Sarah C. M. Paine - WW2, Taiwan, Ukraine, & Maritime vs Continental Powers
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- I learned so much from Sarah Paine, Professor of History and Strategy at the Naval War College.
We discuss:
- how continental vs maritime powers think and how this explains Xi & Putin's decisions
- how a war with China over Taiwan would shake out and whether it could go nuclear
- why the British Empire fell apart, why China went communist, how Hitler and Japan could have coordinated to win WW2, and whether Japanese occupation was good for Korea, Taiwan and Manchuria
- plus other lessons from WW2, Cold War, and Sino-Japanese War
- how to study history properly, and why leaders keep making the same mistakes
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Transcript: www.dwarkeshpatel.com/p/sarah...
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Timestamps
(0:00:00) - Grand strategy
(0:11:59) - Death ground
(0:23:19) - WW1
(0:39:23) - Writing history
(0:50:25) - Japan in WW2
(0:59:58) - Ukraine
(1:10:50) - Japan/Germany vs Iraq/Afghanistan occupation
(1:21:25) - Chinese invasion of Taiwan
(1:51:26) - Communists & Axis
(2:08:34) - Continental vs maritime powers 
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Where has this lady been all my RUclips life?
Biased and US based view of things, so I wouldn't call it anything special. Although it is quite a rather nice watch, for free.
@@freshtoast3879no shit Sherlock ,she is an American and works in a government University
@butterchickenandnaan I was pointing out the inaccuracy of the original posters' viewpoint. Please don't point out obvious things..
@@freshtoast3879 that's not how the internet works
@@butterchickenandnaan OK.
saw a short, watched this full thing. regret nothing
Same😎
Yup, one short sent me searching for more. And the more was this 2 hour masterclass in geo-politics and history, and the global strategies that weave in between them. Wow.
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The fact that host he talks about death numbers in WW2 as if they were numbers on paper, while the lady talks about it with respect and a sense of unease shows that she knows much better about that horrifying part of history in Europe and Asia.
100% agree! I feel like there is this weird trend on the internet when talking about WW2 where the discussion devolves into who was the most evil, who killed the most people and weird speculative what if scenarios. In a way trying to make the topic as sensationalist as possible instead of really trying to understand what happened.
The professor snatched a good interview out of the jaws of these questions.
A cool flip of the old sports expression, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory . . . 😮
Dwarkesh kept asking the wrong questions and she was so keen on them to pivot to where she has expertise on. It shows incredible experience on her part to narrow down the topics to where she has such a profound knowledge and insight on and keep the conversation going. I gotta read her books.
Right?! He’s dripping in that super annoying isolationist undertone. He would have been the first to give up the Sudetenland in 1938.
Yeah I don't get why this guy has a following. He comes across so obnoxiously as an interviewer.
He’s new to questioning. She works at the naval academy. She’s guiding him for the future not her presence. He brought me to her. Not the other way around and now that I found her and I’m enthralled. He learned how to ask question. We learned about a genius that we never knew existed
Whenever the moderator asks a Zeihan style speculative question and she just says "I don't know". I appreciate that.
Totally agree! Now we know why we never see her on cable news! All of their supposed “experts” are constantly opining on topics they don’t know the answer to but get paid to speculate. Ugh…
My dad told me this a long time ago. "It's ok to say, I don't know"
This moderate is definitely liberal talking about Russians hating Stalin for his perges. But they feared him and the organized communist party. No leadership could step up with out getting shot. The tanks weren't great just good enough amd many of them
@@TheBlackAtlas Most "experts" never got that lesson.
It is so under appreciated in this time. For someone to have the honesty and say that is not my area.
I watched one short and then this whole video as well.
I had forgotten what it was like to actually learn things from a person who actually wants to teach them
She’s the dumbest historian I’ve ever heard
I mean, she's a Professor with a PhD. She's better be that good or the Naval War College is wasting money.
@@VT-mw2zb Did you not just hear what she said in this QA?? She said some of the dumbest things ive ever heard.
@@Immigrantlovesamerica what did you find dumb?
@@Immigrantlovesamerica Like what?
I sincerely wish (hope) that Dr Paine could have a weekly (or monthly) video for RUclips. This is the most cogent, articulate, and intelligent lecture on Global Strategic concepts that I've ever heard. It makes me wish The Naval War College had a community college off sight night classes.
Yea last time i saw a intelectual i really respected like this has to be Robert Sapolsky
😂
Nah you gotta pay for that, or sign up for the navy lmao.
Not even close unless you do not have a solid foundation in history. She is wrong about just as many things she is right about.
She is definitely a national treasure.
There's been a backlash on 'experts' for the past few years.
I miss them.
This woman is amazing.
I might have enjoyed history at school if I knew this kind of passion and knowledge existed.
I had a teacher like this and that's why I love history. Also agree re experts.... The world has gotten dumber, context and neuance are MIA
I must disagree; there's been a backlash against those who claim to possess "expertise"-or those who simply inherit the title "expert" because they're promoted by those with power-and this backlash only came _after_ constant social pressure forced us to submit to catastrophe after catastrophe under threat of censure or worse (now simply referred to as "cancellation"). When a significant portion of the population recognizes the so-called "experts" are barely better than a coin toss-and in many cases are motivated by personal interest or teb interests of those in power-the backlash is not only justified, it's long overdue and, in my estimation, hasn't been nearly as severe as it ought to have been.
@@DarrellVermilion nah, this is just the argument du jour, and it does not hold water. In fact, "threat of censure or worse" is fictitious in most cases, and brought about as a way to justify counter-expertise, by bringing in fringe opinions, without empirical data. Look at current water quality issues, water usage problems, regulatory attempts on pesticides, microplastic pollution, etc. It always follows the same steps:
Step 1 call it Liberal or Conservative and automatically generate a hostile crowd.
Step 2: find any counter opinion, share it.
Step 3: defend counter opinion not on it's merits but on cultural bias "they are hiding the truth" AND questioning the expertise of the initial, empirical opinion.
Its been the same way for a very long time. No bigger example than tobacco use, but lets not forget coal-based pollution, asbestos use, lead use, fracking practices, seat belt, helmet use, and the list goes on. Just last year the New Hampshire state legislative had some "expert" argue that helmets "do not increase rider safety" and that in fact "caused more accidents due to limited field of vision" by simply asking "do you think you could see more if you did not have your helmet" to accident survivors, without considering the effects of the actual helmet. All questions in regards to this "expert" were followed up by "cancel culture" accusations.
We have devolved to the point that people can claim the earth to be flat, and any and all comments to the contrary is another example of "cancel culture". The list goes on.
I am Polish - what she said about Eastern Europe and NATO is 100% true! We cannot not live our lives because of how Russians feel.
Well Poland should have never burned down Moscow in the first place. It’s called PTSD
Seriously that's over 400 years ago. Is that event really still relevant in modern Russian society?@@forzaacmilan36
@@forzaacmilan36 No. You can not justify current action based on something happening in 1611. If these people with "PTSD" died 400 years ago you can't use it as a argument for anything current.
@@forzaacmilan36is that a bit or are you actually that genuinely stupid?
It's not so much the Russian people but instead is the Russian leadership who want to put back into place a new kind of Soviet Union.
The depth of this woman's historical understanding and it's accompanying context is nothing short of awe inspiring. What a brilliant human. Thank you to everyone responsible for making this publicly available.
It was genuinely a public service.
Gratitude.
that’s what’s taking me in as well. this level of expertise is inspiring.
Something she overlooked was that the 1979 invasion of NK was a ploy with two goals: 1) Solidify the USA as an economic ally, and 2) waste a body of soldiers who were a political threat to the government's absolute control.
Something people don't understand about Taiwan invasion is that it will occur IF the government needs a political distraction to justify government control, and/or needs to get rid of its own soldiers.
Yes, gratitude to her.
He ruins the whole video.
She's actually a govt paid propagandist. But she does know some history, which is why she's actually good at her job.
Awe inspiring to the ignorant
It is unfortunate that the interviewer was not up to par but the effort is appreciated. This lady is quite a scholar
This woman is incredible. I am Ukrainian, and everything she said about Ukraine is incredibly accurate, which gives me confidence in trusting her opinions and conclusions about other countries she discussed. Thank you for bringing Sara Paine to RUclips. However, the interviewer seems to have a learning curve ahead of him, but it's a good start. I would suggest he ask fewer 'What if' questions and better connect his questions with Sara's previous answers. It seems like he had a prepared list of questions and didn't adjust them regardless of Sara's responses. Additionally, the interviewer inserted many personal opinions and giggles into his questions, which was distracting. Regardless of that, it is absolutely worth spending 2.5 hours listening to Sara Paine talking.
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I was hoping for a question about foreign ownership of land ownership in Ukraine. She says the military aid is inexpensive (relative to WW III?) but who is benefitting?
The interviewer put forward typical maga/kremlin talking points and she destroyed them easily and made him look like a chump.
@@propsychobably what do you mean by that? What foreign ownership question do you have?
@@derekflynn9644 I think, Kremlin’s propaganda narratives must be brought during the interview and answered by an educated pro-western person, otherwise the internet will be filled with answers only from pro-russian speakers.
“I can make bad spelling errors in numerous languages”. Her comment on reading source materials in the original languages. So much respect for her!
My friend put me onto this and it is mind blow after mind blow.
Also, a previous comment here so ignorant is that she is just American biased. Well yes but also the whole comment about sources in native languages!
What a gem she is!
@@GreenTimeEagleher word count to impact ratio is very impressive.
Why are most of the US academics poorly spoken, f.x. compared to OxBridge academics ?
There's nothing better than having somebody who really knows her subject explain important stuff to me. Best 2 ½ hours I've spent in while.
this could be better if professor has a visual vtuber anime avatar instead of older lady.
@@aSSGoblin1488 How on earth does that improve anything? What a stupid take.
Go workout or build something for two hours.
Mistake to trust her. I like her too, but these people don’t pay for consequences. If Elon Musks car company went bankrupt from bad cars, or all SpaceX rockets failed, he’d be forgotten and justly blamed for foolishness, and regardless of how smart he was. Not these academics though. They can be wildly wrong, and she is about Russia, no consequences, ever, as long as they have a good pitch.
@@Jonra1I think he was joking
Does she? American wars under her time would say her and her colleagues are fools.
Professor Sarah C. M. Paine is clearly one of the most intelligent, knowledgeable, and articulate person in the world.
First, she properly states the issues, ignoring the original (poorly stated) question.
Second, the depth of her knowledge is breathtaking.
Third, the answers are clearly stated with the key details.
Fourth, she tells you when she isn't qualified to answer your question.
She's also very good at distorting information to fool her naive and ignorant followers on issues regarding China.
Hardly. There’s a lot of stuff that she gets wrong, specifically about Taiwan, China, and Japan. The Russian stuff is debatable in my opinion.
@@MoosGoCow1 Without any specific rebuttal, it's hard to assign any value for your comment. You might as well have just said, "I disagree."
@@MoosGoCow1and your opinion is based on what?
For all this woman's vast knowledge, she is still quick to say "I don't know." I greatly appreciate that about her. She shows what she knows and openly tells us when she doesn't.
What I love the most about her is that she speaks like an elder statesman who wants to ready the next generation rather than talking down to them. Its like I spent a lifetime studying and here is what I learned, now its your turn to go study.
she talks like someone who loves history and just wants to talk about it after accumulating like 60 years of knowledge
well she is a professor at the naval war college, so i'd say that assessment is spot on.
Free Palestine from Hamas...
@@farzana6676 Off topic but to do that, Palestinians Must reject Hamas. No one else can end the terror between Israel and Hamas. A war only trains the next generations... on both sides.
@@argentum530 It is all a bit more complex. Both parties are equally bad agents. Isreal for unapologetically creating an "Untermensch" caste in society and actively engaging in appartheid against the Palestinians. The Palestinians are equally to blame to for not accepting that they lost, TWICE, and are now Israeli citizens. They have repeatedly forgone all possibilities for independence through their deliberate actions and multiple wars losing against Israel.
This women has two PHDs in Russian culture, and Chinese culture. An MIA from Columbia in Public Affairs, and an MA in Russian language. She also writes and works for the US Naval War College. She knows her stuff!!!
Did you hear ONE quote from the creator of mankind?
Have you heard ONE quote from any world leader lately?
WHY NOT ?!?
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded; But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof: I also will laugh at your calamity, I will mock when your fear cometh. Proverbs 1; 24-26
May 21, 2011 was the beginning of judgement day on the world { you were warned }
And it shall come to pass in that day, a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbor, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbor. Zechariah 14;13
'Tumult' = disbelief & confusion ...the answer: They are deliberately and purposefully blinded by the Lord. Ignorance and then even contempt.
Division is the result for the destruction of mankind! God has 'given up' mankind to his own sins as punishment. Romans chapter 1 lists 23 ...
Look around? ...followed world events lately? Division is worldwide in religions, politics, economics, industry, news, sports, entertainment, medicine, and even between the sexes.
The Lord is known by the judgement which he executeth, the wicked is snared in the work of his own hands. Higgaion. Selah. Psalm 9;16
Fear, and the pit, and the snare are upon thee O inhabitant of the earth. Isaiah 24;17
Yes, the Lord has already begun ruling the nations with a rod of iron (NOT for their good) ...professing themselves to be wise, they became as fools
READ THE BOOK ! ...or should have
No she does not.
@@manuelkim7064 What a great argument.
@@manuelkim7064 Google her, dork.
I love her
I’m British and been subjected to British historians debating WW1 for decades and she sums up the error Britain made in getting involved in the WW1 land war in 2 sentences.
Unfortunately, whatever she said ignored several centuries of established strategy by the British Government. The whole basis of our involvement in WWI hinged on two things; 1. having a treaty obligation to go to the defence of Belgium, 2. refusing (in line with the general strategy since the time of Sluys in 1340) to have any adverse power in control of the Channel Coast of Continental Europe.
However, this is not to say that the main mistake was going to War with what was little more than a Colonial Gendarmerie, albeit an extremely well-trained and equipped one. When you have a military force of only 246,000 in total in 11 frontline divisions, you don't want to get involved with someone capable of fielding 251 frontline divisions en masse. And you definitely don't want to start shooting at them. In fact, by the end of November 1914, the original Field Army was virtually destroyed. However, there were cadres of surviving Regular non-coms to help train the Territorial Reserves and later the mass Conscripted Troops.
As an aside, by 1918, the Six British Field Armies had been so winnowed out qualitatively that they could not have survived against the Regular Army of 1914 but for their preponderance in Artillery and having Tanks. They could barely shoot worth a damn compared with their predecessors who shot for fun and for better pay.
If this woman is helping to educate our future military leaders, I say that bodes well for us all. If only she could help educate the masses as well, who need it as much or more.
The most insightful thing she said is hearing her correct him in saying "Well, lets not call it stupid because that writes off their reasoning" That's MASSIVE maturity. That's the stuff Bob Iger starts w/ if you buy him lunch for an hour of his time lol.
the disney guy? what does that havr to do with
@@aSSGoblin1488lmao wth is bro yapping off about 😂💀
@@aSSGoblin1488 It's something he'd say. If you can afford it, you can book time w/ him for business advice. He has a Masterclass too but that's a side business since he left Disney. He's like $10k an hour or something lol.
@@DannyBoy443 yikes. i dont think its dinner anymore but influence you are buying. i hope!
just like you hire politicians to speak at a dinner gala
@@aSSGoblin1488 True enough lol. Besides Eisner, he fixed Disney and oversaw most of the Marvel growth. And setup the streaming.
This interviewer seems intent on asking 'what if' questions rooted in fantasy and lack of historical knowledge and political understanding. Dr. Paine does a great job of bringing it back to the real processes and concepts that are foundational to understanding.
She's very patient with him.
Yea I'd prefer to see Lex interview her
I was thinking exactly the same. Instead of extracting her knowledge to understand "what was and what is" and how we got here, he asks an historian, "what will".
Also, he has a lot of information, names, dates, stuff... But he doesnt connect the dots and ends up having what sounds like "immature views" in some cases.
Either way, I appreciate his humility to listen and correct course. Good vid.
And interviewers can't keep replying with "but," "but," "but."
(Valley girl accents don't help, either.)
@tryagainnoob101 my thoughts exactly.
She is GOLD, really appreciate her intellectual posture. This is how an analyst or historian should speak, also our politicians should speak like that. Clear, to the point and when things are dubious, say "I don't know"
After listening to Tucker Carlson's conversation with Alexander Dugin- which nearly gave me a brain cancer- I've found this interview particularly refreshing and curing.
Its notable that Dugin also embraces a continental vs maritime dicotomy of civilizations. But rather then addressing the wealth disparity he goes into a whole diatribe about the cosmopolitan, decadent, godless maratime west and how it must be defeated by Russia which is the "natural" hegemon of Eurasia (which he seems he forgot to tell the Chinese). It's not like this is a brand new idea ofcourse, Sparta and Athens really get this meme going and set the Navy/Democracy vs Army/Tyrany standard, irronically their war sees BOTH systems fail due to their cultural inadaquases, (Spartans to pathological elitism and refusal to backdown, and Athens to indesisivness and cowardly ally abandonment) and the the Thebans emerge dominant with a hybrid aproatch.
Bookmarking this to watch later. She is incredible, and it must have been an honor to have this conversation with her.
Huge fan! Really flattered to learn you listen!
You're clearly uneducated if you believe she's incredible.
What did you think of it? This is incredibly though provoking for me.
Dude, you are way too sappy.
@@DwarkeshPatel
Japan didn't invade "Manchuria" ... they invaded China in order to occupy it !
Then later set-up their puppet state of "Manchukuo" .
I like her emphasis on the human cost and suffering whenever he asks her to make a value judgment or comparison of policy or events. That shows that she has a decent moral core. People going into political fields often do not have that attribute and think mechanically because their foundation does not come from any doctrine of ethics. We have to recognize whenever discussing politics or history that real people suffered and died. We can't even comprehend the numbers we are discussing, so we detach ourselves because most of us won't even meet with more than a few thousand people in our lives. We won't ever see what a million people even look like. Millions become just numbers.
Fdr was a socialist he thought Stalin was fine
FDR's weakness lead to the war in the Pacific, just as chamberlins weakness lead to the European war.
Yes, you could see how Patel the questioner would ask common questions and narratives, and her responses are spot on. Like should the USA and UK have done as General Patton suggested and fought the Soviet Army to "liberate" East Germany, Poland and maybe the Baltics, Austria, Hungary and Czechoslavakia, or should the Western democracies have supported the White Russians to oppose the Bolsheviks, or wasn't Stalin a greater murderer than Hitler, or was dropping atomic bombs over Japan the right thing to do, or would a land invasion be the right strategy to save lives?
@@TeknoTim2002 The Whites would have been helped by Poland, the only country to actually defeat the Soviet Union in 1920. But the Whites wanted to recreate the Russian empire and enslave Poland. Hence we didn't help them. Note that Lenin was helped and sent to Russia by the Germans. The Germans created the monster of communist Russia. The Bolsheviks were aided by American money from New York. It's funny also how Red China was essentially made by Japan. In inflicting such heavy losses on KMT (and KMT on them) the Japanese allowed the Red to take over China. Now I suppose if PRC decides to attack Japan it will be their own chickens coming home to roost.
That right? Lot of soaring morality there. What then should US policy be? Ukraine war, nato? Because you provided nothing
This is great. This is what someone who genuinely knows geopolitics sounds like. Even her language and her cadence show her depth of knowledge. Would love to see lots more videos with her.
I’m 12 minutes into this conversation and this woman is a juggernaut, an absolute encyclopedia of history, war history. She incredibly smart and eloquent. i’m buying whatever book she has written
Damn, she is so smart, I could listen to her for hours. And the fact that she won’t comment on things she doesn’t have a background on speaks volumes!
That's my big take-away from this. One of them.
Rarely seen somebody asking questions that are that ill phrased and not prepared. She is constantly rephrasing this interview to keep it on point
That isn't really a fair diagnosis. In order to rephrase and ask better questions, you would need to know the material and the subject matter which would require an interview prior to this one. It goes back to the unknown, unknowns.
@@sattyre6892 nah this guy sucks
Yeah it was frustrating to listen to
Yeah man the interviewer is quite ignorant about history😂
I mean, look at the state of him...he is just a youtuber in all fairness...look at his satin tie, its so poorly knotted as he tries to look like a smart person but naturaly just ends up looking like a politician, blue at his age is hilarious...the beard trim template, this guy doesnt hear words like people and care just positive and success and awesome etc. People like this are the buffer between ourselves and people a life of education and impact on society, as is hers....
I wish she had more lectures on you tube or any other platform, this is history education at its finest
She is one of the most intelligent people I have ever heard speak on this topic. Incredibly cogent and decisive. I really enjoy how she gets to the point and speaks directly. She doesn’t mince words and it makes it easy to understand not only her personal positions on these topics but she also retains the rare ability to see things from others point of view.
Americans are lucky to have such professors, I wish more people would be curious about the history of the world and especially about dictators and their thinking.
You believe that WEF mouthpiece for real...I pity your naivety.
@@niarlatotepbassetah yes, another contrarian troll who lives on conspiracy theories and distrusts actual facts and facts
Unfortunately we live in a time where, in many places, in many schools of thought, learning is a bad thing. You want to learn about the horrors of the past and the atrocities of evil men like these dictators? You must be some sort of fascist then, why else would you want to learn more? Some people just want everything bad to be expunged and redacted so we can be doomed to repeat what history would otherwise teach us not to do.
@@niarlatotepbasset We the vast majority pity your ignorance. You could not possibly have studied modern history and political science at a nationally ranked university, and then spent years in the National Archives in Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo and London like she did, and worked your way up in academic circles to be instructing at the world's top naval academy. So don't expect anyone to agree with you. We listen to experts, not trolls.
The problem is when Trump returns to the White House he aint listening to her or them.
She’s marvelous. The combination of brutal candor, wry humor, and willingness to seriously entertain all these hypotheticals is … chef’s kiss.
Honestly & some of these questions were bordering on "but what if the C&C Red Alert or Wolfenstein timelines were real??!"
Incredibly fascinating! Absolutely in love with this woman and her clarity!
What an incredible mind. Being able to deconstruct his questions to ask better ones that include context. Amazing watch, thank you for sharing!
as a Taiwanese when heard she said "Taiwanese don't have this bitterness about Japan that the Koreans do"
I was really amaze by her understanding about our history.
It's such a subtle thing to know.
and the U.S. decision-making process is very important for Taiwanese to understand.
Because we face such huge problems and need to understand our allies better.
I would love to share this podcast to all my friend but some of them doesn't understand English that well.
It would be great if there were Chinese subtitles.
Sarah living in Taiwan and China for 3 years each sure helped formed her opinions and the vast esoteric knowledge she gained on the nuances of Taiwan/Japan relationships. This must have something to do with whom she spent some quality time with-the benshengrens (lol). These people had their roots on the island as far back as the 1600s and lived through the Imperial Japanese occupation period (1895-1945) and were treated well by the Japanese colonizers: they built the current infrstructures on the island that still exists today and propped up the local economy that the former Qing colonizers never bothered doing. The Chinese then viewed Taiwan as a backwater island occupied by belligerent "savages" (aborigines) and because of their bellicose resistance to Qing rule, they never had the full administration of the island except the western coastal plains.
Conversely, the minority waishengrens who migrated to Taiwan post 1949, at least the older generations who still recalled the Japanese atrocities they experienced while still living on the mainland, passed this resentment and hatred down to their younger generations, and have nothing but vengeful things to say about Japan, identical of that shared on the mainland. 🤷♂️
I have no idea how she can supposedly be an Eastern Europe expert and yet be completely wrong and utterly clueless about Russia, and yet intimately understand Taiwan.
Maybe it’s called being paid to put things in that way.
And I seriously never ever thought. I would see a person apologize Imperial Japan of all things!
Oh, and then she has the nerve to say communism is a failure and horrible after the communist rebuild all of central and eastern Europe following World War II, and killed a tiny fraction of the people in that area versus what Japan did to Taijuan while also exterminating the culture!
Oh, and the land reform thing being why Kai-shek lost the Civil War is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever heard!
A G E N D A
Yea you guys are cucked af
I lived in Japan for almost 20 years and have a Japanese wife and noticed the same thing. And it goes both ways, I have never heard a Japanese person speak ill of Taiwan or Taiwanese but have heard the worst about Chinese and Koreans.
@@kayumochi Agree. I wouldn't be surprised that the Japanese living on the main island during the Imperial colonization era before 1945 viewed the Formosans no different than that of their view of the Okinawans. They were both Japanese citizens albeit second rate, but citizens nevertheless. FWIW.
So refreshing to hear this type of conversation outside of a classroom. Please do more
If you like warmongers like her, then yeah...you also have them on tv, less classy, but nevertheless the same warmongering narrative.
Somehow watching this video is helping me write an essay. Watch a segment -> write a part to completion (linguistics so unrelated to the video) -> watch some more -> write more -> repeat
I'm so glad I've come across this lady from my RUclips shorts. Absolutely brilliant.
I thought I would watch a few minutes of this and go to bed. It's now 12:39 AM and I regret nothing. Her insight about Maritime vs Continental strategies is fantastic and makes total sense.
00:40 in my time zone. Didn't miss - nor regret - a minute. Fantastic content!
The same here in Denmark 😆🤣 She’s too so amazing
She so fascinating and the way she conveys information is excellent
That's something that up until about an hour ago was an unknown unknown. I had never even thought about the U.S. being a maritime country, much less how that affects its place in the world.
I really like this lady she speaks on such a level that is so accurate and advanced but also so accessible to the average person
i mean shes a teacher at one of the best schools in the US so
@@icyr0bin-794 Best school doesn't mean best teachers. She is very knowledgeable and an excellent teacher/researcher
You can tell she's really understood it
The highest quality interview I have seen in years. I have rewatched this 2 times. Wonderful conversation. Saturated with quality high quality arguments and facts
This lady is so knowledgeable and she communicates so clearly
WOW!!! What just happened to 2 1/2 hours of my life!!! This video is outstanding, I was mesmerized by Mrs. Paine wide knowledge and understating of the political, economic, social, military, etc.!!!!!! Thanks for posting this!!!!
She's fucking brilliant
Dr. Paine
Professor Paine
I cant believe I'm saying this about a 2.5 hour long podcast but I wish it was longer. She reminds me of my favorite history teacher I had growing up. Incredibly insightful, intelligent and you can tell she really cares. Awesome interview
Professor Paine is very insightful, well read, firm, no nonsense, and knowledgeable. And I have to admire her patience especially on half court tennis pov that Prof Paine pretty much pointed out at the interviewer which I fully agree upon. Regardless, thanks to this content that I came across her material.
i could listen to this lady all day. wow. she's so knowledgeable and enthusiastic it's infectious!
I'm really not crazy about the interviewer. Needs to slow down and enunciate (and maybe ask fewer questions about hypothetical counterfactuals)
But I'm in awe of Sarah C. Paine. Brilliant and so engaging.
I agree. Basically he should have her expand on each question and ask half as many.
He did ask some fantastic questions though. With some rounded context and nuance before he got to the core of the question. For someone not as well versed as her on these topics, he did a great job of pulling her where she needed to go to fill his gaps.
@@stevehatcher7700 I agree. He’s not an expert by any means, but his questions were solid, and she is great at picking up a question and expand its scope.
The rambling and unfinished sentences are quite irritating, he needs to slow down, perhaps sticking to a script would help him.
I suspect he is slightly in awe and nervous, which is understandable, but I do think he could do better
Fully in agreement. I was doing the washing up while listening to the video. This tempo sounds unprofessional at the level.
I started seeing shorts from this and got inspired to listen to the whole thing. How refreshing to know there are high level thinkers out there planning, teaching and creating stability and growth.
same, good job algorithms
Same same. Glad I found this.
Dr Paine is really a joy to listen to. She speaks with confidence on what she knows (which is a lot) and isn’t willing to entertain discussions she can’t speak to. The level of intellectual honesty is such a breath of fresh air.
Prof. Sarah Paine is a GEM! Good Lord who has been hiding this amazing woman?!!
Her clarity of thought is off the charts
Individuals like this are really great at structuring the whole sentence before they even start speaking it. It's clear she chooses her words with great precision.
This is the best 2.5 hours on recent history ive ever spent. This is phenomenal. Sarah Paine is possibly one of the greatest historians ive ever run across. Thank you very much for creating this content.
She’s rather worryingly ignorant for someone in such a prestigious position. She seems totally unaware of the events of the 1930s and buildup to war. She then goes on to repeat popular myths like the necessity of the atomic bombs for ending the war with Japan. That’s just for starters
@@SworBeyE16 yeh she has a very specific selective memory
@@SworBeyE16that isn’t a ‘myth’ nor a ‘popular myth’.
On the contrary, folks like you rely on the popularity of condemning the bombings to advocate against them using anachronistic hindsight through rose-tinted glasses.
I learned so much, I’m gonna read all her shit
@@SworBeyE16I'm sure you'd do much better, lmao.
What a brilliant teacher. I wish I could sit in her classes everyday.
Me too. And I’m real glad she teaches where she does
Sarah CM Payne and victor Davis Hanson are a treasure trove of military historical knowledge and wisdom.
Here I am writing an article on the disadvantages of monolinguism to literary history research, and the various types of multilingual elites, and she goes "oh, primary sources are fundamental, I read them very slowly". She is the hero Gotham needs and deserves
I speak 5 languages (excluding Classic Middle Egyptian and Coptic.) I am an aerospace engineer. Am I one of multilingual elite?
@@douglaswilkinson5700 you are man, that is cool
I am extremely jealous of people whose brains can wrap themselves around multiple languages. I’m a fluent English speaker, and I’m somewhat conversational in Spanish, but I’ve been learning Chinese (my wife is mainland Chinese) and I just cannot wrap my head around it or memorize any of the words or phrases I learn.
@@douglaswilkinson5700 I guess if you want
@@douglaswilkinson5700 why do you need Classic Middle Egyptian and Coptic for aerospace engineering?
Is it because the pyramids were made by aliens?
This is fantastic. She's almost giving him therapy through dropping little life lessons. Seriously one of the best conversations I've seen between generations.
This isn’t a debate
@@Godfrey544 🤣🤣🤣
@@DannyBoy443 no i mean its not. its more like an interview. Or a general podcast conversation.
@@Godfrey544 Yes, I agree.
Blown away by this person. Such insight and depth of knowledge!
Paine is an incredibly graceful and knowledgable guest.
"Let's try North Korea... the country that has starvation in the 21st century. Howwwww diiiiiiiiiiid you do it?" She went in so hard on NK I screamed.... LOL😂🤣😂
They stayed over 50,000 ++ of their own people and still counting. 😢
100% correct. professor could also have a vtuber anime avatar instead of older lady irl
1:06:00 cute intelligent anime waifu sass
I came to the comments for this exactly xD
You don't even realise the propaganda when it's fed to you. US is the biggest propagandists of all. Of course you will say no because you believe there is still starvation in North Korea because petals Washington Post told you so , a media funded by CIA as well
She modified each of his questions, ignored some completely, and wrote off others entirely. Perfect. Amateurism has its place in allowing more conversations to take place and get started, but it also has some severe drawbacks. She did a great job of steering around the drawbacks, and avoided wild speculation. 10/10 to Sarah Paine
Yeah, maybe he's just intimidated.
He’s asking the dumb questions that know-nothings ask.
Lmao alright @@colingenge9999
@@colingenge9999 Same thought. A bunch of dumb questions. Some of them felt very leading too. Like he wanted certain answers.
I'll say it. This interviewer sucks.
this was one of the best 2.5 hours I ever spent.
It's like you need to spend 7.5 hours taking notes and absorbing it. In the long run you save time because she's covered the history with impeccable accuracy so you'll hardly need to watch most YT tie-ins between history and current events.
Absolute treasure this lady
She has the answers right at her fingertips! What an incredibly intelligent, knowledgeable and wise lady.
This is quite simply the best conversation on foreign policy I've ever heard! Sarah Paine is amazing! Thank you!
Couldn’t agree more! You should have her on regularly. ❤
I could listen to Dr. Paine talk forever. Fascinating and refreshing.
I could listen to her talk about history all day.
*She's amazing, a rare gem. I hope our government is paying attention and listening to her.*
She is not. She assumes so much it just makes a nonsense of that she says. Listen to john mersheimer he is light years ahead of this.
@@tonyclifton2230 The soft sciences have their statistical limitations and assumptions like any other field of study. NOTHING is without some assumption.
Ppl like this need to be our teachers and leaders
There already are warmongers like her in the leading positions. I admire your naivety and lack of knowledge on her.
@@niarlatotepbasset
So she’s a warmonger cuz why ? She doesn’t think Russia should be able to just annex neighboring countries like the nazis ?
@@jsmith7348 Yes, the whiner (not you) who questions your comment is a less educated, misinformed troll who doesn't like hearing the truth espoused so logically to such a large reception. It's dangerous for the Kremlin for the world to realize their murderous intentions.
One of life’s biggest ironies is that those who genuinely deserve power often times don’t seek it. And those that abuse power intentionally seek it.
She is a teacher
Through history, most diplomats spoke multiple languages. And she is 100% correct that reading a lot and learning a different language does effect how you think and how you view the world. Reading fiction, taught me to use my imagination and it also taught me what I love and what I hate. Having lived in Japan for 22 years, taught me how to argue in Japanese, how to love in Japanese and that made me culturally Japanese. So adding those ticks to your being. Living long term in another country, helps you understand a different way of being. Listen to Sarah C. M. Paine, she has so much wisdom.
It's quite amazing to look at the Founding Fathers of the American Republic and how many languages they spoke, in fact all the way up to Lincoln, Presidents were, if you like, classically educated.
I saw several shorts and I was intrigued by the both of you and I had to watch this video. It took three sittings but I couldn't watch anything else till I finished it. She is amazing and the combination of your great well informed questions and her knowledge and intuitive responses was riveting. The way you so obviously appreciate her work is charming. Well worth the time.
"I read slowly, with big dictionaries" - as someone who tried and failed to learn kanji, I appreciate her pain.
Yeah, I feel you. Using alphabet is just widely different than using pictograms. Even trying to find a kanji you don't understand in dictionary is a challenge
Sarah Paine, what a great historian and presenter. This woman has a great way of explaining history so well.
As someone from Ukraine, thanks to the chanell for posting this interview and special thanks to professor Paine for analysis, depth and breaking certain provocative narratives in a factual and respectful manner. I wish I'd see more such content on youtube.
The sign of a true scholar is not the summary of what they know, but to admit when they do not!. Wonderful podcast!!
I love Dr. Paine. In this video I love that so many answers starting with caveat, " A) I don't know, B) [In depth opinion]"
This video should be mandatory viewing for all Americans, so much wisdom and intellect. Nicely done.
Excellent, both individuals. Sarah Paine utterly astonishing. She provides really powerful intellectual perspectives on social structure, and geopolitical strategy. I could listen to her all day.
2,5 hours well spent. What an absolutely pleasure it must be to attend the lectures of professor Paine. Few academics can communicate complex insights as clearly as her, while placing them in the bigger picture. And my hat off to you as well Dwarkesh. An interview is only as good as the questions asked. And you really did your homework.
Fantastic interview. Can't believe she kept this up for 2 1/2 hours.
She is so intelligent and informed. What a pleasure to listen to her.
Dr. Paine is, like the kids would say these days, based AF. Facinating talk.
This has been very informative for me to experience. I have quite a bit of reading to do now. Thank you Dwarkesh Patel, for hosting Sarah C.M.Paine.
Sarah Paine is my new favourite person I don't know.
my family is Paine but without the E
I literally feel like I'm back in basic training in our class times. Having NCOs, field level officers and higher ranking officers teaching us from how to properly do bounding to overall strategy of theoretical wars.
Fell asleep then. Can’t get enough of it now lol.
I saw so many of these shorts and finally had to come watch this brilliant lady. One word: WOW! 😮
Paine is a refreshing breath of truth. I would take her class right now to hear her lectures. God bless the truth and those who speak it🍸
Classic state approved RUSSIA BAD! SUPPORT CURRENT THING! Talking points.
Buying her books, she is insanely intelligent and I actually feel like I understand the world so much better now.
Dr. Paine should be the Secretary of State, but that makes too much sense. One of the smartest most common sense people I have ever listened to! So impressive.
To hear an expert in a field say "I don't know" is the most refreshing thing I've seen all year.
This lady is incredibly knowledgeable. Thoroughly enjoyed watching this
I think a conversation between Sarah and Peter Zeihan concerning Russia, China and Ukraine would be very fascinating.
Definitely, absolutely sure P. Zeihan knows of her and has read her books!
Has anything Peter Zelhan said come true? Is there anything important?
Ignorance squared
I think a seriously interesting conversation would be Perun and Sarah on an agreed to subject giving them both time to prepare.
@@gregorybrennan8539Russia invaded Ukraine. Pretty much when he said they would
Impressive lectures by Madam Paine. This is a great talk
Saw the shorts, looked for this and listened to it all the way through. Thank you this was so interesting. Your questions and folow up questiins were great and she speaks w such precise, clear easy to understand answers.. this was the best thing ive listened to in a long time.
This woman has an intellect I can’t even come close to touching. That was mesmerizing
Went from shorts to the whole thing. Great interview. Lectures from Ms. Paine would be a class I'd take any day.
Wow she is fascinating to watch. I learned so much
I really enjoyed listening to Professor Paine. My goodness what a wonderful teacher. A few glitches in the video transitioning , but otherwise thank you for allowing Professor Paine to speak and share her knowledge. Amazing
Excellent discussion. I admire Sarah's willingness to state she has 'no idea' about some things - the truth is there are some things we will never fully know or understand (particularly with regards to history).