I don’t like being a hypocrite, but I just had to make this video, seeing as I’ve been criticized so much in the past before when I never claimed to be doing the “Devon lift” Unfortunately Derek just happened to be the example for this video, nothing personal against the guy.
If I changed my camera angle it would look much more similar. That aside, that’s not the point. The point is that neither me nor Derek did a Devon lift.
Based on how easy the weight went up, I could've put on more weight, but that doesn't really matter cuz it wasn't the point of the video. I'm hoping that most of the viewers will be able to see past the lighthearted teasing at Derek and understand the main point: Neither Derek nor me were doing the Devon lift, but that's okay.
Strength doesn’t necessarily always correlate with size and bodyweight. Most 70KG lightweight world-class athletes are pulling anywhere from 52-60KG of backpressure.
I'm fine with people doing their own lifts, if fact I do my own variation of it too. I just don't call it the "Devon Lift" unless I'm actually trying to do the lift.
What does that lift even do just do arm and wrist curls table time and you are good. If you have the energy to do more do heavy basics bench squat rows
I'm glad you saw the point of this vid: neither of us did a Devon lift. And I'm sure everyone can tell, based on how easily I lifted that even with an arguably easier angle, I could've put on more weight, but that wouldn't really add anything to the underlying point I was trying to make.
Derek's arm looked like it was open past 90 degrees. Keeping your arm closed less than 90 degrees and not having your forearm parallel to the floor gives you a huge mechanical advantage. Open your arm up to 90 degrees, keep your forearm parallel to the ground and repeat the lift.
People always criticize me for doing the “Devon lift” wrong, but I never claimed or used the words “Devon Lift” in my videos. And since Devon said this was a legit lift, I just had to make this video 😂
Form only matters for counting a PR. And with that it’s not really accurate to compare numbers as for millimeters of variance in angles can make for up to 20% difference in weight. If I’m doing the Devon lift where the inside of my elbow is at the same height as my hand I can hit 120-130lbs. If my elbow and hand are parallel it’s about 105-110. Riser is was more drastic
I don’t mind, as long as they work for him, it doesn’t matter if the curl is easier or not. And he gave them their own name instead of calling them some other lift, so it’s fine. What’s not fine is him and Devon claiming that what he did was the “Devon lift” which is clearly false
Derek weak as hell, he said his aspirations were to get to the top of the superheavyweight category, yet he’s not even close to getting into the top 30.
Yeah his form was a little eh, but as devon has said himself. Do what you feel works for you. Thats not the devon lift still lmao i dont get why people never understand how its done. Arm para to the floor, no cupping. and just lift it up slightly above the ground.
100% agree, at the end of the day, do what works for you, as long as you see gains and progress, that's all that matters. Admittedly, this video was made a little out of frustration because I've gotten a lot of criticism for my past lifts when I never said I was doing the "Devon Lift" at all.
@@kane2440 More like “I have gotten baseless criticism so let me show the double standard when Devon himself says that a totally different lift is ‘legit’”
Good clickbait. For what it’s worth, I think it’s a fine lift to have in your training, just making it clear to my audience that what I’m doing and what you’re doing are not the “Devon” lift
On the other hand, I have never claimed myself to be doing the “Devon lift” in my videos, but people still criticize me for it. Just trying to point out the double standard here is all. [That is the entire point of his video those his words btw[
His forearm was arguably parallel to the floor, yours was not. Also the strap was not so far down the forearm, even though its hard to consistently measure that.
He started with a high angle and it only became parallel when his arm opened up to the eccentric, but yeah, hard to say if it was exactly the same, but the point still stands: neither Derek nor I was doing a Devon lift.
Good analysis but in your own 57KG lift the forearm is not parallel to the ground, it has almost a 45° angle when the weight starts moving, I know you said you are ok with that but your problem with Derek's lift is that it's way too easy, at the core it doesn't fully target the pronator. The same thing is true about yours, you did 57KG but since the angle was so ample it means you probably can't lift 50kg off the ground with a parallel forearm, and also the pronator at that angle is no more fully targeted too, so in the end you are both doing it fundamentally wrong and in a decisive way or you are both doing it ok : P I think the objective answer is that your lift is not legit and 57KG are not comparable to the strength standards, you can train it however you want but if you want to use a table that has been created with weights based on a certain form, you cannot use as comparison an execution that makes the movement easier otherwise your numbers will be inflated, in the google sheet of the strength standards there is this exact disclaimer at the beginning. That's probably part of the reason why people are so surprised about your pronation lift results, they may be comparing it with the harder exectutions, it could also explain why your pronator doesn't fail before your back pressure, it's could be because you are unloading half of the load off it with the 45° angle Anyway keep up the good work!
Hi man, I get what you’re saying, but I think it misses the main point of this video: Neither me nor Derek were doing the Devon lift. We were doing our own versions of a backpressure/static pronation lift. My gripe was with Derek calling it the “Devon lift” and on top of that, Devon enabling him and saying that it was legit when it was clearly not. On the other hand, I have never claimed myself to be doing the “Devon lift” in my videos, but people still criticize me for it. Just trying to point out the double standard here is all. Thank you for taking the time to leave your detailed comment.
@@EastsideArmWrestling Hi man, I get what you’re saying, but I think you missed his entire point talking about your point... instead of answering his question you told him what he just watched hope you understand
@@kane2440 hi Kane, I understand what he’s saying, he thinks that my problem with Derek’s lift is that I think it’s too easy. That is wrong. That’s not my problem with it. My problem is him calling it a “Devon lift” and Devon blatantly lying to him, saying that it’s legit. Derek could’ve done whatever kind of lift he wanted for all I care. My problem is with false representation.
I prefer to do this lift with forearm parallel with floor sitting down, arm/ bicep fully closed, and the strap around just my hand, not the thumb or wrist. The farther back on your arm it is, the easier it will be.
To be fair, Derek's forearm is very long and what may appear to be halfway down your forearm, is probably just partially down his haha. I think you slightly exaggerated the level of tilt upwards and the degree to which the strap was low. And if I was being hypercritical of your first lift, I would say that from any angle for a posting back pressure/pronation style lift, your elbow and fist should be in a perpendicular line relative to the downward force to get the most accurate result. In a match however, it is important to recognize this leverage point that Travis Bagent even talks about of having your elbow ahead of your fist as much as you can for the most power. Do the lifts with a fair setup, but cheating the lifts can also teach you how to cheat the setup. ;)
I could’ve done the lift again, I never tired this variation before the one time I recorded it in this video, but the ease with which it went up tells me I could’ve done it too, even with a more parallel angle/higher strap. On top of that, I noticed that Derek’s one also started with a high angle, it’s just that his arm opening up was what caused it to become more parallel toward the end. That being said, none of that matters as the main point of the video is to say that neither of what we did were Devon lifts. And Devon telling Derek that his lift was legit is just misleading.
Haha i didnt expect those snippets 3 quarters through the video 😂😂😂😂 stirring the pot mate!
🤣 cookin up something fierce!
Respect, youtube arm wrestling channels have too many nuthuggers.
I don’t like being a hypocrite, but I just had to make this video, seeing as I’ve been criticized so much in the past before when I never claimed to be doing the “Devon lift”
Unfortunately Derek just happened to be the example for this video, nothing personal against the guy.
No where near the same angle bud
If I changed my camera angle it would look much more similar. That aside, that’s not the point. The point is that neither me nor Derek did a Devon lift.
This is why Travis gonna win the match
Haha, hopefully he takes the match seriously and comes in proper shape. Off the couch Travis, I believe, loses to Derek.
Bagent?
@@ancapgrandscribe9546 yes
@@EastsideArmWrestling for whatever reason it won't let me comment on your video, but wanted to know I'm subbed. Derek a poos
your legs is not shaking and you’re not shitting yourself so it doesn‘t count greg
I’ll try to squeeze some 💩 next time
even tho this is a easier lift, i dont get how ur so strong in the backpressure pronation
Based on how easy the weight went up, I could've put on more weight, but that doesn't really matter cuz it wasn't the point of the video.
I'm hoping that most of the viewers will be able to see past the lighthearted teasing at Derek and understand the main point: Neither Derek nor me were doing the Devon lift, but that's okay.
Yeah , it's unbelievable what robotic arm Greg has
Strength doesn’t necessarily always correlate with size and bodyweight.
Most 70KG lightweight world-class athletes are pulling anywhere from 52-60KG of backpressure.
It’s always baffled me as to why people can’t generally replicate Devon’s static pronation lift, It ain’t rocket science.
I'm fine with people doing their own lifts, if fact I do my own variation of it too. I just don't call it the "Devon Lift" unless I'm actually trying to do the lift.
because its humbling how little most can lift when they do the actual exercise
I do it with my wrist flat because no one can crack my wrist
But not everyone has 6ft5 height and 6'7 wingspan
What does that lift even do just do arm and wrist curls table time and you are good. If you have the energy to do more do heavy basics bench squat rows
Greg vs Derek EvW 15..
Hahaha, awesome video greg
🤣 The only way I’d have a chance if it’s a chess match
Derek definitely had a more difficult angle but yeah neither lift is a Devon lift.
I'm glad you saw the point of this vid: neither of us did a Devon lift. And I'm sure everyone can tell, based on how easily I lifted that even with an arguably easier angle, I could've put on more weight, but that wouldn't really add anything to the underlying point I was trying to make.
You have a neck like a stack of dimes…
Appreciate the support man!
Your neighbours doesn't complaining about the weights dropped on the floor noises??
Usually don’t drop them + I put a mat below to lessen the sound. I’m fortunate enough to have awesome neighbors, they do their thing and we do ours
You just assume everyone lives in an apartment?
Derek's arm looked like it was open past 90 degrees. Keeping your arm closed less than 90 degrees and not having your forearm parallel to the floor gives you a huge mechanical advantage. Open your arm up to 90 degrees, keep your forearm parallel to the ground and repeat the lift.
Unfortunately it wasn’t past 90
Is The kicking back of the wrist done to make the lift harder or is it just devons preference because it fits his style?
makes it much harder. targets pronation better, you should try it. I lose 7kgs on my lift by kicking the wrist back
Harder
Greg is a savage!
People always criticize me for doing the “Devon lift” wrong, but I never claimed or used the words “Devon Lift” in my videos.
And since Devon said this was a legit lift, I just had to make this video 😂
Both these lifts dont look good on angle
Both lifts aren’t Devon lifts
how much of your armwrestling gains/status do you attribute to weight lifting compared to table time? i’m quite curious
Upwards of 90% from weight training. Table time just doesn’t do much for me unless it’s close to competition and I’m practicing legit Ready Gos
fortunately nobody cares about Dereks armwrestling lol
He's getting some big matches now!
Form only matters for counting a PR. And with that it’s not really accurate to compare numbers as for millimeters of variance in angles can make for up to 20% difference in weight. If I’m doing the Devon lift where the inside of my elbow is at the same height as my hand I can hit 120-130lbs. If my elbow and hand are parallel it’s about 105-110. Riser is was more drastic
Strong 😅
Yet to have proven myself on the professional stage
@@EastsideArmWrestling really? Sucks you seem strong man
@@sinewyslacker8978 the opportunity will come soon, just have to sort a couple things out behind the scenes
ah yes, the irakli lift
Was he the one who popularized it? Interesting to know!
@@EastsideArmWrestling idk ive seen only irakli and procopciuc doing it
Great video, sums it up pretty well
Glad you enjoyed it, not saying that it’s a bad lift, just inaccurate to call it the Devon lift
I met Ford a couple months ago and he’s strong and this lift folks are doing isn’t what’s going to make it lol nonsense
🤣🤣🤣
you keep doing what you do best,greg. here to support you :)
edit: i love derek but....dude's too weak for his size ._.
Thanks, Derek is strong no doubt and he’s a great ambassador of the sport, just needs to get stronger for his size that’s all
It's time to replace derek with greg A.S.A.P
Derek is irreplaceable 🫶
"Smith Curls" are much easier than regular concentration curls too
I don’t mind, as long as they work for him, it doesn’t matter if the curl is easier or not. And he gave them their own name instead of calling them some other lift, so it’s fine.
What’s not fine is him and Devon claiming that what he did was the “Devon lift” which is clearly false
How long you been training bro? Hella strong
Started aw in 2010 casually. 2016 was my first real tournament
Derek weak as hell, he said his aspirations were to get to the top of the superheavyweight category, yet he’s not even close to getting into the top 30.
We’ll see how much he’s progressed in his upcoming match, hoping Derek does well
he’s stronger than you
I guess you are gunning for that supermatch against Derek then?
😂 neither of us would want that
@@EastsideArmWrestling his right vs your whole body
Yeah his form was a little eh, but as devon has said himself. Do what you feel works for you. Thats not the devon lift still lmao i dont get why people never understand how its done. Arm para to the floor, no cupping. and just lift it up slightly above the ground.
100% agree, at the end of the day, do what works for you, as long as you see gains and progress, that's all that matters.
Admittedly, this video was made a little out of frustration because I've gotten a lot of criticism for my past lifts when I never said I was doing the "Devon Lift" at all.
@@EastsideArmWrestling ''i have gotten criticism so let me criticise someone else'' is that what you just said?
@@kane2440 More like “I have gotten baseless criticism so let me show the double standard when Devon himself says that a totally different lift is ‘legit’”
@@EastsideArmWrestling don't let pointless dumb haters adhere to your mindset laugh at them.baseless is just that baseless
Thank you so much, I knew calling it the Devon lift would stir all types of shit lmao will watch when I get some time
Free attention! 😉
Good clickbait. For what it’s worth, I think it’s a fine lift to have in your training, just making it clear to my audience that what I’m doing and what you’re doing are not the “Devon” lift
On the other hand, I have never claimed myself to be doing the “Devon lift” in my videos, but people still criticize me for it. Just trying to point out the double standard here is all. [That is the entire point of his video those his words btw[
His forearm was arguably parallel to the floor, yours was not. Also the strap was not so far down the forearm, even though its hard to consistently measure that.
No they look very similar.
Bro way over-exaggerated the lift
He started with a high angle and it only became parallel when his arm opened up to the eccentric, but yeah, hard to say if it was exactly the same, but the point still stands: neither Derek nor I was doing a Devon lift.
Yeah and to see derek's lift we Needed slow motion because he was able to move It half an inch for half a second. Come on..
That a lift. Still count.
Was that the point of the video?
Sure, both Derek and I lifted weights off the floor. But the point is that neither of us were doing the “Devon” lift
I mean the simple fact that he lifted the weight off the floor is not the point
Good analysis but in your own 57KG lift the forearm is not parallel to the ground, it has almost a 45° angle when the weight starts moving, I know you said you are ok with that but your problem with Derek's lift is that it's way too easy, at the core it doesn't fully target the pronator. The same thing is true about yours, you did 57KG but since the angle was so ample it means you probably can't lift 50kg off the ground with a parallel forearm, and also the pronator at that angle is no more fully targeted too, so in the end you are both doing it fundamentally wrong and in a decisive way or you are both doing it ok : P
I think the objective answer is that your lift is not legit and 57KG are not comparable to the strength standards, you can train it however you want but if you want to use a table that has been created with weights based on a certain form, you cannot use as comparison an execution that makes the movement easier otherwise your numbers will be inflated, in the google sheet of the strength standards there is this exact disclaimer at the beginning. That's probably part of the reason why people are so surprised about your pronation lift results, they may be comparing it with the harder exectutions, it could also explain why your pronator doesn't fail before your back pressure, it's could be because you are unloading half of the load off it with the 45° angle
Anyway keep up the good work!
Hi man, I get what you’re saying, but I think it misses the main point of this video: Neither me nor Derek were doing the Devon lift. We were doing our own versions of a backpressure/static pronation lift.
My gripe was with Derek calling it the “Devon lift” and on top of that, Devon enabling him and saying that it was legit when it was clearly not.
On the other hand, I have never claimed myself to be doing the “Devon lift” in my videos, but people still criticize me for it. Just trying to point out the double standard here is all.
Thank you for taking the time to leave your detailed comment.
@@EastsideArmWrestling Hi man, I get what you’re saying, but I think you missed his entire point talking about your point... instead of answering his question you told him what he just watched hope you understand
@@kane2440 hi Kane, I understand what he’s saying, he thinks that my problem with Derek’s lift is that I think it’s too easy.
That is wrong. That’s not my problem with it. My problem is him calling it a “Devon lift” and Devon blatantly lying to him, saying that it’s legit.
Derek could’ve done whatever kind of lift he wanted for all I care. My problem is with false representation.
@@EastsideArmWrestling dont let them haters force yo ass to care this much lol
I prefer to do this lift with forearm parallel with floor sitting down, arm/ bicep fully closed, and the strap around just my hand, not the thumb or wrist. The farther back on your arm it is, the easier it will be.
😏 Ryan bowen?
Derek is the worst "pro" Armwrestler
He’s a great ambassador
@@EastsideArmWrestling and arm wrestler you forgot i gotchu
in what sense? how are you defining pro?
To be fair, Derek's forearm is very long and what may appear to be halfway down your forearm, is probably just partially down his haha. I think you slightly exaggerated the level of tilt upwards and the degree to which the strap was low. And if I was being hypercritical of your first lift, I would say that from any angle for a posting back pressure/pronation style lift, your elbow and fist should be in a perpendicular line relative to the downward force to get the most accurate result. In a match however, it is important to recognize this leverage point that Travis Bagent even talks about of having your elbow ahead of your fist as much as you can for the most power. Do the lifts with a fair setup, but cheating the lifts can also teach you how to cheat the setup. ;)
I could’ve done the lift again, I never tired this variation before the one time I recorded it in this video, but the ease with which it went up tells me I could’ve done it too, even with a more parallel angle/higher strap. On top of that, I noticed that Derek’s one also started with a high angle, it’s just that his arm opening up was what caused it to become more parallel toward the end.
That being said, none of that matters as the main point of the video is to say that neither of what we did were Devon lifts. And Devon telling Derek that his lift was legit is just misleading.