Im not an apple guy, so I dont usually watch Mac Adress much. But I really appreciate that LMG put this video on ice, as long as you where recovering and let you finish this project without dropping you, the channel, or just this video. Happy to see you back.
@@Daniel-dj7fh his affiliation with Framework. He promises to disclose it every time LTT reviewed a laptop, a pledge he dropped literally after 2 reviews never to be seen again.
So glad to see you're ok, Jonathan. Glad to see you back at it. I absolutely love the cinematography on this channel. It sets it apart from the regular LTT videos.
I tried the Vision Pro in the store. It was like a roller coaster: I had a lot of fun, was very impressed, but was a little sore after and was glad to be back to reality again. You're absolutely right saying there is nothing to do (at least after the demo). On motorcycling Glad you're okay and that you were wearing a helmet. I've been riding with an airbag vest for a while now. Might be worth it if you plan to keep riding. Stay safe and feel better.
Tried it as well (as a Quest 3 owner) and the fact that it is trying to be a half arsed PC really makes it useless. Apple VR would make more sense if I could use it wirelessly on my mac and use it as a larger display. EDIT: I meant to say: "wish I could use it wirelessly with all my devices, or wired with let's say a PS5.
@@PortfolioPLyou can use the Vision Pro with your Mac as if it were your monitor. You may need a real monitor, at least for initial setup. The connection has been reportedly hit or miss.
10:58 to answer your question ... I do have a Vision Pro and the simple answer is ... I don't really use it. Did some development on it when I first got it but found its APIs limiting... It sits in my closet now waiting for a bored weekend when I'll watch 20 minutes of AppleTV on there before ditching it and going to my 4K monitors. This thing is a novelty to a degree I did not expect. I think its weight and comfort are hands down the biggest problem for it. Every time I think "ooo I'll go do X on my AVO" I instantly think about how uncomfortable it is and just ditch the idea.
1:22 the mom playing with her son without any tech while you are showing this headset, it's the most beautiful moment every! I hope that kid doesn't grow with a vision headset, but with the memories of his loving mother in reality
I have an educational software suite that is mostly used with iPads and computers. I prototyped a VR version during COVID, but what I found was that the users who saw the most benefits from VR learning grew out of it quickly and then moved to 2D. I love the idea of the Vision Pro, but I just don't know what to do with it yet.
One of the biggest issues with VR in an educational/ institutional training setting is the issue of glasses, as Jonathan touched on. It’s not reasonably affordable to have custom prescriptions inserts for every user, especially since those would need to be updated annually and would likely quickly get lost or damaged. A 2D screen, even if it potentially offers a far inferior experience for a simulated training environment vs VR, is likely going to be the preferred option for years to come.
i still havent seen any VR learning app that either cant compete with a youtube video, or is done in way that it seems amazing, but you learn kinda slower(kinda like reading a book vs listening an audiobook)
Welcome back!!! Glad to see you're recovering well. I do have a Vision Pro (I splurged on one as a graduation gift for myself because I've always wanted a piece of first-gen technology) and I love it, actually! I don't use it every day but I do love using it for work. I'm easily distracted in my newsroom so it helps to be able to just turn a dial and be in an isolated space where I can focus on what I need to do. It's also great for music, for RUclips of course, and just generally not feeling like I'm trapped in a dorm room.
I hope you were not wearing the Vision Pro while riding your motorbike for some crazy video test! Joke aside, I wish you a speedy recovery and total health. Your content is a very refreshing outlook on Apple tech. Bless you, little one.
Siiighh this was a great and precise review. Personally I love my AVP, you’re not wrong when you mention its role as a consumption device. Listening to music, web browsing, video watching. All of which I thoroughly enjoy doing in headset. I think the big deal for me is that this headset has been habit forming all these months later I use it nearly just as much as day one. That’s a lot better than my Quest devices which at best devolved to Beat Saber machine come month 3. Glad to have you back!!!
@@iAmAsar yea, 500$ for 128 gig storage, good enuf passthru, 1:30 battery life using AR, (more if you use an external battery,) and actual things to use it for. compare that to the vision pro at 3500$ for 256gig, 2 hour battery life (external battery required), and no real apps for it. basically, while the quest 3 is a little worse than the vision pro, it is not worse enuf to justify the price diference, and the quest is also better in quite a few ways Edit: price wrong, thought price was around 2700$, even worse than i thought Edit 2: the acsidentil 1:30 time stamp shows my thoughts on this
@@craigmccune6066 I get 6 hours of gaming with a aftermarket head strap with a build in battery and with that its still light and comfy enough that I can play for those 6 hours straight
There being "nothing to do" is the same reason my Meta Quest 2 has been hanging on my wall for these past 2 years. VR and AR are such ridiculously cool technology that people have done the bare minimum amount of app development for. There's also just like no creativity in most games and apps because they're mostly clones of each other
I think everyone is kind of waiting on the hardware to get to a magical point when everyone will want to experience VR. Right now it is still a cool toy for enthusiasts to dream what it will be like when it really gets good.
Basically yeah. Even regular screens for nonvr (Monitors, TVs, phone screens) basically do nothing that impressive or really useful just let you see stuff or interact for touchable ones. Its difficult to really have 'that wow' factor, for instance Spatiallabs, LookingGlassFactory, Leia Inc, among others do glasses free 3D displays but, some divide exists that prevents a few of those from 'just working' similar to issues with their prices especially for companies like Tilt5's 3D thing using a wand... that accelerates beyond even being reasonable after a few more kits of glasses for multiplayer... even weirder Tilt5 could solve that multiplayer price issue 'simply' by using LookingGlassFactory's many multi-angles at once display approach... yes its still high but plateaus quicker.
Hand tracking is just as 'eugh' in different contexts. My hands don't have force feedback motors or buttons. The tactile experience is very limiting with only using your finger pads.
Glad that you’re back and healthy! Did at one stage question the lack of new videos but all makes sense now. Cheers to more content from my favourite Apple-centric channel
I do wish this had a catch up segment after the main video, especially as the Meta Quest 3 is thinning out reasons to specifically go for the Vision Pro, outside of pricing and hardware differences. But its totally understandable due to injury and needing to be keeping up with RUclips's algorithm.
Glad to have you back, Jonathan! I’m just here to say I’m very inspired by your filmmaking style. It’s very unique and the scenery elevates it from other, “sit/stand in a room and talk about a thing” reviews.
Your points about Mac OS and the locked down nature of it are insightful. As a Valve Index owner I have enjoyed the freedom of modifying it how I want and using the excellent controllers. If I got a Vision Pro I would want to use it in that way. Hopefully when they inevitably make another headset they take a more wide, useful approach like Mac OS. Maybe they will go the Bigscreen Beyond route and make it the lightweight VR goggles form factor, rather than the VR/AR headset form factor they went currently.
I bought a Meta Quest 3 instead after the AVP came out and no issues! is awesome to use it as a computer with the brower.... or a desktop monitor for my iPad and Mac using Immersed app... or Skybox VR to watch my video files!!! is awesome and the FOV is better than the junk AVP!
You're much better off getting a full PCVR setup for the price, at least then you'll have VR games to play and can still use the PC for many other things.
@@papajekket A 50-100$ wifi router can run airlink at full speed with like 10ms latency (not even noticeable). Im playing games with that kind of setup and I'm never going back to cable
I’m glad you’re back on the channel (didn’t want to say on the road). Naturally we missed you terribly, but here we are, enjoying some more of Jonathan and a quality video.
Glad you're back! I love the detail that you use an aspect ratio in your videos that doesn't interfere with the dynamic island / notch compared to LTT videos!
I was wondering why I hadn't seen a video for a while... Sorry to hear it was because of injury, but I'm just as glad to hear you're recovering well! As for the Vision Pro, the look you have when taking it off at about the halfway point is very telling about the experience of wearing one. And the lack of things to do with it is also a massive weakness. Even if I had the disposable income to buy one, I probably wouldn't because it's just... an expensive paper weight right now.
Meta is opening up Horizon OS to third-party hardware developers. Sony is releasing a PC adapter for PSVR2. VR is at a turning point, it's going to become much more open and accessible. if Apple is going to continue to keep the Vision Pro locked down with nothing to do in it, they will be dead in the water. there is plenty of competition elsewhere already.
I tried one at the store last week and had the same experience. I felt the only real use that was compelling was taking video and photos you can later watch and experience through the headset. But I also felt those photos and videos would acquire most of their impact after many years (eg: viewing a video of your child when they were smaller or a video of a deceased loved one). And at that point, I imagine the relatively low quality and friction in how to let others experience the same photos/video may be distracting or impossible to overcome.
Welcome back and glad you’re okay! Just wanted to say I appreciate how you go over things Apple. You don’t fan over the products and the company. You take a stance that feels honest and real.
All the best on your recovery, bike accidents hurt. Took me a year to walk again after one. Hope your body heals up great. Really want Vision Pro to work and replace my monitors at work with virtual more flexible ones but weight and comfort are going to be a big issue. Some of the Ar glasses look promising from a weight/comfort but need a lot of work on software.
That’s crazy! A year to get back to walking sounds brutal. I’m healing alright, in the final stage where things are like 95% and I’m not sure if we’ll make the last 5%. Yeah the weight is a shame.
Welcome back my good man! As a fellow motorcycle accident (actually MANY accidents...sigh...) survivor, I wish you a fast recovery. Always great to see your take on Apples latest "great NEW innovation" 😁
Wasn't sure I'd ever bother with Mac Address when it first started. While I had bought Apple products in the past (several iPods and a mac mini that ran my Plex library for years) I wasn't overly interested in their products. But the channel has really grown on me. I love the way Jonathan presents the videos. They unique flavour they have compared to the other LMG channels. And the fact that it addresses both sides of the coin when reviewing anything. It's not all praise or all critique. It's balanced and informative. Here is a cool thing, here is what you can do with it and here is what you can't. And here is why that's good and bad. Great work. Glad I subbed to this channel as well these days.
Glad to have you back Jonathan, if I must say, I think the experience of the Vision Pro would be a lot more fun if it came with a glove-like accessory to give our hands a nice feedback when using it
I'm glad you're ok Jonathan. I'm not an Apple guy but always appreciate tech videos and your different take on things. I believe if you can't consider alternatives or opposing arguments then you don't have a leg to stand on, so I thank you for providing that different perspective for me.
I'm waiting for generation 3 when they'll finally give it controllers and generation 9 when they allow it to attach to a computer by cable. Maybe by that point it'll have games?
If I had an Apple Vision Pro ? I would sell it and buy a Valve Index headset and a gaming PC so I can actually do things in VR. Then buy my family presents with the money left over.
i would instead buy a quest 3 but i already own one so i would instead sell it for a better pc then my 3060 laptop since a quest 3 can do both vr gaming and Mixed Reality and i like Mixed Reality/Augmented Reality!
@@zachzimmermann5209 yeah, Index is now 5 year old. Quest 3 works better for PCVR and it can do standalone as well. Maybe the PSVR is better for PC as it has OLED screens...
Sorry to hear about the accident, but glad to hear you're recovering well! Shout out to the safety gear for doing its job 🙌 It also had the interesting unintended consequence of actually being able to look back at this device after the majority of the hype has died down. Makes for a fresh perspective!
Few notes from using the Vision Pro for a month: - Totally agree on the "nothing to do in here" part, my main use case is Mac virtual display and that can also be solved with larger external displays unless I'm traveling - I've actually gotten pretty fast with the virtual keyboard. - With the dual loop head band and some training, I'm comfortable wearing the thing for hours at a time. - Agreed on the issue with not enough space, though it's somewhat improved by setting the scaling to small. - Spatial FaceTime is pretty cool, it really feels like I'm in the same space as the other person. - I wish it had more real world applications, like AR pedestrian navigation, visual lookup, translation, etc.
Glad to see you're doing okay. A message to the editor, can you bring back the cool "MA" transition where Jonathan will move away and the MA logo appears behind him? Always thought that was a nice touch.
Glad to see you're back and doing well. Was wondering why there's been a gap lately just thought it was RUclips being weird and hadn't wandered over to see what was going on. In someways it seems very fitting because your circumstances near the circumstances of the Apple Vision Pro very well. I have no idea what I would use it for a big virtual control interface would be fun for audio mixers but in a life setting I don't know if that would work and I don't know how well it would support multitouch. The biggest limitation that would be it's limited to iPad apps and the desktop apps for some of these a lot better and more expendable. Beyond that the virtual desktop thing but I don't know how well that would work in bed waving my arms around but it does seem like it would be a good way to work on stuff without having to sit at a desk. Which is comes back to content consumption we keep creating content consumption devices and nothing for content creation and then we keep limiting what is capable on the desktop environments. I have an updated Mac OS X from 12.7.5 and I do computer support for other folks and I'm looking at the disaster that it's turning into. Just try and find anything in settings which used to be system preferences which used to be laid out in a somewhat reasonable manner it just keeps getting rampaged in with the last update to make it iPhone like it's a mess. I bought a framework and I'm planning to Daily Linux on it, I just have to get used to a few things first and find a good bag to put it in. If only the LTT backpack had D-Ring Hooks near the bottom so I could clip on a waist strap.
I love how the choice to film this portal to scenic virtual worlds was shot in scenic real life settings; it emphasizes a kind of isolation intrinsic to VR tech in the present day. So many other channels demonstrated it in a city, seeing it in nature was impactful for how much it divided people from the world-- especially of its not providing people many things to do, or people to connect to inside it's virtual world.
We like filming outside the office if we can, and White Rock is pretty close. But on set, I did get a kick of spinning the dial from the beach to Apple’s Environment. Was pretty funny.
I don't have a use case for the vision pro yet. It reminds me of the early versions of the newton: they're on to something, but the engineering hasn't caught up to the vision.
I tried one at a friend’s house and it’s exactly as you say. The 3D environments are beautiful, but there’s not much more that I can do with the Vision Pro than I could do with an iPad and Laptop. The one scenario I’d see value out of it is if I was living a large shared dorm room or often in a location working like an air plane and needed a way to escape to serenity. But if I’m in those kinds of scenarios, there’s likely better solutions for $3,500
When i heard it was for "AR" as in it wont be for gaming, i knew they made a mistake. anyone whos tried VR knows the best experience you have with em are IN games. and VR generally isnt comfortable. its kinda tiring and uncomfortable to wear. so going the AR route is kinda nonsensical. especially for work. Cause you cant work faster or more efficient with VR headsets. the only thing it does is cause issues. doesnt matter what headset it is
Welcome back. I'd say "break a leg", but I'm guessing you're way ahead of me.
More like a toe... and rib... and shoulder...
@@macaddresshappy to hear you’re okay!
@@macaddressTim Cook needed those in repayment for getting the Vision Pro out of the USA early
@@macaddresshead…shoulders…knees…and toes
@@quadsnipershot That kids' song?
Missed this channel. Hope you recover well johnathan
Im not an apple guy, so I dont usually watch Mac Adress much. But I really appreciate that LMG put this video on ice, as long as you where recovering and let you finish this project without dropping you, the channel, or just this video.
Happy to see you back.
Lying Linus generally doesn't intervene in the decision making of the secondary channels, it's up to the directors of each channel to
@@supermaster2012 He could still drop the channel if he wanted to (presumably) tho
@@Daniel-dj7fh Linus is a liar, not an idiot. The channel makes money.
@@supermaster2012 What is he lying about?
@@Daniel-dj7fh his affiliation with Framework. He promises to disclose it every time LTT reviewed a laptop, a pledge he dropped literally after 2 reviews never to be seen again.
You didn't directly SAY you crashed because you were trying to ride with the vision pro on, but we can read between the lines.
He said he crashed while in the middle of making the video. Seems pretty obvious to me.
So glad to see you're ok, Jonathan. Glad to see you back at it. I absolutely love the cinematography on this channel. It sets it apart from the regular LTT videos.
How suspicious, Gordon Ramsay also had a motorcycle accident, has anyone seen these two together in the same room? I think not.
At least they were both wearing a helmet!
Ramsay was on a bicycle
that roblox guy that hates furros also had a motorcycle accidente
Ruben, right?@@Alfenium
I also had an accident last month 🤔
I tried the Vision Pro in the store. It was like a roller coaster: I had a lot of fun, was very impressed, but was a little sore after and was glad to be back to reality again. You're absolutely right saying there is nothing to do (at least after the demo).
On motorcycling
Glad you're okay and that you were wearing a helmet. I've been riding with an airbag vest for a while now. Might be worth it if you plan to keep riding. Stay safe and feel better.
Tried it as well (as a Quest 3 owner) and the fact that it is trying to be a half arsed PC really makes it useless. Apple VR would make more sense if I could use it wirelessly on my mac and use it as a larger display. EDIT: I meant to say: "wish I could use it wirelessly with all my devices, or wired with let's say a PS5.
@@PortfolioPLyou can use the Vision Pro with your Mac as if it were your monitor. You may need a real monitor, at least for initial setup. The connection has been reportedly hit or miss.
@@PortfolioPL That's pretty much the primary use of it..?
@@Riko_KP Yeah, I meant to say with everything else.
10:58 to answer your question ... I do have a Vision Pro and the simple answer is ... I don't really use it. Did some development on it when I first got it but found its APIs limiting... It sits in my closet now waiting for a bored weekend when I'll watch 20 minutes of AppleTV on there before ditching it and going to my 4K monitors. This thing is a novelty to a degree I did not expect. I think its weight and comfort are hands down the biggest problem for it. Every time I think "ooo I'll go do X on my AVO" I instantly think about how uncomfortable it is and just ditch the idea.
1:22 the mom playing with her son without any tech while you are showing this headset, it's the most beautiful moment every! I hope that kid doesn't grow with a vision headset, but with the memories of his loving mother in reality
I am not a fan of Jonathan getting screwed like that…I’m here all week, and please try the fish
Welcome back. Your the best addition to LMG since Ive been here (2018)
I have an educational software suite that is mostly used with iPads and computers. I prototyped a VR version during COVID, but what I found was that the users who saw the most benefits from VR learning grew out of it quickly and then moved to 2D. I love the idea of the Vision Pro, but I just don't know what to do with it yet.
One of the biggest issues with VR in an educational/ institutional training setting is the issue of glasses, as Jonathan touched on. It’s not reasonably affordable to have custom prescriptions inserts for every user, especially since those would need to be updated annually and would likely quickly get lost or damaged.
A 2D screen, even if it potentially offers a far inferior experience for a simulated training environment vs VR, is likely going to be the preferred option for years to come.
i still havent seen any VR learning app that either cant compete with a youtube video, or is done in way that it seems amazing, but you learn kinda slower(kinda like reading a book vs listening an audiobook)
Glad to see that your ok Jonathan
passthrough on quest 3 has had an update that DRASTICALLY improves the warping
2:56 Q3 got an update fixing the warping issue a week ago (v66)
Glad you're doing better. Missed the beautiful outdoors shots.
Welcome back!!! Glad to see you're recovering well.
I do have a Vision Pro (I splurged on one as a graduation gift for myself because I've always wanted a piece of first-gen technology) and I love it, actually! I don't use it every day but I do love using it for work. I'm easily distracted in my newsroom so it helps to be able to just turn a dial and be in an isolated space where I can focus on what I need to do. It's also great for music, for RUclips of course, and just generally not feeling like I'm trapped in a dorm room.
Mac Address videos are just in another level
I hope you were not wearing the Vision Pro while riding your motorbike for some crazy video test! Joke aside, I wish you a speedy recovery and total health. Your content is a very refreshing outlook on Apple tech. Bless you, little one.
Siiighh this was a great and precise review. Personally I love my AVP, you’re not wrong when you mention its role as a consumption device. Listening to music, web browsing, video watching. All of which I thoroughly enjoy doing in headset. I think the big deal for me is that this headset has been habit forming all these months later I use it nearly just as much as day one. That’s a lot better than my Quest devices which at best devolved to Beat Saber machine come month 3. Glad to have you back!!!
The warping on the Quest 3 doesn’t look that bad as of today. The updates that Meta has been pushing are making the product visibly better.
Especially for the price comparison 🤯
@@iAmAsar yea, 500$ for 128 gig storage, good enuf passthru, 1:30 battery life using AR, (more if you use an external battery,) and actual things to use it for. compare that to the vision pro at 3500$ for 256gig, 2 hour battery life (external battery required), and no real apps for it.
basically, while the quest 3 is a little worse than the vision pro, it is not worse enuf to justify the price diference, and the quest is also better in quite a few ways
Edit: price wrong, thought price was around 2700$, even worse than i thought
Edit 2: the acsidentil 1:30 time stamp shows my thoughts on this
@@craigmccune6066 I get 6 hours of gaming with a aftermarket head strap with a build in battery and with that its still light and comfy enough that I can play for those 6 hours straight
I am glad to hear you are recovering from your injuries. Sounds painful. I am glad you are well enough to be back.
There being "nothing to do" is the same reason my Meta Quest 2 has been hanging on my wall for these past 2 years. VR and AR are such ridiculously cool technology that people have done the bare minimum amount of app development for. There's also just like no creativity in most games and apps because they're mostly clones of each other
I think everyone is kind of waiting on the hardware to get to a magical point when everyone will want to experience VR. Right now it is still a cool toy for enthusiasts to dream what it will be like when it really gets good.
Yeah, there is kind of a point where you hit "okay, I've done basically everything I want to do"
barrier to entry is too high on both sides of the isle. I have a feeling this goes the way of 3D TVs
Basically yeah. Even regular screens for nonvr (Monitors, TVs, phone screens) basically do nothing that impressive or really useful just let you see stuff or interact for touchable ones.
Its difficult to really have 'that wow' factor, for instance Spatiallabs, LookingGlassFactory, Leia Inc, among others do glasses free 3D displays but, some divide exists that prevents a few of those from 'just working' similar to issues with their prices especially for companies like Tilt5's 3D thing using a wand... that accelerates beyond even being reasonable after a few more kits of glasses for multiplayer... even weirder Tilt5 could solve that multiplayer price issue 'simply' by using LookingGlassFactory's many multi-angles at once display approach... yes its still high but plateaus quicker.
At least the quest has games to play.
Glad to hear you're alright, and glad that you're alright. I was just thinking about how this channel hasn't had any new videos lately.
9:53 that transition is just 👌*chef's kiss*
So glad to have you back and glad your injuries weren’t too severe. Motorcycle accident sounds terrifying
"Controllers? Eugh!" might be the most Apple Fan thing I've heard yet. Welcome back, Jonathan. Glad you're doing better!
Hand tracking is just as 'eugh' in different contexts. My hands don't have force feedback motors or buttons. The tactile experience is very limiting with only using your finger pads.
Funny how watching someone plucking at the air is infinitely more lame than a couple of floating controllers like the knuckles.
It’s a reference to Steve Jobs saying “Stylus? Yuck!” at the iPhone launch
@@macaddressit's crazy how his vision for apple and his presenting style still impacts the ethos of the company
@@ImTotallyTechyIt's a rare case where the founders vision was so strong that even them dying doesn't stop his company following it.
Glad that you’re back and healthy! Did at one stage question the lack of new videos but all makes sense now. Cheers to more content from my favourite Apple-centric channel
I do wish this had a catch up segment after the main video, especially as the Meta Quest 3 is thinning out reasons to specifically go for the Vision Pro, outside of pricing and hardware differences. But its totally understandable due to injury and needing to be keeping up with RUclips's algorithm.
Welcome back and glad to hear you are in good health following the accident! Super missed this channel and your type of writing and presentation.
Passthrough warping on the quest has actually been fixed on V66
Glad you’re ok bro. I love this channel!
I am glas you are recovering well. Missed this channel and miss you making appearances on other LLT channels, welcome back Jonathan!
Glad to have you back, Jonathan! I’m just here to say I’m very inspired by your filmmaking style. It’s very unique and the scenery elevates it from other, “sit/stand in a room and talk about a thing” reviews.
It’s also more fun to do!
Glad youre ok, missed the content, im happy its back!
Your points about Mac OS and the locked down nature of it are insightful.
As a Valve Index owner I have enjoyed the freedom of modifying it how I want and using the excellent controllers. If I got a Vision Pro I would want to use it in that way.
Hopefully when they inevitably make another headset they take a more wide, useful approach like Mac OS.
Maybe they will go the Bigscreen Beyond route and make it the lightweight VR goggles form factor, rather than the VR/AR headset form factor they went currently.
Welcome back and hope your recovery has been good!
Glad to see you recovered well, Jonathan.
I am not an Apple fan for several reasons, but your videos are always so nice to watch!
I bought a Meta Quest 3 instead after the AVP came out and no issues! is awesome to use it as a computer with the brower.... or a desktop monitor for my iPad and Mac using Immersed app... or Skybox VR to watch my video files!!! is awesome and the FOV is better than the junk AVP!
You're much better off getting a full PCVR setup for the price, at least then you'll have VR games to play and can still use the PC for many other things.
Like a meta quest 3 or 3 and connected to the cable
But it won't have an Apple logo, so you won't look as cool!
@@JeskidoYTStop using a cable. WiFI 6/6E AirLink is better in every single way.
@@Cooe. no packet drops or latency issues with a cable
@@papajekket A 50-100$ wifi router can run airlink at full speed with like 10ms latency (not even noticeable). Im playing games with that kind of setup and I'm never going back to cable
I’m glad you’re back on the channel (didn’t want to say on the road).
Naturally we missed you terribly, but here we are, enjoying some more of Jonathan and a quality video.
Glad you're back! I love the detail that you use an aspect ratio in your videos that doesn't interfere with the dynamic island / notch compared to LTT videos!
You noticed! 😃
All the best for your recovery. I had a crash over a year ago and I’m still on the mend. I hope it hasn’t stopped you riding.
I'm very glad to have you back. I have missed you and hope for your full and swift recovery. Take the time you need to rest and regain your strength.
I was wondering why I hadn't seen a video for a while... Sorry to hear it was because of injury, but I'm just as glad to hear you're recovering well!
As for the Vision Pro, the look you have when taking it off at about the halfway point is very telling about the experience of wearing one. And the lack of things to do with it is also a massive weakness. Even if I had the disposable income to buy one, I probably wouldn't because it's just... an expensive paper weight right now.
Meta is opening up Horizon OS to third-party hardware developers. Sony is releasing a PC adapter for PSVR2. VR is at a turning point, it's going to become much more open and accessible. if Apple is going to continue to keep the Vision Pro locked down with nothing to do in it, they will be dead in the water. there is plenty of competition elsewhere already.
Oh man, sorry to hear about your crash! Hope you are feeling better and can get back on the bike soon!
Sorry you got into an accident but happy to see a fellow rider, on a sport bike no less. Hope you keep riding and stay safe
I tried one at the store last week and had the same experience. I felt the only real use that was compelling was taking video and photos you can later watch and experience through the headset. But I also felt those photos and videos would acquire most of their impact after many years (eg: viewing a video of your child when they were smaller or a video of a deceased loved one). And at that point, I imagine the relatively low quality and friction in how to let others experience the same photos/video may be distracting or impossible to overcome.
Welcome back and I hope you feel better. Love the videos!
Good to hear that you are doing better again. I hope you make a full recovery and don’t have any lasting problems with your shoulder!
Welcome back and glad you’re okay! Just wanted to say I appreciate how you go over things Apple. You don’t fan over the products and the company. You take a stance that feels honest and real.
Man, sorry to hear about the bike accident, but glad you’re recovering and welcome back.
Nice video and thanks for sharing the personal info about your absence! It's great to see you back.
Welcome back! ‘Nothing to do” perfectly sums up VR.
Welcome back Jonathan! Great to see you on the channel. Hope your recovery goes smoothly.
All the best on your recovery, bike accidents hurt. Took me a year to walk again after one. Hope your body heals up great.
Really want Vision Pro to work and replace my monitors at work with virtual more flexible ones but weight and comfort are going to be a big issue. Some of the Ar glasses look promising from a weight/comfort but need a lot of work on software.
That’s crazy! A year to get back to walking sounds brutal. I’m healing alright, in the final stage where things are like 95% and I’m not sure if we’ll make the last 5%.
Yeah the weight is a shame.
Welcome back my good man! As a fellow motorcycle accident (actually MANY accidents...sigh...) survivor, I wish you a fast recovery. Always great to see your take on Apples latest "great NEW innovation" 😁
Wasn't sure I'd ever bother with Mac Address when it first started. While I had bought Apple products in the past (several iPods and a mac mini that ran my Plex library for years) I wasn't overly interested in their products. But the channel has really grown on me. I love the way Jonathan presents the videos. They unique flavour they have compared to the other LMG channels. And the fact that it addresses both sides of the coin when reviewing anything. It's not all praise or all critique. It's balanced and informative. Here is a cool thing, here is what you can do with it and here is what you can't. And here is why that's good and bad. Great work. Glad I subbed to this channel as well these days.
I was worried that LTT had pulled the plug! Glad you're ok and back!!
Man I would riot. This is far and away their best channel.
The GOAT of transitions is back! Hope your recovery is going well!
I'm glad you're ok Jonathan. Hope you're recovery continues well ❤
Happy to see your videos back in my feed! So glad you are doing well after the accident Jonathan!
Good to have you back, glad your recovery is going well!
Glad to have you back Jonathan, if I must say, I think the experience of the Vision Pro would be a lot more fun if it came with a glove-like accessory to give our hands a nice feedback when using it
I'm glad you're ok Jonathan. I'm not an Apple guy but always appreciate tech videos and your different take on things. I believe if you can't consider alternatives or opposing arguments then you don't have a leg to stand on, so I thank you for providing that different perspective for me.
I'm waiting for generation 3 when they'll finally give it controllers and generation 9 when they allow it to attach to a computer by cable. Maybe by that point it'll have games?
If I had an Apple Vision Pro ?
I would sell it and buy a Valve Index headset and a gaming PC so I can actually do things in VR.
Then buy my family presents with the money left over.
Sure, but the Quest 3 is better than the index and half the price.
i would instead buy a quest 3 but i already own one so i would instead sell it for a better pc then my 3060 laptop since a quest 3 can do both vr gaming and Mixed Reality and i like Mixed Reality/Augmented Reality!
@@zachzimmermann5209 yeah, Index is now 5 year old. Quest 3 works better for PCVR and it can do standalone as well. Maybe the PSVR is better for PC as it has OLED screens...
How is the hand tracking on the índex?
@@PortfolioPLAnd pancake lenses
Sorry to hear about the accident, but glad to hear you're recovering well! Shout out to the safety gear for doing its job 🙌
It also had the interesting unintended consequence of actually being able to look back at this device after the majority of the hype has died down. Makes for a fresh perspective!
Welcome back! Glad to see that you are doing ok again. Even as a linux / android user I absolutely love watching this channel
Dude, Jonathan, very glad you are feeling better and recovering! Was wondering what had happened to part 2. :)
Few notes from using the Vision Pro for a month:
- Totally agree on the "nothing to do in here" part, my main use case is Mac virtual display and that can also be solved with larger external displays unless I'm traveling
- I've actually gotten pretty fast with the virtual keyboard.
- With the dual loop head band and some training, I'm comfortable wearing the thing for hours at a time.
- Agreed on the issue with not enough space, though it's somewhat improved by setting the scaling to small.
- Spatial FaceTime is pretty cool, it really feels like I'm in the same space as the other person.
- I wish it had more real world applications, like AR pedestrian navigation, visual lookup, translation, etc.
Glad to see you're doing okay. A message to the editor, can you bring back the cool "MA" transition where Jonathan will move away and the MA logo appears behind him? Always thought that was a nice touch.
Missed you Jonathan, sorry to hear of your accident - bad glad you're recovering!!
Glad you are back and feeling better.
Glad to see you're back and doing well. Was wondering why there's been a gap lately just thought it was RUclips being weird and hadn't wandered over to see what was going on. In someways it seems very fitting because your circumstances near the circumstances of the Apple Vision Pro very well. I have no idea what I would use it for a big virtual control interface would be fun for audio mixers but in a life setting I don't know if that would work and I don't know how well it would support multitouch. The biggest limitation that would be it's limited to iPad apps and the desktop apps for some of these a lot better and more expendable. Beyond that the virtual desktop thing but I don't know how well that would work in bed waving my arms around but it does seem like it would be a good way to work on stuff without having to sit at a desk. Which is comes back to content consumption we keep creating content consumption devices and nothing for content creation and then we keep limiting what is capable on the desktop environments.
I have an updated Mac OS X from 12.7.5 and I do computer support for other folks and I'm looking at the disaster that it's turning into. Just try and find anything in settings which used to be system preferences which used to be laid out in a somewhat reasonable manner it just keeps getting rampaged in with the last update to make it iPhone like it's a mess.
I bought a framework and I'm planning to Daily Linux on it, I just have to get used to a few things first and find a good bag to put it in. If only the LTT backpack had D-Ring Hooks near the bottom so I could clip on a waist strap.
I love how the choice to film this portal to scenic virtual worlds was shot in scenic real life settings; it emphasizes a kind of isolation intrinsic to VR tech in the present day.
So many other channels demonstrated it in a city, seeing it in nature was impactful for how much it divided people from the world-- especially of its not providing people many things to do, or people to connect to inside it's virtual world.
We like filming outside the office if we can, and White Rock is pretty close. But on set, I did get a kick of spinning the dial from the beach to Apple’s Environment. Was pretty funny.
Welcome back, mate. I'm glad you recovering nicely.
Big win for ltt! So excited to know you could recover and step back in when you were ready.
Stay safe. Good job dressing for the slide.
But not the smash somehow, looking at getting an Air Bag vest
Get better soon and welcome back!
Welcome back! You have the most interesting Apple centric videos. Great work!
I don't have a use case for the vision pro yet. It reminds me of the early versions of the newton: they're on to something, but the engineering hasn't caught up to the vision.
I am glad you are back. Actually at one point of time that I miss your videos.
Hey, so glad that the accident wasn’t worse. I am really glad to see you back on the interwebs and making videos. Stay safe….
Y'all should do a video on the Cinema Display!
Glad to see you back. Best take on the Vision Pro yet! I'd love to see your take on repairability one of these days!
Speedy recovery. I knew something was off because there was no MA video. Thanks for the Vision Pro review :)
I was wondering why you hadn't made a video for this yet. I'm glad you're ok and back!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry to hear about the accident, glad to see your doing well now. 👍
Really LOVE the different "story telling" on this video.
I tried one at a friend’s house and it’s exactly as you say. The 3D environments are beautiful, but there’s not much more that I can do with the Vision Pro than I could do with an iPad and Laptop. The one scenario I’d see value out of it is if I was living a large shared dorm room or often in a location working like an air plane and needed a way to escape to serenity. But if I’m in those kinds of scenarios, there’s likely better solutions for $3,500
We’re Happy to see you doing well please take more time to recover if you need it
When i heard it was for "AR" as in it wont be for gaming, i knew they made a mistake. anyone whos tried VR knows the best experience you have with em are IN games. and VR generally isnt comfortable. its kinda tiring and uncomfortable to wear. so going the AR route is kinda nonsensical. especially for work.
Cause you cant work faster or more efficient with VR headsets. the only thing it does is cause issues. doesnt matter what headset it is
Glad you survived the accident. Wish you a speedy recovery
Glad to see you well, Jonathan! Welcome back!
Glad you are ok! Welcome back!
That's why you always wear an airbag west! Got mine a couple of months ago, and I will never again ride without it ... Good thing you recovered!! :)
The camera transition at 10:00 was so sick!!!
Welcome back, hope you will keep making great content while having full recovery.
By the way, cool Honda CBR bike
Good to see you back. Glad your feeling better!