Lol... You're spot on about the whining, it's unreal. Got tired of it... I have built a few tube chassis trucks for customers... finally got around to mine... you are right, I hear it already... " Whyyy is he building a TRUCK when he builds much quicker cars... (silly rabbits)..." etcetera. Well, I guess to prove a dare... these guys never run on Oklahoma pavement... you have to show some people... okay, I am in. New GM panels... lol, on our ex alcohol car... now a truck, boom. Loved your content on " those guys " it earned my sub, appreciate it, I concur! KUDO'S, Seth
I run a 2wd ram with a reasonably capable cummins that hooks from a dig, people down at the local hangout won't mess with trucks cause "4wd is cheating" Bullshit, set your junk up to hook up and go and you don't have to worry about it.....
@@ColeN3463 understand. Left unsaid on this vid is the smaller motor AWD guys and how it's not so easy to setup an AWD to leave. Having done both....I'd say the RWD is actually easier.
I agree that awd is for sure an advantage, BUT there is nothing stopping anyone else from having it. It is just how I choose to build my street car. I chose cheap and easy traction that I can use at any time vs big horsepower that can only be used on special occasions. 🤙🤙
good points that’s why I’m looking for a 4x4 OBS now. Look up LadyBug awd Silverado thoses Texas boys been doing awd turbo trucks for a minute now. Dig your channel bro! Keep staying positive
Now to throw another variable in the mix when you go to big tire class 🤔Can you run a big tire rear and still the 10.5 wide front or are you limited to 10.5 all around Also could you stay in small tire if you ran 8in rear an a 3-4 wide front tire
💯 ! It’s all the Street Outlaw watchers. They just had the Episode on of daily drivers but NO AWD. That’s where it all came from. Diesel pick ups to the front.
im doing my 69 nova AWD for the safety factor. with 500 to 1000 hp it's very easy to have your rear tires, no matter the size, (running 335 / 35 r17 al 4 tires) loose traction INSTANTLY , at any speed, on corners, anywhere... Being my first car and never being wrecked, I sure don't want it smashed up now 40 years later...
My own opinion between the 2 is 4x4 can be turned off at really any given time awd can not now both have a place and a advantage over each other but its more or less up to the builder on which they wanna use
In a tire limited class (2 x 10.5) I don't care how you use your 21 inches of rubber. The whole idea of the class is the tire contact patch/traction is the limiting factor. 4wd/awd is no different than some dude running a dualie 2x2... would that be ok?
So $1500 four wheel drive Z71 "shitbox" 2 eBay turbos why not 600 bucks Nos kit 500 shot why not few hundred equals magical super win machine oh my going to beat every tube chassis car I know 😂😂 keep it up my man let's see some win light's and you're definitely right that is one of the things that makes street racing so fun
Lol...i accidentally got in the middle of one of these arguments. I commented, that I thought awd/4x4 should have their own class. I don't have a dog in the fight, but I'm about to get into no-prep. I couldn't really argue, because of my ignorance of all classes. Some guy tried to cut my head off in comments, so I asked him to explain his point of view. All he did was get more belligerent. I really just wanted be enlightened. I greatly appreciate your explanation. I learned several things about awd/4x4s and the big tire cars from your explanation. I'm coming to no-prep from mud racing, and we always had rule debates. I guess that's in any kind of racing. I've had tracks make rules against me specifically. As long as that doesn't happen here, I'm ready to jump on board in no-prep. Thanks for the info, and I appreciate a normal conversation and friendly info sharing. Good luck with your truck.
I mentioned it on another channel. Nobody gave a rats ass about 4WD/AWD a few years ago when those guys couldn't get them to work. Its the NHRA effect. As soon as something starts being advantageous out of the norm, it is going to get scrutinized and regulated. The 4WD trucks used to look like bucking broncos coming out of the hole. I do believe that 4WD should not be in small tire using the same 10.5/275 tire that 2WD cars are running. Its a simple matter of contact patch. When your class is solely devoted to limiting contact patch, allowing double the tire does not make sense. Maybe somewhere in the future a smaller tire will be acceptable to run in the small tire class? Like a 28x9? But thats simply my opinion. Something, something, opinions and assholes. Yadda, yadda. 4WD absolutely belongs in big tire when someone can roll out there with a 36" tire. Fair is fair and big tire is a very flexible class... Being a little hard on them big blocks though! Lol. I gotta 4WD big block.
I never had a problem with 4x4 / AWD trucks and vehicles in drag racing events. I actually find it quite comical when 4x4 trucks stomp on so called sports cars like Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, etc. I remember how the AWD GMC Syclone (I realize that an S-10 that the syclone basically is is not a full size truck but still)was actually faster than the same year Corvettes and european sports cars. My only concerns would be shredding transfercases.
If the class is set apart by a tire rule don’t you think it’s dumb to let a car in with twice the tire? I agree a 4500 lb awd truck has no advantage over a 2800lb fox on a 28x10.5, but a 2khp gtr does. It does a lot! Iv raced full size trucks my hole life, it’s are own fault if we want to race something that heavy. If it’s a tire limit class then the tire rule has to stand, if you have a true street, daily driver, tailgate ect.. class then bring it on. They don’t let big tire cars in just because they are 4500lbs and have parasitic loss.
@@DigginZ71 it’s not the cars fault they could only run a 28x10.5, they sell the big tires right beside the little ones. They limit the tire to limit the amount of power you’re able to put down, it doesn’t make much sense if you double the tire.
@@jacobgiesbrecht7806 if you watched the video at all, you’d see the entire thing was about 4wd in big tire and why if that’s the way the rules are going to be ran...there are no more legit complaints available.
@@DigginZ71 you were talking about them pushing the awd into big tire and how it was not fair. I don’t know what all went on there I’m just talking about where a awd would stand in small tire. Like I said I have a 4200 lb full size truck aswell, I get where you’re coming from, but it’s not any fun once you let a 3200 lb awd car into the race and your on bare asphalt. A car like that has no place in small tire, it should be in big tire.
I didn’t say it wasn’t fair. I said I disagreed but I get it. And it’s completely fair for someone to build a 3200lb awd. I had just as much opportunity to do it as they did.
Yes. Thats what I'm talking about. Run what you brung. Turbo/na/spray, big/small block, alcohol/gas/e85, fwd/awd/4wd/mid engine/rwd full tube car, Stock chasis, promod etc don't matter. So spot on what you said. Excuses cause you can't set up your ride right. That's racing. This ant Nascar where everyone drives same crap
The whole debate on all sides (and most arguments in street car racing equipment) is silly because you're just measuring which equipment mods are faster, and even within the same class the equipment is drastically different. So there's little driver skill involved. It's like racing whether my custom built desktop computer is faster than your custom build desktop computer. The racing events that are tightly regulated for equipment - NHRA, NASCAR, etc. actually do test driver skill so those are real races.
I agree with you if the no prep is average or better but when it's like Rockingham and Darlington I disagree all wheel drive has a huge advantage and Limpy has been the biggest supporter of all wheel drive in his races but even he say when it's a horrible surface it's a big advantage for the all wheel drives!🦅🇺🇸🦅
It’s not our advantage. It the other guys disadvantage, which is not our fault. It is not the awd fault that a poor surface narrows their margin of error. Just like it is not their fault we are overly heavy and cumbersome on a good one.
Lol. Go fuckin buy one! Let those rwd guys put there hands on a 1200 awd hp steering wheel ! It's no advantage. Damn wheel tries to rip out your hand. Lol it's definitely an approach. I've got over 300 test passes on my awd and still trying to figure it out. This was the best vlog video I've watched this year !
Awd/4wd shouldn't be in small or big tire. Someone will build a 3200lb Awd and its over. The tire or lack of it makes the racing tight. Why not run small and big tire together just two different approaches? If the goal is to make no prep more expensive keep Awd/4wd in small or big tire.
@@DigginZ71 Well put it this way if they let 4 wheel drive in the 2wd car count will fall way off and you still won't be competitive because the hitters will all be 4wd in no prep. Right now the tire is holding everyone back. Which will keep this alive for many years.
More weight can be an advantage in the hole shot cuz I mean look at them guys on no prep adding weight to the back of their car so more weight is an advantage sometimes. But what is your argument for someone that builds it all wheel drive that is 3300 lb like an S10 all wheel drive or something
The no minimum weight aspect is why I dont think guys should bitch, when you have to add hundreds of pounds of gear to the nose and a bunch of drag to the driveline. There is only a couple hundred feet there is any real advantage. The rest of the time there is a punishing side effect.
There is noprep and then there is street. No one on a big tire should complain about a 4x4 truck on noprep. There is a difference! Small tire guys are at a disadvantage against the 4x4 guys at both st and noprep though. Because traction is the clear winner here not power or weight.
I ran KOTS Chicago years ago when they put the red talon and opened the rules up.....It does matter in the beginning rounds.a AWD can leave better before the ramp up of a RWD with both drivers who know their setup on average........Thats like a big tire vs a small tire in the beginning rounds which one would you go with....In the later rounds it becomes less irrelevant when the rubber gets down and the tunes come back in.
In my opinion, in the early rounds any car that gets beat by an awd wasn’t cut out to win the event anyway. Of course anything can happen at anytime, but it’s the last round that matters not the first.
@@2stage90 I’ll take my front driveshaft out if other people start weighing my weight with my weight bias. Or they can put their skinnies on the back. It’s ridiculous to ask one racer to handicap himself just because his approach is different.
@@DigginZ71 I thought they were the same though...... ;) Its cool just busting your balls but in the early rounds it does make a difference from what I have witnessed and seen from legit 8/9 second street stuff. No prep nowadayz is just like running at a shitty track anyways...With all the sportsman racers jumping in for the pots its played out like Sega.Taker easy
Hell yea!!! I have a awd galant vr4 and people cry about it all the time!! As you said in a different way! I chose to build a awd and all these old school rwd guys choose to not improve their builds to keep up with the awd guys! Great video I plan to share!
Also, if awd/4x4 was such a magic short-cut gimmick, Miss Misery would've already been banned eleventy times from everywhere it raced because it's so dominant. Meanwhile in realityland the guy who built it spent how many years crashing and breaking shit trying to go fast. I love that truck but had he just taken the motor and stuck it in a rwd car he'd have been in the threes and 200mph in the 8th a long ass time ago. But that's not how he rolls. It would be funny as ever for more of the 1000hp baby motor awd civic/audi/talon/evo people to show up at these races and imagine the crying and wailing then if people are getting as upset as it seems over trucks. Like I said before, if you got modern tires, electronics and horsepower (and lets not forget downforce) then you have no excuse. Late 80s and early 90s would've been and was a little different but these days outside of racing on snow, gravel, torrential rain, oil slicks, hell no. As a slight sidetrack it isn't overly hard for someone who knows what they're doing to locate, purchase, fabricate and transplant an awd system (an active one even) of years past Ford/x-trac/whatever rallycross/rally/hillclimb provenance into a fox body or for some proper shits and giggles, something like a crown vic and see how well it works or doesn't for the amount of effort it takes. If it was easy and a guaranteed win, everyone would be doing it.
Miss Misery was nasty when he finally got it ironed out but was about 2-3 tenths of the pace to be competitive in e 10.5 outlaw class. If you’ve never seen that truck do some research. The guy was a badass chassis engineer and fabricator. Def one of my favorites to watch when he was running 10.5 outlaw. Always put on a show.
@@jonthomas2255 Bobby is most definitely a badass dude. I haven't kept up with what's been going on since he started figuring out getting all the fluid in the converter it wanted and getting the heat out of it. He's been 3.98 or something close last year right?
Is small tire raceing not about how much contact patch of the tire you put to the ground under power an maybe im wrong but 4 wheels under power is is twice the tire as 2 under power ?????
I think there’s tons of small tire no prep cars running 4’s on the street. I also think there’s one 4 second truck in the world on ANY surface...of awd won races because of traction, everyone would have it.
I think tire size is what keeps it close so if you have 2 time the tire puling i think thats an advantage thats all but much respect to you for choiseing a diffrent path if we where at the same race i would not cry about it we would race
All I heard was blah blah blah. Gonna he beat by a 2wd TBSS this week. Lol. I think that in the streets under 400 hp racing the same. It’s an advantage. Once you get up in HP and playing with the big boys. It’s an approach. Keep up the hard work brother. See you this weekend.
For the guys that want AWD/4WD in small tire: The whole reason there is a small tire class.. is to limit contact patch and level the playing field. If you’re turning two sets of 28’s (double the patch) how is that fair? And for the guys that say AWD isn’t an advantage at all.. I was in the Honda world for quite some time, and it’s damn near impossible to get a FWD car to go 7’s in the 1/4. Point blank. But guess what guys were able to do after only a few months of R&D with AWD civics? They were going 7.50’s and are about to go 6’s. It is 100% an advantage, and parasitic drag doesn’t matter when you guys are making 800+hp You don’t believe it? Go race a Subaru or an Evo on a rainy day 🤷🏻♂️
If you ran a civic, than you’d know that contact patch isn’t everything or you’d be cutting the same 60’ as a rwd car. And parasitic drag does matter when you are racing cars with as much and more power. But, that is part of the game. It was a choice and it’s everyone’s job to live with the build they raced. Some choose two tires and light weight. Some choose 4 tires and heavy. It’s up to the next 660’ to decide who made the better choice.
@@DigginZ71 contact patch literally is everything lol that’s why they make everyone run the same tire in every class from Top Fuel to x275 to 28” non W no prep. If anyone in any of those classes showed up to a heads up race with 4 slicks, what do you think would happen? No prep shouldn’t be any different. I wouldn’t mind sitting next to an AWD car but if they won the race you would have a lot of pissed off people. Time for a new class... small tire, big tire, and AWD. That’s the only fair way to solve the issue.
By trying to make a 4x4 work on the street your just adding more parts to break, parasitic loss (like you said) , 800-1K lbs heavier,ect ect... You absolutely hit the nail on the head when you said “if I just bought a fox and ran that I’d be going a lot faster”. So so true. And I thank you for being different and challenging yourself. 👍🏻👍🏻🤙🏻😎 If they throw you to the big tire wolves then fuck it, go make some money on the streets , fuck events.
I’m going to agree with the making awd/4wds run the big tire class. I call bullsh$t to the approach outlook you are choosing to take awd Is and will always be an advantage over a rwd car/truck. This being said I’m a fan of the truck I have a ls obs rwd I debated on making awd just for the Memes but I wouldn’t get butthurt when I got told I couldn’t run in the small tire classes anymore it is what it is. Stop whining it’s more impressive anyways if you can make a rwd stick to the road and still outrun those cars
....I literally said I disagree but I get it. Not sure what the whining is about. 10000% us 4wd guys are happy to race anywhere we fit in. Even when it’s next to big tire promods that turn around do the whining themselves.
You wouldn’t have made a video about if it didn’t bother you I’m just giving my opinion on the matter just as you have yours I’ll respect it but as far as letting awd into a small tire event full of rwd car/trucks there would need to be a handicap in place make them run hard tires no slicks or radials just plain ass street tires lol I don’t think the weight deal should be considered in the situation just as you said you could’ve put your time and money into a lighter car and been faster. That’s on you just as it’s on me if I go race a foxbody and get outran no hard feelings I chose a 5k pound truck because I like trucks but I will be building a lighter car/truck to get a little more serious with. And on another note I don’t agree with a lot of these races going on anyways most of the time the people putting on the races are always bending the rules to fit their buddies promods in against full weight street cars and trucks and it bullsh$t as well if the promods have a problem with letting awd in their class then they can sit at home with their tails tucked
Lol... You're spot on about the whining, it's unreal. Got tired of it... I have built a few tube chassis trucks for customers... finally got around to mine... you are right, I hear it already... " Whyyy is he building a TRUCK when he builds much quicker cars... (silly rabbits)..." etcetera. Well, I guess to prove a dare... these guys never run on Oklahoma pavement... you have to show some people... okay, I am in.
New GM panels... lol, on our ex alcohol car... now a truck, boom. Loved your content on " those guys " it earned my sub, appreciate it, I concur! KUDO'S, Seth
I run a 2wd ram with a reasonably capable cummins that hooks from a dig, people down at the local hangout won't mess with trucks cause "4wd is cheating"
Bullshit, set your junk up to hook up and go and you don't have to worry about it.....
How is 4wd cheating lol
@@mikebid1967 I'd say a prepped strip is cheating, otherwise everyone will spin out
Solid points all around. I also thing there’s more stress on awd vehicles as well
Racing is hard on parts across the board, regardless of the type haha.
Lot more moving parts to fail...
@@92GSXtacy exactly what I meant just had a hard time putting it into words haha
@@ColeN3463 understand. Left unsaid on this vid is the smaller motor AWD guys and how it's not so easy to setup an AWD to leave. Having done both....I'd say the RWD is actually easier.
I agree that awd is for sure an advantage, BUT there is nothing stopping anyone else from having it. It is just how I choose to build my street car. I chose cheap and easy traction that I can use at any time vs big horsepower that can only be used on special occasions. 🤙🤙
I definitely agree with this
good points that’s why I’m looking for a 4x4 OBS now. Look up LadyBug awd Silverado thoses Texas boys been doing awd turbo trucks for a minute now. Dig your channel bro! Keep staying positive
Now to throw another variable in the mix
when you go to big tire class
🤔Can you run a big tire rear and still the 10.5 wide front or are you limited to 10.5 all around
Also could you stay in small tire if you ran 8in rear an a 3-4 wide front tire
I agree 💯%.....The streets are an equalizer and so is no prep!!!
💯 ! It’s all the Street Outlaw watchers. They just had the Episode on of daily drivers but NO AWD. That’s where it all came from. Diesel pick ups to the front.
im doing my 69 nova AWD for the safety factor. with 500 to 1000 hp it's very easy to have your rear tires, no matter the size, (running 335 / 35 r17 al 4 tires) loose traction INSTANTLY , at any speed, on corners, anywhere... Being my first car and never being wrecked, I sure don't want it smashed up now 40 years later...
Hell yeah! And not to mention you’re racing CARS and turning on win lights in a PICKUP TRUCK
Big tire racers are bitching about awd now? WTF. That makes no sense.
Haha “I can’t win, so everyone must slow down to include me,”
My own opinion between the 2 is 4x4 can be turned off at really any given time awd can not now both have a place and a advantage over each other but its more or less up to the builder on which they wanna use
In a tire limited class (2 x 10.5) I don't care how you use your 21 inches of rubber. The whole idea of the class is the tire contact patch/traction is the limiting factor. 4wd/awd is no different than some dude running a dualie 2x2... would that be ok?
So $1500 four wheel drive Z71 "shitbox" 2 eBay turbos why not 600 bucks Nos kit 500 shot why not few hundred equals magical super win machine oh my going to beat every tube chassis car I know 😂😂 keep it up my man let's see some win light's and you're definitely right that is one of the things that makes street racing so fun
There's a reason the GTR are put in their own class!
Not at a street race or a no prep. Sorry but thats a track thang. At the track there’s all kinds of classes.
Good Day Sir. Can the 4x4 front diffential be converted to awd.
💯 agree with you!
Lol...i accidentally got in the middle of one of these arguments. I commented, that I thought awd/4x4 should have their own class. I don't have a dog in the fight, but I'm about to get into no-prep. I couldn't really argue, because of my ignorance of all classes. Some guy tried to cut my head off in comments, so I asked him to explain his point of view. All he did was get more belligerent. I really just wanted be enlightened. I greatly appreciate your explanation. I learned several things about awd/4x4s and the big tire cars from your explanation. I'm coming to no-prep from mud racing, and we always had rule debates. I guess that's in any kind of racing. I've had tracks make rules against me specifically. As long as that doesn't happen here, I'm ready to jump on board in no-prep. Thanks for the info, and I appreciate a normal conversation and friendly info sharing. Good luck with your truck.
To be fair, I am very, very biased hahaha.
@@DigginZ71 maybe coming from "making a truck hook" in mud, I'll be ok in no-prep, no matter what vehicle platform I choose...lol.
Technically you were in the real OG no prep true NO-street racing
I mentioned it on another channel. Nobody gave a rats ass about 4WD/AWD a few years ago when those guys couldn't get them to work. Its the NHRA effect. As soon as something starts being advantageous out of the norm, it is going to get scrutinized and regulated. The 4WD trucks used to look like bucking broncos coming out of the hole. I do believe that 4WD should not be in small tire using the same 10.5/275 tire that 2WD cars are running. Its a simple matter of contact patch. When your class is solely devoted to limiting contact patch, allowing double the tire does not make sense. Maybe somewhere in the future a smaller tire will be acceptable to run in the small tire class? Like a 28x9? But thats simply my opinion. Something, something, opinions and assholes. Yadda, yadda.
4WD absolutely belongs in big tire when someone can roll out there with a 36" tire. Fair is fair and big tire is a very flexible class...
Being a little hard on them big blocks though! Lol. I gotta 4WD big block.
Haha they are just easy to pick on 😂 but for me it’s like this...you can’t be the fastest on small tires if you aren’t the fastest on small tires.
@@DigginZ71 Truth! How far north you bring that truck of yours? I'm planning to race SC Takeover at MIR in Budds Creek MD with my truck.
That’s a pretty good ride for me haha. But you never know where I may end up!
@@DigginZ71 I hear you. I've got King of The Streets in Ohio I'm trying to compete in and that will be my long travel event of the year...
When someone says not fair, they mean I can't win against that.
I race Teslas, they win but I still try. My 750 is about the same match in power. I can win if the Tesla is on half charge or misses the start.
I never had a problem with 4x4 / AWD trucks and vehicles in drag racing events. I actually find it quite comical when 4x4 trucks stomp on so called sports cars like Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, etc. I remember how the AWD GMC Syclone (I realize that an S-10 that the syclone basically is is not a full size truck but still)was actually faster than the same year Corvettes and european sports cars. My only concerns would be shredding transfercases.
If the class is set apart by a tire rule don’t you think it’s dumb to let a car in with twice the tire? I agree a 4500 lb awd truck has no advantage over a 2800lb fox on a 28x10.5, but a 2khp gtr does. It does a lot!
Iv raced full size trucks my hole life, it’s are own fault if we want to race something that heavy.
If it’s a tire limit class then the tire rule has to stand, if you have a true street, daily driver, tailgate ect.. class then bring it on. They don’t let big tire cars in just because they are 4500lbs and have parasitic loss.
It is not the trucks fault someone chose the disadvantage of 2 tires vs 4. Plenty of them available on marketplace.
@@DigginZ71 it’s not the cars fault they could only run a 28x10.5, they sell the big tires right beside the little ones. They limit the tire to limit the amount of power you’re able to put down, it doesn’t make much sense if you double the tire.
@@jacobgiesbrecht7806 if you watched the video at all, you’d see the entire thing was about 4wd in big tire and why if that’s the way the rules are going to be ran...there are no more legit complaints available.
@@DigginZ71 you were talking about them pushing the awd into big tire and how it was not fair. I don’t know what all went on there I’m just talking about where a awd would stand in small tire. Like I said I have a 4200 lb full size truck aswell, I get where you’re coming from, but it’s not any fun once you let a 3200 lb awd car into the race and your on bare asphalt. A car like that has no place in small tire, it should be in big tire.
I didn’t say it wasn’t fair. I said I disagreed but I get it. And it’s completely fair for someone to build a 3200lb awd. I had just as much opportunity to do it as they did.
Yes. Thats what I'm talking about. Run what you brung.
Turbo/na/spray, big/small block, alcohol/gas/e85, fwd/awd/4wd/mid engine/rwd full tube car, Stock chasis, promod etc don't matter.
So spot on what you said. Excuses cause you can't set up your ride right.
That's racing. This ant Nascar where everyone drives same crap
The whole debate on all sides (and most arguments in street car racing equipment) is silly because you're just measuring which equipment mods are faster, and even within the same class the equipment is drastically different. So there's little driver skill involved. It's like racing whether my custom built desktop computer is faster than your custom build desktop computer. The racing events that are tightly regulated for equipment - NHRA, NASCAR, etc. actually do test driver skill so those are real races.
I agree with you if the no prep is average or better but when it's like Rockingham and Darlington I disagree all wheel drive has a huge advantage and Limpy has been the biggest supporter of all wheel drive in his races but even he say when it's a horrible surface it's a big advantage for the all wheel drives!🦅🇺🇸🦅
It’s not our advantage. It the other guys disadvantage, which is not our fault. It is not the awd fault that a poor surface narrows their margin of error. Just like it is not their fault we are overly heavy and cumbersome on a good one.
Lol. Go fuckin buy one! Let those rwd guys put there hands on a 1200 awd hp steering wheel ! It's no advantage. Damn wheel tries to rip out your hand. Lol it's definitely an approach. I've got over 300 test passes on my awd and still trying to figure it out. This was the best vlog video I've watched this year !
Haha it takes all kinds.
Awd/4wd shouldn't be in small or big tire. Someone will build a 3200lb Awd and its over. The tire or lack of it makes the racing tight. Why not run small and big tire together just two different approaches? If the goal is to make no prep more expensive keep Awd/4wd in small or big tire.
Being competitive in heads up racing is expensive no matter how you slice it.
@@DigginZ71 Well put it this way if they let 4 wheel drive in the 2wd car count will fall way off and you still won't be competitive because the hitters will all be 4wd in no prep. Right now the tire is holding everyone back. Which will keep this alive for many years.
Again, if 4wd is an automatic trip to the finals, I implore anyone to go buy one and build one.
More weight can be an advantage in the hole shot cuz I mean look at them guys on no prep adding weight to the back of their car so more weight is an advantage sometimes. But what is your argument for someone that builds it all wheel drive that is 3300 lb like an S10 all wheel drive or something
The no minimum weight aspect is why I dont think guys should bitch, when you have to add hundreds of pounds of gear to the nose and a bunch of drag to the driveline. There is only a couple hundred feet there is any real advantage. The rest of the time there is a punishing side effect.
There is noprep and then there is street. No one on a big tire should complain about a 4x4 truck on noprep. There is a difference! Small tire guys are at a disadvantage against the 4x4 guys at both st and noprep though. Because traction is the clear winner here not power or weight.
I ran KOTS Chicago years ago when they put the red talon and opened the rules up.....It does matter in the beginning rounds.a AWD can leave better before the ramp up of a RWD with both drivers who know their setup on average........Thats like a big tire vs a small tire in the beginning rounds which one would you go with....In the later rounds it becomes less irrelevant when the rubber gets down and the tunes come back in.
In my opinion, in the early rounds any car that gets beat by an awd wasn’t cut out to win the event anyway. Of course anything can happen at anytime, but it’s the last round that matters not the first.
Easy way to do it is take the front driveshaft out of yours and start calling people out in round 1....You will get your answer lol
@@2stage90 I’ll take my front driveshaft out if other people start weighing my weight with my weight bias. Or they can put their skinnies on the back. It’s ridiculous to ask one racer to handicap himself just because his approach is different.
@@DigginZ71 I thought they were the same though...... ;) Its cool just busting your balls but in the early rounds it does make a difference from what I have witnessed and seen from legit 8/9 second street stuff. No prep nowadayz is just like running at a shitty track anyways...With all the sportsman racers jumping in for the pots its played out like Sega.Taker easy
Hell yea!!! I have a awd galant vr4 and people cry about it all the time!! As you said in a different way! I chose to build a awd and all these old school rwd guys choose to not improve their builds to keep up with the awd guys!
Great video I plan to share!
Also, if awd/4x4 was such a magic short-cut gimmick, Miss Misery would've already been banned eleventy times from everywhere it raced because it's so dominant. Meanwhile in realityland the guy who built it spent how many years crashing and breaking shit trying to go fast. I love that truck but had he just taken the motor and stuck it in a rwd car he'd have been in the threes and 200mph in the 8th a long ass time ago. But that's not how he rolls.
It would be funny as ever for more of the 1000hp baby motor awd civic/audi/talon/evo people to show up at these races and imagine the crying and wailing then if people are getting as upset as it seems over trucks. Like I said before, if you got modern tires, electronics and horsepower (and lets not forget downforce) then you have no excuse. Late 80s and early 90s would've been and was a little different but these days outside of racing on snow, gravel, torrential rain, oil slicks, hell no.
As a slight sidetrack it isn't overly hard for someone who knows what they're doing to locate, purchase, fabricate and transplant an awd system (an active one even) of years past Ford/x-trac/whatever rallycross/rally/hillclimb provenance into a fox body or for some proper shits and giggles, something like a crown vic and see how well it works or doesn't for the amount of effort it takes. If it was easy and a guaranteed win, everyone would be doing it.
Miss Misery was nasty when he finally got it ironed out but was about 2-3 tenths of the pace to be competitive in e 10.5 outlaw class. If you’ve never seen that truck do some research. The guy was a badass chassis engineer and fabricator. Def one of my favorites to watch when he was running 10.5 outlaw. Always put on a show.
You can still find him in RvW 😬
@@DigginZ71 yessir. And he’s still a badass.
@@jonthomas2255 Bobby is most definitely a badass dude. I haven't kept up with what's been going on since he started figuring out getting all the fluid in the converter it wanted and getting the heat out of it. He's been 3.98 or something close last year right?
TRUTH!!!! Keeping it real!!! 100%!!!
Cancel Culture trying to enter the racing world. Slow down so I can keep up. LMAO! 🇺🇸🦅✌️
Is small tire raceing not about how much contact patch of the tire you put to the ground under power an maybe im wrong but 4 wheels under power is is twice the tire as 2 under power ?????
They sell 4wd everyday of the week, that’s my point 🤷♂️.
Can’t be the fastest on small tires if you aren’t the fastest on small tires.
You think you can put more power to 4small tires or 2 small tires?
I think there’s tons of small tire no prep cars running 4’s on the street. I also think there’s one 4 second truck in the world on ANY surface...of awd won races because of traction, everyone would have it.
I think tire size is what keeps it close so if you have 2 time the tire puling i think thats an advantage thats all but much respect to you for choiseing a diffrent path if we where at the same race i would not cry about it we would race
All I heard was blah blah blah. Gonna he beat by a 2wd TBSS this week. Lol. I think that in the streets under 400 hp racing the same. It’s an advantage. Once you get up in HP and playing with the big boys. It’s an approach. Keep up the hard work brother. See you this weekend.
I like this guy
Old... but 100% correct
Nailed it
Respect! Keep it up!
For the guys that want AWD/4WD in small tire: The whole reason there is a small tire class.. is to limit contact patch and level the playing field. If you’re turning two sets of 28’s (double the patch) how is that fair?
And for the guys that say AWD isn’t an advantage at all.. I was in the Honda world for quite some time, and it’s damn near impossible to get a FWD car to go 7’s in the 1/4. Point blank.
But guess what guys were able to do after only a few months of R&D with AWD civics? They were going 7.50’s and are about to go 6’s. It is 100% an advantage, and parasitic drag doesn’t matter when you guys are making 800+hp
You don’t believe it? Go race a Subaru or an Evo on a rainy day 🤷🏻♂️
If you ran a civic, than you’d know that contact patch isn’t everything or you’d be cutting the same 60’ as a rwd car.
And parasitic drag does matter when you are racing cars with as much and more power. But, that is part of the game. It was a choice and it’s everyone’s job to live with the build they raced.
Some choose two tires and light weight.
Some choose 4 tires and heavy.
It’s up to the next 660’ to decide who made the better choice.
@@DigginZ71 contact patch literally is everything lol that’s why they make everyone run the same tire in every class from Top Fuel to x275 to 28” non W no prep.
If anyone in any of those classes showed up to a heads up race with 4 slicks, what do you think would happen?
No prep shouldn’t be any different. I wouldn’t mind sitting next to an AWD car but if they won the race you would have a lot of pissed off people. Time for a new class... small tire, big tire, and AWD. That’s the only fair way to solve the issue.
@@SamFo94 so why is the fastest 4wd truck in the world .6 slower than the field in rvw? If 4wd was faster, everyone would do it.
@@DigginZ71 an awd civic is not heavy lol that shit is like 2000lbs or less.
@@GnarshredProductions and have you seen one that is competitive in a single no prep race, ever?
Awd/4wd should be allowed in big tire.
If you want action. You need traction!
Fucking TRUTH .
Yeap if they can't beat a truck with thier Big Blocks they just need to Cry like a Baby to Bad🚒👍
By trying to make a 4x4 work on the street your just adding more parts to break, parasitic loss (like you said) , 800-1K lbs heavier,ect ect...
You absolutely hit the nail on the head when you said “if I just bought a fox and ran that I’d be going a lot faster”. So so true.
And I thank you for being different and challenging yourself. 👍🏻👍🏻🤙🏻😎
If they throw you to the big tire wolves then fuck it, go make some money on the streets , fuck events.
AMEN.
Facts
Fuckin Colby kissin cousins 🤣 bro
I did say shots were fired haha.
I’m going to agree with the making awd/4wds run the big tire class. I call bullsh$t to the approach outlook you are choosing to take awd Is and will always be an advantage over a rwd car/truck. This being said I’m a fan of the truck I have a ls obs rwd I debated on making awd just for the Memes but I wouldn’t get butthurt when I got told I couldn’t run in the small tire classes anymore it is what it is. Stop whining it’s more impressive anyways if you can make a rwd stick to the road and still outrun those cars
....I literally said I disagree but I get it. Not sure what the whining is about. 10000% us 4wd guys are happy to race anywhere we fit in. Even when it’s next to big tire promods that turn around do the whining themselves.
You wouldn’t have made a video about if it didn’t bother you I’m just giving my opinion on the matter just as you have yours I’ll respect it but as far as letting awd into a small tire event full of rwd car/trucks there would need to be a handicap in place make them run hard tires no slicks or radials just plain ass street tires lol I don’t think the weight deal should be considered in the situation just as you said you could’ve put your time and money into a lighter car and been faster. That’s on you just as it’s on me if I go race a foxbody and get outran no hard feelings I chose a 5k pound truck because I like trucks but I will be building a lighter car/truck to get a little more serious with. And on another note I don’t agree with a lot of these races going on anyways most of the time the people putting on the races are always bending the rules to fit their buddies promods in against full weight street cars and trucks and it bullsh$t as well if the promods have a problem with letting awd in their class then they can sit at home with their tails tucked
@@stephenanderson6241 You must have not been to no prep races because it's not like that at all.
Sooo a complete waste of money. Gotcha.
Definitely kissing cousins, I seent it