Note to Scott: The Liberal Party of yore is dead. It was a partnership of the two language groups that rotated the top office, and who always had a deputy leader from the other side. There was more to it than that, but Pierre felt he didn't need that because he was fluent in both languages. The current path has lost this function. Now it is only a group of opportunists who think they know how to save the world.
Thank you for raising the Liberal tradition of alternating anglophone and francophone leadership. Since Wilfrid Laurier in 1887, every permanent leader has conformed to that pattern. Joly and Champagne would be unwise to run this time. LeBlanc already made the right choice.
Scott knows a lot about politics, but his understanding of Pollievre's interview with Peterson is ridiculous. More politicians should do long-form interviews like this; we'd all be much better off. Also, Jordan doesn't seem to realize that lots of women like Peterson and agree with him.
More long form interviews I agree, although I thought the Peterson one was really weak there was a lot of one line explanations given which is more like short TV interviews and other then that not much was said. I haven't seen many of Peterson's interviews but he doesn't seem great at them. For what it's worth I think someone like Joe Rogan is much better at them in that long format then Peterson, but that's more a hang out and talk show then an interview.
The last thing we need is for our politicians to become comfortable using American propaganda services.. a half hour of that interview was just for subscribers. At some point this guy is going to become PM for everyone.. is he ever going to act like it?
Excellent program, the algorithm must have trouble dealing with your contrasting viewpoints which is sorely needed. I dislike the Liberals to the extreme and am a conservative voter however I liked to be challenged in my convictions. When smart people talk, even though they are from the "opposing side", something can be learned. Even though there is strong difference in views amongst the panelists they show enough respect to let the others talk. The ribbing keeps it light and civilized. Keep up the good work.
...and in the end, JT showed us all how small he is compared to his Daddy...and leaves the country as Jordan, and all of you have said...rudderless, broke, at a time of crisis . APPALLING!
Who do you think would actually sit down and watch an hour and half interview with those two? The target demographic there is young men, mostly white, and it don't think it even encompasses all, or a majority, of that demographic. Just because all the salty bros in this comment section adore him doesnt mean the wider populace does.
Based on the comments section, the audience of this podcast is not as narrow as a Jordan Peterson podcast. If I want to hear about clinical psychology I’ll consider listening to Jordan. But he has zero expertise when it comes to social issues and politics; it’s just his opinion as a lay person on those topics. People who watch a lot of JP content share his deep disdain for wokeness and DEI.
@@allan6021 That's why Herle specifically said "I'm addressing the RUclips audience" before his comments on Peterson. Every comment section on this channel, and CTV, is full of right wing trolls and Peterson/Poilievre Stan's. Unfortunately they outnumber everyone else here and have convinced themselves that the majority of Canadian's are in lockstep with them. But apparently we're the ones in an echo chamber.
Scott says it was self-indulgent for Pierre to interview with Peterson? Hey Scott have you met our self indulgent PM? Guess not. So laughable to think that Liberals are the ones who should endorse who Conservatives should meet with or interview with. Liberals always know best. Don't they?
If the Liberal Party can appoint a Governor-General who is not bilingual, and who has shown no initiative to develop her language skills, why the “holier than thou” attitude to those who aspire to lead the party?
I have enjoyed many of these videos but when one of the panelists says he hates someone I’m gone. Yes, I’m talking about Jordan Peterson, not my favourite, but if main criticism is “hate” you don’t belong on the panel. Expand your vocabulary and talk about issues.
It's the CURSE of politics. They use a lot stronger language than hate. Refer to Korys comments on the no name Liberal who says hes running. If you're going to clutch your pearls this isn't the right podcast for you.
What exactly is bad about having caucus choose the leader? That's the way Westminster style parliaments are intended to work! It's needed to balance power between the leader, the cabinet and backbenchers. Without it, the leader is under no obligation to persuade caucus members to support their policies, and it directly leads to increasing centralization of power in the PMO. This is exactly what's gone wrong with LPC politics.
Exactly. Our political system is so messed up because of our adoption of the American-style leadership contests. Parliamentary leaders need to be responsible to their caucuses, not party members who can't actually hold them accountable.
It might be strange, but I've upvoted all three previous posts. There are good arguments on both sides. Australia and New Zealand are caucus-only countries, but factionalism is rife and leaders can be replaced instantly. A while back, the Northern Territory Chief Minister was travelling overseas when his colleagues rolled him. The basic problem with caucus-only is that voters choose a party with a particular person as its leader, but then don't get that leadership. Also, why become a party member if membership does not have a vote in picking a leader?
Love Scott Reid drinking out of his kids hockey Gatorade bottle. Hope he’s got something strong in there to help forget about Trudeau(absolute disgrace to LPC) 😂
Kids Gatorade bottle? Idk about Scott but I buy those for myself, they are great for a water bottle at an at home desk. Probably the best of all the different water bottles I've tried.
@ he often speaks about spending a lot of time at hockey rinks with his children. I ment no harm and come in peace brother. Don’t get your knickers twisted
I cannot overstate how shocking and unacceptable it would be if the Liberals allowed non-Canadians to vote in this leadership race. It literally would mean that non-Canadians are choosing *the PM*. That is abhorrent and should shock the conscience of Canadians.
How would it be unacceptable when the total # of non-Canadians that vote is small and the people who win these leadership races usually win by a decent margin. It is also a rank ballot which is very hard to rig.😂😂
@ of course. But until that election is held we will have a new Liberal leader who is automatically the PM, and that person will have been selected by non-Canadians under the current rules of the party.
@@Sam19509 so you are okay with non-citizens selecting the PM. Just as long as it is a manageable amount of non-Canadians. Good to know. And if Elon did a membership drive for the Liberal leadership process and got a bunch of MAGA voters to sign up and pick their preferred candidate, would you feel okay about that?
Great show guys. You "lefties" really have a blind spot when it comes to Jordan Peterson. It's about learning about the candidate. You are all on a Podcast!
Nothing wrong with learning about a candidate or doing a long form interview. But Peterson is a divisive figure and particularly unappealing to women. Which, as Jordan pointed out, is a demographic the CPC have worked hard to address by softening Poilievres image. I think the blind spot is that folks who love Peterson are incapable of understanding that lots of people, I'd argue most, don't like him or haven't heard of him.
Jordan and Scott emotional reactions to Jordan Peterson just show how far left they are. I listened to whole podcast and felt that it was an interesting interview. They would prefer that biased CBC did all the political interviews, cause they reflect the accepted "truth" of the far left.
I think, like Herle said, he's just boring. Peterson is not an interesting figure and terrible interviewer. Poilievre did fine, but it was just two dudes who agree on everything talking.
@@stratford374 and not much of substance was said, and nothing I can think of that I haven't heard from him before. It would likely have been better if it was another show like Lex Freedman or Joe Rogan, but Peterson just didn't do a good job interviewing Poilievre getting him to say stuff in detail or new things, and would change the topic before that could happen.
Pure jealousy, nothing more. He’s accomplished inadvertently what these two have worked their lives to attain, political influence. To add insult to injury he’s a western based in Toronto. The bitter reactions are pure comedy
@@stratford374 Idiotic certainly applies to professional commentators like yourself. Interesting not so much, more like embarrassing. Bet you could sit here all day and type off your little comments. And for free. Ever think of getting a hobby ?
>Pierre is all short slogans and no serious ideas!! > how dare he talk about serious ideas for 90 mins!! I admire Kory, truly. His calm patience responding to the other three refusing to understand that people like long form podcasts WHILE ON A LONG FORM PODCAST?! Jordan P is the most prominant and influential Canadian media figure/speaker, I suggest geting over this fact and not balking with mouth agape "can you BELIEVE??" at the very idea of Pierre doing this
Why would anyone with any political instincts jump on the political equivalent of a hand grenade here? I would say nobody should run to replace Trudeau, and let him fall on the grenade himself, then step in and try and salvage the wreckage of the explosion in the next decade.
The disdain for the Peterson podcast from the left is much like Trump doing Rogan’s show. The left are so angry that they don’t have a single leader in the world that could get the kind of reach and traction as Pierre and Trump got. Which is why Pierre needs to do more. I sincerely hope to see Pierre on Rogan soon.
It's also only the online left. Most normie lefties would have no idea what the terminally online is screeching about. My wife is my normie gauge 35 university educated with a white collar job, she leans left, I mention Jordan Peterson and she has no idea who he is.
A Rogan show would be much more interesting, but the Peterson show was very uninteresting and I'd agree that it seemed to be that way because Peterson didn't do a good job interviewing him.
After yesterdays comments by Trump does it not seem imperative to recall Parliament, and call an election with Trudeau at the helm. With American in the window, Trudeau runs as captain Canada. This ensures all Canadians get a say in the direction of this country and Trudeau might do better than expected. Herles mind set is Liberal party over Canadians. His 30 percent of the vote seems far fetched unless he has months of data to back it up. He should come to the realization that this could be their Kim Campbell moment.
Was this episode recorded before the 'economic force' comment today? I almost always disagree with Brian Topp but his comments on going to an election, with the ballot question being USA Canada relations, seems prudent today. It seems that Liberals are putting Liberals first and not Canadians.
Omg no offense to Scott, but something wbout talking about Poilievre gets him fully unhinged. Did Polly Pocket want sole of that cultural clout by chilling with Peterson? Probably. Do the Libs et al chase theie own version of clout from legacy media outlets? Obvs...its clear that Scott would never critique a politician on the left for going on Canadaland or something, but diff rules for Pierre. Also its so irritating hearing him go on and on about how PP was probs a loser nerdy kid. I dont see that same smoke for JT as a kid, even though he had a silver spoon implanted right up his keester, travelled the world with his father, was exposed to all those cultures all his young life...and then decided to do blackface as a teen.... and as a teacher in his 30s. Look i dont like Trudeau, but whats good for the goose should he good for the gander. If Turdy can have narcissistic diatribe interviews, why cant PP?
Why the flip, do people rip on Joe Rogan….he is hyper liberal….is it because he is into fitness and hunting? Or that he is a masculine man? Please, I really don’t get these Canadian pundits living in their little bubbles and why they hate Joe Rogan….someone please explain.
I think Herle is dead wrong about the importance of this race. Whoever the leader is will walk into a woodchipper, and if the new caucus can fit into a minivan then whoever the next Liberal leader is, they have maximum room to break from Trudeau on whatever they want. Seat counts between ~40 and ~7 just aren't that consequential, to my eye. It's the difference between official party status, but if you're leaning on public money to fund your revival then you need to reform your fundraising.
(EDIT: I will give Berle credit for the point he makes re: Turner in '84.....to my point below, the Liberals may need to accept that someone will come in and actually say "nah, I'm *not* gonna defend the previous government, I'm the candidate that will trash that record if I have to." And if they have a problem with it, that candidate will have to say "Do you want to be right or do you want to win?") The panel's dismissal of Frank Baylis shows the Laurentian-bubble problem the pundits are dealing with right now. A--- They think this guy is a nobody, so a nobody he must be, B-- they can't keep their logic straight. (Full disclosure: I know next to nothing about Frank Baylis and have no idea if he'd be remotely competent). So this guy's "a total nobody" and not worth dignifying but also we need to narrow the pool by putting in an entry fee that only nobodies like this guy can afford. So which do you want, exactly? Also, a total nobody is probably what the Liberal Party needs right now. The brand is more toxic than it's ever been...it may take someone you've absolutely never heard of (thus with less/no baggage) to rescue it.
Frank Bayliss is a former Liberal MP. Trudeau gave him 237 million for PPE during the pandemic. Bayliss contracted the PPE production out to another company. A warehouse full if this PPE was found after the pandemic. Shades of Arrive-Cam.
So much for listening to David's 'hey you's'. I.e. only serious Liberal leadership contenders should throw their hats in the ring. Chandra Arya is running apparently. Come on! Hedy Fry would probably be a more credible candidate. Anyway, Herle is surely correct. In addition to Baylis and Arya, other rumored contenders like Wilkinson, Steve Mackinnon, and Karina Gould (she may be a very good leadership contender in the future) should also sit this one out and get behind Freeland or Carney or someone like that.....PM Chandra Arya...lol
The awards for the best comments of 2024 by these three well known Stooges..plus Shemp: "Fucked if I know!" SR "Dont call me Gandalf." H "Bit of a whimper?" J "No matter what they say about us..we'll still be sleeping on pillowcases full of cash."
A long form podcast, as is this one, is a great format but not if the guest is not being challenged. The Herle Burle podcast offers differing opinions in a mature, non-aggressive debate, even if it can sometimes be a bit of spin (just not as bad as it is on the panels on network tv that are much shorter format). I fondly remember the days of when Barbara Frum would hold no punches when interviewing her politician guests. A podcast that just lets somebody blather on without being challenged is not helpful to me as a voter.
Let’s not be too hasty on criticizing Mr. Peterson albeit his biggest crime is to have established a pretty strong foothold on an occupation that up until very recently has been monopolized (and abused) by “professional” interviewers. As I started to watch it, my -not Conservative- wife decided to watch as well. Her remarks were the likes of “I enjoyed it!”, “He asked good questions.” And “Pollievre is very different than how the media have portrayed him in the past.” She is a fair representation of that wide sweeping “average” voter and might just have gained the Conservative Party an extra vote. Political podacasts would do right to invite and engage with more that the know it all nerds such as myself.
The Liberal executive needs to speed things up. Have the candidates declared and then have them do a debate on exactly March 15. But instead of each of them attacking one another, they should all try to one up each other on what they would do different from JT. They call the debate the Ides of March, and one by one each of them...for the good of Rome!
this hour and a half is golden...you folks are amazing...thanks for letting us unwashed see how the sausage gets figured out!...2 weeks without you is too long...don't let it happen again!
I still love Carly Simon. She helped me survive my teen years. I'm now age 65. I like the manliness of Pierre Poilievre. I'm sick of feminine men. Compare Trudeau's evident weakness and tentative speech patterns to Pierre Poilievre's clarity and directness. I prefer to know where a person stands because then I know where I stand in relation to them.
Before I listen to any of this, I have been, and will continue to be, salty in this comments section. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate it, or that I'm not thankful for it. Happy New Year Herle, and cheers to all you Accursed.
Having the LPC change its rules on voting in leadership elections is not the right solution to the issue of foreign interference. There needs to be legislation to require voters in political leadership elections to be eligible to vote in Canadian federal elections. Australia has equivalent legislation, and it should be adopted here. I understand the desire to allow political parties to run their own affairs in their own way. But sometimes that can lead to outcomes which can damage interests of Canadians. LPC rules on leadership votes, and the constutional changes which made it impossible to rid themselves of their leader are good examples, and they should be prohibited by law.
God bless Kory for doing these and bringing clear eyed insight to this panel. Nice suit too!👍 Jordan simply lovely. I like that sweater. Scott seemed a little less insane this week...if you ignore his JP psychosis, which he should seek therapy for.
Scott has become insufferable and a caricature of himself. A real blight upon this pod. If you think Peterson has limited appeal, Scott's appeal is at the plank length level.
Shite episode all about politicians. Nothing about us Canadians. And they despise Poilievre & Peterson, it seems. But they love the left and want to raise their polling to 30%. Sad state of affaris. And yet ..
You know... the shows called Curse of Politics, right? Not Curse of Canadians? Right? And that the guys hoping the LIberals get to 30%... are former senior Liberal staffers? Have you watched this before?
@@stratford374 I hope that as Canadians, they would want what's best for Canada. Trudeau has trashed the historically honourable brand of the Liberal Party, soiled it in corruption and Cultural Revolution ideology. What's best for Canada would be a 1993-style defeat, followed by a merger with sensible and soft left elements of the NDP. The new force should be called the Progressives. The tankie left and Greens could combine into a small but CBC-loved party.
I really like this Podcast. Real. Scott is actually pretty cool. Never knew. I can not watch Peter Mansbrige's pod. Christy Is pretty sexy too. Best looking candidate. It definitely helps.
Your attacks on Poilievre are so terrible, not one nice thing to say about him. These a people are not good people the way talk an bout our people as if they know everything and we Canadians donort.
finally terneke said who bubbles is, what an arse. but he;s the genius who said if justin shows up with his pants on. i guese the far right business guy love that kind of childish bullshit, shesh he's trying to compete with beer and popcorn
Always the best political show in Canada. I appreciate every one of you. And Trump is a huge and massive threat and I only hope that PP can stop thinking about himself so much and his silly slogans and get serious about what is in front of this country.
Very interesting punditry. Looking forward to the world's quickest leadership race to see what happens. While I freely admit I am not a Conservative supporter I am going to call out Kory on something I found a little jarring. In discussing possible Liberal leader candidates he described Minister Champagne as "bubbles" instead of his name a number of times. He then described him, Champagne, as a short man wearing lifts, in a somewhat belittling manner. However l later in the pod someone referred to Poilievre's man girdle or whatever you call that thing he wears across his chest and Kory tried to insist those were real muscles. (I suppose the photo-shopped biceps are real too). I found his reaction a little bit like Poilievre himself. He can dish it out but can't take it. (Also I don't think Champagne needs thousands of dollars in a so called makeover!) BTW being short never seemed to bother Napolean. Just sayin'
It would be a terrible mistake for Singh to give the new Liberal leader breathing room. Of course he'll give the Liberal leader breathing room. October it is! 😑
Suggest Mark Carney For a year only. Criticism of Trudeau led Immigration surge as explicit/ open exploitation of TFW. Most serious climate emergency proposals are to be developed in the near future.
I wonder what would happen if we sent Green Jesus to combat Orange Jesus. They seem to be equally crazy and full of themselves. I'd like to see the clash
PP certainly needs to talk to a doctor but Peterson isn’t that person. I guess we all understand now that PP still thinks Maritimers are lazy and Quebecers should stop whining about French language.
@@maritimer3027 Andersen listens to the voices in his head and attributes those thoughts to the Opposition Leader. Literal derangement. Such a tragedy.
Finally! I do not think you understand how much I need/ look forward to your podcasts. These last two weeks have felt like an eternity!
Right? Especially delaying the extra day after the events of yesterday.
Note to Scott: The Liberal Party of yore is dead. It was a partnership of the two language groups that rotated the top office, and who always had a deputy leader from the other side. There was more to it than that, but Pierre felt he didn't need that because he was fluent in both languages. The current path has lost this function. Now it is only a group of opportunists who think they know how to save the world.
Thank you for raising the Liberal tradition of alternating anglophone and francophone leadership. Since Wilfrid Laurier in 1887, every permanent leader has conformed to that pattern. Joly and Champagne would be unwise to run this time. LeBlanc already made the right choice.
@@Jon.Morimoto But sadly, the two Trudeaus have ended those traditions. The classic Liberal Party is dead.
I hit thumbs up for the use of the word "yore"
Scott knows a lot about politics, but his understanding of Pollievre's interview with Peterson is ridiculous. More politicians should do long-form interviews like this; we'd all be much better off.
Also, Jordan doesn't seem to realize that lots of women like Peterson and agree with him.
Scott has a lot of derangement syndromes
More long form interviews I agree, although I thought the Peterson one was really weak there was a lot of one line explanations given which is more like short TV interviews and other then that not much was said. I haven't seen many of Peterson's interviews but he doesn't seem great at them. For what it's worth I think someone like Joe Rogan is much better at them in that long format then Peterson, but that's more a hang out and talk show then an interview.
I have yet to meet a single woman who likes Peterson. His audience is almost entirely young men, mostly white.
The last thing we need is for our politicians to become comfortable using American propaganda services.. a half hour of that interview was just for subscribers.
At some point this guy is going to become PM for everyone.. is he ever going to act like it?
@stratford374 probably your echo chamber, reality says otherwise, but believe whatever you want.
Excellent program, the algorithm must have trouble dealing with your contrasting viewpoints which is sorely needed. I dislike the Liberals to the extreme and am a conservative voter however I liked to be challenged in my convictions. When smart people talk, even though they are from the "opposing side", something can be learned. Even though there is strong difference in views amongst the panelists they show enough respect to let the others talk. The ribbing keeps it light and civilized. Keep up the good work.
...and in the end, JT showed us all how small he is compared to his Daddy...and leaves the country as Jordan, and all of you have said...rudderless, broke, at a time of crisis . APPALLING!
If Scott thinks the interview with Peterson was for a narrow audience, what the hell would he describe the audience of this podcast as? Infinitesimal?
Who do you think would actually sit down and watch an hour and half interview with those two?
The target demographic there is young men, mostly white, and it don't think it even encompasses all, or a majority, of that demographic.
Just because all the salty bros in this comment section adore him doesnt mean the wider populace does.
Based on the comments section, the audience of this podcast is not as narrow as a Jordan Peterson podcast. If I want to hear about clinical psychology I’ll consider listening to Jordan. But he has zero expertise when it comes to social issues and politics; it’s just his opinion as a lay person on those topics. People who watch a lot of JP content share his deep disdain for wokeness and DEI.
@@allan6021 That's why Herle specifically said "I'm addressing the RUclips audience" before his comments on Peterson. Every comment section on this channel, and CTV, is full of right wing trolls and Peterson/Poilievre Stan's.
Unfortunately they outnumber everyone else here and have convinced themselves that the majority of Canadian's are in lockstep with them. But apparently we're the ones in an echo chamber.
@@stratford374 sorry about us right wing trolls .... honk honk
😂😂😂😂😂
Long forum interviews like this program are the way to go. I’d much rather listen to you all on here than a 5min interview on CTV for example.
Pretty good chance that whoever wins the leadership becomes the shortest-serving PM in Canadian history, beating Charles Tupper
Good chance, or almost a certainty?
Do they stay prime minister during the campaign (as in it's counted as part of there time in office)?
Will they last longer than the lettuce 🥬? 😂
Scott says it was self-indulgent for Pierre to interview with Peterson? Hey Scott have you met our self indulgent PM? Guess not. So laughable to think that Liberals are the ones who should endorse who Conservatives should meet with or interview with. Liberals always know best. Don't they?
If the Liberal Party can appoint a Governor-General who is not bilingual, and who has shown no initiative to develop her language skills, why the “holier than thou” attitude to those who aspire to lead the party?
Good point
I have enjoyed many of these videos but when one of the panelists says he hates someone I’m gone. Yes, I’m talking about Jordan Peterson, not my favourite, but if main criticism is “hate” you don’t belong on the panel. Expand your vocabulary and talk about issues.
It's the CURSE of politics. They use a lot stronger language than hate.
Refer to Korys comments on the no name Liberal who says hes running. If you're going to clutch your pearls this isn't the right podcast for you.
@@stratford374 Are they truly tolerant of vulgar expressions? If so, Stratford GFY! 🙂
What exactly is bad about having caucus choose the leader? That's the way Westminster style parliaments are intended to work! It's needed to balance power between the leader, the cabinet and backbenchers. Without it, the leader is under no obligation to persuade caucus members to support their policies, and it directly leads to increasing centralization of power in the PMO. This is exactly what's gone wrong with LPC politics.
So you want N unelected PM. No to Carney, the carpetbagger.
Exactly. Our political system is so messed up because of our adoption of the American-style leadership contests. Parliamentary leaders need to be responsible to their caucuses, not party members who can't actually hold them accountable.
It might be strange, but I've upvoted all three previous posts. There are good arguments on both sides.
Australia and New Zealand are caucus-only countries, but factionalism is rife and leaders can be replaced instantly. A while back, the Northern Territory Chief Minister was travelling overseas when his colleagues rolled him. The basic problem with caucus-only is that voters choose a party with a particular person as its leader, but then don't get that leadership. Also, why become a party member if membership does not have a vote in picking a leader?
An hour thirty!!! Love ❤
Love Scott Reid drinking out of his kids hockey Gatorade bottle. Hope he’s got something strong in there to help forget about Trudeau(absolute disgrace to LPC) 😂
Kids Gatorade bottle? Idk about Scott but I buy those for myself, they are great for a water bottle at an at home desk. Probably the best of all the different water bottles I've tried.
@ he often speaks about spending a lot of time at hockey rinks with his children. I ment no harm and come in peace brother. Don’t get your knickers twisted
"Bubbles" is fucking killing me. What a delightful treat.
Liberal in BC will not vote for Christy Clark
The Petersen/Poilievre interview was great. Let’s see Sellout Singh do a long forum.
The Peterson interview was good. David and Scott are out of touch regarding him, and regarding long form interviews
I cannot overstate how shocking and unacceptable it would be if the Liberals allowed non-Canadians to vote in this leadership race. It literally would mean that non-Canadians are choosing *the PM*. That is abhorrent and should shock the conscience of Canadians.
@@goldenyogis The remedy for a party choosing bad candidates is to vote against that party in the next election.
How would it be unacceptable when the total # of non-Canadians that vote is small and the people who win these leadership races usually win by a decent margin. It is also a rank ballot which is very hard to rig.😂😂
@ of course. But until that election is held we will have a new Liberal leader who is automatically the PM, and that person will have been selected by non-Canadians under the current rules of the party.
@@goldenyogis no they won’t you make it sound like you know a lot of non-Canadians are gonna vote rofl.🤣
@@Sam19509 so you are okay with non-citizens selecting the PM. Just as long as it is a manageable amount of non-Canadians. Good to know. And if Elon did a membership drive for the Liberal leadership process and got a bunch of MAGA voters to sign up and pick their preferred candidate, would you feel okay about that?
Great show guys. You "lefties" really have a blind spot when it comes to Jordan Peterson. It's about learning about the candidate. You are all on a Podcast!
Nothing wrong with learning about a candidate or doing a long form interview. But Peterson is a divisive figure and particularly unappealing to women. Which, as Jordan pointed out, is a demographic the CPC have worked hard to address by softening Poilievres image.
I think the blind spot is that folks who love Peterson are incapable of understanding that lots of people, I'd argue most, don't like him or haven't heard of him.
@@stratford374name a canadian speaker with a larger viewership
Jordan and Scott emotional reactions to Jordan Peterson just show how far left they are. I listened to whole podcast and felt that it was an interesting interview. They would prefer that biased CBC did all the political interviews, cause they reflect the accepted "truth" of the far left.
I think, like Herle said, he's just boring. Peterson is not an interesting figure and terrible interviewer. Poilievre did fine, but it was just two dudes who agree on everything talking.
@@stratford374 and not much of substance was said, and nothing I can think of that I haven't heard from him before. It would likely have been better if it was another show like Lex Freedman or Joe Rogan, but Peterson just didn't do a good job interviewing Poilievre getting him to say stuff in detail or new things, and would change the topic before that could happen.
Pure jealousy, nothing more. He’s accomplished inadvertently what these two have worked their lives to attain, political influence. To add insult to injury he’s a western based in Toronto. The bitter reactions are pure comedy
@@tylerfraser2096 More politically influential than two guys who were senior staffers for a PM?
Interesting take. Idiotic, but interesting.
@@stratford374 Idiotic certainly applies to professional commentators like yourself. Interesting not so much, more like embarrassing. Bet you could sit here all day and type off your little comments. And for free. Ever think of getting a hobby ?
>Pierre is all short slogans and no serious ideas!!
> how dare he talk about serious ideas for 90 mins!!
I admire Kory, truly. His calm patience responding to the other three refusing to understand that people like long form podcasts WHILE ON A LONG FORM PODCAST?!
Jordan P is the most prominant and influential Canadian media figure/speaker, I suggest geting over this fact and not balking with mouth agape "can you BELIEVE??" at the very idea of Pierre doing this
So Pollievre is more vain than Justin Trudeau?
Why would anyone with any political instincts jump on the political equivalent of a hand grenade here? I would say nobody should run to replace Trudeau, and let him fall on the grenade himself, then step in and try and salvage the wreckage of the explosion in the next decade.
The disdain for the Peterson podcast from the left is much like Trump doing Rogan’s show. The left are so angry that they don’t have a single leader in the world that could get the kind of reach and traction as Pierre and Trump got. Which is why Pierre needs to do more. I sincerely hope to see Pierre on Rogan soon.
Amen. It’s like there is a list of people, mostly men as Scott points out….this “Manoshpere” that he hates….i can’t figure out this hate towards men.
@@peregrine2361 it’s full blown jealousy. The left knows people aren’t buying their BS from a bunch of beta soy boy messengers
It's also only the online left. Most normie lefties would have no idea what the terminally online is screeching about.
My wife is my normie gauge 35 university educated with a white collar job, she leans left, I mention Jordan Peterson and she has no idea who he is.
A Rogan show would be much more interesting, but the Peterson show was very uninteresting and I'd agree that it seemed to be that way because Peterson didn't do a good job interviewing him.
After yesterdays comments by Trump does it not seem imperative to recall Parliament, and call an election with Trudeau at the helm. With American in the window, Trudeau runs as captain Canada. This ensures all Canadians get a say in the direction of this country and Trudeau might do better than expected.
Herles mind set is Liberal party over Canadians. His 30 percent of the vote seems far fetched unless he has months of data to back it up. He should come to the realization that this could be their Kim Campbell moment.
Just back to say, David’s grand delusions of a 30% LPC look hilarious after todays batch of Polling on leadership contenders and the abacus poll. 😊
Thank God for Kory and Herle’s smoky cackle 😂
Happy New Year 🥳 gang!
PS. Follow the money in the LPC leadership race ….💵 🇨🇳 🇮🇷 🇮🇳 🇵🇸
OMG! Scott and Jordan have real issues.
Was this episode recorded before the 'economic force' comment today? I almost always disagree with Brian Topp but his comments on going to an election, with the ballot question being USA Canada relations, seems prudent today. It seems that Liberals are putting Liberals first and not Canadians.
Omg no offense to Scott, but something wbout talking about Poilievre gets him fully unhinged. Did Polly Pocket want sole of that cultural clout by chilling with Peterson? Probably. Do the Libs et al chase theie own version of clout from legacy media outlets? Obvs...its clear that Scott would never critique a politician on the left for going on Canadaland or something, but diff rules for Pierre.
Also its so irritating hearing him go on and on about how PP was probs a loser nerdy kid. I dont see that same smoke for JT as a kid, even though he had a silver spoon implanted right up his keester, travelled the world with his father, was exposed to all those cultures all his young life...and then decided to do blackface as a teen.... and as a teacher in his 30s. Look i dont like Trudeau, but whats good for the goose should he good for the gander. If Turdy can have narcissistic diatribe interviews, why cant PP?
Why the flip, do people rip on Joe Rogan….he is hyper liberal….is it because he is into fitness and hunting? Or that he is a masculine man? Please, I really don’t get these Canadian pundits living in their little bubbles and why they hate Joe Rogan….someone please explain.
Rogan is masculine the left has spent the last 10 years calling everything masculine toxic. I don't think it's much deeper than that to be honest.
I think Herle is dead wrong about the importance of this race. Whoever the leader is will walk into a woodchipper, and if the new caucus can fit into a minivan then whoever the next Liberal leader is, they have maximum room to break from Trudeau on whatever they want. Seat counts between ~40 and ~7 just aren't that consequential, to my eye. It's the difference between official party status, but if you're leaning on public money to fund your revival then you need to reform your fundraising.
The gatekeeping of the contest at the end is beyond ridiculous.
All this Jenni talk, when is she going to be on The Herle Burly!
2020, actually. "The morning after #ELXN2020 with David, Jenni, and Scott | The Herle Burly"
(EDIT: I will give Berle credit for the point he makes re: Turner in '84.....to my point below, the Liberals may need to accept that someone will come in and actually say "nah, I'm *not* gonna defend the previous government, I'm the candidate that will trash that record if I have to." And if they have a problem with it, that candidate will have to say "Do you want to be right or do you want to win?")
The panel's dismissal of Frank Baylis shows the Laurentian-bubble problem the pundits are dealing with right now. A--- They think this guy is a nobody, so a nobody he must be, B-- they can't keep their logic straight. (Full disclosure: I know next to nothing about Frank Baylis and have no idea if he'd be remotely competent).
So this guy's "a total nobody" and not worth dignifying but also we need to narrow the pool by putting in an entry fee that only nobodies like this guy can afford. So which do you want, exactly?
Also, a total nobody is probably what the Liberal Party needs right now. The brand is more toxic than it's ever been...it may take someone you've absolutely never heard of (thus with less/no baggage) to rescue it.
Frank Bayliss is a former Liberal MP. Trudeau gave him 237 million for PPE during the pandemic. Bayliss contracted the PPE production out to another company. A warehouse full if this PPE was found after the pandemic. Shades of Arrive-Cam.
the laughter, good medicine!
Stop talking over each other!!!
well worth the wait!!!
So much for listening to David's 'hey you's'. I.e. only serious Liberal leadership contenders should throw their hats in the ring. Chandra Arya is running apparently. Come on! Hedy Fry would probably be a more credible candidate. Anyway, Herle is surely correct. In addition to Baylis and Arya, other rumored contenders like Wilkinson, Steve Mackinnon, and Karina Gould (she may be a very good leadership contender in the future) should also sit this one out and get behind Freeland or Carney or someone like that.....PM Chandra Arya...lol
The awards for the best comments of 2024 by these three well known Stooges..plus Shemp:
"Fucked if I know!" SR
"Dont call me Gandalf." H
"Bit of a whimper?" J
"No matter what they say about us..we'll still be sleeping on pillowcases full of cash."
These poor panelites are so out of touch, and they don’t realize it.
A long form podcast, as is this one, is a great format but not if the guest is not being challenged. The Herle Burle podcast offers differing opinions in a mature, non-aggressive debate, even if it can sometimes be a bit of spin (just not as bad as it is on the panels on network tv that are much shorter format). I fondly remember the days of when Barbara Frum would hold no punches when interviewing her politician guests. A podcast that just lets somebody blather on without being challenged is not helpful to me as a voter.
Did Freeland write that letter herself? It was a bit too concise and direct. Don't overestimate her.
Chat Gpt? Everyone uses that shit now.
Let’s not be too hasty on criticizing Mr. Peterson albeit his biggest crime is to have established a pretty strong foothold on an occupation that up until very recently has been monopolized (and abused) by “professional” interviewers. As I started to watch it, my -not Conservative- wife decided to watch as well. Her remarks were the likes of “I enjoyed it!”, “He asked good questions.” And “Pollievre is very different than how the media have portrayed him in the past.” She is a fair representation of that wide sweeping “average” voter and might just have gained the Conservative Party an extra vote. Political podacasts would do right to invite and engage with more that the know it all nerds such as myself.
Hey Scott, good take on the "interview". You are so good at putting into words my exact sentiment.
The Liberal executive needs to speed things up. Have the candidates declared and then have them do a debate on exactly March 15. But instead of each of them attacking one another, they should all try to one up each other on what they would do different from JT.
They call the debate the Ides of March, and one by one each of them...for the good of Rome!
this hour and a half is golden...you folks are amazing...thanks for letting us unwashed see how the sausage gets figured out!...2 weeks without you is too long...don't let it happen again!
Cory by far on top of the game as it relates to Jordan Peterson interview the other panelist need to understand the platform.
I still love Carly Simon. She helped me survive my teen years. I'm now age 65. I like the manliness of Pierre Poilievre. I'm sick of feminine men. Compare Trudeau's evident weakness and tentative speech patterns to Pierre Poilievre's clarity and directness. I prefer to know where a person stands because then I know where I stand in relation to them.
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a session plan is what needed.
Two term limit needed
this Third World democracy is terrible
Before I listen to any of this, I have been, and will continue to be, salty in this comments section. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate it, or that I'm not thankful for it. Happy New Year Herle, and cheers to all you Accursed.
Having the LPC change its rules on voting in leadership elections is not the right solution to the issue of foreign interference. There needs to be legislation to require voters in political leadership elections to be eligible to vote in Canadian federal elections. Australia has equivalent legislation, and it should be adopted here.
I understand the desire to allow political parties to run their own affairs in their own way. But sometimes that can lead to outcomes which can damage interests of Canadians. LPC rules on leadership votes, and the constutional changes which made it impossible to rid themselves of their leader are good examples, and they should be prohibited by law.
God bless Kory for doing these and bringing clear eyed insight to this panel. Nice suit too!👍 Jordan simply lovely. I like that sweater. Scott seemed a little less insane this week...if you ignore his JP psychosis, which he should seek therapy for.
Wow advertising based on esg. Dumb positioning given the political climate in 2025.
Given the significance of this moment why are most comments about Jordan Petersen? Who cares about Jordan Petersen.
Blind hatred for Peterson because of how successful he is and he is not a "liberal/leftie"
Scott has become insufferable and a caricature of himself. A real blight upon this pod. If you think Peterson has limited appeal, Scott's appeal is at the plank length level.
I love you Herle but it's so hard to listen to you shill for Telus every week.
Shite episode all about politicians. Nothing about us Canadians. And they despise Poilievre & Peterson, it seems. But they love the left and want to raise their polling to 30%. Sad state of affaris. And yet ..
You know... the shows called Curse of Politics, right? Not Curse of Canadians? Right?
And that the guys hoping the LIberals get to 30%... are former senior Liberal staffers? Have you watched this before?
@@stratford374 I hope that as Canadians, they would want what's best for Canada. Trudeau has trashed the historically honourable brand of the Liberal Party, soiled it in corruption and Cultural Revolution ideology. What's best for Canada would be a 1993-style defeat, followed by a merger with sensible and soft left elements of the NDP. The new force should be called the Progressives. The tankie left and Greens could combine into a small but CBC-loved party.
Jordan Peterson is a public intellectual in the same way my toilet is a punch bowl.
Pollieve would have had too much time to skew the next leader if Trudeau resigned earlier
I think Christy Clark meets a lot of key criteria and would do well in an election - but she can’t win because she is not bilingual.
She is a corrupt slimeball
I really like this Podcast. Real. Scott is actually pretty cool. Never knew. I can not watch Peter Mansbrige's pod. Christy Is pretty sexy too. Best looking candidate. It definitely helps.
Your attacks on Poilievre are so terrible, not one nice thing to say about him. These a people are not good people the way talk an bout our people as if they know everything and we Canadians donort.
@gailfg2211 our people? Come out of the PP closet and smell the street boy!
Frankly, that suit is more trump chic. But I promise I won't let that distract me for too long.
Herle's final note: perfect. I hope they listen.
finally terneke said who bubbles is, what an arse. but he;s the genius who said if justin shows up with his pants on. i guese the far right business guy love that kind of childish bullshit, shesh he's trying to compete with beer and popcorn
Always the best political show in Canada. I appreciate every one of you. And Trump is a huge and massive threat and I only hope that PP can stop thinking about himself so much and his silly slogans and get serious about what is in front of this country.
Came here for the salty comments about Poilievre & Peterson and was not disappointed.
10/10 David, Peterson is lackluster and boring.
Of course you mean the panel. They come across salty and out of touch on Peterson
Loved this episode, great discussions and points of view covering the current situation. Thanks as always, cheers 🍻
Very interesting punditry. Looking forward to the world's quickest leadership race to see what happens.
While I freely admit I am not a Conservative supporter I am going to call out Kory on something I found a little jarring. In discussing possible Liberal leader candidates he described Minister Champagne as "bubbles" instead of his name a number of times. He then described him, Champagne, as a short man wearing lifts, in a somewhat belittling manner. However l later in the pod someone referred to Poilievre's man girdle or whatever you call that thing he wears across his chest and Kory tried to insist those were real muscles. (I suppose the photo-shopped biceps are real too). I found his reaction a little bit like Poilievre himself. He can dish it out but can't take it. (Also I don't think Champagne needs thousands of dollars in a so called makeover!)
BTW being short never seemed to bother Napolean. Just sayin'
It would be a terrible mistake for Singh to give the new Liberal leader breathing room.
Of course he'll give the Liberal leader breathing room.
October it is! 😑
That would be a death sentence for Singh. He can't go back on his promise to bring a non-confidence vote ASAP.
@@Jasmine-k9m2b Yes, that decision would likely end his tenure.
Just because it's foolish doesn't mean he won't do it. Quite the opposite.
Suggest Mark Carney
For a year only. Criticism of Trudeau led Immigration surge as explicit/ open exploitation of TFW.
Most serious climate emergency proposals are to be developed in the near future.
When you guys turn on the hate… 🥲
Nothing will change except Lucky Pierre will invest in a pair of knee pads to meet with and sell out Canada to Orange Jesus.
I wonder what would happen if we sent Green Jesus to combat Orange Jesus. They seem to be equally crazy and full of themselves. I'd like to see the clash
PP certainly needs to talk to a doctor but Peterson isn’t that person. I guess we all understand now that PP still thinks Maritimers are lazy and Quebecers should stop whining about French language.
When did he ever say that?
@@maritimer3027 Andersen listens to the voices in his head and attributes those thoughts to the Opposition Leader. Literal derangement. Such a tragedy.
@@Jon.Morimoto 👍
Seek help