Yes We Can Race Now!! Oculus Quest 2 Final Review.
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- Опубликовано: 4 ноя 2024
- Now link is out of beta we can finally race with full fidelity using the Oculus Quest 2, previously sim racing titles looked awful but that's all now changed!
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Just wanna say I appreciate the fact these reviews are done in one take. Other channels keep chopping from take to take and can end up quite jarring to watch.
These reviews are natural, no silly background music, just a decent bloke giving an honest review
Doing my best mate! :)
You're pretty much the only reviewer I've seen be so harsh with their criticism of the Quest 2's PCVR experience so I've valued your word a lot since I'm very sensitive to latency and resolution. I've already got an Index for my setup but it's nice to be informed about the competition.
Honesty I think some people just want the views and affiliate clicks! lol
To me, it is what it is, simple as that :)
It’s $300 it’s no more competition than a Toyota Yaris is to a Ferrari
@@JohnShoreuk honestly though it’s not anymore, sure it’s a big difference, but i’m sure ppl with indexs get shmoked by some quest 2 players all day
I have been playing iRacing on Quest 2 using link. Used debug to up bandwidth to 500 and set settings on Oculus software to 90hz and rendering resoultion to 1.4 and getting a solid 89 fps (+1 and -2 fluctuation max). i5 9600k RTX 2060 Super, G920 Wheel and pedals with PlaySeat Challenge. I'm pretty happy with it. First experience of VR and I think I've been fortunate. Thanks for the vids Karl they have been very helpful.
Sounds like a decent setup to me mate! Enjoy! :)
PLEASE READ!! V24 for link has just updated so I'll do some more testing with this too and weirdly it's still not defaulting to the native resolution of the Q2 for some reason?!
Also Virtual Desktop has just been updated to 1.18.0 and there a HUGE difference! Lag is basically gone if you have a good system and there's a bump in quality too!! Video to follow!! :)
Never used VD, can't see how it will be better than a link cable. Glad we agree about how good the Q2 is for SIM racing though. I've really struggled on Assetto Corsa with it though, works perfectly on iracing and other games, i take it Assetto has worked ok for you?
Hey! what speed does the link cable test show for you? mine says 2.8Gbps with a 3rd party cable so im wondering if the official cable would improve my experience in any way
Thank you! Looking forward to your review of the new virtual desktop. Guy Godin said this version reduces latency by 10ms so I'm really curious what a sim racer will think about it.
I have a mid range pc, Ryzen 3600, 16gig Ram, 8gig Radeon 580 and a fast M2 drive. I have been playing Half Life Alyx using Virtual desktop wireless and it's been really good with virtually no lag that I can see. Yet when I plug the link cable in it says 2.8gig connection but the quality goes down whilst playing the same game and it's laggy. Any ideas? PS, Dirt rally 2.0 also looks crap with either cable or wireless. I'm thinking I need a new graphics card? 🙈
@@CharlySayz I made the same experience. Using VD since Quest 1 and was always very happy. When Link was in beta, VD was giving better results. And now with Link not in beta, even when I pull the settings in Oculus Developer Debug, VD looks still better to me. Although the menus of games, I can see that with Link it is sharper. But in game VD is still looking better.
I've been a Rift-s user from day one and that is now sold cuz my Quest2 is so much better. Its smoother, clearer and overall a much better headset. I LOVE IT :)
Two of my friends are going Q2 from Rift S after trying mine now, as you say the image quality is just so much better!
Same. Sold my rift s for a quest 2, just stunning headset for the price.
How long is the battery life on the Q2 when sim racing. Would it last a 3hr + stint?
@@MrDazTroyer Well if your using the link which i think you should, then it seems to keep it charged up, but not sure how long it is without the link.
Hmm really strange. Maybe your PC is not good? Graphic card? I dont own any of them, but when i check more deep graphic compare for Wolking Dead(thats game what i interested about) graphis is like day to night. Rift had all textures in tutorial for bags on zombies head. And gore efects when you shot in head of zombies.
Love the new Link update. Been doing some Dirt Rally 2 yesterday for ~2h and it was just simply amazing. Sharp, smooth, comfortable... I was actually going to do some testing but forgot everything and just enjoyed some rally racing :D
I think Oculus Quest 2 is V23 and Oculus PC Software is V24? I could be wrong
@@craigsommerville3863 yes you're right! My mistake 'D
Couldn't agree more!
I just got a Quest 2.. it's simply amazing in Assetto Corsa Competizione!
Really enjoy your reviews Karl. I like how you use a lot of personal impressions without setting anything in stone. ie your note about I'm sure theres latency if you have the right equipment. You get to the point and touch on the things I'm really looking for. Keep it up.
I appreciate that!
I love the quick Quest 2 review! No BS! Oh and those speakers holy crap!
lol Cheers mate! :)
Great to see Karl - I've been using the Q2 with Racerooom and have been happy with the quality so looking forward to seeing what it's like since the update
Enjoy!
You convinced me. This will be my first go in vr. A present to myself in the new year when santa sorts everyone else out. Great vid.
Go for it. Had mine about a month and love it despite not having a decent enough PC to make full use of it. Can't think of any other device that's impressed me so much and I've been gaming for 30+ years on and off.
Hope you enjoy it mate! :)
You won't regret it!
Now you will be ruined for flat screen racing :p
got mine for week now, its great. also dont understand complains from people about the inbuild phones, they got great sound i think.
Lovely, straight to the point, cheers Karl.👌
No worries 😃
Another great video Karl. I suspect you have finally persuaded me to take the plunge and try VR - I'm a big AC fan. Keep up the good work!
For the price you can't go wrong be it standalone VR or for Sim Racing now! :)
You won’t regret it. I was on triples until the q2 dropped. My first vr experience. It’s a game changer.
VR and sim racing has pretty much made me NOT want a little sports car anymore. Im just going to build a kick Ass motion rig instead and save a bundle and have way more fun..........serious
Oculus Quest 2 ahh i bought one today then seen your other review and was gutted i bought the wrong one :( im now so glad i found your final review of this :D thank you for the vids you do Karl i very highly rate them keep up the good work buddy .
Thanks mate, doing my best! :)
Just discovered your channel last week. . You seem like a really honest and aimable guy and your video's are very informative. Keep it up!
I appreciate that!
That's everything I needed to know to decide wether to buy one or not, thanks.
It really is the best bang, not only for your bucks but in general, hands down
I just found your channel. You seem genuinely enthusiastic and honest, so I'll stay and watch a few more. Subbed.
Cheers mate! 🙂
Karl you`ve been doing great job, always love watching your honest and detailed reviews! Keep it going mate. You have my like and sub.
Much appreciated!
Just your down to earth review, that is why your channel is growing so well, keep it up. From South Africa
Thanks mate! :)
Thanks sooo much i canceled my oculus rift order and got the quest 2. I was worried about latency as an iracer player
Great review ! You also gave the information I wanted to hear about latency over Link. Great content ! Subbed
Thanks for the sub!
dude you need more subs, you sum up shit quick and simple.
Found your videos a week or so ago and I really like your style 'geezer at his desk'. Love the fact you are tech savvy and you clearly love VR, keep it up :)
Awesome, thank you!
Karl, thank you. I find you such a knowledgeable en likeable guy. Love watching your vids.
I appreciate that!
Yuuup! Been using the Quest 2 for a while for sim racing. Feels great, can be a bit of a pain to setup though.
Solid review and I'm going to pick one up. Planning to use it for iRacing and flight sim. Thanks.
I can agree with Karl on this 100%, i was sceptical at first when i recieved my quest 2. Link was not out of beta yet and it did not perform in Sim racing the way we need it to. But after the update i knew within a minute that it was everything they promised performance wise. I can really recommend this as a pcvr headset, at least thats the only thing i intend to use it for. Thanks for the nice videos Karl, it really helped me choosing between rift S(which i bought initially and returned it because 80hz and the screen door made me feel sick) and quest 2, im sooo glad i traded it in.
Excellent mate, glad you're happy! :)
Thanks so much for the info Karl. Pre-ordered the G2 and like many others, still waiting. I’m relatively new to VR and sim racing. Yesterday I picked up the Q2 and can’t wait to try it! Thanks again bro 😎
Welcome aboard!
Hello The Quest 2 works great ? or would you prefer the Valve index or the varjo aero I do Iracing which would you recommend thanks.
If you can afford a Varjo then no question that would be the best VR experience right now, Vale Index is now very old with low resolution and overall poor image quality (by todays standards) I would not recommend that, the Quest 2 is an all in one and compromises in both comfort and LCD panel quality.
You’ve convinced me now to get one. Can’t wait.
Just remember the add ins you'll need if you want to make this a main headset. Out of the box it feels like a brick strapped to your face and those options are not getting cheaper. Only an fyi.
They keep updating their software. And with third party support accessories you can end up with a really comfortable strap, massive playing time with battery, good headphones, fully protecting the headset and controllers and getting wireless for half the price of a valve index , and a quarter of that of a new Pimax
I have also 256 gb storage for standalone on my quest 2. I have zero lag with virtual desktop, with a 5 ghz connection.😁
Let quests " competition" lol do all the above and at a similar cost to the $1000 or better Nz I spent purchasing including tricking out my quest in every aspect.😆
Great to hear you are enjoying it, I have been loving the link update as well, even if I did get it over a week after others haha.
The refresh update has helped with motion sickness for me along with the increased visuals allow me to tell if the dot in front of me is friendly or not in combat flight sims. With performance like this I can see why they started to treat the rift s like the redheaded stepchild. I have noticed according to steam vr I get the better latency performance when plugged into the gpu type-c compared to the other ports 4-6 ms vs 11ish, my laptop also has similar latency to the other ports as well.
The new performance hit is certainly noticeable though haha, guess its good the new generation gpu's are having a big leap in performance and I may need to look into getting one.
I'm also using my GPU's USB C port, it makes sense as the GPU is doing the encoding.
But yeah this high res really does need some power to run at high settings.
What PC spec are you running? Im thinking of Q2 link for IL2 BOS combat flight sim but am limited to i7-8700, RTX2070 and 16GB RAM. Worried about latency and performance (and sickness), compared with Rift S instead maybe? Any help appreciated
@@biffa2557 I have a 9900k and 2080ti, I have not tried Il2 yet since my flight stuff is not available due to us moving I have mostly tested in warthunder. I don't think you will have issue with latency but performance wise you may need to drop some graphics settings down due to rendering the higher resolution. The quest 2 has a higher resolution and refresh rate then the Rift S, so IMO it is now better than a Rift S on paper, but I don't have one to compare it to only a Rift CV1.
As far as motion sickness goes, all I can say is take it slow and don't force yourself. Some people are fine right away others like myself are not haha. Flying in vr is awesome fighting while flying in vr is even more fun but Idk if it is competitive yet against head tracking.
Also don't forget about all the other vr experience's that are not sim related, those alone make it a great purchase imo. Hope this was helpful, I have been enjoying mine for wireless vr, sim racing, sim flying, and space combat.
@@lostnwalmart9110 Thank you SO much for such a helpful and comprehensive reply. Really appreciate it.
Nice video. I have been waiting for your review.
Thank you ! Gonna be getting one after Christmas hopefully ! Also great content so I subscribed 😄
Great to hear mate. I have not tried V23 on ACC yet. I stopped playing it because the graphics were shit on my 5700xt and Oculus Link. Got the 6800 coming so that and V23 update should hopefully make it worth getting back into.
Haven't raced recently, not since the update, and I'm curious how ACC looks on my 3080
I made a Frankenquest 2 and it fixed almost all the problems I had with the quest. Comfort, sound, battery life, and I got a link cable.
Only just picked one up now retired my old hp 1440. Picked up a quest 2 off of amazon with a $100 gift voucher for $439 aud so really $339.
him: *zero preservable latency*
me: *kirby noises*
I got so worried watching your videos in the incorrect order but now this makes sense! i'm so excitedddddd
Hi Karl, having seen a lot of your videos I had to subscribe😊 very well made content. Take care
Thanks and welcome
Tyvm for the review.. thats what i was looking for... now i can buy away.. 👍🤣
Enjoy it!
Karl I purchased a Quest 2 and have watch LOADS of your sim and Quest 2 vids.... can you please do a Quest 2 in game settings guide. I CANNOT for the life of me get Project Cars 2 to looks worth a crap on my Quest 2 and thats with link cable and 1.5x render for that 1 to 1 ratio. Thanks
The audio is fine tbh there's nothing wrong with it at all, maybe you are used to super high quality expensive headphones that cost a ton but that doesn't make the quest 2 bad
@KarlGosling Since you like audio. I would recommend what I use. The HyperX Cloud Orbit S headphones. Seeing those Jamo speakers behind you. I know you completely understand the benefits of planar magnetic drivers. These things are basically Audeze mobius without bluetooth. These charge up and have enough battery to outlast any vr session I've thrown at them. The sound is incredible and immersive. Earpads could be a touch softer but I feel like they're at least as comfortable as having the quest 2 on your head, which isn't exactly a posh message situation is it?
Anyway, thanks for the review. But seriously, good deals on these cans right now. If you're an audiophile, id jump on these 100%. I love mine. Cheers
Thanks for the recommendation, I have an idea I'm about to try soon but the headphones need to be white, a certain size and use a certain type of fitment to the headband so I'm a little limited by what I can use butI will check them out! :0
Thanks Karl
The new update is fantastic and the difference I am finding on AMS2 is brilliant. You are also right the new updated link has spoilt my Virtual Desktop experience. I started playing HL Alyx thru VD after spending a couple of hours racing and thought there was something wrong. Then realized there was no problem just a drop in fidelity compared to link.
My experience exactly!
Pleased to hear you mention that the latency seems to be improved - that was putting me off but now I’m seriously tempted by the Quest 2. How is the lag compared to other wired headsets? Obviously for sim racing reaction time is critical. How do your lap times compare with link cable vs VD or against a native wired headset such as Rift S? I could cope with a slight drop in quality on a native wired headset but any latency or lag would trouble me. Any opinions or experience with this? Thanks
I can't notice any difference between link a wired PCVR headset (Rift and Rift S), my lap times are not consistent enough to compare mate! lol VD looks awful for sim racing so I just don't use it and the latency was really bad, it's now massively improved in the last two days with an update though.
@@KarlGosling That’s great - lag / latency was my final reservation with the Quest 2 over the Rift S or something more expensive but I’m convinced now. Quality straightforward videos, to the point and very clear. Cheers.
still to this day my oculus with the link cable and without it randomly ill be in the car and it will disconnect randomly and then messes up and goes black
still using rift cv1 with 4 sensor all the wires, pcie usb 3 quad channel,vr face cover the big box cost me 100$ dont wanna sell everything for better resolution,and loosing all the money i spent on it,even in 2021 still great headset perfect tracking perfect controller,perfect audio,i will upgrade when it gonna be, big jump in vr experience revolution like
The difference in resolution is absolutely massive though. Even going from Quest 1 to Quest 2 is huge.
Great 👍 this video made me purchase a unit and I'm very happy about it 😀
Enjoy it
Just found your channel and would like to it was a great clear no nonsense review. May I ask about battery life? When using the link cable is this no longer a factor. I have read battery life of 2 to 3 hours? No good if I wanted to do an evenings racing in ACC Or flying / tank driving in IL2 Great Battles?
Using link will extend battery life but not keep it 100% as USB cannot supply enough power, using a charger or external battery pack will keep it 100% though.
@@KarlGosling Really enjoying your honest reviews now I have found your channel by the way. I had connection issues with my original Rift and changed to powered usb3 hub. Would that help?
i currently have a rift s and 5600x + 6700xt 32gb 3200mhz ram. Will I be fine going to a quest 2 for dirt rally 2.0? I played on a modified high settings and kept a solid 80fps(i believe that was the cap on the rift)?
Looking at the games releases, the standalone library kinda sucks outside of Resident Evil 4 ,Walking Dead and Super Hot (both of which I already played on PCVR).
i mainly want to break free of the cable and get resident evil 4 and a few sideloaded games.
Going cable free is the biggest change I've experienced in VR, nothing better!
You will be ok on medium/high settings and render resolution but from what I understand the AMD video compression (this is what is used to stream the rendered visuals to the Q2) isn't the best, the Nvidia encoder is apparently much better.
Great vidoe Karl...do you think it would run on rtx 3060 and ryzen 3700x. My rift s just broke and thinking of getin one ?only used the rift s for sim racing.
It will run but not with the RR maxed out.
Thank you
Great video. I have the CV1, and I want to upgrade for the quest 2. This video convinced me. My games is more simracing, and beat saber, and a few games. My games is in steam, and I don't buy games in oculus store yet. You recomend the version of 64gb or 256gb. And you recomend the official link cable, or other cable more cheap is good? Thanks
Hey card, can you recommend a 3rd party link cables or should I buy the OG
Great help and honest reviews Karl, thanks.
Ordered a Quest 2 and it arrives tomorrow, a €39 USB-A to USB-C link cable the day after.
Coming from a CV-1 so a big step forward for me, i use it for iracing, Raceroom, rfactor, Dirt Rally 2.0 and DCS.
Little worried about Fb, but see how it goes.
Nice one mate! :)
I'm thinking of doing the same, but will the USB-A to USB-C link cable do the job though??
@@britishempires I'm using the cheap Anker cable and it's perfectly fine. Battery slowly goes down, but still lasts many hours, 5-6 easy.
@@britishempires Just a heads up, I was using a £35.00 USB-3 to USB-C from Amazon with great reviews up until the latest Q2 update when it stopped working and the Oculus software couldn't find it...might be coincidence but it was previously working fine. Returned it this morning and have ordered £89.00 Oculus Link Cable.
another high great vid! I’m commenting so the algorithm gives you the views you deserve
I appreciate it
Your quick update on the Quest 2 is about as concise and factual as it gets. Nice! 👍
Thanks! 👍
So what should I get??? Hp reverb G2 or this with the link cable? I sim race heavily and I want to play other regular games as well.
If wireless is important then Q2, otherwise G2 is best for sim racing but average (tracking and controllers) for other types of play.
Thanks for the detailed review Karl. I’m having trouble dialling in quest 2 and iracing settings. Can you create a video that details your settings both in oculus and iracing?
I don't have iRacing mate sorry.
@@KarlGosling ah no worries thanks Karl. Really enjoying the videos cheers
Very well done on this vid, informative straight to the info no frills all Good, 10/10 maybe see ya on the track:). Subbed
Nice video Karl.
Question should I go for new q2 for sim racing only or maybe try to find used hp reverb 1gen ? But im on Rx 5700xt not so good for rendering
Thx
The high res will kill your performance on either mate.
Will be interesting to see how you feel it compares to the G2 next week now that the link has been improved... Would also be good to see a performance comparison as while it's slightly lower resolution the compression of the stream adds overhead. Could be interesting to compare.
I'm actually really interested in this myself so it will be coming! :)
It's pretty damn good but upping the bit rate to get a decent image requires a beast of a machine my 3900x, 2080 is pretty much brought to it's knees, whereas running the Rift S I can still crank the ingame graphical settings up, like I said you need an even more powerful pc to run it at it's best than you'll need for a PCVR native headset! but damn it looks good it's 90% there but you are always going to be watching a video so it'll never get 100% for £300 it is impressive i'd recommend over a PCVR for people that want it for overall VR for sim racers though i'd say still go for a PCVR headset
ImmrChris, hey mate. Do tou think a RTX3070 is good enough for Q2, or better RiftS? 95% for racing sim.
@@ivanivanovici my 2080 ran it fine so yes no probs
... I know this is old, but seriously... like what in the hell did you expect with literally DOUBLE the total pixel count (≈7mil vs ≈3.5mil) and at a minimum a +10Hz higher refresh rate??? (90Hz vs 80Hz) O_o
Of fucking COURSE the Quest 2 was going to be significantly harder to drive than a Rift S!!! 🤦♂️
Recommending people get an across the board inferior headset just because "it's easier to drive at native resolution" is some fucking god tier backwards ass poisonous "advice" if I've ever heard any... Why? You can always turn settings & render resolution down to get more frames if needed, but you can never add more physical pixels to a screen that aren't already there... 😑
Anyways, I really, REALLY hope you didn't fuck over any of your friends into getting an obsolete as hell Rift S over a Quest 2 with this pile of utter horseshit "advice". 🤷♂️
@@Cooe. calm down watch that blood pressure this was over a year ago and from what I can remember I would still rather have a native display than the blocky pixelated image of the time its probably much better now but I moved on a long time ago and now have a G2 relax m8 always take advice with a pinch of salt ;)
Would love to know what your settings are. I recently picked up the Q2, and can't seem to get it to work good enough to use. Trying to play ACC and objects in the distance are so fuzzy that you can't read the signs etc. I'm on the verge of returning it :(. Using the link cable, 1080Ti with Ryzen 3950. Thanks in advance!
You will need to adjust the render resolution in the Oculus software ( I have video's on this), with your spec I would go for around 1.2 or 1.3.... But ultimately your 1080ti is not good enough to run it well.
Thank you sir! Unfortunately can't buy a better one with current supply constraints.
Love the vids man keep it up!
Thank you! 🙂
Got a Quest 2 on the way because of this video👍 .. I have dirt 2 and project cars 2 on steam - so do i just launch the games from there or do i need to run them through virtual desktop or something.?? A video on this would be great -Thanks.
Either VD or Link cable, Link gives the best experience for me.
Worth upgrading from rift s to quest 2 for sim racing and light vr gaming? Or should I skip and buy g2? Looking for more clarity.
Pc specs
3300x
16gb ram
1070
Tough one, that 1070 is going to struggle either way.
Thanks for the quite reply, I am planning on upgrading my gpu when I can get ahold of one. Probably 3070 or 3080
The quest is tempting at less then half the cost 🤔
As someone that uses his VR 95% of the time for only sim racing, the Quest 2 PCVR is not an overall step up visually from the Rift S for my rig - i5 8600K at 4.8GHz and 1080Ti. It's consistently less sharp and to get even close to looking as sharp as the RIft S (it never quite gets there) I'm losing 30-40% overhead and FPS becomes a major issue.
I've tested my link speed (get 2.5GBps), put the bitrate up manually and it's still not there. I've tried AMS2, Dirt Rally 2, rFactor 2 and ACC - all are the same and ACC is basically unplayable now at anything resembling an acceptable image quality. (It was always poor anyway and stuck permanently at 40FPS ASW in the Rift S - the overhead of the Quest 2 compression compensation kills it entirely).
You're clearly losing a lot of fidelity due to the compressed video over the link cable. The native image in the Quest 2 is pin sharp. It's immediately noticeable what you lose when you go PCVR mode. Even when I pushed the Quest 2 resolution to maximum in the Oculus software the improvements in image quality were minimal in the headset (and frame rate obviously tanked). Past a certain point on the Quest 2 resolution slider you stop seeing image quality improvements in the headset - that indicates a bottleneck being hit). If I go from say 1.5 to 2.0 SS with the Rift S the image quality leaps up in sharpness (and the frame rate tanks). The link cable approach is gimping the headset from what I can tell?
Apparently the 2000 series and above Nvidia cards use a better video compression encoder which may give different results but on my 1080Ti and well configured rig, the Quest 2 is not as good visually as the Rift S on the PC for sim racing. To note - with Half Life Alyx the 2 were largely the same visually. With Oculus home virtual desktop (not the wireless virtual desktop app) the Quest 2 text sharpness on say a web browser or discord, was sharper. This comment is focussed on running racing sims.
I love the Quest 2 - it's amazing value and stunning what they have managed to achieve as a "VR console on your head" in such a light package. But better than the Rift S visually in sim racing for the same computing power output - it's a noticeable step backwards.
This wasn't a rash decision. Spent 10hrs trying to make it my new universal headset. The Rift S is back connected to the PC now. I'd more than welcome a nugget of knowledge that tells me I'm wrong or how to improve the Quest 2 PCVR for sim racing, apart from buying a new GPU :)
I have both a 1080ti and a 2080 so perhaps I'll do some back to back testing if I get time, interesting results though mate thank you!
@@KarlGosling Thanks for the reply Karl.
I was reading up on video compression codecs and came upon an article talking about advances in them, specifically something called AV1 video compression. Some further digging still indicated it was only on newer 2000 and above NVidia GPU's however I also found contradictory information that it's since been added for older GPU's too - ie my 1080Ti's and others (info direct from Nvidia development site).
The one piece of the puzzle unique to all articles was the requirement for Windows 10 Version 1909. Guess who doesn't update windows often (about once a year) and is still on Version 1709. Meeee!
I'm stubbornly resistant to Windows updates unless they are required lol. 😁
Will let you know the results.
Unfortunately the Windows update didn't help to get my sims looking better at all or without a massive performance hit. Seems the Rift S is just the optimal headset for my rig. I think if you have a lot more power you might fare a bit better and I probably need to spend more time configuring a specific game for the specific headset (I setup the CV1 and Rift S very differently to get the best image possible with each) but after 14hrs total now testing I throw in the towel.
One new thing in the Quest 2 I noticed tonight was always worse was peripheral motion; it was juddery where the Rift S was smooth. Particularly noticeable on AMS2 at Bathurst with all the lettering on the billoards. both vertical and horizontal motion of the letters seemed to judder badly and lost the fluidity the Rift S has (this was with otherwise identical overhead readings on the Debug tool so it wasn't me running out of juice). This happened at both 80 and 40FPS with ASW active.
What I will be using it for on the PC is watching films. Maxing out the resolution slider they look great as does simply using the desktop which has sharp lettering on any window.
I'd still be interested to see if at the same settings you see any difference from the 1080Ti to the 2080 Karl, see if there is something to this reported new compression codec with the 2000 and newer NVidia cards?
Otherwise Quest 2 for fantastic wireless gaming action and maybe re-visit sim racing once I get my next major CPU/GPU upgrades. Ryzen 5600X and RTX3080 targetted down the line :)
Noticed this article has a horizontal slider and more info than I thought. You can see the 1080 doesn't have HEVC B Frame Support and the 2000 does. Whether this is important for Oculus link image quality is above my pay grade :)
developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new
Karl message from hp again yesterday on line. Sorry for headset delays for pre orders. Apparently these headsets were being sold at retailers in far east markets. Will be lucky to receive these before xmas. I'm based in Canada ordered mine in mid August.
Great video, thanks. Can I ask a question please? Did you increase the bandwidth using Oculus debug tool? Or did you try it on the default values?
All at default bar setting the refresh rate to 90hz and resolution to as close to native as you can in the normal Oculus software, didn't adjust anything in debug tool.
Loving your work Karl! Can't fund a Quest 2 atm as just ordered a GT Omega setup using your link :)
Excellent have fun mate! :)
Hi Karl, have you done a video on downloading quest2 tray tool and if not do you have a link? I’m a novice and am struggling to find it simplified!. Thanks.
Would love to know what your settings were in the oculus app. I got 90hz going but im confused what resolution setting I should aim for
As high as your PC will allow.
How do you determine if you’ve reached your PC’s limit?
Wow them Jamo 256’s!! Legendary speakers! Definitely upset my neighbours with them back in the day!
There's a pair of 365's out of shot too! 🙂
Hey Karl, thanks for the detailed review, and for the Jamo porn. I currently own a Rift S and I love it. The only things I don't like are the audio (which I've fixed with a bit of 3D printing and a pair of HD25s) and the sharpness of things in the distance in Assetto Corsa (things are much sharper in iRacing but I tend to spend most of my time in AC).
Would you recommend the Quest 2 as an upgrade to the Rift S for sim racing? I only use VR for sim racing so I'd be running it wired 100% of the time, and all I'm hoping for is an increase in sharpness and overall visual quality.
Is it worth coughing up the dough for the Quest 2 and link cable over the Rift S, in your opinion? Or stick with the Rift S (which I still love every time I strap it to my massive head) until the next gen of graphics cards and VR headsets become available?
Keep up the sterling work with the video reviews please, they really are top notch. No waffle, no horseshit, just honest, detailed opinions. High five!
If you have a PC that can run a Q2 well then yes it is a big improvement in sharpness... but that means a RTX3080/90 and comparable CPU.
@@KarlGosling hey Karl, I watched your video and read the comments. I think about to buy a quest 2. I have a i5 11600k / rtx 3060ti 8gb / 16gb ddr4 3600 combo. I play only racing Sims like ac/acc/ams2/rf2/kartkraft/raceroom/live for speed. What's your opinion, rtx 3060ti enough for this?
You still approve of the Q2 a year later? Im considering it or the Reverb G2, having a hard time deciding. I already have an odyssey plus, just looking for something better... and the wireless of the quest 2 has me interested, but I'm concerned about latency and image quality when doing stuff wirelessly, since wireless is what's swaying me towards the Q2.
For an all round headset yes, if you only sim race then the G2 is a little better both for comfort and image quality.
hi dude, commented on your wrong video, so ill post here, i got the update and enabled 90hz and set res 1.1x, i noticed steam vr defaults to 1856*1872, do we need to bump this up also manually ? and do we still need to up the bitrate and texture size from the oculus debug tool ? thank you very much
Watch tonight's video mate, i address this exact question! :)
@@KarlGosling ohh did not see you uploaded new one, thanks a million m8
Reverb G2 owners are not going to be too happy knowing all this. G2 will still look better but it doesn't sound like the difference will be that big.
Hopefully I'll find out on the 1st! :)
Thanks man. I’m returning my rift s and getting this. I was ok with the rift s but I have an IPD of 70 and I think this might be more comfortable
I know this is old, but if you're looking for a more accurate IPD setting than 68mm/setting 3, try either ↓
#1 Putting in the glasses spacer (although this will reduce the FOV a bit, though that might be a positive if seeing the display edges happens to bug you).
Or
#2. Putting something like a piece of styrofoam in-between the lenses to put constant gentle outwards pressure on them. This will "unlock" a "hidden" ≈70mm IPD setting (yes, the rendered "display positions" actually adjust to match this "extra setting" [this is also the case for any "in-between settings" in the middle of the hard locked positions. In fact the software seems to update on a mm by mm basis, just like on Quest 1]).
And if you combine both #1 AND #2 you can push the Quest 2 up to a practical IPD setting of nearly ≈72mm, which is a pretty significant step up from the 68mm "normal" maximum!
Excellent job Karl, Thank You :)
You are very welcome
Hey Karl, quick question about your comment on the increased PC overhead. Do you think that is only because of the bump on the refresh rate and resolution? Or there is a lot of overhead on the compression process when compared to a PCVR headset for example? Thanks
All of the above mate, takes it's toll.
@@KarlGosling Thanks mate, just bought one :)
There's not much to say than there's not already said m8. So.. Thank you for this!
Have a good day.
Thanks, you too!
Hi Karl, another very clear and to the point video. Quick question, now Oculus 2 is out of beta, can you get ACC to work properly? I still can’t get it playable without turning the settings down so much it’s not worth it
I've not tried it, but ACC VR support is terrible and doesn't run well at all.
Plus with the resolution of the Q2 you need a very powerful PC to run it.
@@KarlGosling I should have looked into that before buying it! What game would you say has the best VR graphics for Sim Racing?
I’m using it on ACC and the recent updates have transformed it into the one of the best looking
@@finndog883 hi mate. Did you have to turn down any of the in game settings? I’m running a Geforce RTX 2070 super, and Ryzen 5 3600. So think PC should cope
@@stuartjones7454 no not a great deal and I’m running a 1080 so you should be fine. I hadn’t played it for a while as it as so bad but it really is good now once you can get it running okay. On debug tool I have force mipmap off, spacewarp disabled, distortion low, width 3664, 200. In game res 83, vr pixel 100, AA high. See how it runs with medium vr settings to start with then start turning everything up 👍
Completely agree! It’s great now. You should consider an elite strap too
I have one! :)
Thank you, great review! Currently I use Samsung O+ and really thinking regarding Quest 2. Cheers from Russia!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this update, mine will be here Tuesday. Coming from a CV1 I'm pretty stoked to play in higher rez :)
Mate it's a big leap in clarity!
I have the oculus rift cv1 with a rtx 2060 so I’m thinking to buy this, would this vr be better? Please help
Your 2060 is not powerful enough to run a Q2 well mate, upgrade your GPU first.
Finally something good enough to purchase. WARNING THO: if you have an oculus account, log in with that FIRST on setup, otherwise your FB will make a new account and you'll be stuck with that and have none of your purchases. Still no resolution from Oculus/FB support with my account issues. Once I'm good (or make another FB), I probably won't need to upgrade for another 2 years. Would still recommend since the quality is outstanding
Thats a good tip!
After owning the CV1, Samsung Oddyssy Plus, Rift S and HP Reverb G1, the Quest 2 sits inbetween the Rift S and G1 for clarity at default res.
When running the Quest 2 at 1.5x resolution, 500mb bandwidth in OTT with a 10gbps type C to type C link cable, connection speed is 2.6Gbps.
This pretty much matches a HP Reverb G1 for clarity.
Don't forget that 1.5 in ODT may well be undersampling if you're at default in the Oculus software, 1.7x is 1:1 native res using the Oculus slider.
@@KarlGosling Using the resolution slider in the Oculus software is what I mean (not in ODT) Only using ODT to up the bandwidth. Which gives a res of 4848x2448 at 1.5x - This is when it is more comparable to the G1 for clarity.
Mate. Thinking about getting one.
Getting a new gfx card later. I will need to lower the resolution. What would you say it would look like compared to the CV1 if running at similar resolution? My CV1 screen door is doing my head in!
There's basically no screen door effect and it will be much sharper :)
@@KarlGosling Thanks! I cannot wait!
What’s the spec of your pc please? I’m curious as to how much sacrifice I’ll need to make in visual over a monitor. I’m running a 2080ti , 10900 on a 1440 currently.
2080 3800X 32GB RAM.
Thing is mate you gain so much in immersion, actually being in the car gives you a much better feel for everything... well worth a little sacrifice in sharpness I think.
@@KarlGosling Cheers Karl. I’m looking forward to it
Karl , are you using MSAA with Assetto? I'm not having that pin sharp effect , having 2070s , should be similar to your 2080. Mind sharing settings?
No it's off, settings are all on medium/low I think mate, if it's not pin sharp it probably because your rendering resolution is low in the Oculus software.
@@KarlGosling answered on your other video, it's 1.7x in oculus and 1.3ss in oculus tray tool. Maybe i just have unreal expectations and a slightly "slower" gpu. Btw clouds in assetto are fps killers
@@KarlGosling nah it's 1.7x in oculus , and depending of the game i adjust in OTT. Maybe i had higher expectations regarding the visual. Near is awesome , little bit in the distance you can see jaggies appear, without MSAA it's sharp but with jagged edges, and MSAA drops performance and blurs entire thing but no jaggies. So i gues that's that.
Karl, what GPU do you think is the minimum I would need for iRacing? Thanks and great videos :)
I don't play iRacing mate so I couldn't honestly say sorry!
@@KarlGosling not to worry thanks - how about ACC?
At this point, since you are saying it's a huge leap, would you suggest it as an upgrade to the CV1?
If you don't mind LCD blacks (grey), poor audio and inside out tracking then yes definitely! The visual clarity and the ability to have a good wireless play experience is amazing! :)
@@KarlGosling For audio I'm using my own headphones so it's not really an issue. My main problem with the CV1 is that even though I play with multisampling on 1.4 - 1.5 a lot of times I can't see upcoming turns even if I know they are there.
hi pal just subscribed realy good review just orderd mine hopfully comes today what games would u recomend for me wife and is the cable that it comes with of to link to your pc if its close enough
Charging cable is too short mate.
Hey Karl, I have a gtx1080, without upgrading do you believe I will have a better all around sim racing experience with Quest2 or Rift S ? My guess is Rift S because of the lower resolution, and because the link conversion is a bit taxing on the gpu.
Hmm I think it's a very difficult one to call, you certainly won't be able to run the Q2 at it's native resolution so a tricky one to decide upon... I think you'd need to try both and decide for yourself.
Hi just seen your updated comment below so all good, as I was going to comment to your video. I’ve just got my quest 2 and I’m using it wirelessly on virtual desktop and see no latency and amazing quality! So the update must be the key.
It reduces latency by about 40% so now almost unnoticeable! :)
Hey Karl what about this vs using a monitor or three? What do you prefer
VR No contest.
Hey Karl,
Did you run into any audio issues with your Quest 2 on Link? I can't figure out why I am getting really stuttery audio. Whether it's an Oculus game or SteamVR game, I'm getting really bad audio stuttering. The video signal appears to be fine, but the audio is cutting in and out constantly.
Thanks
The only time I have experienced this was when I was using a USB 2 port or a poor quality link cable.
If you don't mind me asking, how fast are you as a driver? I'm thinking about getting a Quest 2, but I'm worried that the latency might be an issue for the faster drivers, while it might not be for someone who is not as fast.
Not that fast mate! Lol But I'm not feeling any latency and I'm very sensitive to that.