Nice video. A joke I saw that made me laugh was, "If I had a dollar for every female that found me unattractive, they would eventually find me attractive."
I’ve been using tinder and bumble for about a week and I can say I’ve never felt worse about myself in my life - men are treated like garbage by women on these aps, doesn’t matter how good ur pics are or how creative your texts are - I constantly get liked and match with women who never communicate - I’m steps away from from giving up all together - I’m much more effective in person anyways - thanks for this video
Online dating is like fishing. You can be the worlds most renounced pro fisherman and go out to sea just to come home empty handed. These apps are the same way so long as your profile is well constructed and perfect looking. In person is more efficient. But you gotta manage that in between a 40 hour work week with 8 hours of sleep. So you have a maximum of 8 hours a day to find time to go out just to also maybe come home empty handed with no ig handles or numbers
Hey Phil - It's not men, its the setup. I normally don't reply to post but something told me to tell you that you have to go old school like me (GenX-er) and basically chat up women "in the wild." Actually, in NYC here women complain of not being approached and secretly DO want men to come up to them. Honestly, if you're socially adept and not a troll, the pickens are really there, anywhere. Just get out there. Peace.
Soy un hombre majo, relativamente guapo, independiente, con un posgrado, deportista y gracioso, pero tengo el pelo un poco más largo en un lado. CULPABLE!!! 😂😂😂 Gracias hermano por compartir. En mi opinion tienes toda la razón, pero hay que acordarse que las mujeres tan poco son felices con este sistema porque solo se encuentran con hombres que quieren un polvo y les hace ghosting después. Muchas se quejan y preguntan “¿Donde están los hombres majos?” Y aquí empieza la mentira… Muchas mujeres “normales” piensan que pueden ligar con chicos “al top” y eso es la mentira que les vende Tinder. Esas apps venden la posibilidad de encontrar al príncipe azul y juegan con las inseguridades y los deseos inconscientes de las mujeres. Si que puede pasar que una mujer “normal” liga con un hombre del TOP 10%, pero esos chicos nunca tendrán relaciones con ellas porque están a fuera de su liga. El 10% de hombres al TOP usan mujeres por su propio placer, como hacen los psicopatas. Y si yo estaría en el 10%, probablemente haría lo mismo porque es facilísimo. Entonces, considerando que los hombres en el TOP 10% tienen toda la atención, es muy fácil para ellos de rechazar a cualquiera mujer porque tienen miles de opciones. Dicho de otra manera, las mujeres también han caído en la trampa de esos algoritmos que favorecen a solo 10% de los hombres. Son los hombres del TOP 10% al final que siempre ganan, y el resto perdimos todos, mujeres y hombres. El resto de los hombres - el 90% - son los chicos normales de toda la vida y Tinder hace su dinero jugando con nuestra frustración, soledad y esperanza para hacer su dinero. Piénsalo, que pasaría si encontraríamos a una pareja compatible en 1 mes? Tinder perdería dinero, no? No sería rentable. Mejor que te mantienen en un estado mental de frustración porque así pagarás por Premium esperando que eso te ayudará a ligar con más mujeres. Y aquí es la mentira que vende Tinder a los hombres… Si no eres parte de esos 10% de hombres favorecidos por el algoritmo, no vas a ligar en esas apps porque no están hechas para ti. Tu eres el pescado pequeño que da de comer a los gordos! ¿Sabías que si eres parte del TOP 10%, Tinder te regalan Premium? Claro que si, porque eres el pescado gordo que traje la comida… ¿Como saber si eres parte del 10%? Fácil…. ¿Tienes match casi cada ves que das por la derecha? Si no es tu caso, es que estás en el 90% - como yo - y entonces recibirás entre 0 y 10 likes a la semana. De esos likes, muchos son bots creados por Tinder (que nunca te contestarán después de un “match”) o personas no compatible contigo. Todo eso está diseñado así, para que te quedas en la plataforma. Tinder no te ayudará a encontrar el amor. Es un business que te manipula conscientemente para tener tu dinero. Y no hay que estar enfadado con Tinder, porque es su misión de hacer dinero, de cualquiera manera. Pero, el momento que te darás cuenta que eres el pescado pequeño, tendrás dos opciones: 1) quedarte en la plataforma y dar de comer al TOP 10%; o 2) desinstalar esas apps definitivamente y intentar ligar de otra manera. Una cosa es cierta, si eres parte del 90% y te quedas esperando encontrar el amor, últimamente sufrirás 😩 En mi opinion, si eres parte del 90%, mejor dejarlo porque vas a perder tu tiempo, tu dinero, tu confianza en ti mismo y tu salud mental. Tendrás mejor resultados intentar ligar por la calle en plan “cold approach”.
"If you are an attractive woman why are you on these apps?". By the same token, I will never believe a rich guy with a yacht and a downtown penthouse will waste a minute of his life on Tinder.
Love is not sth automatic, especially not serious relationship between compatible parties. Many have C-PTSD or other stress from this wonderful world. Goes for both good women as for Yachters.Why do yong (swedish) men dress badly and have nicer dressed girlfriends?
And it's weird because we are not Incels because we are fugly or don't want women. We are INVOLUNATRY cells because we can't get any attraction even though we are normal to above normal looking people.
@@bhillboy37 100 percent agreed … perfectly average looking and even above average ( 5-7 in looks ) are completely invisible … but i must urge us as men to not blame and finger point .. accept it for what it is and look inward .. start a new hobby , start working out , start a diet , learn how to play an instrument , never blame anyone for your current outcome , just do you !
@@vileproductions8511 I'm not an Incel per se but I say "we" in solidarity with average men who are catching heck attracting average wmn. It trickles down. When above average men with above average looks and incomes are getting treated like "the help", I have to stand strong with those guys.
Because they aren't getting real connection either. They're getting pump and dumped by the same 5% of guys that have all the options. The key is in their hands, but they refuse to accept their own reality and place themselves in a league where they stand a chance of not getting bounced for the next easy lay. They all want to throw themselves in the big leagues where they get chewed up and spit out. These 8-9 level guys will bang right down to a 5 if it is easy, available, and ready when they want to dump a load. Then these 5s and 6s throw themselves legs spread into action. It's easy for the top tier men, and they'll keep churning through easy ass, enjoying their freedom while racking up a big body count, until they eventually get a top tier women that they can tolerate and settle down with. When women say "there's no good men" they mean that they've finally found themselves invisible to the highest tier dick.
Because the choices suck so many are douchebags, gay in disguise, slobs, hookup only, threesome, has kids already, smokes, drinks, thug, criminal, drugs like make a account as girl and see what im talking about
yup.. it wasn’t always like this .. average men would find some success 5-7 years ago .. but as every year passes , it gets worse and worse .. it’s basically already at chads only
i think the reason men have such high swipe %’s is a result of women’s high standards. from my personal experience, I used to be fairly picky and wouldnt swipe on girls uglier than me..but as I got no results I lowered my standards out of necessity. ofcourse this in-turn makes women more selective. it’s a brutal spiral of self-reinforcing male loneliness.
@@ExposingTheLies360 no...they’re for everyone....other than sub-8/10 heterosexual men. dating apps are great if you’re gay. the problem isn’t the dating app, it’s the women on the dating app
@Chessplayer101 Actually the problem are men, not women By having no standards on who we enter inside, we allowed them to be the picker of the best option If you go to any other country - it's the other way, women desperately want a guy, and you will see guys who are 3-4 dating/married with 7-10/10 ^ the reason is because, guys can't freely hookup with anyone - if they do, and break apart, the daughters father and brothers will find him and beat him up for using their daughter (even if she is ok with it), so given the issues and social norms guys rather focus on the best marriage material So online - I know it's time consuming and hard, but we swipe right on almost everyone - cuz we r like let's see who we get matched with, but casting the net wide can get you bad quality fish most of the time and smarter one's will avoid the net easily It's best to selectively swipe right, at the end of the day - when you pick a girl you either want to sleep with or have relationship ^ you can like the lesser 1-6's still, but let them know you only want casual with them so they know you are never attainable for them, they can only enjoy the movie once or twice Then the 7-10's - you can actually date But your 1-10 and mine is not the same, I don't take just looks into consideration, but also behavior, trauma, how much she's been around the carousel and so on... Most of the time there is not even 8/10 nowadays at least in western countries, it's all 6/10 with all that into consideration
You're tall, lean, fit, with all your hair and with a good income and yet online dating is still hard for you. How do you think the rest of us feel? Ha, the best thing to do is to stop paying dating apps your money. Why do you have to be someone important to even manage to date an average woman?
You don't have to be someone important to date an average woman. You just need to stop listening to men talking about women to learn about women. You learn about women from listening to women.
Where do you get that from, who said you have to be important? DEvelop yourself, learn and practise some good lifestyle and habits, get healed from your past (if you find a good therapist or self-help program. And please seek your woman in reasonable places... Stop complaining, look at yourself and get to work. I am so sorry for the bad-behaving women. But there are all the rest of us real ones.
APPS WILL KILL CONFIDENCE. i GET NOTHING ON DAATING APPS. THOUGHT I WAS UGLY. BUT THE MORE I GO OUT AND SOCIALIZE THE MORE I REALIZE U CANT TRUST APPS FOR SELF WORTH
Dating apps should be declared false advertising, and be declared banned in most countries. It playes with people expectations, much worse than online gambling or alchohol commercials, which are seen as the bad influencers.
It goes well beyond just attractive / unattractive. All aspects of a person are used for shallow comparison, and women are by far the worst offenders when it comes to who they rule out. Online dating concentrates the worst aspects of women, and reveals that men are just things to be exploited by women and society. I could: get in great shape, get a lot of money and success, and then -- have some woman use me? So it turns out, I don't matter. Who men actually are doesn't matter. We're just things to be used and discarded.
@Patsk88 I get why you are feeling that way, but I can tell you women are experiencing the same thing. I don't know even one of my female friends who hasn't experienced what you said. Unfortunately this is the modern society and how dating apps work. It's not just a gender issue. I am a woman myself and I can't even begin to tell you how many times men have treated me like an object. Never cared to get to know me and ghosted me when I always send a message to people if for some reasons I didn't feel a connection with them instead of ghosting them and/or trying to check if they were still around 1 month later ( like it happened to me when one guy was seeing multiple girls at the same time and ghosted me just to contact me again 1 month later...) I myself have lowered my standards because I am looking for a partner, not a model. Yet, I keep getting guys who say they want a relationship but on the very first date act like they want something different. I tried to pay for the first round of drinks multiple times, but many ( not all, thank god!) almost got mad at me for even trying to pay. I always try to be fair. I even asked out guys in person and online as I don't think it's fair men have to do everything. I was then told that I am very pretty but I am too independent and smart, a business woman ( am I? LOL) etc...and no, those were not compliment...I wish they were. So, what is it that men want? And what is it that women want? If I try to be nice and fair, they don't like it because it hurts their egos, if I try to be more balanced it's the same. Some women also do the same, they want this and that yet when the time comes to act on what they say, they just do completely the opposite. Incoherent right? Yes. I am tired of hearing women are like this and like that and poor men suffering. I am also tired of hearing women are the only one suffering because men are bad. This is not a war! It's just how (unfortunately) the modern society is...
@@Lyra94forever let me guess, you were going after the above average good looking men who had all the options, and you did not give the average Joes the time of day.
@@rickV-zy6eh the above average? The last two guys I dated were everything except what people describe as " good looking" yet they were good looking in my eyes and they had amazing personalities. A relationship is not just based on looks. I can ask you the same thing. Are you sure you were not going after the "above average" ( whatever that means...beauty is not objective!) women? No, you don't need to reply. I have lived in three different countries and in one of them ( South Korea) they had crazy beauty standards. Many people (women and men) get plastic surgery a lot there to fit their society standards. Beauty is also perceived differently in many country, including UK and Italy. I wish people would stop with this beauty thing etc and stop blaming the other gender for all their problems. Should I go around and be mad to all men out there for being stalked multiple times on my way home? Should I blame you or all men out there for touching my ass in the train while I was minding my own business and going to school and I was only 16? Should I blame all men out there because the boys at school bullied me for 3 years because I wasn't tanned but pale compared to the average person in my area? Should I blame all men out there for sexual abuse, horrible comments etc they often made about me for no specific reasons just to try and hit on me the week after? NO! I DON'T! Why? Because I am aware that not everyone is like that. But If I have to follow your thought process I should blame all men in this world for destroying part of my confidence. But I have never done that. That makes no sense. If someone had terrible experiences with the other gender and keeps blaming them for everything, perhaps it's time for therapy since it can be a trauma. Finally, if you want to keep believing that and you want to keep blaming all the women out there for your own problems go ahead, there is nothing that will make you change your mind anyway and I will definitely not even attempt to do that or reply again. Have a lovely rest of the day!
Kevin Samuels.. said it best. If you're an average guy don't even date. Especially in the black community... Work on yourself, then get your money up.,
Almost every video I've seen that presents data (even if it's not that much) proves how skewed the online dating game is. It's a crap shoot at best. And the shadowban thing? That's actually quite accurate. You can be desperately thirsty swiping right at EVERYTHING, and you're most likely going to be shadowbanned or shoved to the bottom of the stack. Great video and very informative!
@@susanprincell7225 yes, it must totally skew the data. There is way too much trust in the apps and the algorithm having peoples best interest as an aim. Apps are there to make money.
Women definitely have it too easy. I first realized how imbalanced it was when there was a girl I knew that I would rate as a 4 or 5 and she said guys were asking her out all the time. No wonder a lot of these women think they are 10s and can get top guys. They don’t really have to try that hard to get anyone
Bro I literally dated like a 6 the past two months because I assumed before hand “oh she’s not going to be getting the same amount of attention from guys. She will have a better personality.” Butttt nahh. She’s by far not the most attractive woman I’ve been with, but she had this vibe like she thought she was 8+ due to all the men that reach out to her on hinge. In a real life normal vetting process nothing would have gone wrong she was so into me at the start but boom once she got slightly bored and saw some other option she’s gone with the wind never speak again type shit, it’s absurd.
It's just brutal man. Online dating is not for the faint of heart - especially men. I'm 155 lbs at my heaviest. I'm not muscular. I'm mostly skinny. Women call me handsome or cute in the real world a lot. Online dating has produced next to nothing for me. My ex was 160 lbs. Worked out. Slim thick. Bubble butt. Pretty eyes. Nice hair. I met her in the real world. Anyone that looks like her online is not swiping on me. The pickens are slim in real life but I'll get women I'm actually attracted to. The apps give me women I just don't want to swipe on or are meh. Sorry. I'd rather sweat it out in the real world. Online dating apps devalue my attractiveness.
Wow. I think this is the most comprehensive video I have ever seen regarding online dating. Makes me wanna delete my Tinder account at this point to be honest, because the statistics combined with everything you say make sense. Brilliant job 👏👏👏
I know men who use dating apps to find women with low self esteem (not hard btw) they drive over to her place to hook up then exchange a free text now number only to block and delete/ghost her afterwards. They can set a fast hook up in about 20 minutes after logging onto the app. Then they return to the girl they are living with who most likely knows and doesn’t care and is taking care of the 3 children they have together.
My neighbor, a nice guy with good job, nice home and decent looking guy, finally got fed up with these American princesses and their ridiculous standards. He flew to Mexico and found him a beautiful young woman and married her. Still together 15 years later. She appreciates him those qualities. Men: Leave these primadonnas to rot on Hinge, Bumble, Tinder, OK stupid etc. Another friend dated a 60 year old - you heard me SIXTY - for about two weeks. She was ok for her age. Guy was 6'2", great job, home, polite etc - she ghosted him after two weeks - not even a text. This is what is out there. Even the old hags are in control in this horrid environment. Focus on yourself. Build your life. Put the Match Group out of business!
I wonder if being extremely picky, creating a fake account to test what you think is attractive, and using them together will get the women "above your league" to like you. I can't believe how much tinder has changed since 2018 this is nuts man. I miss the way it used to he. I think it was fine back then
It must've changed. A guy at my job who is not good looking claimed he hooked up with girls via tinder but that was years ago. Meanwhile I'm lucky if I get a solid conversation
I noticed a lot of the women are single mother's and overweight when I was on the apps. I decided it was not really worth my time, rolling solo is easier .
the funny thing about cohorts or whatever is , if you’re in a lower tier co hort , the top women probably deem you was not attractive ( don’t feel bad , 80 percent of women find majority of men unattractive , perfectly average or above average men are invisible ) so paying to be “ shown “ to the top women is dumb… basically , if you’re not getting swiped right on, paying isn’t gonna change anything lol if women find you attractive you’ll be in the cohort
Wow. This is worse than I thought. I’m 6’3, look like a Franco brother, but I’m really skinny. I’m toned, but super scrawny. I thought that was the reason I wasn’t getting matches. It still could be a factor… But damn! Needed this for my mental health.
@@paulclark6988 for me it depends on my mood. Also sometimes it's hard to find someone. I remember downtown Cleveland once to run some day game only found 3 girls in five hour period
this is an absolute fact. I put my app accounts next to my friends' who are in the same age and income range and they were given entirely different matches than mine
What about the fact that over 50% (higher on some apps than others) are bots or scammer profiles? A very small % of users are real, and active. Bottom line, dating apps are a joke.
Tinder doesn't work for facially less attractive men. You could be 9/10 in looks and be broke, unemployed, and fresh out of college but still have a greater chance of initial success (even if it's for a one night stand or some attention depending on what you're after) than a guy with 4/10 looks but is rich since he doesn't stand out as women consider him ugly and that someone better will come along. It's very superficial and is essentially endless profile shopping since men outnumber women online. I've quit using these apps years ago and prefer cold approaches, meeting women in public and through social circles as I found it to be a more successful and healthy way of developing your social skills, confidence and game in-person - I haven't looked back since.
You went the right direction with it. The last couple years I've got plenty of compliments in real life from women. IRL I feel like at least a 7. The apps make me feel like a 4. The disparity is huge and jarring.
Ladies, are you watching? Or are you only looking at video's telling women they shouldn't lower standards and that they all deserve a male model? Probably the last thing.
Most aren’t looking for models. Women search on how to look for established men more than looks. The most popular videos is about getting established man and providers. I haven’t seen videos on how to get the hot guy. Most of us don’t care
It's pretty egregious to have this discussion of men being at such a disadvantage on these apps without bringing up the obvious, that there are far more men on them than women. It's about a 2:1 ratio on OKCupid, or even worse at 3:1 on Tinder, and that should be your FIRST reason why men have a harder time, not this 80/20 BS you wanna focus on.
i got 8.0 on photofeelers ,yet not even the obese women match me at bumble/tinder WTF is wrong with this world.. things like this fu** with my brain, and i even started missing my ex despite how awful she was to me (hitting, insulting etc)
So does this mean either a human being or an algorithm is rating the quality of a dating profile to make sure it's only shown to the appropriate subgroup?
Dude, there is something really sick and quasi fishy about these apps. Agree that Hinge shows me the least attractive women (imo). Bumble will show me attractive women but half of them seem to be bots. Other times, it seems like I do go on a run and see more attractive profiles shown to me but this comes in cycles. The timing is very strange. But yeah, I have paid for super swipes and other features this summer but I literally can't buy a date, or really even a match. And imo I don't have a bad profile. I'm fairly attractive, provide both group and individual photos, include a fleshed out profile. So, I have no freaking idea how to get dates on these apps. It's pathetic that I could go the whole summer and not get one date. I have approached a couple girls in public but right away I could tell the girls were not open to talking to a stranger. So, I get negative reinforcement everywhere. God, it's so great to be a guy in these times.
What about all the men who swipe right on everyone, not out of openness but simply to save time and to get the power to say yay or nay to everything that comes back. Their swipe data is going to be terrible but - other than inflating egos - though I don't know why women don't know that men are doing this and not let it flex their egos - isn't that going against the conclusions from the swipe data?
Hey WL, awesome video! I was looking around for these types of apps, like, which one would be good for my age (50+), looking for possible relationship, and thanks to the data and economics you provide, I have serious doubts about their honest efficiency. Looks like the marketplace is indeed about numbers based on "cohort hell" as you eloquently expose. Yeah, was expecting Hinge could be good for me, but the data bias you expose is obvious, more than I thought, and since I have no competitive "status", I guess I won't waste serious time on these things. Thx for awesome research.
In the beginning of dating apps like 2007, women were with it. Getting back, setting up dates etc. By 2017 it was over. Women not matching with me or talking a little bit then ghosting. Over the last 5 years I've been on 4 or 5 apps and been on maybe 4 dates total. I still look the same. No weight gain or hair loss. Only thing I can think of is that women are being more choosy. It was so frustrating I got off of all the apps. I get the same couple of dates a year but at least I'm not banging my head against a brick wall.
Rating is an interesting thing because it's bases on a baseline- look up the algo rating system. The relativesness of your 4 to everyone else's belief of 4 screws where you are. Maybe you're a 6 and ten it's just much significantly higher and smaller group then any group the majority can enter with there system. This almost makes me want to go back to meeting people in person. I hate this shit already
Same conclusion here, I consider myself a 6-7 but I only attract 3's and 4's. Never understood the 'so many hot girls with ugly guys', I constantly see the opposote, it's men who are dating down lookswise.
@@lennertcornette I think that if you looks match with a female, then as a guy, you have to bring to the table more than just your looks. Eg Status, Game and money The higher your SMV compared to her the more you can be indifferent and nonchalant with her, which actually makes her more interested in you!
Been trying out Hinge for the last week with no luck so far. Not sure if it's a waste of time or not. I've never approached a woman in person before but not because I'm scared of women… it's because I don't feel confident I'd find a woman who's not some crazy feminist. As a young conservative, I feel like there aren't a lot of women my age with the same mindset. I think it's more likely I'll die a lonely romantic.
If only I could get 2% of women liking me I'd be happy. The very, very, very few women I match with are either scammers, not women, only looking for social media followers, or never respond to messages.
the incredible part for women is that been that selective I wonder how bad it would be for them to stay on a stable relationship when they get only the top from their matches
Haven't finished the video yet, just found you thanks for the statistics! I think alot of men get into apps due to basically only having like weekends to go out to meet people. Question is, what should single men do nowadays, just keep it old school?
@@williamleiss4 agree. I am newly single after like a long 8 year one. Dating sites have got super popular over that time. My experience has been terrible lol but hearing the stats, no wonder. Thanks again.
I refuse to pay anything for these apps anymore...if I happen to match with someone I like and we hit it off, cool. If not, also cool I'm good. Lots of other things in life to keep me occupied and spend my money on.
All data is confirming ~5% of men AT BEST are getting lots of attention. Some stats suggest worse (2% of men) but yeah it’s tough. There’s a clear imbalance in the market and either society will collapse under the weight of a lot of lonely guys opting out from society or the system will have to change. I do not want to sound doomer, but it’s hard to imagine a lot of guys working harder then previous generations for girls who don’t want them and would rather chase Chads.. makes no sense. It’s likely we’ll see a lot of redpill/blackpill stuff get popular this decade.
Women are generally attracted to masculinity. Unfortunately I don’t blame the women for their high standards but instead blame majority of men for becoming more feminine. Women who like you for money or status only likes the money and status, so that’s off topic. Exercise helps, for both genders. But in the case of dating apps, looks are subjective. The only thing you can improve is displaying crisp clean pictures and poses and to leave out your graphic tee’s from the shot.
I think what the hinge Redditors were saying was that you dont appeal to any particular group, making you just “good” to all girls rather than very good to some girls and not good at all to some others. Lets say you have a B+ in mathematics and chemistry, and your friend has a C in math but an A in chemistry, and a third friend the opposite. Who would an engineer hire? Who would a researcher hire? Who gets left out at the end?
Yeah my experience is if you make your profile say "I will take you on art dates" rather than "my typical sunday is art stuff, working out, and hanging with friends" you get far more dates. Be specific, be niche, and be interesting. It's quite literally an ad for you, needs a hook, needs a product, needs to be positive. Have "okay looks", Get some art pictures, a beret, dress in black, etc. You will be drowning. Have "okay looks", Get some pictures DMing, pictures in fantasy garb, make jokes about roleplay, and go to the local gaming groups. You will be drowning. Nobody wants to go hiking with the average looking dude at the top of the local easy trail, everybody goes on occasional hikes. They want to go with the guy who knows how to survive in the backcountry. Just imagine how safe you will feel on the local easy trails with that man with you. He will take you to all the scenic spots and carry all the heavy gear, you get some instagram pictures, and you don't even have to go to the backcountry since he can go with his friends.
Ok glad to know I’m not the only one that’s having trouble in the dfw I recently moved here and I went home to missisippi to visit family my mom goes “you have more options in dfw how’s the dating scene” I respond that I’m having a hard time She says exactly what you said at the 23:59 mark “is it cuz there’s pro athletes and people with more money than you” sh was spot on 😂
Paying for dating apps is a scam. Their goal isn’t to help you find someone because if you do you will unsubscribe which = no more money Paid dating apps are a scam.
Not sure I agree that women only get shown people above them and men below. If that were true there's no way in hell women would be swiping so little and men so much. I'm more of the belief that women and men get shown everyone, and women just aren't swiping right on most guys cause most guys don't have good enough pictures or they aren't hot enough. It's possible that the app will eventually show women more of the kind of guy that they like, but I don't think they're ONLY seeing guys above them at all times.
Nah, I don’t get shown attractive women. Im on hinge and it’s inconsistent. I’ll get average girls, and then suddenly out of the blue I get a stack of obese cows. All the hot ones are in standouts.
I was thinking the exact same thing. And even more, (if we follow the 80/20 rule for our numbers) average women are only being shown men in the top 20% and STILL only swiping right 5% of the time... im out.
Same bro; I'm tall, not fat, tried all kinds of outfits, hairstyles, poses... never got higher than 5.1 If you're average looking it really doesn't matter what you do it seems to me
I look at men finding 53% of women good enough for a swipe as an extremely bad sign. You are not going to get on with 53% of women or find them truly attractive. The desperation is killing the market, I think mine is closer to 5%, any more than that and it will just be a dead match which will ruin the algorithm. (edit, seems you said the exact same thing about 3 minutes later)
It’s the human vending machine. It’s like Amazon. It’s sad. They only go by looks and hoping the personality is there. It’s backass wards And you can tell people that are on a date from dating apps, especially the women they’re still looking around in the restaurant while they are with their date😂😂😂
Btw. for those that haven't used photofeeler, u can't take the attractiveness at face value, in fact it's nearly useless. First, you have to make sure you're getting votes from only females + the ages of females you'd roughly be looking for. Second, for some reason even on the anonymous voting you tend to get +1-3 more attractiveness based on the overall picture + your smile, not so relevant to attractiveness. What I mean is that even below average guys (i tested this for luls), can get above average attractiveness if they have good pic + they are approachable and smile but those guys would still get 0 matches in dating apps. So in some cases it can deff. be deceiving. Still, for average guys good photos + smiling can be the difference between a few matches and 0 matches. Like if ur average looking u rly have to have good interesting high-quality pics + smile (lol) to get some likes, while if ur tall and above average looking u'll get the exact same results with 3-4 selfies. And ofcourse if ur a chad with good pics that's when u get to experience maybe 20% of what the attention average woman gets on the apps.
Also, I’ll never be a triple 6er… I’m 5’9”, I’m not a 6 figure earner (I have money, but nothing like 6 figures per year), and I sure as Hell ain’t ripped with six pack abs… I’m not fat and out of shape, I’m just not ripped)… and I’m not anyone of status. So… do I just give up, and chase 3 out of 10’s when I’m a 7 out of 10? I’m so screwed!
Oh tell me about it, I have also trouble on this online dating apps. Women have to much ego nowadays, they have forgotten what really matters in life. Having a family and live a normal life. But women today, think they study, make a carreer, travel and after that all men jumping on them. But exactly the opposite is the case. Because real men don't look for such women, they look for simple, loving, caring, kind, family oriented women.
@@musicdecoded4092 said the beta male. You missed the point. I'm not having trouble to find a woman or having fun. I have trouble to find the right one. If you look at the like number of my comment, it seems that what I have wrote, resonates with some of the men experiences.
@@quebono100 wow yeah 5 other lonely, shitty dudes had their gross ideas validated by a random youtube comment. you said women shouldnt travel or experience life for themselves because "real men" dont find that attractive. i think the opposite is true. fake "alpha males" like yourself that just cant understand that women have their own lives to lead might not find that attractive, but real men who can treat women like actual human beings love traits like that. with that point of view or yours, you wont ever find the "right one" because that outdated stereotype of a perfect housewife doesn't exist. It never did. We beat women down when they didn't conform to that stereotype in the past, they didn't do it because they wanted to.
And yet breadtubers like noah samsen are absolutely flabbergasted as to why young men are increasingly attracted to redpill type content on the internet. Like I don't agree with the way andrew tate or sneako go about things but there's obviously a huge problem here that isn't being properly addressed. Like you can attempt to game the system and get success on apps and stuff but what we're seeing here will have massive societal problems in the future and we're seeing that now. A complete cultural breakdown of the family and relationships in general. Not going to be pretty.
What's funny is he's a fat white guy dating a Asian girl and doesn't understand the irony in that also and acts like he could get girls any day of the week when he obviously can't lmao
Good question incoming: if your like a 7-8/10 like me, how would you ever find a looksmatch this day in age that would find you worthy. Fascinating breakdown man, glad you took the time.
Oh I make it worst for you guys :D I think Im swiping 90% of them. But Im not desperate, thats the algorithm. I think Tinder has also an activity score, if you swipe much, you match also much. I can choose then from those womens.
i just wanna add 10:30 i did my swipe stats, i had 86% swipe right. when i got like 5-10 where i swiped left i would just close the app and come back later and there'd be a bunch in a row where i'd go like 20-30 swipes in a row where im attracted to that person. then again im not super picky, if i like their face and they're not obese or sickly thin i'd swipe right, race doesnt really matter to me either. my insights also told me i swiped less than the average man per day.
I dont have anything to say about the topic. I never used such app and I never had problems with women. Come to Europe, you'd be surprised positively. But the comment is just to boost the youtube stats.
@@quebono100 well, yes, but the proportion is different. Especially in Eastern and Southern Europe. There is less men with status (actors are mostly in US and WE, sport players are less known, there are only businessmen and politicians, but they are mostly old and ugly) and there is higher % of attractive women than in US.
This is an addendum to my last comments below. My LTR in thr space of a week, decided he has typhoid fever , multiple sclerosis, cancer , and smallpox!!!, HE is nuts. In the beginning, he was normal he was into sex but now he is bonkers. He is convinced that dating apps are dangerous and contribute to an early death by leprosy. If anybody has a solution to living with a nutcase, let me know!!! I should leave but I feel guilty about doing that. I was embarrassed because he had to call an ambulance because of a runny nose. They took him to the ER but released him and he came home and couldn't get in the front door and climbed over thr balcony to open thr sliding door dressed in a nightgown. Thr neighbors called thr police. If I ever get out of this I will never hook up with anybody again!!
Unfortunately bro, you’re overstating your attractiveness a bit. Those photos oh photo feeler did not have a high confidence level and you didn’t state who all you set to vote on your profile. Older when are naturally gonna be more generous. You’re not bad looking at all, but like i said i think you’re overstating how attractive you are a bit, and that’s why you’re not doing better than you think you should. But otherwise yeah women are very very picky on dating apps.
Although id agree with some of the details you've listed I feel you've missed very important info here. Personally I live in a small area, an hour away from large cities. I agree men need to be more selective however photo ratings are not always going to give an indication as too whether you will get matches. I find a lot of women wont match when you have a lot of professional styles pics. It shows your trying too hard. They respond to real life, no filter doing your thing photos. Also, you mentioned talking to one woman and dismissing others.. Thats one of your main issues. You show that your value is low. I often chat with 10-15 at a time. I only respond to each once every other day or so. At any point ill have a few hundred likes lined up and usually find 1 in twenty ill actually chat with. My potential match list is 80% 8-10, the rest are around a 7. I think there much more to the situation than what your listing. Ill also mention, 90% of my dates begin with picking them up on my motorcycle. I dont spend money on them. No dinner, none of the things most guys are likely doing. After I dont contact them at all. Most call within a week and offer to come over to cook, help with my projects etc. This isn't all scientific info however, Ive helped a few friends go from no options to as many as a man could want. These are all attractive women with high paying jobs. No trash. Maybe the solution is to only match high end career attractive woman and show you dont care. Might sounds weird, but dont treat a woman like a gf until she brings up the topic. Its not a mans role. I think the real issue is the total effort put in. You need enough to show you have value woman would like, but you dont care and live life to your own drum, not what society says. btw, in time 80% of standouts I see will message me at some point. Id say its all how you treat the match and how desperate you seem. I'll also say the 6/6/6 theory is full false. I am 5.10, make under 6 figures but do have a 6 pack. High end women dont care what you make. They do care you have some height however the other 2 are not as important as you think. Im sure you've seen average men with high end women. Theres many reasons for this. High earning woman can finance themselves. They love the badboy. They also have no problem whining and dining the days they take out. Id say the biggestt issue your facing is perspective, stop referring to yourself as top 20%. Theres no competition. Woman see through this. Be you, hold a standard for your life and let her know if she's lucky maybe she can have time with you. My .02
@@ayuanabradford3206 I dont know what to say. Create a good profile, grow personally into the type of person a woman you would want would react too, learn how woman work or sit with no matches. Thats your call. But look around. you see woman you would like with other men, some not very good looking. Its your approach my friend because yes, there are men out there with many many options. This doesn't happen by accident. Good luck
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Nice video.
A joke I saw that made me laugh was, "If I had a dollar for every female that found me unattractive, they would eventually find me attractive."
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I’ve been using tinder and bumble for about a week and I can say I’ve never felt worse about myself in my life - men are treated like garbage by women on these aps, doesn’t matter how good ur pics are or how creative your texts are - I constantly get liked and match with women who never communicate - I’m steps away from from giving up all together - I’m much more effective in person anyways - thanks for this video
Why don’t you reach out first?
yeah bro its trash, fuk those apps. they want to get u to pay.
Online dating is like fishing. You can be the worlds most renounced pro fisherman and go out to sea just to come home empty handed. These apps are the same way so long as your profile is well constructed and perfect looking. In person is more efficient. But you gotta manage that in between a 40 hour work week with 8 hours of sleep. So you have a maximum of 8 hours a day to find time to go out just to also maybe come home empty handed with no ig handles or numbers
Hey Phil - It's not men, its the setup. I normally don't reply to post but something told me to tell you that you have to go old school like me (GenX-er) and basically chat up women "in the wild." Actually, in NYC here women complain of not being approached and secretly DO want men to come up to them. Honestly, if you're socially adept and not a troll, the pickens are really there, anywhere. Just get out there. Peace.
Soy un hombre majo, relativamente guapo, independiente, con un posgrado, deportista y gracioso, pero tengo el pelo un poco más largo en un lado. CULPABLE!!! 😂😂😂
Gracias hermano por compartir. En mi opinion tienes toda la razón, pero hay que acordarse que las mujeres tan poco son felices con este sistema porque solo se encuentran con hombres que quieren un polvo y les hace ghosting después. Muchas se quejan y preguntan “¿Donde están los hombres majos?”
Y aquí empieza la mentira…
Muchas mujeres “normales” piensan que pueden ligar con chicos “al top” y eso es la mentira que les vende Tinder. Esas apps venden la posibilidad de encontrar al príncipe azul y juegan con las inseguridades y los deseos inconscientes de las mujeres.
Si que puede pasar que una mujer “normal” liga con un hombre del TOP 10%, pero esos chicos nunca tendrán relaciones con ellas porque están a fuera de su liga. El 10% de hombres al TOP usan mujeres por su propio placer, como hacen los psicopatas. Y si yo estaría en el 10%, probablemente haría lo mismo porque es facilísimo.
Entonces, considerando que los hombres en el TOP 10% tienen toda la atención, es muy fácil para ellos de rechazar a cualquiera mujer porque tienen miles de opciones.
Dicho de otra manera, las mujeres también han caído en la trampa de esos algoritmos que favorecen a solo 10% de los hombres.
Son los hombres del TOP 10% al final que siempre ganan, y el resto perdimos todos, mujeres y hombres.
El resto de los hombres - el 90% - son los chicos normales de toda la vida y Tinder hace su dinero jugando con nuestra frustración, soledad y esperanza para hacer su dinero.
Piénsalo, que pasaría si encontraríamos a una pareja compatible en 1 mes? Tinder perdería dinero, no? No sería rentable. Mejor que te mantienen en un estado mental de frustración porque así pagarás por Premium esperando que eso te ayudará a ligar con más mujeres.
Y aquí es la mentira que vende Tinder a los hombres…
Si no eres parte de esos 10% de hombres favorecidos por el algoritmo, no vas a ligar en esas apps porque no están hechas para ti. Tu eres el pescado pequeño que da de comer a los gordos!
¿Sabías que si eres parte del TOP 10%, Tinder te regalan Premium? Claro que si, porque eres el pescado gordo que traje la comida…
¿Como saber si eres parte del 10%? Fácil…. ¿Tienes match casi cada ves que das por la derecha? Si no es tu caso, es que estás en el 90% - como yo - y entonces recibirás entre 0 y 10 likes a la semana. De esos likes, muchos son bots creados por Tinder (que nunca te contestarán después de un “match”) o personas no compatible contigo. Todo eso está diseñado así, para que te quedas en la plataforma.
Tinder no te ayudará a encontrar el amor. Es un business que te manipula conscientemente para tener tu dinero. Y no hay que estar enfadado con Tinder, porque es su misión de hacer dinero, de cualquiera manera.
Pero, el momento que te darás cuenta que eres el pescado pequeño, tendrás dos opciones: 1) quedarte en la plataforma y dar de comer al TOP 10%; o 2) desinstalar esas apps definitivamente y intentar ligar de otra manera.
Una cosa es cierta, si eres parte del 90% y te quedas esperando encontrar el amor, últimamente sufrirás 😩
En mi opinion, si eres parte del 90%, mejor dejarlo porque vas a perder tu tiempo, tu dinero, tu confianza en ti mismo y tu salud mental. Tendrás mejor resultados intentar ligar por la calle en plan “cold approach”.
I gave up on these stupid apps years ago. Yes, it gets lonely sometimes, but I have my sanity lol
"If you are an attractive woman why are you on these apps?". By the same token, I will never believe a rich guy with a yacht and a downtown penthouse will waste a minute of his life on Tinder.
Not tinder, but they do go on the invite only apps that are exclusively for top 1% males and the most attractive females.
it's called going overseas and renting a prositute for a night. And it happens waaay more often than you think.
Love is not sth automatic, especially not serious relationship between compatible parties. Many have C-PTSD or other stress from this wonderful world. Goes for both good women as for Yachters.Why do yong (swedish) men dress badly and have nicer dressed girlfriends?
The Chad's are slaying it on dating apps. Average guys are struggling, Tinder is the new dating reality. More and more men are going to become incels.
90+% basically already are
And it's weird because we are not Incels because we are fugly or don't want women. We are INVOLUNATRY cells because we can't get any attraction even though we are normal to above normal looking people.
@@bhillboy37 100 percent agreed … perfectly average looking and even above average ( 5-7 in looks ) are completely invisible … but i must urge us as men to not blame and finger point .. accept it for what it is and look inward .. start a new hobby , start working out , start a diet , learn how to play an instrument , never blame anyone for your current outcome , just do you !
@@vileproductions8511 I'm not an Incel per se but I say "we" in solidarity with average men who are catching heck attracting average wmn. It trickles down. When above average men with above average looks and incomes are getting treated like "the help", I have to stand strong with those guys.
@@vileproductions8511 all those things aren’t gonna bring girls though. What’s the alternative? Best hobbies to meet people jn real life?
What I don’t understand is why do most women complain about how bad online dating is if it is so skewed in their favor
Because they aren't getting real connection either. They're getting pump and dumped by the same 5% of guys that have all the options. The key is in their hands, but they refuse to accept their own reality and place themselves in a league where they stand a chance of not getting bounced for the next easy lay. They all want to throw themselves in the big leagues where they get chewed up and spit out.
These 8-9 level guys will bang right down to a 5 if it is easy, available, and ready when they want to dump a load. Then these 5s and 6s throw themselves legs spread into action. It's easy for the top tier men, and they'll keep churning through easy ass, enjoying their freedom while racking up a big body count, until they eventually get a top tier women that they can tolerate and settle down with.
When women say "there's no good men" they mean that they've finally found themselves invisible to the highest tier dick.
Because the choices suck so many are douchebags, gay in disguise, slobs, hookup only, threesome, has kids already, smokes, drinks, thug, criminal, drugs like make a account as girl and see what im talking about
So basically women go on dating apps to hit the lottery
yup.. it wasn’t always like this .. average men would find some success 5-7 years ago .. but as every year passes , it gets worse and worse .. it’s basically already at chads only
So basically if you're not in the top 5% just give up
yes
i think the reason men have such high swipe %’s is a result of women’s high standards. from my personal experience, I used to be fairly picky and wouldnt swipe on girls uglier than me..but as I got no results I lowered my standards out of necessity. ofcourse this in-turn makes women more selective. it’s a brutal spiral of self-reinforcing male loneliness.
Don't lower your standards, no point
Dont use dating apps.. they’re for women
@@ExposingTheLies360 no...they’re for everyone....other than sub-8/10 heterosexual men. dating apps are great if you’re gay.
the problem isn’t the dating app, it’s the women on the dating app
@Spots Corner the women on online dating are there for a reason. Think about that for a while…
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Actually the problem are men, not women
By having no standards on who we enter inside, we allowed them to be the picker of the best option
If you go to any other country - it's the other way, women desperately want a guy, and you will see guys who are 3-4 dating/married with 7-10/10
^ the reason is because, guys can't freely hookup with anyone - if they do, and break apart, the daughters father and brothers will find him and beat him up for using their daughter (even if she is ok with it), so given the issues and social norms guys rather focus on the best marriage material
So online - I know it's time consuming and hard, but we swipe right on almost everyone - cuz we r like let's see who we get matched with, but casting the net wide can get you bad quality fish most of the time and smarter one's will avoid the net easily
It's best to selectively swipe right, at the end of the day - when you pick a girl you either want to sleep with or have relationship
^ you can like the lesser 1-6's still, but let them know you only want casual with them so they know you are never attainable for them, they can only enjoy the movie once or twice
Then the 7-10's - you can actually date
But your 1-10 and mine is not the same, I don't take just looks into consideration, but also behavior, trauma, how much she's been around the carousel and so on...
Most of the time there is not even 8/10 nowadays at least in western countries, it's all 6/10 with all that into consideration
You're tall, lean, fit, with all your hair and with a good income and yet online dating is still hard for you. How do you think the rest of us feel? Ha, the best thing to do is to stop paying dating apps your money. Why do you have to be someone important to even manage to date an average woman?
You don't have to be someone important to date an average woman. You just need to stop listening to men talking about women to learn about women. You learn about women from listening to women.
@@alicelovescats888 mmm not true at all.
Yo dude, if I was a chick, id not date him. Dudes voice is nerd level annoying. Don’t envy him. Not his fault or anything 😂
Where do you get that from, who said you have to be important? DEvelop yourself, learn and practise some good lifestyle and habits, get healed from your past (if you find a good therapist or self-help program. And please seek your woman in reasonable places... Stop complaining, look at yourself and get to work. I am so sorry for the bad-behaving women. But there are all the rest of us real ones.
APPS WILL KILL CONFIDENCE. i GET NOTHING ON DAATING APPS. THOUGHT I WAS UGLY. BUT THE MORE I GO OUT AND SOCIALIZE THE MORE I REALIZE U CANT TRUST APPS FOR SELF WORTH
Dating apps should be declared false advertising, and be declared banned in most countries. It playes with people expectations, much worse than online gambling or alchohol commercials, which are seen as the bad influencers.
It goes well beyond just attractive / unattractive. All aspects of a person are used for shallow comparison, and women are by far the worst offenders when it comes to who they rule out. Online dating concentrates the worst aspects of women, and reveals that men are just things to be exploited by women and society.
I could: get in great shape, get a lot of money and success, and then -- have some woman use me? So it turns out, I don't matter. Who men actually are doesn't matter. We're just things to be used and discarded.
@Patsk88 I get why you are feeling that way, but I can tell you women are experiencing the same thing. I don't know even one of my female friends who hasn't experienced what you said. Unfortunately this is the modern society and how dating apps work. It's not just a gender issue.
I am a woman myself and I can't even begin to tell you how many times men have treated me like an object. Never cared to get to know me and ghosted me when I always send a message to people if for some reasons I didn't feel a connection with them instead of ghosting them and/or trying to check if they were still around 1 month later ( like it happened to me when one guy was seeing multiple girls at the same time and ghosted me just to contact me again 1 month later...) I myself have lowered my standards because I am looking for a partner, not a model. Yet, I keep getting guys who say they want a relationship but on the very first date act like they want something different.
I tried to pay for the first round of drinks multiple times, but many ( not all, thank god!) almost got mad at me for even trying to pay. I always try to be fair. I even asked out guys in person and online as I don't think it's fair men have to do everything. I was then told that I am very pretty but I am too independent and smart, a business woman ( am I? LOL) etc...and no, those were not compliment...I wish they were.
So, what is it that men want? And what is it that women want? If I try to be nice and fair, they don't like it because it hurts their egos, if I try to be more balanced it's the same. Some women also do the same, they want this and that yet when the time comes to act on what they say, they just do completely the opposite. Incoherent right? Yes.
I am tired of hearing women are like this and like that and poor men suffering. I am also tired of hearing women are the only one suffering because men are bad. This is not a war! It's just how (unfortunately) the modern society is...
I agree with you and I’m a women lol
@@Lyra94forever let me guess, you were going after the above average good looking men who had all the options, and you did not give the average Joes the time of day.
@@rickV-zy6eh the above average? The last two guys I dated were everything except what people describe as " good looking" yet they were good looking in my eyes and they had amazing personalities. A relationship is not just based on looks. I can ask you the same thing. Are you sure you were not going after the "above average" ( whatever that means...beauty is not objective!) women? No, you don't need to reply.
I have lived in three different countries and in one of them ( South Korea) they had crazy beauty standards. Many people (women and men) get plastic surgery a lot there to fit their society standards. Beauty is also perceived differently in many country, including UK and Italy. I wish people would stop with this beauty thing etc and stop blaming the other gender for all their problems.
Should I go around and be mad to all men out there for being stalked multiple times on my way home? Should I blame you or all men out there for touching my ass in the train while I was minding my own business and going to school and I was only 16? Should I blame all men out there because the boys at school bullied me for 3 years because I wasn't tanned but pale compared to the average person in my area? Should I blame all men out there for sexual abuse, horrible comments etc they often made about me for no specific reasons just to try and hit on me the week after?
NO! I DON'T! Why? Because I am aware that not everyone is like that. But If I have to follow your thought process I should blame all men in this world for destroying part of my confidence. But I have never done that. That makes no sense.
If someone had terrible experiences with the other gender and keeps blaming them for everything, perhaps it's time for therapy since it can be a trauma.
Finally, if you want to keep believing that and you want to keep blaming all the women out there for your own problems go ahead, there is nothing that will make you change your mind anyway and I will definitely not even attempt to do that or reply again.
Have a lovely rest of the day!
Lol this is because m en make themselves too available to every g irl, no matter how unsightly, or how crazy. It cheapens your value.
Kevin Samuels.. said it best. If you're an average guy don't even date. Especially in the black community... Work on yourself, then get your money up.,
Almost every video I've seen that presents data (even if it's not that much) proves how skewed the online dating game is. It's a crap shoot at best. And the shadowban thing? That's actually quite accurate. You can be desperately thirsty swiping right at EVERYTHING, and you're most likely going to be shadowbanned or shoved to the bottom of the stack. Great video and very informative!
What about the swipe that is only out there to scam you or whoever they can hook? Does that not impact the stats here too?
@@susanprincell7225 yes, it must totally skew the data. There is way too much trust in the apps and the algorithm having peoples best interest as an aim. Apps are there to make money.
Finally a clear explanation of what's going on I thought it was just me! Thanks dude!
mind you, this is just swiping right... we still gotta get through the messaging and dating stages...
EXACTLY
Women definitely have it too easy. I first realized how imbalanced it was when there was a girl I knew that I would rate as a 4 or 5 and she said guys were asking her out all the time.
No wonder a lot of these women think they are 10s and can get top guys. They don’t really have to try that hard to get anyone
Yup. My coworker is that woman. It's crazy. She's met like 10 men in the same time I've met 3 or 4. She's definitely not more than a 6.
Bro I literally dated like a 6 the past two months because I assumed before hand “oh she’s not going to be getting the same amount of attention from guys. She will have a better personality.” Butttt nahh. She’s by far not the most attractive woman I’ve been with, but she had this vibe like she thought she was 8+ due to all the men that reach out to her on hinge. In a real life normal vetting process nothing would have gone wrong she was so into me at the start but boom once she got slightly bored and saw some other option she’s gone with the wind never speak again type shit, it’s absurd.
It's just brutal man. Online dating is not for the faint of heart - especially men. I'm 155 lbs at my heaviest. I'm not muscular. I'm mostly skinny. Women call me handsome or cute in the real world a lot. Online dating has produced next to nothing for me.
My ex was 160 lbs. Worked out. Slim thick. Bubble butt. Pretty eyes. Nice hair. I met her in the real world. Anyone that looks like her online is not swiping on me. The pickens are slim in real life but I'll get women I'm actually attracted to. The apps give me women I just don't want to swipe on or are meh. Sorry. I'd rather sweat it out in the real world. Online dating apps devalue my attractiveness.
Wow. I think this is the most comprehensive video I have ever seen regarding online dating. Makes me wanna delete my Tinder account at this point to be honest, because the statistics combined with everything you say make sense. Brilliant job 👏👏👏
I'm in the same boat. Top 20%. I get matches but dates are hard to come by from these apps unless I lower my standards quite a bit.
Dont lower your standard. Deinstall this piece of horseshit and pick them up on the streets like normal man do.
@@milan51259 Yeah, I just use it as a backup. There's just less opportunities for cold approach since moving to the suburbs from the city.
🤣🤣😂😂 theses days everyone needs to. There no 10s anymore.
I know men who use dating apps to find women with low self esteem (not hard btw) they drive over to her place to hook up then exchange a free text now number only to block and delete/ghost her afterwards. They can set a fast hook up in about 20 minutes after logging onto the app. Then they return to the girl they are living with who most likely knows and doesn’t care and is taking care of the 3 children they have together.
My neighbor, a nice guy with good job, nice home and decent looking guy, finally got fed up with these American princesses and their ridiculous standards. He flew to Mexico and found him a beautiful young woman and married her. Still together 15 years later. She appreciates him those qualities. Men: Leave these primadonnas to rot on Hinge, Bumble, Tinder, OK stupid etc. Another friend dated a 60 year old - you heard me SIXTY - for about two weeks. She was ok for her age. Guy was 6'2", great job, home, polite etc - she ghosted him after two weeks - not even a text. This is what is out there. Even the old hags are in control in this horrid environment. Focus on yourself. Build your life. Put the Match Group out of business!
I am 60 and don’t consider myself an old hag! I take care of myself! With that attitude a lot of women would be turned off by you!
I wonder if being extremely picky, creating a fake account to test what you think is attractive, and using them together will get the women "above your league" to like you. I can't believe how much tinder has changed since 2018 this is nuts man. I miss the way it used to he. I think it was fine back then
It must've changed. A guy at my job who is not good looking claimed he hooked up with girls via tinder but that was years ago. Meanwhile I'm lucky if I get a solid conversation
More guys are hopping on these apps also
I noticed a lot of the women are single mother's and overweight when I was on the apps. I decided it was not really worth my time, rolling solo is easier .
the funny thing about cohorts or whatever is , if you’re in a lower tier co hort , the top women probably deem you was not attractive ( don’t feel bad , 80 percent of women find majority of men unattractive , perfectly average or above average men are invisible ) so paying to be “ shown “ to the top women is dumb… basically , if you’re not getting swiped right on, paying isn’t gonna change anything lol if women find you attractive you’ll be in the cohort
Awesome switch up haven’t watched yet but love stats gonna enjoy this one!!!
yeah that was a great one
Wow. This is worse than I thought. I’m 6’3, look like a Franco brother, but I’m really skinny. I’m toned, but super scrawny. I thought that was the reason I wasn’t getting matches. It still could be a factor… But damn! Needed this for my mental health.
THIS IS A PEARL GEM OF A VIDEO. LOVE THE WISDDOM in this guy's content. New Subscriber.
i took the red pill 💊
A good reason to abandon these platforms and stick to the old school way. No algorithm to interfere with you
I concur, I have social anxiety problems making it extremely difficult for me to initiate conversations with people I don't previously know
@@paulclark6988 for me it depends on my mood. Also sometimes it's hard to find someone. I remember downtown Cleveland once to run some day game only found 3 girls in five hour period
@@Ferien7 🤣🤣😂😂😂
@@paulclark6988 Alcohol helps with that, bro. Lol
@@paulclark6988 phenibut
Thanks for this excellent and fact oriented evaluation of the current dating mess. Remarkable.
this is an absolute fact. I put my app accounts next to my friends' who are in the same age and income range and they were given entirely different matches than mine
Men's pictures suck on dating apps.
What about the fact that over 50% (higher on some apps than others) are bots or scammer profiles? A very small % of users are real, and active. Bottom line, dating apps are a joke.
Tinder doesn't work for facially less attractive men. You could be 9/10 in looks and be broke, unemployed, and fresh out of college but still have a greater chance of initial success (even if it's for a one night stand or some attention depending on what you're after) than a guy with 4/10 looks but is rich since he doesn't stand out as women consider him ugly and that someone better will come along. It's very superficial and is essentially endless profile shopping since men outnumber women online. I've quit using these apps years ago and prefer cold approaches, meeting women in public and through social circles as I found it to be a more successful and healthy way of developing your social skills, confidence and game in-person - I haven't looked back since.
You went the right direction with it. The last couple years I've got plenty of compliments in real life from women. IRL I feel like at least a 7. The apps make me feel like a 4. The disparity is huge and jarring.
Ladies, are you watching? Or are you only looking at video's telling women they shouldn't lower standards and that they all deserve a male model? Probably the last thing.
Yes lol 😂
Most aren’t looking for models. Women search on how to look for established men more than looks. The most popular videos is about getting established man and providers. I haven’t seen videos on how to get the hot guy. Most of us don’t care
It's pretty egregious to have this discussion of men being at such a disadvantage on these apps without bringing up the obvious, that there are far more men on them than women. It's about a 2:1 ratio on OKCupid, or even worse at 3:1 on Tinder, and that should be your FIRST reason why men have a harder time, not this 80/20 BS you wanna focus on.
The pareto ratio also applies, its actually 8:2 in men's favor.
i got 8.0 on photofeelers ,yet not even the obese women match me at bumble/tinder
WTF is wrong with this world.. things like this fu** with my brain, and i even started missing my ex despite how awful she was to me (hitting, insulting etc)
So does this mean either a human being or an algorithm is rating the quality of a dating profile to make sure it's only shown to the appropriate subgroup?
This video is nothing but facts keep speaking the truth my guy
Dude, there is something really sick and quasi fishy about these apps. Agree that Hinge shows me the least attractive women (imo). Bumble will show me attractive women but half of them seem to be bots. Other times, it seems like I do go on a run and see more attractive profiles shown to me but this comes in cycles. The timing is very strange. But yeah, I have paid for super swipes and other features this summer but I literally can't buy a date, or really even a match. And imo I don't have a bad profile. I'm fairly attractive, provide both group and individual photos, include a fleshed out profile. So, I have no freaking idea how to get dates on these apps. It's pathetic that I could go the whole summer and not get one date. I have approached a couple girls in public but right away I could tell the girls were not open to talking to a stranger. So, I get negative reinforcement everywhere. God, it's so great to be a guy in these times.
I love this stuff. Liked and subscribed.
Props to this dude for his honesty.
Why do you think women who are above 7 exist in these apps, they are fine in real life
So, I'm not ugly, the game is just rigged for us?
Yep. Rigged and women Have all the power and choice online!
@@tonymaurice4157 word
@Jeffery I had some success, but not like 1000+ likes
That's a pretty good talk. Thanks. From Toronto.
Okay, but why are so many men so desperate and nonselective? And why do they continue to pay even after doing so fails to improve their cohort?
looks are everything
Such good content man. You deserve 1000s of likes ❤
What about all the men who swipe right on everyone, not out of openness but simply to save time and to get the power to say yay or nay to everything that comes back. Their swipe data is going to be terrible but - other than inflating egos - though I don't know why women don't know that men are doing this and not let it flex their egos - isn't that going against the conclusions from the swipe data?
Hey WL, awesome video! I was looking around for these types of apps, like, which one would be good for my age (50+), looking for possible relationship, and thanks to the data and economics you provide, I have serious doubts about their honest efficiency. Looks like the marketplace is indeed about numbers based on "cohort hell" as you eloquently expose. Yeah, was expecting Hinge could be good for me, but the data bias you expose is obvious, more than I thought, and since I have no competitive "status", I guess I won't waste serious time on these things. Thx for awesome research.
I've been on bumble since Dec 2021, had 5 dates, but no 2nd date. The women I met were all from a 4 to a 5. So based on that, I guess I'm a 6.
In the beginning of dating apps like 2007, women were with it. Getting back, setting up dates etc. By 2017 it was over. Women not matching with me or talking a little bit then ghosting. Over the last 5 years I've been on 4 or 5 apps and been on maybe 4 dates total. I still look the same. No weight gain or hair loss. Only thing I can think of is that women are being more choosy. It was so frustrating I got off of all the apps. I get the same couple of dates a year but at least I'm not banging my head against a brick wall.
Rating is an interesting thing because it's bases on a baseline- look up the algo rating system. The relativesness of your 4 to everyone else's belief of 4 screws where you are. Maybe you're a 6 and ten it's just much significantly higher and smaller group then any group the majority can enter with there system. This almost makes me want to go back to meeting people in person. I hate this shit already
Same conclusion here, I consider myself a 6-7 but I only attract 3's and 4's. Never understood the 'so many hot girls with ugly guys', I constantly see the opposote, it's men who are dating down lookswise.
@@lennertcornette I think that if you looks match with a female, then as a guy, you have to bring to the table more than just your looks. Eg Status, Game and money
The higher your SMV compared to her the more you can be indifferent and nonchalant with her, which actually makes her more interested in you!
Imagine being a black, Asian, Indian male. We have it very bad
Been trying out Hinge for the last week with no luck so far. Not sure if it's a waste of time or not. I've never approached a woman in person before but not because I'm scared of women… it's because I don't feel confident I'd find a woman who's not some crazy feminist. As a young conservative, I feel like there aren't a lot of women my age with the same mindset. I think it's more likely I'll die a lonely romantic.
If men date down and women date up, why do guys not find the women attractive that are shown to them.
If only I could get 2% of women liking me I'd be happy. The very, very, very few women I match with are either scammers, not women, only looking for social media followers, or never respond to messages.
I feel ya bro, seems more like a 99.8 / 0.02 rule to me
the incredible part for women is that been that selective I wonder how bad it would be for them to stay on a stable relationship when they get only the top from their matches
Could someone please provide a link to these articles, I want to read them myself but am struggling to get them via a Google search 🙏🏿
Such good content...you deserve a date 🌹
Haven't finished the video yet, just found you thanks for the statistics! I think alot of men get into apps due to basically only having like weekends to go out to meet people. Question is, what should single men do nowadays, just keep it old school?
Meet girls in person
@@williamleiss4 agree. I am newly single after like a long 8 year one. Dating sites have got super popular over that time. My experience has been terrible lol but hearing the stats, no wonder. Thanks again.
@William Leiss Women are too picky and they can all easily get sex... Huge imbalance and were also fighting against feminism.
William who s worse Sports Betting Touts or RUclips Dating coaches who claim they can get you the partner of your dreams if you follow their advice???
Those people are content hustlers trying to sell you something.
I refuse to pay anything for these apps anymore...if I happen to match with someone I like and we hit it off, cool. If not, also cool I'm good. Lots of other things in life to keep me occupied and spend my money on.
All data is confirming ~5% of men AT BEST are getting lots of attention. Some stats suggest worse (2% of men) but yeah it’s tough. There’s a clear imbalance in the market and either society will collapse under the weight of a lot of lonely guys opting out from society or the system will have to change.
I do not want to sound doomer, but it’s hard to imagine a lot of guys working harder then previous generations for girls who don’t want them and would rather chase Chads.. makes no sense. It’s likely we’ll see a lot of redpill/blackpill stuff get popular this decade.
23:30 , wtf? now being a celebrity is a requirement?
Women are generally attracted to masculinity. Unfortunately I don’t blame the women for their high standards but instead blame majority of men for becoming more feminine.
Women who like you for money or status only likes the money and status, so that’s off topic.
Exercise helps, for both genders. But in the case of dating apps, looks are subjective. The only thing you can improve is displaying crisp clean pictures and poses and to leave out your graphic tee’s from the shot.
Everything is men's fault. Women are innocent... Always. Makes me want to join Islam.
Do you use Tinder, Bumble, or Hinge? Are you successful or not?
I’m very successful overseas, no good in the states, Canada or Australia
Basically once you leave welfare states women are very easy to date
Im using tinder. Have the same experience, in some countries you getting more matches as in others.
I don't. I feel less or weird. I am sure I'll try in the future soon. I'm old school.
@@moneylineparlay105 ahhaahah
My question is if you’re a top top tier guy, why the heck would you be on a dating app??
I think what the hinge Redditors were saying was that you dont appeal to any particular group, making you just “good” to all girls rather than very good to some girls and not good at all to some others. Lets say you have a B+ in mathematics and chemistry, and your friend has a C in math but an A in chemistry, and a third friend the opposite. Who would an engineer hire? Who would a researcher hire? Who gets left out at the end?
Yeah my experience is if you make your profile say "I will take you on art dates" rather than "my typical sunday is art stuff, working out, and hanging with friends" you get far more dates. Be specific, be niche, and be interesting. It's quite literally an ad for you, needs a hook, needs a product, needs to be positive.
Have "okay looks", Get some art pictures, a beret, dress in black, etc. You will be drowning.
Have "okay looks", Get some pictures DMing, pictures in fantasy garb, make jokes about roleplay, and go to the local gaming groups. You will be drowning.
Nobody wants to go hiking with the average looking dude at the top of the local easy trail, everybody goes on occasional hikes. They want to go with the guy who knows how to survive in the backcountry. Just imagine how safe you will feel on the local easy trails with that man with you. He will take you to all the scenic spots and carry all the heavy gear, you get some instagram pictures, and you don't even have to go to the backcountry since he can go with his friends.
Finally. Non political content
Ok glad to know I’m not the only one that’s having trouble in the dfw I recently moved here and I went home to missisippi to visit family my mom goes “you have more options in dfw how’s the dating scene”
I respond that I’m having a hard time
She says exactly what you said at the 23:59 mark “is it cuz there’s pro athletes and people with more money than you” sh was spot on 😂
Paying for dating apps is a scam. Their goal isn’t to help you find someone because if you do you will unsubscribe which = no more money
Paid dating apps are a scam.
Not sure I agree that women only get shown people above them and men below. If that were true there's no way in hell women would be swiping so little and men so much. I'm more of the belief that women and men get shown everyone, and women just aren't swiping right on most guys cause most guys don't have good enough pictures or they aren't hot enough. It's possible that the app will eventually show women more of the kind of guy that they like, but I don't think they're ONLY seeing guys above them at all times.
It’s generally true, not completely true
Nah, I don’t get shown attractive women. Im on hinge and it’s inconsistent. I’ll get average girls, and then suddenly out of the blue I get a stack of obese cows. All the hot ones are in standouts.
I was thinking the exact same thing. And even more, (if we follow the 80/20 rule for our numbers) average women are only being shown men in the top 20% and STILL only swiping right 5% of the time... im out.
Yes. I can tell you that you are correct. It isn’t true at all. These guys put too much thought into it.
There’s way too much competition in these sites better to hook up the old fashioned way !
Wow great video
I’m 5 on photofeeler. I thought it would be less but it’s like I don’t exist at all for woman.
Same bro; I'm tall, not fat, tried all kinds of outfits, hairstyles, poses... never got higher than 5.1
If you're average looking it really doesn't matter what you do it seems to me
@@Dextrome I get 8-9 on Photofeeler and still haven't gotten a date in the two weeks since I joined dating apps
I look at men finding 53% of women good enough for a swipe as an extremely bad sign. You are not going to get on with 53% of women or find them truly attractive. The desperation is killing the market, I think mine is closer to 5%, any more than that and it will just be a dead match which will ruin the algorithm. (edit, seems you said the exact same thing about 3 minutes later)
Lolol you made a stat model for dating Apps LOL You are great!
Tinder was it. Now its Bumble. All bang out sites.
How about Chispa??! 🙃😂🤣
The hell is Chispa??
@@paulclark6988 Latin dating lol
You reaaaally enjoy yourself xD
Almost all the attractive women on there are just fishing for Instagram followers
It’s the human vending machine. It’s like Amazon. It’s sad. They only go by looks and hoping the personality is there. It’s backass wards
And you can tell people that are on a date from dating apps, especially the women they’re still looking around in the restaurant while they are with their date😂😂😂
great video, I feel ever man needs to watch this!
80-20 is more aligned with the response from women as a group. Any individual women is more selective. Tastes and preferences vary.
Especially since dating apps are sausage fests.
Btw. for those that haven't used photofeeler, u can't take the attractiveness at face value, in fact it's nearly useless. First, you have to make sure you're getting votes from only females + the ages of females you'd roughly be looking for. Second, for some reason even on the anonymous voting you tend to get +1-3 more attractiveness based on the overall picture + your smile, not so relevant to attractiveness. What I mean is that even below average guys (i tested this for luls), can get above average attractiveness if they have good pic + they are approachable and smile but those guys would still get 0 matches in dating apps. So in some cases it can deff. be deceiving.
Still, for average guys good photos + smiling can be the difference between a few matches and 0 matches. Like if ur average looking u rly have to have good interesting high-quality pics + smile (lol) to get some likes, while if ur tall and above average looking u'll get the exact same results with 3-4 selfies. And ofcourse if ur a chad with good pics that's when u get to experience maybe 20% of what the attention average woman gets on the apps.
Great commentary.
Also, I’ll never be a triple 6er… I’m 5’9”, I’m not a 6 figure earner (I have money, but nothing like 6 figures per year), and I sure as Hell ain’t ripped with six pack abs… I’m not fat and out of shape, I’m just not ripped)… and I’m not anyone of status.
So… do I just give up, and chase 3 out of 10’s when I’m a 7 out of 10?
I’m so screwed!
Even threes think they are too good for us. I gave up and just focus on my own life
Oh tell me about it, I have also trouble on this online dating apps. Women have to much ego nowadays, they have forgotten what really matters in life. Having a family and live a normal life. But women today, think they study, make a carreer, travel and after that all men jumping on them. But exactly the opposite is the case. Because real men don't look for such women, they look for simple, loving, caring, kind, family oriented women.
LMAO bro its obvious that any problem you have finding women stems from your own weird personality
@@musicdecoded4092 said the beta male. You missed the point. I'm not having trouble to find a woman or having fun. I have trouble to find the right one. If you look at the like number of my comment, it seems that what I have wrote, resonates with some of the men experiences.
No thanks. To some people having a career they enjoy and travelling is what life is about.
@@ACDnut101 Yeah did you know, Jesus did an MBA too
@@quebono100 wow yeah 5 other lonely, shitty dudes had their gross ideas validated by a random youtube comment. you said women shouldnt travel or experience life for themselves because "real men" dont find that attractive. i think the opposite is true. fake "alpha males" like yourself that just cant understand that women have their own lives to lead might not find that attractive, but real men who can treat women like actual human beings love traits like that. with that point of view or yours, you wont ever find the "right one" because that outdated stereotype of a perfect housewife doesn't exist. It never did. We beat women down when they didn't conform to that stereotype in the past, they didn't do it because they wanted to.
If the apps match ppl with the perfect matches they lose potential customers - and thats bad for business
And yet breadtubers like noah samsen are absolutely flabbergasted as to why young men are increasingly attracted to redpill type content on the internet. Like I don't agree with the way andrew tate or sneako go about things but there's obviously a huge problem here that isn't being properly addressed. Like you can attempt to game the system and get success on apps and stuff but what we're seeing here will have massive societal problems in the future and we're seeing that now. A complete cultural breakdown of the family and relationships in general. Not going to be pretty.
What's funny is he's a fat white guy dating a Asian girl and doesn't understand the irony in that also and acts like he could get girls any day of the week when he obviously can't lmao
good video.
Good question incoming: if your like a 7-8/10 like me, how would you ever find a looksmatch this day in age that would find you worthy.
Fascinating breakdown man, glad you took the time.
Oh I make it worst for you guys :D I think Im swiping 90% of them. But Im not desperate, thats the algorithm. I think Tinder has also an activity score, if you swipe much, you match also much. I can choose then from those womens.
i just wanna add 10:30 i did my swipe stats, i had 86% swipe right. when i got like 5-10 where i swiped left i would just close the app and come back later and there'd be a bunch in a row where i'd go like 20-30 swipes in a row where im attracted to that person. then again im not super picky, if i like their face and they're not obese or sickly thin i'd swipe right, race doesnt really matter to me either.
my insights also told me i swiped less than the average man per day.
You should try dating in the dark
I dont have anything to say about the topic. I never used such app and I never had problems with women. Come to Europe, you'd be surprised positively. But the comment is just to boost the youtube stats.
Haha, I also want to boost William, he has really some good stuff on his channel
@@quebono100 same
@@ahamed4152 great
Im from Europe, its exactly the same like William said. Women are looking for status.
@@quebono100 well, yes, but the proportion is different. Especially in Eastern and Southern Europe. There is less men with status (actors are mostly in US and WE, sport players are less known, there are only businessmen and politicians, but they are mostly old and ugly) and there is higher % of attractive women than in US.
Even paying doesn’t work though.
Men care more about looks more than women. Women care about the financial situation of the guy and his height
This is an addendum to my last comments below. My LTR in thr space of a week, decided he has typhoid fever , multiple sclerosis, cancer , and smallpox!!!, HE is nuts. In the beginning, he was normal he was into sex but now he is bonkers. He is convinced that dating apps are dangerous and contribute to an early death by leprosy. If anybody has a solution to living with a nutcase, let me know!!! I should leave but I feel guilty about doing that. I was embarrassed because he had to call an ambulance because of a runny nose. They took him to the ER but released him and he came home and couldn't get in the front door and climbed over thr balcony to open thr sliding door dressed in a nightgown. Thr neighbors called thr police. If I ever get out of this I will never hook up with anybody again!!
Tinder is the terrible truth
Your photofeeler scores make me jealous, your in the top 5% of users who submit their photos
Unfortunately bro, you’re overstating your attractiveness a bit. Those photos oh photo feeler did not have a high confidence level and you didn’t state who all you set to vote on your profile. Older when are naturally gonna be more generous. You’re not bad looking at all, but like i said i think you’re overstating how attractive you are a bit, and that’s why you’re not doing better than you think you should. But otherwise yeah women are very very picky on dating apps.
Although id agree with some of the details you've listed I feel you've missed very important info here. Personally I live in a small area, an hour away from large cities. I agree men need to be more selective however photo ratings are not always going to give an indication as too whether you will get matches. I find a lot of women wont match when you have a lot of professional styles pics. It shows your trying too hard. They respond to real life, no filter doing your thing photos. Also, you mentioned talking to one woman and dismissing others.. Thats one of your main issues. You show that your value is low. I often chat with 10-15 at a time. I only respond to each once every other day or so. At any point ill have a few hundred likes lined up and usually find 1 in twenty ill actually chat with. My potential match list is 80% 8-10, the rest are around a 7. I think there much more to the situation than what your listing. Ill also mention, 90% of my dates begin with picking them up on my motorcycle. I dont spend money on them. No dinner, none of the things most guys are likely doing. After I dont contact them at all. Most call within a week and offer to come over to cook, help with my projects etc. This isn't all scientific info however, Ive helped a few friends go from no options to as many as a man could want. These are all attractive women with high paying jobs. No trash. Maybe the solution is to only match high end career attractive woman and show you dont care. Might sounds weird, but dont treat a woman like a gf until she brings up the topic. Its not a mans role. I think the real issue is the total effort put in. You need enough to show you have value woman would like, but you dont care and live life to your own drum, not what society says. btw, in time 80% of standouts I see will message me at some point. Id say its all how you treat the match and how desperate you seem.
I'll also say the 6/6/6 theory is full false. I am 5.10, make under 6 figures but do have a 6 pack. High end women dont care what you make. They do care you have some height however the other 2 are not as important as you think. Im sure you've seen average men with high end women. Theres many reasons for this. High earning woman can finance themselves. They love the badboy. They also have no problem whining and dining the days they take out.
Id say the biggestt issue your facing is perspective, stop referring to yourself as top 20%. Theres no competition. Woman see through this. Be you, hold a standard for your life and let her know if she's lucky maybe she can have time with you. My .02
You’re lying lol 😂 women theses days are picky and they are materialistic. If you don’t have the looks are the nice house or apartment your screwed
@@ayuanabradford3206 I dont know what to say. Create a good profile, grow personally into the type of person a woman you would want would react too, learn how woman work or sit with no matches. Thats your call. But look around. you see woman you would like with other men, some not very good looking. Its your approach my friend because yes, there are men out there with many many options. This doesn't happen by accident. Good luck