Tinder Experiment Proves How Brutal it is For Average Guys
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00:00 The Profile
02:17 The Results
06:21 Results Analysis
10:45 Key Takeaways
If that dude's a 6/10 I'm fucked lmfao
What is so damn hard to understand? If you guys are average or below average, then date women in your league: average or below average. You're only going after photoshopped 18-year old Instagram models, regardless of if you're 40 and balding. What the hell do y'all expect?! Of course you're getting rejected
@@lizzinessbibi7202 wtf who hurt you
We’re all fucked my guy 😅
@@lizzinessbibi7202 lol. I wanted to write a longer comment but it's a waste of time! Good luck on life: your friends AND you who speaks on their behalf :)
@A P 7? hahahaha
I was at a restaurant with my family last year and I witnessed a tall Chad sit at a table next to us, all dressed up, obviously waiting for his date, he sat there for like 15mins before he walked out from being ghosted. It was jarring for me because I realized even Chad could be treated like that by a woman.
@Tj that’s insane. I’m 15 and wouldn’t consider myself a Chad I’m working on it but My closest buddies are Chads and they never get treated like that, Ghosted or left on read like that
maybe she was a catfish and knew he's gonna ghost her after meeting her in person so decided to not show up and chickened out! When women are insecure ...
I'd consider myself a chad and I've dealt with plenty of ghosting and flaking, everyone gets treated like garbage on the apps.
@BX no one takes u serious on the apps.
@@thotslayer9922 I know that's why I stopped using them. Now that summer break is almost here Im gonna try to go out 2-3 times a week. I'm a good catch, odds are if I put myself out there, some women will appear that'll want to date me.
I feel like all men should boycott dating apps
Sir if he is AVERAGE then I'm FUCKED. 💀
I am triple fucked, or worse
He's well below average actually. Learn the female gaze.
He's not attractive to me. Just average.
im ripped and good looking still the same.. only i match with fatter or the hotties never write back.
@@craz4jaymz What's attractive to you is irrelevant, he's objectively a good looking guy.
2.5 matches per day in average.
Me as an ugly guy:
That's so impressive!
Yea, try 2.5 matches per month.. that's more realistic for an average guy.
I got 2 matches in the past 2 years 😂
But i didn't try too hard to be fair..
Mine was like 35 in the first 2 hours on bumble in NY. then it tapered down to 10 per hour. At the end of the week until I subscribed to it got like 2 per hour. But again i too stoped swping and focused on talking to women i matched. Definetly something is wrong with the algorithm. But I only dated 2., thats all i asked out. I dont feel right dating a woman who is swipping on countless men. Let alone make her my wife or gf.
I‘ve got 1 Match after two months of intensive swiping. Thats so frustrating…
they 0.1 per day club, ye baby. but fuck them hoes, we hit the gym
I made fake female profile with just picture of one flower. No bio ,no female pictures or anything and I got over 100 matches in less than 24hours. No wonder girls tend to overestimate their appearance so much.
but the matches were all from lawn care companys
Most men swipe without looking at the profiles. But women use it to boost their ego without thinking that we don't really take the time to look into their profiles. It's just surreal.
@@brianpowers4998 exactly men swipe like a crack head dont take it personal girl’s you treat us like trash so you’re a piece of meat to us
It shows that swiping is a broken system.
This was the case for one of my female friends. She used a fake name and just one picture with a glass of wine showing just a hand which wasn’t even hers and within an hour she was on 99+ likes. Within a week she was dating. I mean…. How?!
Not just waste of time. Waste of money too. And waste of electricity.
The fact you can't write to someone without first matching is a death sentence for most guys out there. Tinder defaults to just looks. Your game, charm, confidence, none of it matters on Tinder.
Nope. Hold still so the women can judge you
Women first check for looks, if that doesnt pass other things are worthless to them, no matter how wealthy you are, or how rich life you live.
@@Dominik40301 You have never seen Russian "Businessmen"
In the USA, women are shallow. Glad to not live in a country where feminism and tik tok or only fans rule women.
@@Dominik40301 tbh I'm older and remember the IRC days when I could chat with a girl for a few hours or even days before we exchanged pics. And by that time we've created some sort of an emotional connection, albeit superficial and this helped a lot. When you've already invested emotionally in someone even if they don't look the best, you're much more likely to go out on a date with them.
Tinder is extremely focused on superficial looks and this is what is detrimental to dating.
Only 3.7% matches for a 6'3" fairly handsome outgoing university guy? Only 3 dates? Yikes!!!!! What's this guy need, a face tattoo and a criminal record?
Yeah.... It's unreal.
Add a few bodies to his basement and vvomen will be all over him. vvomen have a thing for murderers, apparently.
Tbh he‘s not a Chad at all. So he‘s competing against the best 5%. And against the he has no chance.
@@sensoeirensen chadlite
@@oxymoron9821 guy is barely above the middle tier normie lookswise
I went through thousands of women on tinder years ago never got 1 date so I never went back. Waste of time and just kills self esteem
Lol
this !!! it’s so damaging man , i tell any guy i know to STAY OFF
I believe you man, I had basically the same experience. Wheat Waffles kept saying the subject of this video had bad results, but honestly the subject did very good compared to most men, and I 100% guarantee the only reason he had some results is because he's 6'3.
This guy had 250 matches, which is huge but a success rate of less than 4% (she leads), which is abysmal
Feminism has done a great job of brainwashing women to deeming men as being oppressors.
Men are oppressive means men hold women to morality standards best for family and society.
Women have deteriorated fast. The amount of wife material has gone from 1 in 3 to 1 in 50 in just 20 years.
I'm Asian Australian from Melbourne. I had tinder for years and literally did not get a single date out of it, and maybe 20 matches. I didnt use it much, but enough to know it was pretty pointless. Then when I travelled to South America and tried it for fun I was getting quite a few matches (I'd say I'm average looking). So there's that too. I remember in the old days of okc I had a rough 'rule' that for every 100 likes I'd get 10 matches, and of those maybe 1 date. So 1 in 100. If this dude is getting 3 dates from 16k thats wild. If I was a woman he'd seem pretty attractive to me.
If u travel to Europe u will have tons of women. Especially from eastern Europe
@@bartoszbucholski8981 how many don't just want a ticket out of their country though?
@@pavementpounder7502 of course this is the case.
This video is great, and an eye opener. I will stay off those apps and focus on improving myself. Thanks.
as a below average guy in looks, i just gave up in dating in general and just focus on myself and helping out my family to at least have a sense of purpose in life.
Same here. I'm also figuring out how to raise funds for a non-profit that means a lot to me.
Dude if you wanna date and find a woman you could. As someone who's not traditionally good looking I've been with some women who are way better looking then me.
@@logank444 then you are lucky or extroverted with charisma. Dont you get it? Guys like this just had enough and cant take it anymore. I fully understand them. I might be one of them too soon.
@@arthurmorgan2906 but I'm not, im fat, dont have a big dick, I have crooked teeth. I just never gave up on myself. The charm and confidence didnt come till my 30s after years of hating myself and body. Men are lucky actually we dont need good looks to be considered attractive
That's a nice sentiment. I don't even have a family I want to help in any way because they've been leeching off me since I graduated high school 20 years ago and I've done fed up with it. Bettering one self is the best way to go.
If he weren't 6'3" he would've gotten 250 less matches.
This, 100%. The sad fact of the matter is the only reason he got as many matches as he did is because he's 6'3.
And an inkwell for life if he was 5'7 and below xD
@@coops1992 aww man.. im 5'7.
@J Meadows its all good, short king status will get me all the ladies
I'm glad prostitution is legal here in my country. No strings attached, just pay for the service.
Yeah but i'm not looking for sex only
its sad that this is really the best option for men
No it's really bad for you, fucks with your mind/soul or whatever
@@davidd854 id go as far as to say, women fuck with your mind/soul in general
@@SperberMeister Well if they are manipulative they might mess with your head. But I mean more in a spritual sense. I think it changes people when they have sex with prostitutes.
Men are stranded in the desert, and women are stranded in the ocean.
Both are horrible, wrong analogy.
Women are fishing bait in the ocean, and all of the fish want a bite.
@v-22 That's my point...
Fucking good analogy
@@v-22 thats obviously the point though
I did an experiment of my own, I'm an architect average looks,
Firstly I made a profile like a normal person, with normal pictures. in 7 days no matches.
Then I made another profile with the pictures of same day as before, same clothes same person but a nice BMW under the me. Got 8 matches in 3 hours .
Guys don't go on these apps, it's just f*ing waste of time and value.
Yup, just gold diggers.
That's actually really good insights. I put a picture of my driving my old boss' vett and got way more matches
I did an experiment too. 7 dating apps/site over 3 weeks. No idea how many times I swiped. Got 5 matches. 3 were bots, 1 was a catfish, the last one never replied.
The girls and women on these apps are all fake and shallow. Mostly gold diggers and only fans hos
Thing is the apps have changed drastically since before COVID. Before 2019 it was pretty good, i'm not a bad looking guy and on Tinder I used to get about 7 or 8 matches a week with swiping once every 3 or 4 days, i'd miss out on quite a few women who swiped me as well as I wasn't interested. Bumble was much better, it'd be maybe 5-15 a week depending how active I was, but the quality was far higher than tinder and way more of them actually spoke, most Tinder matches never speak or can't manage more than one word replies.
Since COVID started it's tanked, we are talking 1 match on Tinder every week or two and they are all incapable of speaking or holding a conversation, Bumble was still better at maybe 1 or 2 a week until i got banned for saying to a woman that i'm not putting pronouns in my profile as it's nonsense. Unfortunately i'm looking for a proper woman so i'm not putting anything that'll attract gold diggers to increase matches, it's futile.
I was in 2 asian countries last year, one of them is an advanced country with people who don't actually want to leave. I used both apps in major cities and in smaller ones and the apps became almost unusable as every day it was 300+ likes and when you swiped pretty much anyone you swiped yes to was an instant match, problem is the conversations all got buried, in the poorer country many of them were using translator apps to speak to and actually didn't speak English so you'd meet and it would be awkward as hell. I think the problem is North America, Canada/USA where I live, something has changed here with online dating.
Thank you for telling the truth about these predatory apps and helping men in these dark times.
The times are dark but truth is light
the absolute brutal part is that this guy isn't average. He clearly falls in the 6-7/10 Range.
Well said Fella …. 💯
The apps AND the women are
@@harsh3948 Truth
Thank you for the video.Thank you my mom for pushing me to study hard in university and working in a multinational company
Tinder is a menu for woman on the red light district, except they dont have to pay for all the flavours.
I honestly think a lot of women just use tinder for male validation and attention, to get an ego boost. Also, in the real world, I've become attracted to men just from knowing them and them being kind to me. This isn't something that can be really done online.
Yeah but it's all fake. Dudes are swiping right on literally everyone. If you knew that girls swiped right on literally every guy, wouldn't you only try to match with the hottest girls?
That's not attraction and never lasts.
Trust me I know this is true because the fake friends I have proves this
Stop the lie Tiana
It's true as they say men are more physically attracted to women whereas women want the whole package. Not saying they don't want physical attractiveness but for women theres more complicated than that. I dont think you're attracted to someone just through kindness shown though. There has to be some spark
I remember I tried to match on POF with girls that had nothing. Average looks, multiple babies, no job, never graduated and drama AND I STILL NEVER HAD A RESPONSE. That was eye opening. I had everything, they had nothing and still they thought they were too good. Women on those apps feel like GODS.
It's this 'goddess' culture I'm sure of it, imagine if men started calling themselves gods women would lose it! 😂
@@clozza4033 some of us are trying.
POF is worse than Tinder. Many women on there are basically losers themselves looking for flings with other bad boy losers. They live a mediocre loser life so it makes sense they want bad boy losers because it is really what their lifestyle is
Couple of years ago I created a female profile to see the other side of things. Turned out there were multiple times more men on the app than women. And that's the thing. Most of the quality women wouldn't use dating apps.
That's why this guy in the video (who I would be happy for my daughter to date) isn't getting any attention. The women in his area want a man with tatoos and muscles.
Yeah they feel like, but they aren't, or are they? Solely they think bunga dates are equal partnership material, and the betray of modern feminism about age doesn't matter, the cougar lie...
Imagine the hard bitter fall, they will encounter soon.
Am i crazy or 2.5 matches a day is pretty good?
Interesting experiment! It's important to understand the challenges of online dating, especially for average guys. Thanks for shedding light on this topic.
I am 6'4", mid 30s, average looking, skinny athletic, good social skills and sense of humor, good paying job, healthy hobbies (sports, hiking, traveling)
No debts, no major issues, no drug use.
I have had next to zero success on dating apps and gotten rid of them.
This excellent video only reconfirmed what I already knew.
Guys, get off the grid and get into real life.
As far as women are concerned, warm and cold approach is the ONLY way to go.
No, definitely not cold, unless you're highly attractive
@@TwistedLullabies Not cold approach as in "I must approach ten chicks per day". But should the opportunity present itself, I will go for cold approach. Nothing to lose, always win win situation.
Have you gotten laid via warm/cold approach?
Cold approach is nothing different than dating apps tbh. Is all about looks.
@@yyysamuel3215 No.
If he's a 6/10 then we really have no hope, dude's genuinely good looking
fr tho
He is a 6 though , nothing special about him, pretty average face, he’s only got height going for him and he looks really dorky . I guarantee if he didn’t look like such a dorky techie , he’d have more matches
@@salga6705 He's not a 6. Most women would say he's a 3/10 to be honest.
@@OccidentalAryan I'm a woman and he would easily be a 9 for me ? Idk what parameters he uses to rate them
@@Marinaacr i agree with you, he is really handsome. I was shocked when the guy called him a 6/10, he is nowhere average looking.
Great study! Thanks for exposing the time waste on these apps.
Amazing analysis, and is spot on!
The problem is even if you meet girls irl, most of them have dating apps so when they go back home they'll still have those thousands of matches. This has ruined everything and people cope by saying "tinder isn't real life". IT IS. Even when you meet girls irl their brain will still be on tinder mode, so no matter where or how you meet her you're still competing with those top 5% of guys
I doubt most girls irl are on dating apps looking at the stats. I think it's more likely for them to get corrupted via social media
I get where you're coming from but it's not necessary true. Talking to women in real life is way different than Tinder. There's a lot of girls i could never pull on tinder that i could have a conversation with in person and maybe get some interest from them.
The top 5% of guys don't waste their time on dating apps, they're socialising on a completely whole other level.
You're actually competing alot lower down, which is even more worrying if you still can't gain traction.
Women just want the best male they can attract, just like men do.
What you need to understand also is that alot of attractive men underscore themselves and sleep with alot of substandard basic women. Men always tend to sleep down, while women sleep up.
I probably wouldn't swipe right to 95% of the women I see on Tinder and other apps either, most of them are a mess.
Who said I was competing for these women of sand? Lemme be honest when I say that dating apps are a blessing because now the average man doesn't have to endure the hardships of the "Catfish": Women being who you want to be for a month and then exposing their true intentions, the average man can focus on bettering himself. Chad has limitless amount of puniti and I'm fine with that. I rather be invisible than enduring a woman that complains over ever single persona I have.
Exactly! I always have to point this out to those 'Tinder is not real life' people.
No joke, this guy is in his prime and will be for the next 10-15 years. He's too good for the dumpster fire that is Tinder. He's needs to just live life and meet women organically (i.e. work, school, gym, socializing, fun leisure/activities, etc.)
Factos
@@gokublack9080 That's not true. The tinder phenomenon obviously has also an impact how women see themself in real life. Best thing you can do right now is to become religious! It doesn't matter what religion!!!! Any religion is aware of this problems wheater we talk about christianty, islam, judaism, hindu or buddism. They all have restrictions for the women mainly but also for men. This is scientificly proven, that religious people have way more children than non religious ones. "Until death devides you"
The age pill will be setting at point
The problem is even if you meet girls irl, most girls are using dating apps too nowadays in 2022.
@@yyysamuel3215 women's standards have gone through the roof and you're at risk of being cancelled for being too unattractive as that's classed as harassment. Meet IRL at your peril. You better be chad.
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
They made an experiment back then on RUclips with a guy who had some Chad Pics on Tinder (wasnt his) and got a lot of swipes. During conversation he mentioned he was jailed for pedophilia in the past. The Answers he got were like: "Everyone made mistakes in the past, I think you should not be judged, followed by dating and even intercourse offers." Just a glimpse in the bizarre psychology and why there is barely any hope left for Men.
I don't believe it. Otherwise they might have replied that kind of answer to not be threaten by him (and ghosted him, blocked him later).
@@il9001 Nope you're wrong. The video was taken down already but I saw it with my own eyes and they were flirtacious, engaging and pro active in getting him to sleep with them.
@@hischransen8069 That's disgusting... but it says a lot about the kind of women they are... And who would like to be with such women?
@@hischransen8069 I remember this video, ruclips.net/video/MSq54f2JT_U/видео.html&t. Skip to 4:19 for chad profile, and 6:50 for results.
@@cl-pt6cv Ah yeah, that's it (or at least a video based on the one I saw). Thanks for sharing!
For some reason it's still not known to the general public that if you're not deemed desirable by the app's algorithm, they give you a low ELO score which basically shadow bans your profile. You're not ugly, just literally nobody ever sees your profile. What this also means is that at that point buying boosts doesn’t help. It doesn’t show your profile to x amount of people, it shows your profile like 10x more than usual. 10x0 is still 0 tho.
True. I made experiments with male model pics and still did not get any matches.
cope. i did experment and it mental ly crashing given my 1 in 500 match ratio vs models 1 in 15
That’s what I been saying to people!!
@@ProfWho-ut5he Great work! I'd love to see more of this. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't put a land whale on the covers of Cosmo, Fitness and SI magazines and demand we say they are objectively beautiful. Today, if a man isn't beautiful he's called ugly and if a woman isn't ugly she's called beautiful. It's just as biased against men as the MSM were against Donald Trump.
@@Cameron_David_ mate, there’s nothing they don’t do for business reasons. They really don’t give a shit whether you and i find a girlfriend or not
Thank you for spreading the truth
Thanks for helping!!! Greetings from Argentina
The one thing he left out is that the women you will match with will often be far below your rating. You will likely only see 3s,4s and 5s in your matches which further frustrates oneself
I'm proud to say that in my day my dates were prettier than I am.
If you’re doing online dating, you can, on average, deduct 2 points of your SMV. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Means a HTN will date mostly below average women. Law of supply and demand.
@@bigneiltoo nothing to be proud of. Dating was literally 100x easier before the internet.
Exactly. That’s the whole conclusion of average male dating experience. Getting rejected by Stacys and crying about it online making it seems like no women ever wants them (probably because female normies are not even considered as women to them lmao)
@@emmarose7491 stop.... just stop.....
When you're alone for an extended period of time, men adjust their standards. Women don't. Men will even take 3s or 4s because we're hornier....
Get out of here with your nonsense.
As a male, I've gotten 1 match and 1 like in the last 5 years. On every dating app you can name. 5 years. 1 match. The conversation was 1 sentence. I just said Good evening. And that was it.
About the same for me
In a month i got less than 20, at one point i had tinder and badoo installed. Escorts for me buddy boyo
Bs, why would you keep using it then
lift, shower, get money. It'll happen.
Do you swipe left on below average looking women? You're probably aiming too high my dude.
Love how you tell info efficiently. Thanks you !
Thanks for making this video.
Bruhhh. This guy ain't a 6 he's more like a 7.5-8 on looks, jawline, height, skin, looks fairly well kept and what seems like a healthy lifestyle. Educated and with some interesting hobbies. We don't even stand a chance. 😭
Lets be real this guy is a 5-6. If thats you in your pfp oh boy, i understand why you overrate people. I hope thats not you and just some bloke you set your pfp as to make fun of cuz thats brutaaaaaal.
I think you are right. he is a 7.5-8 on looks and has his shit together. I think his problem is women want a 'bad boy' that will toss them around and give it to them hard. This guy doesn't give off that vibe. Idk how you are supposed to give off that vibe other than to just look like a tool with tats, backwards hat, and tilt your head back with gang symbols up.
Lmfao an 8.
Incels yet again exposing their ideology of nothing more than the fault of false delusions. Makes me think that the supposed "average men" they constantly include themselves in as "struggling" are actually just genuinely ugly people if they overrated this dude so much.
No he isn’t. You have not seen actual 8+
@ProteusXF Exaclty, if you go out in the streets often, taking busses and the subway, you will see that the average person is far off from the "average" you see in social media. This guy is definetely good looking.
There should be a class action suit against these dating apps.
I'm on board with this. It's been proven that these apps are rigged, they are intentionally ruining men's mental health.
I think it will eventually happen. I think we should start demanding transparency and certain quality of service, for example you pay to the app only if you get a date or some other scheme.
Why do men assume they're entitled to get responses? If the dating apps never guarantee you'll get responses then it's arrogance/delusion to think you'll get many replies.
It's just people posting photos and text . It's a crazy way to meet someone.
You can’t should’ve could’ve your way to power
I think Tinder is something that actually has an influence on today's world in terms of relationship, fertility rates, demography and more. Because of how it works and what it promotes, many hearts have been broken. Sure, many people got married as well, that's true. But overall experience for medium to okay looking guys is rather a disaster and leads to a massive time waste.
Great Work!
Best video on dating apps I ever watched , literally deleted all my dating apps as I was watching this video !
Briefly hopped on the apps after a breakup and then deleted them after rewatching a Wheat Waffles video that set me straight lol
Women will tell you that you need better photos, that you need to improve your bio etc. When I chadfished I had 3 bedroom selfies and a one liner bio. After a day I had hundreds of matches. Online dating is 100% about looks.
Proves many women these days are just looking for hook-ups, sabotaging their long-term relationship potential.
You are 100% correct!
Height is also only issue if you are a midget like 5'5 and below. Women would pick 5'10 actual Chad over this 6'3 blonde guy easily.
Bullshit unless your face is superstar level selfies wont work they wpuld just look austistic and they wontatch you if you dont have insthram out and verified.
Keep spreading the message man. As long as men keep simping for women on social media and dating apps, it will never end.
My parents set me an arranged marriage .where the girl and me talk about ourselves and got married in 1 month where both of family members and parents are happy .. Im lucky to have her .we shared our opinions and education and interests . we are happily married.
@@drbh6331 how does this help men in any kind of way ?
Yes simping needs to stop. I don't follow IG models anymore.
@@distortion7465 Don't mind this idiot, they think life is black and white.
@@drbh6331 are you an Indian btw?
Wow, great video 👍
Honestly bro. I appreciate you ❤
Sad reality is that even subfive girls are trying for chads instead of someone of their own tier. Credit goes to simps who have overrated them all the time 🤬
Chads hook up with sub-fives a lot because it is a guaranteed lay. One of my housemates was a chad who brought home many sub-five Asian women.
@@riproar11 although i would say that asian women are not necessarily subfive. But yeah i agree with u. Chads use lower tier women for casual hookups and one night stands coz its an easy and effortless win.
@@kylemarsun do you also have a close chad friend? I have 2 of them, in their mind both are blue pill and its hard to bare to hear their jokes and also when they communicate their standards/values if some other "normie" guys talk about whom they flirted with. They will joke if "it was their material" and maybe mock a person if they talked only. There might be a glimpse of naive way of thinking that this is as easy for anyone if you know tricks (as they do not realise they are only able to live their small wannabe-high-society-life because of looks). In the end I do not get that most of them have never thought about this. They wouldn't understand a word and one of them even tried to make me feel better about me and my average looks when I spoke to the "more bluepilled" one about looks and about kind of girls he can get and what girls I will get if I try. He did not really got the point and an evidence I notice just right now while writing my text: He looks hispanic, but has a more oriental looking brother. This brother has not that much luck with girls like him. He also knows his non-chad brother is unhappy about this but the chad-brother only reflects the "unhealthy" way of thinking in which his non-chad brother somehow "competes with him in his mind". The chad only sees the mindset stuff and (possibly real) mindset "mistakes". That these people all do not reflect these things...
True. If men were a little more critical with swiping on Tinder.. those sub 5 girls have also not much options. Desperate men no standard men on dating apps are the problem that women are so picky right now! Incells are a incells worst enemy!
@@shreyassen4260 How can many Asian women not be sub-five?? There are plenty of unattractive ones with really flat faces. In Asian countries, they are the leftover women who work in factories sewing Timberland jackets, assembling iPhones, and cutting up fish.
From my observation and from word of mouth from fraternity friends, many tall good looking chads did a lot of sub-five women. One sub-five lived many days per week in the frat house and was passed around like a beer.
Ive once created a fake profile on Tinder, with pictures of a Romanian male model, a 9/10 at least.
I was shocked at how bad my matching rates and conversations were even then.
It should be just not worth your time.
That's probubly because you still had the old ELO ranking of your real self...
Makes you wonder if there are actually real people behind these profiles or just bots looking to take your money?
Have to remember that alot of people gave their image rights away with certain party apps years ago.
Dude I once created a tinder profile of a good looking chad (8/10 I would say) and I got nudes from like 20 girls
I actually had the opposite effect. I used some fitness influencer who looked like he was straight out of Twilight and I got at least 5 matches per day.
If the pictures are obviously a male model then women will know it's a catfish.
Well said about the opportunity cost: every activity is better than wasting your time on Tinder et such. Both statistically and in terms of self esteem/mental health, you get better rewards even playing video games or biking.
I would not put "hope" in the pros. Disappointment is a huge setback and false hopes foster low self esteem. Those apps detroy your psyche to entertain a few women, you become their toy. No one should ever stoop to being a product for others to play with.
I am a middle-aged, separated male, I quit all of the online dating app's I was on just prior to watching your videos for the reasons presented after making my own assessments that were the same. So, for those of us 'average honest males' what is the alternative? I don't frequent the Pub, I don't got to Night clubs, my social circle is with married couples, etc, etc. The future does not look very positive!!
What women want: a guy who is tall, strong, handsome, athletic, well-endowed, smart, funny, confident, creative, charming, ambitious, adventurous, educated and successful. Must have a nice car and a large income.
What women offer in return: nothing.
"Emma Rose" is now crying.
They have inherent value meanwhile sub 7 men have nothing so stop coping
They want an unrealistic perfect guy which is never going to happen. I see a generation of sad lonely ladies
@@davidrivas6412 pls stop coping the only one that are suffering are men, women dont want your shitty genes
@kiro_minev a pastor once said that the girls at church always complain to him that they always pray to god for a godly man who is strong ,six ft., tall, handsome and blonde hair and they're frustrated because god is not blessing them. But the pastor said maybe god has someone else's for them that don't fit their standards. Even the church girls want a perfect man.
@@malepatternbaldness5718 take away the makeup and they have next to no value, lol. even the models are caked in makeup.
Yea I’ll never go back to tinder
FACTS!
the real world is better? how? it is a numbers game
Get a robot doll probably when they’re affordable. Until then, maybe I’ll just approach thee entire world Bro
@@AZITHEMLGPRO Feminists are shaming doll robots from 2 decades coz they know that they'll not get validation from average guys!
@meeks welp I guess we’ll have to just live in the woods with our dolls then
Data is appreciated brother.
People don’t realize that putting yourself on tinder is actually objectifying yourself. And a 6/10 for this guy? I think he looks really good, especially in the dog photo. Stop looking for desperate people’s validation, cause that’s what this app is all about.
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Yeah this dude is at least an 8+, when he said 6/10 i nearly lost my shit. And my self confidence lol😂
Yeah 6/10 was just cruel and wrong.
Wtf?
He IS 6/10, that is a very accurate and honest appraisal.
Bruh, getting a date on tinder be harder than getting accepted to HARVARD med school LOL.
Big facts
What’s funny is that 3.7% is the acceptance rate of Harvard, which is coincidentally(?) the same as two other rates in the video
Most of the guys that I know that "beat the game" (got married), did so without much effort. A woman came into their life and chose them, and they chose the woman. There wasn't any extensive dating or games, they just got really lucky and it worked out. They have kids and families now, while I'm still single wondering why I can't meet any women
You are right. There's a lot of luck involved in marriage. You have to find a woman that has decided she wants to get married. You have to pass the "first impression" test to get a date.. Then if you do get married, 50% chance you will get divorced. If you are not divorced.. huge percentage chance that the marriage is not really that happy lol. The point? Just because your friend has kids doesn't mean that the marriage is happy. Lots of couples put on the good front, the man brags about how awesome his wife is, then they get divorced 6 months later. Focus on your own goals my friend, even if a woman is in your life, only you can control your own happiness. (Not meant as a lecture, just trying help)
@@paultest4544 thanks Paul. Good points indeed
Happened to my best friend. He never even went on a date or really even tried with women then one day he magically finds someone online and she moves all the way from LA to Indianapolis. Then they're engaged and get married and been married for 7 years now with 1 kid. He was just 24 when he got married too
They were lucky, it’s sadly true, when a girl happens to “choose you”, you’ve already won - you can say something stupid, even make the date terrible and she’ll just laugh it off and still want you. There is no complicated dating/flirting/getting to know for days, only to be ghosted/rejected.
Paul is right. It really is luck.. plain and simple. I've had friends of mine try to debate me on this but once they start to think about it..... they suddenly go silent and realize I'm right. Wether you call it fate, destiny, luck, whatever... it's generally something completely out of our control.
If I participate in a podcast again I'll def bring this up as I just don't hear to many people acknowledging this point. Finding someone is a matter of luck.. not choice. So many variables involved it's nothing but luck.
A good friend of mine who is older than I am and still a virgin, never had a girlfriend told me once.....
"Relationships aren't a choice if it was never an option first."
No truer words spoken.
great Vid, THANKS!
Thanks for the video you've saved me money and time.
Using a dating app is like panning for gold in an outhouse.
Jokes on your I'm digging for brown gold !
For real.
If this man is considered a 6/10 and has odds stacked against him, I stand no chance lol
You and me both Fella hence why I have always Disregarded them ALL ….
Not that this will make you feel better, but most women would not consider his face sexually attractive. it's not better than a 5/10
@@michaelangst6078 He literally looks like an insell in the thumbnail picture lol. That's why he has hard time getting dates.
just meet women in real life you probably have a way better chance
@@jaybrick8973 this needs to be said louder. Screw tinder some people need to grow balls and talk to girls irl instead of the internet
Thank you for the video.
Amen, well said bro.
Love this data driven advice. Cheers man. I am always a fan of the house party conversation to hookup.
It's awful! My wife left me a few years ago and it's been impossible to move on. I can't get a simple coffee date. I'm a military veteran, college educated, a content creator by trade, I have steady income, I'm decent looking, I'm in great shape at 40 years old, I have fun hobbies, I like animals, and yet, nothing.
What makes it worse is people have always assumed that women are just attracted to me. It's to the point now where the fastest way to piss me off is by complimenting my looks. I wish I were just butt ugly. At least then there would be a reason...
Military veteran. That’s your issue.
Fuck veterans.
@@atavism-dream I don't have any friends. I have one acquaintance I hang out with a couple of times a month. Other than that I spend most of my time with my cat an my mother. I've already given up. And as far as escorts go, I'm too worried about getting busted.
But at least I have an excellent excuse as to why I don't give a flying fuck about women's rights. Can't get an abortion? I guess you better shut your legs then and get a good calendar.
@@atavism-dream I’m not sure what’s worse.
•that you seriously believe that because one gets rejected it means you are “too good” for them
• or that you think I’m so stupid, that I’m going to believe all that nonsense you wrote.
@@blahblah2779 The average female has the personality and competence of a tree stump let's be real. They're attractive but that's about it. Exceptional females are gigachadonly.
Based on your picture it seems to explain your lack of success. No need to wish for it.
Someone needs to do this with an actual "average" looking man. 290 matches is killing it. And one needs to always bring up the sheer number of bots or girls who are only marketing their OF or whatever.
women just troll tinder for ego boosts or free dinners
No, it's actually a little bit below the average. Mikhail Peterson (Jordan Peterson daughter) brought online dating up with a guest on her podcast. Says around 4.1% of women will swipe right with men on tinder. So, about 290/7886 is 3.7% which is around it but still below.
@@mikelisteral7863 It's that more than anything. The actual women who use Tinder are trash. They're just left-overs that are either too high maintenance or are too oblivious/mentally ill to understand that they were the problem in there past "bad" relationships or they feel they deserve some ideal being that could never exist, so they flock to Tinder for an ego boost and to have hoards of men swoon over them. A guy being average guy isn't the problem when he's got nothing but severely below average women to choose from and letting their insane/idiotic standards sway him into thinking he has less worth than he actually does is the real problem here. My advice to all my fellow men out there: just don't use dating sites, unless you want someone who's pure garbage and hate having an actual relationship with someone.
@@knighnp Should use number of right swipes, not percentage. More male than female users could explain this, as well as more swipes per day per male user. Even with gold.
Good job, man.
Brilliant analysis
Dating apps absolutely destroyed my self esteem
same. I now think I'm fuck ugly and any time I'm talking to people I think there looking at me and thinking "WOW this guy is disgusting"
Then stay away from them.
@@monk4ever ....no shit
It’s so correct, im 27 and luckily I met my
Now fiancé and mother of my
Child on a night out when I was 19 which was before tinder really kicked off.
My girlfriends sister is 24. She is exactly like this video, gets a rediculous amount of attention on social media. But it’s just like WW says she never finds a real relationship because the only guys she goes for are in the top 10% of looks. They just pump her and move on. She won’t accept a normal looking bloke though. This is how messed up woman’s perception of what they deserve in a relationship has become.
glad you saved yourself the struggle :) i think everybody has experienced that people seem to be prettier the more we like them - that's not really a factor on dating apps (not before meeting in person). body language and hormons are extremely important for finding people attractive, but that only works when being physically near each other.
My gf's friend did the same thing. I told her to stop chasing all the super hot guys. Those guys have ZERO reason to stay as they can get all the women.
Well let me ask you this, serious question. She's 24 years old. Why not shoot for the moon? Why not try to land a man who is "above" her? Don't men do the same thing? She's got plenty of time to figure out her life and find a partner. When she's ready for a real relationship, she will change her standards, as most women do when looking for a husband.
@@trollnerd because there arent that many type of men to go around for all women. and why would a chad settle down with a girl when he can just pump and dump them if theyre stupid enough to let him?
@@trollnerd that’s terrible advice
The thing that kept me on Tinder for a long time is that between 2014 - 2017 I had a really significant experience on Tinder, not only with more matches but also significant chats and dates, and my profile photos looked worse than today, my bio was worse, I was a worse conversation starter than today, and still I got good results! From 2017 on the experience nosedived noticeably and I could say the pandemic was coffin nails. My theory is that Tinder worked great for first adopters because of lower competition, and as the amount of guys increased exponentially, even above average guys got obliterated.
As someone who didn’t get on tinder until 2022 and find a girlfriend after 2 months my theory at least what I think is that it’s easier in rural areas than it is in the big cities. I don’t consider myself a chad, no hollow cheeks and lack the jawline chads have yet I was still able to achieve success on tinder. I come from Montana a rural American state, the gender demographics aren’t even favorable in my town (52% Male 47% Female) but i was able to get a girlfriend. I feel as if I was from the city rather than rural Montana I would be like everyone else in the comments.
Tinder has changed a lot over the years, I remember using it back in the day like 2014 and actually getting some matches and it was completely free, no paid tier subs like it is now. The apps been completely changed into a revenue generating machine and nothing more, between the disgusting hidden algorithms to the grossly overpriced subs. Ive tried using it once or twice over the past couple years but its just deafening silence. You'll get a few matches in the first couple days of creating a new profile and then it completely drops off (hidden algorithm) and all those matches you are just left on read anyways. Complete waste of time.
It's why I got off that site. They don't wanna give me the time of day, why should I bother to spend my time on them??
He's gotta wait til he's 50 to age like fine wine- Cars With Copes
😂😂
By Redpillers logic, all girls in school/university are dating HVM in his 50s & university guys are single! 😂
@@jkshallinheritearth3883 Well like 75% of young men are single for sure lol. ''University guys'' you mean Chads.
I'm scared to grow up and experience dating in these modern times, especially as an introvert 😬
Same here...I'm 36 and just started...it's as bad as they say. Most women won't even have a conversation anymore, even though they lose absolutely nothing but time. I have gotten about 5 matches in 3 months and I'm not that great looking...one date (she was new to dating, too and an introvert as well, but wasn't what I wanted as she was also too busy to date and seemed indifferent), but the other women...one was an absolute racist...one wanted friends with benefits, but wouldn't be my first (I'm a virgin, too), and one wanted to control everything in my life after only 2 days of conversation.
Still trying as I paid for 6 months and not gonna waste my money. But as it appears now...it's probably a lost cause.
@@joshpatrick8809 brutal man
@@joshpatrick8809 are these single moms you're matching with?
@@stopgettingtriggered only 3 of them
Truth be told, I don't really mind single mom's, but I think they're looking for a single father.
I totally agree with you, I have been to 20 first dates but all of them never converted into something serious, the main reason is that the dating app tricked me into thinking "there is a better person on the next swipe", so instead of settling down, I have tremendous option to keep on swiping and go on forever, this is an issue. Or maybe I should terminate at some point and working on the existing girls but they just did not catch my attention after conversing at the first date, idk
This is really great video
The problem is: womens use of make up and other appearance augmenting measures leads to an inflated sense of attractiveness. This is why we hear even extremely average or below average women claiming they want "tall dark handsome" when in reality they should be going for 5/10 blokes.
100% correct!!!1
The deception is what makes these apps suck. After 100 dates I can tell you that women ALWAYS FUCKING LIE about their appearance and I'm over it.
@Matt
Agreed.
I don’t wear make up. Make up is sorcery lol and a major deception tool. Women should be required to submit one make up free picture lol
Yeah, I feel the "self-inflation" of attractiveness is definitely a big part. Even without makeup, it's a commonly known and well-researched phenomenon - people will tend to rate themselves higher than average (usually 7/10), even if they are perfectly average or under-average.
If it makes you feel better though, parts of this video that are inherently misleading or straight-up wrong if you understand how human perception works.
The subject is quite average in terms of looks. There's a lot of research done on this topic, but the fact is that if you think someone is "just above average" they are probably just average. And I don't think everything else is particularly impressive either - the only *real* strength he has is his tall height, and that is even offset by some of the other profile points that make him less approachable. No offense to your friend, but it seems like he is as average as can be (which is normal), so it is only to be expected that he isn't getting tons of girls on these dating apps. In an environment where there are many more girls than guys, it makes sense that girls are more "choosy" and your average male isn't getting many hits. It's simply logical - he's not as "good" as the video makes him out to be, and being perfectly average on a dating app usually doesn't cut it.
lol true, i can vouch for this and im a straight guy.
I'm into alt fashion right now (kinda goth) and use eyeliner, nail polish, and other accessories like earrings
I'd say I'm a 6/10 in terms of looks... but slightly above average in terms of my body since I work out. But because of my fashion style, I scored some hot girls through tinder
I guess styling yourself really does make a difference 🤷♂️
Spending 13mins on this video to avoid spending 130 hours on dating apps which devalue men. Thank god! Brutal is so accurate.
I just clicked on this video and I got a Hinge and Bumblebee dating app ad, while having yet to finish this video! Ya, NO I'm good on the apps but I'll watch this video!😂
This gave me the courage to finally stop dating apps, hopefully I can get myself together more now. Thanks for this, though.
He's 6'3" too. Pack it up boys.
lmao this guy mogs me in every possible way, its so over. i was conceived and it was over.
We must bring back Islam or extreme Christianism, soyciety is broken and weak.
I did dating on tinder once and what really surprised me about comparing that lived experience with this video/experiment was how different my approach was to the experimental one here.
I swiped on maximum of 30 people a day because it's draining to read or view too many profiles at a time, plus I'm busy. I was hoping to get one or two matches only, come off the app and then connect with just those two to see if there's any spark. If there wasn't, I'd go back in the app and seek another two maybe.
I can't imagine trying to have a meaningful conversation with as many matches as this guy still ended up with.
My radius was set to quite small because I can't relocate and don't want a long distance relationship. So I didn't get shown lots of profiles either. Which is good because too many would be stressful.
So I think women in general take a more focussed approach rather than scatter gun. If you widen the net too far and end up with 250 matches in one go, all you'd have time to say to all of them is 'hi, how's your day?' and they know they're just one of many potentials getting that same message.
The match rate and the reply rate is so slow casting the widest net is the only viable option.
This has been my experience of online dating my entire 20’s I’m 27 now
He has that "nice guy" look about him. When you see women on Tik Tok whining about..."Where have all the good guys gone?", especially, those who hit the Wall. It's guys like in this video they are passing up on.
Women are in search of the Chad who is a gentleman like we're in search of the unicorn. Neither of them exist! What a messed up world this is.
Like man looking for a 10/10 virgin housewife.
>Neither of them exist
Chads do exist and will sleep with these women on one night stands leaving them "alpha" widows. These chad-sexual roasties are dooming us all.
Women only want nice after they've been ravaged by abusive men. And it's usually a short stint with the nice ones, they want to get back to the overconfident, macho, highly aggressive men (who will abuse them again). And the cycle repeats
He does give off that nice guy vibe 👍
Every girl is probably thinking, "He looks like a nice guy I can settle for at 30." "And that's you!"
I can confirm this is 100% accurate in Western countries. Even 6-7 years ago it was not this bad. Tinder and tinderization of the market.
It's not just tinder. It's Instagram and tiktok. Most women don't open tinder because it's overwhelming and they can't handle the choice paralysis. It only gets worse over time as they simply keep accruing more followers.
@@ihatelensflare Then they hit the Willie Coyote moment....splat.
@lgbtq_hitlеr Yeah we should. A Chad is a Chad anywhere in the world not just England or USA.
I tried it with some dating apps. I'm 6'4, skinny, had long blonde hair, lived in a small town but had my radar on for big cities close by. The only two "dates" I got were with a single mom, freshly broken out of a relationship and dumb as a loaf of toast and a 22 year old who was a highschool dropout and I meet neither more than twice. I stopped using these apps, found a girlfriend and realized, after that relationship went to shits, that talking to people, rather than texting or just showing my face, is my key. Humor, witts, knowledge, some wisdom and of course listening to people and figuring out what makes them sad or happy.
How did you end up meeting your girlfriend?
@@xannecorinnex I meet her via a different friend of mine. She introduced us to each other without thinking she'd start seeing me after leaving her bf at the time. I'm not proud of that btw.
I've used Tinder, Bumble, and another dating app and almost always are they never long-term. If you get a match and you meet up, most likely the match will be short-lived, having no purpose and clueless as to what both sides came there for. Tinder and most other dating apps actually lower men's self-esteem and objectifies women in the process as we swipe for hours. It is far healthier to get outside in the real world to meet a woman and gain social skills, as Wheat Waffles mentioned, than it is to waste time and hope that we get a '"good match". Women should not be our priority if we are single. Focus on yourself and the women will start to come.
Hey Wheat Waffles, could you do an experiment where you make two identical male profiles, but make one say "bus driver" and make another say "investment banker". It would be great to quantify how much difference money makes.
They did one where someone changed one thing from his profile: he added that he was a home owner. The difference was stark
what's so interesting about being a betabux?
@@Ri-hr4uy lots of blackpillers argue that moneymaxxing doesn't work. I agree in the terms of a long term relationship but if you can fake it well enough I belive you can get consistent one night stands.
@@nocap2174 where can I find it? Could you link it?
If the bus driver is a tatted up ex-con and spends his free time smoking dubbies he would win.
It's not just online dating. In previous generations the average man had something to offer with stability on a single wage. Nowadays, what does the average man actually have to offer? government welfare, women's hypergamy out of control and average men are living extremely lonely lives. All women have intrinsic value which is sex (juggernaut law), chad has intrinsic value with superior genetics, but what inherent value does the average man have? No wonder men end up exiting life.
The average man is not needed because the gubmint provides women with everything. The enemy of man is actually government, men need to adopt the anarchist mindset
Over a year ago when everybody was wearing masks, much younger women would confuse me with being younger because I have a full head of hair (hardly any gray) and physically fit. I went into a market to purchase a few items after hiking in my shorts. The woman at the cash register starts criticizing the high fat content of the cream cheese I purchased. I explain to her that I am on a high fat, moderate protein, low carb diet. I walked away wondering why she was even talking to me. After I got home and replayed our interaction I realized she was sh*t testing me. I am so accustomed to women having poor attitudes, I don't know when they are hitting on me
Codeoncommand,
Your logic is flawed. Most women on the planet date average men. This is evidenced by going outside and seeing looks matched couples.
Average is the most common of anything. Average has to be 51 percent or higher of anything. Arguably 90 percent or higher. It's impossible for the vast majority of women to date/marry outside the 90 percent average.
Black pill RUclipsr Travis Blackpill has questioned the very essence of black pill. He's currently making YT videos debunking women dating chad and chad lite men. He argues the vast majority of women date average oofy doofy guys. The guy has revealed the deep flaw/truth at the heart of black pill. The truth is women date average looka/average income men not chad. I accept if you're 3 out of 10 on benefits you may prove the black pill is true but Travis Blackpill maintains women date oofy doofy men (arguably 4 to 6 looks). Travis is the most black pilled guy I've ever seen on RUclips and even he has conceded women date average looking men.
& don’t forget the money printing
lol i love the expression "exiting life"
Hey Wheat Waffles, have you come across any studies or research on how hair loss impacts attractiveness? Specifically, any insights correlating stages of hair loss to attractiveness ratings, perhaps based on the Hamilton-Norwood scale? It's a topic that I think many would find intriguing and beneficial to understand. Thanks for your insightful content!
Nobody likes bold women 🤷♀️
So funny that I got a Bumble ad on this particular video
Years ago, before tinder was super popular I went on a blind date with what is now my wife. We hit it off right away. We're both normal people, have great careers earning six figures each, children together, and now a home. I feel like nowadays we would have never matched based of how these apps work. They're designed to keep the user in an infinite loop and paying to play like some sort of casino. I got super lucky finding a quality girl, but my advice would be to stay off these apps.
Goooood for youuuuu.
But yes you are correct. All about money. I’ve had tinder say the same 20 people have liked me for 2 years. Everything is a scheme now days.
Exactly, there's a reason why the creator of Bumble is a billionaire. The apps are designed on a dopamine reward system like slot machines.
Ur beta bux
Thank you. I'll never use these apps. I'm average. I've slept with sixteen women in my life and met none of them on dating apps. I'm now a father to my little girl, and have equal parental rights despite not being in a relationship with the mother. I consider myself very lucky with such massive odds stacked against men in the modern world.
You either have no standards at all or got some serious game son
@@ashraile Some were hot, some were definitely not 😅 But getting older I realised a romantic relationship/marriage/whatever isn't important to me, but I was always wanted to raise a child, and now I can. All I had to do was stop watching porn for a month, be a bit cocky, and that was that. She's beautiful, and I love her more than I'll ever love another girl.
@@Gregitty what about the poor child without a father in the home.
I was this child and I despised shared parental care
@@penderyn8794 There is a father figure in the home. Her mother went back to the father of her other four children. We had an affair. She is surrounded by family on both sides. Every situation is different. Her siblings are very caring and loving with her.
@Greg this seems like a weird question but they lady had 4 kids before her right? How loose was she or u know what I mean? Again not trying to be weird just curious
Great doc
Perfect video! Its 100% true!
Men, en masse, NEED to give up on dating apps, before any leverage can shift back to mens' favor
Man is mans greatest enemy. That will never happen bud.
AGREED
@creationist creationist I wonder what the numbers are for men overall leaving or joining dating apps ...
@@karlwest437 this
@creationist creationist then how do you meet women? it is a numbers game
Modern dating is getting to the point where all you can really do is looksmaxx best you can and hope someone takes an interest in you. Women have such absurd abundance and so much access to Chad that any kind of dating strategy is a joke.
getting lots of money helps too. It's difficult to be charming or interesting or confident if it doesn't come naturally.
@Alex same Lmfao
Men shouldn't waste their time and energy on women that don't like you. Just focus on you
@Alex they are not, there is a reason simping has become a thing. I often wonder the guys who claim to check out, whether secretly those guys are out there simping like fck.
The secret to matching more on the apps is to have epic photos that tell a story. Women are always interested when you present an endearing narrative; your looks are only part of their judgement
3 DATES?! Out of 16,600?? Insane! (In a bad way) 😧