That pinching-the-doorknob moment has the same energy as when astronauts come back down to Earth and forget their pens don't stay suspended in the air.
@@fxarts9755 I did some very similar things. When I first got a digital drawing tablet, I kept trying to turn the pen upside down to erase. When I got my iPad and Procreate, I kept reaching for the keyboard, which wasn't connected to my iPad, on my desk and kept trying to ctrl+z. Then I got used to Procreate and tried to 2 finger tap to undo on a pen display tablet with no touch screen. You get so used to doing something that your hands move before your brain catches up.
@@fxarts9755 I've had that moment a number of times as well. Not even just limited to procreate but other drawing programs as well (clip studio, photoshop, etc) where I reach for the undo button or instinctively press the shortcut for it and realize that I'm doing that on a piece of paper or in my sketch pad.
agreed. my car is 29 years old with over 200k on it. because, as a disabled vet, im screwed and i cant get a loan for anything. im watching it because i like tech. i used to build computers and do repairs and on-site installs for a high end firm, but my body is falling apart from my service so i had to hang it up. now i get my tech binge from shows like this.
Hiya, I'm the dummy who bought the Vision Pro "for Genshin." (yes, that was mostly a joke justification because I make dumb Genshin Impact videos lol) I've got some additional thoughts for those that care. Having had the device for the better part of a month now, I don't plan to keep it. Right now it's more a question of "how long do I plan on keeping it" mostly for the purpose of showing it some friends/family that live varying degrees of not nearby me. I really do love the thing as a device to be able to share my passion for technology rather than just talking about my passions. The Vision Pro is a really fun device to use, but far too expensive for what it actually does right now. Which I am not at all surprised by--I expected that going in. It is ultimately very expensive toy that I am treating as a device I am "renting" by nature of intending to get most of my money back later by selling it. I believe in the future of the product category as a whole, and I look forward to the innovation that may come as a result of Apple entering the space. I also concur with the feelings of just talking to people in the headset being one of the meaningful values of the device. I think the audio experience on top of the persona stuff goes a long way towards making it feel like people are present in a room with you, to a much greater extent than I have felt with other digital forms of talking with people. It is my preferred method of talking to anyone digitally now, so long as I am JUST talking to them. Still need to use my PC to play games while talking to friends of course. Anyhow, it was super fun being part of this video, thanks a ton for letting me be part of it Jonathan!
Do you believe that a gen 2, 3, or 4 version of this device would be close enough to what people are expecying/wanting, or is it something that fundamentally isn't going in the direction fans hope it would?
@@noytelinu Ignoring the cost aspects (of which I believe will naturally fall with economies of scale as the product category grows and the tech matures), yes I absolutely do think future generations will get there. Many of the issues I have with the Vision Pro are related to things missing in software control like the lack of customization or ability to have a window following you as you move around without needing to manually grab it, hardware issues like low light functionality, not having any wired connection to even transfer files (without the $300 developer strap), or whatever else. I could honestly go on and on with minor gripes, but overall, I would say that in the last 10ish years that I have been actively following the VR/AR category, it kinda seemed to be stagnating for a long while, to the degree that I was starting to not believe in it any longer. The Vision Pro showed me a hardware AND software implementation (the software bit is very important imo) that has reinvigorated my belief in the product category. I believe in the future of devices like it for education and communication especially (its a lot better for digital communication and can fix many issues with remote-work related to social interaction digitally imo). In a lot of ways the VP feels like proof to me that the future we are envisioning with these devices is real. But its probably at least 5ish years away from being accessible/desirable to the avg person. Minor side not, I do think the future of games being "better" in a device like this may still be a bit farther off though. Still valuable for unique gaming experiences, but not replacing your gaming console/PC any time soon (due to a mix of the complexity of interfacing, comfort wearing devices long term, and performance of all-in-one devices like the VP)
@@noytelinu I wrote a big reply to this already but it seems like YT decided to not post that... I will just summarize what I initially wrote: Put simply, having followed the VR/AR category fairly closely for the last 10ish years (since Palmer Luckey and the very early Oculus stuff), I kinda had been losing my belief in the potential of the product category recently due to how it felt like it was stagnating. Progress on a hardware and software level seemed to have halted past occasional "woah look at this cool demo of something that is definitely totally doable with a real product" (looking at you, Facebook). The Vision Pro is enough of a jump on a hardware AND (notably) a software level that it reinvigorated my belief in the category again. If I were to place a bet, we are still 5ish years away (I doubt we will get yearly generations, so I would say 2 generations) from it being attractive to the avg person on a cost level as well as hardware/software experience level. There is all kinds of minor nitpicks I could mention related to the VP, but I do believe it proves the concept for the potential of the category more than anything else has, and Apple is providing the kick in the butt that the category needed to jumpstart competition properly. I don't think this is quite an iPhone situation where everyone will have a "Vision" device by the end of the decade, but I do believe Apple is legitimizing the tech in a way that gives normal people the desire to use such devices such that it will soon be a very normal thing for people to be using this style of device. By the end of the decade I think people will look back at conversations happening TODAY and people will laugh at how many of us are talking about the Vision Pro.
@@noytelinu Put simply, having followed the VR/AR category fairly closely for the last 10ish years (since Palmer Luckey and the very early Oculus stuff), I kinda had been losing my belief in the potential of the product category recently due to how it felt like it was stagnating. Progress on a hardware and software level seemed to have halted past occasional "woah look at this cool demo of something that is definitely totally doable with a real product" The Vision Pro is enough of a jump on a hardware AND (notably) a software level that it reinvigorated my belief in the category again. I think we are likely still 5ish years away (I doubt we will get yearly generations, so I would say 2 generations) from it being attractive to the avg person on a cost level as well as hardware/software experience level. There is all kinds of minor nitpicks I could mention related to the VP, but I do believe it proves the concept for the potential of the category more than anything else has, and Apple is providing the kick in the butt that the category needed to jumpstart competition properly. I don't think this is quite an iPhone situation where everyone will have a "Vision" device by the end of the decade, but I do believe Apple is legitimizing the tech in a way that gives normal people the desire to use such devices such that it will soon be a very normal thing for people to be using this style of device. By the end of the decade I think people will look back at conversations happening TODAY and laugh at how many of us are talking about it.
Mihoyo is adapting most of there games to Vision pro and I think HSR has a Vision Pro prize raffle. So it is not a dummy thing I think mihoyo is really interested in AR.
That one guy who said how he changed when he got the Vision Pro (pinching the doorknob?) reminds me of what happened when I got my first cell phone over 15 years ago - it went from "unusual" to "natural" in a matter of a few days.
Yeah, the device has this weird way of lulling you into a new sense of it just being normal now to be able to put the thing on to watch something, or to jump on a call with my mom, or to be able to move computer windows around freely in space. To a degree where it can occasionally feel weirdly limiting that I cant just move my desktop monitor freely around the room.
Its nothing like a phone, phones have been a thing people have been using for nearly 150 years, they are useful things that people want, there is NOTHING unnatural about picking up a phone ! Stop trying to will VR face mufflers to be successful, by drawing disingenuous parallels with successful products !
@@rocketmunkey1Dude, easy there. I dunno about you but I grew up with a phone being something that was in a static place all the time, not something you walked around with. It was a device where you went there rather than carry it in your pocket. I'm just saying it appears that the one guy had the same reaction to using the Apple Vision Pro that I did when I got my first cell phone, nothing more. This isn't a "will to be successful", this is a comparison of reactions to a product. Is there a problem with that?
@@MindstabThrullYeah because I hear this naff marketing spiel, trying to compare the vision pro to the iPhone / VR to phones all the time to try and brainwash people into wondering around with a face muffler on and its utter nonsense ! You felt strange holding a phone ? ridiculous straw grasping nonsense, the Apple marketing team must try harder !
It's hard to watch anything Mac related without them getting on their knees, or the presenter (like Linus) is not a fan and can't really see past the downsides. Jonathan and that other red haired dude are a good balance.
True. Even some of the other LTT video's are a bit much with their presentation style being all a bit "RAAAAAHHHHHH". This is nice and chilled, informative and Jonathan Horst is great, easy to listen to and less shouty than some of the others.
It is so refreshing to be able to recall all the things he talked about too, instead of all the information going straight into the trash. The quality certainly is here! Less is definitely more.
For me, it's more that I treat money as transient in value. I only value it for the experiences it can offer me in life. So I try to be smart with my savings. In the case of the Vision Pro, I justify it by my passion and the fact that I should be able to get most of my money back when selling it lol.
tbh i feel like it could really improve my workflow. im sitting mainly on my PC all day for work and can see myself using this all the time. just sitting in one of these environments alone while doing work or smth feels like a huge upgrade. yes its expensive but then again considering what i paid for other computers, monitors and other work devices. i actually wanted to get one of these 42" TVs as a monitor linus also got but i just dont have the space worries me. also its not portable and i expect to move a lot in the future. so u telling me i could get smth like that but bigger and portable? take my money
@@segiraldovi Based on my experience getting a different light seal at an Apple store, I suspect Apple will exchange to a different size. I was outside of when their policy says online for eligibility to swap a light seal for free and they did it no questions when I went to the store to try different sizes. All they checked in store was the serial number of the device, so I suspect their functional policy is to just swap it out as long as the device is in warranty. Kinda got a vibe of them just being nice to the early adopters though lol. Worst case scenario, its a $200 loss. Im not too concerned about the difference between getting $2500 or $2700 when I resell the thing in a few months.
My experience with the M3 Pro MacBook Pro was the same as that Ian guy. I showed up the the Apple store to pick it up... and there was no one there. Probably more people getting their iPhones fixed at the genius bar.
I think there are just less people with Macbooks in general, along with most Macbook users using their laptops for like 10 years before they get a new one. Makes the Macbook releases have less of a flood of people rushing in. There are a decent number of people that upgrade their iPhones often, but Ive never met someone that gets a new Mac every year or two. (Also just got an M3 Pro MBP, loving it, hope you're enjoying yours)
I think the persons thing would probably work a lot better if there was still that kind of scan from the headset but you could also get a more complete and accurate scan at an Apple Store or something
Tried the Vision Pro last week and genuinely surprised at how quickly I went from like no way, to ah shit, can I find a reason to justify the investment? Being in the Apple ecosystem makes it so tempting. As a podcast engineer and editor, the thought of using protools inside this one day could be really fun and possibly even more productive than a keyboard and mouse. Imagine chopping audio tracks like you’re in fruit ninja!
Neat technology, as someone in the Apple ecosystem via my laptop, phone, and watch I'm interested in where it goes, but as it exists now, I just have no use for this, especially at that price point. Maybe when Apple Vision Air comes out. lol
I worked on the Vision Pro, but left Apple in 2021 so didn’t get to see anything close to a finished product. Would be cool to own something I worked on but not $3000 cool (I have an Apple friend willing to give me his 25% off discount). I can’t imagine I’d use it for anything other than watching RUclips, something I do just fine on a 7th Gen iPad.
Don't know what team you worked on, but Apple's ARKit/RealityKit team really dropped the ball. It can map a static mesh of a room… but that it? It can't track moving objects reliably, it can't recognize and classify objects (not full classification, but enough classification to know what apps have existing bindings to them), it can't understand IRL contextual objects or environments (the XR dream scenario I always give is you look outside your window up at the sky, and contextually it knows you want to see a weather widget overlaid on the sky showing current conditions and near-term forecast). None of this is possible because visionOS doesn't really track or know anything other than a rough mesh of the exterior dimensions of physical spaces- technology Apple, Oculus, Lead, Zed, and many others have had nailed for close to a decade. So that leaves it to the developer to implement all of that with the caveat that it'll only work when the app is already open. I think Apple's opened the door for some company like Unity or Unreal or Leap to build a smart API that can do all these things well, for all VR-passthrough/AR/XR platforms, and for astounding apps to come from innovative devs, yes on Vision Pro, but also available on every other platform, and honestly Vision Pro's version will be the most limited underwhelming version.
@@CapnSlippif Apple has built Ferret and Apple Intelligence...do you you really think Vision Pro wont be able to do those things you said 2-5 years from now😂
What problem does it solve? What benefit does it bring? What ergonomics does it improve on? What justifies this expense for anything other than entertainment? Like Linus said on WAN, for people that don't have "downtime" what is the value? But maybe Apple's primary demographic is entertainment users.
It makes the best case for productivity in VR over anything meta has done but yeah it still isn’t anywhere near as flexible as a computer, the fact you can use it seamlessly in conjunction with your computer is neat though. The Vision Pro, despite how powerful it is, isn’t well suited to vr gaming which is a shame because currently vr games are still by far the most compelling experiences in VR / AR
@@hieronyma_I think they do know. Their demographic for this was people that have money and want to spend it on the “latest and greatest” tech. Like people that own super cars that aren’t street legal and never take them to the track other than maybe once in their lifetime for that singular experience and then to say they own it and it’s cool. They aren’t practical, comfortable, or anything but people still buy them even without utility. For this the price is SO high it keeps out your average consumer that would complain that you can’t really DO anything with it. Ironically people willing to shell out the cash for it don’t care that it doesn’t DO anything and are much less likely to complain. It’s that it’s cool and the best hardware and experience that exists even if that experience is very narrow and limited. Then Apple can learn and refine the product to a point that it makes more sense for your average consumer. I find something similar in other lines of work. My higher paying clients often are the ones least likely to complain and the ones I can experiment a bit more with. My lower paying clients are generally more demanding and try to squeeze every bit of value out of each and every penny. They want me to do significantly more with significantly less. With all that said, the marketing for the AVP as a “special computing” productivity device and many of the other claims are silly. Especially if you are familiar with the VR/XR space already.
Honestly I love it since it makes my productivity more fun. I get to engage my work in a very futuristic fashion and having a gadget on your head makes me less distracted but that might just be me
It's a fantastic productivity tool that would costs 1000s of dollars in physical screen otherwise… oh wait, no it isn't, because it only supports a single 4K display from a Mac. Apple couldn't figure out how to port their own foveated rendering technology to macOS so that only the screen you're looking at needs to be sent to the Vision Pro over the air at any reasonable bandwidth.
I can afford it, but I am not desperate for what is practically a public beta product. We all know Apple is working on v2 for launch at the end of 2025. v3 or v4 is where you want to get in. Apple also needs to work on comfort the most, use lighter materials over aesthetics, resolve the FOV issues, it does look like you are looking through binoculars and all of Apple must be on board with native apps, not some departments releasing iPad apps and some native. The Finder desktop when connect the Mac needs to be decomposed in favor of a floating global menu bar and Dock with free floating Mac apps to make the experience worth while. In fact, this needs to be built in without the need to own a Mac. And finally, the battery life needs to be a minimum 8 hours and the price needs to come down to 1,799.
I have Quest 2 and is the best $300 ever. My biggest complain is still the lack of softwares so I'm pretty sure Quest 3 isthe best you can spend around $500 to $600
@vadnegru you can use Immersed VR for that. Using your pc/mac inside a VR headset is not new. I can't argue with the integration thing, but I would like to see features the Apple Vision Pro does that a Meta Quest 3 can't.
@@CanalNGP short answer, if you are in ecosystem, this is just another device that fits. If you're mostly pc/android guy, quest is way better option. P.S maybe we will go back to 3D photography, since most of the phones already have 2+ cameras. AVP already caused that to appear on an iPhone and there are tools to view that photos on Quest.
I wish Horst could have been the first at LMG to try it a do a video on it. It's a shame to have to wait for almost a month and not even get his opinion on it.
TBH I don't care about Apple products but I watch these videos because the presenter is so good and the format is very different from any other tech channels.
Do i have disposable income? Yes. Can i justify buying this? No. From a productivity standpoint this this is useless to me. Even with a Macbook, company policy wouldnt let me connect my work account to this, leaving aside that it can only do 1 extended screen. Then there's the cost replacing peripherals such as my keyboard and mouse. The device is locked behind the walled garden so a lot of stuff i already own, bar my Air wouldnt work with this. Dont get me wrong, i think is amazing as a product and no doubt people will find uses for it. But on the other side of the coin there are people like me who, even if they wanted to try it, the additional costs just add up and up and up.
if it worked properly with non apple stuff i could see it being a good choice if you are already looking at a new tv anyways. if the new one is like half the price and still really good while also being able to plug it into my pc or non apple phone i would consider it instead of a 4k monitor which i would like to get soon.
I prefer the usual video format with more narration from, and video of Jonathan. I guess I prefer the guided content rather than watching interviews. Still good video tho
@@lilmurloc I was a senior in high school when the iPod 1 dropped. I remember that the school bought a bucket of them for some reason and a few of the students ended up with them. At the time we had a class where students would work with the computer tech for the school doing repairs and so on. They all got one. I think it’s cause at the start on most machines iPods were just mountable storage and we could run around with the Mac’s images in our pockets.
Gosh it should would be nice to be able to just on a whim purchase something like this like yeah why not. I think it definitely has a spot in the tech history of things like what comes next in Technologies history I think there is a place for it in a productivity sense. There is something that would be intuitive about sharing a file or idea in a work space and then being able to look over at it and then have others who are in the call or also in that environment working with you is able to look at it themselves in their Vision Pro and opening the app to be truly more work consumer friendly would actually make this technology a lot better and a lot quicker if that kind of idea was put forward.
Genshin is a horribly flawed game that I actively heavily criticize. I honestly would not still be playing it if it were not for the fact that I happenstanced into making content for it. But hey at least Genshin is probably better than anything you will ever achieve in your life. (yes I'm being an arse because apparently your hobby is being an arse on the internet, so an eye for an eye is fair I think)
@@simsimw Just throwing an insult back, it means next to nothing other than Genshin Impact probably will have far more of an impact on people than anything they will do in life. Which means nothing since most people fall in that category when comparing the significance of your life to that of something affecting many people, myself included lol. Ultimately, they ticked me off with their pointless insult that imo shows more about how they think and act than anything, so I threw a pointless insult back.
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Man, even just you and your blue eyes and the contrast with the blue shirt, the entire scenery is so sanitized. You guys do a great job appleing the channel content I love it 😅🤣
4:33 this is the way to instantly kill your device, receiving sunlight directly into the lenses, magnifying lenses, that instantly burn the screens device
5:39 I had a similar experience when I played Half-Life: Alyx. I recall one time trying to use the gravity gloves to get my water bottle from across the room
That and they know if they speak too negatively, MA will just cut it out because this channel is primarily for Apple fans to justify things to themselves.
The only problem I have with the Vision Pro what is there to do on it? The only thing for me shows and movies because Apple I doubt the Apple is gonna go into VR gaming market , apart from that, it will be watching media but for that I had a pretty good TV and I don’t want something on my head. I want something to be comfortable and also it had a two hour battery .
the answer, I'm rich and I can. I'm sorry... that's the only thing I can think of. I'm amazed... but hey it's not my money. thanks for showing this John.
I’d love to own one just to share the experience with others. I had my eye on Oculus DK1 for YEARS but couldn’t justify it. It was clunky and inconvenient as were most headsets for a while. When the Oculus Go came out I immediately bought one and shared it with so many people. Specifically sitting in a theater and watching a movie. It was easy to demonstrate, impress, and not cause motion sickness from the lack of 6DOF. That then inspired my brother to buy a quest when it first released. Now in my family I believe we have at least 10 different VR headsets. Like 1-2 per household. It is a tech that when experienced, then priced right with enough things to do WITH other people it becomes a much easier sell. And that last social part I think is key to mass adoption.
Bought a Vision Pro. I bought it because I've always been enthusiastic about XR, and I instantly knew it had great bones because the spatial audio on the thing is phenomenal. Even small movements of the sound source can be felt, and I felt that with everything else like great hand tracking, video resolution, etc, I felt like the potential that it will be great is huge.
Except Vision Pro isn't AR/XR- there's little to no integration of IRL object tracking and correlation with virtual visuals. It's VR + a passthrough camera backdrop.
i cant believe this channel is an LTT channel. The production is miles better than even the main channel. The host and the crew deserve to make their own channel with this level of production and content.
Well speaking for myself and with all the rumors and us knowing the price of the AVP a good 6-12 months before it was released, I saved up for it. Still not easy dropping 4 grand on it though!
”I mostly use it to watch anime on a 50 inch screen instead of my small Iphone screen..." My man, do you have any idea how big of a TV you can get for that amount of money ??
He couldn't bring that TV outside as shown in the video. Although a tablet or larger phone would probably be more convenient than Apple Vision for that use case (cheaper too).
7:12 personas with AI in the future will look way much more. Esp now it's much better vs when just released. Hope we can have options in personas if with glasses or what clothes etc. This will encourage more facetime as you wont be embarassed on how you currently look
Sorry but i though you were goint to talk to ´normal´people, off course everyone already knows tech bros,tech/vr/ar enthusiasts and people working the industry will buy one but beond that i see no potentials buyers and that is the awnser i was looking for, sorry.
I think XR is the future of computing, but the reason i wasn't compelled to get the Vision Pro is because it can't replace my computer. If it could run pro apps like Final Cut and Logic, etc I would sell my macbook pro and get the Vision; but it's just an ipad on your face right now. Even though VR is my FAVORITE technology, the vision doesn't earn the "pro" name IMO
I've been into VR for nearly 8yrs now, and I can tell you now, there is no way this will take off until they can make the VR/AR headset the size and weight of an industry pair of clear light weight safety glasses, and even those, people get annoyed wearing for any length of time, heat, face pressure, face wrinkle and a bunch of other things will stop any normal person from wearing these any longer than 30 to 45mins, not to mention, allowing these hostile multinational companies control even more of what you do, see and have access too.
“It’s the best vr headset you can buy right now” From a technical level, yes but in terms of content and experiences, it’s pretty abysmal. Apple seems so afraid of truly being a platform for games, but games are still the most compelling and novel VR experiences so making their VR headset that de-emphasizes games and even makes them harder to develop/design due to the limited input methods. Hand tracking is nice for interfaces but not for 99.9% of games. I get why they don’t want controllers, the idea of that is very un-apple, for the same reason Steve Jobs wanted the iPhone to be capacitive touch and not include a stylus in the original iPhone. But with a touch screen you can do everything you’d want to do on a phone, with motion gestures and eye tracking, you are heavily limited in what you can do.
None of the people interviewed are good examples. They are all connected to the product itself. As such, it's not a good sample for the premise outlined in the intro. (not saying it's a bad video just... not good)
I think for the next product it should have a "projector type" connection, or built in, but it will be heavier. Lets say a small projector like the freestyle from Samsung, and you can quickly share what are you seeing for some people around you
wait why was this the first time you tried the thing? even if lmg couldn't get sent a review unit they should still be able to afford a pre order unit right? this channel honestly has quality level leagues ahead of the company's main operation and it's not even getting enough support it seems
I got a quest 3 coz of all this hype apple created around vr.... I'm happy with my purchase.... watching movies in a theatre is awesome! and using it for a screen to your Mac is good too!!!
I found that very interesting. I remember watching an interview with Steve Jobs early in the iPod days, where he said that he was convinced that the iPod would convert users to Apple. He had to explain to the aghast interviewer that it wasn’t that he thought they’d have to buy a Mac to interface with it but he was convinced that the user interface with it was so different from other tech products, that users would gravitate to future Apple products to get the same experience. I was very sceptical at the time, so it was interesting to see that two of your interviewees proved that Steve Jobs was correct.
Before this video starts I want to mention I’ll also be watching Adam Savage’s 2-hour review after this, along with others. I hope to learn as much as possible, and I’ll ask questions at the end.
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That pinching-the-doorknob moment has the same energy as when astronauts come back down to Earth and forget their pens don't stay suspended in the air.
I'm an artist using Procreate where u tap with 2 fingers to undo. I often caught myself doubletapping on real paper...
@@fxarts9755 I did some very similar things. When I first got a digital drawing tablet, I kept trying to turn the pen upside down to erase. When I got my iPad and Procreate, I kept reaching for the keyboard, which wasn't connected to my iPad, on my desk and kept trying to ctrl+z. Then I got used to Procreate and tried to 2 finger tap to undo on a pen display tablet with no touch screen. You get so used to doing something that your hands move before your brain catches up.
@@fxarts9755when i was a student, i once tried to use the undo gesture on paper xD
had the same thing when i tried my friends vr set with half life alyx. wanted to pick up a fork by flicking my wrist lol
@@fxarts9755 I've had that moment a number of times as well. Not even just limited to procreate but other drawing programs as well (clip studio, photoshop, etc) where I reach for the undo button or instinctively press the shortcut for it and realize that I'm doing that on a piece of paper or in my sketch pad.
I wish I had such levels of disposable income to splurge $3500 on a headset.
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agreed. my car is 29 years old with over 200k on it. because, as a disabled vet, im screwed and i cant get a loan for anything. im watching it because i like tech. i used to build computers and do repairs and on-site installs for a high end firm, but my body is falling apart from my service so i had to hang it up. now i get my tech binge from shows like this.
Work hard and be creative it’s not impossible just takes dedication:)
I have way more than enough to pay this $3500. But my life taught me not to do this.
@@TheDogGoesWoof69what thoughtful advice, i’m sure they’ve never thought of that
Hiya, I'm the dummy who bought the Vision Pro "for Genshin." (yes, that was mostly a joke justification because I make dumb Genshin Impact videos lol)
I've got some additional thoughts for those that care. Having had the device for the better part of a month now, I don't plan to keep it.
Right now it's more a question of "how long do I plan on keeping it" mostly for the purpose of showing it some friends/family that live varying degrees of not nearby me. I really do love the thing as a device to be able to share my passion for technology rather than just talking about my passions. The Vision Pro is a really fun device to use, but far too expensive for what it actually does right now. Which I am not at all surprised by--I expected that going in. It is ultimately very expensive toy that I am treating as a device I am "renting" by nature of intending to get most of my money back later by selling it. I believe in the future of the product category as a whole, and I look forward to the innovation that may come as a result of Apple entering the space.
I also concur with the feelings of just talking to people in the headset being one of the meaningful values of the device. I think the audio experience on top of the persona stuff goes a long way towards making it feel like people are present in a room with you, to a much greater extent than I have felt with other digital forms of talking with people. It is my preferred method of talking to anyone digitally now, so long as I am JUST talking to them. Still need to use my PC to play games while talking to friends of course.
Anyhow, it was super fun being part of this video, thanks a ton for letting me be part of it Jonathan!
Do you believe that a gen 2, 3, or 4 version of this device would be close enough to what people are expecying/wanting, or is it something that fundamentally isn't going in the direction fans hope it would?
@@noytelinu Ignoring the cost aspects (of which I believe will naturally fall with economies of scale as the product category grows and the tech matures), yes I absolutely do think future generations will get there.
Many of the issues I have with the Vision Pro are related to things missing in software control like the lack of customization or ability to have a window following you as you move around without needing to manually grab it, hardware issues like low light functionality, not having any wired connection to even transfer files (without the $300 developer strap), or whatever else.
I could honestly go on and on with minor gripes, but overall, I would say that in the last 10ish years that I have been actively following the VR/AR category, it kinda seemed to be stagnating for a long while, to the degree that I was starting to not believe in it any longer. The Vision Pro showed me a hardware AND software implementation (the software bit is very important imo) that has reinvigorated my belief in the product category. I believe in the future of devices like it for education and communication especially (its a lot better for digital communication and can fix many issues with remote-work related to social interaction digitally imo). In a lot of ways the VP feels like proof to me that the future we are envisioning with these devices is real. But its probably at least 5ish years away from being accessible/desirable to the avg person.
Minor side not, I do think the future of games being "better" in a device like this may still be a bit farther off though. Still valuable for unique gaming experiences, but not replacing your gaming console/PC any time soon (due to a mix of the complexity of interfacing, comfort wearing devices long term, and performance of all-in-one devices like the VP)
@@noytelinu I wrote a big reply to this already but it seems like YT decided to not post that... I will just summarize what I initially wrote:
Put simply, having followed the VR/AR category fairly closely for the last 10ish years (since Palmer Luckey and the very early Oculus stuff), I kinda had been losing my belief in the potential of the product category recently due to how it felt like it was stagnating. Progress on a hardware and software level seemed to have halted past occasional "woah look at this cool demo of something that is definitely totally doable with a real product" (looking at you, Facebook).
The Vision Pro is enough of a jump on a hardware AND (notably) a software level that it reinvigorated my belief in the category again. If I were to place a bet, we are still 5ish years away (I doubt we will get yearly generations, so I would say 2 generations) from it being attractive to the avg person on a cost level as well as hardware/software experience level. There is all kinds of minor nitpicks I could mention related to the VP, but I do believe it proves the concept for the potential of the category more than anything else has, and Apple is providing the kick in the butt that the category needed to jumpstart competition properly. I don't think this is quite an iPhone situation where everyone will have a "Vision" device by the end of the decade, but I do believe Apple is legitimizing the tech in a way that gives normal people the desire to use such devices such that it will soon be a very normal thing for people to be using this style of device. By the end of the decade I think people will look back at conversations happening TODAY and people will laugh at how many of us are talking about the Vision Pro.
@@noytelinu Put simply, having followed the VR/AR category fairly closely for the last 10ish years (since Palmer Luckey and the very early Oculus stuff), I kinda had been losing my belief in the potential of the product category recently due to how it felt like it was stagnating. Progress on a hardware and software level seemed to have halted past occasional "woah look at this cool demo of something that is definitely totally doable with a real product"
The Vision Pro is enough of a jump on a hardware AND (notably) a software level that it reinvigorated my belief in the category again. I think we are likely still 5ish years away (I doubt we will get yearly generations, so I would say 2 generations) from it being attractive to the avg person on a cost level as well as hardware/software experience level. There is all kinds of minor nitpicks I could mention related to the VP, but I do believe it proves the concept for the potential of the category more than anything else has, and Apple is providing the kick in the butt that the category needed to jumpstart competition properly. I don't think this is quite an iPhone situation where everyone will have a "Vision" device by the end of the decade, but I do believe Apple is legitimizing the tech in a way that gives normal people the desire to use such devices such that it will soon be a very normal thing for people to be using this style of device. By the end of the decade I think people will look back at conversations happening TODAY and laugh at how many of us are talking about it.
Mihoyo is adapting most of there games to Vision pro and I think HSR has a Vision Pro prize raffle. So it is not a dummy thing I think mihoyo is really interested in AR.
That one guy who said how he changed when he got the Vision Pro (pinching the doorknob?) reminds me of what happened when I got my first cell phone over 15 years ago - it went from "unusual" to "natural" in a matter of a few days.
Yeah, the device has this weird way of lulling you into a new sense of it just being normal now to be able to put the thing on to watch something, or to jump on a call with my mom, or to be able to move computer windows around freely in space. To a degree where it can occasionally feel weirdly limiting that I cant just move my desktop monitor freely around the room.
While I'm watching this video, I accidentally swap on my macbook surface with my finger cause it looks like a track pad, but I'm using PC😂😂
Its nothing like a phone, phones have been a thing people have been using for nearly 150 years, they are useful things that people want, there is NOTHING unnatural about picking up a phone ! Stop trying to will VR face mufflers to be successful, by drawing disingenuous parallels with successful products !
@@rocketmunkey1Dude, easy there.
I dunno about you but I grew up with a phone being something that was in a static place all the time, not something you walked around with. It was a device where you went there rather than carry it in your pocket. I'm just saying it appears that the one guy had the same reaction to using the Apple Vision Pro that I did when I got my first cell phone, nothing more. This isn't a "will to be successful", this is a comparison of reactions to a product. Is there a problem with that?
@@MindstabThrullYeah because I hear this naff marketing spiel, trying to compare the vision pro to the iPhone / VR to phones all the time to try and brainwash people into wondering around with a face muffler on and its utter nonsense ! You felt strange holding a phone ? ridiculous straw grasping nonsense, the Apple marketing team must try harder !
Receding hairline long hair white dude, college kid from money, and VC startup bro are exactly who I'd expect to be buyers of this thing.
Those are the typical early adopters. Eventually in like ten years when the pricing has come down, the "normies" will start buying it.
@@2failepicThe normies are in VRChat hanging out with the furries doing ear tracking with $300 headsets.
The college kid FaceTimeing just to show off is killing me though, lmao
lol what does his physical traits have to do with it?
Good job doing an actually different video about the Vision Pro.
MA is such a calm channel to come back to. Especially with the influx of shouty videos all over YT
It's hard to watch anything Mac related without them getting on their knees, or the presenter (like Linus) is not a fan and can't really see past the downsides. Jonathan and that other red haired dude are a good balance.
True. Even some of the other LTT video's are a bit much with their presentation style being all a bit "RAAAAAHHHHHH". This is nice and chilled, informative and Jonathan Horst is great, easy to listen to and less shouty than some of the others.
Honestly MA becomes slowly the best part of LTT. I love the less but more quality content. Thank You Jonathan!
It is so refreshing to be able to recall all the things he talked about too, instead of all the information going straight into the trash. The quality certainly is here! Less is definitely more.
The quality of this channel always pleasantly surprises me
Miles ahead in terms of tone and pacing vs the main LTT channel. Never feels rushed or shouty
@@arun-544 they literally mean it to be that way. apple people like a different style of content than other folks. this caters directly to that style.
@@ghomerhust My only complaint is they don't upload enough! Would like to see these guys make more videos in general, even non-apple stuff
just need someone to admit they bought it for pr0n
The mixed reality too 😭
Except that's blocked apparently
@@shraf2kayif they do that, they’ll lose 95% of their sales.
On a device that is constantly tracking your hands? Seems unlikely.. .
@@Probosporone
There’s an accessibly setting which makes it track only one hand and not both.
10:13 not a cell phone in sight. just two gingers living in the moment.
It's been 2 months, and still waiting any new video from Mac Address. Anything will do, even just the comment on the iPad Pro release. Please . . . .
Why are there so few videos on this channel?
disposable income, probably 🤷♂️
For me, it's more that I treat money as transient in value. I only value it for the experiences it can offer me in life. So I try to be smart with my savings. In the case of the Vision Pro, I justify it by my passion and the fact that I should be able to get most of my money back when selling it lol.
tbh i feel like it could really improve my workflow. im sitting mainly on my PC all day for work and can see myself using this all the time. just sitting in one of these environments alone while doing work or smth feels like a huge upgrade. yes its expensive but then again considering what i paid for other computers, monitors and other work devices.
i actually wanted to get one of these 42" TVs as a monitor linus also got but i just dont have the space worries me. also its not portable and i expect to move a lot in the future. so u telling me i could get smth like that but bigger and portable? take my money
@@Solunerra Selling them must be a nightmare because of the size issue.
@@segiraldovi Based on my experience getting a different light seal at an Apple store, I suspect Apple will exchange to a different size. I was outside of when their policy says online for eligibility to swap a light seal for free and they did it no questions when I went to the store to try different sizes. All they checked in store was the serial number of the device, so I suspect their functional policy is to just swap it out as long as the device is in warranty. Kinda got a vibe of them just being nice to the early adopters though lol. Worst case scenario, its a $200 loss. Im not too concerned about the difference between getting $2500 or $2700 when I resell the thing in a few months.
They could dispose of that income in the direction of the less fortunate tho couldn't they, instead of being Glass holes with it.
My experience with the M3 Pro MacBook Pro was the same as that Ian guy. I showed up the the Apple store to pick it up... and there was no one there. Probably more people getting their iPhones fixed at the genius bar.
I think there are just less people with Macbooks in general, along with most Macbook users using their laptops for like 10 years before they get a new one. Makes the Macbook releases have less of a flood of people rushing in. There are a decent number of people that upgrade their iPhones often, but Ive never met someone that gets a new Mac every year or two. (Also just got an M3 Pro MBP, loving it, hope you're enjoying yours)
mac products are not really that awesome anymore honestly. Mostly the SW sucks and the fact that nothing is reparable and they do fail.
2 months in a row still no latest LMG's Mac Address video episode. :(
I think the persons thing would probably work a lot better if there was still that kind of scan from the headset but you could also get a more complete and accurate scan at an Apple Store or something
Was just wondering why this channel hasn’t got any updates.
Literally just crossed my mind
he broke his shoulder in march and is taking some time to recover!
@@kyodop that’s terrible
Jonathan is probably my favorite host at LMG
yeah, he's extremely good in front of the camera.
I think part of it is these videos just feel so much more professional.
*horst
Tried the Vision Pro last week and genuinely surprised at how quickly I went from like no way, to ah shit, can I find a reason to justify the investment? Being in the Apple ecosystem makes it so tempting. As a podcast engineer and editor, the thought of using protools inside this one day could be really fun and possibly even more productive than a keyboard and mouse. Imagine chopping audio tracks like you’re in fruit ninja!
Neat technology, as someone in the Apple ecosystem via my laptop, phone, and watch I'm interested in where it goes, but as it exists now, I just have no use for this, especially at that price point. Maybe when Apple Vision Air comes out. lol
I worked on the Vision Pro, but left Apple in 2021 so didn’t get to see anything close to a finished product. Would be cool to own something I worked on but not $3000 cool (I have an Apple friend willing to give me his 25% off discount). I can’t imagine I’d use it for anything other than watching RUclips, something I do just fine on a 7th Gen iPad.
Don't know what team you worked on, but Apple's ARKit/RealityKit team really dropped the ball. It can map a static mesh of a room… but that it? It can't track moving objects reliably, it can't recognize and classify objects (not full classification, but enough classification to know what apps have existing bindings to them), it can't understand IRL contextual objects or environments (the XR dream scenario I always give is you look outside your window up at the sky, and contextually it knows you want to see a weather widget overlaid on the sky showing current conditions and near-term forecast).
None of this is possible because visionOS doesn't really track or know anything other than a rough mesh of the exterior dimensions of physical spaces- technology Apple, Oculus, Lead, Zed, and many others have had nailed for close to a decade. So that leaves it to the developer to implement all of that with the caveat that it'll only work when the app is already open.
I think Apple's opened the door for some company like Unity or Unreal or Leap to build a smart API that can do all these things well, for all VR-passthrough/AR/XR platforms, and for astounding apps to come from innovative devs, yes on Vision Pro, but also available on every other platform, and honestly Vision Pro's version will be the most limited underwhelming version.
@@CapnSlipp lol you're venting to a former apple employee, like what can they even do about it? 😂😂😂
@@CapnSlippbro chill it ain't his fault lmao
@@CapnSlippif Apple has built Ferret and Apple Intelligence...do you you really think Vision Pro wont be able to do those things you said 2-5 years from now😂
Doesn't seem to do $3000 more things than Quest 3
Yes it can. It can empty your bank account faster
So basically no one with a real use case. I wonder how long it takes for when the ‘new’ wares off.
What problem does it solve? What benefit does it bring? What ergonomics does it improve on? What justifies this expense for anything other than entertainment?
Like Linus said on WAN, for people that don't have "downtime" what is the value? But maybe Apple's primary demographic is entertainment users.
It makes the best case for productivity in VR over anything meta has done but yeah it still isn’t anywhere near as flexible as a computer, the fact you can use it seamlessly in conjunction with your computer is neat though.
The Vision Pro, despite how powerful it is, isn’t well suited to vr gaming which is a shame because currently vr games are still by far the most compelling experiences in VR / AR
i don't think apple really knows what their demographic is- they're hoping to figure that out with this iteration i think.
@@hieronyma_I think they do know. Their demographic for this was people that have money and want to spend it on the “latest and greatest” tech. Like people that own super cars that aren’t street legal and never take them to the track other than maybe once in their lifetime for that singular experience and then to say they own it and it’s cool. They aren’t practical, comfortable, or anything but people still buy them even without utility. For this the price is SO high it keeps out your average consumer that would complain that you can’t really DO anything with it. Ironically people willing to shell out the cash for it don’t care that it doesn’t DO anything and are much less likely to complain. It’s that it’s cool and the best hardware and experience that exists even if that experience is very narrow and limited. Then Apple can learn and refine the product to a point that it makes more sense for your average consumer.
I find something similar in other lines of work. My higher paying clients often are the ones least likely to complain and the ones I can experiment a bit more with. My lower paying clients are generally more demanding and try to squeeze every bit of value out of each and every penny. They want me to do significantly more with significantly less.
With all that said, the marketing for the AVP as a “special computing” productivity device and many of the other claims are silly. Especially if you are familiar with the VR/XR space already.
Honestly I love it since it makes my productivity more fun. I get to engage my work in a very futuristic fashion and having a gadget on your head makes me less distracted but that might just be me
It's a fantastic productivity tool that would costs 1000s of dollars in physical screen otherwise… oh wait, no it isn't, because it only supports a single 4K display from a Mac. Apple couldn't figure out how to port their own foveated rendering technology to macOS so that only the screen you're looking at needs to be sent to the Vision Pro over the air at any reasonable bandwidth.
"Because they are Apple fanboys" is the answer outside of devs buying it.
I can afford it, but I am not desperate for what is practically a public beta product. We all know Apple is working on v2 for launch at the end of 2025. v3 or v4 is where you want to get in. Apple also needs to work on comfort the most, use lighter materials over aesthetics, resolve the FOV issues, it does look like you are looking through binoculars and all of Apple must be on board with native apps, not some departments releasing iPad apps and some native. The Finder desktop when connect the Mac needs to be decomposed in favor of a floating global menu bar and Dock with free floating Mac apps to make the experience worth while. In fact, this needs to be built in without the need to own a Mac. And finally, the battery life needs to be a minimum 8 hours and the price needs to come down to 1,799.
Honestly looking at all these comparisons makes me wanna go get a quest 3 and just avoid the avp
The Quest 3 is a much much better headset overall honestly for so many reasons.
I have Quest 2 and is the best $300 ever. My biggest complain is still the lack of softwares so I'm pretty sure Quest 3 isthe best you can spend around $500 to $600
most normal people would probably do well to wait for 2nd/3rd generation of apple vision pro
trust me you won't regret it! quest 3 is a bang for the buck
So basically it’s just “Cool” . It doesn’t change daily life with the exception of looking stupid in public. $4k is just stupid
that about sums up most technology
Basically we still don´t have a substitute for a pc or smartphone🤣, tech hardware companies are fckd .
So, what does the vision pro do that meta quest 3 doesn't for those use cases?
Use it to mirror mac screen seamlessly? Or overall integration. And it's more fair to compare this to Quest pro because of eye tracking
@vadnegru you can use Immersed VR for that. Using your pc/mac inside a VR headset is not new. I can't argue with the integration thing, but I would like to see features the Apple Vision Pro does that a Meta Quest 3 can't.
@@CanalNGP short answer, if you are in ecosystem, this is just another device that fits. If you're mostly pc/android guy, quest is way better option.
P.S maybe we will go back to 3D photography, since most of the phones already have 2+ cameras. AVP already caused that to appear on an iPhone and there are tools to view that photos on Quest.
I wish Horst could have been the first at LMG to try it a do a video on it. It's a shame to have to wait for almost a month and not even get his opinion on it.
Because your Apple Vision wasn't 20/20 when you bought it
explain the joke
@@SouthPokey He saw the big new shiny and clicked buy
No, it caught Covid
It isn't for me but I've heard some very happy people that own it.
M3 macbook air review?
Johnathan this is a really well done video! More content like this from MA would be great!
TBH I don't care about Apple products but I watch these videos because the presenter is so good and the format is very different from any other tech channels.
Do i have disposable income? Yes. Can i justify buying this? No.
From a productivity standpoint this this is useless to me. Even with a Macbook, company policy wouldnt let me connect my work account to this, leaving aside that it can only do 1 extended screen. Then there's the cost replacing peripherals such as my keyboard and mouse. The device is locked behind the walled garden so a lot of stuff i already own, bar my Air wouldnt work with this.
Dont get me wrong, i think is amazing as a product and no doubt people will find uses for it. But on the other side of the coin there are people like me who, even if they wanted to try it, the additional costs just add up and up and up.
if it worked properly with non apple stuff i could see it being a good choice if you are already looking at a new tv anyways.
if the new one is like half the price and still really good while also being able to plug it into my pc or non apple phone i would consider it instead of a 4k monitor which i would like to get soon.
I prefer the usual video format with more narration from, and video of Jonathan. I guess I prefer the guided content rather than watching interviews. Still good video tho
The drums starting at 9:48 are a big tone shift from MA's normal style.
I remember when this channel used to make videos; still waiting for Jonathan's take on the Vision Pro
"Saw a commercial for the ipod nano 6 when I was like 6 or 7 years old." My god mac address Make me feel older why don't cha?
right? my first ipod was the 1st gen nano and i was a senior in HS when it dropped x.x
@@lilmurloc I was a senior in high school when the iPod 1 dropped. I remember that the school bought a bucket of them for some reason and a few of the students ended up with them. At the time we had a class where students would work with the computer tech for the school doing repairs and so on. They all got one. I think it’s cause at the start on most machines iPods were just mountable storage and we could run around with the Mac’s images in our pockets.
So i'm guessing the production at the cafe didn't work out very well?
Gosh it should would be nice to be able to just on a whim purchase something like this like yeah why not. I think it definitely has a spot in the tech history of things like what comes next in Technologies history I think there is a place for it in a productivity sense. There is something that would be intuitive about sharing a file or idea in a work space and then being able to look over at it and then have others who are in the call or also in that environment working with you is able to look at it themselves in their Vision Pro and opening the app to be truly more work consumer friendly would actually make this technology a lot better and a lot quicker if that kind of idea was put forward.
That ian dude trying so hard to justify spending $3500. Facetiming for the price of a used civic 💀
‘We bought it because Apple Vision Sunglasses aren’t available yet” 😂
man its just another world where people can drop this money on this kind of thing
Disposable income
Also that guy definitely looks like he plays Genshin Sloppact and watches anime lmao
Genshin is a horribly flawed game that I actively heavily criticize. I honestly would not still be playing it if it were not for the fact that I happenstanced into making content for it. But hey at least Genshin is probably better than anything you will ever achieve in your life.
(yes I'm being an arse because apparently your hobby is being an arse on the internet, so an eye for an eye is fair I think)
@@Solunerrawhat do you mean? I’m sure he’s better off in life than you
@@simsimw the guy you replied to is the genshin guy from the video
@@Muhluri yeah I know… I don’t mean financially I mean socially
@@simsimw Just throwing an insult back, it means next to nothing other than Genshin Impact probably will have far more of an impact on people than anything they will do in life. Which means nothing since most people fall in that category when comparing the significance of your life to that of something affecting many people, myself included lol.
Ultimately, they ticked me off with their pointless insult that imo shows more about how they think and act than anything, so I threw a pointless insult back.
Man, even just you and your blue eyes and the contrast with the blue shirt, the entire scenery is so sanitized. You guys do a great job appleing the channel content I love it 😅🤣
4:33 this is the way to instantly kill your device, receiving sunlight directly into the lenses, magnifying lenses, that instantly burn the screens device
5:39 I had a similar experience when I played Half-Life: Alyx. I recall one time trying to use the gravity gloves to get my water bottle from across the room
I respect a reason like “I just love technology”.
nah, he's definitely going to use it for that r34 genshin stuff
How about ppl who aren’t verified or not content creators??
They're answering like their wife is confronting them when the sole reason is simply that they bought it for fun
That and they know if they speak too negatively, MA will just cut it out because this channel is primarily for Apple fans to justify things to themselves.
Of course I would also spend 3500$ on the headset just to play Genshin: I already spent twice as much on the game anyway 💀
“To play genshin” is the most soul crushing thing I’ve heard. $3500 to be a casual.
'twas mostly a joke justification lol
I mean, you can pay the same for a MacBook and not be able to play Genshin xddd
@@MrJudgi surely you can see how that’s preferable
Welcome back!
Wait, Journal app is on the iPhone but not on the iPad?
The only problem I have with the Vision Pro what is there to do on it? The only thing for me shows and movies because Apple I doubt the Apple is gonna go into VR gaming market , apart from that, it will be watching media but for that I had a pretty good TV and I don’t want something on my head. I want something to be comfortable and also it had a two hour battery .
I love my vision pro says the man having a conversation with Ear pods needlessly stuck in his ears ! 🙄
Jonathas, what was the case on the phone you were holding at 9:51 ?
Those genshin impact man caught me off guard lmao
Jonathan “I don’t think my haircut could possibly get any worse” Horst out here proving his nickname wrong.
RIP Mac Address
wait...their personas on facetime are actually look really good?!
the answer, I'm rich and I can.
I'm sorry... that's the only thing I can think of. I'm amazed... but hey it's not my money. thanks for showing this John.
I’d love to own one just to share the experience with others. I had my eye on Oculus DK1 for YEARS but couldn’t justify it. It was clunky and inconvenient as were most headsets for a while. When the Oculus Go came out I immediately bought one and shared it with so many people. Specifically sitting in a theater and watching a movie. It was easy to demonstrate, impress, and not cause motion sickness from the lack of 6DOF. That then inspired my brother to buy a quest when it first released. Now in my family I believe we have at least 10 different VR headsets. Like 1-2 per household. It is a tech that when experienced, then priced right with enough things to do WITH other people it becomes a much easier sell. And that last social part I think is key to mass adoption.
Isn’t Linus going to do a full review of the Vision Pro?
LTT is too cheap to get a Vision Pro it seems. He tried it for the first time when the long haired guy brought it.
The day I was there for the interview I believe Linus was finishing recording his review. I imagine it will be coming soon.
There's a review on techlink
@@tianlechenWhat channel have you been watching?
@@tianlechen next shadow ban candidate 😄
Bought a Vision Pro. I bought it because I've always been enthusiastic about XR, and I instantly knew it had great bones because the spatial audio on the thing is phenomenal. Even small movements of the sound source can be felt, and I felt that with everything else like great hand tracking, video resolution, etc, I felt like the potential that it will be great is huge.
Except Vision Pro isn't AR/XR- there's little to no integration of IRL object tracking and correlation with virtual visuals. It's VR + a passthrough camera backdrop.
Granny thought it was $2-3,000 which is surprisingly close. Her guess impressed me.
What is the name of the microphone from the thumbnail?
i cant believe this channel is an LTT channel. The production is miles better than even the main channel. The host and the crew deserve to make their own channel with this level of production and content.
This channel is amazing
Well speaking for myself and with all the rumors and us knowing the price of the AVP a good 6-12 months before it was released, I saved up for it. Still not easy dropping 4 grand on it though!
”I mostly use it to watch anime on a 50 inch screen instead of my small Iphone screen..."
My man, do you have any idea how big of a TV you can get for that amount of money ??
He couldn't bring that TV outside as shown in the video. Although a tablet or larger phone would probably be more convenient than Apple Vision for that use case (cheaper too).
The argument was for being able to move it around. You can't move that TV around.
Mac Adress Don’t let us go don’t let us go Linus dont let us go
7:12 personas with AI in the future will look way much more. Esp now it's much better vs when just released. Hope we can have options in personas if with glasses or what clothes etc. This will encourage more facetime as you wont be embarassed on how you currently look
Is Mac Address on vacation? Why no new content?
he was fired and the department closed down a month ago, something something inflation and high wages
Horst is recovering from a motorcycle accident, check his latest Tweet
@@TheCreator919 lol no
@@TheCreator919 me when i spread misinformation on the internet:
Wow, this was one of the most enjoyable and original Vision Pro vids I've see yet -thanks and congrats!
I thought the guy on the thumbnail was bald
Sorry but i though you were goint to talk to ´normal´people, off course everyone already knows tech bros,tech/vr/ar enthusiasts and people working the industry will buy one but beond that i see no potentials buyers and that is the awnser i was looking for, sorry.
I think XR is the future of computing, but the reason i wasn't compelled to get the Vision Pro is because it can't replace my computer. If it could run pro apps like Final Cut and Logic, etc I would sell my macbook pro and get the Vision; but it's just an ipad on your face right now. Even though VR is my FAVORITE technology, the vision doesn't earn the "pro" name IMO
I've been into VR for nearly 8yrs now, and I can tell you now, there is no way this will take off until they can make the VR/AR headset the size and weight of an industry pair of clear light weight safety glasses, and even those, people get annoyed wearing for any length of time, heat, face pressure, face wrinkle and a bunch of other things will stop any normal person from wearing these any longer than 30 to 45mins, not to mention, allowing these hostile multinational companies control even more of what you do, see and have access too.
“It’s the best vr headset you can buy right now”
From a technical level, yes but in terms of content and experiences, it’s pretty abysmal. Apple seems so afraid of truly being a platform for games, but games are still the most compelling and novel VR experiences so making their VR headset that de-emphasizes games and even makes them harder to develop/design due to the limited input methods. Hand tracking is nice for interfaces but not for 99.9% of games.
I get why they don’t want controllers, the idea of that is very un-apple, for the same reason Steve Jobs wanted the iPhone to be capacitive touch and not include a stylus in the original iPhone. But with a touch screen you can do everything you’d want to do on a phone, with motion gestures and eye tracking, you are heavily limited in what you can do.
They should have included controllers only for use with games. Seems like Apple helped the Meta share price and not much else.
I bought a Vision Pro because of the cute dinosaur
None of the people interviewed are good examples. They are all connected to the product itself. As such, it's not a good sample for the premise outlined in the intro. (not saying it's a bad video just... not good)
I'm pretty sure it will sell at least 500,000 units. With a return rate of 2%
Interviewing people who ain't gonna buy it don't make for a good video.
Thought the same thing.
Justifying the purchase feels a little cringy
I think for the next product it should have a "projector type" connection, or built in, but it will be heavier. Lets say a small projector like the freestyle from Samsung, and you can quickly share what are you seeing for some people around you
This was one of my favorite videos on the VPs. Good perspective
Didn't this channel used to shoot in 30fps? Or 24fps?
The only way headsets will ever become mainstream is if they can eventally make them like the glasses in the Kingsman movies
wait why was this the first time you tried the thing?
even if lmg couldn't get sent a review unit they should still be able to afford a pre order unit right?
this channel honestly has quality level leagues ahead of the company's main operation and it's not even getting enough support it seems
Another banger of a video from Mac Address. Great work!
I got a quest 3 coz of all this hype apple created around vr.... I'm happy with my purchase.... watching movies in a theatre is awesome! and using it for a screen to your Mac is good too!!!
If you use it to watch a huge screen, return it and use a quest 3.
From the thumbnail I’m going to assume it was to distract people from his hair.
I found that very interesting. I remember watching an interview with Steve Jobs early in the iPod days, where he said that he was convinced that the iPod would convert users to Apple. He had to explain to the aghast interviewer that it wasn’t that he thought they’d have to buy a Mac to interface with it but he was convinced that the user interface with it was so different from other tech products, that users would gravitate to future Apple products to get the same experience. I was very sceptical at the time, so it was interesting to see that two of your interviewees proved that Steve Jobs was correct.
Before this video starts I want to mention I’ll also be watching Adam Savage’s 2-hour review after this, along with others. I hope to learn as much as possible, and I’ll ask questions at the end.
Because they can return it in 14 days for a full refund, not bad 14 days for free, then Apple sell it as refurbished 😂😂😂😂
>> didn't force everyone to talk with googley eyes
Bought it, returned it. After using it, I saw that hologram tech would definitely be better, hopefully companies make a push towards that.
" hologram tech would definitely be better" - oh? Do you know what _exactly_ is a _hologram_ ?
@@TheDanEdwards nope