@butterchickenandnaan I was pointing out the exaggerated statement by the original poster. As stated, it's nothing that I haven't seen and heard before on countless American based channels and programs.
Totally agree! Now we know why we never see her on cable news! All of their supposed “experts” are constantly opining on topics they don’t know the answer to but get paid to speculate. Ugh…
This moderate is definitely liberal talking about Russians hating Stalin for his perges. But they feared him and the organized communist party. No leadership could step up with out getting shot. The tanks weren't great just good enough amd many of them
It is so under appreciated in this time. For someone to have the honesty and say that is not my area. I watched one short and then this whole video as well.
Yup, one short sent me searching for more. And the more was this 2 hour masterclass in geo-politics and history, and the global strategies that weave in between them. Wow.
I am a teacher and the fact that she said I don't know a few times was soooo refreshing! The honesty and the fact that she didn't try to come up with something out of thin air and still speak with confidence was wonderful! I could listen to her for years!!!!
I agree. I'd also love to see more politicians admit when they get something wrong. It seems like they are so scared of being wrong that they refuse to admit it and keep doing the same thing. Not sure if they honestly believe their ideas could work or if they are afraid of admitting they are wrong but I would have huge respect for a politician that says "I dont know" or "we got this wrong". Its impossible to know everything or have all your ideas play out the way you imagined they would. The key is to admit it and either abandon the idea or figure out what changes need to be made based on what was learned in the process.
Dwarkesh kept asking the wrong questions and she was so keen on them to pivot to where she has expertise on. It shows incredible experience on her part to narrow down the topics to where she has such a profound knowledge and insight on and keep the conversation going. I gotta read her books.
He’s new to questioning. She works at the naval academy. She’s guiding him for the future not her presence. He brought me to her. Not the other way around and now that I found her and I’m enthralled. He learned how to ask question. We learned about a genius that we never knew existed
I`m Ukrainian, its almost midnight here, and I`m fascinated, keep listening to this prominent conversation. Thanks for this video, and thanks all countries that stand with Ukraine.
Young man youve got NAFO on your side.. We are world wide, active on every social media platform, and enthusiastic about thwarting the disinformation campaign Putin wages against Ukraine at every level and in every way. We recognize the incredible service you are performing for the world. We appreciate your bravery, your integrity and we will heckle our governments into honoring their commitments no matter how long it takes.
We didn´t support you enough. Since the beginning... :(. When Crimea happened I was all like "Really? We´re going to pretend that´s not a major issue? Come on, it will bite us in the ass in the end if nothing else..." And it´s happening and going downhill and you have lost so much and it cost so many lives.. I sort of feel ashamed for the "collective west" for being so clueless and indecisive. I am so very sorry. After 2 years it has become unreal somehow, people don´t seem to realise there are actual people dying, people having their houses and lives destroyed. So very sorry.
This women has two PHDs in Russian culture, and Chinese culture. An MIA from Columbia in Public Affairs, and an MA in Russian language. She also writes and works for the US Naval War College. She knows her stuff!!!
Did you hear ONE quote from the creator of mankind? Have you heard ONE quote from any world leader lately? WHY NOT ?!? Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh. Proverbs 1; 24-26 May 21, 2011 was the beginning of judgement day on the world { you were warned } And it shall come to pass in that day, a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor. Zechariah 14;13 'Tumult' = disbelief & confusion ...the answer: They are deliberately and purposefully blinded by the Lord. Ignorance and then even contempt. Division is the result for the destruction of mankind! God has 'given up' mankind to his own sins as punishment. Romans chapter 1 lists 23 ... Look around? ...followed world events lately? Division is worldwide in religions, politics, economics, industry, news, sports, entertainment, medicine, and even between the sexes. The Lord is known by the judgement which he executeth, the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. Psalm 9;16 Fear, and the pit, and the snare are upon thee O inhabitant of the earth. Isaiah 24;17 Yes, the Lord has already begun ruling the nations with a rod of iron (NOT for their good) ...professing themselves to be wise, they became as fools READ THE BOOK ! ...or should have
This interviewer seems intent on asking 'what if' questions rooted in fantasy and lack of historical knowledge and political understanding. Dr. Paine does a great job of bringing it back to the real processes and concepts that are foundational to understanding.
I was thinking exactly the same. Instead of extracting her knowledge to understand "what was and what is" and how we got here, he asks an historian, "what will". Also, he has a lot of information, names, dates, stuff... But he doesnt connect the dots and ends up having what sounds like "immature views" in some cases. Either way, I appreciate his humility to listen and correct course. Good vid.
I sincerely wish (hope) that Dr Paine could have a weekly (or monthly) video for RUclips. This is the most cogent, articulate, and intelligent lecture on Global Strategic concepts that I've ever heard. It makes me wish The Naval War College had a community college off sight night classes.
At 63, i have been following these 'affairs of nations', as I'll call them, my whole life. 25 minutes in and I can say this is one of the most insightful understandings of these affairs that I have ever been privileged to attend to. In its way, just mind blowing. Huzzah !!!
Go workout or build something for two hours. Mistake to trust her. I like her too, but these people don’t pay for consequences. If Elon Musks car company went bankrupt from bad cars, or all SpaceX rockets failed, he’d be forgotten and justly blamed for foolishness, and regardless of how smart he was. Not these academics though. They can be wildly wrong, and she is about Russia, no consequences, ever, as long as they have a good pitch.
@@Nill757their job is to understand the past, which is different from predicting the future. Understanding what Russia is doing & why isn't the same thing as knowing what's going to happen. "No consequences for being wrong" so I suppose nobody should even try then?? What do you know that gives you such insight that makes you know any better what the future is gonna be? 😂
The depth of this woman's historical understanding and it's accompanying context is nothing short of awe inspiring. What a brilliant human. Thank you to everyone responsible for making this publicly available. It was genuinely a public service. Gratitude.
Something she overlooked was that the 1979 invasion of NK was a ploy with two goals: 1) Solidify the USA as an economic ally, and 2) waste a body of soldiers who were a political threat to the government's absolute control. Something people don't understand about Taiwan invasion is that it will occur IF the government needs a political distraction to justify government control, and/or needs to get rid of its own soldiers.
I thought I would watch a few minutes of this and go to bed. It's now 12:39 AM and I regret nothing. Her insight about Maritime vs Continental strategies is fantastic and makes total sense.
That's something that up until about an hour ago was an unknown unknown. I had never even thought about the U.S. being a maritime country, much less how that affects its place in the world.
This woman is a national treasure. Have read all of her books, and they are all fantastic. To see her in this format is just amazing and she should fo more of it.
My friend put me onto this and it is mind blow after mind blow. Also, a previous comment here so ignorant is that she is just American biased. Well yes but also the whole comment about sources in native languages! What a gem she is!
The fact that host he talks about death numbers in WW2 as if they were numbers on paper, while the lady talks about it with respect and a sense of unease shows that she knows much better about that horrifying part of history in Europe and Asia.
100% agree! I feel like there is this weird trend on the internet when talking about WW2 where the discussion devolves into who was the most evil, who killed the most people and weird speculative what if scenarios. In a way trying to make the topic as sensationalist as possible instead of really trying to understand what happened.
I like her emphasis on the human cost and suffering whenever he asks her to make a value judgment or comparison of policy or events. That shows that she has a decent moral core. People going into political fields often do not have that attribute and think mechanically because their foundation does not come from any doctrine of ethics. We have to recognize whenever discussing politics or history that real people suffered and died. We can't even comprehend the numbers we are discussing, so we detach ourselves because most of us won't even meet with more than a few thousand people in our lives. We won't ever see what a million people even look like. Millions become just numbers.
Yes, you could see how Patel the questioner would ask common questions and narratives, and her responses are spot on. Like should the USA and UK have done as General Patton suggested and fought the Soviet Army to "liberate" East Germany, Poland and maybe the Baltics, Austria, Hungary and Czechoslavakia, or should the Western democracies have supported the White Russians to oppose the Bolsheviks, or wasn't Stalin a greater murderer than Hitler, or was dropping atomic bombs over Japan the right thing to do, or would a land invasion be the right strategy to save lives?
@@TeknoTim2002 The Whites would have been helped by Poland, the only country to actually defeat the Soviet Union in 1920. But the Whites wanted to recreate the Russian empire and enslave Poland. Hence we didn't help them. Note that Lenin was helped and sent to Russia by the Germans. The Germans created the monster of communist Russia. The Bolsheviks were aided by American money from New York. It's funny also how Red China was essentially made by Japan. In inflicting such heavy losses on KMT (and KMT on them) the Japanese allowed the Red to take over China. Now I suppose if PRC decides to attack Japan it will be their own chickens coming home to roost.
This is an incredible historian and intellectual. Just hearing her talk is so enlightening and adds so much context to our current sociopolitical issues
@@forzaacmilan36 No. You can not justify current action based on something happening in 1611. If these people with "PTSD" died 400 years ago you can't use it as a argument for anything current.
This woman is incredible. I am Ukrainian, and everything she said about Ukraine is incredibly accurate, which gives me confidence in trusting her opinions and conclusions about other countries she discussed. Thank you for bringing Sara Paine to RUclips. However, the interviewer seems to have a learning curve ahead of him, but it's a good start. I would suggest he ask fewer 'What if' questions and better connect his questions with Sara's previous answers. It seems like he had a prepared list of questions and didn't adjust them regardless of Sara's responses. Additionally, the interviewer inserted many personal opinions and giggles into his questions, which was distracting. Regardless of that, it is absolutely worth spending 2.5 hours listening to Sara Paine talking.
В одному вона помиляється З її слів " коли росія стане демократичною і зміниться уряд , ми знову запросимо її в світову інтеграцію . Ага , вона піде , намолотить лаве, зміцнить армію і знову буде нападати на сусідів . Тільки повний розвал цієї πедераціїї , інакше все по новому. Слава Україні, Слава ЗСУ, Слава Залужному! 💪💪💪🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
I was hoping for a question about foreign ownership of land ownership in Ukraine. She says the military aid is inexpensive (relative to WW III?) but who is benefitting?
@@derekflynn9644 I think, Kremlin’s propaganda narratives must be brought during the interview and answered by an educated pro-western person, otherwise the internet will be filled with answers only from pro-russian speakers.
There's been a backlash on 'experts' for the past few years. I miss them. This woman is amazing. I might have enjoyed history at school if I knew this kind of passion and knowledge existed.
I must disagree; there's been a backlash against those who claim to possess "expertise"-or those who simply inherit the title "expert" because they're promoted by those with power-and this backlash only came _after_ constant social pressure forced us to submit to catastrophe after catastrophe under threat of censure or worse (now simply referred to as "cancellation"). When a significant portion of the population recognizes the so-called "experts" are barely better than a coin toss-and in many cases are motivated by personal interest or the interests of those in power-the backlash is not only justified, it's long overdue and, in my estimation, hasn't been nearly as severe as it ought to have been.
@@DarrellVermilion nah, this is just the argument du jour, and it does not hold water. In fact, "threat of censure or worse" is fictitious in most cases, and brought about as a way to justify counter-expertise, by bringing in fringe opinions, without empirical data. Look at current water quality issues, water usage problems, regulatory attempts on pesticides, microplastic pollution, etc. It always follows the same steps: Step 1 call it Liberal or Conservative and automatically generate a hostile crowd. Step 2: find any counter opinion, share it. Step 3: defend counter opinion not on it's merits but on cultural bias "they are hiding the truth" AND questioning the expertise of the initial, empirical opinion. Its been the same way for a very long time. No bigger example than tobacco use, but lets not forget coal-based pollution, asbestos use, lead use, fracking practices, seat belt, helmet use, and the list goes on. Just last year the New Hampshire state legislative had some "expert" argue that helmets "do not increase rider safety" and that in fact "caused more accidents due to limited field of vision" by simply asking "do you think you could see more if you did not have your helmet" to accident survivors, without considering the effects of the actual helmet. All questions in regards to this "expert" were followed up by "cancel culture" accusations. We have devolved to the point that people can claim the earth to be flat, and any and all comments to the contrary is another example of "cancel culture". The list goes on.
I was lucky. I did have some teachers like that. Plus, I just got sucked in myself by the wonder of what I call "The Story". Which is basically the history and explanation of Everything. It includes Geography and Science and Politics and all kinds of other things to tell The Story of Us, and all associated with Us. Can't get enough.
@@DarrellVermilion I agree with your statement . Outright academic fraud has been an acknowledged problem inside academia itself in very recent years . People selling themselves to the highest bidders like so many battling courtroom "experts" do is exactly why the general public has every right to question anything any of them say . Not just a right , but an obligation ...
The most insightful thing she said is hearing her correct him in saying "Well, lets not call it stupid because that writes off their reasoning" That's MASSIVE maturity. That's the stuff Bob Iger starts w/ if you buy him lunch for an hour of his time lol.
@@aSSGoblin1488 It's something he'd say. If you can afford it, you can book time w/ him for business advice. He has a Masterclass too but that's a side business since he left Disney. He's like $10k an hour or something lol.
It is SO refreshing to listen to someone who actually knows what she's talking about on these matters. Sooo much noise, we must cherish clear signal wherever and whenever we find it.
Nobody can look into the head of another human being, so anybody who claims to "know" what any other human being intends to do or set out to do, is deluded. Look at the events, and then infer the underlying strategies of power. Ignore what any other human being says or thinks is "the truth".
@@ralphbernhard1757I agree to an extent. On face value you cannot know what someone is going to do. However if someone is motivated enough they can take the same principle your phone uses to know what you will want to buy, watch and then do. The special forces when they have a target will list when they leave the house, when they go to the toilet, which room the toilet is in, can the walls of that room hold a small explosion, who else will be nearby, how many devices in the room. It keeps going. We can predict people with scary accuracy to the point of knowing what you are 95% likely to do.
I’m 12 minutes into this conversation and this woman is a juggernaut, an absolute encyclopedia of history, war history. She incredibly smart and eloquent. i’m buying whatever book she has written
Why is this woman not President, or at least Sec of State or Natl Security Advisor? Oh well, Kamala is just as smart and articulate! And has won as many primary votes as Sarah!
Gee guys she is an analyst. She repeatedly admits she doesn't have the answer. She also clearly points out how WW2 was so bad because analysts ran the war.
I cant believe I'm saying this about a 2.5 hour long podcast but I wish it was longer. She reminds me of my favorite history teacher I had growing up. Incredibly insightful, intelligent and you can tell she really cares. Awesome interview
This is just amazing recounts of history. Straightforward honest, direct, factual. I'm fortunate that I discovered Professor Paine. Thank you for posting this insightful interview. Nice work.
As someone from Ukraine, thanks to the chanell for posting this interview and special thanks to professor Paine for analysis, depth and breaking certain provocative narratives in a factual and respectful manner. I wish I'd see more such content on youtube.
Professor Sarah C. M. Paine is clearly one of the most intelligent, knowledgeable, and articulate person in the world. First, she properly states the issues, ignoring the original (poorly stated) question. Second, the depth of her knowledge is breathtaking. Third, the answers are clearly stated with the key details.
Here I am writing an article on the disadvantages of monolinguism to literary history research, and the various types of multilingual elites, and she goes "oh, primary sources are fundamental, I read them very slowly". She is the hero Gotham needs and deserves
I am extremely jealous of people whose brains can wrap themselves around multiple languages. I’m a fluent English speaker, and I’m somewhat conversational in Spanish, but I’ve been learning Chinese (my wife is mainland Chinese) and I just cannot wrap my head around it or memorize any of the words or phrases I learn.
Americans are lucky to have such professors, I wish more people would be curious about the history of the world and especially about dictators and their thinking.
Unfortunately we live in a time where, in many places, in many schools of thought, learning is a bad thing. You want to learn about the horrors of the past and the atrocities of evil men like these dictators? You must be some sort of fascist then, why else would you want to learn more? Some people just want everything bad to be expunged and redacted so we can be doomed to repeat what history would otherwise teach us not to do.
@@niarlatotepbasset We the vast majority pity your ignorance. You could not possibly have studied modern history and political science at a nationally ranked university, and then spent years in the National Archives in Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo and London like she did, and worked your way up in academic circles to be instructing at the world's top naval academy. So don't expect anyone to agree with you. We listen to experts, not trolls.
For all this woman's vast knowledge, she is still quick to say "I don't know." I greatly appreciate that about her. She shows what she knows and openly tells us when she doesn't.
I started seeing shorts from this and got inspired to listen to the whole thing. How refreshing to know there are high level thinkers out there planning, teaching and creating stability and growth.
What I love the most about her is that she speaks like an elder statesman who wants to ready the next generation rather than talking down to them. Its like I spent a lifetime studying and here is what I learned, now its your turn to go study.
@@farzana6676 Off topic but to do that, Palestinians Must reject Hamas. No one else can end the terror between Israel and Hamas. A war only trains the next generations... on both sides.
@@argentum530 It is all a bit more complex. Both parties are equally bad agents. Isreal for unapologetically creating an "Untermensch" caste in society and actively engaging in appartheid against the Palestinians. The Palestinians are equally to blame to for not accepting that they lost, TWICE, and are now Israeli citizens. They have repeatedly forgone all possibilities for independence through their deliberate actions and multiple wars losing against Israel.
This is the best 2.5 hours on recent history ive ever spent. This is phenomenal. Sarah Paine is possibly one of the greatest historians ive ever run across. Thank you very much for creating this content.
She’s rather worryingly ignorant for someone in such a prestigious position. She seems totally unaware of the events of the 1930s and buildup to war. She then goes on to repeat popular myths like the necessity of the atomic bombs for ending the war with Japan. That’s just for starters
@@SworBeyE16that isn’t a ‘myth’ nor a ‘popular myth’. On the contrary, folks like you rely on the popularity of condemning the bombings to advocate against them using anachronistic hindsight through rose-tinted glasses.
Prof Paine gave the most incredible and patient answers to many questions which were wildly speculative and almost incoherent at times, she's an amazing teacher. Patel has a lot to learn.
as a Taiwanese when heard she said "Taiwanese don't have this bitterness about Japan that the Koreans do" I was really amaze by her understanding about our history. It's such a subtle thing to know. and the U.S. decision-making process is very important for Taiwanese to understand. Because we face such huge problems and need to understand our allies better. I would love to share this podcast to all my friend but some of them doesn't understand English that well. It would be great if there were Chinese subtitles.
Sarah living in Taiwan and China for 3 years each sure helped formed her opinions and the vast esoteric knowledge she gained on the nuances of Taiwan/Japan relationships. This must have something to do with whom she spent some quality time with-the benshengrens (lol). These people had their roots on the island as far back as the 1600s and lived through the Imperial Japanese occupation period (1895-1945) and were treated well by the Japanese colonizers: they built the current infrstructures on the island that still exists today and propped up the local economy that the former Qing colonizers never bothered doing. The Chinese then viewed Taiwan as a backwater island occupied by belligerent "savages" (aborigines) and because of their bellicose resistance to Qing rule, they never had the full administration of the island except the western coastal plains. Conversely, the minority waishengrens who migrated to Taiwan post 1949, at least the older generations who still recalled the Japanese atrocities they experienced while still living on the mainland, passed this resentment and hatred down to their younger generations, and have nothing but vengeful things to say about Japan, identical of that shared on the mainland. 🤷♂️
I have no idea how she can supposedly be an Eastern Europe expert and yet be completely wrong and utterly clueless about Russia, and yet intimately understand Taiwan. Maybe it’s called being paid to put things in that way. And I seriously never ever thought. I would see a person apologize Imperial Japan of all things! Oh, and then she has the nerve to say communism is a failure and horrible after the communist rebuild all of central and eastern Europe following World War II, and killed a tiny fraction of the people in that area versus what Japan did to Taijuan while also exterminating the culture! Oh, and the land reform thing being why Kai-shek lost the Civil War is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard! A G E N D A
I lived in Japan for almost 20 years and have a Japanese wife and noticed the same thing. And it goes both ways, I have never heard a Japanese person speak ill of Taiwan or Taiwanese but have heard the worst about Chinese and Koreans.
@@kayumochi Agree. I wouldn't be surprised that the Japanese living on the main island during the Imperial colonization era before 1945 viewed the Formosans no different than that of their view of the Okinawans. They were both Japanese citizens albeit second rate, but citizens nevertheless. FWIW.
She is GOLD, really appreciate her intellectual posture. This is how an analyst or historian should speak, also our politicians should speak like that. Clear, to the point and when things are dubious, say "I don't know"
What I personally like was that as an expert which she clearly is, that she was not afraid to say I don't know. Which is so refreshing from and expert in my oppinion.
Besides her erudition and talent, she is also very gracious taking some of the weak questions and answering them properly and even with wit. Excellent!
I’m British and been subjected to British historians debating WW1 for decades and she sums up the error Britain made in getting involved in the WW1 land war in 2 sentences.
Unfortunately, whatever she said ignored several centuries of established strategy by the British Government. The whole basis of our involvement in WWI hinged on two things; 1. having a treaty obligation to go to the defence of Belgium, 2. refusing (in line with the general strategy since the time of Sluys in 1340) to have any adverse power in control of the Channel Coast of Continental Europe. However, this is not to say that the main mistake was going to War with what was little more than a Colonial Gendarmerie, albeit an extremely well-trained and equipped one. When you have a military force of only 246,000 in total in 11 frontline divisions, you don't want to get involved with someone capable of fielding 251 frontline divisions en masse. And you definitely don't want to start shooting at them. In fact, by the end of November 1914, the original Field Army was virtually destroyed. However, there were cadres of surviving Regular non-coms to help train the Territorial Reserves and later the mass Conscripted Troops. As an aside, by 1918, the Six British Field Armies had been so winnowed out qualitatively that they could not have survived against the Regular Army of 1914 but for their preponderance in Artillery and having Tanks. They could barely shoot worth a damn compared with their predecessors who shot for fun and for better pay.
@@petergaskin1811 There was no "oböigation" to defend Belgium. The word "obligation" is s defined term, and GB didn't have a defense pact with Belgium which obliged anything. If there is no obligation, there is only "choice." London chose war, to save France, which can be proven by archival entry. Something the lords knew young Brits would never fight for. So they invented "poor Belgium" as propaganda punchline.
Honestly, if you want to understand world war 1 you have to go back to Napoleon. However, I don’t know if her knowledge goes that far back and it didn’t seem to be too relevant to the discussion.
@@jeremymullens7167 She did talk about the Napoleonic wars being the birthplace of nationalism, and how that - in turn - weakened the ability of nonadjacent colonizers to keep their colonies (in reference to Russia having its red army in place to keep them from becoming independent).
@@tonyclifton2230 The soft sciences have their statistical limitations and assumptions like any other field of study. NOTHING is without some assumption.
If this woman is helping to educate our future military leaders, I say that bodes well for us all. If only she could help educate the masses as well, who need it as much or more.
This is great. This is what someone who genuinely knows geopolitics sounds like. Even her language and her cadence show her depth of knowledge. Would love to see lots more videos with her.
WOW!!! What just happened to 2 1/2 hours of my life!!! This video is outstanding, I was mesmerized by Mrs. Paine wide knowledge and understating of the political, economic, social, military, etc.!!!!!! Thanks for posting this!!!!
I've seen a lot of comments criticising the interviewer for his stupid or silly what if questions, but he never pretends to be much more than a lay man with a better than average knowledge of history. He is giving us a great opportunity to ask these questions of an amazing expert like Paine. And she is so good that she conveys complex ideas so that anyone really can grasp them. Also asking what if? is a great way to understand better what actually did happen and what people's motivations were.
Individuals like this are really great at structuring the whole sentence before they even start speaking it. It's clear she chooses her words with great precision.
That isn't really a fair diagnosis. In order to rephrase and ask better questions, you would need to know the material and the subject matter which would require an interview prior to this one. It goes back to the unknown, unknowns.
I mean, look at the state of him...he is just a youtuber in all fairness...look at his satin tie, its so poorly knotted as he tries to look like a smart person but naturaly just ends up looking like a politician, blue at his age is hilarious...the beard trim template, this guy doesnt hear words like people and care just positive and success and awesome etc. People like this are the buffer between ourselves and people a life of education and impact on society, as is hers....
This lady is the most interesting person that I've seen in a long while; too long. Such clarity. So well thought out! It's refreshing. So pardon me now, whilst I binge on Sarah Paine material.
If anyone needs to be teaching the next generation of military decision makers, it’s her. The war college really got it right with getting this professor on board. Her extensive knowledge mixed with her ability to understand things from multiple perspectives is a vital way to teach such heavy and complex topics.
I'm really not crazy about the interviewer. Needs to slow down and enunciate (and maybe ask fewer questions about hypothetical counterfactuals) But I'm in awe of Sarah C. Paine. Brilliant and so engaging.
He did ask some fantastic questions though. With some rounded context and nuance before he got to the core of the question. For someone not as well versed as her on these topics, he did a great job of pulling her where she needed to go to fill his gaps.
@@stevehatcher7700 I agree. He’s not an expert by any means, but his questions were solid, and she is great at picking up a question and expand its scope.
The rambling and unfinished sentences are quite irritating, he needs to slow down, perhaps sticking to a script would help him. I suspect he is slightly in awe and nervous, which is understandable, but I do think he could do better
She modified each of his questions, ignored some completely, and wrote off others entirely. Perfect. Amateurism has its place in allowing more conversations to take place and get started, but it also has some severe drawbacks. She did a great job of steering around the drawbacks, and avoided wild speculation. 10/10 to Sarah Paine
Excellent guest. The wealth of knowledge Paine has is incredible. Her strategic thinking is tempered by a world view that takes the motives of other nations into account.
It's so refreshing to listen to a Westerner that understands the dynamics of Eastern/Central Europe. As a Polish person I highly recommend this interview.
Just completely neglecting how y’all refused to let Russia into the union or into NATO and then impoverished it for over a decade and killed tens to hundreds of thousands of people by sponsoring terrorist groups in it and then wondering why Russia is unhappy with us and not interested in our bullshit.
I feel you. Average westoid has such a limited understanding of the situation listening to them is almost physically painful. This woman was a delight to listen to.
@@grimwaltzmanOf course most people are not specialists which is why we need to vote for competent people of character, not "those who agree with us."
Interesting how within Europe you refer to “Westerner” to distinguish Western Europe, but although we acknowledge that clarification as an American I’m more likely to refer to most of Europe in regards to “Western civilization”, focusing of recent history, cooperation & trajectory…
This woman is so articulate and knowledgeable. I could listen to her talk about history for hours. It’s nice to see someone who actually knows what they’re talking about unlike grifters like Jordan Peterson who talks about things he has no clue about.
Wow! The sheer gravitas of academia & intelligent insight into the perilous world we are living today was nothing short of majestic. Thank you so much for this video.
I like the way she takes our narrow, biased, dismissive views and turns them around and looks at them objectively. It opens your eyes to another perspective. Saying someone is stupid means you write off understanding what their reasons are. Sara Paine
Exactly, this bothers me SO much when it comes to things like politics and other contentious issues. Each side just writes off the other with some made up epithet, and disregards them , totally blind to the fact that if hundreds of millions of people all think something that you disagree with, that still means that they all agree with each-other and there must be something to understand about what that is.
@@johnymey4034 Yes. But. Just because a lot of people agree does not mean "there must be something to understand". I would say there may be, not must be. There are some 3 million people who believe the world is flat. And others who believe that men can get pregnant. But yeah. We're on the same page here.
@@TK0_23_ there IS something to understand in both your examples, you're still thinking in half-court tennis. Understand does not mean agree, or accept.
The insight by this intellegent woman! I so admire your ability to study war,interprete the failures & successes..thank you. I now fear, with tinyhands at the wheel, for the world at large.
This is fantastic. She's almost giving him therapy through dropping little life lessons. Seriously one of the best conversations I've seen between generations.
While the interviewer is irritating, it does feel like she's going after him. Unless he's a student and they have a prior educational relationship, it's very belittling and rude. Don't need to make someone feel like an idiot even if they are one.
I really enjoyed listening to Professor Paine. My goodness what a wonderful teacher. A few glitches in the video transitioning , but otherwise thank you for allowing Professor Paine to speak and share her knowledge. Amazing
Its just as refreshing to see a truly insightful expert who will say "I don't know" as it is to read the comments of people who appreciate such things. I also enjoyed that some of her book recommendations were occasionally followed by "its not a fun read" and that you should read some of them slowly. This channel chooses excellent interview subjects. Whoever is running that side of the channel (finding people to interview) is killing it, great job whoever you are
Best YT video I have watched in a while. It is strange and a bit sad how anachronistic the tone of this video is ... and I mean that in a good way. The level of analysis and knowledge somehow feels like it should be in an oak-lined office in a university somewhere, a far cry from the usual level. It's interesting that she confirmed a suspicion of mine that I had in college ... that China and Russia, even during the Cold War, followed the logic of land empires. When Henry Kissinger first visited China, the majority of talks were not about development or modernization of the economy, but about making sure the Soviets did not invade. And good on Dr. Paine for gutting it through the languages.
She is one of the most intelligent people I have ever heard speak on this topic. Incredibly cogent and decisive. I really enjoy how she gets to the point and speaks directly. She doesn’t mince words and it makes it easy to understand not only her personal positions on these topics but she also retains the rare ability to see things from others point of view.
@@jsmith7348 Yes, the whiner (not you) who questions your comment is a less educated, misinformed troll who doesn't like hearing the truth espoused so logically to such a large reception. It's dangerous for the Kremlin for the world to realize their murderous intentions.
Excellent discussion. I admire Sarah's willingness to state she has 'no idea' about some things - the truth is there are some things we will never fully know or understand (particularly with regards to history).
Dr Paine is really a joy to listen to. She speaks with confidence on what she knows (which is a lot) and isn’t willing to entertain discussions she can’t speak to. The level of intellectual honesty is such a breath of fresh air.
Love listening to this person talk. Intellectual, accurate, passionate, it is enlivening to hear them. If you read this, please commend them on my behalf. I’ll be waiting for more. Thank you
People like this, for me, deserve the adulation and following that sports superstars receive from their fans. Like, let's do a quick instant replay, zoom in on that brilliant concept she just threw out so quick. Damn, what a catch, incredible ball handling, what hands. Unearthly in its way, the conceptual clarity and insightfulness.
This lady is brilliant. Honestly, my new favorite politico/ military thinker? Speaker? Strategist? Whatever she is, she's amazing. And shes RIGHT. I'm thinking about whats going on now and its scary
Love the bit when she says "Well lets leave stupid out of it, because its non explanatory. By saying its stupid you write off understanding their reasoning." Really good thing to keep in mind when you're discussing these kinds of topics.
Where has this lady been all my RUclips life?
Biased and US based view of things, so I wouldn't call it anything special. Although it is quite a rather nice watch, for free.
@@freshtoast3879no shit Sherlock ,she is an American and works in a government University
@butterchickenandnaan I was pointing out the exaggerated statement by the original poster. As stated, it's nothing that I haven't seen and heard before on countless American based channels and programs.
@@freshtoast3879 that's not how the internet works
@@butterchickenandnaan OK.
Whenever the moderator asks a Zeihan style speculative question and she just says "I don't know". I appreciate that.
Totally agree! Now we know why we never see her on cable news! All of their supposed “experts” are constantly opining on topics they don’t know the answer to but get paid to speculate. Ugh…
My dad told me this a long time ago. "It's ok to say, I don't know"
This moderate is definitely liberal talking about Russians hating Stalin for his perges. But they feared him and the organized communist party. No leadership could step up with out getting shot. The tanks weren't great just good enough amd many of them
@@TheBlackAtlas Most "experts" never got that lesson.
It is so under appreciated in this time. For someone to have the honesty and say that is not my area.
I watched one short and then this whole video as well.
saw a short, watched this full thing. regret nothing
Same😎
Yup, one short sent me searching for more. And the more was this 2 hour masterclass in geo-politics and history, and the global strategies that weave in between them. Wow.
Same
Same
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I am a teacher and the fact that she said I don't know a few times was soooo refreshing! The honesty and the fact that she didn't try to come up with something out of thin air and still speak with confidence was wonderful! I could listen to her for years!!!!
The best teachers are willing to concede the limits of their knowledge…but you already knew this!💜💪
I agree. I'd also love to see more politicians admit when they get something wrong. It seems like they are so scared of being wrong that they refuse to admit it and keep doing the same thing. Not sure if they honestly believe their ideas could work or if they are afraid of admitting they are wrong but I would have huge respect for a politician that says "I dont know" or "we got this wrong". Its impossible to know everything or have all your ideas play out the way you imagined they would. The key is to admit it and either abandon the idea or figure out what changes need to be made based on what was learned in the process.
Was she telling the truth, and how do you know it was true
Feels like I did,American's are so "yada yada" they talk with false enthusiasm,so false
"Breaking the codes,the British helped us with that"? Britain did that is the reality with initial help from the Poles
I had forgotten what it was like to actually learn things from a person who actually wants to teach them
She’s the dumbest historian I’ve ever heard
I mean, she's a Professor with a PhD. She's better be that good or the Naval War College is wasting money.
@@VT-mw2zb Did you not just hear what she said in this QA?? She said some of the dumbest things ive ever heard.
@@Immigrantlovesamerica what did you find dumb?
@@Immigrantlovesamerica Like what?
Bookmarking this to watch later. She is incredible, and it must have been an honor to have this conversation with her.
Huge fan! Really flattered to learn you listen!
You're clearly uneducated if you believe she's incredible.
What did you think of it? This is incredibly though provoking for me.
Dude, you are way too sappy.
@@DwarkeshPatel
Japan didn't invade "Manchuria" ... they invaded China in order to occupy it !
Then later set-up their puppet state of "Manchukuo" .
The professor snatched a good interview out of the jaws of these questions.
A cool flip of the old sports expression, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory . . . 😮
Dwarkesh kept asking the wrong questions and she was so keen on them to pivot to where she has expertise on. It shows incredible experience on her part to narrow down the topics to where she has such a profound knowledge and insight on and keep the conversation going. I gotta read her books.
Right?! He’s dripping in that super annoying isolationist undertone. He would have been the first to give up the Sudetenland in 1938.
Yeah I don't get why this guy has a following. He comes across so obnoxiously as an interviewer.
He’s new to questioning. She works at the naval academy. She’s guiding him for the future not her presence. He brought me to her. Not the other way around and now that I found her and I’m enthralled. He learned how to ask question. We learned about a genius that we never knew existed
I`m Ukrainian, its almost midnight here, and I`m fascinated, keep listening to this prominent conversation. Thanks for this video, and thanks all countries that stand with Ukraine.
I fear for your country with the re-election of Trump and his inward, ignorant views and plans.
Good luck in Ukraine, support & best wishes. Stay Strong 💪 ❤
Young man youve got NAFO on your side.. We are world wide, active on every social media platform, and enthusiastic about thwarting the disinformation campaign Putin wages against Ukraine at every level and in every way. We recognize the incredible service you are performing for the world. We appreciate your bravery, your integrity and we will heckle our governments into honoring their commitments no matter how long it takes.
We didn´t support you enough. Since the beginning... :(. When Crimea happened I was all like "Really? We´re going to pretend that´s not a major issue? Come on, it will bite us in the ass in the end if nothing else..." And it´s happening and going downhill and you have lost so much and it cost so many lives..
I sort of feel ashamed for the "collective west" for being so clueless and indecisive.
I am so very sorry.
After 2 years it has become unreal somehow, people don´t seem to realise there are actual people dying, people having their houses and lives destroyed.
So very sorry.
Slava!
This women has two PHDs in Russian culture, and Chinese culture. An MIA from Columbia in Public Affairs, and an MA in Russian language. She also writes and works for the US Naval War College. She knows her stuff!!!
Did you hear ONE quote from the creator of mankind?
Have you heard ONE quote from any world leader lately?
WHY NOT ?!?
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh. Proverbs 1; 24-26
May 21, 2011 was the beginning of judgement day on the world { you were warned }
And it shall come to pass in that day, a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor. Zechariah 14;13
'Tumult' = disbelief & confusion ...the answer: They are deliberately and purposefully blinded by the Lord. Ignorance and then even contempt.
Division is the result for the destruction of mankind! God has 'given up' mankind to his own sins as punishment. Romans chapter 1 lists 23 ...
Look around? ...followed world events lately? Division is worldwide in religions, politics, economics, industry, news, sports, entertainment, medicine, and even between the sexes.
The Lord is known by the judgement which he executeth, the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. Psalm 9;16
Fear, and the pit, and the snare are upon thee O inhabitant of the earth. Isaiah 24;17
Yes, the Lord has already begun ruling the nations with a rod of iron (NOT for their good) ...professing themselves to be wise, they became as fools
READ THE BOOK ! ...or should have
No she does not.
@@manuelkim7064 What a great argument.
@@manuelkim7064 Google her, dork.
I love her
This interviewer seems intent on asking 'what if' questions rooted in fantasy and lack of historical knowledge and political understanding. Dr. Paine does a great job of bringing it back to the real processes and concepts that are foundational to understanding.
She's very patient with him.
Yea I'd prefer to see Lex interview her
I was thinking exactly the same. Instead of extracting her knowledge to understand "what was and what is" and how we got here, he asks an historian, "what will".
Also, he has a lot of information, names, dates, stuff... But he doesnt connect the dots and ends up having what sounds like "immature views" in some cases.
Either way, I appreciate his humility to listen and correct course. Good vid.
And interviewers can't keep replying with "but," "but," "but."
(Valley girl accents don't help, either.)
@tryagainnoob101 my thoughts exactly.
I sincerely wish (hope) that Dr Paine could have a weekly (or monthly) video for RUclips. This is the most cogent, articulate, and intelligent lecture on Global Strategic concepts that I've ever heard. It makes me wish The Naval War College had a community college off sight night classes.
Yea last time i saw a intelectual i really respected like this has to be Robert Sapolsky
😂
Nah you gotta pay for that, or sign up for the navy lmao.
Not even close unless you do not have a solid foundation in history. She is wrong about just as many things she is right about.
She is definitely a national treasure.
At 63, i have been following these 'affairs of nations', as I'll call them, my whole life. 25 minutes in and I can say this is one of the most insightful understandings of these affairs that I have ever been privileged to attend to. In its way, just mind blowing. Huzzah !!!
You wated 63 years shill
There's nothing better than having somebody who really knows her subject explain important stuff to me. Best 2 ½ hours I've spent in while.
this could be better if professor has a visual vtuber anime avatar instead of older lady.
@@aSSGoblin1488 How on earth does that improve anything? What a stupid take.
Go workout or build something for two hours.
Mistake to trust her. I like her too, but these people don’t pay for consequences. If Elon Musks car company went bankrupt from bad cars, or all SpaceX rockets failed, he’d be forgotten and justly blamed for foolishness, and regardless of how smart he was. Not these academics though. They can be wildly wrong, and she is about Russia, no consequences, ever, as long as they have a good pitch.
Does she? American wars under her time would say her and her colleagues are fools.
@@Nill757their job is to understand the past, which is different from predicting the future. Understanding what Russia is doing & why isn't the same thing as knowing what's going to happen.
"No consequences for being wrong" so I suppose nobody should even try then?? What do you know that gives you such insight that makes you know any better what the future is gonna be? 😂
The depth of this woman's historical understanding and it's accompanying context is nothing short of awe inspiring. What a brilliant human. Thank you to everyone responsible for making this publicly available.
It was genuinely a public service.
Gratitude.
that’s what’s taking me in as well. this level of expertise is inspiring.
Something she overlooked was that the 1979 invasion of NK was a ploy with two goals: 1) Solidify the USA as an economic ally, and 2) waste a body of soldiers who were a political threat to the government's absolute control.
Something people don't understand about Taiwan invasion is that it will occur IF the government needs a political distraction to justify government control, and/or needs to get rid of its own soldiers.
Yes, gratitude to her.
He ruins the whole video.
She's actually a govt paid propagandist. But she does know some history, which is why she's actually good at her job.
Awe inspiring to the ignorant
I thought I would watch a few minutes of this and go to bed. It's now 12:39 AM and I regret nothing. Her insight about Maritime vs Continental strategies is fantastic and makes total sense.
00:40 in my time zone. Didn't miss - nor regret - a minute. Fantastic content!
The same here in Denmark 😆🤣 She’s too so amazing
She so fascinating and the way she conveys information is excellent
That's something that up until about an hour ago was an unknown unknown. I had never even thought about the U.S. being a maritime country, much less how that affects its place in the world.
This woman is a national treasure. Have read all of her books, and they are all fantastic. To see her in this format is just amazing and she should fo more of it.
“I can make bad spelling errors in numerous languages”. Her comment on reading source materials in the original languages. So much respect for her!
My friend put me onto this and it is mind blow after mind blow.
Also, a previous comment here so ignorant is that she is just American biased. Well yes but also the whole comment about sources in native languages!
What a gem she is!
@@GreenTimeEagleher word count to impact ratio is very impressive.
Why are most of the US academics poorly spoken, f.x. compared to OxBridge academics ?
She is so right about the half court tennis. If only the US politicians and in particular the US presidents were capable to have this understanding...
The fact that host he talks about death numbers in WW2 as if they were numbers on paper, while the lady talks about it with respect and a sense of unease shows that she knows much better about that horrifying part of history in Europe and Asia.
100% agree! I feel like there is this weird trend on the internet when talking about WW2 where the discussion devolves into who was the most evil, who killed the most people and weird speculative what if scenarios. In a way trying to make the topic as sensationalist as possible instead of really trying to understand what happened.
Tech bros are not renowned for their high levels of empathy
She definitely came across as a humanist, even with all of her "millennial" wit.
The host talks about hyptheticals of WW2. It is pointless except for potential Hollywood stories.
@@8__vv__8 All that "but what if Hitler was more rational" (with the undertone of "like I would be") helps underscore that.
I like her emphasis on the human cost and suffering whenever he asks her to make a value judgment or comparison of policy or events. That shows that she has a decent moral core. People going into political fields often do not have that attribute and think mechanically because their foundation does not come from any doctrine of ethics. We have to recognize whenever discussing politics or history that real people suffered and died. We can't even comprehend the numbers we are discussing, so we detach ourselves because most of us won't even meet with more than a few thousand people in our lives. We won't ever see what a million people even look like. Millions become just numbers.
Fdr was a socialist he thought Stalin was fine
FDR's weakness lead to the war in the Pacific, just as chamberlins weakness lead to the European war.
Yes, you could see how Patel the questioner would ask common questions and narratives, and her responses are spot on. Like should the USA and UK have done as General Patton suggested and fought the Soviet Army to "liberate" East Germany, Poland and maybe the Baltics, Austria, Hungary and Czechoslavakia, or should the Western democracies have supported the White Russians to oppose the Bolsheviks, or wasn't Stalin a greater murderer than Hitler, or was dropping atomic bombs over Japan the right thing to do, or would a land invasion be the right strategy to save lives?
@@TeknoTim2002 The Whites would have been helped by Poland, the only country to actually defeat the Soviet Union in 1920. But the Whites wanted to recreate the Russian empire and enslave Poland. Hence we didn't help them. Note that Lenin was helped and sent to Russia by the Germans. The Germans created the monster of communist Russia. The Bolsheviks were aided by American money from New York. It's funny also how Red China was essentially made by Japan. In inflicting such heavy losses on KMT (and KMT on them) the Japanese allowed the Red to take over China. Now I suppose if PRC decides to attack Japan it will be their own chickens coming home to roost.
That right? Lot of soaring morality there. What then should US policy be? Ukraine war, nato? Because you provided nothing
This is an incredible historian and intellectual. Just hearing her talk is so enlightening and adds so much context to our current sociopolitical issues
I am Polish - what she said about Eastern Europe and NATO is 100% true! We cannot not live our lives because of how Russians feel.
Well Poland should have never burned down Moscow in the first place. It’s called PTSD
Seriously that's over 400 years ago. Is that event really still relevant in modern Russian society?@@forzaacmilan36
@@forzaacmilan36 No. You can not justify current action based on something happening in 1611. If these people with "PTSD" died 400 years ago you can't use it as a argument for anything current.
@@forzaacmilan36is that a bit or are you actually that genuinely stupid?
It's not so much the Russian people but instead is the Russian leadership who want to put back into place a new kind of Soviet Union.
Damn, she is so smart, I could listen to her for hours. And the fact that she won’t comment on things she doesn’t have a background on speaks volumes!
That's my big take-away from this. One of them.
So refreshing to hear this type of conversation outside of a classroom. Please do more
If you like warmongers like her, then yeah...you also have them on tv, less classy, but nevertheless the same warmongering narrative.
The middle and second half is most informative. The first part sets the stage for understanding. This is a must listen to to for making forein policy.
This woman is incredible. I am Ukrainian, and everything she said about Ukraine is incredibly accurate, which gives me confidence in trusting her opinions and conclusions about other countries she discussed. Thank you for bringing Sara Paine to RUclips. However, the interviewer seems to have a learning curve ahead of him, but it's a good start. I would suggest he ask fewer 'What if' questions and better connect his questions with Sara's previous answers. It seems like he had a prepared list of questions and didn't adjust them regardless of Sara's responses. Additionally, the interviewer inserted many personal opinions and giggles into his questions, which was distracting. Regardless of that, it is absolutely worth spending 2.5 hours listening to Sara Paine talking.
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З її слів " коли росія стане демократичною і зміниться уряд , ми знову запросимо її в світову інтеграцію . Ага , вона піде , намолотить лаве, зміцнить армію і знову буде нападати на сусідів .
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I was hoping for a question about foreign ownership of land ownership in Ukraine. She says the military aid is inexpensive (relative to WW III?) but who is benefitting?
The interviewer put forward typical maga/kremlin talking points and she destroyed them easily and made him look like a chump.
@@Beethoven7th what do you mean by that? What foreign ownership question do you have?
@@derekflynn9644 I think, Kremlin’s propaganda narratives must be brought during the interview and answered by an educated pro-western person, otherwise the internet will be filled with answers only from pro-russian speakers.
There's been a backlash on 'experts' for the past few years.
I miss them.
This woman is amazing.
I might have enjoyed history at school if I knew this kind of passion and knowledge existed.
I had a teacher like this and that's why I love history. Also agree re experts.... The world has gotten dumber, context and neuance are MIA
I must disagree; there's been a backlash against those who claim to possess "expertise"-or those who simply inherit the title "expert" because they're promoted by those with power-and this backlash only came _after_ constant social pressure forced us to submit to catastrophe after catastrophe under threat of censure or worse (now simply referred to as "cancellation"). When a significant portion of the population recognizes the so-called "experts" are barely better than a coin toss-and in many cases are motivated by personal interest or the interests of those in power-the backlash is not only justified, it's long overdue and, in my estimation, hasn't been nearly as severe as it ought to have been.
@@DarrellVermilion nah, this is just the argument du jour, and it does not hold water. In fact, "threat of censure or worse" is fictitious in most cases, and brought about as a way to justify counter-expertise, by bringing in fringe opinions, without empirical data. Look at current water quality issues, water usage problems, regulatory attempts on pesticides, microplastic pollution, etc. It always follows the same steps:
Step 1 call it Liberal or Conservative and automatically generate a hostile crowd.
Step 2: find any counter opinion, share it.
Step 3: defend counter opinion not on it's merits but on cultural bias "they are hiding the truth" AND questioning the expertise of the initial, empirical opinion.
Its been the same way for a very long time. No bigger example than tobacco use, but lets not forget coal-based pollution, asbestos use, lead use, fracking practices, seat belt, helmet use, and the list goes on. Just last year the New Hampshire state legislative had some "expert" argue that helmets "do not increase rider safety" and that in fact "caused more accidents due to limited field of vision" by simply asking "do you think you could see more if you did not have your helmet" to accident survivors, without considering the effects of the actual helmet. All questions in regards to this "expert" were followed up by "cancel culture" accusations.
We have devolved to the point that people can claim the earth to be flat, and any and all comments to the contrary is another example of "cancel culture". The list goes on.
I was lucky. I did have some teachers like that. Plus, I just got sucked in myself by the wonder of what I call "The Story". Which is basically the history and explanation of Everything. It includes Geography and Science and Politics and all kinds of other things to tell The Story of Us, and all associated with Us. Can't get enough.
@@DarrellVermilion I agree with your statement .
Outright academic fraud has been an acknowledged problem inside academia itself in very recent years .
People selling themselves to the highest bidders like so many battling courtroom "experts" do is exactly why the general public has every right to question anything any of them say .
Not just a right , but an obligation ...
The most insightful thing she said is hearing her correct him in saying "Well, lets not call it stupid because that writes off their reasoning" That's MASSIVE maturity. That's the stuff Bob Iger starts w/ if you buy him lunch for an hour of his time lol.
the disney guy? what does that havr to do with
@@aSSGoblin1488lmao wth is bro yapping off about 😂💀
@@aSSGoblin1488 It's something he'd say. If you can afford it, you can book time w/ him for business advice. He has a Masterclass too but that's a side business since he left Disney. He's like $10k an hour or something lol.
@@DannyBoy443 yikes. i dont think its dinner anymore but influence you are buying. i hope!
just like you hire politicians to speak at a dinner gala
@@aSSGoblin1488 True enough lol. Besides Eisner, he fixed Disney and oversaw most of the Marvel growth. And setup the streaming.
It is SO refreshing to listen to someone who actually knows what she's talking about on these matters. Sooo much noise, we must cherish clear signal wherever and whenever we find it.
To hear an expert in a field say "I don't know" is the most refreshing thing I've seen all year.
Nobody can look into the head of another human being, so anybody who claims to "know" what any other human being intends to do or set out to do, is deluded.
Look at the events, and then infer the underlying strategies of power. Ignore what any other human being says or thinks is "the truth".
@@ralphbernhard1757I agree to an extent.
On face value you cannot know what someone is going to do.
However if someone is motivated enough they can take the same principle your phone uses to know what you will want to buy, watch and then do.
The special forces when they have a target will list when they leave the house, when they go to the toilet, which room the toilet is in, can the walls of that room hold a small explosion, who else will be nearby, how many devices in the room. It keeps going.
We can predict people with scary accuracy to the point of knowing what you are 95% likely to do.
I’m 12 minutes into this conversation and this woman is a juggernaut, an absolute encyclopedia of history, war history. She incredibly smart and eloquent. i’m buying whatever book she has written
Why is this woman not President, or at least Sec of State or Natl Security Advisor? Oh well, Kamala is just as smart and articulate! And has won as many primary votes as Sarah!
we need more smart, articulate women like her. she's a pleasure to listen to, and she knows her stuff.
Her role is critical. She is educating our military leaders on western grand strategy.
Gee guys she is an analyst. She repeatedly admits she doesn't have the answer. She also clearly points out how WW2 was so bad because analysts ran the war.
She is as intelligent as a great warmonger liar
I cant believe I'm saying this about a 2.5 hour long podcast but I wish it was longer. She reminds me of my favorite history teacher I had growing up. Incredibly insightful, intelligent and you can tell she really cares. Awesome interview
This is just amazing recounts of history. Straightforward honest, direct, factual. I'm fortunate that I discovered Professor Paine. Thank you for posting this insightful interview. Nice work.
As someone from Ukraine, thanks to the chanell for posting this interview and special thanks to professor Paine for analysis, depth and breaking certain provocative narratives in a factual and respectful manner. I wish I'd see more such content on youtube.
Professor Sarah C. M. Paine is clearly one of the most intelligent, knowledgeable, and articulate person in the world.
First, she properly states the issues, ignoring the original (poorly stated) question.
Second, the depth of her knowledge is breathtaking.
Third, the answers are clearly stated with the key details.
Fourth, she tells you when she isn't qualified to answer your question.
She's also very good at distorting information to fool her naive and ignorant followers on issues regarding China.
Hardly. There’s a lot of stuff that she gets wrong, specifically about Taiwan, China, and Japan. The Russian stuff is debatable in my opinion.
@@MoosGoCow1 Without any specific rebuttal, it's hard to assign any value for your comment. You might as well have just said, "I disagree."
@@MoosGoCow1and your opinion is based on what?
Here I am writing an article on the disadvantages of monolinguism to literary history research, and the various types of multilingual elites, and she goes "oh, primary sources are fundamental, I read them very slowly". She is the hero Gotham needs and deserves
I speak 5 languages (excluding Classic Middle Egyptian and Coptic.) I am an aerospace engineer. Am I one of multilingual elite?
@@douglaswilkinson5700 you are man, that is cool
I am extremely jealous of people whose brains can wrap themselves around multiple languages. I’m a fluent English speaker, and I’m somewhat conversational in Spanish, but I’ve been learning Chinese (my wife is mainland Chinese) and I just cannot wrap my head around it or memorize any of the words or phrases I learn.
@@douglaswilkinson5700 I guess if you want
@@douglaswilkinson5700 why do you need Classic Middle Egyptian and Coptic for aerospace engineering?
Is it because the pyramids were made by aliens?
I'm a real history geek and I loved hearing Professor Paine tie this all together.
Americans are lucky to have such professors, I wish more people would be curious about the history of the world and especially about dictators and their thinking.
You believe that WEF mouthpiece for real...I pity your naivety.
@@niarlatotepbassetah yes, another contrarian troll who lives on conspiracy theories and distrusts actual facts and facts
Unfortunately we live in a time where, in many places, in many schools of thought, learning is a bad thing. You want to learn about the horrors of the past and the atrocities of evil men like these dictators? You must be some sort of fascist then, why else would you want to learn more? Some people just want everything bad to be expunged and redacted so we can be doomed to repeat what history would otherwise teach us not to do.
@@niarlatotepbasset We the vast majority pity your ignorance. You could not possibly have studied modern history and political science at a nationally ranked university, and then spent years in the National Archives in Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo and London like she did, and worked your way up in academic circles to be instructing at the world's top naval academy. So don't expect anyone to agree with you. We listen to experts, not trolls.
The problem is when Trump returns to the White House he aint listening to her or them.
For all this woman's vast knowledge, she is still quick to say "I don't know." I greatly appreciate that about her. She shows what she knows and openly tells us when she doesn't.
Agree. Having a sense of your own ignorance is an important component of high intelligence.
I started seeing shorts from this and got inspired to listen to the whole thing. How refreshing to know there are high level thinkers out there planning, teaching and creating stability and growth.
same, good job algorithms
Same same. Glad I found this.
Mrs. Paine is a wonderful speaker to listen too. I love how quick, concise and knowledgeable she is.
What I love the most about her is that she speaks like an elder statesman who wants to ready the next generation rather than talking down to them. Its like I spent a lifetime studying and here is what I learned, now its your turn to go study.
she talks like someone who loves history and just wants to talk about it after accumulating like 60 years of knowledge
well she is a professor at the naval war college, so i'd say that assessment is spot on.
Free Palestine from Hamas...
@@farzana6676 Off topic but to do that, Palestinians Must reject Hamas. No one else can end the terror between Israel and Hamas. A war only trains the next generations... on both sides.
@@argentum530 It is all a bit more complex. Both parties are equally bad agents. Isreal for unapologetically creating an "Untermensch" caste in society and actively engaging in appartheid against the Palestinians. The Palestinians are equally to blame to for not accepting that they lost, TWICE, and are now Israeli citizens. They have repeatedly forgone all possibilities for independence through their deliberate actions and multiple wars losing against Israel.
I really like this lady she speaks on such a level that is so accurate and advanced but also so accessible to the average person
i mean shes a teacher at one of the best schools in the US so
@@icyr0bin-794 Best school doesn't mean best teachers. She is very knowledgeable and an excellent teacher/researcher
You can tell she's really understood it
This is the best 2.5 hours on recent history ive ever spent. This is phenomenal. Sarah Paine is possibly one of the greatest historians ive ever run across. Thank you very much for creating this content.
She’s rather worryingly ignorant for someone in such a prestigious position. She seems totally unaware of the events of the 1930s and buildup to war. She then goes on to repeat popular myths like the necessity of the atomic bombs for ending the war with Japan. That’s just for starters
@@SworBeyE16 yeh she has a very specific selective memory
@@SworBeyE16that isn’t a ‘myth’ nor a ‘popular myth’.
On the contrary, folks like you rely on the popularity of condemning the bombings to advocate against them using anachronistic hindsight through rose-tinted glasses.
I learned so much, I’m gonna read all her shit
@@SworBeyE16I'm sure you'd do much better, lmao.
Prof Paine gave the most incredible and patient answers to many questions which were wildly speculative and almost incoherent at times, she's an amazing teacher. Patel has a lot to learn.
You could probably teach him. Asking counterfactuals is basically naziism 101. Wat a dooche
as a Taiwanese when heard she said "Taiwanese don't have this bitterness about Japan that the Koreans do"
I was really amaze by her understanding about our history.
It's such a subtle thing to know.
and the U.S. decision-making process is very important for Taiwanese to understand.
Because we face such huge problems and need to understand our allies better.
I would love to share this podcast to all my friend but some of them doesn't understand English that well.
It would be great if there were Chinese subtitles.
Sarah living in Taiwan and China for 3 years each sure helped formed her opinions and the vast esoteric knowledge she gained on the nuances of Taiwan/Japan relationships. This must have something to do with whom she spent some quality time with-the benshengrens (lol). These people had their roots on the island as far back as the 1600s and lived through the Imperial Japanese occupation period (1895-1945) and were treated well by the Japanese colonizers: they built the current infrstructures on the island that still exists today and propped up the local economy that the former Qing colonizers never bothered doing. The Chinese then viewed Taiwan as a backwater island occupied by belligerent "savages" (aborigines) and because of their bellicose resistance to Qing rule, they never had the full administration of the island except the western coastal plains.
Conversely, the minority waishengrens who migrated to Taiwan post 1949, at least the older generations who still recalled the Japanese atrocities they experienced while still living on the mainland, passed this resentment and hatred down to their younger generations, and have nothing but vengeful things to say about Japan, identical of that shared on the mainland. 🤷♂️
I have no idea how she can supposedly be an Eastern Europe expert and yet be completely wrong and utterly clueless about Russia, and yet intimately understand Taiwan.
Maybe it’s called being paid to put things in that way.
And I seriously never ever thought. I would see a person apologize Imperial Japan of all things!
Oh, and then she has the nerve to say communism is a failure and horrible after the communist rebuild all of central and eastern Europe following World War II, and killed a tiny fraction of the people in that area versus what Japan did to Taijuan while also exterminating the culture!
Oh, and the land reform thing being why Kai-shek lost the Civil War is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard!
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Yea you guys are cucked af
I lived in Japan for almost 20 years and have a Japanese wife and noticed the same thing. And it goes both ways, I have never heard a Japanese person speak ill of Taiwan or Taiwanese but have heard the worst about Chinese and Koreans.
@@kayumochi Agree. I wouldn't be surprised that the Japanese living on the main island during the Imperial colonization era before 1945 viewed the Formosans no different than that of their view of the Okinawans. They were both Japanese citizens albeit second rate, but citizens nevertheless. FWIW.
She is so intelligent and informed. What a pleasure to listen to her.
She is GOLD, really appreciate her intellectual posture. This is how an analyst or historian should speak, also our politicians should speak like that. Clear, to the point and when things are dubious, say "I don't know"
What I personally like was that as an expert which she clearly is, that she was not afraid to say I don't know. Which is so refreshing from and expert in my oppinion.
Besides her erudition and talent, she is also very gracious taking some of the weak questions and answering them properly and even with wit. Excellent!
I’m British and been subjected to British historians debating WW1 for decades and she sums up the error Britain made in getting involved in the WW1 land war in 2 sentences.
Unfortunately, whatever she said ignored several centuries of established strategy by the British Government. The whole basis of our involvement in WWI hinged on two things; 1. having a treaty obligation to go to the defence of Belgium, 2. refusing (in line with the general strategy since the time of Sluys in 1340) to have any adverse power in control of the Channel Coast of Continental Europe.
However, this is not to say that the main mistake was going to War with what was little more than a Colonial Gendarmerie, albeit an extremely well-trained and equipped one. When you have a military force of only 246,000 in total in 11 frontline divisions, you don't want to get involved with someone capable of fielding 251 frontline divisions en masse. And you definitely don't want to start shooting at them. In fact, by the end of November 1914, the original Field Army was virtually destroyed. However, there were cadres of surviving Regular non-coms to help train the Territorial Reserves and later the mass Conscripted Troops.
As an aside, by 1918, the Six British Field Armies had been so winnowed out qualitatively that they could not have survived against the Regular Army of 1914 but for their preponderance in Artillery and having Tanks. They could barely shoot worth a damn compared with their predecessors who shot for fun and for better pay.
@@petergaskin1811 There was no "oböigation" to defend Belgium.
The word "obligation" is s defined term, and GB didn't have a defense pact with Belgium which obliged anything.
If there is no obligation, there is only "choice." London chose war, to save France, which can be proven by archival entry. Something the lords knew young Brits would never fight for. So they invented "poor Belgium" as propaganda punchline.
Honestly, if you want to understand world war 1 you have to go back to Napoleon.
However, I don’t know if her knowledge goes that far back and it didn’t seem to be too relevant to the discussion.
@@jeremymullens7167 She did talk about the Napoleonic wars being the birthplace of nationalism, and how that - in turn - weakened the ability of nonadjacent colonizers to keep their colonies (in reference to Russia having its red army in place to keep them from becoming independent).
*She's amazing, a rare gem. I hope our government is paying attention and listening to her.*
She is not. She assumes so much it just makes a nonsense of that she says. Listen to john mersheimer he is light years ahead of this.
@@tonyclifton2230 The soft sciences have their statistical limitations and assumptions like any other field of study. NOTHING is without some assumption.
She is so knowledgeable . Everything that happened in the past has an effect on today. Wish more people were aware.
She has the answers right at her fingertips! What an incredibly intelligent, knowledgeable and wise lady.
She’s marvelous. The combination of brutal candor, wry humor, and willingness to seriously entertain all these hypotheticals is … chef’s kiss.
Honestly & some of these questions were bordering on "but what if the C&C Red Alert or Wolfenstein timelines were real??!"
@@InnuendoXPgot a little alt history pilled for a second here and there. 😂
If this woman is helping to educate our future military leaders, I say that bodes well for us all. If only she could help educate the masses as well, who need it as much or more.
She needs to educate our political leaders, since their decisions have the most effect on us.
The level of knowledge of Mrs. Paine is truly astonishing.
Just discovered this channel, wow , nice, with so much misinformation around having someone grounded is something that I appreciate greatly
This is great. This is what someone who genuinely knows geopolitics sounds like. Even her language and her cadence show her depth of knowledge. Would love to see lots more videos with her.
WOW!!! What just happened to 2 1/2 hours of my life!!! This video is outstanding, I was mesmerized by Mrs. Paine wide knowledge and understating of the political, economic, social, military, etc.!!!!!! Thanks for posting this!!!!
She's fucking brilliant
Dr. Paine
Professor Paine
I've seen a lot of comments criticising the interviewer for his stupid or silly what if questions, but he never pretends to be much more than a lay man with a better than average knowledge of history. He is giving us a great opportunity to ask these questions of an amazing expert like Paine. And she is so good that she conveys complex ideas so that anyone really can grasp them. Also asking what if? is a great way to understand better what actually did happen and what people's motivations were.
You know what, I thought the same as those other comments but you are totally right.
Her clarity of thought is off the charts
Individuals like this are really great at structuring the whole sentence before they even start speaking it. It's clear she chooses her words with great precision.
Rarely seen somebody asking questions that are that ill phrased and not prepared. She is constantly rephrasing this interview to keep it on point
That isn't really a fair diagnosis. In order to rephrase and ask better questions, you would need to know the material and the subject matter which would require an interview prior to this one. It goes back to the unknown, unknowns.
@@sattyre6892 nah this guy sucks
Yeah it was frustrating to listen to
Yeah man the interviewer is quite ignorant about history😂
I mean, look at the state of him...he is just a youtuber in all fairness...look at his satin tie, its so poorly knotted as he tries to look like a smart person but naturaly just ends up looking like a politician, blue at his age is hilarious...the beard trim template, this guy doesnt hear words like people and care just positive and success and awesome etc. People like this are the buffer between ourselves and people a life of education and impact on society, as is hers....
This lady is the most interesting person that I've seen in a long while; too long.
Such clarity. So well thought out! It's refreshing.
So pardon me now, whilst I binge on Sarah Paine material.
If anyone needs to be teaching the next generation of military decision makers, it’s her. The war college really got it right with getting this professor on board. Her extensive knowledge mixed with her ability to understand things from multiple perspectives is a vital way to teach such heavy and complex topics.
I'm really not crazy about the interviewer. Needs to slow down and enunciate (and maybe ask fewer questions about hypothetical counterfactuals)
But I'm in awe of Sarah C. Paine. Brilliant and so engaging.
I agree. Basically he should have her expand on each question and ask half as many.
He did ask some fantastic questions though. With some rounded context and nuance before he got to the core of the question. For someone not as well versed as her on these topics, he did a great job of pulling her where she needed to go to fill his gaps.
@@stevehatcher7700 I agree. He’s not an expert by any means, but his questions were solid, and she is great at picking up a question and expand its scope.
The rambling and unfinished sentences are quite irritating, he needs to slow down, perhaps sticking to a script would help him.
I suspect he is slightly in awe and nervous, which is understandable, but I do think he could do better
Fully in agreement. I was doing the washing up while listening to the video. This tempo sounds unprofessional at the level.
She modified each of his questions, ignored some completely, and wrote off others entirely. Perfect. Amateurism has its place in allowing more conversations to take place and get started, but it also has some severe drawbacks. She did a great job of steering around the drawbacks, and avoided wild speculation. 10/10 to Sarah Paine
Yeah, maybe he's just intimidated.
He’s asking the dumb questions that know-nothings ask.
Lmao alright @@colingenge9999
@@colingenge9999 Same thought. A bunch of dumb questions. Some of them felt very leading too. Like he wanted certain answers.
I'll say it. This interviewer sucks.
Honestly, I want more of her. Randomly saw a short of the interview and here I am. Idk about the channel yet, but damn I wanna hear Sarah talk
Excellent guest. The wealth of knowledge Paine has is incredible. Her strategic thinking is tempered by a world view that takes the motives of other nations into account.
I wish she had more lectures on you tube or any other platform, this is history education at its finest
It's so refreshing to listen to a Westerner that understands the dynamics of Eastern/Central Europe. As a Polish person I highly recommend this interview.
Just completely neglecting how y’all refused to let Russia into the union or into NATO and then impoverished it for over a decade and killed tens to hundreds of thousands of people by sponsoring terrorist groups in it and then wondering why Russia is unhappy with us and not interested in our bullshit.
I feel you. Average westoid has such a limited understanding of the situation listening to them is almost physically painful. This woman was a delight to listen to.
@@grimwaltzmanOf course most people are not specialists which is why we need to vote for competent people of character, not "those who agree with us."
Interesting how within Europe you refer to “Westerner” to distinguish Western Europe, but although we acknowledge that clarification as an American I’m more likely to refer to most of Europe in regards to “Western civilization”, focusing of recent history, cooperation & trajectory…
Fantastic interview. Can't believe she kept this up for 2 1/2 hours.
This woman is so articulate and knowledgeable. I could listen to her talk about history for hours. It’s nice to see someone who actually knows what they’re talking about unlike grifters like Jordan Peterson who talks about things he has no clue about.
Went from shorts to the whole thing. Great interview. Lectures from Ms. Paine would be a class I'd take any day.
Wow! The sheer gravitas of academia & intelligent insight into the perilous world we are living today was nothing short of majestic. Thank you so much for this video.
I think a conversation between Sarah and Peter Zeihan concerning Russia, China and Ukraine would be very fascinating.
Definitely, absolutely sure P. Zeihan knows of her and has read her books!
Has anything Peter Zelhan said come true? Is there anything important?
Ignorance squared
I think a seriously interesting conversation would be Perun and Sarah on an agreed to subject giving them both time to prepare.
@@gregorybrennan8539Russia invaded Ukraine. Pretty much when he said they would
I really wish more of our citizenry knew history like this lady...awesome!
I like the way she takes our narrow, biased, dismissive views and turns them around and looks at them objectively. It opens your eyes to another perspective.
Saying someone is stupid means you write off understanding what their reasons are.
Sara Paine
Exactly, this bothers me SO much when it comes to things like politics and other contentious issues. Each side just writes off the other with some made up epithet, and disregards them , totally blind to the fact that if hundreds of millions of people all think something that you disagree with, that still means that they all agree with each-other and there must be something to understand about what that is.
@@johnymey4034 Yes. But. Just because a lot of people agree does not mean "there must be something to understand". I would say there may be, not must be. There are some 3 million people who believe the world is flat. And others who believe that men can get pregnant. But yeah. We're on the same page here.
@@TK0_23_ there IS something to understand in both your examples, you're still thinking in half-court tennis. Understand does not mean agree, or accept.
I love Dr. Paine. In this video I love that so many answers starting with caveat, " A) I don't know, B) [In depth opinion]"
Sarah Paine, what a great historian and presenter. This woman has a great way of explaining history so well.
The insight by this intellegent woman! I so admire your ability to study war,interprete the failures & successes..thank you. I now fear, with tinyhands at the wheel, for the world at large.
This is fantastic. She's almost giving him therapy through dropping little life lessons. Seriously one of the best conversations I've seen between generations.
This isn’t a debate
@@Godfrey544 🤣🤣🤣
@@DannyBoy443 no i mean its not. its more like an interview. Or a general podcast conversation.
@@Godfrey544 Yes, I agree.
While the interviewer is irritating, it does feel like she's going after him. Unless he's a student and they have a prior educational relationship, it's very belittling and rude. Don't need to make someone feel like an idiot even if they are one.
This is quite simply the best conversation on foreign policy I've ever heard! Sarah Paine is amazing! Thank you!
Couldn’t agree more! You should have her on regularly. ❤
I really enjoyed listening to Professor Paine. My goodness what a wonderful teacher. A few glitches in the video transitioning , but otherwise thank you for allowing Professor Paine to speak and share her knowledge. Amazing
Its just as refreshing to see a truly insightful expert who will say "I don't know" as it is to read the comments of people who appreciate such things. I also enjoyed that some of her book recommendations were occasionally followed by "its not a fun read" and that you should read some of them slowly.
This channel chooses excellent interview subjects. Whoever is running that side of the channel (finding people to interview) is killing it, great job whoever you are
Best YT video I have watched in a while. It is strange and a bit sad how anachronistic the tone of this video is ... and I mean that in a good way. The level of analysis and knowledge somehow feels like it should be in an oak-lined office in a university somewhere, a far cry from the usual level. It's interesting that she confirmed a suspicion of mine that I had in college ... that China and Russia, even during the Cold War, followed the logic of land empires. When Henry Kissinger first visited China, the majority of talks were not about development or modernization of the economy, but about making sure the Soviets did not invade. And good on Dr. Paine for gutting it through the languages.
She is one of the most intelligent people I have ever heard speak on this topic. Incredibly cogent and decisive. I really enjoy how she gets to the point and speaks directly. She doesn’t mince words and it makes it easy to understand not only her personal positions on these topics but she also retains the rare ability to see things from others point of view.
Ppl like this need to be our teachers and leaders
There already are warmongers like her in the leading positions. I admire your naivety and lack of knowledge on her.
@@niarlatotepbasset
So she’s a warmonger cuz why ? She doesn’t think Russia should be able to just annex neighboring countries like the nazis ?
@@jsmith7348 Yes, the whiner (not you) who questions your comment is a less educated, misinformed troll who doesn't like hearing the truth espoused so logically to such a large reception. It's dangerous for the Kremlin for the world to realize their murderous intentions.
One of life’s biggest ironies is that those who genuinely deserve power often times don’t seek it. And those that abuse power intentionally seek it.
She is a teacher
PhD. Sarah Payne is such a fabulous speaker. I’d feel so blessed to be in any class she offered. These videos are university level stuff for free.
Excellent discussion. I admire Sarah's willingness to state she has 'no idea' about some things - the truth is there are some things we will never fully know or understand (particularly with regards to history).
This video should be mandatory viewing for all Americans, so much wisdom and intellect. Nicely done.
Dr Paine is really a joy to listen to. She speaks with confidence on what she knows (which is a lot) and isn’t willing to entertain discussions she can’t speak to. The level of intellectual honesty is such a breath of fresh air.
Love listening to this person talk. Intellectual, accurate, passionate, it is enlivening to hear them. If you read this, please commend them on my behalf. I’ll be waiting for more. Thank you
This woman has an intellect I can’t even come close to touching. That was mesmerizing
As a history buff…this woman is Chef’s kiss.
People like this, for me, deserve the adulation and following that sports superstars receive from their fans. Like, let's do a quick instant replay, zoom in on that brilliant concept she just threw out so quick. Damn, what a catch, incredible ball handling, what hands. Unearthly in its way, the conceptual clarity and insightfulness.
How has this fantastic person only just appeared on my youtube? Her mental clarity is astounding.
This woman is just insanely interesting. I cannot believe I listened to a 2.5 hour podcast and was annoyed when it was over! Absolutely brilliant.
This lady is brilliant. Honestly, my new favorite politico/ military thinker? Speaker? Strategist? Whatever she is, she's amazing. And shes RIGHT.
I'm thinking about whats going on now and its scary
Paine is a refreshing breath of truth. I would take her class right now to hear her lectures. God bless the truth and those who speak it🍸
Classic state approved RUSSIA BAD! SUPPORT CURRENT THING! Talking points.
Love the bit when she says "Well lets leave stupid out of it, because its non explanatory. By saying its stupid you write off understanding their reasoning." Really good thing to keep in mind when you're discussing these kinds of topics.
Her sarcasm about Stalin's dacha flew right over Mr. Patel's head. Gosh she's more aware than most I've followed.