No, AI won't be replacing you as a gamedev
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There are a lot of questions about AI, and how it will impact the future of gamedev. I don't think it's currently going to be replacing good old humans anytime soon, but it does offer some great solutions to speed up the gamedev process.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Should you still learn gamedev
01:00 Not covering the ethics
01:28 Salad
02:28 It's not fully there yet
03:45 Programming AI
04:53 Where we're advancing
06:38 Image generation
09:04 3D modelling
10:48 Music
11:41 It's not replacing us (yet)
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I am a bit disappointed you started advertising such technologies that are most of the time privacy invasive.
@@astrolemonade349 the internet itself is privacy invasive, why we on here?
@@astrolemonade349 I don't think this really is though? This is basically cloud compute. I'm guessing the AI jobs require at least like 12hr commitment for jobs, might even require you to lease the GPU for days at a time. The other option is just to rent out your GPU to miners (and you likely won't make much a day, but wear out your GPU).
Maybe there are privacy concerns? But I'm guessing not, unnecessary. Compute is already highly sought after.
Shit like "do valorant quests and earn gift cards!" are much more likely to be both using your computer to mine, and selling your personal data. They target people who are naive to those types of things, and who don't pay the electric bill.
Photography didn't replace painters. AI won't replace game devs. It's a tool. If you know how to use it to your advantage, you can make "better" games. But it's still YOU who makes the game!
I think AI is highly over hyped, which is truly crazy because I think the tools are actually very useful, chat-gpt for my non-gamedev and game dev coding alike has been a huge efficiency booster. But in all honesty at least for right now, its kinda just like Google 2.0... it basically makes searching online to help debug faster. I think there is a lot of incentive by companies to hype the tech to the moon but in its current format I don't think it will replace anything meaningful, the only caveat is if they stumble upon AGI, but unlike the singularity sub-reddit, I think that is a daunting task and one which wont be done any time soon if ever.
Ai is going to run into a brick wall when it's time to pay for all that electricity and PC hardware it burns thru. People too cheap to pay for even $5 art/programming task/pre-made asset, aren't going to pay $50 a month for their AI subscription.
There is also the fundamental flaw of not being able to simply remove one item it's learnt from. Lets say a DMCA takedown notice means that photo of a barn has to be removed, 100kW of power later the dataset has been re-learnt with that photo removed.
@@AramoniumGamesThis. Only company profiting from AI is NVidia, and none of the others have any path to profitability. Way before ethics or regulators catch up, investors will start demanding ROI. People already gripe about paying for bandwidth, Cloud/Compute, and market-dominant tools like Office & Creative Cloud. And it has to be subscription-based, so you can get updated models.
So no, I don't see widespread adoption of genAI at the prices they'd have to charge to become profitable.
Yeah Im wondering when the bubble is going to burst, the first waves of AI startups have already collapsed, and the new ones popping up will more certainly not last, meanwhile the big players are only around still because they can afford to hemorage billions in the hope that it will pay back, but we have already hit a point of diminishing returns with AI, the better the models get, exponentially the more it costs to run them.@@AramoniumGames
AI has always (since the 70ies at least) been very impressive in the beginning, then progress stalls out. Remember when self driving robot taxis were 1-2 years away? Yeah, that was 12 years ago now. We always get blinded by initial success and forget that AI never really truly understands anything, it's just a bunch of statistics under the hood. If you just come to terms with that fact, you can use it efficiently. If you don't you're gonna ride the hype train into a wall.
You’re wrong. We don’t understand how our current AI models work, and they somehow have the ability to teach themselves things they weren’t programmed. No one knows how they can do this, it’s scary, and it means they may have surpassed being a simple algorithm
Man I'd love if AI replaced me, I could actually work solo and make the game of my dreams.
Good luck getting the money to be able to sustain yourself as you make it. Better yet, good luck selling it if the market is oversaturated with AI content.
Then everyone else would also do it and your game would most likely never be noticed.
"You're still pretty good at being human"... ha.... sure.,
Some captchas tell me the opposite
Honestly "prompt engineer" is such a silly term. It has "engineer" in it, to make it seem like a high paying, high prestige job. Well sounds better than "cheap replacement for low-paid artists", doesn't it?
It's just another flavor of programmer. They tried the same in the 70s/80s with COBOL. It was supposed to be super-easy, natural business-language any $28k/yr secretary could pick up. And they did, and became $78k/yr COBOL programmers 😂
I mean you got a bunch of "software engineers" who don't have a civil engineer degree, so like regular software developers wanting to be called software engineers because it makes them feel like they're more competent than they are or whatever (pretty much all IT is full of people with superiority complex, and "gifted children" who's "smart but lazy").
@@muuubiee That sounds like your own inferiority issue, dude. There are lots of types of engineer besides civil - chemical, electrical, mechanical, process, etc. Most countries have "software engineer" as a formal license that includes specific training & practical experience, it's not just some vanity title.
"Prompt engineer" is just a marketing term so the job will sound sexy and aluring.
I've been waiting for this. Thanks guys!
AI is so insanely useful but is still years away from reading a design doc and making anything from it, let alone an entire game. A human can't even fully describe exactly what is in their head in a document to get the game they're thinking of.
As a full time game dev and software engineer who uses AI chat almost every day to code, I have no fear of the future.
May i ask what your field of work is as a software engineer?
You might want to be careful there with using AI code tools. Most/all the EULAs allow them to retrain on your code & prompts. And of course there are the subtle bugs & security holes it can feed you.
@@sealsharpBetter question is how many YOE. From what I've seen/read, the folks most inclined to use AI for code are fairly junior, or are working in domains that are well-covered by public codebases. More senior devs, or those working on complex or secure/enterprise domains, don't seem as enamored.
@@sealsharpIm a game dev working at a small company, using Unreal Engine. I use AI to answer easy questions about the UE codebase. "How do I draw a debug sphere?" AI is used best to get an answer to something you already know how to do. AI can't do squat to actually help me do large code design for a new large feature for our game.
I worked at AMD for 5 years before coming to game dev. I worked on graphics drivers for our graphics cards. I would have used the heck out of AI for just dumb stuff that's annoying or hard to remember. But AI wouldn't have the code base memorized and available like it seems to with UE (since UE source is available and there are buttloads of forums discussing the code, im sure)
@@Sluggernaut thanks for answering. I always wonder what people actually do with AI. The amount of public information is so drastically different between pieces of tech, do it's interesting so know where it is beneficial.
gotta convince that other dude to join you for these!
He's [Thomas?] probably busy coding - the new game's looking pretty sharp!
That "use it to your advantage" pov reminds me of this made up story that business people use as an example how to look for opportunities. The tale goes something like this: "2 business men from different companies were send to look out for new areas to sell shoes in. They both land on a shore at the same time. They meet locals. None of these natives are wearing shoes. First guy calls his boss 'ok, send me a helicopter, im out, no one here is wearing shoes, there is no business'. The 2nd one calls his boss 'send me all your storage immediately, NO ONE IS WEARING SHOES, we have no competition'." These 2 men saw same thing but one saw opportunity where other one saw disappointment. And i think many are seeing AI in same way: either as a tool that will help them or as a scary thing to run away from.
Actually SunoAI (former Chirp) is very very well done at this point. Still has its flaws, but significant upgrade
Agreed, right now ai is pretty useful and wont replace any more advanced jobs for a while
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should I need to buy courses to improve my coding?
Sure it will. In less than 5 years, it won't make any sense to be a "game dev" in the traditional sense, other than for passion projects and hobbies. Mainstream videogames are almost certainly going to be fully generative AI in a few years. And I'm not talking about AI generated textures or models, I'm talking about games fully generated out of the imagination of AI, in real time and fully interactive even in VR.. All created and guided by merely a page worth of information about how the game works, or an extensive PDF document with tons of detailed info, and the backstory if needed. Gamers will share those prompt instructions around, and have their own unique experiences or customization to it. Where do fulltime game developers fit into that?
You're insane. AI is already declining and getting dumber. It has no Intelligence . It is simply a information regurgitation machine. "In a few years, mainstream games are going to be AI". Wanna put some money towards that retarded position?
in 5 years nothing might make sense to do anymore, other than passion project and hobbies. AGI 2024 or 2025 is my bet. Give it another 1-2 years for the first robots coming out, then another 2-3 years for mass production. I guess the timeline is 5-10 years.
What makes you think it will happen only 5 years from now?
OMG I remember those eMachines towers, are they still a thing?
I think using plain English to iterate on assets is just inherently more feasible than iterating on code, and especially stable and scalable code and systems. I think it’ll take a long time for AI to be able to fully replace programmers and game designers vs. asset-creation disciplines like art, music and sound design.
>over the next 2 to 3 years you won't need an human artist anymore
Wow thanks! That's really freaking reassuring! definitely bodes well for the rest!
AI is especially useful for prototyping and if you have an artist who's able to redraw and repaint portions of the AI art, then it's very quick and easy to have production level assets. Yes, work is still required, but AI speeds the process up immensely. Now to find a code model that support GDScript.
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I think you got it. I'm using it through UE5 's AI. I agree it's a tool and I want to use it, just not rely on it. But as an artist it makes me nervous I have to admit...but evolve or die.
Not so sure my friend
But what if I'm not good at being a human? 8(
things that will never happen 1) Time-Travel 2) Fast than Light Travel 3) The Singularity/Super AI Intelligence 4) Fusion Energy
They've got fusion down to more of an engineering/cost problem, so we might actually see that one - assuming climate change & social unrest don't do us in first 😅
So AI is making coding 30% more efficient in the early days. How long till it becomes 50%? What about 70%? Maybe even higher. At that point, you become the expendable one.
Games too. Right now it can make shovelware which, while it does make it much much much harder to stand out as a new indie dev, how long till it can make a below average indie? How about a mediocre indie? How about a high quality indie, bearing in mind how lucrative things like Minecraft and Undertale have been.
We don’t know where this stops, and while none of us regular folk want it to take our jobs, all the corporations are desperate to have it reach a level where we all become obsolete, because you don’t need to pay an AI wages, and an AI can produce stuff far quicker than a human.
If we’re already losing jobs to it, with your Duolingo example, and everyone is desperate for it to grow, how many more jobs is it going to take down the line? All digital media is unsafe because so long as it exists, an AI can reproduce it.
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Yeah, not yet. We still have several years before it start hurt seriously. Even you admitted you use it for art and other stuff, which means less work for artists, i.e. they are replaced by people using AI to do their job. As AI getting better, you will need to compete with even more new game devs, because AI will do for them what you already know, and they won't need to spend years to learn it and catch up with you. So, the market and internet will be flooded with even more bad, mid and good games than now, even casual players will be able to make their games with AI, and then good luck trying to market your games or making games for a living. Why I'm so sceptical? Because since AI became popular for the mass audience, my work as an artist has halved. And if I use AI it won't improve the situation because the market is flooded with AI production and new AI "artists". I see even clients started using AI and don't hire artist, or AI "artists". :)
I'm an artist and I've found that AI has allowed me to make higher quality art faster. Just because a tool is available, doesn't mean every person will be able to use it well. This is where creativity and ideas start coming into play. Yes, the market will be flooded with games, art, etc... but the good ones will rise to the top and those will still be those made by people who have good ideas. It will be messy for a while though.
@@user-rx3xl7zn1u Mate, what creativity is this? AI takes from us the most creative parts of the art - ideation and concepting. You just choose what AI product you like the most and how to fix it. If everyone will be able to make games with AI, why should they play someone else's game again made with AI? They just will tell the AI to make a similar game to a successful one, but better. :)
@@flamart9703 That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say the market will be flooded with bad games and art. People can push a button and pop something very mediocre out. If you're just pushing a button and you're happy with what pops out, you probably aren't the creative type.
Meanwhile those who hone their skills and learn to leverage AI through their own creativity and brilliant ideas will rise to the top with games and art that are far superior to the rest.
@@flamart9703 in my opinion only artists will know what is creative and good quality. So they will not be replaced because non-artistic people will no be able to tell what's good an not. Artists will just have a good tool to make their creative process faster. At the same time I believe that there are people who do not have artistic skills but have a very good eye for quality and will also be valued
You guys don't seem to get the gist of what's coming. There won't be creative people and brilliant ideas outshining the rest and rising to the top with games, art or whatever, there won't be a need for people to be able to judge what is good art or not. All these things will be the fruit of improved AI algorithms. AI will be able to distinguish good from bad art/game better than any human, because of the huge database for comparison (books, movies, videos, human discussions, research, etc.). Sound far-fetched? Even now, there is software that analyzes emotions through physiological indicators and the face, and gives a more accurate assessment of a person's condition than the judgment of a human specialist. AI will produce art, games, and other products according to everyone's preferences (there will be no need for anyone to seek out and admire someone else who produces "better" AI products), and almost no one will pay attention to your art or game because the internet will be oversaturated with your and the other billions of people's AI products and hardly anyone will buy them. Well, if you're not going to make art/games for profit, but for your own satisfaction, then you won't have a problem with AI dominating those fields.
Says "We shouldn't just steal stuff." (3:15) But uses Midjourney. (6:40) 🤦♂
After I read the title of this video, I knew that you would have read my comment. :P I am at the beginning at 0:05
I'm currently doing an AI MSc. I believe AI will eventually fully replace game developers, but this will most likely be when AGI is here, which means everyone will be replaced anyway, and we'll be living off UBI generated by a robotic/AI economy.
I think within 15 years there will be no game developers, or it will be mostly just prompt engineering. Let's be real, we've been heading more and more toward prompt engineering, without people realising it. The code languages and libraries, and game engines we have available to us now provide vastly more automation than in the 20th century.
Game design isn't ai yet 🎉
Yes it is, it’s just not very good. You know what else wasn’t very good a few months ago? AI art, but look at what’s happening to them now
@@thatonespooder1513 try this in bing copilot : write a proposal for a game design that mix persona and hitman.
Report results once you do.
I was joking, it totally will replace game designer, but someone has to put a dynamic procedure first, while knowing how the job works. The potential is already here, just need some clever fine tuning.
"ChatGPT, make me Elder Scrolls 1034."
If it literally worked like that then the world would be pretty cool and we'd be living in an deluge of entertainment.
I guess the other fear is that AI tools will be very potent but still require human input and expertise to use so if you are using them ineffectively and unaware of it then you are also being left behind like an unwilling luddhite.
Learning to use Stable Diffusion Webui and Comfyui took me about 2 weeks of experimentation to sort of get what I was doing (my graphics card is only GTX 1650)
It would be cool, for massive corporations; but for us small developers who are not established already then that is the end for our jobs. People gotta live bruh and there’s no way to live if you can’t afford anything cause u don’t have a job
@@5ld734 What job are you expecting to hold in a world like that? There are no jobs, or extremely few, at that point.
I'm not going to bother watching this clickbait. Tomorrow? No. In the future? Absolutely it will. And it will replace all other jobs too. All jobs. AI will reach parity with human intelligence. Period. Full Stop. When that happens, there will be very little point to having jobs with humans doing them. You are lying to yourself if you think otherwise. It was inevitable. We aren't that special. I'm not saying LLMs will be sentient, but we are on the path regardless.
The day AI replaces humans, we would just sit and have fun. No need to "work" to get "money" or anything like that. We have fun and robots do the jobs.
And when that happens, everybody starts doing his dream "hobbies" and making games is indeed one of them. ;)
@@whilefree We all can hope. It could go pure utopia, or pure dystopia. Depends on who controls the AI and how altruistic they are. It is inevitable though. We should all consider that if we are divided as we are now, when it happens, it might not be pretty. Everything will be thrown in to chaos the day AGI is created. Stock markets will plummet as everyone realizes the day our currency has any value is numbered. We won't be trading work for currency, and then currency for goods. So how will it work? We need to be kind, because it will take a lot of patience, understanding, and humanity to make it through that safely.
@@fyndor Hopefully every government is smart enough to add an "AI tax", that every robot owning company has to pay, which is then dived out as UBI.
It is easy to say "in the future AI will". It is hard to say when exactly. The same goes "we are on the path to AGI". I mean, yeah? We are also on the path to self-driving cars. It just took us how many, 10+? years to walk said path with no concrete end in sight.
And no, creating AGI was not inevitable and still is not. Humanity tech-tree is not linear. People are saying that because the field is now booming and since hype is through the roof it is very easy to conjure very far fetched scenarios. The same thing happened during the Cold War, when nuking ourself to the stone age was also considered by some as inevitable, and yet here we are.
@@Salantor it is inevitable. The recipe is baked in to our dna. If we don’t stumble upon it on our own, eventually we will be able to extract the necessary info out of our dna to get it done. LLMs won’t become sentient (I don’t think); but it’s easy to see how what we have now is a massive chunk of what is required for AGI. You lack imagination if you can’t see the writing on the wall. I don’t like to give timelines because I would be pulling them out of thin air. No one can give timelines. Ignore anyone who does. I am not completely uninformed. I have I an electrical engineering degree. I knew in the 90s it was inevitable. I just sound less crazy now to some, but most are still in denial. We are just organic machines. We aren’t magical. We aren’t even perfect. Evolution doesn’t create perfection. It creates good enough. Why would people think we can’t do better than “good enough”? I don’t know if we will ever compete with biology from an efficiency standpoint, but we will surpass capabilities even if it means we are back to having computers the size of buildings.