Cricket is world's second biggest sport, only with Indian audience. If chess is popular in india, it can sustain just because of this. I've seen magnus sponsored by random indian t0bacco company. And mega conglomerates like tata and mahindra already interests in chess.
Oh brother... You're telling me that genius chess boy doesn't know what he can wear or not? What does the corporate world of America have to do with what people can and can not wear in chess?? Why is chess still enforcing sexist and racist rules across the entire planet???
Exactly. We (yk, the audience who give FIDE money, especially since they -don't- _can't_ get any sponsorships) know what's up. FIDE has a very lengthy history of treating the players very poorly. Chess is better off without them. Let Freestyle become the main Chess corporation. Magnus got them into esports with the biggest prize in Chess history. FIDE can't get any sort of sponsors whatsoever.
Yep, they need to get over themselves & join modern day norms vs alienating thee most captivating player. He was already annoyed w/their monopoly-forming moves so this was a stupid move on their part fs. I see a standing FU to FIDE from Magnus coming soon. (They'll regret it.)
I hate Wearing shirts and Very much prefer T-shirts without collar.. So I can't participate in Fide Games??? .. dang, Can't believe my journey to becoming World champion ended this early
@@sudhanshupandey6246 hey man don't play stupid, t-shirts aren't really a formal wear 😀i would never wear a t-shirt to a business meeting or a court, would you? Jeans are fine, we all know that.
I'm with Magnus on this. Those players are playing chess. We the spectators are watching chess. Nobody gives a damn about what pants the players wear, unless you are FIDE.
I'm with Magnus on this too. also it's understandable that tournaments can have dress codes. eg. Wimbledon. Fide should just say: fine you wore it today we are not making the situation bigger, but please don't come with jeans tomorrow. it was this easy
chess is considered a sport. if you think about taking the field without respecting the rules you will be eliminated. Happy to keep watching the competition without carlsen.
@@michelmichelem Chess isn't a sport anyway, it's a board game. I don't care what some officials say. Chess, darts and snooker are games, not sports. Also, Magnus was correct on this issue.
Magnus and Hikaru should just stream a long battle royale over the next few days. Everyone would watch it. Everyone would love it. And Chess would go on.
Be boring after a few games. Same can be said about any 2 players in any sport. Carlsen doesn't have as much clout as he thinks, just like Kasparov. This is just entertainment, not essential.
Well to say truth, this time both of them would lose the tournament but still if they starter streaming now again normal championship streams it would be propably huge
@@pianojonathan Nobody will give a fuck about Magnus 2 years down the line of inactivity. His ego is not above the rules set which he agreed to abide by Before the match began.
FIDE blew it big time. We bring one of the most prestigious chess tournaments to the Big Apple and the most memorable and ridiculed event will be FIDE penalizing arguably the best player ever because he wore a pair of jeans! OMG! This is unbearably embarrassing.
Embarrassing because an experienced chess player does not respect the dress code and is too jaded to make an effort when asked to comply? I like Carlsen, but he is hurting the sport by making it a "matter of principles". What "principle" die he uphold here? "I shall not be asked to comply to rules."?
@@coolcat23 First of all "dress code" is not that big a deal that the GOAT of the game has to be "kicked" out. He was fined, be payed the fine and said would change the next day. Wasn't as if he was naked or in a hip-hop outfit either. Your mind is lost just like FIDE's
@coolcat23 there are levels to this and as he said in his comments he was just fed up with them. People make mistakes and in this case he made a mistake. If he worse something offensive or a pink kangaroo uniform then I'd understand why they'd need to forbid him from competing. But his attire was not offensive. Give him a fine and a warning for a larger fine and life goes on. Instead this has been a major blow to chess and FIDE blew it out of proportion. Like it or not, Magnus is a celebrity and is a major luminary of the sport. The chief arbitrer was taking photos of players with his phone and sending them to his boss in Egypt to get an approval? They are insufferable fools.
@@loneranterism Remember that it already has when Kasporov and Short became fed up with FIDE. Hikaru is right there alongside Magnus with thr Freestyle stuff. Several other players will follow suit now that Magnus has had his final straw with them
What a stupid rule. FIDE have been fucking up chess for a long time. All the way back to the days of Bobby Fischer and even earlier than him. FIDE has been corrupt since the days of Botvinnik. A new sensible organisation needs to take over chess. FIDE has been crap for decades.
@@prateekc7804 FIDE rules: "Jeans are generally not considered acceptable". Stupid rule. Who determines generally? Also players in the past have worn dress shoes and FIDE fined them for being running shoes, see Anna-Maja's tweet. Also what a ridiculous rule to begin with? Why can't you play chess in comfortable semi-formal attire? There's literally no reason to back this archaic bs
@@alekhinesgun9997 it's already mentioned, it's nothing new, if you want to participate follow the rules, is that much complicated for the players to understand the dress code
@@prateekc7804 You saying "it's already mentioned" doesn't add any clarity whatsoever. You addressed nothing. The only thing you're correct in saying is that it's nothing new, that only means that they won't change unless theres unrest and a reason to change.
This is about "Carlsen behaviour" not "FIDE behaviour". Carlsen knew the dress code and the arbiter (not FIDE directly) enforced it. Nothing to be seen except Carlsen not wanting to respect the dress code.
@@iridium8341 The beginning of the end 😂😂 He won 12 tournaments this year for 14 participations i think. 2nd when he doesn't win. Did an absolute Masterclass at TataSteel in India both blitz and Rapid and CCT last week, where might be your idol, always in Magnus shadow. You suffer for almost 15 years ! 1st rating in blitz, rapid and classical still ! By miles ! The others can barely win when Magnus is here, it's a fact. Take pills !
So many individuals are working so hard to modernize chess. Live streaming and commentary, the TAKE TAKE TAKE app, and lots of YT recaps that cater to all players with different strengths. Meanwhile FIDE with their elitist ideals is still stuck in the past and shooting themselves in the leg. Please I want to watch Magnus play. I can’t care less about what he’s wearing.
Exactly your point! So many people working hard. Fans following the event for magnus and what does he do? He doesn't comply with the rules. Why so? Also fide cannot change rule for 1 player even if he is magnus. It would've been unfair to ian if they would've allowed magnus to play without changing. It just goes to show that magnus took it in a wrong way instead of complying so it's definitely a sad day for chess and for the fans
@@davidfleb Did you even watch the whole video or just the headline? FIDE is harassing players to not play the Freestyle events. And yes rules are rules. But FIDE can bend them, which they did in the past.
@@hantergidiCan it. This wasn't about his performance or jeans. It was about how FIDE, who is nothing but an unelected dictatorship, tried to threaten everyone who considered playing freestyle chess with a ban from FIDE events. You don't piss off the GOAT of Chess and expect to get away with it.
Nepo made a good point about how it's weird how at a chess event what is being talked about is fashion and not chess. If the top chess players made an alternative to FIDE, they would know how it should be regulated and I bet you it would surpass FIDE.
FIDE complaining that the players don't want to do press interviews or side events for free really shows their hand here. They really want players to sit down, shut up and dance around for FIDE with no real compensation. If FIDE wants chess to be a 'real sport' then it needs to treat the players like 'real' athletes.
@@ashkiin8493 In other sports the players are salaried. The media duties are part of why they get compensated. Chess players are not compensated by FIDE.
@@ashkiin8493They definitely don’t have to wear “business casual” to compete or do press in most other sports, though. They usually wear something that allows them to feel comfortable and play well. And players get to show a lot more individuality in their fashion in the most popular sports!
So anyone playing under the FIDE banner cannot compete in any outside events labeled as a world championship? FIDE doesn’t own the rights to “world champion.” That’s some high level arrogance on FIDE’s part.
Gives vibes of The Fine Bros trying to trademark "React" on RUclips some years ago. Just because someone is the biggest supplier of a type of content doesn’t give them ruling powers of said content..
@ I’m going to guess you meant to say “doesn’t give them...” And I agree. Being the “industry standard” doesn’t give them authority over what others can call their championship tournaments. It would be one thing if they were calling it the World Chess Championship which I do believe is owned by FIDE but I could be wrong. But if Magnus and some of the super GMs decide to form the Professional Chess Federation (with a nod to Kasparov’s defunct Professional Chess Association) and bill their major tournament as the PCF World Championship then that’s completely copacetic. It’s kind of like the PGA telling golfers that if they play for the upstart LIV golf organization that they won’t be welcomed back to PGA events which is just ridiculous and actually did happen.
@@dr.floridamanphd that’s what I meant ofc, thanks :) I don’t get why these major event orgs are so scared of smaller groups holding tournaments. It’s one thing to not recognize player rankings in any league but their own, but by trying to maintain market monopoly they are just shooting themselves in the foot…
Bobby would wear jeans to every FIDE tournament if this was the case and dare them to disqualify him. This is not about chess anymore. It’s about arrogance and dominance.
Same! I was only watching because of Magnus. I only started getting into chess recently and was inspired to try chess because of him. I really enjoyed watching the Champions Chess Tour where Magnus won. Now this happens 😢
I understand that they don't want to be accused of applying a different set of rules to Magnus compared to everyone else but generally they just seem stuck in the past in a world where the audience expects to see players in suits looking unrelatable and the whole thing seeming very formal. They need to get beyond this because it's not the future of chess, it's the past. If they want it to grow they need to move with the times and what the contemporary audience wants to see and cares about.
They very easily could have just applied another fine if they really wanted to do something, and just let him come back tomorrow with what they deem appropriate. FIDE screwed themselves big time.
@@CorvetteAustin24 he was given time until 3 rounds. Some were fined for minor violation but it was easy for them to continue as they just had to remove their sweater before next round. In this case obviously he would have to leave the venue to change pants. Fide is being quite flexible with him and actually going out of the way to accommodate his requests. Its hard to believe magnus forgot about dress code on day 2
@@sdragon28 yes that is flexibility in other sports you're getting disqualified at the moment even if you're usain bolt or anyone. You don't have to maintain weight or water intake in chess like other sports even then you can't wear proper attire? Isn't that arrogance if they're not in your way you run away? This was pre planned move by magnus coz he came with proper attire in first day and now this and left by saying f to fide. We know he wants to be kasparov so badly
@@NoahVM12 This is literally not even true. Michael Jordan played an entire season in his Jordans which was against the rules and what happened? He got fined for every game he played in them, but was in no way disqualified.
A sweater is absolutely acceptable attire in an office. It wouldn't fly for, say, a lawyer in court...but neither would a polo shirt or a bunch of advertisements on your clothing.
So what's your point? A sweater not flying for a lawyer in court is also an arbitrary decision. The point is, if there is a dress code in place and the players sign up to the dress code, then they should stick to it. If they don't like the dress code, then don't agree to play. If you think the dress code is unreasonable, that is a separate issue. Once you have signed up to it, you lose your right to violate it without consequence.
I believe "dress code" is just the tip of the iceberg.. There is more in it than meet the eyes.. First it was Magnus Carlsen refusing to defend his World Champion title with classical format of chess.. Then there is freestyle chess thing, which FIDE did not see eye to eye with.. Now both sides are not backing down.. I believe this will be the end of the relationship between Magnus Carlsen and FIDE..
Nah that's not rival but just like an annoying shit system with law and rule nerd that he needs to face each time he wants to enjoy chess with great players
As someone who has officiated in sports events, I don't like the wording around jeans "generally" not being considered appropriate attire, because that puts the official in a very uncomfortable position when they are asked to enforce it. The penalty seems over the top as well. Whole thing is not a great look, but there's obviously more going om than just this.
How can a shirt with 7386 logos on it is more appropriate and formal than a simple sweater or jean? They literally say outfit at 9:10 is more acceptable than Ian's sweater at 9:40 and I think they are doing this on purpose to milk these geniuses and monetize their fame with drama they deliberately create.
Exactly... the dress code rules are vague and up to interpretation for arbiters. They deem that Hikaru and Duda look fine while Ian and Magnus violate the dress code. It's simply ridiculous. This is not to go against Duda or Hikaru, but the inconsistency and motivation is making FIDE look absurd.
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How stupid is this Fide rule. What is this boarding school for delinquents. Chess is a game of intellects. It's not comparable to tennis, that is a physical sport. The way that guy grabbed Magnus after the game like he was a cop physically encroaching Magnus. Jealous arbiters always standing on the sideline, enforcing no water on the table blah blah blah. I'm tuning out, the only reason I watch this tournament is Magnus. Well done Fide. I would jump to another ship if I were a funding sponsor.
we as the players are who FIDE should cater to, right now I feel this is a joke. I as a chess club member never was asked to vote for anybody to represent me in FIDE or my city (millions of citizens and one of the capital cities of europe). that is a major red flag, if the voting would actually be by the base of players we would not have these incompetent fools siphoning money into their pocket in the name of chess and acting entitled like they own chess. FIDE has 17 million euro budget and they only succeed in generating useless FIDE arena which is overpriced and useless compared to lichess. They could have used lichess codebase and kept it uncommercial and had a refined platform with official FIDE tournaments, instead they made a bad platform noone wants to play on. they have been useless in past years selling off commercial rights and the numerous scandals when it comes to their handling of players is well documented. they have a vice president who has called a GM a "gypsy" for wearing short pants at a tournament and made some female players cry plus cheated at the european championship by retracting a move.
Million more Indians will watch as the India Golden age begins. I'm sure Fide is quite comfortable. They got Google to sponsor without Carlsen featuring. Don't overestimate Carlsen's influence
@@davidflebnothing. The point is the dress code is unreasonable. It’s pretty fair to argue that Magnus’ attire is perfectly reasonable and not ‘unprofessional’.
@@based8985 that's a separate argument. Pants are universally recognized as more formal than jeans, but even if they aren't the rules are clear and very simple to follow
@@davidflebJeans are considered formal dumbass especially Carlsen's jeans at that time. Nobody wants to follow a stupid rule that doesnt make sense. Chess is all about action INSIDE the board not outside wear of players.
How blind is Emil that if it wasn't for players like Hikaru, Magnus, and Gotham...nobody would give a shit about Fide. I never know when tournaments are if it wasn't for Levy. We are here to watch chess. Emil needs to realize 3 goats of the game, in 3 eras have had issues with how Fide runs things.
The FIDE dress code for players at the World Rapid and Blitz Chess Championships requires "business casual" attire, which generally means long trousers or pants, a shirt, and a jacket. T-shirts, polo shirts, jeans, sports shoes, sneakers, slippers, and hats are not allowed, except for religious reasons. National costumes and team uniforms are permitted. My religion is wearing jeans.
I've played chess kinda professionally from age 7 to 16, visiting tournaments around my country and etc. And I was from a pretty poor family. Chess was always good because you need a chessboard with pieces and that's it. And of course 99% of kids were wearing freaking jeans at the tournaments! Why they promote this elititism in chess now, i have zero idea.
Seriously, this is not the Opera or the Ballet. Why not have a recommended dress code, but having compulsory dress code for a chess tournament is just silly. And a chess tournament these days without Magnus is like having bread without butter. One can almost choke on it.
This fide CEO is an idiot.... It reminds me of a kid... He didn't deny Ghiri and Ian claims that at the bottom of the pack there are indeed players that have broken the dressing code aswell and nothing was told to them... This guy's answer? The top players have more responsibilities?? Because they are on camera??? Im sorry mate, but this looks like a witch hunt... I bet he feels good about what just happened.
The fact that players cannot play in tournaments named "World Championship" is crazy monopolistic behaviour, I don't know if that's common practice but to me it seems so manipulative.
Not allowing him to participate in the last round is a step too far. Magnus' actions are definitely not defendable, as Ian did indeed conform to the rules and Magnus didn't. But to not allow people to participate due to this? Bruh. He should have just been penalized in some form after the fact. Such trivialities should never affect the games, ever.
Arguably one of the more attractive chess players being kicked either because he didn't look good enough for their standards or because they were jealous he was rocking those jeans like a rockstar.
I get that you don't want favouritism but jeans are acceptable attire in many professional offices, and ultimately chess (especially blitz) is a sport, players need to be comfortable. Also, I've always thought this rule just added to the elitism of chess. If you're not financially well off you're already struggling to afford to go to tournaments, it's not fair to make people dress a certain way too. Let's also add that a suit is western clothing. As we want to grow the sport globally, surely we want to be inclusive of alternative attire, the biggest growing markets for chess are India and China, players should be allowed to dress in their own country's attire if that's what they want to do.
I really dont care who is wearing what, but rule is rule. It is written before the tournaument is started. And the penalty is defined clearly. But again, rule is rule! I find a lot rules are silly but, I am following them. If you have problem with the rules, obey them first and then after critize them, blame them, sue them. It cannot be changed becuse of a person.
For everyone whining about Magnus being stubborn or thinking he’s bigger than the game - It’s called taking a stand. There was nothing wrong with his attire.
Except that rule was there for a century and magnus knew it well beforehand so he decided to do this on purpose after having one of his worst performances and he decided to switch the story
@@emmbee6711 that stand should have been taken by not participating in the event after reading the rules and clearly making your point that you will not participate unless the rules are changed..doing it mid of the tournament doesn’t looks good and gives a feeling that he thinks himself bigger than the game..if all other 300 odd players can wear formals then why can’t he
It is crazy that the fabric of your pants is a problem. Not the design or total amount of coverage that it provides your body just the fabric. It’s so stupid no one cares and no one can see your stupid legs because of the chest table is covering it. Lol
Magnus was fined 200 dollars and they also told him to dress like a child or they wouldn't let him play anymore. Why did they give him a fine to pay if they didn't want him to play from the beginning? He had a shirt, a jacket, elegant shoes and jeans chosen but they weren't regular jeans but more elegant ones.
FIDE is upset the most dominant chess player of the current era, doesn’t want to play the classic world championship. This is where it all stems from, they refuse to open their minds to change.
i honestly dont know where I stand on this one. When, however, Magnus said it was a matter of principle it would have been good to ask him what principle
FIDE made a mistake but they are not wrong. The problem is with the rules and the players too easily agreeing with the rules when they enter these tournaments. It's like user agreements., they are just lucky they don't live in South Park. Also, the FIDE CEO was basically calling Magnus a diva.
I’m nobody, but in my opinion Carlsen comes off as a bit silly here considering we live in a world where very recently Anna Muzychuk boycotted the event in Saudi Arabia.
My first reaction was that this is a ridiculous enforcement of the rules. But hearing the arguments from the president, I can understand their stance as well. Magnus had enough time to change, he just didn't want to be told what to do by Fide. You don't change the rules on the spot because one of the favourites decides not to adhere by them.
@@jtidema Those are the general rules you're referring to. "At major FIDE events, like the World Championship or FIDE World Cup, there is a strict Dress code that participants must abide by."
It was Carlsen who had the "I can do whatever I want." attitude. FIDE proposed a relaxed version of the 2018 dress code, nobody complained, and after that as a player you just comply, end of story.
@@coolcat23 Carlsen was annoyed and in my opinion rightfully so. He was already fined. There are plenty of ways to enforce the rules without escalating the situation further, e.g. another higher fine. If your move is, you will bend to our rules come hell or high water, then your understanding of power is an abusive one.
@RustyNPiece The rule isn't there to generate income through fines. The rule is intended to ensure a standard of appearance. One cannot achieve the intent of the rule by simply fining people. It would be morally problematic to use rules to generate money rather than actually enforcing them.
@@coolcat23Nobody answered at all, so you can't claim that they agreed to those rules, if they didn't answer in the affirmative and sign their answer with their own signature. Silence as a sign of approval carries no serious weight, and is nothing more than childish banter.
@@coolcat23 The rule isn't there to effectively prohibit players from winning tournaments, too. But that's not really the point. The point is how you want to enforce the rules and get compliance. You could still have enforced the rule by understanding that interrupting a player's rapid tournament to go change clothes is disproportionate to the desired outcome and be satisfied that the player shows up the next day in "proper" attire. In this situation a subsequent fine just signals that although the clothes were deemed inappropriate there is more at stake here and players, spectators, investors as well as chess as a whole benefit more from the number 1 player playing than from him leaving.
This like Ronaldo or Messi getting fined and dropped by their teams because they wore the wrong colour shorts to a game lmao…honestly makes Chess look like such joke.
Just having a 'Bobby moment', no big deal. No one is bigger than the game itself, so let's friggin' get back to it! (A special thanks to Magnus and ALL the GMs)
Yeah, seems like Magnus was being a bit of a Queen here. Thinks he’s just sick of FIDE nonsense. Appreciate the CEO backed the chief arbiter and didn’t throw him under the bus. But yeah FIDE booked the hotels and it send it wasn’t much of an inconvenience to change.
That whole _"we welcome more competitions for players, you just can't call it a 'world championship'"_ bit doesn’t seem right to me... having a contract with players that says _"I agree not to compete in any event that calls itself a 'world championship' for 4 years after my last FIDE event"_ (as said @ 21:35 ) sounds like a corporate non-compete clause you'd find in an _employment_ contract, not a competition entry agreement. And I’ve never heard an employer successfully enforcing more than 12-18 months of a non-compete clause, let alone a professional association trying to limit a player’s competitive career _for 4 years_ once they are no longer a member… that seems like a pretty egregious & unenforceable over-reach by FIDE. I get the feeling that hubris will be FIDE’s Achilles heel... because the relationship between sponsors, the public & the players in the digital age of the 2020's is completely different to the institutional dependency when the PCA split off in the 90's. And when FIDE's chosen broadcast technology wasn't working on day one, but grandmasters are regularly & reliably streaming games online for larger audiences... combined with this frankly ridiculous dress code situation... FIDE isn't doing professional chess or their own reputation any favours.
There is a dress code in the tournament, you are playing the tournament, follow the dress code. You don't want to comply, you are disqualified. It seems logical to me.
It is but there being a dress code that forbids jeans is ridiculous. Also why is it not enough to change for the next day? Leave it at a fine. If you want fine him every game but don’t affect the chess.
When you place former players as leaders of the same sport, they create very harsh rules for the new players due to a sporting zeal left within them and they enjoy it by satisfying their internal envy of the players they never were and never will be.
I don’t care what the FIDE have to say about this because forbidding wearing jeans is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen in my entire life!! I can’t believe they put it in the regulation.
FIDE doesn’t want Magnus to win another World Rapid Championship. How can they expect Magnus to not withdraw from the championship if they’re going to ban him from playing Round 9? It’s gonna be very difficult to have a fighting chance to win if he is disqualified from playing a round. So obviously Magnus had no choice but to withdraw.
While I do think Magnus could have avoided this having known the rules in advance, FIDE’s rules are very old fashioned, superficial, and overly controlling. Haven’t jeans been considered part of business casual in most countries for decades now? And more importantly, why do people need to dress in business casual to play chess anyways? As long as players observe basic hygiene, don’t wear a chess engine, and don’t flash their private parts what does it matter what they wear? Isn’t it more important that they feel comfortable and play well?
Love Magnus but he knew the rules. He did this on purpose because of his behind the scenes row with FIDE. If Nepo changed, he could have done the same. He wanted to create problems at the games in order to justify breaking away from FIDE. He did not want to play from the get go. Magnus needs to do better in terms of setting example for younger players. Having said all this, FIDE should not be preventing players from playing freestyle chess.
If Hikaru wears jeans tomorrow it will be the greatest moment in chess history.
Lmao. Hope do see this
No way possible, Hikaru is a bootlicker, there is no reality where he has the balls.
If Hikaru loses next game badly he will go and wear a 👖 for sure.but very less likely he will lose
@@KP_100 haha
He should come in jeans for the final round and take the 200 dollars fine
I agree with FIDE’s decision. Carlson is too sexy in jeans and this distracts his opponents, giving him an unfair advantage.
😂😂😂
This the one right here
Lol 😂😂😂😂
Agreed !🤩
@@Jarretman Did not expect to see you here!
THEY SACRIFICED THE SPONSORSSSSS
Google sponsored the world championship without Magnus. The eyeballs are in India and China. They don't care about Magnus and his fragile ego
And Magnus sacrificed his audience. 😂
@@Steph756pNah people r there for Magnus, not fide. Not many people will support fide over magnus
@@Steph756pf id iot the audience is watching magnus not fide that’s the huge difference
Cricket is world's second biggest sport, only with Indian audience. If chess is popular in india, it can sustain just because of this. I've seen magnus sponsored by random indian t0bacco company. And mega conglomerates like tata and mahindra already interests in chess.
Jeans-Gambit-Declined-Variation 😂😂
open jeans and closed jeans variation
Ok. I got a pretty good chuckle out of that 😂
Come up with your own comments this is pathetic
Magnus played best move 😂
@@ahmedhend9207 Yes he did everyone is talking about his pants instead of his really bad performance. He is manipulating you very nicely.
imagine if all of them go in jeans tomorrow!
Imagine if all of them except one player goes in jeans and that one guy wins by default.
Imagine standing up for a white millionaire while this rule has been used to oppress women and minorities for centuries
Stop dreaming about a revolution...it ain't happening
Fide should change the rule to make Players wear jeans now 😂
A lot of them would lose the support of the people paying for their rooms and their flights home.
Jeans are considered business casual in the corporate world. FIDE messed up when chess continues to struggle to break into more main stream audiences
Oh brother... You're telling me that genius chess boy doesn't know what he can wear or not? What does the corporate
world of America have to do with what people can and can not wear in chess?? Why is chess still enforcing sexist and racist rules across the entire planet???
Exactly. We (yk, the audience who give FIDE money, especially since they -don't- _can't_ get any sponsorships) know what's up. FIDE has a very lengthy history of treating the players very poorly. Chess is better off without them. Let Freestyle become the main Chess corporation. Magnus got them into esports with the biggest prize in Chess history. FIDE can't get any sort of sponsors whatsoever.
Yep, they need to get over themselves & join modern day norms vs alienating thee most captivating player. He was already annoyed w/their monopoly-forming moves so this was a stupid move on their part fs. I see a standing FU to FIDE from Magnus coming soon. (They'll regret it.)
I hate Wearing shirts and Very much prefer T-shirts without collar.. So I can't participate in Fide Games??? .. dang, Can't believe my journey to becoming World champion ended this early
@@sudhanshupandey6246 hey man don't play stupid, t-shirts aren't really a formal wear 😀i would never wear a t-shirt to a business meeting or a court, would you? Jeans are fine, we all know that.
I'm with Magnus on this. Those players are playing chess. We the spectators are watching chess. Nobody gives a damn about what pants the players wear, unless you are FIDE.
I'm with Magnus on this too. also it's understandable that tournaments can have dress codes. eg. Wimbledon. Fide should just say: fine you wore it today we are not making the situation bigger, but please don't come with jeans tomorrow. it was this easy
@@NoleFener also Tennis is a "TV sport", but chess is followed by watching the boards. They could be naked and the spectators wouldnt care.
chess is considered a sport. if you think about taking the field without respecting the rules you will be eliminated. Happy to keep watching the competition without carlsen.
@@NoleFener as far as i know magnus asked if he can change it TOMORROW and he got said he must change it NOW or not?
@@michelmichelem Chess isn't a sport anyway, it's a board game. I don't care what some officials say. Chess, darts and snooker are games, not sports. Also, Magnus was correct on this issue.
Magnus and Hikaru should just stream a long battle royale over the next few days. Everyone would watch it. Everyone would love it. And Chess would go on.
Be boring after a few games. Same can be said about any 2 players in any sport. Carlsen doesn't have as much clout as he thinks, just like Kasparov. This is just entertainment, not essential.
@@iridium8341Magnus revived interest in chess and raised it into pop culture globally. Nobody gave or gives a fuck about fide
Well to say truth, this time both of them would lose the tournament but still if they starter streaming now again normal championship streams it would be propably huge
@@pianojonathan Nobody will give a fuck about Magnus 2 years down the line of inactivity. His ego is not above the rules set which he agreed to abide by Before the match began.
@@iridium8341 I'd watch that before watching fide pants championship.
FIDE blew it big time. We bring one of the most prestigious chess tournaments to the Big Apple and the most memorable and ridiculed event will be FIDE penalizing arguably the best player ever because he wore a pair of jeans! OMG! This is unbearably embarrassing.
Embarrassing because an experienced chess player does not respect the dress code and is too jaded to make an effort when asked to comply? I like Carlsen, but he is hurting the sport by making it a "matter of principles". What "principle" die he uphold here? "I shall not be asked to comply to rules."?
@@coolcat23 First of all "dress code" is not that big a deal that the GOAT of the game has to be "kicked" out. He was fined, be payed the fine and said would change the next day. Wasn't as if he was naked or in a hip-hop outfit either. Your mind is lost just like FIDE's
@@JudyMitchell-f6b agreed. Facts
@@coolcat23 bro had a horrible day yesterday and still showed up because he loves chess and the players. You’re a dummy
@coolcat23 there are levels to this and as he said in his comments he was just fed up with them. People make mistakes and in this case he made a mistake. If he worse something offensive or a pink kangaroo uniform then I'd understand why they'd need to forbid him from competing.
But his attire was not offensive. Give him a fine and a warning for a larger fine and life goes on. Instead this has been a major blow to chess and FIDE blew it out of proportion.
Like it or not, Magnus is a celebrity and is a major luminary of the sport. The chief arbitrer was taking photos of players with his phone and sending them to his boss in Egypt to get an approval? They are insufferable fools.
I hope a lot more grandmasters will go against FIDE.
No revolution is happening 😂
You can only hope cause it aint happening
Not everyone has unlimited money like magnus or has achieved everything under the sun to say f u to fide
@@loneranterism Remember that it already has when Kasporov and Short became fed up with FIDE. Hikaru is right there alongside Magnus with thr Freestyle stuff. Several other players will follow suit now that Magnus has had his final straw with them
What's the problem in following rules they agreed to for this tournament
But it went nowhere ultimately and even Garry regretted it@@BillyBall35
What a stupid rule. FIDE have been fucking up chess for a long time. All the way back to the days of Bobby Fischer and even earlier than him. FIDE has been corrupt since the days of Botvinnik. A new sensible organisation needs to take over chess. FIDE has been crap for decades.
No jeans means no, what magnus wearing yesterday now why suddenly wearing jeans😂😂😂😂
@@prateekc7804 FIDE rules: "Jeans are generally not considered acceptable". Stupid rule. Who determines generally? Also players in the past have worn dress shoes and FIDE fined them for being running shoes, see Anna-Maja's tweet. Also what a ridiculous rule to begin with? Why can't you play chess in comfortable semi-formal attire? There's literally no reason to back this archaic bs
@@alekhinesgun9997 it's already mentioned, it's nothing new, if you want to participate follow the rules, is that much complicated for the players to understand the dress code
Magnus is such a sore loser
@@prateekc7804 You saying "it's already mentioned" doesn't add any clarity whatsoever. You addressed nothing. The only thing you're correct in saying is that it's nothing new, that only means that they won't change unless theres unrest and a reason to change.
Fide and their usual 🤡 behavior
This is about "Carlsen behaviour" not "FIDE behaviour". Carlsen knew the dress code and the arbiter (not FIDE directly) enforced it. Nothing to be seen except Carlsen not wanting to respect the dress code.
They forced Ian to change so did the same to Magnus. It's fair
Not Really. It's just the beginning of end for Magnus. He didn't want to keep losing games so found a way to wriggle his way out. Typical!
@@iridium8341 Don't agree with the firs half. It's just one tournament but it's definitely wrong. He is still the favourite in blitz.
Tantrum
@@iridium8341 The beginning of the end 😂😂
He won 12 tournaments this year for 14 participations i think. 2nd when he doesn't win. Did an absolute Masterclass at TataSteel in India both blitz and Rapid and CCT last week, where might be your idol, always in Magnus shadow.
You suffer for almost 15 years !
1st rating in blitz, rapid and classical still ! By miles !
The others can barely win when Magnus is here, it's a fact.
Take pills !
So many individuals are working so hard to modernize chess. Live streaming and commentary, the TAKE TAKE TAKE app, and lots of YT recaps that cater to all players with different strengths.
Meanwhile FIDE with their elitist ideals is still stuck in the past and shooting themselves in the leg. Please I want to watch Magnus play. I can’t care less about what he’s wearing.
This is Magnus' fault, he can play today if he wants to he chose to quit. Just as he chose to violate the dress code which he knew about
Exactly your point! So many people working hard. Fans following the event for magnus and what does he do? He doesn't comply with the rules. Why so? Also fide cannot change rule for 1 player even if he is magnus.
It would've been unfair to ian if they would've allowed magnus to play without changing. It just goes to show that magnus took it in a wrong way instead of complying so it's definitely a sad day for chess and for the fans
I think it is just the final straw with Magnus Carlson, Fide threatens the top players to choose Fide or Freestyle Chess.
@@davidfleb Please don't be Stupid like FIDE .
Deciding the winner of Classical Chess by Blitz tie breaker is total *** ****
@@davidfleb Did you even watch the whole video or just the headline? FIDE is harassing players to not play the Freestyle events. And yes rules are rules. But FIDE can bend them, which they did in the past.
I can’t wait to watch the Freestyle Chess World Championship to see who the freestyle world champion is.
The defending champion is Hikaru Nakamura
Will jeans be the mandatory attire?
Freestyle world championship deserves freestyle clothing.
@@thekurdishtapes8317 jeans and opening themed t-shirts
@@FahimHoq Magnus won the Freestyle Chess G.O.A.T. Challenge 2024. So who is the defending champion is debatable.
After all this FIDE drama, I’m just waiting for the jeans endorsements to roll in: ‘Checkmate your style-Magnus-approved denim.’ Carlsen wins!
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You aint gonna belive it. But Take Take Take sold out jeans.
Imagine Magnus gets sponsored by Levi with levy.
@@vedantharwani9278 That's the comment I was looking for.
Fide lost all things
He left with a tantrum with accusations with hans. Now he goes out with jeans so focus is on jeans not his low performance
@@hantergidiCan it. This wasn't about his performance or jeans. It was about how FIDE, who is nothing but an unelected dictatorship, tried to threaten everyone who considered playing freestyle chess with a ban from FIDE events. You don't piss off the GOAT of Chess and expect to get away with it.
@@hantergidiyesterday Hans also came in jeans why didn't fide do anything
Not really
FIDE isn't losing anything. Thousands of quality players are available throughout the world.
Nepo made a good point about how it's weird how at a chess event what is being talked about is fashion and not chess. If the top chess players made an alternative to FIDE, they would know how it should be regulated and I bet you it would surpass FIDE.
Yeah, well the problem might be that top chess players want to play chess and not do tedious organizations.
FIDE complaining that the players don't want to do press interviews or side events for free really shows their hand here. They really want players to sit down, shut up and dance around for FIDE with no real compensation. If FIDE wants chess to be a 'real sport' then it needs to treat the players like 'real' athletes.
Tbf in other sports you are expected to do the appropriate media as well, it is part of the job
🙌🏻
@@ashkiin8493 In other sports the players are salaried. The media duties are part of why they get compensated. Chess players are not compensated by FIDE.
Best comment here👏👏
@@ashkiin8493They definitely don’t have to wear “business casual” to compete or do press in most other sports, though. They usually wear something that allows them to feel comfortable and play well. And players get to show a lot more individuality in their fashion in the most popular sports!
Every player in the tournament should arrive tomorrow in jeans 👖 as a protest in solidarity with Magnus.
People who losing can do that😂😂
Ya Hikaru probably will coz he is losing 😂
You know something is wrong when Magnus, Hikaru, and Kramnik is agreeing on something😂
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Fisher also didn't seem to be a fan of FIDE
@@marcel13091975Gary also
@@marcel13091975 Kasparov: *hehehe*
ever heard of a guy named kasparov?
So anyone playing under the FIDE banner cannot compete in any outside events labeled as a world championship?
FIDE doesn’t own the rights to “world champion.” That’s some high level arrogance on FIDE’s part.
Gives vibes of The Fine Bros trying to trademark "React" on RUclips some years ago. Just because someone is the biggest supplier of a type of content doesn’t give them ruling powers of said content..
@ I’m going to guess you meant to say “doesn’t give them...”
And I agree. Being the “industry standard” doesn’t give them authority over what others can call their championship tournaments. It would be one thing if they were calling it the World Chess Championship which I do believe is owned by FIDE but I could be wrong. But if Magnus and some of the super GMs decide to form the Professional Chess Federation (with a nod to Kasparov’s defunct Professional Chess Association) and bill their major tournament as the PCF World Championship then that’s completely copacetic.
It’s kind of like the PGA telling golfers that if they play for the upstart LIV golf organization that they won’t be welcomed back to PGA events which is just ridiculous and actually did happen.
@@dr.floridamanphd that’s what I meant ofc, thanks :) I don’t get why these major event orgs are so scared of smaller groups holding tournaments. It’s one thing to not recognize player rankings in any league but their own, but by trying to maintain market monopoly they are just shooting themselves in the foot…
Need a competitor Federation !
Example : New Organisation called "World Boxing".
Would soon replace IBA .
FIDE chess mafia, someone needs to start a new chess world championship. FIDE is nothing without the players.
Bobby would wear jeans to every FIDE tournament if this was the case and dare them to disqualify him.
This is not about chess anymore. It’s about arrogance and dominance.
It’s official, I’m no longer watching the rest of the tournament
oh wow, this is going to make headlines. are you really not watching the rest?
Same! I was only watching because of Magnus. I only started getting into chess recently and was inspired to try chess because of him. I really enjoyed watching the Champions Chess Tour where Magnus won. Now this happens 😢
Same here
Yeah, I watch mainly because of Magnus. I was disappointed he wasn't in the WCC but had high hopes here.
@@aseq2 Mostly indians watching now
I understand that they don't want to be accused of applying a different set of rules to Magnus compared to everyone else but generally they just seem stuck in the past in a world where the audience expects to see players in suits looking unrelatable and the whole thing seeming very formal. They need to get beyond this because it's not the future of chess, it's the past. If they want it to grow they need to move with the times and what the contemporary audience wants to see and cares about.
They very easily could have just applied another fine if they really wanted to do something, and just let him come back tomorrow with what they deem appropriate. FIDE screwed themselves big time.
@@CorvetteAustin24 he was given time until 3 rounds. Some were fined for minor violation but it was easy for them to continue as they just had to remove their sweater before next round. In this case obviously he would have to leave the venue to change pants. Fide is being quite flexible with him and actually going out of the way to accommodate his requests. Its hard to believe magnus forgot about dress code on day 2
@@NoahVM12 You call that flexibility? And this happened in other events too.
@@sdragon28 yes that is flexibility in other sports you're getting disqualified at the moment even if you're usain bolt or anyone. You don't have to maintain weight or water intake in chess like other sports even then you can't wear proper attire? Isn't that arrogance if they're not in your way you run away? This was pre planned move by magnus coz he came with proper attire in first day and now this and left by saying f to fide. We know he wants to be kasparov so badly
@@NoahVM12 This is literally not even true. Michael Jordan played an entire season in his Jordans which was against the rules and what happened? He got fined for every game he played in them, but was in no way disqualified.
Seems ridiculous to worry about jeans if they're not required to brush their hair.
Next they'll have mandatory showers and cologne.
A sweater is absolutely acceptable attire in an office. It wouldn't fly for, say, a lawyer in court...but neither would a polo shirt or a bunch of advertisements on your clothing.
The FIDE rep looks sloppy. Suit with no tie or vest, and his shirt wrists looks sloppy.
So what's your point? A sweater not flying for a lawyer in court is also an arbitrary decision. The point is, if there is a dress code in place and the players sign up to the dress code, then they should stick to it. If they don't like the dress code, then don't agree to play. If you think the dress code is unreasonable, that is a separate issue. Once you have signed up to it, you lose your right to violate it without consequence.
@@猫会飞 Where in the dress code do you see this rule? I only see a rule about TORN jeans.
I believe "dress code" is just the tip of the iceberg..
There is more in it than meet the eyes..
First it was Magnus Carlsen refusing to defend his World Champion title with classical format of chess..
Then there is freestyle chess thing, which FIDE did not see eye to eye with..
Now both sides are not backing down..
I believe this will be the end of the relationship between Magnus Carlsen and FIDE..
FIDE going downhill fast
FIDE was already a bottom feeder ever since the whole Fischer-Karpov controversy.
Demn when magnus was listing his rivals for each tourney, he shd have mentioned FIDE xD
Yes good point 😂😂
Nah that's not rival but just like an annoying shit system with law and rule nerd that he needs to face each time he wants to enjoy chess with great players
As someone who has officiated in sports events, I don't like the wording around jeans "generally" not being considered appropriate attire, because that puts the official in a very uncomfortable position when they are asked to enforce it. The penalty seems over the top as well. Whole thing is not a great look, but there's obviously more going om than just this.
How can a shirt with 7386 logos on it is more appropriate and formal than a simple sweater or jean? They literally say outfit at 9:10 is more acceptable than Ian's sweater at 9:40 and I think they are doing this on purpose to milk these geniuses and monetize their fame with drama they deliberately create.
Exactly, those sponsor shirts look absolutely clown attire. But since they create revenue then it's OK for the business driven whores of the system.
Exactly... the dress code rules are vague and up to interpretation for arbiters. They deem that Hikaru and Duda look fine while Ian and Magnus violate the dress code. It's simply ridiculous. This is not to go against Duda or Hikaru, but the inconsistency and motivation is making FIDE look absurd.
How stupid is this Fide rule. What is this boarding school for delinquents. Chess is a game of intellects. It's not comparable to tennis, that is a physical sport. The way that guy grabbed Magnus after the game like he was a cop physically encroaching Magnus. Jealous arbiters always standing on the sideline, enforcing no water on the table blah blah blah. I'm tuning out, the only reason I watch this tournament is Magnus. Well done Fide. I would jump to another ship if I were a funding sponsor.
we as the players are who FIDE should cater to, right now I feel this is a joke. I as a chess club member never was asked to vote for anybody to represent me in FIDE or my city (millions of citizens and one of the capital cities of europe). that is a major red flag, if the voting would actually be by the base of players we would not have these incompetent fools siphoning money into their pocket in the name of chess and acting entitled like they own chess. FIDE has 17 million euro budget and they only succeed in generating useless FIDE arena which is overpriced and useless compared to lichess. They could have used lichess codebase and kept it uncommercial and had a refined platform with official FIDE tournaments, instead they made a bad platform noone wants to play on. they have been useless in past years selling off commercial rights and the numerous scandals when it comes to their handling of players is well documented. they have a vice president who has called a GM a "gypsy" for wearing short pants at a tournament and made some female players cry plus cheated at the european championship by retracting a move.
I think the FIDE CEOs shirt looks kinda shabby tbh, maybe he should not be allowed on the premises.
No MAGNUS? No HIKARU? now NOBODY CAAAARES. 😂
"You" don't care.
@@r3b0rn52More people than you can imagine are tuning out now. FIDE sucks, and they will figure out soon enough that they're nothing without Magnus.
Wait, no Hikaru either?!
why no Hikaru?
Million more Indians will watch as the India Golden age begins. I'm sure Fide is quite comfortable. They got Google to sponsor without Carlsen featuring. Don't overestimate Carlsen's influence
What’s the big deal man, the jeans are under the table anyway!
What's so hard about following a dress code?
@@davidflebnothing. The point is the dress code is unreasonable. It’s pretty fair to argue that Magnus’ attire is perfectly reasonable and not ‘unprofessional’.
@@based8985 that's a separate argument. Pants are universally recognized as more formal than jeans, but even if they aren't the rules are clear and very simple to follow
@@davidflebJeans are considered formal dumbass especially Carlsen's jeans at that time. Nobody wants to follow a stupid rule that doesnt make sense. Chess is all about action INSIDE the board not outside wear of players.
@davidfleb i have seen people allowed into a casino in tracksuit pants but not jeans. True. What make jeans, jeans? Fabric or pocket style?
Kramnik: "Can we do a jeans check on Danya?" 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
How blind is Emil that if it wasn't for players like Hikaru, Magnus, and Gotham...nobody would give a shit about Fide. I never know when tournaments are if it wasn't for Levy. We are here to watch chess.
Emil needs to realize 3 goats of the game, in 3 eras have had issues with how Fide runs things.
Great coverage, I love all of these interviews and points of view. It feels like we're getting the whole story !
The FIDE dress code for players at the World Rapid and Blitz Chess Championships requires "business casual" attire, which generally means long trousers or pants, a shirt, and a jacket. T-shirts, polo shirts, jeans, sports shoes, sneakers, slippers, and hats are not allowed, except for religious reasons. National costumes and team uniforms are permitted.
My religion is wearing jeans.
It's ridiculous that religion gives people special privileges.
Nudism can be a religion too.
@@metalzonemt-2 It was a joke... did you notice that jeans are in the list of acceptable clothing?
@@jtidema Not acording to FIDE they're not.
I think this is a good thing for chess in general ,we need to thank Magnus for it. This way fide can open thier eyes and change some rules.
Or they can just disappear from Chess altogether. They suck.
@@hypercubemaster2729Can you elaborate why they suck apart from this dress thing!
Russian puppets @@abhaysharma6987
Magnus not playing will be more of a loss to FIDE than to him.
11:06 "for looking good" 😂😂
I've played chess kinda professionally from age 7 to 16, visiting tournaments around my country and etc. And I was from a pretty poor family. Chess was always good because you need a chessboard with pieces and that's it. And of course 99% of kids were wearing freaking jeans at the tournaments! Why they promote this elititism in chess now, i have zero idea.
Seriously, this is not the Opera or the Ballet. Why not have a recommended dress code, but having compulsory dress code for a chess tournament is just silly. And a chess tournament these days without Magnus is like having bread without butter. One can almost choke on it.
Both fide and magnus having egos
Magnus wanted out, it was very easy for him to change clothes he decided not to. He is harming chess for personal reasons
Why ?
Dinosaur extinction : Asteroid
FIDE extinction: Jean
Garry Kasparov thought similarly...he's cooling his heals now😂
@@loneranterismeasy way for him to win in the end. Magnus and Garry Chess alliance
Respect for having both sides on to discuss the issue
Clown behaviour, FIDE monopoly is going down and they are salty about it
This fide CEO is an idiot.... It reminds me of a kid...
He didn't deny Ghiri and Ian claims that at the bottom of the pack there are indeed players that have broken the dressing code aswell and nothing was told to them... This guy's answer?
The top players have more responsibilities?? Because they are on camera???
Im sorry mate, but this looks like a witch hunt... I bet he feels good about what just happened.
Well said
FIDE says you cannot call Freestyle chess a world championship. That is the problem.
All players should wear jeans now.
The fact that players cannot play in tournaments named "World Championship" is crazy monopolistic behaviour, I don't know if that's common practice but to me it seems so manipulative.
No don't say this 😭😭 the saddest intro ever.
Not allowing him to participate in the last round is a step too far. Magnus' actions are definitely not defendable, as Ian did indeed conform to the rules and Magnus didn't. But to not allow people to participate due to this? Bruh. He should have just been penalized in some form after the fact. Such trivialities should never affect the games, ever.
He was penalized by being fined, there was no reason to have him ALSO change.
No one is greater than the game itself.
Please guys, all of you turn up in jeans tomorrow
Arguably one of the more attractive chess players being kicked either because he didn't look good enough for their standards or because they were jealous he was rocking those jeans like a rockstar.
Regardless of what Emil Sutovsky said, I like his discussion culture. He never interrupted and he gave real answers.
Discussion culture?
No one is above the game and law
I get that you don't want favouritism but jeans are acceptable attire in many professional offices, and ultimately chess (especially blitz) is a sport, players need to be comfortable.
Also, I've always thought this rule just added to the elitism of chess. If you're not financially well off you're already struggling to afford to go to tournaments, it's not fair to make people dress a certain way too.
Let's also add that a suit is western clothing. As we want to grow the sport globally, surely we want to be inclusive of alternative attire, the biggest growing markets for chess are India and China, players should be allowed to dress in their own country's attire if that's what they want to do.
National dress is explicitly allowed.
Thank you for showing both sides of the drama, i.e. giving voice to both Magnus and FIDE: Then people can draw their own conclusions ...
It's gonna be like this. You wanna be the best? Leave FIDE and challenge Magnus.
You wanna make a living?
Leave FIDE.
I really dont care who is wearing what, but rule is rule. It is written before the tournaument is started. And the penalty is defined clearly.
But again, rule is rule! I find a lot rules are silly but, I am following them. If you have problem with the rules, obey them first and then after critize them, blame them, sue them. It cannot be changed becuse of a person.
This is not the rule...
For everyone whining about Magnus being stubborn or thinking he’s bigger than the game - It’s called taking a stand. There was nothing wrong with his attire.
Cope better
Except that rule was there for a century and magnus knew it well beforehand so he decided to do this on purpose after having one of his worst performances and he decided to switch the story
@@Sandel99456 Yep and you should keep following antiquated silly rules like FIDE sheep
@@emmbee6711 that stand should have been taken by not participating in the event after reading the rules and clearly making your point that you will not participate unless the rules are changed..doing it mid of the tournament doesn’t looks good and gives a feeling that he thinks himself bigger than the game..if all other 300 odd players can wear formals then why can’t he
Taking a stand against pants?😂 Everyone knew the dress code going in. Rules are meant to be followed. Show respect for the game
I don’t know, something about claiming “no one is above the law“ nowadays sounds fishy.
FIDE are ignoramuses. Dior makes $2000 designer jeans, so jeans are absolutely correct professional attire.
They can be, but the ones he was wearing looked alot like the ones in the photograph, ie Off the rack, although new and clean.
It is crazy that the fabric of your pants is a problem. Not the design or total amount of coverage that it provides your body just the fabric. It’s so stupid no one cares and no one can see your stupid legs because of the chest table is covering it. Lol
Okay, and Gucci makes $1,500 bikinis. What’s your point?
No, jeans are no professional attire if it written in the rules that it is not acceptable to wear them
@@TusharMuraliHis point is "big brand can make big price jeans therefore all jeans are big'
Magnus was fined 200 dollars and they also told him to dress like a child or they wouldn't let him play anymore. Why did they give him a fine to pay if they didn't want him to play from the beginning? He had a shirt, a jacket, elegant shoes and jeans chosen but they weren't regular jeans but more elegant ones.
FIDE is upset the most dominant chess player of the current era, doesn’t want to play the classic world championship. This is where it all stems from, they refuse to open their minds to change.
Is the fine refunded since he is out now?
This shall forever be known in the chess world as Jeansgate
I thought the same thing XD like Toiletgate.
i honestly dont know where I stand on this one. When, however, Magnus said it was a matter of principle it would have been good to ask him what principle
FIDE made a mistake but they are not wrong. The problem is with the rules and the players too easily agreeing with the rules when they enter these tournaments. It's like user agreements., they are just lucky they don't live in South Park. Also, the FIDE CEO was basically calling Magnus a diva.
They are wrong. Have you looked up this rule?
but what does jeans acctually effect??? i dont understand this dumb rule....
Apparently Chess tournament is a fashion show to FIDE that's why...
Somehow the acclaim and esteem of FIDE is in jeopardy…
@s0sDarkAngels0s Hmn..... That's sad 😢
Fide is really a joke
There can be 2 world chess champion
1. Classical chess world chess champion
2. Freestyle chess world chess champion
FIDE is just to stubborn
MAGNUS from the looks of it and the Way he threw that Mic.. i feel like Fide Arbiter must have insulted him in some way
He did point very aggressively towards the jeans-police office
I’m nobody, but in my opinion Carlsen comes off as a bit silly here considering we live in a world where very recently Anna Muzychuk boycotted the event in Saudi Arabia.
My first reaction was that this is a ridiculous enforcement of the rules. But hearing the arguments from the president, I can understand their stance as well. Magnus had enough time to change, he just didn't want to be told what to do by Fide. You don't change the rules on the spot because one of the favourites decides not to adhere by them.
Did you actually look at the written rule? It says no TORN jeans.
@@jtidema Those are the general rules you're referring to. "At major FIDE events, like the World Championship or FIDE World Cup, there is a strict Dress code that participants must abide by."
Magnas is the best but not bigger than the chess. A rule is a rule.
Yeah, that FIDE rep did not really help the situation. Total "we have the power and we can do with it whatever we want" vibes.
Sad, sad day for chess.
It was Carlsen who had the "I can do whatever I want." attitude. FIDE proposed a relaxed version of the 2018 dress code, nobody complained, and after that as a player you just comply, end of story.
@@coolcat23 Carlsen was annoyed and in my opinion rightfully so. He was already fined. There are plenty of ways to enforce the rules without escalating the situation further, e.g. another higher fine. If your move is, you will bend to our rules come hell or high water, then your understanding of power is an abusive one.
@RustyNPiece The rule isn't there to generate income through fines. The rule is intended to ensure a standard of appearance. One cannot achieve the intent of the rule by simply fining people. It would be morally problematic to use rules to generate money rather than actually enforcing them.
@@coolcat23Nobody answered at all, so you can't claim that they agreed to those rules, if they didn't answer in the affirmative and sign their answer with their own signature. Silence as a sign of approval carries no serious weight, and is nothing more than childish banter.
@@coolcat23 The rule isn't there to effectively prohibit players from winning tournaments, too. But that's not really the point. The point is how you want to enforce the rules and get compliance. You could still have enforced the rule by understanding that interrupting a player's rapid tournament to go change clothes is disproportionate to the desired outcome and be satisfied that the player shows up the next day in "proper" attire. In this situation a subsequent fine just signals that although the clothes were deemed inappropriate there is more at stake here and players, spectators, investors as well as chess as a whole benefit more from the number 1 player playing than from him leaving.
No one is above the game!!
Magnus angry, fans angry, Levy happy 😊
:)))))
Magnus, like Kasparov before him is finding out chess is bigger than them.
This like Ronaldo or Messi getting fined and dropped by their teams because they wore the wrong colour shorts to a game lmao…honestly makes Chess look like such joke.
Just having a 'Bobby moment', no big deal. No one is bigger than the game itself, so let's friggin' get back to it! (A special thanks to Magnus and ALL the GMs)
The people in chess sports are so fvcking weird ngl.😅
Yeah, seems like Magnus was being a bit of a Queen here. Thinks he’s just sick of FIDE nonsense.
Appreciate the CEO backed the chief arbiter and didn’t throw him under the bus.
But yeah FIDE booked the hotels and it send it wasn’t much of an inconvenience to change.
Fide ceo was not using a tie. And he looks more prepotent than Magnus...
Tie is not part of the dress code...
@@davidfleb I don't give a shit.
That whole _"we welcome more competitions for players, you just can't call it a 'world championship'"_ bit doesn’t seem right to me... having a contract with players that says _"I agree not to compete in any event that calls itself a 'world championship' for 4 years after my last FIDE event"_ (as said @ 21:35 ) sounds like a corporate non-compete clause you'd find in an _employment_ contract, not a competition entry agreement. And I’ve never heard an employer successfully enforcing more than 12-18 months of a non-compete clause, let alone a professional association trying to limit a player’s competitive career _for 4 years_ once they are no longer a member… that seems like a pretty egregious & unenforceable over-reach by FIDE.
I get the feeling that hubris will be FIDE’s Achilles heel... because the relationship between sponsors, the public & the players in the digital age of the 2020's is completely different to the institutional dependency when the PCA split off in the 90's. And when FIDE's chosen broadcast technology wasn't working on day one, but grandmasters are regularly & reliably streaming games online for larger audiences... combined with this frankly ridiculous dress code situation... FIDE isn't doing professional chess or their own reputation any favours.
This is what this entire issue is about. Thank you.
There is a dress code in the tournament, you are playing the tournament, follow the dress code. You don't want to comply, you are disqualified. It seems logical to me.
It is but there being a dress code that forbids jeans is ridiculous. Also why is it not enough to change for the next day? Leave it at a fine. If you want fine him every game but don’t affect the chess.
Did you read the dress code, or just accept what they are saying? It says no TORN jeans, not no jeans.
@@jtidema It says no jeans.
Chess existed before Magnus Careless. He is not special. He joins the ego maniacs list of Fischer, Kasparov, etc. Shame on him! He deserves it.
Rules do not say no jeans... so this argument is null.
@jtidema check the rules, NO JEANS, so, the argument is valid on transcending level...
When you place former players as leaders of the same sport, they create very harsh rules for the new players due to a sporting zeal left within them and they enjoy it by satisfying their internal envy of the players they never were and never will be.
They should probably check the players before they enter the venue.
I don’t care what the FIDE have to say about this because forbidding wearing jeans is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen in my entire life!! I can’t believe they put it in the regulation.
Do you see it in the regulations? Because I do not.
FIDE doesn’t want Magnus to win another World Rapid Championship. How can they expect Magnus to not withdraw from the championship if they’re going to ban him from playing Round 9? It’s gonna be very difficult to have a fighting chance to win if he is disqualified from playing a round. So obviously Magnus had no choice but to withdraw.
Levy being actually an great journalist, is maybe the craziest thing coming out of this whole shitshow.
While I do think Magnus could have avoided this having known the rules in advance, FIDE’s rules are very old fashioned, superficial, and overly controlling. Haven’t jeans been considered part of business casual in most countries for decades now? And more importantly, why do people need to dress in business casual to play chess anyways? As long as players observe basic hygiene, don’t wear a chess engine, and don’t flash their private parts what does it matter what they wear? Isn’t it more important that they feel comfortable and play well?
Love Magnus but he knew the rules. He did this on purpose because of his behind the scenes row with FIDE. If Nepo changed, he could have done the same. He wanted to create problems at the games in order to justify breaking away from FIDE. He did not want to play from the get go. Magnus needs to do better in terms of setting example for younger players. Having said all this, FIDE should not be preventing players from playing freestyle chess.
Where do you see this actual rule? I can't find it anywhere on FIDE's site. Their dress code says no torn jeans, among other rules.
6:10 - your jeans, kid. 😂
Who needs FIDE anyway?
Not the general public. We just want entertainment. We don't care about official player ratings. Fide is stuck in the past.
Jeans - 1 Magnus -0