Marciano and holyfield both great smaller heavyweights - soft spoken, enjoy watching them more than any of the big ones that hung on each other, or danced and blathered on,
This is true. Especially considering since he was a kid, the Cus "peekaboo" style was drilled into him day and night; you can't expect a fighter to be able to switch styles that quickly. Even Cus used to say, "Make it so they couldn't do it wrong if they tried." When Tyson left Rooney, and the new guy came in, he should've known it would be a never-ending struggle.
Apparently Douglas wasn't paying attention when he watched the Holyfield v Qawi II tape. Not only could Holy set up the right very well, but he could counter with it.
The deal w/knockdowns is that the rules state that the count doesn't begin until the fighter who is standing go to a neutral corner (no trainers). The ringside guy w/the white gloves started counting too soon, and thus was ahead of the ref by two seconds. Google both "The long count fight" and utube search "Tyson vs. Douglas - identical 10-counts" & you will see that it wasn't a long 10 count.
TYson who fought spinks,from the channel 9 boxing writer,siad tyson that night beats every heavyweight who ever stepped in the ring,not becasue he beat a scared spinks but the moves he made in that short 90seconds was astonishing.The accuracy the short shots,the switching from right hand to southpaw and back to right hand and knocking spinks down for the first time in his career.TYson that night would beat the same ali that frazier beat in 1971.,
Good comeback DJK! Smart,witty response.Typical of tyson bahsers who run out of invalid points when confronted.Very typical,instead of countering (like a prime tyson would have done to douglas,holy and lewis) still didn;t answer the experts conclusion,prepuce!
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! I agree with you.watch the pre89 fights and see how bouncy and in balance tyson is and how he explodes the combinations without missing.That was another problem he stopped combination punching became a very inaccurate fighter. The way holyfield ko'd douglas,thats about how tyson of 1988 would have finished off douglas.Douglas was the same style as tony tubbs,they fought and tubbs lost a close decision to douglas,they were about equal in ability.tyson ko'd tubbs in 2
if you look at that Tyson-Douglas fight Tyson really won that fight, that was the longest 10 count I ever saw in my life. But props to Douglas for pulling it off, I mean really who would of thought right??? But Tyson's outside of the ring problems cost him the most important fights of his career (except for when he won the title's).
The first obvious thing to go with tyson was his accurate combination punching.you cant tell me he was accurate vs mathis.That was a rusty shot version of the 1986-88 combo specialist.The second thing to go that damato so religiously taught in tyson ,was the constant head movement and angle of his upper body,always moving.moving,and moving,after throwing the shot,as he came in,as he backed off,as he grabbed on occasion himself,He never gave the opponent a clear target until after 1988.
All the shit Tyson went through would affect EVERY fighter hell any man for that matter, Boxing is a mental game & most of the time if your head aint right you WILL lose, Tyson lost all of the fights that would of cemented his legacy,like the holyfield and lewis fights & he should of had a douglas rematch, but it just so happened that during the most important fights of Tysons career he was in turmoil outside of the ring with the wrong people around him, & every fighter need to have good people.
I doubt anyone who actually has watched Tyson's career doubt that the Tyson Douglas fought was really a shell of his former self. Hell, even in the first Bruno fight, Tyson was larger and slower than the Spinks fight [following Rooney leaving; quite a drastic change].
It was probably enough to knock him down but he could have got up and he more or less admits that he quit. After all, he got up from a Mike Tyson shot and that has to have been much harder than anything Holyfield could throw at him. Douglas was beaten before he got in the ring, I think.
Buster should have gotten back in shape after this fight and continued to box. I believe he could have possibly became Champion again. Instead at that time he lost faith and quit boxing became depressed , gained weight and allmost slipped into a diabetic Coma. He came back 5 years later a different fighter then before. Buster will allways have that win over Tyson in Tokyo and thats what makes Buster a Boxing Legend.
Totally. Holyfield was way past his brilliant best when he destroyed Tyson in 1996. Tyson's fans fail to take account of the quality of the opponents he knocked out. It's all about quality and Evander fought all the best of his time - Tyson didn't.
cross defense was used to block jabs and hooks from the outside and he didnt use it that often not to mention when frazier moved in side he didnt sway side to side but he did a peek a boo motion moving his head and weaving and that whole insult made me think you were on bath salts mainly because of the zombie thing i didnt mean to insult you, frazier landed elbows but not intentionally (holyfield did) but i still think holyfields is awesome because he has heart
vs mathis,tyson looked so beatable if it was a higher quality fighter,you can see how he missed so much.The tyson decline was because of his mistakes.TYson after 19088 had the youth on his side but he made alot of mistakes after leaving rooney.Remember rooneys comment after the 1989 bruno fight? "tyson in that first round made a hundred mistakes,a hundred"! Bruno rocked him in the first,should have finished him,he didnt,he should have"Thats profoundly knocking the post88 tyson.He really got flat
A fighter who could take his post jail punch from all his opponents,was holyfiled but the verdict will always be out on how holyfiled would have handled the pre1989 tyson combinations."its the shots that you dont see that hurt you" angeo dundee repeated quote over the years. That was tyson pre1989 strength,he hits you with 4 punch combiantions,you see two of them but the last two get you in serious trouble and you either grab and hold for dear life or you try to fight back and get ko'd.
@cbaldwinjr tysn had alot of heart...especially since he fought lewis in 2002 knowing he wasn't goin to win the fight...it takes alot of heart going into a fight knowing that your jus here for the pay day...tyson needed the money
that fact that i feel holyfield is a performance enhancer user i agree that a prime tyson beats a prime holyfied but tyson still would of had trouble with the douglas that he fought that night because douglas in shape and focused was as good as anybody of that era. but yes tyson wins a tough fight if he's in his best shape and focused.
Bizarre! Of all the things on the net I never thought I'd get a teenage boy that obviously fancies me following me around. You're wasting your time son, I'm not that way inclined.
@thundercatz713 Then you were watching the wrong fight. Tyson knocked Buster down in the eighth, not the first, and the counts were identical. There's a video of both counts running simultaneously.
This just shows human nature... Tyson got endless credit for knocking over a long line of stiffs, drug addicts, fat blokes, has beens and never were's yet Evander got NO CREDIT for this win over the reigning World Heavyweight Champion at all. People only want to see punching power and knockouts; when Tyson LOST against the only top class prime fighters he fought people made excuses to keep the myth alive.
@09Brant DOuglas was a good technician and if he had such a fire in him,he wouldnt have been knocked down by a walking blind corpse of a tyson 8th round.DOuglas had fire and was in shape for Tucker because that was for the IBF belt and he was fighting that night for his father who trained him.He was motivated and in shape and tucker beat him as soon as tucker found the opening as the walking corpse tyson did in the 8th. The way holy banged with bowe,he never would have lost to any douglas.
Tucker and green both ran for 12 rounds.Green was a tough guy who was a leader of a very crazy gang in jamaica queens. He was authentically tough and tyson was better a year AFTER tucker. This is some of the claims of the tyson bashers claiming that tyson was ovverrated because he couldnt finish off a runner or a bonehugger??? You see,if the opponents opened up they would ALL get ko'd so they tried tpo survive and grab and clinch their way to a lucky punch(smith) or tyson getting tired .
I wish Tyson fought Holyfield right after this. I hate that he wasted his time with a 2nd fight with Razor Ruddock not taking anything away from my Canadian friend.
@@wavyamar ruddock was the biggest puncher of that time holyfield avoided him to fight a 42 year old foreman Tyson should get a lot of credit for those 2 wins
that was single handely the funniest comment i have read in a while holyfield didnt knock out the guys faster and barly could pull a win on both stewart and holmes yet hes better? jesus holyfield defense is not as good hes punching power is not as good he dosnt have speed he has one thing and that is heart he has an amazing will and determination
Against holyfield ,tyson went in there expecting to ko the supposedly shot holy with tysons crappy head hunting attack,jab/right hand that missesfollowed by the left hook that misses.Always and holy knew becasue he was a crafty smart fighter,how to nullify this easy attack by a smaller guy.Holy would have his hands full with the 1988 tyson version becasue that tyson would be throwing 4 punch combinations and always moving himself.In the rematch,tyson looked better but the 88 model was 9 yrs past
Douglas had no class. First, he disrespected the sport by showing up terribly out of shape, then he left the ring without offering congrats to Holyfield.
tyson holy fight ,aside from tyson fighting at 40% of his original 1988 ability andholyfield geting up and being as good as he ever was for a fight,you see after tyson shot off his one punch shots 5th round, and in the 6th you see holy bouncing up right into tysons temple and ripping his eyebrow and giving him a slight concussion.that was the end of tyson in that 6th round because that was the way holy continued fighting him by head ramming him as tyson attacked him with one punch at a time
@thundercatz713 So what. Douglas could have gotten up at the count of 3 if he wanted to.....Tyson was knocked out. He was finished. No count controversy, just a good old fashioned ass kicking.
Yeah well that's because without Rooney, Tyson is not Tyson. All he is from that point is a quick, hard hitter looking for an early exit to a fight... but there's no combinations, or very few like the old Tyson - no strategy, no real plan, he's just trying to knock them out, but he's no longer a boxer using his assets and advantages. Without Rooney there's no headmovement, no nothing. And from that point he just gradually gets worse and worse.
but that dosnt mean tyson wouldnt beat him before he went to jail and before he got rid of rooney if he never went to jail and kept that amazing peek a boo style and fluid head movement along with his 3 punch combo he would beat holyfield not to mention holyfield headbutted tyson and tyson during the first fight rocked holyfield the first round and in their second fight holyfield was rocked 2nd and 3rd round not to mention second fight had 15 headbutts before the ear bite
But to the tyson bashers,they like to cling on to tyson not koing tillis,smith,tucker and green,those are the claims they make about tyson in his prime BUT tyason was a better fighter in late 87-88 then he was in early 87 and certainly better then 86.The problem is that it all crumbled in 89!!
watch tyson vs tubbs,tubbs was about the same ability in jabbing,chin,movement(excellent tough overweight fighter who foought his best overweight.TYson was losing that fight going into the second half of the second round,In fact,ironically being in tokyo,tubbs was starting to pull a douglas on tyson but the difference in the two tysons was clear,this 1988 version of tyson got a wicked combination off and a wicked bolo to a 6 inch left hook all in less then 3 seconds,ripped tubbs eyebrow in half
"as easily as he used to beat everyone",that was your quote but thats where you make the miscalculation because the better tyson of 86-88 was approaching the fights in a more technical way so if he faced the better fighters ,he could beat them with the more technical style and look better vs the better guys.Thats when damatos style excelled,not vs the subpar bums.you didnt need tyson of pre89 ability to beat subpars.You needed pre 89 tyson to keep bobbing for 12 rounds vs the better guys
Well the thing is, you can clearly see he beat a bad Tyson. I mean seriously - look at Tyson fights of 86-88 and tell me that's the same guy in there with Douglas. As soon as Tyson fired Rooney he was done for. He had no fight gameplans except for trying to go for an instant one punch headshot. Against Douglas he just sluggishly walked towards Douglas trying to get a lucky shot, that's a bum Tyson. Prime Tyson was a speedy, ducking, weaving combo monster.
douglas didnt need to fight back vs a stand up stationary disinterested tyson who didnt train and shot off his one head hunting shot and it didnt find the mark on douglas and tyson gave up b the third round.DOuglas kept breaking tysons rhythm with jabs and right hands.Tyson didnt have the 4 punch combination explosive attack after 1988 anymore.did you notice,when ,aside from one combination on ruddock in thier first fight in the 4th round,did you see tyson throw a 4 or 5 punch combination??
@09Brant tyson gave up in this fight in the 4th round because if you watch the fight especially in the 3rd,4th ,5th rounds,you see douglas sort of simmering into a levelpace and the tyson we all remembered should have taken over around those rounds.He should have thrown his shots with bad intentions as he did with pinklon thomas after thomas was starting to win the 4th and 5th rounds.That was his chance cause douglas was basically doing nothing .
Any fighter who would decide to fight tyson,would be in serious trouble.How do you beat a guy who is not only stronger but faster? You beat him with smarts but tyson in his prime conditioned days was so flexible,accurate and was the best listener when he was with rooney and Lou Duva says holy was the best listener.This is very important in every subtle punch and posture with tyson.He had it all working in unison as frazier did in 1971.Nothing was going to save ali that night.NOTHING.
what years was this fight and why didnt we see tyson fight holyfield like a year after this fight man the money men jus where too greedy get up doug get up up stop looking at the money mann get up
@SimsGamer240 Tyson wasn't the same guy after the Robin Givens debacle in his personal life... He never truly had the heart anymore... Tyson in his prime was too fast and too hungry ... His window was small but in that window I think Tyson was virtually unbeatable... Just go look at the difference when Tyson was hungry and training hard and believed...
@thundercatz713 Tyson lost because he didn't get up as fast as douglas did. RUclips identical count. There's a video and make sure you watch it with glasses.
3 yr prime,only the power was brought into his other careers but thats not what made him the best fighter since ali and louis,it was the other traits that he abandoned,head movement for 12 rounds,foot movement for 12 rounds,punching in combinations and angle combinations,body combinations,side to side movement,etc. Regardless of how you interpret these facts,they do make a fighter BETTER then when he doesn;t utilize them. true,belive it,it's true.Hope this got thru the foreskin on your head.
I'm not arguing with you because judging by your spelling and grammar you are around 9 years old and that wouldn't be fair. Suffice to say Tyson was knocked out before and after prison and only amassed that great record because he reigned in an era with mediocre talent. Don't talk about Holyfield breaking rules when he wasn't warned or disqualified like Tyson.
@combatesdeboxeo it also doesnt take a boxing genius to see that when tyson fought douglas he was completely out of his game, a shell. even his trainers admitted he started slacking hard in the gym, everyone knows he stopped training properly after rooney
@09Brant If I were tysons trainer,I would have had tyson thorowing his jab all night to nullify douglas jab.,This should have been a decision win for tyson as tyson outpointed tucker.
i agree that his outside the ring issues had an major effect on his career. but douglas would have gotten up anyway. what really saved douglas was the bell. if tyson had another 30 seconds he would have finished him of then. but yes props to buster. what really killed tysons career though was that bullshit rape conviction. i just think he was never mentally in it after that.
@09Brant Im just joking but I disagree.Douglas was bouncy ,in shape and his style was the style to give a tysons style a little trouble BUT frazier the night he beat ali 1971,beats tokyo douglas so it was possible for tyson to beat him that night.TYson needed to NULLIFY DOUGLAS JAB becuase thats what set up everything else.
yeah I heard about that, seems to me like the bitch got around just fine, & its a real shame too. Who knows how many great Tyson fights we could of saw in those years he was locked up.
@250honda Ha! WRONG. While MT in jail, wasn't getting hit. Holyfield was fighting wars w/ bigger quality fighters - not jokes seldon, mcneely, mathis....MT = past his prime, but in 96 EH was WAY past prime, had already REITIRED once. He was older than MT, had been through more wars, & a heart problm. He was 25-1 underdog for reason, & I'm SURE you were in the 99.9% saying Holy had ZERO chance. Prime MT vs EH = same outcome... EH = more skills, equal chin, equal speed, greater will...FACT.
Frazier of 71 model would beat ali of 73 who beat frazier in the rematch,Joe was clearly not nearly the same of the 71 model. Just like tyson vs holmes and spinks,then tyson vs bruno,a declined tyson and it only got worse for tyson until douglas woke him up a little and tyson went in adn destroyed stewart who had holyfield in big trouble!!! SO you see the different mental tyson was there after douglas BUT the physical tyson was never there after spinks.He left his best at the spinks fight.
Marciano and holyfield both great smaller heavyweights - soft spoken,
enjoy watching them more than any of the big ones that hung on each other, or danced and blathered on,
This is true. Especially considering since he was a kid, the Cus "peekaboo" style was drilled into him day and night; you can't expect a fighter to be able to switch styles that quickly. Even Cus used to say, "Make it so they couldn't do it wrong if they tried." When Tyson left Rooney, and the new guy came in, he should've known it would be a never-ending struggle.
Lou Duva still turned up at Evander's latter fights after they had split to congratulate him. I think he was so proud of what he had trained.
evander holyfield is a great man. an established icon.
Jim Lampley sent me.
If this Douglas fought Tyson, history would be totally rewritten.
Holyfield the real deal.
Apparently Douglas wasn't paying attention when he watched the Holyfield v Qawi II tape. Not only could Holy set up the right very well, but he could counter with it.
I think it is safe to say that Douglas had a good fight, but Holyfield is a good fighter !
AWESOME LOL TWO OF MY FAV BOXERS TOGETHER HAHAHA YAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The deal w/knockdowns is that the rules state that the count doesn't begin until the fighter who is standing go to a neutral corner (no trainers). The ringside guy w/the white gloves started counting too soon, and thus was ahead of the ref by two seconds. Google both "The long count fight" and utube search "Tyson vs. Douglas - identical 10-counts" & you will see that it wasn't a long 10 count.
TYson who fought spinks,from the channel 9 boxing writer,siad tyson that night beats every heavyweight who ever stepped in the ring,not becasue he beat a scared spinks but the moves he made in that short 90seconds was astonishing.The accuracy the short shots,the switching from right hand to southpaw and back to right hand and knocking spinks down for the first time in his career.TYson that night would beat the same ali that frazier beat in 1971.,
Good comeback DJK! Smart,witty response.Typical of tyson bahsers who run out of invalid points when confronted.Very typical,instead of countering (like a prime tyson would have done to douglas,holy and lewis) still didn;t answer the experts conclusion,prepuce!
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! I agree with you.watch the pre89 fights and see how bouncy and in balance tyson is and how he explodes the combinations without missing.That was another problem he stopped combination punching became a very inaccurate fighter. The way holyfield ko'd douglas,thats about how tyson of 1988 would have finished off douglas.Douglas was the same style as tony tubbs,they fought and tubbs lost a close decision to douglas,they were about equal in ability.tyson ko'd tubbs in 2
if you look at that Tyson-Douglas fight Tyson really won that fight, that was the longest 10 count I ever saw in my life. But props to Douglas for pulling it off, I mean really who would of thought right??? But Tyson's outside of the ring problems cost him the most important fights of his career (except for when he won the title's).
@Krigare100 i throughly agree with you. tyson only looked dominant against medoicre opponents over a 4 year period. ali was a force in the 60s and 70s
Ali overrated
The first obvious thing to go with tyson was his accurate combination punching.you cant tell me he was accurate vs mathis.That was a rusty shot version of the 1986-88 combo specialist.The second thing to go that damato so religiously taught in tyson ,was the constant head movement and angle of his upper body,always moving.moving,and moving,after throwing the shot,as he came in,as he backed off,as he grabbed on occasion himself,He never gave the opponent a clear target until after 1988.
I see some jealusy here.
Holyfield, the best Warrior
All the shit Tyson went through would affect EVERY fighter hell any man for that matter, Boxing is a mental game & most of the time if your head aint right you WILL lose, Tyson lost all of the fights that would of cemented his legacy,like the holyfield and lewis fights & he should of had a douglas rematch, but it just so happened that during the most important fights of Tysons career he was in turmoil outside of the ring with the wrong people around him, & every fighter need to have good people.
Tyson tried desperately to get an instant rematch but Buster wouldn't take it.
I doubt anyone who actually has watched Tyson's career doubt that the Tyson Douglas fought was really a shell of his former self. Hell, even in the first Bruno fight, Tyson was larger and slower than the Spinks fight [following Rooney leaving; quite a drastic change].
It was probably enough to knock him down but he could have got up and he more or less admits that he quit. After all, he got up from a Mike Tyson shot and that has to have been much harder than anything Holyfield could throw at him.
Douglas was beaten before he got in the ring, I think.
Buster should have gotten back in shape after this fight and continued to box. I believe he could have possibly became Champion again. Instead at that time he lost faith and quit boxing became depressed , gained weight and allmost slipped into a diabetic Coma. He came back 5 years later a different fighter then before. Buster will allways have that win over Tyson in Tokyo and thats what makes Buster a Boxing Legend.
You say Tyson didn't fight the best of his time. What fighter in Tyson's era did he miss? Please be specific.
Amusing how Jim Hill's intelligent and insightful observations were totally out of synch with the replays. LiveTV!
Holyfield wanted to be the first to defeat Tyson, but Douglas stole his glory.....Evander made him pay for that lol
@Krigare100 Most certainly. Especially since Tyson denied that same number one contender a fight.
Totally. Holyfield was way past his brilliant best when he destroyed Tyson in 1996. Tyson's fans fail to take account of the quality of the opponents he knocked out. It's all about quality and Evander fought all the best of his time - Tyson didn't.
cross defense was used to block jabs and hooks from the outside and he didnt use it that often not to mention when frazier moved in side he didnt sway side to side but he did a peek a boo motion moving his head and weaving and that whole insult made me think you were on bath salts mainly because of the zombie thing i didnt mean to insult you, frazier landed elbows but not intentionally (holyfield did) but i still think holyfields is awesome because he has heart
a good douglas got a bad tyson. a good holyfield got a bad douglas
...Evander Holyfield is the obvious one. Riddick Bowe, Lennox Lewis were both Tyson's age or older. Michael Moorer, even Vitali Klitschko.
vs mathis,tyson looked so beatable if it was a higher quality fighter,you can see how he missed so much.The tyson decline was because of his mistakes.TYson after 19088 had the youth on his side but he made alot of mistakes after leaving rooney.Remember rooneys comment after the 1989 bruno fight? "tyson in that first round made a hundred mistakes,a hundred"! Bruno rocked him in the first,should have finished him,he didnt,he should have"Thats profoundly knocking the post88 tyson.He really got flat
It looks like Douglas quit he, he looked capable of getting up...
A fighter who could take his post jail punch from all his opponents,was holyfiled but the verdict will always be out on how holyfiled would have handled the pre1989 tyson combinations."its the shots that you dont see that hurt you" angeo dundee repeated quote over the years. That was tyson pre1989 strength,he hits you with 4 punch combiantions,you see two of them but the last two get you in serious trouble and you either grab and hold for dear life or you try to fight back and get ko'd.
@cbaldwinjr tysn had alot of heart...especially since he fought lewis in 2002 knowing he wasn't goin to win the fight...it takes alot of heart going into a fight knowing that your jus here for the pay day...tyson needed the money
that fact that i feel holyfield is a performance enhancer user i agree that a prime tyson beats a prime holyfied but tyson still would of had trouble with the douglas that he fought that night because douglas in shape and focused was as good as anybody of that era. but yes tyson wins a tough fight if he's in his best shape and focused.
@johntvette what are you talking about? Tyson was about to face Holyfield after the Douglas fight...
Bizarre! Of all the things on the net I never thought I'd get a teenage boy that obviously fancies me following me around. You're wasting your time son, I'm not that way inclined.
@thundercatz713 Then you were watching the wrong fight. Tyson knocked Buster down in the eighth, not the first, and the counts were identical. There's a video of both counts running simultaneously.
This just shows human nature...
Tyson got endless credit for knocking over a long line of stiffs, drug addicts, fat blokes, has beens and never were's yet Evander got NO CREDIT for this win over the reigning World Heavyweight Champion at all. People only want to see punching power and knockouts; when Tyson LOST against the only top class prime fighters he fought people made excuses to keep the myth alive.
@09Brant DOuglas was a good technician and if he had such a fire in him,he wouldnt have been knocked down by a walking blind corpse of a tyson 8th round.DOuglas had fire and was in shape for Tucker because that was for the IBF belt and he was fighting that night for his father who trained him.He was motivated and in shape and tucker beat him as soon as tucker found the opening as the walking corpse tyson did in the 8th. The way holy banged with bowe,he never would have lost to any douglas.
Tucker and green both ran for 12 rounds.Green was a tough guy who was a leader of a very crazy gang in jamaica queens. He was authentically tough and tyson was better a year AFTER tucker. This is some of the claims of the tyson bashers claiming that tyson was ovverrated because he couldnt finish off a runner or a bonehugger??? You see,if the opponents opened up they would ALL get ko'd so they tried tpo survive and grab and clinch their way to a lucky punch(smith) or tyson getting tired .
Tyson would been just as great in Any ERA...
Exactly
dont forget mike ran away from big george foreman and holyfield took foremans punches right on the chin!
No both holyfield and foreman ran away from Tyson
I wish Tyson fought Holyfield right after this. I hate that he wasted his time with a 2nd fight with Razor Ruddock not taking anything away from my Canadian friend.
Tyson would have beaten holyfield in 91
@@theinformationbomber7102 I agree 👍
@@wavyamar ruddock was the biggest puncher of that time
holyfield avoided him to fight a 42 year old foreman
Tyson should get a lot of credit for those 2 wins
@@theinformationbomber7102 I fully agree and knocked him down a lot even with a counter jab from the southpaw position in the 2nd fight
@funkyflights I totally agree
Evander already beat Tyson at the Olympics
Douglas order pizza when training. Must of taste good.
buster douglas refused to fight him.... tyson wanted a rematch ASAP
that was single handely the funniest comment i have read in a while holyfield didnt knock out the guys faster and barly could pull a win on both stewart and holmes yet hes better? jesus holyfield defense is not as good hes punching power is not as good he dosnt have speed he has one thing and that is heart he has an amazing will and determination
He was out of shape becasue Lou Duva sent pizzas to douglas room every day 2 weeks before the fight.
Against holyfield ,tyson went in there expecting to ko the supposedly shot holy with tysons crappy head hunting attack,jab/right hand that missesfollowed by the left hook that misses.Always and holy knew becasue he was a crafty smart fighter,how to nullify this easy attack by a smaller guy.Holy would have his hands full with the 1988 tyson version becasue that tyson would be throwing 4 punch combinations and always moving himself.In the rematch,tyson looked better but the 88 model was 9 yrs past
Douglas had no class. First, he disrespected the sport by showing up terribly out of shape, then he left the ring without offering congrats to Holyfield.
douglas knockdown first but he is lucky that the bell rings, for me tyson is a winner!!!
tyson holy fight ,aside from tyson fighting at 40% of his original 1988 ability andholyfield geting up and being as good as he ever was for a fight,you see after tyson shot off his one punch shots 5th round, and in the 6th you see holy bouncing up right into tysons temple and ripping his eyebrow and giving him a slight concussion.that was the end of tyson in that 6th round because that was the way holy continued fighting him by head ramming him as tyson attacked him with one punch at a time
@thundercatz713 So what. Douglas could have gotten up at the count of 3 if he wanted to.....Tyson was knocked out. He was finished. No count controversy, just a good old fashioned ass kicking.
No he was knocked out
thats right
Yeah well that's because without Rooney, Tyson is not Tyson.
All he is from that point is a quick, hard hitter looking for an early exit to a fight... but there's no combinations, or very few like the old Tyson - no strategy, no real plan, he's just trying to knock them out, but he's no longer a boxer using his assets and advantages.
Without Rooney there's no headmovement, no nothing. And from that point he just gradually gets worse and worse.
@SimsGamer240 i agree. i think evander never got the credit he deserved
but that dosnt mean tyson wouldnt beat him before he went to jail and before he got rid of rooney if he never went to jail and kept that amazing peek a boo style and fluid head movement along with his 3 punch combo he would beat holyfield not to mention holyfield headbutted tyson and tyson during the first fight rocked holyfield the first round and in their second fight holyfield was rocked 2nd and 3rd round not to mention second fight had 15 headbutts before the ear bite
Wrong. The sanctioning bodies ordered Douglas to fight Holyfield, who was the number one contender. Why should Evander have to step aside for Tyson?
But to the tyson bashers,they like to cling on to tyson not koing tillis,smith,tucker and green,those are the claims they make about tyson in his prime BUT tyason was a better fighter in late 87-88 then he was in early 87 and certainly better then 86.The problem is that it all crumbled in 89!!
watch tyson vs tubbs,tubbs was about the same ability in jabbing,chin,movement(excellent tough overweight fighter who foought his best overweight.TYson was losing that fight going into the second half of the second round,In fact,ironically being in tokyo,tubbs was starting to pull a douglas on tyson but the difference in the two tysons was clear,this 1988 version of tyson got a wicked combination off and a wicked bolo to a 6 inch left hook all in less then 3 seconds,ripped tubbs eyebrow in half
part of the game tyson should have used smart and used his elbows like joe frazier did,no excuses man he got his ass whipped!
"as easily as he used to beat everyone",that was your quote but thats where you make the miscalculation because the better tyson of 86-88 was approaching the fights in a more technical way so if he faced the better fighters ,he could beat them with the more technical style and look better vs the better guys.Thats when damatos style excelled,not vs the subpar bums.you didnt need tyson of pre89 ability to beat subpars.You needed pre 89 tyson to keep bobbing for 12 rounds vs the better guys
@Krigare100 He also pulled out of scheduled fight with Holyfield before he went to jail.
@gomachols UH Evander was the perfect student. Duva has the brains pal.
@09Brant I dont think so,evander would have beaten him in any shape,this was holyfield time after tyson fizzled out from the glory mid 80's.
@Krigare100 TYSON HAS NEVER AVENGED A PRO LOSS- THATS A UNCHARACTERISTICAL OF A GREAT FIGHTER
@thundercatz713
i agree. tyson was the better boxer. it's just that everybody then was against him.
I think Holyfield was on Steroids and i also think Douglas took a dive. He was fine after that knockdown and chose to stay down.
Well the thing is, you can clearly see he beat a bad Tyson.
I mean seriously - look at Tyson fights of 86-88 and tell me that's the same guy in there with Douglas.
As soon as Tyson fired Rooney he was done for. He had no fight gameplans except for trying to go for an instant one punch headshot.
Against Douglas he just sluggishly walked towards Douglas trying to get a lucky shot, that's a bum Tyson. Prime Tyson was a speedy, ducking, weaving combo monster.
The bruno of 1989 would have stopped this post jail tyson.
nvm about pinklon thomas mike knocked him out in the 6th still it was a one sided fight unlike when thomas fought holyfield
douglas didnt need to fight back vs a stand up stationary disinterested tyson who didnt train and shot off his one head hunting shot and it didnt find the mark on douglas and tyson gave up b the third round.DOuglas kept breaking tysons rhythm with jabs and right hands.Tyson didnt have the 4 punch combination explosive attack after 1988 anymore.did you notice,when ,aside from one combination on ruddock in thier first fight in the 4th round,did you see tyson throw a 4 or 5 punch combination??
What DO they teach kids in school these days? Not anything useful like use of the English language.
Frazier on march 71 would have beaten any ali model including clay.TYson vs holmes and spinks would have beaten any fighter except foreman of 73.
@09Brant tyson gave up in this fight in the 4th round because if you watch the fight especially in the 3rd,4th ,5th rounds,you see douglas sort of simmering into a levelpace and the tyson we all remembered should have taken over around those rounds.He should have thrown his shots with bad intentions as he did with pinklon thomas after thomas was starting to win the 4th and 5th rounds.That was his chance cause douglas was basically doing nothing .
God Pernell looks tiny compare to Holyfield guess thats why they have weight classes
Any fighter who would decide to fight tyson,would be in serious trouble.How do you beat a guy who is not only stronger but faster? You beat him with smarts but tyson in his prime conditioned days was so flexible,accurate and was the best listener when he was with rooney and Lou Duva says holy was the best listener.This is very important in every subtle punch and posture with tyson.He had it all working in unison as frazier did in 1971.Nothing was going to save ali that night.NOTHING.
what years was this fight and why didnt we see tyson fight holyfield like a year after this fight man the money men jus where too greedy get up doug get up up stop looking at the money mann get up
@SimsGamer240
Tyson wasn't the same guy after the Robin Givens debacle in his personal life... He never truly had the heart anymore... Tyson in his prime was too fast and too hungry ... His window was small but in that window I think Tyson was virtually unbeatable... Just go look at the difference when Tyson was hungry and training hard and believed...
indeed but that day tyson wasnt good
@thundercatz713 Tyson lost because he didn't get up as fast as douglas did. RUclips identical count. There's a video and make sure you watch it with glasses.
douglas best punch is the jab and straight right ,,,not the uppercut ,,
3 yr prime,only the power was brought into his other careers but thats not what made him the best fighter since ali and louis,it was the other traits that he abandoned,head movement for 12 rounds,foot movement for 12 rounds,punching in combinations and angle combinations,body combinations,side to side movement,etc. Regardless of how you interpret these facts,they do make a fighter BETTER then when he doesn;t utilize them. true,belive it,it's true.Hope this got thru the foreskin on your head.
so much for mother....
I'm not arguing with you because judging by your spelling and grammar you are around 9 years old and that wouldn't be fair.
Suffice to say Tyson was knocked out before and after prison and only amassed that great record because he reigned in an era with mediocre talent. Don't talk about Holyfield breaking rules when he wasn't warned or disqualified like Tyson.
Holyfield is a proven PEDs abusing cheater
tyson knocked buster out in the 8th round for 13 seconds
@09Brant Yeah lou,Sending those free pizzas to douglas hotel room every night was a GOOD strategy!!!
@combatesdeboxeo
it also doesnt take a boxing genius to see that when tyson fought douglas he was completely out of his game, a shell. even his trainers admitted he started slacking hard in the gym, everyone knows he stopped training properly after rooney
@09Brant If I were tysons trainer,I would have had tyson thorowing his jab all night to nullify douglas jab.,This should have been a decision win for tyson as tyson outpointed tucker.
i agree that his outside the ring issues had an major effect on his career. but douglas would have gotten up anyway. what really saved douglas was the bell. if tyson had another 30 seconds he would have finished him of then. but yes props to buster. what really killed tysons career though was that bullshit rape conviction. i just think he was never mentally in it after that.
@09Brant Im just joking but I disagree.Douglas was bouncy ,in shape and his style was the style to give a tysons style a little trouble BUT frazier the night he beat ali 1971,beats tokyo douglas so it was possible for tyson to beat him that night.TYson needed to NULLIFY DOUGLAS JAB becuase thats what set up everything else.
yeah I heard about that, seems to me like the bitch got around just fine, & its a real shame too. Who knows how many great Tyson fights we could of saw in those years he was locked up.
@250honda Ha! WRONG. While MT in jail, wasn't getting hit. Holyfield was fighting wars w/ bigger quality fighters - not jokes seldon, mcneely, mathis....MT = past his prime, but in 96 EH was WAY past prime, had already REITIRED once. He was older than MT, had been through more wars, & a heart problm. He was 25-1 underdog for reason, & I'm SURE you were in the 99.9% saying Holy had ZERO chance. Prime MT vs EH = same outcome... EH = more skills, equal chin, equal speed, greater will...FACT.
@kingzula yep true, but both would of lost to a focused Tyson.
@jason60152 Im over my head. Your probably right.
@BamaChris He kicked Tyson's ass.
Frazier of 71 model would beat ali of 73 who beat frazier in the rematch,Joe was clearly not nearly the same of the 71 model. Just like tyson vs holmes and spinks,then tyson vs bruno,a declined tyson and it only got worse for tyson until douglas woke him up a little and tyson went in adn destroyed stewart who had holyfield in big trouble!!! SO you see the different mental tyson was there after douglas BUT the physical tyson was never there after spinks.He left his best at the spinks fight.