Didn't God know Satan would turn evil? Why did He create him? Listen to what this professor says!
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- Mindblowing insights!! Didnt God know the future of Satan before creating him? Why allow such a being to come to existence then? Check what this theologian says! *Anil Kanda interviews Professor Peckham
Good God? Evil World? How does it make any sense at all.
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I’ve been a longtime Christ follower but lately these questions brought up in this clip had been dwelling in my mind.
I never mentioned my questions or doubts to anyone nor searched for videos on this topic yet this clip showed up. Yahweh is real. He is alive. And he loves us all. This wasn’t a coincidence, instead it was his hand working to answer my questions and remove the doubt the enemy was trying to create within me.
Praise to our God almighty!
That’s great to hear! God knows what we need and we need to hear it
How would we know what love is unless we experienced hate? How would we know sweet from bitter? Light from dark? Etc. This life is a classroom, a learning experience for our growth
How do we know God is good if there is no evil. Lucifer was created good but some evil "whisper" him to be against God . Meaning God exist so does evil, together at the same time and same power as a balance, meaning Lucifer was not the first evil. Evil was there. So does the universe orbiting with magnetic balance not to collide.
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I don't love everyone and don't really hate someone. But I still know what love is, don't need to know hate for that.
What about those who die as babies; THEY didn’t “experience” hate. Do they go to heaven - if so, according to you they will not know what love is.
Satan is the temporary ruler of this world. ( Temptations in The wilderness) But the rightful ruler is set to return soon. And his name is Jesus Christ, our saviour.
I agree I believe there had to be a wilderness to know Glory of Love which God is Himself. The Jew were a nation showed the whole world of Unbelief then God step in by sending Jesus to die for all creation and becoming One Nation, One Baptism and One Faith.
It's called DIVINE SOVEREIGNTY. Thank Him for His Divine Sovereignty!!!!!
You can’t appreciate good without evil. When God is finished and all people realize good from evil, the in the end God will fill ALL IN ALL.
From evil comes sometimes the most beautiful acts from us brings out our strength our faith .
This is the most satisfying answer to me:
When one contemplates Love, it's obvious that Love cannot force itself on any other person. Therefore, in Love itself, there is the possibility of Ultimate Rejection. As soon as God creates another person (angel or human), he also creates the possibility of Rejection. If not, He would not be Love. Our entire endeavor is to choose which side to choose, Accept or Reject.
There are no sides to choose. God never created any men or angels. All three of these things, God, men, and angels are concepts men created, not the other way around.
@benphillips4081 that is your opinion which you are allowed to have. But deep down we all know that there is all creations have a creator. If you want to know God, ask Him to reveal himself to you. He will, if you want to continue to be arrogant in your ignorance, the truth will not be as gentle when it finds you.
So there is no free will, rather an ultimatum, since we were all forced to exist without consent in the first place
"God, men and angels are concepts men created"? Might want to edit that, as that is circular self defeating reasoning @benphillips4081
Ok... dude is explaining God's omniscience and love... being long suffering because He doeant want anyone, even the wicked to perish, yet... God already knows who will perish soooo.... if He already knows why tf is He being long suffering towards the wicked that prolongs and even creates the suffering of righteous believers? Seems a wee bit narcissisticly sado-masochistic to me...
This is why god gave man free will,how else would he give us a choice,he wants us to him voluntarily, not autonomons
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But if your god is omniscient, he knew before he created us every choice we would make, so we can ONLY choose what aligns with his omniscience; and that is NOT “free will”.
@@maggiebarrett7300 He knew, but he wanted a relationship not automotons , so sent a choice and it is a choice, man didn't know the future so it has always been free will.
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Correct.
GOD is the author, He has a plan. I believe He uses all that happens in His plan. When things happen that we do not understand, God may be using these things to fulfill His extremely complex plan so that we can be partakers of His ultimate kingdom where all such evil things will be no more.
Gods plan is all for his children that love want and need him when it’s complete everything will be the way he designed it. Perfect him loving us we loving him eternally . Thank you Jesus for loving and saving me through your death and resurrection see you soon 😊
To test our love and faithfulness to God for there will be a faithful few till end. His Grace and Mercy is unfathomable. His Ways are not our ways.
We have All misused our free will. ALL of US!!
Yes, and Satan is the symbol of that. Not the source.
Ok, well, guess what? God saw that coming, too. So, if he is omnipotent, he has accounted for that already. None of us chose to be here, so why are we held responsible for our failures? Maybe God shouldn't have reduced our life span to 120 years if he wanted us to learn all these lessons.
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Speak for yourself.
@@corrupted_realm I think your name says a lot about where your heart is. I have shared similar ideas that you have though in the past. Probably because my heart was in similar turmoil.
That’s an awesome parable. It shows that time will bring more souls to repentance (the good wheat). We have to wait until the harvest and let evil prevail temporarily, that way more souls will have the chance to get saved.
Respectfully I think there is a better answer. God doesn't give up foreknowledge of events in order to allow free will. He doesn't give it up at all. He allows evil to deepen the revelation of himself. Kind of a ying-yang thing. You know good better when you know evil. There's alot to this, but basically God allows evil to accomplish even greater good.
People shouldn't think they have those answers unless there in scripture.
Respectfully... The Bible is filled with accounts of God revealing his foreknowledge...
It's called prophecy...
A useful example, relative to this conversation, is the reading of the blessings and the curses over Israel, as they cross the Jordan.
"Follow this constrained ideology... And your troubles will be minimal and and you can live a peaceful life"
" Do whatever YOU think is right for YOU.... Misery and destruction will follow you all the days of your "shorter life." 😎
Or you can quickly read the passage at Ezekiel 3:16...
Then go back and read all three accounts of the Ten Commandments Covenant... Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy contain them. ...
The most useful foreknowledge ...
(Words from God's own Mouth ).. that any human can have access to.
BTW it only takes 80 hours to read the whole Bible.
Have a great day! 🙏🎉
@@johnjeffreys6440 People shouldn't think they can interpret the Scripture correctly
We can only understand the purest of joy after we have experienced the deepest destitution. We couldn't comprehend our new perfect bodies after death unless we had experienced physical pain in human form. We can't appreciate perfection much without having been raked through the muck a few times.
You mention the yin/yang, which is the "knowledge of good & evil" that is our self/dualistic/fallen/human/delusional little god nature...
Light doesn't dwell with dark, it displaces it. Additionally, Grace moves in Paradox... We are called to literally Exchange the negative feedback loop of our inherent self accusing & self atoning good works nature, for His Resurrected Life within us...
"Armageddon" being the great Unveiling of the spotless Bride of Christ, which is His manifest Resurrected Life (the ManChild) coming forth from within the soul of those who recognize and then endure the pangs of Jesus requisitely revealing us to our own self, yoked together withIn Him like two livestock yoked together pulling a plow on the narrow path across the valley of the shadow of death-to-self, and up the mount of transfiguration, through the straight & narrow gates into ever deepening union with & In Him... While living here on earth.
Your answer is a blessing, thanks for sharing!
Dr. Frank Turek alludes to this concerning the parable of the weeds and the wheat, but he illustrates it this way. People always want to know why God doesn't get rid of evil and so forth
but we as finite beings can't see the beginning from the end, so the way this gentleman illustrates pulling up the weeds can do more harm short term, Frank states God can see 10 maybe 20 years down the line so maybe he did or in fact didn't intervene to do something perhaps in your favor for a greater reason we can't see-I love this !
God has given us all an independent mind. True love does not manipulate other people. All have to choose for themself in life. We all reap what we sow.
Yup. God.. LOVE doesn't manipulate and control. It encourages free will to choose but we must be exposed to TRUTH. That's why the devil Satan is called a liar deceiver... manipulator who is only about his agenda. Control/ domination etc.
Such as earlier RCC and Islam etc. cults of various types in history.
If you are not an idi0t, you should know that your god only exists in your small brain.
The Bible is littered with God manipulating man.
Threatening to burn you in hell for an eternity if you don’t believe in fairy tales doesn’t sound much like love Fer f sake! 😂😂
@@MrBugPop it sure does not. But the point you are making comes from false doctrines. God has never had the intention to destroy as many as He could. The point you make come from those who have a false teaching. It is Satan’s way in scaring people away from God. And many believers have bit into this apple just like Even did in her days. The Bible says; God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that whosever Believe should have eternal life. If I was Satan I would twist God’s word to scare people away from God good intentions, ( Gospel ).
God does not need to take evil riches and give them to believers. He supplies all our needs according to his riches in glory, not out of.
Tell that to limbless children in Africa
It wouldnt mean much to God if he made us love & serve him. Its more precious to him the ones who choose him on their own ❤️
No one serves a master without the ever present threat of harm or eternal damnation. In the words of another abused soul, Tina Turner, “what’s love got to do with it!”
@@MrBugPop praying for you
@@ninarice5279 Don’t waste your words or breath or your reeking insincerity. Let’s be real. How many believers hedge their bets against an eternal damnation of hellfire and nashing of teeth? The fear of the lord is the thing…not love. ❤️
God is also courageous, he is not a coward that he cannot face reality, the truth that his creatures would rebel against him.
Jesus prayed when facing up to being crucified. "If it's possible let this cup pass from me, nevertheless not what I will, but your will be done!" There was a great incentive beyond the most evil ordeal,dying to save others, who would be his coming and present family.
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ this is precisely what my brother stumbles over. Nailed it!❗️❤💪🙏
What a good good God we serve 😢
Put a man in a room with no windows then command him not to open a window, how could he possibly disobey? Without choice there is no freedom.
Well said. Thank you & God bless you.
His ways are not our ways. Look at Joseph.....one could say God allowed him to be hated, thrown in a pit, sold as a slave, but God says No. He says, "you meant it for evil, but He for good". God works all things for good to those who love Him. Stay blessed!
God knew what sinful beings we would be but He’s love for us is Sooooool great, beyond words, that He still chose to create us.. so that we would come to know who He really is, so that we would repent of our sinful old selves and find life in Him.
For us to know Jesus Christ, the Anointed Holy High Priest.
The grace of God saves us, the mercy of God saves us.
If you question God’s love, ponder on why He created us, and know that He died for us..
We are nobody to question Almighty God
God made us to ask questions about Him-not skeptically.**Don't forget to like and subscribe for more! Thanks friend.
@@anilkanda611 read your Bible stop looking for reason to doubt God
Shouldn’t we ask for help understanding our questions on God as He meant for us to understand, that we may know the truth and our mindsets may become as God intended? We need His help in all ways and when we are confused but want to know the truth as He knows it, shouldn’t we ask the one who knows it and whom truth is itself?
“The bird’s song wove tales of distant meadows, Of sun-kissed petals and forgotten echoes. But love, coerced, can never truly bloom, For in captivity, even the sweetest notes turn gloom.”
There’s no love in coercion. True love is expressed in true freedom, where there’s freedom even to reject!
It's almost as if we need to all go through temptations as a form of catharsis, because only this way God can show us his grace and mightyness. The devil plays a role in this whole process of purification. Without having been through the whole experience we could always fall, as the devil and the demons, who were former angels, did. But after we go through this whole ordeal of free will and temptation we are not only truly saved, we also will never ever fall back into the temptation. It's like being a little rebellious child, and you only learn by touching the hot oven.
God does not make robots. Pro 16:4. Wickedness is answered already, it is a fool who still goes ahead and does it.
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This is so helpful!
Warned to look both ways before crossing the street. Some people cross without looking both ways and get hit by a car. Most will know that they should have checked for traffic. A few will actually blame the car.
This was great! My son ask questions like this all the time and I wonder too at times. Thanks for clarifying.
Glad it was helpful!
Well spoken!!
GREAT EXPLANATIONS
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Isaiah 45:3 speaks of a transference of riches from the heathen to the righteous...I will give you the treasures of darkness and the riches hidden in secret... I receive this for my household in Jesus' name. Amen!
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RC Sproul said it beautifully and biblically. "Evil is not good, but it is good there is evil else evil would be in a universe created and governed by a good, holy righteous God"
Revelation 4:11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
The Bible is the most profound book ever written and it necessarily has to be since God, through His Son and the Holy Spirit are trying to explain the deepest lessons using limited human languages.
Even we, sometimes prefer to communicate inner thoughts to our closest friends just by looking the other in the eyes.
But in a book, everything has to be expressed in words. If you think yourself capable of deep understanding, the Bible will humble you. Just like God humbled Job in the end, asking him pages of questions with not a single one he can ever answer.
God knew what Lucifer would do before he did. It’s all part of God’s plan.
So his fall is also part of gods plan
I believe God didn't know that the devil would rebel against him or that Adam/Eve would disobey him by eating from the forbidden fruit. I also believe God gave us all free will and he doesn't know the future ending of each person.
The right answer is that no creation can sin in Heaven. As it's Holy. It was totally unexpected thing that these fallen angels created unique mindset and wrong thought of going against His Law. The very next second he was thrown away. It's the perfect Revelation God gave me. Even John Bunyan mentioned in his book, ( Vision of hell and heaven). So human gets several chances in earth bcos earth is polluted but Heaven was and is clean and Holy and angels thoughts are very humble, Holy and abiding to His law.
Very interesting
I think so too!
I am not exactly sure but have watched and listened to several different discussions now regarding Lucifer becoming satan. there is much assumption about this although it really isnt specifically mentioned in the Bible. Sort of like how the term "anti-christ" does not appear in the book of Revelation, but it is assumed by most people that it does.
As far as this question pertaining to God's foreknowledge about Lucifer's fall (whether Lucifer is indeed satan or not), I have come to understand that it goes back to our free will and the free will given to His celestial beings. You could easily ask "Why would God create Adam & Eve (or all of humanity) if He knew beforehand that man too would sin and break His commandment to not eat of the Tree of Knowledge.
Without free will there is no legitimate love. God is the be all and end all so whatever choices his celestial or earthly family to sin or rebel against Him, ultimately He is still the all knowing and will prevail regardless of how much sin and rebellion against him occurs. It's why it even makes sense that He has allowed satan and demons to roam about tempting man and causing sin, because God makes good from evil and man is to be tested and tried thoroughly.
After 1/3rd of God's celestial family rebelled against Him, and then He made mankind who rebelled against Him, this final conflict that brings us to the end of days is the third trial that will once and for all decide who will love and obey God and become His eternal family once and for all. The truth is this is all He really wanted initially, God doesnt need anything or anyone, but He wants that ultimately wants His true loving family.
Thats the best of my knowledge and understanding of this subject, I share this humbly and appreciate any additional insights anyone else can offer because I am well aware that there is likely much more to this all.
It's a pretty good answer.
I learnt long ago that there are question which no one can answer.
God never created man to go to hell. But some people will still go there anyways. That is the power of free will. Love is not forced!
No one has free will except God. That's why you don't know how to answer that question. When you believe God and realize that we don't have free will, God's word will make sense.
Thank you! That first answer made laugh out loud! That was SO incredibly stupid I couldn’t believe what he said 😂
“…use his foreknowledge EACH TIME”??? So he does not even know what omniscience means 😮
This is part of God plan to test the individual to find out who is good and who’s evil.
if God is omniscient what is the test for. The answer is already known.
Why was Abraham faith being tested. If God is omniscient and know the answer, its a cruel thing to do to Abraham heart. If people in this decade and have the same dream like Abraham will not sacrifice the son. If God is not omniscient, he is selfish and want all human to praise and respect him.
@@indrap878 The God is here to test, we will find out why test was necessary in afterlife. You may chose not to believe but the test started as we born.
What about those who die as babies; THEY weren’t “tested”.
If you died as a baby obviously he has not tested you.
@@afacan33family53 So do those who die as babies go to heaven; if so, the justification for your god’s plan to “test the individual” falls apart if babies can go heaven despite NOT having been tested.
I heard someone say Lucifer is Gods shadow. I don’t know what to think about that but it’s an interesting thought
Didn't he know when he made mankind steward of his planet, they wouldn't want the job.
It sees that being good is boring !!!! Therefore the Almighty wanted to see some action ....
Consider God created a process not just beings...He separated dark from light in creation and calls us to separate ourselves from darkness to be with Him. He is truly light and love without darkness and none can be in His presence without His cleansing...lucifer and others separated into darkness. We get a choice and are shown how to go one way or the other for eternity. God's endgame as we know it.
What about those who die as babies; THEY didn’t “get a choice”.
yes God is love,God allows every creature to have free will, the rule of God is love (his moral law) Lucifer had a choose to obey but didn't.
This proff gives a very good answer. Freewill. However, it doesn't explain where the devil comes from. That would reveal the truth about it so we wouldn't need to ask another.
The Bible does reference that topic in a few places. Satan is a creation of God that at some point was able to choose to rebel against him. A fallen angel. The Catholics have a lot of extra information about that. Much of it from Exorcists.
The journey of Israel with their God clearly enlightens the reader with the knowledge that this planet is literally entertainment for their God, and because The Lord God of Israel is a Good God, He started feeling sorry for the innocent creatures amongst the wicked. But the rules He provided them with, ended up being to difficult to obey.
Sorry, I didn't watch this video, but wanted to answer that man's question
Lucifer is only mentioned once in the Bible in Isaiah 14:12 KJV
The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” means “shining one.” The Septuagint uses the Greek word that means “bringer of dawn.” Hence, some translations render the original Hebrew “morning star” or “Daystar.” But Jerome’s Latin Vulgate uses “Lucifer” (light bearer), and this accounts for the appearance of that term in various versions of the Bible.
Lucifer is referring to The King of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar.
The Bible says, down to the grave he will go. Isaiah 14:15.
Satan isn't going to the grave, he's very active, and Jesus will soon destroy him completely.
God didn't make Satan. He made himself.
The angels and us have free will.
He was a beautiful spirit son of God with a special privilege of looking after the garden of Eden.
He covered the worship that was to go to God. His greed grew, and we're living with his hatred.
A baby isn't born a murderer or a thief, but grows up and chooses to do so, even though he may come from a very loving, wealthy family.
FREE WILL.
If God killed Adam and Eve, how many more Adam and Eves would he have to go through until they were faithful?
God has the power to know everything, but some things he chooses not to forsee.
He is JUST, and his ways are MUCH HIGHER than ours.
If he killed Satan, all the other angels were watching, so how was God going to handle it?
If you have a child in school who says he knows more than the teacher, the teacher could just put him outside, but what would the other kids think? He's knows better?
No, the teacher asks him to come up to the blackboard and let him work it out math. He can't.
Proving the teacher knows more.
God has done the same with Satan. He knows his time is short.
How disgraceful to turn your back on God, and cause us so much pain.
It's the biggest court case in history.
Time is needed to prove he is a liar.
In Job cht 1. We read how Satan challenged God's right to rule, not his power.
So God has allowed time to pass to prove once and for All, only he is the rightful ruler.
Because God is the master author
Satan is a character
In the story of life on earth
We don't have free will.
Exactly God wants people to worship him out of their free will he does not want
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I could never "worship" any "god" that wants to be worshipped! What kind of lunatic demands to be worshipped?
This brings up an interesting question, using the example of Judas; given God knew Judas’ character and that he would ultimately betray Jesus, why did he continue to give him opportunities to come to faith? Certainly not for God’s direct benefit in this instance, so then either it was for Judas in some way for the day of judgement, or there is a greater good that is satisfied by letting some people reject God. It’s all very interesting to consider.
We actually don’t have free will ; our existence here is for experience enlightenment and understanding
Iif God goes by the standard of prematurely rooting out evil then even the best of us would be found guilty. No wonder the final judgement of satan would be after we have used up all the time to accept salvation because when God judges, He judges all with no preferential treatment. Hence He is a just God
Of course God knew. 6,000 years ago when he created all of the souls of men and all of the angels... He had absolute knowledge of the outcome. The only possible way to create beautiful things was this process.... We are being created into something we haven't even grasped the concept of.
God could only know if you knew as god only exists in your mind.
God knew he gave free choice and leaves the choice to us, it’s like signing a prenuptial contract which no one wants to do, that contract says you’re going to cheat, God gave a free will and a choice to know.
Where did God, Jesus, or the disciples ever call Satan Lucifer in the Bible ? Satan has always been Satan. Never Lucifer.
Right you are. Satan is never called Lucifer in scriptures. Isaiah 14 is directed to the king of Babylon who thought he was a god. It says so right at the beginning. Some people just won’t believe scripture over traditions and dogma.
@DudeUSA Right, Nebuchanezzer was the one who got lifted up and full of himself. All you have to do is go back a fee verses to get the context. Like the scripture says....is this the MAN who didst weaken the nations ? Last I checked, Satan is not a man but a Spirit.
Wow!wow! All these comments prove one thing for certain. People need to read Gods word. It would help if they knew his attributes. He does nothing outside of who he is. It is amazing to hear the assumption of free will through uninformed creatures God made. Isaiah 45:7. God does everything for his good will and pleasure. God sits on the throne alone. Take the time( a lifetime to get a glimpse of who he is. Why would you blindly worship and believe in something without knowing who he is.
I have heard one preacher in my life talk about when Lucifer fell from his station and took a third of angels with him, God has not yet made man. When he made man. The deceiver deceived, man sinned fell from the perfect relation with God. Being omniscient God made a way for man to be redeemed. Angels are created but they are different from man. I may not be telling this as well as the pastor but ... Through mankind's redemption through Jesus, it is a damning testament/ judgment if you will to Satan/fallen angels to God's goodness, justice, holy righteousness in what happened to them in their rebellion. They had a choice. Now " the prince of the air" temporary ruler,is that lion seeking whom he may devour. All who reject Christ will be in the same condemned condition as fallen angels. Free will. God is all powerful yet He allows for truth to be rejected not that it's His desire for that. God is a loving God. That does not negate His Holiness nor righteous character. Never really have heard anything like that but if ANYTHING the estate of the rebellious Lucifer & the fallen ones at end will have their place as all who have rejected God. Without excuse. God will be found equitable & true. Always
Love is also proven in the face of evil
Risk in love.
Romans 11:33-36 comes to mind as well as Romans 9:14-23
Melchichisidek has his piece of me.
FREE WILL.
Yes.
He will not be that perfect God if He is not fair or controlling of His created creatures
In order to have everlasting life you absolutely must trust in the person and finished work of Christ alone for salvation ❣️ this means that saving repentance is turning from unbelief to belief.
Amen. And it results in evidence of the transformation that takes place at the born again experience. Works are the evidence of salvation not the means by which we are saved. Praise God
@@lovegod8582 That is just backloading works into the gospel and attributing them to God.
Works cannot prove your salvation anymore than having red blood cells proves your human.
All works can prove in an already saved person is their level of Christian maturity, nothing else.
Isaiah 55:8-13
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the LORD for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.
Glory to Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
I think God creating Lucifer who fell and became Satan was instrumental in creating free human beings with real choice. God couldn't actually know us unless we were free to choose something that opposes his will...God had a desire to create humans with free will...it was a gift but a gift that came with a price.
Is there a full video link?
Lucifer IS the Angel of Light . The reference in the Bible has been misunderstood, a case of mistaken identity by readers. It was referring to the King not to Lucifer.
Q. How does one truly ascertain that a person is Not a thief?
1. Make a person, educate him in Law, who then devises words to punish whoever does the act in any scenario.
2. Then a person to arrest that individual with any evidence available.
3. Then a Court where another person sits to imprison or punish him. A security guard to hold him.
4. A person who builds a prison to make him serve the sentence.
The over riding in all this is the "first Law" that stealing is criminal. All else follows after.
So God let the Criminal Satan exist because he deals with all those who are like Satan, do sin, vice, crime & bad, mislead, cheat, decieve, break all God's Laws in Scripture.
Satan The Master Criminal deals with all Criminals Sinners Vice Bad of the World, great job !!!
Satan is subservient to God...get it !!!
Foreknowledge, ok. But HOW could evil/sin have happened in Heaven!?
I have listened to so many Christians, first of all I am Christian and totally believe in God, but where is written that God gave human, even angels free will, where is written this has become another go to for us Christians, the best is we doubt why he let Satan or lucifer to act the way he acted yet God knew way before everything, we do t know otherwise we shall become liars
When god said let there be light. There was light. Light was only possible because of the darkness. Good is only possible because of the evil. Love is only possible because of hate. Without darkness, hatred, evil there’s no reference. There would be no light, love, or good. It would all just be the same, it would all be nothingness.
It seems to me that before God created Satan, or before Satan fell, there was no "Good," if what you're saying is true??? I don't buy that. Maybe in our limited capacity for understanding, we wouldn't recognize Good without the evil, and visa virsa.
Yes I agree due to our limited capacity of understanding we wouldn’t recognize good without evil. So in reference to why Satan exists this is why I think. But before Satan I think God created evil when he created good and Satan was the first to discover evil. I don’t think Satan created evil. I think only God can create. Like how Eve discovered sin when she ate from the forbidden fruit.
He wants those of the Light - so there has to be darkness and those that choose darkness over His Light.
He makes the cut in harvest.
He wants those that vehemently turn their back on sin and selfishness in order to be like Christ.
God Bless all those that reject sin and overcome the world.
People shouldn't think they have those answers unless there in scripture.
@@johnjeffreys6440 everything I said above is from the scripture, isn’t it?
@@matthewstokes1608 I think I was cutting and pasting without really reading them except for the first one.
@@johnjeffreys6440 well you’re right of course - but I was trying to stay very true to what is said in the Holy Bible - as I am a devout Christian.
Anyway, God Bless
Wise investment. Did you struggle to give up any vices to become devout?
Gold is valuable right out of the ground; but, only through the fire can it reach its true value. YHWH isn't looking for Stepford wives. He wants a bride that had every opportunity to betray Him, and yet remained faithful. Ofcourse, all of us have betrayed Him, but it's what happens within our hearts through His love and mercy that determines if we love Him back or are just unrepentant harlotrous gold diggers. Eve wasn't satisfied living in Paradise while ruling the world with the perfect man - Satan just gave her the nudge, like that single miserable 'friend' of a wife that's always trying to tell the wife that her husband is no good and how she needs to leave him.
In order for God to give us free will evil must exist it is up to us to choose the right path .
Hard to get tested if there is nothing to strive against right? I sure do look forward to being in heaven.
@@KOH777-gp6ut Yes ! We must do our best to follow in the footsteps of Christ no matter how impossible it is. He deserves our love! As a sinner I hope Jesus welcomes me to join him in eternity and I hope my loved ones will meet me there as well.
@@joshlheureux1194 The prayers of a sibling in Christ :) I'm so glad it is him we rely on; rather than ourselves.
So is there free will in heaven; if so, according to you there must be evil in heaven.
@@maggiebarrett7300 God is the Absence of evil so no heaven has no evil. And Hell is the absence of God.
God knows there has to be a hell , the evil can’t go to heaven, it has to be.
Satan questioned the first perfect creation and God's ways, so that through this heaven and thus earth we could all see and know the only way that is good for all people is the LOVE of God in us through free will. When the end of time comes and there is a new heaven and a new earth. No one will have to question if God's way is best anymore, there will be a pillar of smoke that accends forever and ever as a record of what happens when the Lord God Almighty is not being reveared as he should in his infinite power wisdom. This is then an infslable kingdom built through freewill lessons through this life..
Glory, Praise, Thanks and Honour to, through, in as is in me YAH ABBA forever and ever Amen...
GOD created all creations beautiful..but he give us the freewill on how to live..but he want us to choose life.
Gen 1:31 EasyEnglish God looked at everything that he had made. And he saw that it was very good. Evening passed. And then it was morning. This was the sixth (6th) day.
Deuteronomy 30:19
Today, I want the sky and the earth to hear my words. I am shouting them aloud. For I have offered you, life or death, good things or bad things. Choose life! If you do that, you and your children will live.
Satan is not evil per say
He is JEALOUS
He is knowledgeable of evil
And knows that disobeying the law, gets you condemned
Which is why he tempts man, with evil
Revelation 4:11 Thou art worthy, O LORD, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. So GOD created evil for HIS Pleasure to serve HIM, even in satan's rebellion he does not have free will like human beings he has to serve at GOD's Pleasure!🙌
But millions have died and will die and go to hell. So for God to eventually have a group of people that will truly choose and love him he would sacrifice millions of others in the name of free will?
I don’t think so.
I just don’t believe while we are here on planet earth only being able to see in part as Paul says will we be able to answer this question.
His ways are above ours and he is outside of time and we are stuck in it.
In heaven, there’s perfection. If you ever have been in the presence of God, it’s perfect. You don’t want it to go away. You could stay there forever. How in the world could Lucifer or anybody get evil in any way when they are in the presence of God, which is perfection?
Mind blowing!
„I am the Alpha and the Omega”
Means he is the beginning and the end (and we are all that in between metaphorically speaking in the sense of a free will).
He decided the start and the end. All that in between we all can do whatever we want on the free will basis if we want (we can even use our free will by deciding to put our will under Gods will if we want to).
Playground it is.
We come from God and we will end in God. That’s a fact. So no matter what we do or what happens, in the end of all ends we will all come back to him.
We didn’t have free will at the very beginning. We won’t have free will at the end. Because he is the Alpha and the Omega. But we have free will all the time between the beginning and the ending.
Most Angels decided to put their free will choice possibility under God’s choice (aka stayed there, never used it). Some Angels decided to take on the free will and explore what they can do.
God won’t interfere if not asked for: asked by us or by someone asking for us.
OR satan is NOT a literal, cognitive, being, but rather a spirit people can fall prey to. I don’t believe the story of a fallen satan, along with a third of the angels, to be literal.
can you stated this claim or back it up a little bit explaination?
@@troyjoshuasalomon9361
The depiction of Satan as a literal, cognitive entity with agency raises several logical and theological problems. These inconsistencies can be addressed by considering Satan as a symbolic representation rather than a literal being. This argument will explore the implausibility of a literal Satan and his fallen angels in light of their supposed knowledge and actions, draw parallels to Greek mythology, and emphasize the allegorical role of Satan in biblical scripture, particularly in the story of Job.
1 The Knowledge and Agency of Fallen Angels
Absolute Knowledge of God:
Angelic Cognition: If Satan and the third of the angels that fell with him were real, cognitive entities, they would possess an absolute knowledge of God, His omnipotence, and their inability to defeat or overthrow Him. Unlike humans, who live in a world of faith and mystery, these angels would have no doubt about God's existence and supreme power.
Illogical Rebellion: Given their knowledge, it is irrational to assume they would choose to rebel against an omnipotent deity they knew they could never defeat. This rebellion would be an act of sheer futility, inconsistent with the depiction of angels as intelligent beings.
Human Comparison:
Human Perspective: Humans operate in a realm of uncertainty and faith, making choices without absolute knowledge of divine realities. This context provides a plausible framework for moral and spiritual struggles.
Angelic Perspective: Angels, however, would operate with complete certainty. Their rebellion, therefore, lacks the existential struggle and uncertainty that characterize human sin and rebellion, making their story less credible within the framework of biblical theology.
2 Parallels to Greek Mythology
Greek Mythological Themes:
Titans vs. Olympians: The narrative of powerful beings rebelling against a supreme deity is reminiscent of Greek mythology, where the Titans, despite their formidable power, ultimately fail to overthrow the Olympian gods. This mythological framework is fundamentally different from the biblical worldview.
Mythological Influence: The story of Satan and his fallen angels, as traditionally understood, aligns more closely with these mythological themes than with the theological principles of monotheism and divine omnipotence central to the Bible.
Theological Implications:
Divine Sovereignty: The biblical God is depicted as sovereign and unchallenged, unlike the gods of Greek mythology, who often face significant threats and conflicts from other deities. The idea of a significant and futile rebellion by Satan and his angels undermines the biblical portrayal of God's unchallenged supremacy.
3 The Allegorical Role of Satan in Scripture
Representing Opposition:
Symbol of Adversity: In the Bible, Satan functions as a symbol of anything that opposes God or good. This representation aligns with the use of "satan" in the Hebrew Bible, where it denotes an adversary or accuser, not a specific malevolent being.
Moral and Spiritual Lessons: By viewing Satan allegorically, his role becomes a teaching tool for understanding the nature of evil, temptation, and the moral challenges humans face, rather than a literal account of a celestial rebellion.
The Story of Job:
Heavenly Court: In the Book of Job, Satan appears in the heavenly court, conversing with God and proposing a test of Job's faith. This setting contradicts the notion of Satan as a fallen angel cast out of Heaven. Instead, it suggests a symbolic adversary within the divine order, functioning to test and challenge human righteousness.
Allegorical Interpretation: The dialogue between God and Satan in Job can be seen as an allegory for the trials and tribulations that test human faith. Satan's role as the "accuser" highlights the existential and moral struggles faced by believers, rather than depicting a literal being engaged in a cosmic wager.
4 Theological Consistency and Rational Coherence
Consistency with Divine Attributes:
Omnipotence and Omniscience: Viewing Satan as a symbolic figure maintains the consistency of God's attributes of omnipotence and omniscience. It avoids the theological paradox of a futile and irrational rebellion by fully knowledgeable beings.
Human Free Will: The allegorical interpretation supports the concept of human free will and moral agency, emphasizing the choices individuals make in their spiritual journey.
Rational Coherence:
Logical Integrity: The allegorical approach offers a more logically coherent understanding of the biblical narrative, avoiding the contradictions inherent in the literal interpretation of Satan and his angels.
Spiritual Application: This perspective provides a meaningful and applicable framework for interpreting the role of evil and opposition in the spiritual lives of believers, focusing on the internal and external challenges to faith and righteousness.
5 Conclusion
The view of Satan as a literal, cognitive entity with agency is fraught with logical and theological inconsistencies. By considering Satan as an allegorical representation, we gain a more coherent and consistent understanding of his role in the Bible. This interpretation aligns with the nature of divine sovereignty, provides a rational framework for understanding spiritual adversity, and maintains the integrity of the biblical narrative. In conclusion, the allegorical interpretation of Satan offers a robust and theologically sound perspective that enhances our comprehension of the spiritual and moral lessons embedded in Scripture.
Additionally:
Church Fathers Who Viewed Satan as Metaphorical
1. Origen of Alexandria (185-253 AD)
Known for his allegorical interpretation of Scripture, Origen often saw biblical figures and narratives, including Satan, as symbolic representations of deeper spiritual truths rather than literal historical entities.
2. Gregory of Nyssa (335-395 AD)
Gregory, a Cappadocian Father, was known for his mystical theology and allegorical exegesis. He often emphasized the symbolic and spiritual meanings of biblical texts, including the portrayal of evil.
3. Augustine of Hippo (354-430 AD)
Although Augustine acknowledged the existence of Satan, he also employed allegorical interpretations extensively. His writings suggest that he viewed many biblical descriptions, including those of Satan, as symbolic of broader spiritual and moral realities.
4. Clement of Alexandria (150-215 AD)
Clement was a proponent of allegorical interpretation and sought to find deeper, spiritual meanings in biblical texts. His approach often saw figures like Satan as symbols for abstract concepts such as evil and moral opposition.
5. John Cassian (360-435 AD)
A monk and theologian, Cassian’s writings on spiritual theology and moral struggle often utilized allegorical interpretations. He viewed spiritual warfare, including references to Satan, as symbolic of internal moral battles.
6. Theodore of Mopsuestia (350-428 AD)
Known for his historical-critical approach, Theodore also incorporated allegorical interpretations in his exegesis. He often regarded biblical references to Satan as symbolic representations of evil and human sinfulness.
These Church Fathers, among others, contributed to a tradition of allegorical and metaphorical interpretation within early Christian theology. Their views reflect a broader understanding of biblical texts that emphasizes symbolic and spiritual meanings over literal historical accounts.
So God knew everything in all time except Lucifers heart, and that God its self would make a second covanant.. yeah no conflicts in that human construct..
I can keep going but only bad people need to play it that way.
In order for the Universe to be created in the first place, God would have had to have been Omnipotent. However Omni potency would have made God too powerful against the rest of his creation. He had to cease being omnipotent to allow free will to reign instead. However Lucifer didn't like the idea of losing some of his own powers and authority over his own Angels. That's where the problems started, instead of embracing solutions and a decentralized system he went against the grain, and carried out harsh MRNA mutations against people 1000's of years ago, when science was much further ahead than it is today.