Why Angels went to War in Heaven?! Theologians share amazing insights about the war behind all wars!
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 26 май 2024
- Have Angels Fallen From Grace? Theologian John Boston Explains the Rebellion in Heaven!
In this episode, Anil Kanda goes deep with theologian John Boston to uncover the truth behind the war in heaven! Did angels revolt against God? What amazing insights can theologians offer?
This video is packed with thought-provoking ideas and will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew.
***Want more mind-blowing content? Subscribe to our channel for weekly dives into religious mysteries and theological discussions!
***Feeling generous? Consider leaving a Super Thanks donation to support the channel! Every bit helps us keep these conversations going.
Looking for more to explore? Check out our other videos on a wide range of religious topics!
#angels #heaven #war #theology #religion #mystery #God #Memorialday #SpiritualWar 
Развлечения
![[ GUILTY GEAR STRIVE: DUAL RULERS ] Teaser Trailer](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/e4TDqaE3XAg/mqdefault.jpg)
Excellent responses God bless this man. Would also like to say that what I got out of the "is heaven perfect?" is that we as humans really haven't fully understood Gods love yet.
God is love, but what a love!...it's so pure and Holy and bright that we literally have to be changed to be in His presence.
I believe when we are able to stand in His presence that then...we will know just how perfect and righteous He really is...
And everything will make sense then, we will know God fully. personally and intimately and have His approval and pureness of life within us forever...
His love is just more then we can understand at this moment in time...
Yes very true,*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content. Thanks friend!
Pain helps us to grow and draw closer to God and we all cry our for His help!
it does. can't wait for heaven.*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
Hope at Night has truly become one of my favorites ❤️ Anile Kanda is a great Host! So happy I found a program like this.
Aw thank you! *Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
What a wonderful guy this John Boston. You guys have me in tears of joy.
I have had several encounters with Angels. Both kinds. The ones that appeared from nowhere and the one who were actual humans. One time I prayed for an angel to help me in my new career. When I met a guy named "Angel" who referred all of his clients to me and showed me the ropes of the business I introduced him to my pastor as the Angel I prayed for.
amen *don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
For the believer, when you die, Apostle Paul said, "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." After the resurrection of Christ, people don't wait in paradise any longer when they die. They go straight to heaven.
Why then will there be a resurrection (dead in Christ will rise first) in the last day if the dead in Christ are already in heaven?
No man has ascended into heaven except he who descended
When he said, today you will be with me in Paradise, it means he went to Paradise and brought the thief with him there the day he died, but he ascended to heaven only after few days after he resurrected (he said to Mary touch me not, for I have not ascended to my Father in heaven). It appears that he went to Paradise first (and to hell too), and then ascended to heaven few days after his bodily ressurection.
In Revelation, it appears that only the martyrs are in heaven (Apostle Paul included), not all dead in Christ. In the last day, the dead in Christ will rise first in incorruptible body, and those who are alive born-again Christian’s body will be changed incorruptible, and both groups will be taken (raptured) 😮from the earth to meet the Lord in the air (not go straight to heaven, leaving Jesus Christ in the air). It will be the Lord Jesus Christ who will bring everyone to heaven.
*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content. Thanks friend!
Heaven is a peaceful place, no war. God will stop any angels who are aggressive!
Yea very true
Heaven is NOT peaceful. It’s filled with spiritual wickedness and agendas
I like how this guy asks good questions.
Me too! lol. *don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
Amen brother god is with you you speak the truth AMEN BROTHER
This brother incrist. Is good teaching. Good blessed him
Thanks for watching!*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content. Thanks friend!
He said, the Bible says when you die, you are asleep until Jesus returns? I could have sworn the spirit is with the Lord. 🤷🏽♀️ Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was; and the spirit shall return to God who gave it.” In other words, when a person dies, his or her spirit goes back to God, the body returns to dust and the soul of that person no longer exist. So when you die, you are in immediate presence of the Lord, not asleep in a grave sir. 🙏🏽❤️
The Hebrew word for spirit is " Rauch " which translates to wind, air, breath, mind, or life depending on the usage and context within the verse. In the case of Genesis, it is used synonymously with " breath ". If we delve deeper into the word for " soul " in Hebrew is Nephesh which translates to a living being, living creature, living thing, or life anything that has life is a soul. The same is true for the Greek word Psuche, it is also where the Latin retains its translation for the mind or psyche. However, none of these translations mean that we have a spiritual entity inside of us, for example, Genesis 2:7 God ( breathed=breath ) into man the breath ( Rauch ) of life ( Nephesh ), and man became a living ( Nephesh ) soul.
Likewise in the N.T. a great example is Revelation 16:3 because it talks about souls in the sea, " every living soul ( Psuche=creature ) in the sea died. We know animals do not have souls if they did then they would be as conscious as humans and would have the same right to choose for or against God as we do. The belief in the doctrine of the immortality of the soul ( life ) started in the 3rd century through pagan Greek, and Roman philosophy and theology, When Roman became the seat of the Holy Roman Empire this teaching became very common and prevalent through Catholicism, during the Dark, and Middle Ages most of Europe was largely uneducated, about 80%. Because of this people had to trust the Roman Catholic Church in all matters of doctrine, faith, and spiritual guidance. When something was taught for 1300 years before the protestant reformation the vast majority of people had been engrained with this teaching of the immortal soul, and going to heaven or hell at death. However, a historical, and Biblical study from the original Hebrew and Greeks concludes that this isn't the case, Paul spoke more about death as a state of sleep more than any other author of the bible.
Confusion sets in for people especially when preachers or pastors misquote verses, I used to always hear my Baptist pastor quote 2 Corinthians 5:8 To be absent the body is to be present with the Lord, however, he was leaving out a key part which is the beginning " We are confident, I say, and willing (Rather ) " in other words Paul was saying he would and anyone else would actually love to be with the Lord, given the choice to be out of this corruptible and sinful body. I hope this helps, and thx to a more in-depth study of the original languages I now know and believe the truth. The same teaching of eternal hell began in the same way, handed down as a legacy to Protestant churches through Catholicism. Hope this helped, it's also why the bible says what it says in 2 Timothy 2:15 we can't just read our English Bible without the context of what the original languages meant and get the right translation, it's impossible! So many words from the original don't mean in their languages what certain words mean in our English.
@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl❤🙏🏽
exactly!*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
@@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl
Dear Brother,
You have studied much and I applaud your learning; but you assume that because the Hebrew, Aramaic, Koine Greek, and even Latin have certain meanings that Scripture uses such words that most closely resembles the true meaning which often causes confusion; for example, Yeshua Ha Meshach tells us that whosoever believes in Him does not perish but has eternal life (John 3:15-18) and John 3:36 tells us that one who believes on the Son has everlasting life but unbelievers will not see life.
People often do not understand what life is in reality. They claim to live, but if they do not believe in The Son, then they really don't have life but are dead in their sins. Likewise, the meaning of words often have several different viewpoints from different perspectives. I believe that when a believer in Yeshua Ha Meshach dies, his body rots in the grave awaiting the Rapture, his spirit is with the Holy Spirit, and his soul (mind and more) goes to Paradise, a garden on an unknown place that has the souls of plants and animals that is through the third heaven (wherever that is). You have a great deal of knowledge, but still lacks humility and you need yet more understanding. I admit that I could be in error on something, but I require evidence. Thank you for your learning and your time. Shalom.
Angels were created by God and God also gave them free choice. Lucifer was full pride and wanted to be like God etc
What scripture says that “Lucifer was full of pride”?
@@1754Me
Dear friend,
Isaiah 14:12-15 speaks both to the king of Babylon and to the angel who once was called Lucifer (lightbearer). Yeshua Ha Meshach (Jesus The Christ) revealed to us that this devil (fallen angel) is in control of the nations of this world as when Satan tempted Yeshua Ha Meshach, he promised that he would give to Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glories Matthew 4:1-11 and Luke 4:1-13 (especially verse 6).
Isaiah does not use the term "pride" but his telling us that Satan wants to be like God and have control shows the very definition of pride. I hope this helps you. Shalom.
@@jimbobhirstyeshuaslave5860 Isaiah 14 verse 4 says that the poetic section following is addressed to "the king of Babylon". You read into the context the part that the poetic section is addressing an angel. The context does not say that.
And as far as the kingdom, Jesus has ALL authority in heaven and on the earth. He currently sits enthroned ruling those who are obedient to His commands. On the last day, His citizens' faith will be made sight as He returns so that those who have entered His kingdom will inherit eternal life with Him. Those who haven't obeyed His commands (i.e. His enemies) will be cast in to the Lake of Fire which is their second death. Peace.
Rev 11:15-Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”
@@jimbobhirstyeshuaslave5860 Isaiah 14:4 says "you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon". So the poetic section following is addressed to "the king of Babylon". You read into the context that it is addressing an angel as it simply does not say that.
And as far as the kingdom, Jesus has ALL authority in heaven and on the earth. He currently sits enthroned ruling those who are obedient to His commands. On the last day, His citizens' faith will be made sight as He returns so that those who have entered His kingdom will inherit eternal life with Him. Those who haven't obeyed His commands (i.e. His enemies) will be cast in to the Lake of Fire which is their second death. Peace.
Rev 11:15-Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”
@@jimbobhirstyeshuaslave5860 Isaiah 14:4 says "you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon". So the poetic section following is addressed to "the king of Babylon". You read into the context that it is addressing an angel as it simply does not say that. And as far as the kingdom, Jesus has ALL authority in heaven and on the earth. He currently sits enthroned ruling those who are obedient to His commands. On the last day, His citizens' faith will be made sight as He returns so that those who have entered His kingdom will inherit eternal life with Him. Those who haven't obeyed His commands (i.e. His enemies) will be cast in to the Lake of Fire which is their second death. Peace.
Rev 11:15-Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”
I wonder how much of the pain this guest went through served Gods purpose in allowing him to bless me with his explanations on this broadcast?
Interesting comment.*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
Ellen G White is a Seventh Day Adventist, who wrote the book The Great Controversy.
Test all things by the Word. We can determine if something is the truth, by using the scriptures as a filter.
*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
@@anilkanda611what book you used please, it's E.G. Whites book or not?
@@tanieluleatioo1401 everything he talked about comes from scriptural thought.
Please sir, you're not answer the question. The question is "what book he is talking abou? The book E. G. White one of SDA founders written or not? So you need to tell us the truth.
In the book of Enoch there is a part that tells about the fallen angels who are called the Nefillim. They were told to guide humanity but some of the angels "Sami_El" and others they "took" human woman. In some texts it says they took them as wives. Some say "they interfered" they interfered with humanity against Gods orders. They also did other things and they pitted humans against each other, taught them to make weapons...so humans were warring. The Bible tells us that the Romans and the Egyptians and the Canaanites were sacrificing children. And killing the male babies. The Angels showed Enoch the fall of man and also showed Enoch who would come to save humanity.
Enoch does not save humanity-Jesus does.
Second, the book of Enoch's dating is way off plus the concepts are unbiblical.
@@anilkanda611
Dear brother,
You totally misread the article in that God revealed to Enoch that there was a person sent by God to give salvation as is mentioned throughout the old scriptures. Jude exactly quoted the book of Enoch as a true statement in verses 14&15. This pictures the book of Revelation and the second coming of Yeshua Ha Meshach. Some believe God allowed Satan to add corruption into this ancient book, but it is well worth studying when one is well grounded in cannon scriptures. All Scripture is worthy of study if one is able to discern Truth. Thank you for your presentation as the world needs more podcasts honoring our God. I applaud your zeal but I pray that you don't stop studying Scripture and learn. Shalom.
@@anilkanda611 He never said Enoch saved humanity, you are in error.
Second, your declaration that the book of Enoch is somehow less then valid because of time dating is not true, and many believe that (including biblical persons) is valid and
can be even quoted because it is just that valid.
Saying the concepts are unbiblical is such an gross lie, there doesn't exist an more biblical book then Enoch, it is just that it is specific in its substance and content.
So specific that it is acceptable to be used as a reference of Angelic personage and just what happened long ago that goes hand in hand with what caused all this mess
in the first place.
It fills in so many blanks and speeds up one's ability to conceive such such fantastic knowledge.
I for one most highly recommend this Enoch 1 and 2 for everyone to learn about such heavenly matters concerning mankind.
And the argument of it's not in the cannon is ridiculous, the 66 book biblia is a Catholic version, I'm not Catholic and have respect for all writings that are valid and true
whether or not any council of questionable men parlay about what is or what is not. There are some older bibles that still have the Apocrypha, and as far as I', concerned all should as well as other writings, especially Enoch.
@@anilkanda611 I didn't say he did. The angels foretold of The Savior coming to redeem humanity.
@@kathleenvance8792 You are right.
But the book of enoch doesnt even meet basic criteria for canon. Jude's quoting from it is no different than Paul's quoting of pagan prophets. Some truth doesn't equal all truth or much truth.
The Scriptures are enough. Not sensationalism about nephilim.
I have to make another comment: People don't realize how EXTREME Satan's hate is for humanity. Satan was once God's favorite but God showed his love and compassion towards people and it caused such intense envy and hatred for mankind in Satan. He wants to make us hurt each other. He wants to humiliate mankind before God....Read the first few chapters of Job. It shows how Satan wants to denigrate, humiliate and destroy man.
yup very true.*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
yup, it's a real bad kind of hate.
HanstheTraffer:
Your comment doesn’t make sense in relation to the timeline revealed in the Bible. Satan deceived Adam/Eve BEFORE God showed compassion for sinners. Satan is never recorded ENVYING mankind in the Scriptures, either. And since God IS Love, His love went to all of His creation (including Lucifer) equally.
If you were well versed in the Scriptures, you would know that Rev. 12:7-10 hasn’t happened yet. Satan is STILL/currently accusing us before the Father (“brethren” in this context are saved/Christian people). There is no way possible the “war” has happened yet, and definitely DID NOT HAPPEN before the creation of the Earth. There weren’t any “brethren” to accuse of sin, because there was no sin, and there were no “brethren” before creation.
Sin is the transgression of the Law, and the Law was given on Mt. Sinai, 2,500 years or so AFTER creation. When “sin” was found in Satan, it was his own personal sin against what God made him to be. He only had one governing law: to be an angel. Instead, he decided to be a devil. That was the “law” he broke to be found with sin. Sin was found in Adam and Eve, also: when they wanted MORE than what God gave them. They only had one law, and they decided to break it. Now, we are all sinners in this family of the “first Adam”. Only in the “Second Adam”/Christ can we be redeemed back and justified in the sight of God. Only in the Righteousness of Christ through His Blood can all sinners be restored again in fellowship with God.
I'm always curious about the evil spirit sent from heaven to effect king Saul....it shows how he ends up trying to kill David b)c of the torment from this spirit
Check this out!
www.amazingfacts.org/news-and-features/news/item/id/10920/t/does-god-really-send-evil-spirits-
When a person dies, their spirit and soul live on. When Jesus told the thief on the cross that " today, you will be with me in paradise' indicates a continued consciousness after leaving the body in physical death.
The rebellious angels referred to in Genesis, were bound until final judgement. One teaching suggests that demons are not angels, but unclean spirits of people who existed and died in Noah's time. They were hybrids... half human.
BECAUSE GOD IS COMPLEMENTARY DUALISM OF LOVE..AMEN
What does that mean? *dont forget to like and subscribe for more content!
true Love 💘 is absolute immutable purity of the perfect Creation
Gotcha. God is love!
it's difficult enough to be faithful within our own conscience let alone Supernatural influence to try to make us make the wrong decision it just seems like a double whammy
It seems like that to me.
God wants us to be aware. There are more good angels than bad ones.
*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
Once upon a time there was tranquility in Heaven.
Due to a strange affliction that was infecting the angels this was all about to change.
That affliction was emotion.
Initially all of the angels would love and compliment one another; Lucifer for his beauty, Aerial for his song, Gabriel for his swiftness, Michael for his warrior heart, etc.
Many of the angels eventually overcame the disease, and many did not. For those that did not a quarantine was established.
This quarantine is Sanctum Earth.
Interesting. But it was the evil of pride not emotions that caused their downfall.*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
@@anilkanda611 "Pride" is an emotion. Harmless in and of itself, but it can often lead to envy when bruised.
For example; God spoke saying, "Lucifer, you are the most beautiful among us."
Azazel, hearing this went into a fit of rage and replied, "and I suppose I look like an over baked potato?"
Lucifer, recognizing his friend's wound then chastised God only to infuriate his wrath.
Etc, etc......
Emotions did it.
My theory answers the questions concerning the creation of evil. I'm sticking with it.
@@CyberRabid.
What novel are you citing? I never read that in the Scriptures.
@@Helzermanable I agree that the Biblical text is extremely vague.
"CyberRabid for his yarns."
There, now the great work is complete. 😖
@@CyberRabid.
I wasn’t referring to the Bible Text in Revelation 12. That is very clear. I was referring to this person commenting from quotes from the plagiarized writings of EGW. Her writings are all disjointed. The Bible is clear. This “war” will happen soon I believe, but is has NOT happened yet, and it definitely could not have happened pre-creation. The Bible is CLEAR on that, when you understand that the “woman” in Revelation 12 is Israel and the “remnant” are the several million Jews that are everyday in the news. Jerusalem has definitely become a “rock of offense”:
Zechariah 12:2-3 KJV
Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. [3] And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Currently many nations are besieging Jerusalem with their mouth by saying “….from the river to the sea….” That is what the Red Dragon will be hoping to make a reality, and is prepping people to actually do it.
HEY HERE I AM I HAVE OFFICALLY LANDED ON EARTH! MY FACE IS NOT LOOKING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, UHHH I AM GOING AGAINST JESUS AND H IS MIGHTY ANGELS IN THE WRONG DIRECTION! HELP CAN WE GET TIME TURNED BACK SO WE CAN REPAIR THE DAMAGE WE HAVE DONE OURSELVES BY PLAYING WITH THE GOD PARTICLES?
*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
I think that when Jesus came as a man he changed everything and what I mean is that he changed the law and it was said in the Bible that Moses law was the old law and Jesus made a new law. I am not saying Moses law is not legit just that Jesus added new laws because we are not perfect but by repenting and changing your life to suit Gods way of living you can be forgiven and be raised to go to heaven. Moses law was you cannot be raised to heaven if you commit any of these sins. Now does that mean you can go straight to heaven if you changed your life and live for God will you go straight to heaven I am not sure but it could be possible because as Jesus said repent and change and you will see Heaven. My father’s house has many mansions. And or that you cannot go to the father unless it is through me.
Jesus is the way. That being said, He is also the Lawgiver too. Jesus wants us to follow Him in obedience to the 10 commandments. *Don't forget to like and subscribe to the channel for more content. Thanks friend!!!
The first book of Enoch give us a lot of information about fallen angels and their offspring who became "the unclean spirits / demons"
The book of enoch doesnt meet with basic criteria to be a legitimate bible book.
*Don't forget like and subscribe to this channel for more! Thanks friend!
@@anilkanda611 it actually does, it has been in Ethiopian bible for two thousand years, also was found among dead sea scrolls, also Jude quoted book of Enoch directly. Book of Enoch was written for the last generation, and think that we could be that generation. Blessings
@@sylaba2011 Jude quote from the book of Enoch like Paul quote from pagan prophets to make a point. But that doesn't confirm its accuracy.
You should examine why it was rejected from the basic criteria of canon. The evidence is overwhelming.
I guess we just agree to disagree. ☺️ May peace and grace from Father Yah and our King and Savior Yeshua be multiplied to you all.
@@sylaba2011
Wanna see a fallen angel ? LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
Of goodness Of God will, Of God' love adam and eva the perfect o not'
The was perfect or not perfect????
*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
He loves us so much that He will let you go to Hell.
He could of. He provided the Cross to save us from it. He respects choice.
*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
@@anilkanda611amen. He is not a dictator.
the thing with death is you are sent to hell or heaven with Jesus the scripture says that Jesus descended in to hell and proclaimed victory to the spirits and set the captives free and took the keys of death, if you just sleep then where would Jesus have gone into the belly of the earth? and the scriptures speak of Abrahams bosom being seen from hell afar off. so yes this body dies but the soul awaits the resurrection of the body like Jesus had after the 3rd day where it was glorified and immortal, he ate and could pass through walls. so many passages speak of hell, and the final destination of the lake of fire where all that will be cast in. so death hell and the sea will have to give up the dead. at the judgment so be cast into the lake of fire for levels of judgement.
Either God is Omniscient and Omnipotent or He is not, which is it?
He can make choices too. He also has agency.
This dude asked, “do we need to pray to Angels?” Ridiculous💯🤦🏽
Because in some religions, they do. *Don't forget like and subscribe to this channel for more! Thanks friend!
Isaiah 14:12 - The Fall of Lucifer.
Thats right and Ezekiel 28.
*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
No. That is in the poetic section and the context in verse 4 says, "you will take up this taunt against THE KING OF BABYLON". Notice in verse 16 and 17 that it says, “Is this the MAN who...the MAN who..." (emphasis added) not "the angel". Satan, nor any angel, is ever mentioned in this section. Context is key.
❤ The war in heaven has not happened yet, it was the rebellious angels who chose to leave the Heaven and occupy the heavens (universes ). I think the future war will take place in heavens, which is also called universes, not the Heaven where God lives.
The war in heaven happened already and the devil was cast to the earth. It literally says that in Revelation 12:7 and tops it off with the first coming of Christ-showing it to be a past event.
*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content. Thanks friend!
@@anilkanda611
Why do you keep saying this? If the “war” that is spoken about in the video supposedly happened pre-creation, why is it in light of/after the ASCENSION of Jesus?? And AFTER brethren/Christians/human beings have been accused against by Satan??
Jesus was showing John things past, present, and future in Revelations. This war was FUTURE in relation to John, because he saw this “war” in sequence of the ASCENSION OF CHRIST….verse 5 (chapter12). And John actually saw the physical ASCENSION OF CHRIST!! So, in John’s mind, it was still FUTURE.
READ THINGS IN CONTEXT, please. You are leading people against the Word of God.
what I know is "bearer of light" or "morning star, has been removed from satan's. because when he was thrown to the ground all his honor was revoked.
Yea, he can only shift temporarily into it.
But he hasn't been thrown to the ground yet. That doesn't happen until halfway through Israel's 70th week when the 144,000 Jews (man child of Revelation 12 sign) are taken up to heaven.
@@bugsocsollie1694 this you said :"But he hasn't been thrown to the ground yet." I think it's true after the child born.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
why old serpent? because in the beginning that "angel" already rejected by God because he want to be God or to be equal to God. I think that angel he want to be equal to his creator or beginning.
That angel already called Satan or the Devil when he deceived Eva in the beginning.
that's why the "bearer of light" or the "morning star" in the beginning already revoked (i don't know what word to use) to that angle not only when he thrown to the earth.
If you analyze what happen in revelation 12, Satan already their he waited the child to be born.
He already called Satan or the Devil not only when he thrown but before he thrown his honor revoked by God.
I think Satan used that old of he to deceived all people like the scripture said: "which deceiveth the whole world" it means we are now already under of his delusion of Satan. That is why he waited the child to be born like the scripture said: 4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. Why do you think he waited the child?
To my view it because the child know his secrets.
That is only I know.
@@anilkanda611 I think even temporarily he can't do that. Satan can be came light but that light is not true light. Satan is no longer the bearer of light or morning star even in the beginning.
@@bugsocsollie1694 I see you still make Daniel out to be a false prophet, my friend, as you believe Daniel 2:34-35 & 44-45 have not been fulfilled yet even though the Roman Empire has come and gone.
One BIG problem. The war between the angels has not happened yet! You are speaking as if it happened already:
Revelation 12:7 KJV
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
This is at a time (future yet) AFTER Jesus ascended up to His throne (in verse 5). We know Satan still had access to the throne of God while Job was still alive, so this so-called war would not have happened pre-creation, that is for sure:
Job 2:1-2 KJV
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. [2] And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
That passage doesn’t look yet like what WILL happen in the FUTURE. It is not wise to build huge doctrines for daily living from verses in Revelations. It is recommended by Christ to read the Epistles for our daily walk and fellowship with the Saviour.
One big problem. Reading the Bible in context refutes your idea.
Revelation 12:7
And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for [b]them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
"The power of the Christ have come..." Sounds pretty clear to me.
@@anilkanda611
Yes, I love that Scripture. That Scripture shows that currently Satan is NOT on this Earth in full power. Currently we know he is the prince and the power of the air. That war when Satan is cast down completely on this Earth will start the 7 year great tribulation when Satan will fill the AntiChrist and empower him to deceive all the nations.
Ephesians 2:2 KJV
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince [Satan] of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Satan can’t deceive all nations until the Holy Spirit and the Christians are caught away. Currently Christians through the power of the Holy Spirit are restraining Satan from having full access to deceive ALL nations.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 KJV
For the mystery of iniquity [Satan] doth already work: only he [Holy Spirit] who now letteth will let [restrain], until he [the Holy Spirit] be taken out of the way. [8] And then shall that Wicked [Antichrist] be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [9] Even him [Antichrist], whose coming is after the working of SATAN WITH ALL POWER and signs and lying wonders, [10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Yes, when Satan gets cast down to this Earth with ALL POWER given to his Antichrist, I would not wish any person to be dwelling on this Earth….but many people will be. Why? “They RECEIVED NOT the Love of the Truth”….”they believed not the Truth” (Jesus Christ). Thus saith this Scripture.
I have believed and will be taken out of the way for this event to take place. This is the time to receive the Love of Christ and believe His Word for salvation against this great and terrible day….before Satan is cast down in all of his fury!!
Side note: we know that Satan still has access to the Throne of Christ, because he is known as the “Accuser of the Brethren”. He (like he did with Job) is always accusing Christians before God in regards to their sins and misdeeds.
Revelation 12:10 KJV
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER OF OUR BRETHREN is cast down, which accused them BEFORE OUR GOD DAY AND NIGHT.
It will be a great day when Satan can no longer throw my sins up in my face/before my Father in Heaven!
@@anilkanda611
Talking about context.
If you place these events before the creation of the world, according to your doctrine, some phrases within the verses you quoted would make zero sense.
that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, *who deceives the whole world* and the power of His Christ have come, *for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down*
What world do you deceive if it's not yet, those brethren who are accused day and night, are clearly humans, who are supposed to be yet created......
If the earth and it's inhabitants where allready created, as the last verses imply, "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time." then please do tell us what time period from the creation of Adam till the flood does this "war in heaven" fit in.
@@Helzermanable Excellent reply...well done, I thank Messiah every time I hear someone teach true doctrine...it strengthens my faith.
@@doug753 Copy that. May the Lord be praised forevermore. Cheers
The 1st sin was one of deception. Satan lied to Eve "did God really ssy"
As for fallen Angels God said that they have been bond in chains until the Judgement.
The Apostle John was rebuked for bowing down to the Angle in Revelation.
Angles are not Demons. Read the Gospels properly. Never once did Jesus refer to Demons as Angels.
We must beware in these last days that we are not deceived.
Purgatory...
*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
this is SDA
Its scriptural thinking. Refute it with the Bible if you disagree with it. I promote the Bible as the rule of faith.
Tell us what church you go to?
Please, don't ask people what church we go to, we want to know it is SDA? @@anilkanda611
War in heaven?
www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4979/t/did-god-create-the-devil-
Yup! *Don't forget like and subscribe to this channel for more! Thanks friend!
Satan's fall is a past event
not future as one comment says quoting Revelation. Turn to Ezekiel 28: 15-19 and Isaiah 14:12-15. This This is not a prophecy but statement of what happened in heaven. This is the old testament written before John was even born.
Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 are not about Satan's fall. The context of Ez 28 is addressed to "the king of Tyre, and say to HIM..." (v. 12) And in Is 14:4 says "you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon", and v 16-17 says "Is this the MAN who...the MAN who..." (emphasis added). Do either of these passages say "to an angel or Satan"? Many people read into the context that it is addressing Satan but it simply does not say that. NO WHERE in the Bible does it ever expressly say that Satan was an angel. You may read into it if you are predisposed, but it actually never says that he was.
A minority of angels. Remember not all angels seen God cos heaven has levels. Of course Lucifer sold dem same crap ge selling humans: you evolved and u can become god and u strong independent dont need nobody tell u nothing. I dont need a theologian to teach me his own opinion of things clearly written in d bible.
Yes a 1/3 but we don't know a 1/3 of what? Millions? Billions?
Have a little humility. We all can learn more from each other.
God would have seen all the angels.
Albeit his hatred for mankind might be based on the fact as indicated in the bible God has us as higher than the angels.
Next time please invite an exorcist of the Catholic Church, so we can have a better insight on this topic.
Sorry but scriptural insight and not priests are the best authority on angels.
The falling of a high ranking angel and a third of his angels speaks volumes against the sovereignty of the false God being preached by the world today. Not to mention the hypocrisy of that God creating evil angels in heaven and then telling his beloved creation (Man), 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Rev 21:27 (KJV).
And what does God say to do with incorrigibles?
Deut 21:18-21 (KJV)
Anyone in heaven that rebels and becomes incorrigible is judged immediately and destroyed, according to law, and the law (word) is eternal and spans the three heavens.
If I lie to you or about you, you or another will suffer from misinformation. If I steal from you, you will suffer from lack or have to put out new effort to regain the loss, and all this while my family, friends and neighbors turn a [blind eye] or encourage my behavior. Now multiply that by the world population, then add in pride, greed, sloth, hate, etc, and you have suffering all around. Then stir the pot with the destructive force of three major wars and you have hell on earth (the pit).
The evil and suffering in this world his man's doing not some fabled fallen angel. When someone is tempted to do something that they know is wrong they have a little debate in their head and lie to themselves and make excuses to justify the action they want to take. Just like the story of Eve and the talking serpent. A talking serpent is a fable; 2 Tim 4:4 (KJV). A talking serpent symbolic of the lust of the flesh; is truth. The power of those that give into this serpent is what God calls Satan, or to be more specific, the power of those that use and abuse the laws of God “to steal, and to kill, and to destroy” the poor, fatherless, and widows, is what God calls Satan, a principality (a government). And any who support him, through lies or evil plans (mind), or with works (hands) are his angels. Hence the mark of the beast.
All glory to God. Amen
The Scripture teaches satan is a very real angel. God did not create a rebellious being. He created a beautiful and upright angel who perverted his freedom and nature.*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend!!
@@anilkanda611 And what does God say to do with incorrigibles?
Deut 21:18-21 (KJV)
Anyone in heaven that rebels and becomes incorrigible is judged immediately and destroyed, according to law, and the law (word) is eternal and spans the three heavens.
@@anilkanda611 Satan deemed to be an archangel or cherub, is of no matter, both are deemed of high order, one angelic and one “of an angelic order”, the premise is the same. Your stupid god creates 1/3 of his heavenly host so unimaginably stupid that they cannot realize a simplistic ploy to defeat their enemy. Just think of the chaos that would ensue in heaven if they didn’t rebel, not to mention the mockery it makes of your god’s sovereignty.
Hebrew Strong's Number: 3742
of uncertain derivative; a cherub or IMAGINARY figure:- cherub, [plural] cherubims.
-Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.
Cherubims are symbolic of a sentry or deterrent, Gen 3:24 (KJV). You people are so delusional you can’t see the that 2 ...yet thou art a MAN,...Ezek 28:2-7 (KJV) speaks of man and his commerce that built up a great city, it speaks of the pride of man witch is his downfall, denying God’s ordaining and providence by laying claim that man’s wisdom brought treasures and stature.
These stones that you say covered a rogue heavenly being, Ezek 28:13 (KJV), are also the same stones that God gave to Moses and in turn gave to the government he helped set up for God’s people. Are we to understand that God wanted us to worship this cherub? No, the stones show that the city/nation is anointed and have the laws and precepts of God.
Any city anointed by God is a garden of God raised up and given it’s power through providence (cultivation) of God. And at it’s conception it is perfection if only for an instant. And Eden being the first garden it has become a proverb for all other anointed cities/nations. The city of Tyrus was a merchant city anointed by God and given great riches through the providence of God, but like the parable of Esau sold it’s birthright because of pride and for the lust of the flesh and was ultimately destroyed by the wrath of God, 18...19...and never shalt thou be any more. Ezek 28:18-19 (KJV).
If I lie to you or about you, you or another will suffer from misinformation. If I steal from you, you will suffer from lack or have to put out new effort to regain the loss, and all this while my family, friends and neighbors turn a blind eye or encourage my behavior. Now multiply that by the world population, then add in pride, greed, sloth, hate, etc, and you have suffering all around. Then stir the pot with the destructive force of three major wars and you have hell on earth (the pit).
God allows mans evil to run its course but under his patterned timeline and agenda. That repeating pattern is revealed in the seven seals and seven Churches, each seal and corresponding church representing a 1,000-year day, and each day having its own set of 7 trumpets and 7 vials. The 7 trumpets are 4 progressive leading (morally failed) cities/nations ((12 tribes into Egypt and 12 tribes out of Egypt) this is why there are 24 elders), and 3 major wars/world wars, and the 7 vials are 7 events of the last major/leading city/nation of each day (each city/nation a head of the dragon, Rev 17:9 (KJV)). The 7th trumpet and the 7th vial are simultaneous and end each 1,000-year day with God destroying civilization and bringing hell on earth (the pit) and thereby sealing the day, 6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Psalms 12:1-6-8 (KJV), {this is how he sealed each 1k year day, the 7 seals.}, the coming “great” desolation being the eighth and last time. Rev 17:10-11 (KJV)., and God decides what truths (and lies) are passed onto the next 1,000-year day.
Today we are in the 7th day/seal and God rests on the 7th day. He will allow us to destroy ourselves and the earth with our undisciplined knowledge of technology and nuclear power, the beginning of ww3 a nuclear war bringing the earth into tribulation for the eighth and last time. And after 3 ½ years of “Great Tribulation” the earth is cast into the sun (lake of fire, “the second death”) along with the evil and suffering of man (Satan and hell), and the sincere “fire fighters” (the church/adoption/lukewarm) are spewed out to a new earth (the waters above).
Don’t take my word for it, or any bodies for that matter. Come to the bible (KJV) with a clean slate, and with sincere want for truth, and not to consume it upon your lusts, but that you may do true worship and obedience to God, with a repentant heart, and with reason and logic the spirit of God will teach.11 … in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. Acts 17:11 (KJV).
All glory to God. Amen
All I know is that Yeshua told the thief on the cross with Him that he would be in Paradise (Abraham’s Bosom) this day. There is no soul sleep or Yeshua lied and God cannot lie.
Check this out. The answer is in this study and it makes such sense.
www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4987/t/are-the-dead-really-dead-
Marvel Comics 😅😅. Why do so many think this mythology is real? Epic of Gilgamesh, Anu, Thor Odin, Zeus, Hercules, Hades. When are you guys going to realise it’s mythology like alll other cultures but other cultures have had the courage to accept it’s not real and their forefathers got it horribly wrong
Except the scriptures have archaeological findings, prophetic evidence that is clear, and many other verifications whereas the other religions do not. Check it out for yourself!
*Don't forget like and subscribe to this channel for more! Thanks friend!
@@anilkanda611 archeological evidence of angels and demons?
@@CarvinHGoldstone The metaphysical isn't denied. I embraced it within the guidelines of Scripture. But at least I admit.
In naturalism, the metaphysical is required but denied. The universe requires a source outside time, space, and material. Something or someone who above that which the universe is comprised of.
There are lots of intelligent people who believe in God and Scripture. You can too.
@@anilkanda611 so there’s no archeological evidence for angels and demons? Is that fair?
@@anilkanda611 I watch your show regularly by the way. It’s like a Late Night or a Daily show format but for Christian conversations. But if you bring on people talking about things that can’t be tested or proven you have to accept push back
No where does it say that Satan wanted to be like God. Look at the context that people use. It is not anbout Satan. Actually we see the tempter having to ask permission of God to do anything to a saint (Job 1). Satan knows his role, and now it’s a defeated role thanks to the risen King.
Rev 11:15-Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign forever and ever.”
Pride always takes the place of God.
*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
Yes it does say that....Isaiah 14- 12,13,14...learn brother or sister...it's a good thing. Peace.
@@doug753 That poetic section of Isaiah 14 is addressed to the king of Babylon as verse 4 says, "you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon". It is not about Satan. Please note that in verses 16 and 17 it says, "Is this the MAN who...the MAN who..." (emphasis added), not "the angel". Context is the key. Learn brother or sister. Peace.
@@1754Me that's absurd. The section I noted is clearly not about a man...There is commonly in scripture a duality of meanings, as I speak to a man I also am at the same time addressing a spiritual entity kind of thing going on.
And not just duality but sometimes even more considerations appear in the same passage.
Ezekiel 28 verses 12, 13,14,15 clearly show this as does Isaiah.
@@1754Me I disagree.
Everyone should read the great controversy, by Ellen G white. It’s an excellent book.
Yes awesome book! *Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
No. I started reading it, and had to put it down. When a person is packed full of the Bible, that book will be very offensive. Do you really believe Satan is the scapegoat?? What blasphemy! No. Jesus carried (ALREADY) my sins outside the camp. Calvary is OUTSIDE of Jerusalem. All the work to complete the payment of all sin is “FINISHED”.
Hebrews 1:3 KJV
Who [Jesus] being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he [Jesus] HAD by himself PURGED OUR SINS, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Did you notice the PAST TENSE? My sins are long gone….so saith the Scriptures.
Psalm 103:12 KJV
As far as the east is from the west, so far hath HE [God] removed our transgressions from us.
That “He” is NOT SATAN. EGW is wrong and a false “prophet”. I believe the Prophet/King David over EGW, that is for sure.
Nope. Just read the Bible. No need to be brainwashed into the SDA movement.
Points of correction:
1. The war in Heaven in Revelation 12 hasn't happened. It is prophetic. Michael and his angels will be sent by God to drive out the fallen angels from the heavenlies and contain them on the earth for the Great Tribulation.
Yes, there was insurrection in heaven and the angels were driven out. The story is in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel, but not Revelation 12.
2. There's a difference between demons (daimonion) and angels (angelos) . Demons appear to be disembodied spirits that may appear in different forms like animals, humans, hybrids, etc. They crave to live in bodies.
For reproof:
Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until NOW the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
John 12:31 NOW is the judgment of this world: NOW shall the prince of this world be cast out.
So where is Satan? In the pit, awaiting to be released with Joel 2 army of locusts.
Revelation 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
Wanna see a fallen angel? LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, *to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass* and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Revelation 1-1 KJV
John the revelator gave the context, theologians are ignoring what John says unmistakebly : THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS. Future events people, unfolding sequencially until the 2nd oming.
Actually there are prophecies of the past but used in context to link prophecies of the future. For example, the devil's war in heaven which migrated to earth which targets God's people at the end. Revelation 12:17
*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content. Thanks friend!
@@anilkanda611
Aren’t you aware that “God’s people” you seem to be referring to in Revelation 12:17 are NOT the Christians. Christians are already in Heaven in chapter 7:13-17. The “remnant of her seed” are the remaining ethnic Jews/Israelites that are still alive at the time Satan is in his full fury.
I don’t understand why people think the “woman” in this chapter 12 is the “Church”. The Church DID NOT bring forth the man child Christ Who has ascended up to His throne. ISRAEL (the tribe of Judah) brought forth Christ as all the Hebrew Prophets speak of. The Orthodox Jews do KEEP the Law and currently have the New Testament printed in Hebrew. Israel is currently filled with citizens that Satan wants to see slaughtered “From the river to the sea….” The “remnant” verse is nearly being fulfilled before our very eyes, and people are blinded by the novel called “The Great Controversy”. Sad
@@anilkanda611
John knew what he saw and he knew what he was writing, he's the ultimate authority.
You talk a lot about context and how the use of the perfect sense is proof that it's past events. OK, let's assume John's use of future to introduce his visions is bad interpretation from me and let's ignore the many instances he uses the past tense to describe events that have not unfolded yet, would you kindly tell me exactly when this war in heaven happened?
They want night clubs with very good dj.
LOL don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
This is my own view ,but I'm not sure of it, I can't believed that the Almighty God will create his own enemy, Perhaps Satan is God's asset, God's alibi for his punishment to those who disobeyed him as a ruler, there are some scriptures that can backup, like the story about Job, Satan obey God, he spare Job's life,
Yes God is at war with evil. But because God values freedom so much as an ethic, rebellion is possible. God created Lucifer but Lucifer turned into Satan=adversary
@@anilkanda611 and the question about the battle in heaven is no reported casualties in the side of Satan and his angels, they only casted on earth,! And Paul in his statement @1st, Cor, 5:1-5, those doing bad should be hand over to Satan , for the destruction of his flesh, and his spirit will be saved, how do you explain this?
@@MrZeuqsav
You were part of that insurrection. You left heaven for Satan's flesh party.
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
Wanna see a fallen angel ? LOOK IN THE MIRROR.
Only one Gospel:
The Gospel of Reconciliation.
Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom
to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself.
We are the fallen angels (ELOHIM) kept in DNA chains of darkness.
If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever.
Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of ELOHIM(gods).
REPENT FALLEN ANGELS.
SCIENCE CAN NOW PLAY WITH THE GOD PARTICLES! THEY MAY NOT BE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE?
*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
The God particle is the Higgs boson. It has nothing to do with God. It is just a nickname that was given to the particle back when it was only theoretical.
GOD GAVE HUMANS A CHANCE TO GO TO HEAVEN.
SOME ANGELS DID NOT UNDERSTAND
AND REBELLED.
*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
Gods elect angels didn't rebel all is part of Gods plan
Who caused the rebellion then? Jesus calls Satan an enemy not a friend.
sounds like a 7th day adventist rejects jesus teaching of hell.
Actually it is a biblical teaching embraced by:
The Essenes who gave us the Dead Sea scrolls.
The church of England's John Stott
FF Bruce said its a biblical possibility
Edward Fudge
Clark Pinnock
The list goes on and on....
www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4988/t/is-the-devil-in-charge-of-hell-
Consider those verses and ask yourself, Is God really dealing with the problem of sin and evil permanently in your perspective?
Nonsense! This what happens when people who don’t know the biblical culture that informs these text.
Everyone knows how to explain the Bible, yet no one is keeping or do God's commandments. Nor even know who God's chosen people are. SMH.
If you watched the whole video, you would know he believes in teaching the law of God.*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content! Thanks friend.
Dear Gentlemen,
You are well educated on Scripture, but I believe that you are very mistaken about fallen angels and demons. Yeshua Ha Meshach (Jesus The Christ) tells us that evil spirits don't have bodies that can eat and be touched (Luke 24:36-43). Angels have bodies and can be touched and eat (Genesis 18:1-8). I believe that fallen angels are the powers and principalities that Michael the archangel had to aid an angel before delivering God's response to Daniel (Daniel 10:2-21). I believe that 1st Enoch is correct in reporting that demons are the spirits of the dead children of Fallen Angels and their human mothers (half angels) who wander the earth seeking bodies to inhabit (Luke 11:14-26). Demons cannot go to Hades as it is a human hell nor to Tartarus which is the hell for fallen angels (2 Peter 2:4) but to the hell called the pit or the abyss or the deep (Luke 8:27-33). I pray that this aids your quest for understanding. Shalom.
Post script:
All the hells will be cast into the lake of fire called Gehenna (Revelation 20:10-15). Shalom.
Your first error is believing anything the Apocrypha has to say, there is a reason it was removed from the other 66 canons of scripture. The Apocrypha contradicts and goes against the other 66 in many areas.
*don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
Dear brother,
I fear that Satan and his followers have greatly deceived you because of your ignorance of Scripture. First, 1 Enoch is quoted by Jude 14-15. 1 Enoch is listed as Pseudopigrapha, not as Apocrypha. There is a great abundance of ancient writings that contain a lot of truth. A mathematics book can contain truth, but not be Scripture. I understand why you believe in sola scriptoria and what you consider to be Cannon ( a reed used for measurements). I believe that everything God has spoken is Scripture ( perhaps not necessarily written in human language which script seems to indicate),but by every word God has spoken (Matthew 4:4). There are many books mentioned in the Old Testament from prophets and seers that we no longer have available. Please, please study the Scriptures that God has made available to you and do not make light of what God has revealed to others. The Holy Spirit is alive and well and dwells within all true believers, but few really spend time with Him to really learn. I do applaud your zeal, but you have much, much more to learn.
Shalom (God's Peace).
@@jimbobhirstyeshuaslave5860
Jude quotes from part of it as Paul quotes from pagan prophets. Some element of truth does not constitute accepting everything else in there.
The scriptures are enough and more than enough.
Mmmmmm….BS.
What a trunk of lies...
...do you know the word "fables" in the Bible?
refute it then. *don't forget to like and subscribe for more content friend!
@@anilkanda611 The Hebrew people began to accept the idea of a personification of evil only AFTER the exile in Babylon, learning a lot from Zoroastrian doctrines.
They never had the notion of a Creator God who battles against evil angels and traitors.
Even because, how could the Creator who knows everything and can everything and who created everything *including everything that is considered by us "evil" (Deu 28; Isa 44:24; Isa 45:7; Col 1:15-16), need an enemy that cannot defeat Him, cannot deceive Him, cannot disobey Him and has no power of creation (therefore, it has no power to create demons, diseases, pain, etc.).
The idea of the character who torments people is profitable and keeps people in fear when, in fact, evil ENTERED Eve, the first couple KNEW evil and both generated humanity by raising altars, having temples and priests as intermediaries between the men and The Creator.
This is so powerful that people are mired in lies and just don't realize it!
A good example of this is the Tower of Babel.
For people who understood that to be good, reaching the material heaven with works and material effort, Babel meant "Gateway of the Gods". For those on the outside who considered it nonsense, Babel meant "Confusion".
Exactly what all the religious systems on the map are.
All with fragments of the Truth and gods formed in the image and likeness of men.
All with pyramidal hierarchies (Gn 50:18-21; 1Sm 8:1-9; Ec 8:9; Jr 34:8-9; Mt 7:15, Mt 20:20-28, Mt 23:8-12; Mc 10:37-45; Lc 22:25-26; At 20:28-29; 1Co 12:28; 1Tm 2:7; 2Tm 1:11; Hb 13:7,17; 3Jo 1:1).
We must understand that The Creator is a SPIRIT.
Then that "HE" is in a different "realm" called eternity. Why?
Because there's no yesterday or tomorrow - everything is right NOW, immaterial, no time/space/matter.
BUT WE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT HERE is not like that.
The invisible created the visible and we are among BAD and GOOD.
Not the zoroastrian doctrine called dualism. But among a DUALITY.
Rules, codes, and processes were determined by The Creator from the start and this includes faith/actions/responses. Sin/actions/responses. Just like fire burns, water wets, etc.
So, all evil was made and was created by the SAME Creator as part of this dimension.
"And he said unto her, As one of the base women speaketh, speakest thou? Blessing, shall we accept from God, and, misfortune (EVIL), shall we not accept? In all this, Job sinned not with his lips." (Job 2:10)
"But he said to her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaks. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this Iyyov did not sin with his lips." (Job 2:10)
So, WHY did The Creator make all this?
So we can always CHOSE and love.
Love is only when voluntary and unconditional.
@@anilkanda611
It has been refuted by the Bible and by many preachers since EGW was a young woman until now. There is so much written to show this “doctrine of devils” is dangerous. Just because you don’t want to hear the refutations, doesn’t mean it hasn’t been refuted.
@@Helzermanable So basically you still don't have anything to contribute. Come back when you do.
@@anilkanda611
You should be aware I have contributed much on this video, but more importantly, you should consider what Christ contributed to this video. The verse that is used to extract a “war” to produce this video has everything imbedded in it to refute the video. Chapter 12 is about ISRAEL…..Judah brought forth the Messiah, He died on the cross for the sins of all of mankind, and ASCENDED to His throne where is is yet today. (v5)
Then in verses 7-10, a war happens where Satan can no longer accuse the Christians. That means the war mentions NOT pre-creation! Is will happen AFTER the ascension of Christ, and after Christians have been accused “day and night” already. Christians started at Pentecost and continue until now. Christians are still being accused day and night by Satan. There has not been any collective rejoicing by all the Christians that the trouble maker Satan has finished with his adversary against us. You know already that Satan is STILL accusing the brethren day and night.
Yes, the Bible stands against you and The Great Controversy book by EGW. According to Deuteronomy 18:21, 22, she is a false prophet who should not be respected. Please consider the Word of God, and turn to Christ ONLY for the remission of sin. He FINISHED all the work on the Cross to eradicate all sin. He is sitting on His throne, and waiting for you to come for Grace. Grace only comes from the Christ Who is sitting on His Throne, not from a christ that is standing somewhere and checking on your sins. That christ is Satan, who is always checking on your sin, so he can accuse you before God.
19:00 false teaching. The account of Saul and the witch of Endor proves WE are conscious after death.
Rich man and Lazarus in Luke also proof of life after death.
The martyrs in Revelation ask God when will He avenge them... more proof of life after death...
Notice I provided 3 examples of consciousness after death and this channel has provided 0 of "soul sleep"...
Repent and correct ur theology and stop pushing this false teaching.
God doesn't use witches and called it a transgression. God doesn't sin. That was a demon not Samuel.
*Don't forget to like and subscribe for more content. Thanks friend!
Arcgardian:
True. To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord. God is the God of the LIVING (says Jesus), not the God of the “sleeping”. Did you read that story in the Bible that is called the Transfiguration? God was with a living Abraham and a living Moses.
Jesus also spoke of a REAL MAN called Lazarus….he died AND was carried by the angels to Abraham….who we know is LIVING.
Luke 16:22 KJV
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was CARRIED BY THE ANGELS into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Some people say this is a parable, but we know parables do not have people with names. Stories with NAMES are historical. And there is one word that solidifies that truth: “lift”. That is an English word that means he is presently lifting “his eyes, being in torments”.
Luke 16:23 KJV
And in hell he LIFT up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
LIFT is neither past or future tense. It is present tense…..and in a continuous state of being. These 2 men ARE LIVING, one feeling enormous joy, comfort and peace; the other feeling enormous pain and thirst.
Cheers
@@Helzermanable God was with Elijah and Moses, not Abraham. That's a good point though.
@@anilkanda611 God uses anyone He wills to use. What evidence do you have that is was a demon? The texts say it was Samuel.
@@arcguardianyes. That is correct. Thanks for help. Elijah and Moses! My bad. I still believe Abraham is ALIVE, though, since Jesus said he was. Cheers
Bs,Bs, Bs..... you have to be a fool to believe anything this dude talking about.
You can disagree with him but you haven't disproved him.
@@anilkanda611 you can't disprove something that can't be proven real, that's why he can make up all kinds of bs and people like you won't question what you already want to believe is true.
@@anilkanda611 disprove there are no tooth fairies at war with pixies, that are fighting for our souls.