Excuse me? No Superstars? Boy you were born in the wrong era. Ben Wallace on defense was Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain of that time period. Sheed offensively and defensively killed it. Chauncey Billups, definitely a superstar back then. Richard Hamilton in his PRIME. Don't come around here saying "there's no superstars on the 2004 Pistons" boy I'll make a basketball outta yo momma, dunk her and watch her roll out on the floor like a pancake. Ignorance is NOT always bliss. Thank you and good day
No superstars huh? Easy buddy, eaaaasy. Billups, Sheed, Big Ben, Rip Hamilton, Tayshawn Prince. All of which are the reason they won that championship. So.... neither of those guys are superstars?? Hmmmm I beg to differ good sir.
If you watch the end of the 2004 regular season game between the Nets and Pistons, the Nets celebrate scoring 71 points to break the Pistons defensive record streak of holdings teams under 70 pts. The Nets lost, yet still celebrated liek they won. So yes, teams were afraid of Detroit.
Why do older generations not take into account it’s a lot more scoring on the other side regardless of rules or era. Curry kd klay nd that bench is not the nets 🤣🤣
@Jake.jakefrmstatefarm it's not about a older generation. It's about something called defense. Yall get bored with defense plays and like when a team shoots 6000 threes. Look at the twolves how they man handled the suns. Those defenders on the pistons were like the spurs too. Lock down.
@lorenzotheman1 the spacing in the early 00s isn't how it is today the warriors will cook them are we forgetting those same pistons had trouble against popovich ball movement in the finals
I can't ride with Bonzi on his comment when he told Sheed that the '04 team wasn't that good. They were good enough to give the Lakers a gentleman's sweep. This is coming from a Lakers fan.
I don't think people realize how good and discipline the detroit pistons was on defense they held NBA teams to under 70 points for several consecutive games that's extremely tough, detroit beat kobe and shaq lakers!
They not holding the warriors to 70 points bro. You have to be drunk. Back in the day spacing was horrible, PnRs weren’t that much of a threat and no one shot the 3 with volume. GSW would wash them boys, it wouldn’t even be fair
@@givenchyoverall Nope. Sheed is correct in what he saying. The defense the Pistons played was on another level. Draymond would get dominated by Sheed or Ben Wallace. Draymond couldn't deal with either of them.
Nah Zeke hating lol. Talking about they legacy was going to be tarnished, if I'm the warriors I'm calling out that bs, worry about your own legacy don't talk about what could've maybe happened if someone didn't join my team lol
Defensively sure. Offensively though? Sheed can say they sacrificed point for team, but the crappy FG% don’t add up. Normally if Chauncey is sacrificing points for team then that means he is sacrificing total shots for more quality shots. Chauncey couldn’t even make 40% of his shot that year.
@AAblade7 respectfully I cant even call you a nerd because you’re not good in logic. The 2000s era was the deadball era, meaning defense was at an all time peak. Which means the 04 pistons were the 17 warriors, on defense. That low fg % from Chauncey is a result of him making his opponent shoot even lower than he did. You expend energy on both ends of the court. 30ppg Zack Lavine for example would barely crack 20ppg 20 years ago. Don’t believe me? He’s not even half the player Kobe was but his numbers are inflated today, and he only plays one end of the court. Which means he’s 33% the player Kobe was in reality.
@@adamfeliciano6321 First off do you understand what context or qualifiers means? Cause you didn’t even read them based on this answer. So sure the logic doesn’t make sense when you have barely half the information. Chauncey’s FG% was low for his era especially 03-04. Like I said before his numbers were below avg for his era. So why you decided to claim it was in context to a more modern era or randomly bring in Zach Lavigne that’s on you. Also if you actually watched that season you’d know the reason why Chauncey FG% was so down was because he couldn’t hit a mid range to save his soul whether he was fresh at the start or tired at the end. Also Yes I agree that the 04 pistons were amazing on the defensive side of the ball. On the other the 17 warriors were also elite defensively. The 04 pistons were mid offensively in 04 and are arguably the worse offensive team to win a finals since the NBA/ABA merged. So someone trying to tell me one team elite on only 1 side of the ball and mid on the other is going to beat a team that was elite on both sides just preaches delusion.
That Pistons team came in and shutdown the All-stars in that All-star game.... defense changes everything and most don't understand that if you make someone uncomfortable , off ballance , forcing certain things over time it will indeed make a difference. and rules then and now makes everyone think today's NBA is so skilled.
Do you think anyone was comfortable when the warriors had the ball? Also I remember watching that 03-04 pistons and nobody in their right mind thought they played a quality team style basketball. Sheed can talk team centric offense or that they were using offense to wear down the other team. It doesn’t change the fact that they struggled to create quality shot opportunities.
If THEY STRUGGLED wtf was the league doing 😂 people hate the pistons style of play and the fact that they've ALWAYS done more with waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy less ❤@@AAblade7
@@lumilikha yeah I remember Hamilton as an offball player. He was pretty awesome, but if you watch his games he wasn’t creating as much distance off screens that Curry can. Similarly I remember Clyde the glide being a amazing finisher, but I’m never going to say he was on Jordan’s level. Their are levels to this. Sheed seems to forget this.
Bonze saying nobody was scared of the Pistons?!? Lmao that’s a lie. 04 pistons held teams under 70 what, 6 in a row? And Pacers celebrated when they got over 70 at the last second even though they lost by 20 lmao.
Man Sheed and Bonzi is real ogs talking ball They not trying to go viral with no narratives just talking hoop like everybody at home. Gil's arena be trying to hard with the dramatic hot takes.
Touché but Golden state wasn’t missing a bunch of shots. I think it would be a good series because there’s mismatch problems on GS side. They are focusing on the points per game, but the game changed since then as far as scoring pace. Hmmmm
@@Skedoosh99 Steph has went cold in some series. That’s one reason why the Cavs came back from 3-1 on them. Steph wasn’t shooting well. KD can be slowed down with physicality. We saw that in the Boston vs Bklyn series. KD did give PJ Washington work in the Milwaukee series, but PJ is only 6’4. You could see KD was getting tired. If PJ was at least 6’7 he would have slowed KD down in that Brooklyn vs Milwaukee series. Klay is largely a spot up shooter who needs screens and mismatches. He’s not really someone who is good at going off the dribble like Steph or KD. Detroit had length and elite defenders. But that could make it hard for GS. Only issue is Detroit didn’t have elite offensive fire power. RJ was their best scorer them Sheed. But they aren’t dudes like Steph or KD, who can easily give you 40. That why Draymond saying they beat the 96 Bulls is lunacy. They were probably even better defensively than Detroit, which is tough and they had better offensive players. Shyt Ron 1:06 Harper averaged 21 ppg his rookie year in Cleveland, same as Lebron. Not saying he’s nearly as good, but boy was a problem before that knee injury. That’s why MJ wanted him, he used to be one of his toughest match ups along with Joe Dumars. He was a solid 3 & D type. Then you had Kukoc, who was an averaging close to 20, when MJ left. He was the 6th man. Pippen could give you that work. He’s virtually unstoppable in the open floor. Rodman and Longley not so much, but nor was Draymond & Bogut. At least Rodman will get you a ton of offensive rebounds and 2nd chance points.
@@Skedoosh99Right. If Klay, Steph and KD hitting them jumpers…it’s a wrap. Rip Hamilton couldn’t stop Klay. Tayshawn could slow KD down but he’s not stopping him from getting 20. Chauncey ain’t locking Steph down. 🤷🏾♂️
Billups giving you 20 or less no matter who guarding him. He was not a scorer by any means. Stop. Mean while prime steph giving him a efficient 40 ball all while shimming every where. Lol
Sheed speaking truth all day. Those Pistons locked down the high scoring Lakers in the finals in 2004. They would have forced the Warriors into shooting horrible shots. Different eras, but defense still wins games!
The Pistons wouldn't even beat the 2022 GSW let alone the Warriors squad with KD. These false narratives need to stop. Wasn't this the same Pistons team that ended up getting embarrassed by a LeBron led Cavs squad. Now fast forward and we see what the Warriors with KD did to an even better LeBron lead Cavs squad... 4-1 and 4-0. The Pistons would be lucky to get one game off the Dubs.
@@MrSweatLeisureKD and Russ had em down 3-1 and harden with old cp3 was on verge of beating the warriors I like my chances with piston beating either team with or without KD Gs dominated weaker competition if we being fr all great teams like spurs grizz faded out the picture
@Owatupcuz You play who you play when they come up on the schedule. We could use that argument for just about any team in any era. Even the Rasheed Pistons won by beating an aged "superteam" with past their primes (Malone and GP). Then couldn't even repeat on that one championship. They're essentially on par with last year's Nuggets, the Bucks and the Greek Freak, and Garnett, Pierce, Allen Celtics with their one chip. Meanwhile, GS repeated and won 4 in a 9 year span. Why is this even a conversation.
@@MrSweatLeisure they couldn’t repeat because the competition was wayy stronger than it is now cores don’t stay together build more chemistry and coaches get fired every 2-3 years
@@MrSweatLeisure why this even conversation cuz GS dominated a weaker era we serious rn James harden led rockets took em 7 games we don’t take harden serious , if you place that warriors team in 2000s and 90 they be lucky enough to get two rings not even joking games was played wayy different and teams that won 50 games was a 8th seed they even had chance make the finals lol
I’m a lakers fan who watched that 04 Pistons team end the dynasty. That 17 warriors team beats them in 5. The lakers were a dysfunctional mess. If that 04 pistons team saw them in 02, the lakers crush them.
As a die hard Laker fan and I'm 42 years old, every time Lakers played the Trailblazers it was scary. Young Rasheed, Pippen, Bonzi, Steve Smith, Sabonis, Stoudamire had fire power up the ying yang. One of the best teams that never won a chip. Draymond swears his Warriors were world beaters. I'm going to say if Kyrie and Kevin Love didn't get injured in the 2015 Finals then Warriors would have 0 rings.
They said the 2022 Celtics was the best defensive team since the 90’s and Steph averaged over 30 against them. This is easy, 2017 Warriors with KD was lethal. They sweep that 04 team.
I'm from Detroit I love this shit. Sheed we luv u bro. Wish we had u a few years early!! When u were in Portland. We could have won multiple titles. 💪💪 313. We shock the world when we beat LA. Lol
@@dontbescared512why not. That Rockets team had all of them including Kd goin iso 1x1 takin bad shots. Mfers like Pj Tucker legitimately guarding them including KD. Took a hilariously bad shooting night in a game 7 to lose to that team. And those Rockets definitely were not better defensively than those Pistons. Who knows how it would really play out but those warriors teams were pure finesse. Without Dray they soft as cotton. And this comin from someone who actually really admired that entire GSW run.
@@dontbescared512 We talking about 2004. Stop bringing up other years. Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his rookie year in 2003/04. Stop changing years and the narrative
@@truthiscensored how am i changing the narrative? i just said they couldn’t stop lebron how the hell can they stop the whole warriors squad when their team didnt shoot 3s bro even if you put them warriors in 2004 they still gonna shoot 3s
the phisicality of those Pistons would still be peak today. As a Spurs fan ofc i was happy the SPurs won in 05, but i was so happy witht the level of game they both had that i stopped caring for the winner: that's the greatest series of the last 25 years. And 'Sheed... you were a true marvel to watch playing
@@MichaelSevilla97 maybe. But prince is the logical matchup for KD. Prince had freakish long arms like a Gibbon. Anyway the 2004 to 2006 pistons was team effort. They all played D. Chauncey, rip Hamilton, teyshaun, Wallace and Wallace They would give any team serious trouble. And hold them to like 81 points
@@stevencoardvenice The Bucks was throwing a DPOY Giannis on KD back in the Nets and he almost willed that team to win with a one-legged Harden. Prince would do nothing to KD lol
@rufushall8331 lmbo dude they don't let players play defense anymore 😴 curry and kd never played against a real defensive team .... kd would get locked up Prince would be a problem for him
the 04 pistons would've been hell inside four walls for the 2017 warriors. I don't care how individually great KD & Steph are, they're just not tough enough to take four games from them. Ben Wallace alone is putting their frontcourt in a pine box. Rip/Chauncey/Prince eventually wear down one of Steph & Klay. GS takes two games, but those Pistons grind them out all the same
Facts people get caught up in the moment. Detroit was locking people down. And the warriors injured da claw on purpose let's not forget that. A whole rule got made for that.
1. Sheed doesn’t seem to understand that the warriors offense was team centric as well. The difference based on his wording is what they were looking for. The pistons were wearing down the other teams legs and the warriors were looking for the best quality shot. Must be why the warriors had high shooting % for their era and the pistons shooting % were below avg in their era. 2. Sheed needs to look at MP in the finals. Mike James barely played in the finals. The warriors played their benches more in the playoffs and finals. 3. Here is my big problem with the whole defense debate. The warriors are an elite defensive team. You may hate this era, but they play fundamentally sound defense. So please don’t tell me a team that struggled to be mid offensively is just going to blow the doors off of a team that was elite defensively in its own era.
Everybody talks about the 3-1 lead they blew nobody talks about how OKC had them on life support down 3-1 in back to back series that’s a clear sign the league was catching up to them
That's all I ever hear is the okc choke and how Durant joined the team that beat him. This was one of the only times I've heard someone mention Kd saved their legacy while sacrificing his.
NBA stimulus package is the only way the Cavs came back. If Draymond doesn’t get suspended and Iggy and Bogut don’t get hurt, the Warriors would’ve won game 5 and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Y’all just jealous of the Warriors.
No he’s not. 2017 Warriors would win every game by 35. The 04 lakers had no shooters, only took 17 3s a game, and made 4 per game. Steph Curry makes more 3s than that a game. Then you add in KD and Klay. This conversation is delusional.
If GS is hitting their jumpers, it’s a wrap. Tayshawn could only slow KD down. Rip Hamilton getting cooked if Klay gets hot. Detroit would have to wear Klay and Steph out by making them run around on defense. GS ain’t getting in the paint against Detroit.
Yeah shaq and Kobe were on the same team but they were already done with each other. Not to take anything away from the pistons but that wasn't a good Lakers team. Which was why we saw a one legged Tim Duncan smash them the next year. One hit wonders.
@@improbablyyourdad8458 they weren't the same. Which was why shaq avg 21 and kobe 24. They didnt play as a team. That's not an excuse the pistons did there job. Just context it wasnt the real shaq and kobe duo. It was kobe dealing with the rape case plus him and shaq fighting everyone has mentioned how dysfunctional and bad that team was.
@@improbablyyourdad8458 to show you how bad they were they lost to the pistons. Ben Wallace killed shaq. If thats normal then no one better every have shaq top 10. What happened to that piston dynasty? They lost to the spurs and collected lottery draft picks after that. 🤣🤣🤣
When did we see Boston do anything against that Warriors TEAM?? Yall keep bringing up one on one match ups. Same mistake Sheed making. Kawhi can't even contain KD and he a better defender than Tayshaun easily. Pat Dev can't do it....Jrue Holiday can't do it. All three of them are better defenders than anyone on that Pistons team. We don't even bring up Tayshaun when we talk defense.....his name never comes up unless we specifically talking bout the Pistons and that year in particular.
@@jamesedward5420 you’re wrong, I’m talking about guarding KD… Boston did it when he was with Brooklyn. I believe the Pistons can with Tay and great team defense
@@kingnaz8465 I'm not sure what your point is. That same 22yr old LeBron team was better than the team that took GS to six games missing Kyrie and Kevin Love...
I wonder if the Pistons can slow the 2017 Warriors to a point they get too tired to win. They did play a style that tired you out and play at a snail's pace.
Pistons win in 5 maybe 6 tops. Big Ben Sheed and Mehmet okur are going to literally kill their bigs and own the paint. Pistons locked up Shaq and kobe in their prime. Shaq and kobe went on to win rings without each other after. Stop the fake news they were dysfunctional. Even Shaq said that was fake news. What kind of donks believe KD is better than kobe. This new generation is lost.
Facts. Detroit could beat a lot of teams but any of those dynasty warriors team ain't it. Too much movement at one time and too much long range shooting. Pistons trading 2s against those 3s.
Lakers have no shooters. Payton aint a scorer, 40yr old Malone aint a Problem, Shaq gets doubled, Only Kobe was scoring. You cant play Gsw like that you have 3 shooters all the time at the same time and 4 playmakers they can all run the offense, its harder to defend
@CMCut nah it's harder for this generation to guard with defense being virtually non existent....Harden and the Rockets went 7 and 6 respectively so yes the defended minded Pistons would stimey the Warriors in a long series..
@CMCut kobe was the problem shaq wasn't. I just meant the Lakers weren't some bum team they beat and a dynamic duo. Pistons squad wins cause of D those 3s pt shooters get cold often. And you're not getting shit near the basket.
I think Bonzi is forgetting that same Warriors team was on the ropes vs the Rockets. If not for CP3 going down they were grass. Also, that 2004 team had a deep bench (Lindsay, Corliss, Okur, James) that could throw multiple defenders at Steph and punish him on the other end. Also, forgetting there were multiple players on that GS team you could help off of Zaza, Iggy, West, Livingston, etc. Would be a great series!
The idea is not to get stats and highlights and deep 3s but to win them pistons was making history with long ass winning streaks holding ppl to under 80 points only person would average 20 for the warriors would be Livingston everyone else would struggle bad
Really though. Sheed would have dominated his matchup, every shot contested, gs in foul trouble and the boards go heavily to Detroit. Gs would need for 2 of the shooters to be on extra fire. Would be nice to see.
Teams like the Warriors couldn't survive in that era. That's why the league changed the rules to allow zone defense. You think there weren't run and gun teams in the 90s and 00s?
Same thing with the 96 Bulls. Too tall for the Warriors. MJ was 6’6, Ron Harper 6’6, Scottie 6’7, Rodman 6’8, Longley 7ft. Then you had Toni Kukoc who was a skilled 6’10 stretch forward. 4 of their starting 5 had DPOY capabilities in their primes.
Watching Rasheed terrorize teams for 2 quarters in high school was crazy, and this is the only show I watch like this because he is going to say what he wants and don't give two f#$KS about what others think of him; that's that North Philly in him.....
When Zeke was giving Draymond that raw, uncut truth about their historic collapse and KD saving their azzes. Draymond looked like he was at the doctor’s office and just got a cancer diagnosis. 😏
2017 would kill the Pistons. Detroit beat a dysfunctional Lakers team in the finals. 2017 GS is far more supremely talented whilst also playing team ball. GS won 4 in 7 years in a stacked West. Detroit won 1 title in the historically weak East. Detroit never played a team who could shoot. Defence simply doesn’t work when dudes can stretch the floor. They had amazing defence because every shot was within 12 feet. Sheed is crazy. This is almost as crazy as his bias ass claiming KG was better than Duncan
@@Getloose360Everyone on that 04 Pistons team was in their prime. They won 1 title. You’re acting like they were rookies or 35+? GS has 2 MVPs, 2 further All-NBA/All-Defensive team players. To my recollection, there wasn’t a single player on Detroit who even made 1 first team All-NBA their entire careers 😂😂😂
@@lani5023 Like I said, the dysfunctional Lakers who had an injured 40 year old Malone, Payton who is literally the worst player who ever played in the triangle, Kobe shooting them out of a title rather than win as a sidekick again, and Shaq who was the only one playing well. Zero bench depth and a coach who was done with their bullshit How you comparing that to 2017 GS? And why did Detroit only win 1, whilst GS won 4 in 7 years?
Prince Defending KD would be the X-Factor in that series. Prince is the same size as KD with long arms and can move his feet. Not saying Prince would stop KD but he would definitely make it difficult.
People in today’s nba wouldn’t know what to do with Hunter and Mike James harassing them like they did lol. Little guy from the pelicans does it today and he wrecks dudes playing that kinda defense lol. They woulda caused Steph all kinda problems
@@michaelmero426 people also forget that Golden State really was the Indiana pacers. They was just a little bit better than Indiana. Pacers same with Milwaukee back in the day. Nothing but shooters over there. Everybody forget about redd in Ray Allen before he left
@@mikehamm45 I actually did. Skill level was not on par today. there are 2 or 3 people on a team who cant shoot or score bunch of teams like that in the early 2000s, they role was playing defense not offense, Now everybody plays offense if theres a guy who cant shoot or score on you're team you'll be in trouble
@@mikehamm45 2000s defense would eventually look like modern defense if they went up against the warriors. Physicality or no physicality, 1 guy standing in the paint isn't gonna help defend against steph curry with a team that plays TEAM offense.
@@AaronSmith-x6oplease direct me to a game where Billups bust curry azz??? Stop the cap. Billups aint even in the same league as 2015-19 curry. Yall boyz lost yallz brains somewhere.
The old timers never want to acknowledge the greatness of the new youth. The truth is no matter what sport it is the people just get better. Everyone is all around better. The Warriors would’ve murdered the Pistons shot the lights off their face.
The scoring comparisons Bonzi try to stand on is foolish since no one talking about the pace of the game and possessions per game...Detroit had like 15 possessions less a game in 04 than warriors did in 2017, because opposing teams got worked deep into the shot clock, resulting in far less shot attempts per game
@@CMCut Billups is getting smoked by curry just like every other point guard got smoked by curry. Prime klay is holding rip to 15 or less every game. If its 2015 warriors draymond was shooting around 40% from 3 and bogut is a rim protector. Harrison barnes and prince cancel each other out. Not to mention iggy coming off the bench. Warriors waxing pistons all day.
Dude…there is no chance those pistons beat that 2017 warriors team, absolutely no chance…the ‘01 lakers probably wouldn’t win either but they’d have a better chance than you guys would and that’s just the truth. We all know it, I will never have an ounce of respect for that warriors team because of Kevin Durant but they were unstoppable
I watched Chauncey Billups bust Klay and stephs ass in Denver and he was old as fuck. Your generation is the slowest in history. The entire world knows you are the most delusional generation in world history. Ben Wallace will grab 20 rebounds a game against the warriors and kill them on the offensive glass. They locked kobe Bryant up and yall riding KD? Lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂
Tayshaun Prince would've gave KD problems as a defender. Ben Wallace would've made it really easy for them to stack guard the perimeter cause he would've literally locked down the paint and the boards. Klay would've been half dead chasing Rip around.
@@KrispyKleenex365Hell I guess I'm officially old head even though I like all types of things and definitely respect the OGs. It's plenty times we seen the cracks in that GSW teams. They made trade during time NO ONE THOUGHT KD WOULD DO THAT.
CAP! Rip hamilton, and chances would NOT get off 8-12 threes and if they did, they barely making half. Maybe chancey gonna good day, but now rip. Sheesh I lived that whole 3-5 piston run, yall gave me one of the best summer in Detroit, yall not beating that 2017 warriors team, sheed just convinced me more with him doubling down
Bonzi still mad the Pistons traded his ass😂
Bonzi never played in Detroit
@@kdot3657 bonzi was drafted by the Pistons.
@@kdot3657 you don’t no Bonzi got cut thy drafted he was talented with a low skill level
Facts 😂
I said that last week 😂😂
this is like watching the uncles go at it at thanksgiving lmao
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Lol 🤣 Good One
Great
Yeah thy love each other
i find it offensive to be so tall you call a 6'6 guy little lol
Sheed 6'10 6'11
@@ctrynnadosum yea im jealous
@@ctrynnadosumHe's saying Draymond is 6'6 lol cause Sheed called him little.
Yelp Sheed would a stopped Kobe n shaq from getting thy 1st 2
He is that’s a big guard or lil small forward
Tell them Sheed 😂😅
The 04 Pistons was the only team in NBA history to win the finals without a Superstar player! They won it by playing they whole team!
They might of not had all stars that year but they had hall of famers in my opinion
That’s why they lose
@@shaulyehudah29They're talking about the 04' Pistons not the Current team
Excuse me? No Superstars? Boy you were born in the wrong era. Ben Wallace on defense was Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain of that time period. Sheed offensively and defensively killed it. Chauncey Billups, definitely a superstar back then. Richard Hamilton in his PRIME. Don't come around here saying "there's no superstars on the 2004 Pistons" boy I'll make a basketball outta yo momma, dunk her and watch her roll out on the floor like a pancake. Ignorance is NOT always bliss. Thank you and good day
No superstars huh? Easy buddy, eaaaasy. Billups, Sheed, Big Ben, Rip Hamilton, Tayshawn Prince. All of which are the reason they won that championship. So.... neither of those guys are superstars?? Hmmmm I beg to differ good sir.
If you watch the end of the 2004 regular season game between the Nets and Pistons, the Nets celebrate scoring 71 points to break the Pistons defensive record streak of holdings teams under 70 pts. The Nets lost, yet still celebrated liek they won. So yes, teams were afraid of Detroit.
Why do older generations not take into account it’s a lot more scoring on the other side regardless of rules or era. Curry kd klay nd that bench is not the nets 🤣🤣
@Jake.jakefrmstatefarm it's not about a older generation. It's about something called defense. Yall get bored with defense plays and like when a team shoots 6000 threes. Look at the twolves how they man handled the suns. Those defenders on the pistons were like the spurs too. Lock down.
@lorenzotheman1 the spacing in the early 00s isn't how it is today the warriors will cook them are we forgetting those same pistons had trouble against popovich ball movement in the finals
I can't ride with Bonzi on his comment when he told Sheed that the '04 team wasn't that good. They were good enough to give the Lakers a gentleman's sweep. This is coming from a Lakers fan.
exactly. the lakers were coming off a 3 peat. no one gave the pistons a chance and they whopped that ass
Pfft lakers were overrated too. Bailed out by horry last second 3s and that Sacramento series is a stain on the nba.
@@aml2548 I'm talking about '04 Lakers, not '02. Two different teams. They didn't play Sacramento in '04 playoffs.
Such a dumb take
@@sublime90 not true. The Lakers got eliminated in the '03 playoffs in the second round by the Spurs. The Lakers 3-peat ran from 2000-2002.
I don't think people realize how good and discipline the detroit pistons was on defense they held NBA teams to under 70 points for several consecutive games that's extremely tough, detroit beat kobe and shaq lakers!
14 games
They not holding the warriors to 70 points bro. You have to be drunk. Back in the day spacing was horrible, PnRs weren’t that much of a threat and no one shot the 3 with volume. GSW would wash them boys, it wouldn’t even be fair
KD might get 25 Steph might get 25 and then after that the warriors s are f***** man Pistons would lock the rest of them down dude
@@givenchyoverall
Nope.
Sheed is correct in what he saying.
The defense the Pistons played was on another level.
Draymond would get dominated by Sheed or Ben Wallace.
Draymond couldn't deal with either of them.
@@davidmilton5887 they never had to deal wit any offense like that Gtfog
zeke spoke nothing but facts lol
Nah Zeke hating lol. Talking about they legacy was going to be tarnished, if I'm the warriors I'm calling out that bs, worry about your own legacy don't talk about what could've maybe happened if someone didn't join my team lol
I knew at the time Draymond shouldn’t have stood for that disrespect. Zeke just mad Steph surpassed him as the best little guy in league history.
@@invisible7355 my guy LeBron would have 2 more titles if KD didn't go to golden state
@@invisible7355nigga he spoke facts.
@learnwithsofiajade i think only 1. The 18 Cavs didnt have Kyrie so that is huge and The Warriors still had the most productive bench in the league.
Sheed is not lying that going to work 04 Pistons squad was a problem
Not for 2017 warriors
@@xavierb9061 AGREED.
Defensively sure. Offensively though? Sheed can say they sacrificed point for team, but the crappy FG% don’t add up. Normally if Chauncey is sacrificing points for team then that means he is sacrificing total shots for more quality shots. Chauncey couldn’t even make 40% of his shot that year.
@AAblade7 respectfully I cant even call you a nerd because you’re not good in logic. The 2000s era was the deadball era, meaning defense was at an all time peak. Which means the 04 pistons were the 17 warriors, on defense. That low fg % from Chauncey is a result of him making his opponent shoot even lower than he did. You expend energy on both ends of the court. 30ppg Zack Lavine for example would barely crack 20ppg 20 years ago. Don’t believe me? He’s not even half the player Kobe was but his numbers are inflated today, and he only plays one end of the court. Which means he’s 33% the player Kobe was in reality.
@@adamfeliciano6321 First off do you understand what context or qualifiers means? Cause you didn’t even read them based on this answer. So sure the logic doesn’t make sense when you have barely half the information. Chauncey’s FG% was low for his era especially 03-04. Like I said before his numbers were below avg for his era. So why you decided to claim it was in context to a more modern era or randomly bring in Zach Lavigne that’s on you. Also if you actually watched that season you’d know the reason why Chauncey FG% was so down was because he couldn’t hit a mid range to save his soul whether he was fresh at the start or tired at the end.
Also Yes I agree that the 04 pistons were amazing on the defensive side of the ball. On the other the 17 warriors were also elite defensively. The 04 pistons were mid offensively in 04 and are arguably the worse offensive team to win a finals since the NBA/ABA merged. So someone trying to tell me one team elite on only 1 side of the ball and mid on the other is going to beat a team that was elite on both sides just preaches delusion.
Ben wallace was 4 time DPOTY. Not 3.
That Pistons team came in and shutdown the All-stars in that All-star game.... defense changes everything and most don't understand that if you make someone uncomfortable , off ballance , forcing certain things over time it will indeed make a difference. and rules then and now makes everyone think today's NBA is so skilled.
Do you think anyone was comfortable when the warriors had the ball? Also I remember watching that 03-04 pistons and nobody in their right mind thought they played a quality team style basketball. Sheed can talk team centric offense or that they were using offense to wear down the other team. It doesn’t change the fact that they struggled to create quality shot opportunities.
@@AAblade7 😂😂😂😂😂😂🏀
If THEY STRUGGLED wtf was the league doing 😂 people hate the pistons style of play and the fact that they've ALWAYS done more with waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy less ❤@@AAblade7
@@AAblade7rip off the screens is like curry off the ball. If Curry is quality, Rip is quality.
@@lumilikha yeah I remember Hamilton as an offball player. He was pretty awesome, but if you watch his games he wasn’t creating as much distance off screens that Curry can. Similarly I remember Clyde the glide being a amazing finisher, but I’m never going to say he was on Jordan’s level. Their are levels to this. Sheed seems to forget this.
Bonze saying nobody was scared of the Pistons?!? Lmao that’s a lie. 04 pistons held teams under 70 what, 6 in a row? And Pacers celebrated when they got over 70 at the last second even though they lost by 20 lmao.
That Was Aaron Williams and the nets that did that my boy...
Bro they whooped the 04 lakers 😅
Bruh I know.... they held Shaq & Kobe's Lakers to 60 pts and damn near swept they a**😂.
end of discussion ijs
Sure did. Shoulda been a sweep. Gave em game 2 and even that took ot
Nah...bonzi wildin bro, 04" Pistons defensively were almost comparable to the 2000 ravens ! All defense & average offense lol. But still was deadly !
That's a really good comparison.
Bonzi sound like a bitter chick🙄🙄🙄🙄
Man Sheed and Bonzi is real ogs talking ball They not trying to go viral with no narratives just talking hoop like everybody at home. Gil's arena be trying to hard with the dramatic hot takes.
Let em all eat. Gil’s arena speaks truth in their details
Sheed might not try to go viral, but he's extremely biased when the topic is the Pistons.
@@Damari90man stop gil and mccants are disrespectful 🤡s they speak bullcrap
Bonzi fuckin hating on Sheed! Smh
Then you hating on gsw🤣
It’s funny
@@darioushammond785 And you are hatiN on yourself. The refs let the current players do what they want. They flop and don't play defense. 👍🏾
@@darioushammond785 when sheed is stating facts..you take it as hate? Are you under age or over age? Must be a kid.
Don’t forget that with Ben and Rasheed the warriors ain’t getting no rebounds🤣
Who was their leading rebounder back in that 2017 team
Rasheed was a liability at power forward, because he didn't crash the boards. Ben was elite, though.
Touché but Golden state wasn’t missing a bunch of shots. I think it would be a good series because there’s mismatch problems on GS side. They are focusing on the points per game, but the game changed since then as far as scoring pace. Hmmmm
@@Skedoosh99 Steph has went cold in some series. That’s one reason why the Cavs came back from 3-1 on them. Steph wasn’t shooting well. KD can be slowed down with physicality.
We saw that in the Boston vs Bklyn series. KD did give PJ Washington work in the Milwaukee series, but PJ is only 6’4. You could see KD was getting tired. If PJ was at least 6’7 he would have slowed KD down in that Brooklyn vs Milwaukee series.
Klay is largely a spot up shooter who needs screens and mismatches. He’s not really someone who is good at going off the dribble like Steph or KD. Detroit had length and elite defenders. But that could make it hard for GS.
Only issue is Detroit didn’t have elite offensive fire power. RJ was their best scorer them Sheed. But they aren’t dudes like Steph or KD, who can easily give you 40. That why Draymond saying they beat the 96 Bulls is lunacy. They were probably even better defensively than Detroit, which is tough and they had better offensive players. Shyt Ron 1:06 Harper averaged 21 ppg his rookie year in Cleveland, same as Lebron. Not saying he’s nearly as good, but boy was a problem before that knee injury. That’s why MJ wanted him, he used to be one of his toughest match ups along with Joe Dumars. He was a solid 3 & D type. Then you had Kukoc, who was an averaging close to 20, when MJ left. He was the 6th man. Pippen could give you that work. He’s virtually unstoppable in the open floor. Rodman and Longley not so much, but nor was Draymond & Bogut. At least Rodman will get you a ton of offensive rebounds and 2nd chance points.
@@Skedoosh99Right. If Klay, Steph and KD hitting them jumpers…it’s a wrap. Rip Hamilton couldn’t stop Klay. Tayshawn could slow KD down but he’s not stopping him from getting 20. Chauncey ain’t locking Steph down. 🤷🏾♂️
16:52 "Gary Coleman, Webster" I spit out my water 😂🤣😂
We need to get Chauncey, Rip, Tayshaun AND BIG BEN ON HERE!!
Ps ASAP!!!!
Best defense in the league at that time! Or ever?@
the game has changed since then, but I will take the Pistons
That means you have the Pistons as a top-2 team in history.
Unpopular opinion..the Pistons got screwed against San Antonio 💯🙄😡🤷🏿♂️
Oh 100% Stern wasn't having it.
@@Getloose360exactly. Malace at the palace pissed Stern off that season.
Yeah the did but Game 5 Sheed left Big Shot Bob open they could have won in game 6
Larry Brown lost that game.
Not unpopular. If you followed it closely you saw the discrepancy.
No way Curry can check Billups lol
Facts
Billups giving you 20 or less no matter who guarding him. He was not a scorer by any means. Stop. Mean while prime steph giving him a efficient 40 ball all while shimming every where. Lol
@hottopicmedia2808 dude prime Billups would bust curry ass lol
Exactly!!..No way..TOO CRAFTY, PHYSICAL, and MENTALLY TOUGHER...😉
@@hottopicmedia2808 The SUBJECT/STATEMENT is about GUARDING/DEFENSE🤔
Sheed speaking truth all day. Those Pistons locked down the high scoring Lakers in the finals in 2004. They would have forced the Warriors into shooting horrible shots. Different eras, but defense still wins games!
The Pistons wouldn't even beat the 2022 GSW let alone the Warriors squad with KD. These false narratives need to stop. Wasn't this the same Pistons team that ended up getting embarrassed by a LeBron led Cavs squad. Now fast forward and we see what the Warriors with KD did to an even better LeBron lead Cavs squad... 4-1 and 4-0. The Pistons would be lucky to get one game off the Dubs.
@@MrSweatLeisureKD and Russ had em down 3-1 and harden with old cp3 was on verge of beating the warriors I like my chances with piston beating either team with or without KD Gs dominated weaker competition if we being fr all great teams like spurs grizz faded out the picture
@Owatupcuz You play who you play when they come up on the schedule. We could use that argument for just about any team in any era. Even the Rasheed Pistons won by beating an aged "superteam" with past their primes (Malone and GP). Then couldn't even repeat on that one championship. They're essentially on par with last year's Nuggets, the Bucks and the Greek Freak, and Garnett, Pierce, Allen Celtics with their one chip. Meanwhile, GS repeated and won 4 in a 9 year span. Why is this even a conversation.
@@MrSweatLeisure they couldn’t repeat because the competition was wayy stronger than it is now cores don’t stay together build more chemistry and coaches get fired every 2-3 years
@@MrSweatLeisure why this even conversation cuz GS dominated a weaker era we serious rn James harden led rockets took em 7 games we don’t take harden serious , if you place that warriors team in 2000s and 90 they be lucky enough to get two rings not even joking games was played wayy different and teams that won 50 games was a 8th seed they even had chance make the finals lol
I’m about to hop on 2k and matchup the two teams n hit simulation n see who win Fck it dawg😂😂😂😂
How it go?
@@odogg6899 now u kno dmn well GS won n KD had 36 on Rasheed head dawg😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Hold on hold on. Sheed and Tayshaun ain't in the game! I ain't rolling with the generic created Tay and Sheed LOL
I’m a lakers fan who watched that 04 Pistons team end the dynasty. That 17 warriors team beats them in 5. The lakers were a dysfunctional mess. If that 04 pistons team saw them in 02, the lakers crush them.
As a die hard Laker fan and I'm 42 years old, every time Lakers played the Trailblazers it was scary. Young Rasheed, Pippen, Bonzi, Steve Smith, Sabonis, Stoudamire had fire power up the ying yang. One of the best teams that never won a chip. Draymond swears his Warriors were world beaters. I'm going to say if Kyrie and Kevin Love didn't get injured in the 2015 Finals then Warriors would have 0 rings.
Arid Gems: FACTS
Yup I'm same age. From LA. That was a deep team. Dale Davis lol
you could say the same with Bogut, Dray suspension and Steph injury
that cleveland team would've made 2004 pistons cry like babies, let's be honest here.
They said the 2022 Celtics was the best defensive team since the 90’s and Steph averaged over 30 against them. This is easy, 2017 Warriors with KD was lethal. They sweep that 04 team.
😂😂😂😂 the 2022 Celtics a better defensive team than the 04 pistons? Yeah your age is exposing itself
😂 lol kids here
Yeah what happened in 2019 against raptors
@@darkmanxxx8810I know right????
@@darkmanxxx8810
2004 pistons was like 2003 buccaneers
Bonze salty cause the pistons traded him
Bonze is right
Beach players getting revenge.lol
I'm from Detroit I love this shit. Sheed we luv u bro. Wish we had u a few years early!! When u were in Portland. We could have won multiple titles. 💪💪 313. We shock the world when we beat LA. Lol
What up doe! Hell yeah man, we had a squad my dog
Yeah I'm from la
Draymond is a donkey
I think they’d have had them warriors under their average for sure
man hell na 😂😂😂 bro yall are tripping they couldnt even hold lebron bro 😂😂 like are yall serious right now
Sure I can believe that, but you’re going to have to hold KD, Steph, and Klay under 65 total points for 4 different games. That I don’t believe.
@@dontbescared512why not. That Rockets team had all of them including Kd goin iso 1x1 takin bad shots. Mfers like Pj Tucker legitimately guarding them including KD. Took a hilariously bad shooting night in a game 7 to lose to that team. And those Rockets definitely were not better defensively than those Pistons. Who knows how it would really play out but those warriors teams were pure finesse. Without Dray they soft as cotton. And this comin from someone who actually really admired that entire GSW run.
@@dontbescared512 We talking about 2004. Stop bringing up other years.
Lebron didn't even make the playoffs his rookie year in 2003/04. Stop changing years and the narrative
@@truthiscensored how am i changing the narrative? i just said they couldn’t stop lebron how the hell can they stop the whole warriors squad when their team didnt shoot 3s bro even if you put them warriors in 2004 they still gonna shoot 3s
the phisicality of those Pistons would still be peak today. As a Spurs fan ofc i was happy the SPurs won in 05, but i was so happy witht the level of game they both had that i stopped caring for the winner: that's the greatest series of the last 25 years. And 'Sheed... you were a true marvel to watch playing
When sheed said he can guard Kd I threw the phone 😂
I seen him live in ACTION...He could GUARD him & NOT necessarily STOP KD; in which NO ONE in his PRIME could...😉
Prince would guard durant
@@stevencoardveniceand would get 35 points dropped on him a game by kd 😂 ✌️
@@MichaelSevilla97 maybe. But prince is the logical matchup for KD.
Prince had freakish long arms like a Gibbon.
Anyway the 2004 to 2006 pistons was team effort. They all played D. Chauncey, rip Hamilton, teyshaun, Wallace and Wallace
They would give any team serious trouble. And hold them to like 81 points
@@stevencoardvenice The Bucks was throwing a DPOY Giannis on KD back in the Nets and he almost willed that team to win with a one-legged Harden. Prince would do nothing to KD lol
Kd saved Draymond sorry azz so he should be quiet lol 😂
So why can’t KD save himself
Rasheed guarding kd is crazy, anybody guarding Steph in 2017 is crazy, helping off clay is crazy. Ben Wallace would have been unplayable
How ben Wallace would've been unplayable? And draymond is playable? Lol dude Ben could guard the 3 point line and Post ...df you smoking?
@@darkmanxxx8810 is this a question Raymond play defense and orchestrate the offense. IE 7 apg
@@darkmanxxx8810 he can’t guard anyone. Just put him in the pick and role. KD, Steph, or clay will cook.
@rufushall8331 lmbo dude they don't let players play defense anymore 😴 curry and kd never played against a real defensive team .... kd would get locked up Prince would be a problem for him
@@darkmanxxx8810 woooooow lol
the 04 pistons would've been hell inside four walls for the 2017 warriors. I don't care how individually great KD & Steph are, they're just not tough enough to take four games from them. Ben Wallace alone is putting their frontcourt in a pine box. Rip/Chauncey/Prince eventually wear down one of Steph & Klay. GS takes two games, but those Pistons grind them out all the same
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Facts people get caught up in the moment. Detroit was locking people down. And the warriors injured da claw on purpose let's not forget that. A whole rule got made for that.
Curry would make Ben Wallace dance
Young LBJ cooked that Pistons team
@@newelldavis1858 oh you mean the guy that beat the 73-9 warriors team and Kevin Durant's thunder in the finals? yeah, how about that
Sheed is hilarious. Love hearing these guys talk.
1. Sheed doesn’t seem to understand that the warriors offense was team centric as well. The difference based on his wording is what they were looking for. The pistons were wearing down the other teams legs and the warriors were looking for the best quality shot. Must be why the warriors had high shooting % for their era and the pistons shooting % were below avg in their era.
2. Sheed needs to look at MP in the finals. Mike James barely played in the finals. The warriors played their benches more in the playoffs and finals.
3. Here is my big problem with the whole defense debate. The warriors are an elite defensive team. You may hate this era, but they play fundamentally sound defense. So please don’t tell me a team that struggled to be mid offensively is just going to blow the doors off of a team that was elite defensively in its own era.
Warriors are not defensive team, everything is about offense and Klay, Steph shooting three's.if that doesn't work they struggle a lot
@@M.Đ-z4u so you never watched a warriors game got it.
@@M.Đ-z4uthe warriors had the number 2 defense for one of them years
@@M.Đ-z4u the Warriors have 4 elite switchable from 1-5 (or 4) in their death lineup lmao.
Thank you Bonzi for keeping it a buck!
Everybody talks about the 3-1 lead they blew nobody talks about how OKC had them on life support down 3-1 in back to back series that’s a clear sign the league was catching up to them
That OKC team was cold af
@@RonnySwank and kd still went to the warriors. so crazy still
That's all I ever hear is the okc choke and how Durant joined the team that beat him. This was one of the only times I've heard someone mention Kd saved their legacy while sacrificing his.
@@RonnySwankthat’s the kinda team where you do what you have to do to keep em together.
NBA stimulus package is the only way the Cavs came back. If Draymond doesn’t get suspended and Iggy and Bogut don’t get hurt, the Warriors would’ve won game 5 and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Y’all just jealous of the Warriors.
Sheed: "I ain't no mothafuckin dummie"
Bonzi: "The jury's still out"
I died 😂😂😂
That was funny!
I thought she'd was goin to respond to that part😂😂
On another note. This was their best episode so far. Loved the passion and competitive energy this episode..💯
draymond would be baby food with sheed in the post lol
All the ppl Draymond locks up say the same thing....he always in the DPOY convo for a reason
@@jamesedward5420 not for post defense lol
@@jamesedward5420 he hasn’t been in the dpoy convo in years
@sydoesgames this conversation is about them in their primes. So what I said applies
@@jamesedward5420 yeah sheed in his prime is scoring on prime draymond in the post
I love this debate. Feels like I’m in the barbershop hearing 2 OG’s stand their ground without holding back‼️💯
Sheed is dead on
No he’s not. 2017 Warriors would win every game by 35. The 04 lakers had no shooters, only took 17 3s a game, and made 4 per game. Steph Curry makes more 3s than that a game. Then you add in KD and Klay. This conversation is delusional.
@@cyberftTrue. Delusional! Besides that. Warriors had a great system. Great defensively too.
If GS is hitting their jumpers, it’s a wrap. Tayshawn could only slow KD down. Rip Hamilton getting cooked if Klay gets hot. Detroit would have to wear Klay and Steph out by making them run around on defense. GS ain’t getting in the paint against Detroit.
Piston's all day
Agreed
Rashid is basically a KD but you switch three pointers for post moves I take sheet in his prime dude
That defense the pistons had was probably the best I’ve seen but that 95 bulls team was also on that level when they turned it on.
Bonzi: so you can guard Kd?
Sheed: yeah I can guard KD (nonchalantly)
The room: 😒😒😒😐😐
Me:🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
Rasheed is right. If they beat a team with Shaq and Kobe I believe they could have beaten anyone honestly
Yeah shaq and Kobe were on the same team but they were already done with each other. Not to take anything away from the pistons but that wasn't a good Lakers team. Which was why we saw a one legged Tim Duncan smash them the next year. One hit wonders.
@@jasonnelson6624 LA wasn't a good team yet they made it to the NBA Finals. 😂
@@improbablyyourdad8458 they weren't the same. Which was why shaq avg 21 and kobe 24. They didnt play as a team. That's not an excuse the pistons did there job. Just context it wasnt the real shaq and kobe duo. It was kobe dealing with the rape case plus him and shaq fighting everyone has mentioned how dysfunctional and bad that team was.
@@jasonnelson6624 I'm pretty sure they got smashed the next year because Shaquille O'neal was gone
@@improbablyyourdad8458 to show you how bad they were they lost to the pistons. Ben Wallace killed shaq. If thats normal then no one better every have shaq top 10. What happened to that piston dynasty? They lost to the spurs and collected lottery draft picks after that. 🤣🤣🤣
Sheed in my top 5 power forwards ever
I got the Pistons. Draymond can’t guard Sheed!
That's one versus one....
@@jamesedward5420 that’s the key matchup, Tay can stick with KD, we saw Boston do it.
When did we see Boston do anything against that Warriors TEAM?? Yall keep bringing up one on one match ups. Same mistake Sheed making.
Kawhi can't even contain KD and he a better defender than Tayshaun easily. Pat Dev can't do it....Jrue Holiday can't do it. All three of them are better defenders than anyone on that Pistons team. We don't even bring up Tayshaun when we talk defense.....his name never comes up unless we specifically talking bout the Pistons and that year in particular.
@@jamesedward5420 you’re wrong, I’m talking about guarding KD… Boston did it when he was with Brooklyn. I believe the Pistons can with Tay and great team defense
10:28 " & did what, AND DID WHAT!!"
They Let Lebron take them to 6 games without Kyrie and Kevin Love... Sometimes Dray need to shut up.
EXACTLY. and bad to injure Kawbj to sweep tbem and Paul getting getting hurt and Then shooting 30 straight bricks
Pistons lost to a 22 year old lebron😂😂
@@kingnaz8465 I'm not sure what your point is. That same 22yr old LeBron team was better than the team that took GS to six games missing Kyrie and Kevin Love...
@@kingnaz8465Bron never beat the Pistons with Ben Wallace. They also had a diff coach in 07
@@kingnaz8465not in 04 or 05.
Draymond speaks like he really that superstar. He was carried his entire career. Better yet, his numbers doesn’t put him as a hall of fame player.
Pistons in 5.
😂😂😂😂😂
"you guna see them air forces fly" I love Sheed such a witty dude. was a hell of a player aswell.
I wonder if the Pistons can slow the 2017 Warriors to a point they get too tired to win. They did play a style that tired you out and play at a snail's pace.
Pistons win in 5 maybe 6 tops. Big Ben Sheed and Mehmet okur are going to literally kill their bigs and own the paint. Pistons locked up Shaq and kobe in their prime. Shaq and kobe went on to win rings without each other after. Stop the fake news they were dysfunctional. Even Shaq said that was fake news. What kind of donks believe KD is better than kobe. This new generation is lost.
EXACTLY
In a 7 game series, it’s a huge factor
Warriors in 3 1/2 shit gone be over before it’s over 😂
Facts. Detroit could beat a lot of teams but any of those dynasty warriors team ain't it. Too much movement at one time and too much long range shooting. Pistons trading 2s against those 3s.
draymond guess how many points they allowed lol...they took out shaq and kobe in the finals too and kobe didnt even get his regular season avg
Lakers have no shooters. Payton aint a scorer, 40yr old Malone aint a Problem, Shaq gets doubled, Only Kobe was scoring. You cant play Gsw like that you have 3 shooters all the time at the same time and 4 playmakers they can all run the offense, its harder to defend
@CMCut nah it's harder for this generation to guard with defense being virtually non existent....Harden and the Rockets went 7 and 6 respectively so yes the defended minded Pistons would stimey the Warriors in a long series..
@CMCut kobe was the problem shaq wasn't. I just meant the Lakers weren't some bum team they beat and a dynamic duo. Pistons squad wins cause of D those 3s pt shooters get cold often. And you're not getting shit near the basket.
Lakers absolutely had shooters. Derek Fisher was a shooter, they also had Robert Horry coming off the bench. Lets stop the cap.
@@Cakebattered fish fox deveon werent great but could hit...idk if horry was on that 2004 squad..might of left for spurs
I think Bonzi is forgetting that same Warriors team was on the ropes vs the Rockets. If not for CP3 going down they were grass. Also, that 2004 team had a deep bench (Lindsay, Corliss, Okur, James) that could throw multiple defenders at Steph and punish him on the other end. Also, forgetting there were multiple players on that GS team you could help off of Zaza, Iggy, West, Livingston, etc. Would be a great series!
Facts
Kd was hurt🤣
@@jpgotti1856 not, he had 34 pts in gm 7. 🤣🤣
The 2004 Pistons went 7 games against the Nets
@@NoSpinster0909 you mean the same Nets that went to the Finals twice??
The idea is not to get stats and highlights and deep 3s but to win them pistons was making history with long ass winning streaks holding ppl to under 80 points only person would average 20 for the warriors would be Livingston everyone else would struggle bad
Man they was holding teams to under 70. KAWhi by himself almost beat 2017 GSW
So Draymond knew he was going to the league.. it's crazy. some of these players been around since kids
The circle small
He still had to put in the work fam. You can’t discredit that
Really though. Sheed would have dominated his matchup, every shot contested, gs in foul trouble and the boards go heavily to Detroit. Gs would need for 2 of the shooters to be on extra fire. Would be nice to see.
Klay would have been exhausted chasing down Rip Hamilton doing his Reggie Miller impersonation.
Draymond is still a dummy
Draymond green mr triple single.
Definitely 😂
man dray speaking facts
Draymond is one of only a few players now that could have played with that era
Beat the arguably most offensive team ever assemble in this sport? I swear you guys were on something you couldn't even be consistent on free throws😂😂
Teams like the Warriors couldn't survive in that era. That's why the league changed the rules to allow zone defense. You think there weren't run and gun teams in the 90s and 00s?
@@bolebole161 There's a general consensus, that the Warriors are a top-3 team in history. Pretty sure they'd "survive" any era.
@@penkima4923 No. Show proof. There's no consensus. In fact, most in the comment section agree with Rasheed.
@@penkima4923 No one is talking about survival. It's whether they'd beat the '04 Pistons or not.
@@bolebole161 I referred to you about survival.
Same thing with the 96 Bulls. Too tall for the Warriors. MJ was 6’6, Ron Harper 6’6, Scottie 6’7, Rodman 6’8, Longley 7ft. Then you had Toni Kukoc who was a skilled 6’10 stretch forward. 4 of their starting 5 had DPOY capabilities in their primes.
Exactly. Bulls defense and reb
Mans begged KD to come and he talking shit 😂
Watching Rasheed terrorize teams for 2 quarters in high school was crazy, and this is the only show I watch like this because he is going to say what he wants and don't give two f#$KS about what others think of him; that's that North Philly in him.....
😂😂😂 sheed said Darvin Ham
He was a goon
@@TheHiphop98wholeheartedly! These lil boys don’t know basketball G
@@TheHiphop98 I literally just told my girl that when they laughed about it. Ham was bout that life.
Ham was a, legend
nah ham played here in the philippines and got his ass destroyed…he is plain trash
BONZI was in the league and he still way off.
Who is bonzi?
Im willing to bet you didn't have a chance though, stop it gsw blowing them out no questions no worries
@@second2nonebut1😞
@@darioushammond785you are a crack baby
Man, I love this shit...... "Oh you can guard KD now????"
Sheed spoke facts 😂😂
Draymond Green isn't 6'5". And Charles Barkley wasn't unathletic. And the Warriors aren't too little to play small ball.
When Zeke was giving Draymond that raw, uncut truth about their historic collapse and KD saving their azzes. Draymond looked like he was at the doctor’s office and just got a cancer diagnosis. 😏
Shotter vs Shooter 😂😂
2017 would kill the Pistons.
Detroit beat a dysfunctional Lakers team in the finals. 2017 GS is far more supremely talented whilst also playing team ball.
GS won 4 in 7 years in a stacked West. Detroit won 1 title in the historically weak East.
Detroit never played a team who could shoot. Defence simply doesn’t work when dudes can stretch the floor. They had amazing defence because every shot was within 12 feet.
Sheed is crazy. This is almost as crazy as his bias ass claiming KG was better than Duncan
Sheed is not crazy. All of them in their Prime???! I like their chances.
@@Getloose360Everyone on that 04 Pistons team was in their prime. They won 1 title.
You’re acting like they were rookies or 35+?
GS has 2 MVPs, 2 further All-NBA/All-Defensive team players.
To my recollection, there wasn’t a single player on Detroit who even made 1 first team All-NBA their entire careers 😂😂😂
Detroit beat the lakers
@@lani5023 Like I said, the dysfunctional Lakers who had an injured 40 year old Malone, Payton who is literally the worst player who ever played in the triangle, Kobe shooting them out of a title rather than win as a sidekick again, and Shaq who was the only one playing well. Zero bench depth and a coach who was done with their bullshit
How you comparing that to 2017 GS? And why did Detroit only win 1, whilst GS won 4 in 7 years?
Man golden state has NO DEFENSE! And their soft! Pistons beat Shaq and Kobe in their PRIME
I think Kobe Bryant is the person to ask about that question. Defense is everything
Man said KD gonna average 22 🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
It's true. 2004 piston defense was insane. Watch the 2004 finals.
Teyshaun prince would guard kd. Wallace and Wallace would help
Prince Defending KD would be the X-Factor in that series.
Prince is the same size as KD with long arms and can move his feet.
Not saying Prince would stop KD but he would definitely make it difficult.
And also Lindsay Hunter picked Allen Iverson's pocket for the ball a couple of times and AI's a better ball handler than Stephen Curry
People in today’s nba wouldn’t know what to do with Hunter and Mike James harassing them like they did lol. Little guy from the pelicans does it today and he wrecks dudes playing that kinda defense lol. They woulda caused Steph all kinda problems
@@michaelmero426 people also forget that Golden State really was the Indiana pacers. They was just a little bit better than Indiana. Pacers same with Milwaukee back in the day. Nothing but shooters over there. Everybody forget about redd in Ray Allen before he left
GS was so hard to guard that a team led by a 6th man and Pat Beverly took them to 6 games and cameback down from 30 pts to beat that 2017 GS team
Gotta love sheed!!
Yo, Sheed the G.O.A.T. of ANY AND ALL Air Force 1's hoopers in HISTORY.
Bonzie funny thts my guy I don't think they could have beat the Portland team I have this argument with people all the time.
Ppl forget how nice Sheed was bk in the day. Toughass basketball player amd would've eaten DG alive.☝🏼
The 2004 Detroit Pistons get soooo much disrespect
Detroit gave up 86 to score 90. Yeah you would get Murdered by the Warriors its impossible that you only average 90 and think you can outscore GSW
Tell me you didn’t watch early 00s basketball without telling me you didn’t watch it
@@mikehamm45 I actually did. Skill level was not on par today. there are 2 or 3 people on a team who cant shoot or score bunch of teams like that in the early 2000s, they role was playing defense not offense, Now everybody plays offense if theres a guy who cant shoot or score on you're team you'll be in trouble
Pistons in 4
@@JJ-vp3bd GSW in 3 cause the Pistons would not play in Game 4
@@mikehamm45 2000s defense would eventually look like modern defense if they went up against the warriors. Physicality or no physicality, 1 guy standing in the paint isn't gonna help defend against steph curry with a team that plays TEAM offense.
Sheed is saying... you're not playing against trees, ok? We were agile
"Man, Steph Curry will kill Lindsey Hunter" 😂😂😂
I watched Chauncey Billups bust stephs ass for years and billups was old as fuck already. I watched Dellavedova lock up steph 😂😂😂
@@AaronSmith-x6oExactly..It took 2 hurt players for GSw to win
Agreed. But Steph should kill a backup. How about going up against the starters?
@@AaronSmith-x6oplease direct me to a game where Billups bust curry azz??? Stop the cap. Billups aint even in the same league as 2015-19 curry. Yall boyz lost yallz brains somewhere.
@@AaronSmith-x6ojr smith literally said dallavodova almost died guarding Steph😂😂
this relaxed fun version of Shhed is good to see, cause he was always on go in his playin days!!!
The old timers never want to acknowledge the greatness of the new youth. The truth is no matter what sport it is the people just get better. Everyone is all around better. The Warriors would’ve murdered the Pistons shot the lights off their face.
Everyone isn't all around better. The defense was far better in the Pistons' era.
The scoring comparisons Bonzi try to stand on is foolish since no one talking about the pace of the game and possessions per game...Detroit had like 15 possessions less a game in 04 than warriors did in 2017, because opposing teams got worked deep into the shot clock, resulting in far less shot attempts per game
Chauncey would have Curry in post Klay chasing Rip around a million screens, Rasheed cooking Green on a regular
THANK YOU!!! Rip can drop 30 if he wanted to. He wearing KLAY OUT
Then Gsw would just shoot 3s 😂 3>2
@@CMCut Billups is getting smoked by curry just like every other point guard got smoked by curry. Prime klay is holding rip to 15 or less every game. If its 2015 warriors draymond was shooting around 40% from 3 and bogut is a rim protector. Harrison barnes and prince cancel each other out. Not to mention iggy coming off the bench. Warriors waxing pistons all day.
@hottopicmedia2808 so you saying Big Shot ain't cooking Steph right back? Big Shot cooking him all game easily
@@oez100 Lol Billups averaged 15pts stfu he aint cooking nobody LMAO
Dude…there is no chance those pistons beat that 2017 warriors team, absolutely no chance…the ‘01 lakers probably wouldn’t win either but they’d have a better chance than you guys would and that’s just the truth. We all know it, I will never have an ounce of respect for that warriors team because of Kevin Durant but they were unstoppable
Rasheed Wallace and Gilbert Arenas got the same Plug cause they be smoking that shit!
You mean hair plugs?
I watched Chauncey Billups bust Klay and stephs ass in Denver and he was old as fuck. Your generation is the slowest in history. The entire world knows you are the most delusional generation in world history. Ben Wallace will grab 20 rebounds a game against the warriors and kill them on the offensive glass. They locked kobe Bryant up and yall riding KD? Lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂
@@AaronSmith-x6olol Right
Pistons Not Beating No Damn Warriors Like Cmon On Gang Ima Pistons Fan
Sheed right Pistons would dismantle them small ass Warriors.
Nah warriors in 4
You don't believe that. Not even a little bit.
You misunderstood small ass. It's small ball.
Tayshaun Prince would've gave KD problems as a defender. Ben Wallace would've made it really easy for them to stack guard the perimeter cause he would've literally locked down the paint and the boards. Klay would've been half dead chasing Rip around.
Why them cats 😢disrespecting Rasheed.
They don't know how versatile he was in his prime
@@Bigedub101they dont care wnough to do they research and find out
@@KrispyKleenex365 It's literally greats who said how great and versatile he was and got a bad rap cause his Technical and he was a TEAM PLAYER.
@@Bigedub101 i do agree but anyone born after the year 2000 don’t respect what greats or OGs or old heads have to say
🫡 to you tho
@@KrispyKleenex365Hell I guess I'm officially old head even though I like all types of things and definitely respect the OGs. It's plenty times we seen the cracks in that GSW teams. They made trade during time NO ONE THOUGHT KD WOULD DO THAT.
Bonzi low key hating, he couldn’t even say anything after sheed said “ we used to beat y’all ass too”
CAP! Rip hamilton, and chances would NOT get off 8-12 threes and if they did, they barely making half. Maybe chancey gonna good day, but now rip. Sheesh I lived that whole 3-5 piston run, yall gave me one of the best summer in Detroit, yall not beating that 2017 warriors team, sheed just convinced me more with him doubling down