Blue water sailboat - Catalina 36 - Episode 159 - Lady K Sailing
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What is a blue water sailboat? Would you blue water a Catalina 36?
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Sam Holmes goes all over the World in his Cape Dory 28.
Patrick Childress (RIP 2020) sailed around the world on a Catalina 27 (modified for the task). Webb Chiles on a Moore 24 and an 18 foot open yawl. In my opinion it comes down to seamanship over boat design. Amel designs boats for a common man to cross an ocean, someone with proper knowledge and seamanship can cross an ocean on a common boat,
Tristan Jones also in a 16-footer.
We are new to the Catalina 36 world (mkII) but in the short time we've had her on the Chesapeake I've been mightily impressed with her predictable performance and her construction. While that stretch of water is equivalent to inland for the most part, we've been in some significant chop and wind and the boat brushed it aside without a problem - confidence inspiring. A bit like yourself I'd struggle to take her across an ocean, but we are going cruising through the caribbean with a young family next year and I have no concerns at all for that purpose. While the interior will never set the world alight, the practical use of space is excellent for live aboard - modern boat cockpit design has improved substantially for short handed sailing, but below deck I've found that modern equivalents from Hanse, Catalina, etc haven't substantially improved the usable space (IMO they are much more wasteful of that extra space caused by the beam being carried to the transom). Thank you for posting this - was wondering this out loud myself the other day!
Catalina's chain plates seem to be the BEST made, in comparison to some 400,000 sailboats and they are very easy to see and check!
I love your channel. I nearly bought a C36 last year to sail the islands. For my purposes of island hopping and my budget, the C36 seemed perfect. Would I sail it across the Atlantic? Sure.
Love your channel. Thanks for this episode. I do like the Catalina 36 and have wanted one for some time. I presently have a 1989 O’Day 322. I bought the boat in late 1998 to start a sailing school in Vancouver. One must have was a dedicated aft cabin and I could only find that on bigger boats that were out of my price range. Then I found the O’Day. She’s really been a great boat. Have you thought about doing an episode on the 322? It’s a great boat for the Caribbean. She carries 60 gal of water in two tanks, draws 4’2” and has a really well laid out large interior for a 32. In fact my wife and I are currently living aboard in Campbell River, BC while we wait for a house to be built.
I knew an owner that made a few trips on his Catalina 36 Mark II many times from Norfork to Bermuda, and at over 80 years old. Though, he wasn't alone, as he reminded me, not to do it alone, if I try it. Loved his Catalina, but crossing oceans it's not what she was designed for. But Bahamas, and Caribbean, of course. RIP my friend Les.
I’m currently prepping my Catalina 42 Mk2 to cruise the Caribbean & do a Trans Atlantic. Any well built vessel is capable with a decent skipper, and the right prep. Adding additional fuel, redundancy in filters, auto pilot, rudder/steering/sails/ground tackle. The internet makes it sound as if you aren’t sailing in a 35,000 lb. full keel, canoe stern boat, you’re gonna die! Great channel BTW!
I used to live on an older Catalina 36 and sailed it extensively. I have also sailed the Catalina 42 a lot. Whilst the 36 is a great boat, the 42 is a much more robust solidly built boat. There is no real comparison. A well equipped 42 is a world cruiser but the 36 does not quite make that grade, despite being a fabulous boat. The 42 is much more sea kindly and comfortable in heavy seas.
@@boatsandbits7091 42 UNQUESTIONED, love the layout:), the 36 has potential.........in either I would have dual escape pods 9life rafts, satilitte, GPS beacons, emergency equipment, and anything for the uneXPECTED, like a high compact pump out system etc.......crossing any large water requires great prep.............
No, for me personally an integral keel and skeg hung rudder are a must, I'm preparing my chined corten steel Van De Stadt 34' with the 1.8m fin keel and selden fractional performance rig for a solo Atlantic crossing from Cape Town SA to the Dutch Antilles in early 2022, just paid the best part of 6.5K$ for a Hydrovane auxiliary rudder self steering windvane, how about an episode on the VDS 34' with all it's different hull materials, keel, rudder and rig configurations including the Dehler optima 34' (VDS 34')
Theyre a great little blue water (even high latitude capable) boat if built from aluminium or steel, I have 360 litres of fresh water in 2 stainless tankes, along with another 125 L in gerry cans on deck, 180L diesel in one stainless tank and another 125 on deck, 420Ah house bank, 100Ah fridge/freezer/windlass battery and 80Ah crank on 2 Victron mppt's and 555 watts of solar, DVSR and high output alternator, karver reaching gennaker, 120% genoa brand new from Ullman, 3 slab reefs in my main and a storm staysail on a dyneema removable solent stay (hanks). We've got 17.7 knots SOG surfing off Aghulhas with 30 knots up the bum and big following seas in excess of 3m breaking.
She doesn't roll a lot like a round hull, tracks superbly, points higher than 35°(with the solent staysail) and She can surf, average around 7 knots SOG in light airs and will do 9 to 10 reaching in 20+. She'd actually make a great little Cape to Rio boat
Actually looking at a VDS34 as my future boat, for many reasons including strength and seaworthiness. Would love to see a vid of yours ;)
I think a better question is: "Would you cross the *Pacific* in this boat?"
I've been binging your channel for a few months. Just wanna say that solo Lady K is the most kino era! Feels less like "oh another couple trying to look cool on the internet", and more "it's like I have a buddy who does this and he's showing me what it's like!"
That's awesome thank you!
Title-blue water sailboat-Catalina? Hmmm. Bit of a contradiction. While it’s true, a not so great sailor, could probably take a true blue water vessel across a rough ocean, and survive. The reverse is also true great sailor can take a non-Bluewater sailboat across the ocean, proven by many sailors including Eric ans Sven. Sven builds and takes these tiny little sailboats across the ocean, and Eric Aanderaa takes a small sailboat through crazy North seas during storms. ( incredible channel for intense sailing)
I’ve been searching for a good boat for the last year, and would like to find a boat that was built much stronger than I’ll ever put it through. I like overbuilt, not “ just enough so it works” Recently watched a video on Kraken boats- and I think the owners name is Bill ( he’s in all the videos). Somewhere he has a list of the eight or nine criteria that would make up a true blue sailing boat
1. An integrated Keel-no Bolt-on keels. Hull and keel one piece
To me this makes sense
2. Full skeg hung hung Rudder. Protect your steering!!!!
And you’ll have to research his videos to get the rest of his list
Something that I’m curious about -are there any unsinkable boats out there ? like a Boston whaler ?These boats cannot be sunk but you can’t take that across the ocean it’s too small (maybe Sven could , lol)
why aren’t sailboats made this way ? Unsinkable?
so in the worst possible conditions , you’ve lost your sails, your mast broke off , you could at least secure your hatches go down below and ride out the roller coaster storm in your submarine unsinkable boat .
seems to make sense .
I imagine the cost would be too high for most. But shouldn’t safety be the number one priority? Your life is worth more than that.
In my search I was looking for something comfortable to live in, and travel. however I’ve re-defined my search criteria and now I’ve started looking at older boats. Many of them have been over built or built with the proper materials and seem stronger built ? ( if they are in good shape 30-50 years after construction-should say something about the quality )
Can Lady K do an episode of some good older boats? I have difficulty sorting out the nicer newer fluffy stuff (Jenneau’s or beneteaus) and overlook the 40 year old (Tayana?) hard to sort out which is a better deal for the money.
Great channel Lady K. Love your material. (Need some more sailing vids, when’s your next big trip?).
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
This is also my view.. I think most will cross the Atlantic on a good weather passage, but on a rough weather passage, I totally agree with Bill in the above mentioned Kraken video, Skeg protected rudder, integrated keel, centre cockpit for crew safety. His boats are outta my league but his guidelines sure help. Oh, so to answer the question, no I would not.
Ok so what's the general opinion on power vs sail? Larger power to be "blue water" capable vs sail? Although I follow your channel, and really enjoy your vids, my dream is to motor through the Bahamas on a 35-45' powerboat, for weeks/months every winter in retirement.
You ever see the movie, "Dunkirk?" I fell in love with the starring boat... I have a Catalina 36, but if I were to get a motorboat, I'd look for something like that.... a motorboat, which you can sail if your engine cannot start. In the movie the boat is " is a "motorsailer" which, as you'd expect, is a motorboat with a mast which can be sailed. They're kind of rare, but very cool. Although in the movie, her sail was never raised.
I’m going to be buying a boat very soon to travel the world I was wondering your thoughts on Hans Christian.
Hans Christians are solid sailors with beautiful aesthetics. Even the smaller ones can be taken around. One fellow did three consecutive circumnavigations.
I can tell you one thing more Beneteaus have crossed more oceans than any other boat in the world . Sailing Bacchus home sailed from UK to New Zealand across Atlantic and Pacific 361 no Issues ,so did See the little things 361, and a 351 has sailed the Atlantic many times wining the Ostar race from UK to USA in norhtern atlantic Plymouth to Newport single handed
Got the 34 mkii. No complaints just smiles.
West Coast. Did well around pt conception downwind in the afternoon. Said screw it let's see what happens and not go to Morrow Bay
Same same
Love your channel! I would really love to hear your thoughts on the Catalina 350. Thank you!
Thanks for these great episodes. Your a wealth of great knowledge. I currently own a 2006 Catalina 36. It’s a great boat as you said. I have also owned two Hunters that were very comfortable and would buy one again if the right one came along. With that being said hands-down my Catalina 36 outperforms them under sail. Also the quality of the Catalina I feel is better.
I almost bought one but I couldn’t find a live aboard slip in San Diego.
How about florida or usvi. I own now as of a few weeks ago. Selling a hunter Cherubini 37, for a Catalina 36 mk 2. My plans are too set sail in January ans not come back for @ 5 months . What’s ur questions ans thoughts.
Not sure I would feel comfortable beating to windward for an extended amount of time (Days or Weeks) in the C36, but traveling in the right direction crossing oceans I would have no worries with this boat. I heard of a few that have crossed the Pacific and are now in Australia. Depends on your comfort level for this boat.
If its less than 18k, I'm staying close to shore. Crossing oceans is about mitigating risks, not taking them needlessly.
Well you do have same very competent sailors crap I can't remember his name he just passed away he was that crazy sob the sailed a 27' Catalina across Atlantic! Just give him a cardboard box and a thong for a sail and he'll get there lol
We have a Hunter 37.5 (in small part to you Hunter video) which slightly exceeds some of the notes you make about the C36. Love the boat and plan to take her South next year but Blue Water she is not. Big storms, tall seas and the like are not the issue. Surviving a full speed collision with a semi submerged shipping container is. These types of boats can survive storms (not comfortably) but can not take a hit.
I wouldn’t cross oceans with a Catalina 36 I would feel more comfortable sailing a island packet on long passages
Would you blue water an Albin Vega ??
we know it can but would you . I have one and I’m thinking how much are you really going to be crossing oceans
My definition has somewhat changed since I started sailing a little over a year ago. Back then I believed the hardcore hype that a TRUE bluewater boat had to have a full keel first and foremost. After getting a little wiser and now owning a Baba 30 I would certainly consider a boat with a skeg hung rudder but that’s as much as I’ll slide on an Atlantic crossing boat. My boat is one of the few true bluewater boats in the 30’ range weighing in at 12,500lb (5k is ballast) with a full keel, solid fiberglass hull, 80 gallons of fresh water, she’s cutter rigged, and has a decent 4.75ft draft. She is a typical full keel boat though, with zero steerage in reverse or anytime you aren’t moving a couple knots… lol.
Can you do a video on the Cal 40?
Hi Noob here!
It would be very helpful if you put full form of abbreviations on screen
I just bought a Catalina 36 MkII out of Etobicoke. Thanks for your channel. 😀
Look into these…
1976 Hunter 30
1963 Seawind 30 mk I
What about a pearson 36, like sailing uma did?
Yes. Yes I would.
As many have said in the comments loads have crossed oceans in Beneteau and other production boats but for real assurance I would want an integral keel and skeg hung rudder. Older boats such as a Tayana are geared for this but in new boats they are impossible to find
I would depend on the CE rating. If CE is A then it is blue water.
Owned, including a transpac (CA - HI), my 87 Catalina 34. I love it.
I really like these episodes, you should consider doing a series on some of your favorite locations to sail.
Maybe it's a certain island in the Bahamas or maybe some famous routes In the Pacific.
Actually, most Catalina 36 MKII's are closer to 20,000 lbs. Also, the wing keel version on the 36 only has a draft of 4'3".
Like to see something on an Irwin dirty citation 1977
If you could go back in time, and buy a different boat other than Lady K which one would you choose?
That's a great question Russell. I have been wondering the same thing. Looking forward to an answer, or maybe even a video from him addressing this exact question.
I sail a SS catalina 38 with the tumblehome sides . It has 8 shrouds 4 on each side very thick . It is an IOR boat from 1982,16500 lbs. I would go any where with this boat but would bring along storm sails and add a stay sail to it.
I had a Yankee 38 (your hull mold) & the boat was 2000lbs heavier. My answer here is about construction. Yankee Over built hull and mast so thick it won't bend. Light air horrible, but cuts waves. Had 3 feet of sea come right over the deck and boat didn't notice. Good yours kept the shrouds bolted thru steel in the cabin bulkhead and I see some at the deck with the mast stepped there as well. Very different blue water.
I ownwd a C30 and crewed on a C36 on Lake Ontario which had the same Westerbeke 3 cyl. I personally found the engine in the 36 to be under-powered when in foul weather
exactly ... same thoughts here. She was also fitted with a 3 blade cruising prop and still not adequate in rough seas. Otherwise no other issues.
could ya do an Irwin 38cc , general info before i buy one
I have seen many mentions of Endeavors but never a real dedicated show on them, would love to see one.
He's got an episode on Endeavor.
I always hate the guys on forums who answer the "blue water" question, with "depends on the condition of the boat and the skill of the sailor". Yes, we know that already dude. We know that a skilled sailor can sail a San Juan 21 across the Pacific. What people are asking, is a boat, properly equipped, capable of an ocean crossing without a major disaster under normal conditions?
Just picked up a c34mk2 😁. Better fit for my marinas and I prefer the aft head for Vancouver Island rainy days. Cheers!
I own a 1984 cat 36 here in NZ-i have not blue water sailed-only Coastal NZ-but it got here from LA-Hawaii-Tahiti-Raro-Noumea-NZ-then has done many Pacific Island trips over the years-Fiji-Tonga-Vanuatu-it flew thru survey last year and is CAT 1 certified -except life raft is currently out of date-I love it-but am way short on skills to head up Pacific at this stage-in fact probably never will-but coastal NZ sailing its brilliant -just saying !!
i've seen catalina 28's that have crossed to bimini no problem. hell, even a macgregor 26x has made the crossing. just need to pick a good weather window.
We just crossed the Gulf Stream, West Palm Beach, Florida to West End, Bahamas in our 2020 Corsair 880 Sport Trimaran, with no issues and the Corsair is only 29 feet long, so anything is possible......
I love this channel, very informative. One suggestion - use a little less jargon (like 'IOR') to make it more accessible to beginners, OR consider explaining the terms with captions on the screen or in the description box.
Great episode. I'd appreciate your thoughts on a Catalina 445...
If you do another video that mentions cruising The Bahamas, please mention that The Bahamas on Nov 9, 2021 for vaccinated cruisers, ended the requirement for getting a negative covid-19 test every 5 days while island hopping. That previous requirement for inter-island travel would have been burdensome and expensive.
Love the channel! Could you do an episode on Bruce Roberts 345. There is almost nothing on YT about the boat or it’s history. Tbh it was a struggle to find out much about BR.
We have a 1978 37.5 Endeavour, have just pulled her out and made every update that we were recommended to do by yard and Survey. New bottom job, got rid of one thru hull, and added one for a secondary electric (independent battery, and thru hull ) bilge pump. New Raymarine radar complete with wind direction, auto pilot and all the bells. We have the original Perkins and we have kept her in tip top shape. New sails and lines. New paint everywhere ( awl grip 2000). repacked the shaft and bought new VHF and two hand held radios. What am I missing ? We will be leaving in a few weeks for a month run towards the keys to try her out. We do not have davits so we are working on stowing out 12foot dingy with 20 hp motor on deck???? Then we plan on living aboard for a few years or until we cant manage, we are fat old (62 years years) fairly fi,t avid, weekly/ short term (weeks aboard at a time) sailors. Reply and we will become loyal Patrons :) Thanks Kathryn Miller SV The Bayview Cafe Panama City FL
How about Nordic 37?
I'm looking for a boat that can get me to the Azores, Northern Europe/Scandinavia and back through the Caribbean.
I completed my Sail Canada Intermediate Cruising course on a Catalina 36 out of Granville Island. It was a 5 day liveaboard course cruising in the Strait of Georgia with a total of 5 people on board.
This has become my minimum standard (if budget allows) when boat hunting to have the aft cabin.
How about a Corbin 39 or Valent 40 or now 42, I live on a Corbin that I built, for 25 years, traveled the world retired Submarines sailor
What about a Newport 28
I have a Moody 422 , it has a bolt-on keel with a skeg hung rudder how would you rate it as a bluewater capable boat ?
I don't intend to use it for high latitude sailing but expect it to circumnavigate.
People have crossed oceans in a bath tub.That being said no I wouldn't cross an ocean in that boat.But pick a good weather window you can cross the Gulf Stream and on to many islands.
I would.
But only after I became very familiar with the boat.
I would have a robust steering vane system, with a lot of spare parts, and a bullet proof roller furler for the jib. I would think nothing of going up one size bigger than the size recommend.
If I didn't reinforce the hull and rigging, I would sail very conservatively, like some of the voyagers I am following on RUclips. I would avoid putting extra stress on the hull any way I could. And I would pick my crossing time very carefully.
By reading about ocean voyagers for decades, I have learned that the most important part of the boat is the tiller nut. And no. I don't mean a piece of metal.
If I decided to keep the boat, I would probably reinforce it. Just about everyone I watch has moved the chain plates to the side of the hull, if they weren't there already. This is a move I would certainly copy.
Great work breaking down the good decision points.
Myself, I'm researching swing keel boats for sailing close to the wind when keel is down deep and many advantages of raised keel for shallow anchorage and river/canal traffic. We are in Europe so the French and German canals to/from the Med are important short cuts like the ICEW on the USA East coast. Then, someday if possible, how about your comments on aluminum built boats like AluBat ONVI 42ft? They are hard to find and in demand. Thanks.
Australian build clansman 30 🤟 love the videos!!!! Keep up the amazing work
I just purchased a 1/4 share in a 1985 Newport 27. I would love to see you make a video on that boat. I'm on the west coast and it is docked in Marina Del Rey.
Catalinas were designed primarily for the waters off Southern Ca. They excel at coastal cruising the Channel Islands. However, they will also be found cruising all over the world. Not a lot of tankage for long trips but the hull, keel and rigging strength is quite adequate to hold together in heavy weather. You never hear of these boats losing their keels. They sail well and point high. They can definitely do blue water safely if set up properly. The "Catalina Hall Of Fame" has many 36s that have done some serious offshore sailing. Having sailed our C30 for over 10 yrs and our C36 for 6 yrs in S Ca, I can say that although they look similar, the 36 is a much stronger and more capable boat. For these waters there is not a better boat for the money, however, if I were to plan extended offshore sailing, particularly Tradewind passages, I would look for something with more tankage, stowage and better tracking ability downwind. You don't need a tank to sail offshore.
How about an episode about the old Newport 30 MKII? Love to hear what you have to say about the old Gary Mull design and the following version by the house design team
How about covering Rivals? The Rival 34 won the OSTAR in 1976.
Thank you for your videos. The Cat 36 is on my short list. My wife and I will be moving aboard and sailing the Bahamas down to the BVI’s and up the east coast. I have also been strongly considering the Cat 42/425. How would you compare these two vessels for my listed sailing grounds? Thanks again!
Kinda curious to hear what you think of the Pearson vanguard. I have a 1965 model and think she handles beautifully on blue water. I know they are famous for circumnavigation but I sometimes question the rig when facing 30 foot or higher swells
Do you think an Island Packet 31 would make a better blue water sailboat than a Catalina 36?
What do you think of a c&c redwing30? Capable? Not sure it’s ready for blue water
Would be nice if you could zoom in on IOR boats and the design.
I own Marionette wich is an 46ft IOR boat. And i love the history. In every harbour i visite there will be someone who knows her. And as a result you get the most amazing story’s.
I know you had already done an episode on hunters sailboat. Yes spoke lie about the 40, What do you feel that’s the passages are the same as the rest of the hunters or do you think their bills quality difference?
I would cruise it across an ocean but it is too small for anymore than one person, over 40 ft for ocean sailing for me. fine build quality and amenities. good boat
Odd one for you bayliner buccaneer 270 need pics or anything let me know
Sea kindly. This is a subject that many boat reviewers often fail to discuss. It is perhaps the most required characteristic of any ocean crossing sailboat. A sea kindly boat will suffer less damage and abuse its crew less than than flat bottomed pounders. Many much older boats from the CCA era were of such design. If the boat was sound and had an easy motion at sea I would have no problem sailing a Cat 36 across an ocean. But I have never sailed on one. I did sail a lot on a Cat 38 but that boat was an S&S design if I recall correctly and from a different era. It was a comfortable boat in a wide variety of conditions.
Catalac 10M :-) Solid, skinny cat built in the UK for the North Sea
cat 36' most definitely would go blue water with it. just need to mind the weather window time frame.
Older Leopard Catamarans used to be delivered across the ocean under sail. Newer ones are delivered across the ocean on a cargo vessel. The newer one’s hulls flex considerably more and it’s arguable they are not designed to go across open ocean. This could be an interesting all be it controversial topic for an episode. It rings true to your explanation of reinforcement in hulls and your definition of blue water sailing vessels. Thoughts?
Another great job. Do you know what insurance company offers sea rescue coverage_ Thanks
I recently purchased a Pearson 386 and absolutely love it. Next couple of years I plan to sail it all around Lake Ontario with the goal of going to the Caribbean and some day get to the Mediterranean. I do believe she could handle it.
Can you do a show on a Nicholson 35, are you acquainted with them? Thanks
What do you think about the Catalina 380? Feels like a 42 and is quite a bit heavier than the 36. Falls very close on that line as well I think.
Tim: you mentioned you wouldnt cross an ocean on your boat not a catalina 36 but would you cross on an alberg 30 your dream boat as you mentioned?
Ok, lets get radical here how about an Endeavour 37
coastal cruising and island hopping would we great, give me the Catalina 38 S&S for offshore and making an ocean crossing. all of their holding tanks are really small for the task
Didn’t Fatty Goodlander sail around the world in a Huges 38 ?
Very interesting. I’d like to see an episode on the island packet IP31 from the mid ‘80s
I would like to see something on a Irwin 30 Citation 1977
Just came from your most recent video to this one, its a darn nice boat that ive added to my wants list for retirement.......so many to choose from
Another great video. I would like to see a video on the Grampian design in particular G2-34.
Interesting, what about a Hunter 45 Passage, or a Hans Christian 43.
hmmm, i guess I would consider it given the right time of year and a good weather window. it wouldn't be my first choice by any stretch
Would love to hear your review of the Pearson 323 one day. Thanks
Love these make and model overviews.
Video on bilge keel Vivacity 20s and their cousins
I'm considering a Mk I. Thanks for the info
im about to buy one, and ill definately cross the ocean with her
Hey lady K how about a Beneteau First 42s7!
Thanks for the information. Good to know when trying to keep things safe.
Why would you not do the Atlantic on your boat ?? I am just starting to fix up a recently purchased 1968 Hughes 38' with the intention of doing Horn, Hope, & Lewllan none stop, ala Vendee from Vancouver Island
Hey. The 38 is awesome! My friend Jay has one and I think I would do it on the 38. But the 35 and 38 are very, very different boats. The 38 is a significant t step up in the way of speed and capability. I'd love a 38!
I would like your views on the Hunter 26.
Having skippered a Catalina 36 on many occasions off the coast of Southern California with trips to the Catalina islands, I have to say that I would not blue water this boat. I never got the feeling it (especially the standing rigging) would hold up to the kind of beating it would take during a crossing. I have to say the boat was comfortable and enjoyable (if a little slow) but also a really good value for the money. My father had bought a Catalina 30 back in '83 and single-handed her on Lake Erie. If you lumped these in with Hunter and Newport at the time, Catalina was the clear winner.