Can You Cross The Ocean on a CHEAP Sailboat? Ep 239 - Lady K Sailing
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This week we look at sailboats you can use to cross the ocean, specifically the Caribbean to the Azores and on to Europe. We look at Cheoy Lee, Istalnd Packet, Amel Super Maramu, and others. We also look at a tidy Morgan sailboat that you can buy and use to do the job. Boats over $200,000 and sailboats under $100,000 for liveaboard cruising all over the world.
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Sam Holmes crosses oceans all time in his tiny boat .
Well he's not saying that it can't be done, he's just pointing out what a novice sailor will want to ensure safe crossings. Sam Holmes is no novice sailor. And given the option, I'd bet Sam Holmes would trade that cape dory for an island packet any day.
@@brettdwigans2758 true it can be down and it takes time to become experienced. Still most be fun to go where you want and when you want
And, he makes it almost look like fun! Gotta love the man! He's a great guy!
His Cape Dory isn’t considered a cheap quality boat. He has also done extensive work in preparing his boat properly. I would take Sam’s Cape Dory over an Island Packet of the same size any day.
Yes and always the sheet eating grin.
I’ve been eyeballing Shannon, just keep getting drawn back, so beautiful
I will stick with my alberg 30 definitely a bit short on space but smaller boat means less work and less cost to maintain
Good choice. Well proven and can be sailed on the cheap.
TAIWANESE BOAT BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!! The hull is not the issue for the hull of these boats. Nor necessarily is soft deck under the deck hardware. The weak point of the Taiwanese sailboats is the teak decks, most of which were screwed into the core of the deck material. Due to differential expansion rates of the screws ( heated by the sun) and the teak deck, the screws back out a bit and allow water to infiltrate the core. Result is rotten decks. So teak decks on old boats tend to be a red flag for something to avoid. If lucky, someone will have stripped the teak off, removed the thousands of screws, replaced the rotten cores, and then glassed over the deck. Have a survey done for moisture levels.
Ebay boatangel recently sold a Passport 40 with leaky teak decks for $15.5K, but who want to maintain teak decks? Just cut and replace with fiberglass decking.
By now, most of the Taiwanese boats have either dropped the price due to the teak decks or have already had them replaced.
The Cheoy Lee at the end had its Teak completely replaced in about 2000. Just saw this boat yesterday. However- there is water damage to the front bulkhead- but might just be surface area / veneer.
I crossed the Pacific, as crew, not as captain. 42' catamaran. While we were sailing from Vietnam to Canada, two sailboats sank off Mexico. The first was going between Mazatlan and San Diego, three on board. Left no trace. The other was an experienced sailor on a trimaran. The trimaran was found upside down. Most of the time we were farther off a coast than either boat. Us doing 7000 nm? No problem.
Biggest factors, and why I waited until the last couple of years to become a sailor: GPS, AIS, Predict Wind and navionics; and Starlink. We got hit by a couple of storms, but we were able to avoid most of them, or we only caught the margins. I wouldn't feel safe being subjected to storms and typhoons that I didn't know about a week in advance. I will never have to.
And I'm told that my 2003 Hunter 456 isn't an ocean crossing boat (even though it went from California to New Zealand). Blade rudder (no skeg), feather keel. It's got a lot of redundancies, including a Hydrovane. I'll probably replace all the shrouds before I go too far afield. Definitely replace all the electronics. The full keel, skeg protected rudder? These were considered minimums in the past. The one guy I know who's lost a rudder had these. Critical to his problem was his wind vane, back up rudder, had already failed. (He's now got a Hydrovane).
As for longevity. My boat is 20 years old, solid fiberglass, GRP (glass reinforced plastic). In my backyard I have two wooden core strip kayaks, both rotting. Next to them is a factory made solid GRP kayak that's been just as poorly stored. It's as good as it was brand new. So the other factor for buying a boat is I could get one with no teak on the deck, solid inert fiberglass core.
A lot of affordable Pacific Seacraft boats available....built for blue water. The Pacific Seacraft 37 would be ideal here....
Long time viewer from the North Sea coast here: M Jambo, YT channel in deutsch and English, sailed two times Martinique to Germany in his Bavaria 34 cruiser…no problem….singled handed…
Cheers from greater Hamburg area
You must have missed the fact that Jambo lost his mast some 8 months or so ago. He did survive. Boat has been repaired and he is back sailing.
@@brownnoise357 The point was that Jambo was mentioned without telling the full story.
Jambo lost his boat in the south Atlantic and had to be rescued. It just did a Q&A a few days ago. Terrifying! He discussed how he will not be buying another Bavaria-like boat again, but will go for something with more protection for the rudder.
Ohh, a Hanburger. Biste von Pinneberg?
I can’t believe you mentioned 70’s-80’s Taiwanese boats without bringing Bob Perry into the equation. I own a 1980 Baba 30 that’s a full encapsulated keel, solid fiberglass hull(no core), keel stepped mast, cutter rigged, and tips the scales at 12,500lbs. Bought her in the water needing a beta repower finished as well as new prop, bottom paint, and some maintenance with no electronics for $12k and have less than $20k into her currently including new sail pack. Another $20k for new sails, radar and chart plotter and she’ll be ready to cross the Atlantic!
I have no complaints about my Gulf Star 37. Encapsulated keel, keel stepped mast, overbuilt and heavy for her size. She's taken everything I've put her through including a CAT 1 hurricane and come out without even a scratch.
I really enjoy these types of videos. I'm planning on semi-retiring in a few years, and my plan is to "see the world" on a sailboat. Most likely single handed (which has it's own set of problems on a crossing, I know), but I'd love to see more videos on blue water boats that can be single handed, comfortable enough to live on, and in the $150k range
Hans Christensen Morgan Albert.. he has a $100000 vid
@@HikerBikerMoter For the Bahamas. Not for ocean crossings
@@brownnoise357 Paragraphs man, paragraphs.
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@@brownnoise357 You're right about starting off in dinghies. I bought a Snipe at the age of 14 with money saved from a summer job working in corn fields. Raced in that class until I was in my early 20's. With that experience, everything else comes a lot easier when moving to larger vessels. And, you're right, Croatian Igor is probably the best sailor on RUclips. I look forward to every video he puts out.
Couldn't agree with you more . One who built 50 footers in the early 70'S. The best is yet to come with some of these ,as you said battle axes of a sailboat . Great clip .
Angus
SV Violet Walters
I love that POLSKA sign on that beach at the beginning! My Polish people always out there!!
Tristan Jones went everywhere in his 16’ Sea Dart.
Thank you Tim! Great episode.
We just bought a 1980 Whitby 42' cutter rigged ketch. It ticks all the boxes and the plan is to sail around the southern Caribbean this winter, and see what the boat is ready for and what we are ready for.
Big A+. This insight is priceless. Do not want to drive price up but thinking about starting a small company doing just this with this kind of boat. Refit and rebrand. Great Video. Thank You.
Got a nicholson 32 full keel 7.3 metric tons, goes through a lot without problems.
Absolutely you can cross oceans or even circumnavigate the world on a small and inexpensive boat. Look at how many S&S 34s have done exactly this, the Sailing Brothers (Luke and Adam) are circumnavigating on their Rival 34., you have people such as Sam Holmes on his 28ft Cape Dory etc. Hell even my 48 yr old Swanson 30 has crossed an ocean (Tasmania to Opua, NZ and return), a journey of 2500 Nm each way, let alone having competed/completed in 6 Sydney to Hobarts plus a lot of other ocean racing. It’s not the size or even the cost that dictates whether it can be done but rather is the boat in sound condition, well setup to make such passages and whether or not the crew are experienced to make such a passage. The point is you don’t need a big expensive yacht to cross an ocean.
I would take the Morgan (sailed on one of those 44s last night, and have done some cruising on her) or the Cabo over any of the Island Packers. Both would be MUCH faster and more comfortable in a rough sea than the Island Packets. Those Morgan 44s are really great sailing boats. We had light winds of around 8 knots and we were able to keep about 5 knots. They are also available as a CSY 44 as well.
Enjoyed this!
Great video as usual ⛵️
Thank you very much for this video! It really hit home for my thoughts. If I am one day able to retire (I stress if), I'd absolutely love to do Caribbean style cruising. But I would like to, once at least, cross the Atlantic and back again. At least once. Thank you again for these options and food for thought!
I have to wholeheartedly agree with you on Morgan. I have been looking at the 382.😊
Thanks
I was the first!!! love your videos!!
11:56 Avoid Teak Decks...Too Many Screw Holes...👀
Thanks for doing this video. I've been watching a lot of your channel recently and this was my biggest gripe as someone wanting to cruise the world.
I've been looking around at boats and full keel looks like the way to go. I've seen a lot of Tayana 37s for sale and they seem like a decent boat. The other one I've had my eye on is a Hans Christian 38 since I've lived on one before (but never sailed one)
great episode and interesting topic. I need to finish my island cruising phase before dreaming of the Atlantic. Yes the thought of a few months in the Med. is attractive.
Cheers.
Ive got a Fantasia and it's a learning experience.
Excellent video! Excellent that you mentioned at 11:20 the potential for problems with cored decks. Buyers, before looking at a boat's deck, get yourself a top-notch moisture meter. Then get a professional to survey the deck and coach roof. Captain Ron
I already have the pex cutter, I'm set to go! This is areal eye opener, I never knew!
Island Packet 349; cutter rig; single handed; with every robust option I can afford.
You have some of best ideas about sailboats I have ever seen. You must be what my family calls "half bright." That is a tongue in cheek expression for able to think well under many circumstances. I don't use the word genius because it is not defined. Thank you again for your insights.
As far as the Taiwanese boats, simple solution a first call inspection by a qualified inspector will pick up and major deficiencies that require big bucks to repair.
I agree. Mine…Tayana FD-12. Head out in November.
Thank you. Excellent point on Taiwanese boats
Glad it was helpful!
The old Lady K song has been stuck in my head for a few days...
Sirius 40DS
I am not recommending this boat but there is a book called 500 days at sea , the bloke who wrote it got a heap of alie plate and built a 12 ft custom sail boat, he reasoned that to go around the world he couldn’t afford to maintain a boat that was much bigger, it is a great read although definitely the bottom limit of what boat do you need to sail around the world . He started in Brisbane Australia and sailed single handed from place to place picking up work and writing the odd article for magazines. Cheers
La Vaga was a beneteau Cyclades 43 and that made it across both seas. Uma is a beater Pearson 36. I have a friend that did it in a sense 46 which sounds terrifying
I like the IP. The IP is a tank of a boat. I've been on a few of them. I like the Hans Christian too...but they are so hard to get on and off of. I love the look of the Choey Lee, but that's a lot of wood to varnish.
In the out door storage yard Of Tartan Boats in Painesville, Ohio... Is a Douglas and McCleod 26 or 28 footer from the early 1960's (later became Tartan). These were some of the earliest fiberglass production boats ever made. This boat has sat uncovered in the open for decades, Some exposed glass areas have suffered greatly from UV, to the point of crumbling. The interior was all plywood and other wood so that doesn't really count. Gell coat has spiders and massive powdering. But the hull is undamaged and very solid. 1964 to now is 60 years.... so yeah they can last a hundred if the UV doesn't get to them.
Diesel duck for crossing the ocean and the new channel is Amazing
Hi I have been watching your channel for a long time and you almost never talk about Swedish yachts such as Hallberg Rassy , Najad , Malo with which you can confidently sail on the oceans , and the prices for example Hallberg Rassy 38 is around 100 thousand dollars . I myself am at the stage of looking for a yacht to live on and very interesting to me is Hallberg Rassy 42F , what do you think ?
I like Malos. Gorgeous wood work, if somewhat restrained in their styling. The issue is that there are so few available in the U.S and they(Swedish boats) are often $80-100,000 more than some other options for the same age and length.
There is an excellent book I used to own on how to convert a production boat into an ocean crosser. If you take the necessary fairly cheap steps and pick a good starter, you can make it much more seaworthy. There are now 38 foot Tayanas and other full keel boats that are eminently seaworthy that can be purchased for less than $50k now.
Great video as always. I'm still leaning towards a Morgan. ❤
I need a Blue-water cruiser for the Hawaiian Islands and to cross the Pacific. I been looking for Island Packets for a while. I need something that is little maintenance (aka no Teak decks) and a "turn key" ready to go. I also understand is not going to be cheap. Thank you. Great content!!
I personally liked that Morgan. That would be a perfect boat for me.
Hardin Sea Wolf 50, ketch rigged, pilothouse, full keel, water maker, plenty of solar good fishing gear and a few hundred cans of food.
Love your channel. Because I’m a dreamer… how about a Kraken 50.
Always been pulled to a 51 Formosa
Having sailed from Vancouver to LA on a loaded IslandPacket 465 I'd want that boat for crossing any ocean but it's heavy and slow for easy sailing and marina handling
Dear Sir. I have cross the atlantic on a 43 foot montivideo from cape town. There were four muiras 31foot boats 4 crew each who also crossed more or less same time. No problems at all.
Choice one: money, no object? a Kraken. Hands down the best new build production yachts for proper sailors. Budget? Probably the nicest Choi Lee I could find that didn’t break the bank.
Old Island Packet 38s can now be. Bought for 100k or less.
Always on the cheap... Give us an ideal to strive towards...
4:35, Yes, I'm Looking at a 45' Starratt Janks. Basically a Morgan. Center Cockpit, and Weighs in at 13 Tons...
Recently crossed lake superior on a $3500 Chrysler 26
1965 Columbia 29 $3000 with low hours Yanmar, new sails. Just go!
I like small boats. I believe a Marieholm IF boat could do the job. Also, a Hurley 22 as well. I could be wrong or crazy or both.
Early in the video you show a map with a sailboat route which goes a few thousand miles into the tradewinds.
I kinda doubt that isn't gonna be the route.
Wouldn't it start by heading North towards Bermuda then hang a right and ride the gulf stream across.
We have planes to cross the Atlantic after a few years in the Caribbean.
Hallberg Rassy, Najad and Malo. All highend ocean cruisers from Sweden.
I am going on my re-fit Islander Freeport 36 - She is a little light for your 20,000 lb minimum but I think she ticks all the boxes
Hi, love your channel. What do you think about 80s and early 90s Grand Soleil? mainly the 42 Ferr. Would love to hear your thoughts regarding this brand and model for a couple that looks to start in the med and, after a year or 2, cross the Atlantic ocean with it.
There are some great U.S. built vessels that are similar to the "battleships" but are not plagued with some of their problems (bad tanks, leaky ports and decks, funny electrics..). Downeaster Yachts, CSY, Westsail, Gulfstar, Valiants, and Pearson 424 come to mind. Great examples can be had for $40k-$50k, Valiants will be much higher if they are newer. Faster sailing battleships would include the Cal 40.
Is there a video on the stuff that should go into a boat...ya know like pans and tools cuz it's just to easy to put to much in.
Looking at a hunter 466.
How about an Albin Vega 27 for under 10000, she will take you safely anywhere on the planet single handed!
Iv got a Vega and I’m seriously thinking Of buying a Super maramu but sometimes just think let’s do it in the Vega but that’s a lone journey limited by water you can carry I think
@@sailingyoumeandjosapea6770 I agree, ideal for one or a small couple, lol.
I just checked out this Cheoy Lee yesterday. It’s a beautiful boat and been in freshwater most of its life. The teak deck was fully replaced about 15-20 years ago and looks great. Only problem I saw was the bulkhead veneer has water damage (idk if it’s just surface) or if the bulkhead would need to be replaced.
Are you sure about that teak deck? I mean, if a bulkhead has water damage, water is coming in from somewhere......
I'll go for a Lagoon 440... Sometimes, you get them starting from 170k and with another 30k, you're ready to go
I had a neighbor who circumnavigated on a Valiant 40. What about a West Sail 32, or some of the old Allied's.
Another great episode. Also, really enjoying Historsea. When are you going back south? Maybe take the Mississippi and come see me in New Orleans. I’ll feed you till you burst!
Very excited to see this offering. I’m kind of in this boat, so to speak. I’m on the Chesapeake bay and have a great coastal bay boat (an older Ericson) but when it comes to crossing the atlantic and doing some higher latitude sailing, I’ve been thinking about upgrading to something me and the spouse can handle. Looking at things like the Bristol 41.1, Amel Sharki 39, Baba/Panda/Tashiba 40, Caliber 40 LRC. I’m trying to keep it as small as necessary but big enough to carry enough resources.
Don't forget Pacific Seacraft. Very often omitted on this channel...terrific boats.
@@aaronwells6608 you are absolutely correct. Crealock 37 is a solid contender
Even I as a basically beginner knows that you can cross the oceans in basically anything built from the 60s and onwards. It has more to do with the level of comfort you are willing to give up. For example two youtubers, tranquility (family of 3 on a 33ft Scanmar33, last i saw they were headed towards the indian ocean) and m jambo (solo sailed across the atlantic in a bavaria 35) not to mention the amount who crosses in vegas or similar.
I’m looking at the Amel super maramu but sometimes just think to use my Albin Vaga and keep loads of cash
True, blue water sailboats should only ever be owned by those using them to cross oceans (which most don't and never will.) The things which make them so desirable for crossing oceans, often makes them miserable in the marina (such as cramped, restricted spaces, despicable maneuverability while going in reverse or real sea berths as opposed to a comfortable and usable marina bed.
what do you think of the Pearson 424 or the Endeavour 38 or 42 center cockpit?
it would be amazing to build a new wooden ship.
i am wondering what prices we can find.
What's your opinion on a Columbia 39? 14 tons gross weight, bolt on solid iron keel.
Hey Tim,
Would you trust a Hunter/Beneteau, Catalina 380 maybe to do a crossing?
Ta mate
On bit more modern side, how about the Dufour? You can buy few of them year 2000+ under 100k.
What about Steel boats? Typical 10ton+ steel sounds perfect for Ocean crossing. I have 10ton Atlas mk2... it feels very strong :)
I asked a captain of a Catalina 400 about heaving to in a storm, and he said that trying it in that boat would tear it apart. Is that true of the Catalina 400?
Cheoy Lee are HongKong boats.
I am looking at a Endeavour 37-5 Plan A.
Do you think that would be a good ocean crossing vessel? Thank you in advance for any information
I'd like a Super Maramu but sloop rigged.. or a Swan 48 the S&S design, or.. but with my money I've got a baking soda fueled submarine.. the kind that came in a cereal box.
would you cross with a C&C 36?
I would take the Oceanus 42. (stirs the pot)
Me and my husband are looking for a Beneteau Oceanis 45 2013. do you think its possible to cross the atlantic with this kind of boat ? we are looking for mon anchoring than traveling so we like the layout
What are your thoughts on the Amel Sharki? Seen a lot of those for under 100k.
When do we get to the cheap boats?
For what ever reason you did not mention the camper Nicholson 40 ketch to cross the Atlantic. This boat not only does it look good but the boatyard tradition and the performance and construction coupled with design is something to ponder. The price of these at this time are in the 60 K here in the USA.
Buy a Nicholson 35 in the UK and sail back to the Caribbean.
Enjoyed that! Any thoughts on twin keels? It is something that has been discussed a fair bit over the last few decades but has never been fully dismissed. The Europeans have advanced it a fair bit. Anyhow greetings from Ireland. What are peoples thoughts about this subject on the other side of the big pond?
I have been following UMA which is a Pearson 36. It has sailed across the Atlantic, the North Sea, and even to Russia. But the hull has taken a beating. Most of the bulkheads have come adrift from the hull, making the boat practically worthless. So they couldn't sell it to get a better boat. What they are doing now is reglassing the bulkheads to the hull and then planning on rebuilding the interior.
When it's done, they will likely have a much better boat than they started out with, and probably a better one than they could ever hope to purchase on their budget.
Size and purposeful design are important. But I think history has shown that, after a few vital criteria are met, such as being decked over and having a high range of stability, the actual condition of the boat and, more important, the experience of the crew in handling it, are more important.
just bought a 1977 Downeaster 38 for $1k - - on the hard for refit on the Chesapeake- - launching in 12-18 months for circumnavigation , insurance ? lol looked at hundreds of boats 1st - Westsails , Taiwan dbl enders etc ect ( all hot meses ) before I found my "sleeper" - -- Pray for me ! yes I will have 50k+ in her likely by launch ! There is a guy cruising the South Pacific in a Downeaster 38 ( stripped to hull refit ! ) currently ! LEAKS ? yep but it's the ports ! mostly , so killing all the mold is problem #1 for now , then replace all ports / big unsafe windows and pull al crews fitting topside for resink , chainplates , rigging , sails , motor , yep she is a project but people are all over RUclips doing it to Downeasters ( just one example : Sailing Mundial ) and others too !
A Baba 40.
OK here goes (Comfort ratio in parenthesis)... three budget level -- Nor'sea 27 (32.41), Southern Cross 28 (32.66), Cape Dory 36 (35.74) --- Middle of the road -- Pearson Countess 44 (40.68), Baba 40 (41.50), Westsail 42 (44.16) -- My lottery boat : Little Harbor 60 (51.93). The best blue water deal that i have seen recently is a Hughs 48 (46.04) currently on Yacht World with an asking price of $42k U.S. dollars. Other than my lottery boat ($750,000 - $1,000,000), the price range for all listed run between $25,000 and $100,000. That being said, what is the solution for the insurance dilemma on these older boats -- might be a good topic for another episode. On a side note, as a Canadian I'm surprised that you never did an episode (unless I missed it) on any for the Gozzard boats -- they appear to have some really nice fit and finish.
I'm guessing that you would advise against trying this with a 1981 26' S2 8.0b?
Can you drop an episode about cats and crossing the ocean (Atlantic)?