
That's a really tough question to answer, I've not heard the Pb4000 and I've only heard the SB16 at reference volumes. My specialty is really 2ch music. On a room that size for dual duty I would do something like a pair of Rythmik FVX12.
@@NemoPropaganda thank you for your reply and suggestion !
Worth the upgrade compared with the T/9i ?
Exactly. The T9 I are all on sale now so thinking of grabbing a couple.
I'm not sure since I have not heard the 9i but I have heard both 5i and 5x. So for current owners I think the I range is fantastic. If you have some extra cash laying around you may enjoy the upgrade. But if you have to stress a bit to get the cash together perhaps it's best to keep the i series because it's already really good.
Matched with 5-6in driver bookshelf speakers, is the T7x ever better with speed than the 9x? Room size 12x22x8.5. Ik you said the 9x is better at everything, but do you think the larger driver on the 9x can sound not quite matched as well with smaller speakers? Thanks!
I think you can go either way. I would not worry about the 9x blending with smaller speakers. While the 7x should blend better with something that has a 4" driver both subs blend extremely well so I'd say just buy the one you want :)
Thoughts on a t9x vs f12 vs sb3000 for 80% music 20% movies/tv? Room is 13x18. Think I prefer a more subtle sound so prob not svs like you said in the video
As far as REL or SVS I made a video to answer that question you can find it here: ruclips.net/video/rEz03XkcslI/видео.html. As far as T9X vs F12 I discussed that in this video that you are commenting on when I get the comparisons portion. Both have excellent SQ, the larger Rythmik will play louder and extend lower, the smaller REL will look better in the room, have a higher WAF, and still play plenty loud & low, just not as loud & low as the larger 12".
Fantastic channel, thank you.
Hello friend !
I wanted to ask you what you said about high level connection comes from you trying each of your subs or just based on what Rel said.
I have less experience with different sub but the few i've tried sounded way better with high level : Focal, yamaha, Rel,...
The only times it competes with high level is when you have separates. Preamplifier and power amps. On an integrated with line out it always sound better to go high level. The timing was better for me.
It's based on my own experience and understanding of the circuit. All high level inputs do is convert the signal to low level and send it through the exact same circuitry as the RCA inputs. Most subwoofers high-level connection is a $6 part and is designed for legacy connections. If it sounds better like that for you even on non-REL subwoofers it may be possible that your preamps RCA or sub output is either not that good or adding some coloration. This is common with cheap AVR's where the sub output is not a direct signal and instead ads some effects of it's own that usually mess with the sound. In a situation like that high level will be a more pure signal. Since my channel is only for 2ch stereo 99% of what I talk about is with respect to 2ch stereo that doesn't use any sound processing. I hope this helps answers your questions but at the end of the day we all do what sounds best so it's okay if we disagree as long as we're both enjoying great sound :).
@@NemoPropaganda thanks for the answer. Make sense. I had the same impression. Sadly it's more than cheap avr. A lot of Sub 2k integrated have in general bad RCA output. That's why using a proper preamp is the winning combo. The fault isn't in the sub but upstream.
With more context i can see that we have the same experience.
Sorry I don't know what legacy connection is ? But i know the conversion mechanism in subs and you're right.
@@yannick930 For the way I'm using the word Legacy it just means old fashion. So legacy connection is like old style connections.
@@NemoPropaganda Ah ok, I understand.
Hi Nemo,
Just wanted to ask you, the REL HT1205 sub what i have... I get a mild electric shock when powered on... I mean its only on the metal on the back side... is it something normal? I have spoken to the dealer and he says it's normal.... What do u think?
Like when you flip the switch it shocks you? No that is not normal my bro, email REL, if you're in your warranty period I'm sure they will get you taken care of. I was just using my 1205 yesterday for an a/b comparison so I did lots of switching on and off, I didn't experience anything like that. The only thing I can imagine that would be normal is if you're in a climate where there is a lot of static and static shock may be normal for that region then perhaps.
@@NemoPropaganda - Yes when i flip the switches it shocks me... Let me talk to REL team about this.. Thanks bro 👍
Does it feel good? I like a little zap every now and then lol.
In all seriousness, have you plugged a tester into the outlet it's plugged into? You can get a cheap tester for around $10 at home store. Maybe a ground fault with the wiring?
@@erics.4113 - Yes i have a tester and it glows when i touch the metal switch. So its nothing to do with my house...i have carried around in 3 different houses and confirmed that its something not normal in my Subwoofer. 😭
Orale Nemo! 🤘🏼🤘🏼I have a Rel s812, and its definitely not over branded.
Hey what's up Greg! That's an awesome sub my man!!
@@NemoPropaganda ,I wanna upgrade to the blue cables that rel sells but its pretty expensive, like 3 or 4 bills. But rel claims it makes a drastic improvement. They say its a night and day difference, for the positive. You know anything bout that?
@@gregmartinez5836 yeah that cable is a little taxed for sure. So my perspective on cables is like this: I believe they make a difference, that doesn't always mean better, just different. Though my experience has been that some cables are better. But ultimately I buy cables because I like the way they look. Since I can't see the REL cable I don't feel the need to update it. I usually tell people to only upgrade their cables if they've run out of things to upgrade or if they're doing it for aesthetics. Hope that helps and if you want to chat more we have a free discord channel discord.gg/pNtZkqh8
If I replace 3 B&W subwoofers (two asw608 one asw 610,) with Two REL T9X , do you think it will be huge upgrade?
Yes absolutely, I owned an asw608 for 2 years, it's a great little sub but it has its limits, having a pair helps but even the 610 is very limited, they extend low but run into distortion quickly. The T9X pair will sound tonally richer, give you more bass fidelity, and play fuller, cleaner, and louder.
Thank you! I listened REL T9X at Best buy Magniloa. Also I listened KEF kube 12 in the same room. IMO, KEF is bit more cleaner, more natural, and also bit more louder at around 30hz than REL. But the Price of KEF is only half of REL( in KEF Store), I bought 2 KEF 12. It really improved the sound quality from B&W 608, It blend well with main speakers and more independent, more punch and made whole range of music more clear. Thanks Again.
Just bought one to compliment my Rotel 1580m2, B&W 703s2 and am trying to figure out the best wiring configuration.
Nice! I'm sure REL or your dealer would be happy to help but I always suggest you just experiment for yourself. The T9X is fairly simple to setup with very few options unless you're doing dual theater/music and using both LFE & highlevel.
@@NemoPropaganda Your video helped immensely. And everything you said about the T9X is spot on. When I heard it in the store I was blown away.
Then hearing it in my listening environment I'm convinced this is one of the very best Subs on the market.
The things I like best are the total adjustability/control and the imaging. By that I mean you literally can't tell where the low frequency response is actually coming from.
I bought this on the recommendation from my Audio Advisor and so glad I bought the REL T9X
@@jeffreyscott4564 Very nice, I'm happy to hear you're loving it. Feel free to hop in our free discord if you want to share any pics of the setup: discord.gg/nemopropaganda
What do you think of the REL tZero subwoofer for a room about the size of yours? I’m trying to decide if the TZero is enough for me. Thanks!
I’m gonna say no. The TZero can work for a micro system but is better suited to multi channel HT reinforcement. Like connected to a pair of satellite speakers in the rear to give a bigger sense of realism.
Question: thinking of doing REL T9X for high level & Rhytmic 15 or 18 for LFE.
What’s your thoughts?
Rythmik & REL play very well together.
Ok, I have a set up question. Maybe I should call/email REL. I'm looking at a pair of T7X's but I need to run them XLR and not HL, I need to crossover my Magnepan 3.7i's and the only way is with using something like my Emotiva XSP-1's bass management. Am I missing anything or is this correct. I'm between a pair or the REL's or SVS SB3000
I think you should watch this video first: ruclips.net/video/rEz03XkcslI/видео.html it should help you decide.