I just watched maybe 9 videos on this topic and this one was hands down the top shelf presentation. It had the best and most accurate information and the gentleman instructing was absolutely perfect in his entire approach to teaching . Really in every way possible, this dude is just amazing. BRAVO.
0:39 if there was ever compressed air in a butane refill canister, it would have to be deemed as an explosive hazard, and not just flammable. In these (including most aerosol) canisters, a small portion of the butane boils and fills the void above its liquid phase. *It's this gaseous butane that provides the pressure.*
The bubbles are from the butane expanding into a gas. It won't stay in liquid form unless it's under pressure. What you're 'bleeding' off is the butane.
Excellent video, thank you! It seems the bleeding process is not venting compresses 'air' to the outside atmosphere, it is venting gaseous butane. Regardless, the evacuation of gaseous anything allows for more room for liquified butane, thus a 'fuller' lighter. Always a good thing. I have a question however. Forgive me if it was answered already. I have watched quit a few videos on this subject -my reasoning for why this is the best- but others have said to turn the flame level to its lowest point when refilling. Do you find this to be the case? If so, why?
Actually the higher the octane, the less cumbustible it is. Also, it depends what your car is tuned for so higher octane doesn't really equal better fuel. Has to do with compression ratio and knock resistance. Not really a good comparison.
All octane is for is to prevent detonation. When being compressed fuel starts to heat up and the high the compression the high the heat gets cause the fuel to ignite to soon which is what can seriously damage an engine or even kill it.
Perhaps the reason is the ignition process. When tank is full (or u are on high altitude) lighter will ignite only on low settings as pressure in tank is high (or there less air, oxygen around, thus u need to decrease amount of gas too). However when tnsk is low. Pressure is low. Thus u need to turn settings up to ignite lighter.
That's why I've gone to flint strike jet butane lighters. You can replace the flint just like a zippo. Always reliable. Can even replace the wheels if necessary. But how often does strike wheel actually wear out. And for soft flame clipper lighters are refillable and the strike wheel assembly comes right out for quick flint replacement.
@@steven3063 You can get the Butane cans in most cigar stores, if you don't have one close here's a link - www.famous-smoke.com/xikar-1.9oz.-high-performance/item-64517?pid=64517
I filled it with butane but it wouldn't light. I forgot to purge it first. Is that why it won't light? If yes, how do I pour out the fresh butane? Thanks.
Thanks for leaving a comment. In the office we use the tip of a pen to press the filling nub. Once pressed, you will see the fresh butane come out and if there is air still in the lighter that will come out after the butane. Then you should be good to fill back up and light.
@@CigarAdvisorMagazine Still having trouble with it. Tried to fill my little Vertigo torch with Colibri Premium Butane 99.999 pure. It sputters and leaks out when I try filling and so it fills the torch about 1/5 capacity. Maybe it's because I don't use a nipple adapter? However, the nipple does seem to fit. I tried another butane filler, and it still doesn't light - that puzzles me. Any ideas? Thanks.
Once you do it a few times you get the hand of it. Just bleed the lighter until nothing comes out, then fill it. Once it's full you will know. Hope that helps.
@@CigarAdvisorMagazine I was hoping it would be that easy but people are telling me you could get frostbite on your hands can turn colors or you have to go to the doctor immediately
I just tried this, the butane is just not going in. I tried to light it and caught my jacket on fire. Luckily a stop drop and roll put it out. Not trying it again.
There's no "air" in the lighter! Butane is a gas. When you compress it, it liquefies. As you use it, there's less liquid, so gaseous butane fills the space (not air). The point of bleeding is not to get the "air" out, it's to lift the ball valve off its rubber seal. After weeks or months being held together by high pressure, it sticks to the rubber. Bleeding after you fill just wastes butane. Push the valve briefly a couple times, then fill.
I just got a Xikar pipe lighter. Harder to see when its nearing full. I have not filled it yet. Can you over flow these lighters when filling them? Do I need to stop just short of the top?
The butane gas expands as the lighter is being filled which drops the temp of the butane. I usually just throw it in my pocket for a few minutes and it warms up.
You don't need a special tool, Just use a very small diameter phillips hear screwdriver or ice pick, needle nose pliers, large paper clip or other small diameter tool.
Omg .. the number of butane lighter i have accumulated over these years .. i was like omg why people buy butane lighter its so hard to full the tank and after 2 or 3 refill it stop working . Do every butane lighter have a bleeding valve ?
Compressed air or butane vapor? I cant imagine any need for compressed air when butane turns into vapor at atmospheric pressure and temperature. Thats why its "compressed". kinda like gasoline octane, you're literally wrong.
This was.. Surprisingly helpful. When I first started watching I was like wow this guy is some schmuck that thinks he's cool n he's just trying to sell a shit lighter. But nah that's not the case lol. Cool vid Didn't realize he's from Xikar. Not a schmuck selling his shit lighter- It's an aficionado selling his damn good lighters
"The higher the octane the better the burn". Thee higher the octane the slower the burn (which is why it is used to minimize knocking). "Down to Diesel"? Poor analogy dude. Vent BEFORE you start filling, not after... This guy owns a lighter company?? He should consider a physics class next...
He mentions "air" in the lighter several times. This is not accurate. If there was air in the lighter it would explode the first time you tried to light it!! What he means is butane gas under pressure. See the comment by Jeremy Keenan below.
What sheer stupidity. Higher octane only matters if the engine require it by design. Put high octane in your car that didn’t need it and all you do is waste money on gas that’s more expensive than you need. Hell diesel isn’t even gasoline so it’s irrelevant. Why not build a lighter that works with standard off the self butane rather than justifying unicorn farts being required for a fancy lighter. A lighter is a simple old tool like a hammer. Talking about what’s sort of pillow to store your gold plated hammer on won’t get nails driven any better but the channel has to make overproduced videos about something. Reminds me of the as seen on tv commercials : is lighting your hard and frustrating? Did you keep burning your house down. Well have we got the product for you....
What you said about gasoline is just not true. Research it yourself higher octane is a slower, cooler burning fuel.. There's absolutely no reason for it to be more expensive. It's just for certain motors that were designed for that fuel. It's a timing issue. As in how long it takes to burn. Don't be fooled by the pricing. That's the scam. First they convince you that "you get what you pay for". As if quality was the only driving force for worth. Then sell equivalent items at various prices to suit how much "quality" you want to afford. Performance engines are designed for higher octane fuel. Performance cars are more expensive. Therefore you can assume the same person who can pay for a pricer car, would likewise pay for a higher quality fuel. Now, butane could be and probably is completely different in these areas. I'm still lurning too...lol
Octane is an additive to prevent detonation under higher compression ratios, (or less commonly in some low compression engines with large displacements under high loads and high altitudes.... piston aircraft engines for example, which operate on 100 octane low lead gasoline). The price of a car has nothing to do with whether you need high octane or not. Compression ratio is the only things that matters. Higher octane fuel is more expensive because of the cost of additives... period. Not because of some bullshit mumbo jumbo of price manipulation by quality perception. Fuel needs to burn in a smooth constant flame front across the piston chamber. High compression can create areas where pockets of fuel and air detonate in a tiny explosion instead of a smoothly progressing wall of flame. This detonation is what you can hear as "pinging", and is very damaging to an engine, to the point it can cause catastrophic failures, literally blowing a piston apart over time. It's normally called for in a lot of luxury cars, not because of some snobby pretense, but because they're much more likely to have high compression engines, as performance is typically a selling point of those vehicles. Contrary to popular belief, higher octane fuels actually burn dirtier than low octane. The additives that prevent detonation don't burn as cleanly as the fuel itself. There's no reason to run any higher octane than needed to prevent pinging. If your engine (at your personal daily driving altitude and performance loads) doesn't ping with regular fuel, all you're doing is wasting money and making your engine run dirtier by using high octane. However, if you do experience detonation, you absolutely need to be running a higher grade fuel to prevent engine damage.
I just watched maybe 9 videos on this topic and this one was hands down the top shelf presentation. It had the best and most accurate information and the gentleman instructing was absolutely perfect in his entire approach to teaching . Really in every way possible, this dude is just amazing. BRAVO.
Excellent - the most comprehensive on the subject of filling a lighter with butane. Both verbal and camera work were efficient and informative.
exactly
Such an elegant presentation and clear explanation! Thank you!
Thanks for watching.
Man was so classy and helpful… impressive!
0:39 if there was ever compressed air in a butane refill canister, it would have to be deemed as an explosive hazard, and not just flammable.
In these (including most aerosol) canisters, a small portion of the butane boils and fills the void above its liquid phase.
*It's this gaseous butane that provides the pressure.*
I didn't know agent Smith did lighter lessons. "and that.... Mr Anderson, is how you get the most out of your lighterrrr."
🤣
😆😂
The bubbles are from the butane expanding into a gas. It won't stay in liquid form unless it's under pressure. What you're 'bleeding' off is the butane.
Great explanation and demonstration of bleeding the lighter. Thanks.
Thank you for leaving a comment.
Very good, and included the why? Answer to bleed , thanks
Excellent video, thank you!
It seems the bleeding process is not venting compresses 'air' to the outside atmosphere, it is venting gaseous butane. Regardless, the evacuation of gaseous anything allows for more room for liquified butane, thus a 'fuller' lighter. Always a good thing.
I have a question however. Forgive me if it was answered already. I have watched quit a few videos on this subject -my reasoning for why this is the best- but others have said to turn the flame level to its lowest point when refilling. Do you find this to be the case? If so, why?
Where do I find one of these multi tools with a torch bleed valve on it? I could not find one on the XIKAR site.
Actually the higher the octane, the less cumbustible it is. Also, it depends what your car is tuned for so higher octane doesn't really equal better fuel. Has to do with compression ratio and knock resistance. Not really a good comparison.
Brian De Jesus yeah all of what he said was b.s. about octane
All octane is for is to prevent detonation. When being compressed fuel starts to heat up and the high the compression the high the heat gets cause the fuel to ignite to soon which is what can seriously damage an engine or even kill it.
I always bled my torch before filling never right after filling. I just tried it and I'm amazed.
Glad it worked for you. Thanks for watching.
Clear tube is excellent teaching tool for us beginners... 👍
Excellent and straight to the point!
Thanks for watching.
Thank you! I have a nice Firebird torch lighter and I never knew I had to purge the air!
nice, that bleeding of the air works really well, just tested it.
Thanks for watching and glad it worked for you.
Can I bleed the air when lighter is empty of butane? Nothing comes when I trigger button, or charging nozzle.
Finally someone explained what I thought. Thank you
Thanks for watching.
Thank you for the detailed info and demonstrating.
Thanks for watching.
Is it best to bleed the lighter AFTER the first attempt to fill or..... should one bleed it before any attempt is made?
Wonderful tip. I'll be purging mine ASAP!
Thanks for watching.
Should I turn the flame adjuster down before refilling?
We usually recommend to turn it down.
@@CigarAdvisorMagazine just curios, why is this recommended? I've always seen and heard that, just didn't know why.
Perhaps the reason is the ignition process. When tank is full (or u are on high altitude) lighter will ignite only on low settings as pressure in tank is high (or there less air, oxygen around, thus u need to decrease amount of gas too). However when tnsk is low. Pressure is low. Thus u need to turn settings up to ignite lighter.
Wow thank you so much I find the clicker fails on a lot of lighter and I haven’t had one last more then a month
Thanks for watching.
That's why I've gone to flint strike jet butane lighters. You can replace the flint just like a zippo. Always reliable. Can even replace the wheels if necessary. But how often does strike wheel actually wear out. And for soft flame clipper lighters are refillable and the strike wheel assembly comes right out for quick flint replacement.
Excellent. Best info I've seen on this. Thanks.
Thanks for leaving a comment.
...you saved my life, man!
What a voice.. He should be doing movie trailer voice overs.
Thanks for watching.
where did you get that item that has gas to refill it because i have a torch and i wanna know what to use so i won’t have to buy another one
Thanks for watching. Not quite sure what your question is. The can has butane to refill your lighter with.
@@CigarAdvisorMagazine yea my question is where’d u get that from so i can refill my own
@@steven3063 You can get the Butane cans in most cigar stores, if you don't have one close here's a link - www.famous-smoke.com/xikar-1.9oz.-high-performance/item-64517?pid=64517
@@CigarAdvisorMagazine appreciate it
I filled it with butane but it wouldn't light. I forgot to purge it first. Is that why it won't light? If yes, how do I pour out the fresh butane? Thanks.
Thanks for leaving a comment. In the office we use the tip of a pen to press the filling nub. Once pressed, you will see the fresh butane come out and if there is air still in the lighter that will come out after the butane. Then you should be good to fill back up and light.
@@CigarAdvisorMagazine I'll try it, thanks. I'm wondering if the fault was not in my lighter but in the tip of the butane canister. It seemed leaky.
@@CigarAdvisorMagazine Still having trouble with it. Tried to fill my little Vertigo torch with Colibri Premium Butane 99.999 pure. It sputters and leaks out when I try filling and so it fills the torch about 1/5 capacity. Maybe it's because I don't use a nipple adapter? However, the nipple does seem to fit. I tried another butane filler, and it still doesn't light - that puzzles me. Any ideas? Thanks.
@@rubinsteinway It could be an issue with the filling valve. You may want to contact Vertigo. Sorry we couldn't help.
I want to introduce that guy to my daughter, I could sure could use such an eloquent son in law!
What is the name of that particular lighter? Where Can I purchase??
It looks like the Xikar Tech Triple Cigar Lighter, here's a link - www.famous-smoke.com/xikar-tech-triple-black?pid=41563
How to do it without transparent tank?
Once you do it a few times you get the hand of it. Just bleed the lighter until nothing comes out, then fill it. Once it's full you will know. Hope that helps.
What if you get butane on your hands?
Use soap and water to wash it off.
@@CigarAdvisorMagazine I was hoping it would be that easy but people are telling me you could get frostbite on your hands can turn colors or you have to go to the doctor immediately
@@StoneyAngel We have filled thousands of lighters and never had a problem with frost bite from filling a lighter.
I just tried this, the butane is just not going in. I tried to light it and caught my jacket on fire. Luckily a stop drop and roll put it out. Not trying it again.
Finally found a good video on thi!
There's no "air" in the lighter! Butane is a gas. When you compress it, it liquefies. As you use it, there's less liquid, so gaseous butane fills the space (not air).
The point of bleeding is not to get the "air" out, it's to lift the ball valve off its rubber seal. After weeks or months being held together by high pressure, it sticks to the rubber.
Bleeding after you fill just wastes butane. Push the valve briefly a couple times, then fill.
Thanks for commenting.
Why is gas leaking on my scorch brand torch
I was about to say the same thing. The bubbling is the atmospheric reaction.. the butane is boiling off into it's gas form. Lol funny video
I actually learned a lot from this video
I love your video and good jobs 👍🌋🔥. Will done 😊
Thank you for watching.
I can’t get my G.E.I. Pig lighter to work!?
Hey where can I get one of those multi tool with the torch valve bleeder on it?
Look up a Czech tool for pipe smoking
Excellent video.
How thorough and professional is that?
Very
I just got a Xikar pipe lighter. Harder to see when its nearing full. I have not filled it yet. Can you over flow these lighters when filling them? Do I need to stop just short of the top?
I don't think you cab overfill. The fluid will start to squirt out once it is full.
wow, I just liked your voice. subscribed! lol
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Thank you very helpful!!
Thanks for watching.
I can't get any butane to go through my lighter after refill
My lighter was cold from refilling it. Why is that?
The butane gas expands as the lighter is being filled which drops the temp of the butane. I usually just throw it in my pocket for a few minutes and it warms up.
@@CigarAdvisorMagazine Thank you
Thanks for this,I never knew this!👍👍
Thanks for watching.
Thanks you're a great teacher
Thanks for watching.
Awesome video. Thank you.
Question I did everything the video said to do but yet my torch won't light what am I doing wrong please respond back
Mine won't light either
Well done. Thanks.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the instruction and tips.
Good job!
Thanks for watching.
Excellent
Thanks for watching.
@cigarAdvisorMagazine Thank you so much. I was certain that i was about to blow my entire hand off and then this video popped up
Thanks for posting
Nice advise!
Best one
Cool and some good tips on bleeding
So profesional,tnx!
Thanks for watching.
Everyone on these videos use a tool or multitool to bleed the lighter when filling. But NO ONE SELLS A TOOL! Where can I get one?
You don't need a special tool, Just use a very small diameter phillips hear screwdriver or ice pick, needle nose pliers, large paper clip or other small diameter tool.
Please, lower the lighting just a little bit more?
Thanks for watching.
Now he’s gonna go smoke a Swisher Sweet behind the liquor store.
mine still doesnt work
Omg .. the number of butane lighter i have accumulated over these years .. i was like omg why people buy butane lighter its so hard to full the tank and after 2 or 3 refill it stop working . Do every butane lighter have a bleeding valve ?
Most of them do require bleeding because air gets caught in the valve. Glad we could help and thanks for watching.
Did not know that!! Thanks!
Thank's brah.
"the lighter's engine" ?
Are you Mr. Anderson from the Matrix?
No.
that was nuts
Thanks!
Excellent tip.
I was waiting for the twilight intro, that voice
You were doing so well until you started talking about cars
Compressed air or butane vapor? I cant imagine any need for compressed air when butane turns into vapor at atmospheric pressure and temperature. Thats why its "compressed". kinda like gasoline octane, you're literally wrong.
This was.. Surprisingly helpful. When I first started watching I was like wow this guy is some schmuck that thinks he's cool n he's just trying to sell a shit lighter. But nah that's not the case lol. Cool vid
Didn't realize he's from Xikar. Not a schmuck selling his shit lighter- It's an aficionado selling his damn good lighters
I feel like this guy does "Audio Books"
"The higher the octane the better the burn". Thee higher the octane the slower the burn (which is why it is used to minimize knocking). "Down to Diesel"? Poor analogy dude. Vent BEFORE you start filling, not after... This guy owns a lighter company?? He should consider a physics class next...
Actually, I meant a smaller tool other than the round one called the "thing" or something like that...
Should have said two stroke, not diesel.
I bleed every time I fill my lighter.
You might want to see a doctor about that. You may have a clotting disorder.
Information very forcefully received
Thanks for watching.
He mentions "air" in the lighter several times. This is not accurate. If there was air in the lighter it would explode the first time you tried to light it!! What he means is butane gas under pressure. See the comment by Jeremy Keenan below.
A brand-new butane torch usually comes empty, so there could be air in the tank in that case.
Wow no doubt, I ruined a nice Bugatti lighter I think because I never did this. It just stopped working one day. Was a great torch!
Lol.
What sheer stupidity. Higher octane only matters if the engine require it by design. Put high octane in your car that didn’t need it and all you do is waste money on gas that’s more expensive than you need. Hell diesel isn’t even gasoline so it’s irrelevant. Why not build a lighter that works with standard off the self butane rather than justifying unicorn farts being required for a fancy lighter. A lighter is a simple old tool like a hammer. Talking about what’s sort of pillow to store your gold plated hammer on won’t get nails driven any better but the channel has to make overproduced videos about something. Reminds me of the as seen on tv commercials : is lighting your hard and frustrating? Did you keep burning your house down. Well have we got the product for you....
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Such NONSENSE that you need to buy expensive butane. I've had torches last YEAR'S using basic butane.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Kind of feel like your over thinking it. It is just refilling your lighter, it's not a craft.
What you said about gasoline is just not true. Research it yourself higher octane is a slower, cooler burning fuel.. There's absolutely no reason for it to be more expensive. It's just for certain motors that were designed for that fuel. It's a timing issue. As in how long it takes to burn. Don't be fooled by the pricing. That's the scam. First they convince you that "you get what you pay for". As if quality was the only driving force for worth. Then sell equivalent items at various prices to suit how much "quality" you want to afford. Performance engines are designed for higher octane fuel. Performance cars are more expensive. Therefore you can assume the same person who can pay for a pricer car, would likewise pay for a higher quality fuel.
Now, butane could be and probably is completely different in these areas. I'm still lurning too...lol
Octane is an additive to prevent detonation under higher compression ratios, (or less commonly in some low compression engines with large displacements under high loads and high altitudes.... piston aircraft engines for example, which operate on 100 octane low lead gasoline). The price of a car has nothing to do with whether you need high octane or not. Compression ratio is the only things that matters. Higher octane fuel is more expensive because of the cost of additives... period. Not because of some bullshit mumbo jumbo of price manipulation by quality perception.
Fuel needs to burn in a smooth constant flame front across the piston chamber. High compression can create areas where pockets of fuel and air detonate in a tiny explosion instead of a smoothly progressing wall of flame. This detonation is what you can hear as "pinging", and is very damaging to an engine, to the point it can cause catastrophic failures, literally blowing a piston apart over time.
It's normally called for in a lot of luxury cars, not because of some snobby pretense, but because they're much more likely to have high compression engines, as performance is typically a selling point of those vehicles.
Contrary to popular belief, higher octane fuels actually burn dirtier than low octane. The additives that prevent detonation don't burn as cleanly as the fuel itself. There's no reason to run any higher octane than needed to prevent pinging. If your engine (at your personal daily driving altitude and performance loads) doesn't ping with regular fuel, all you're doing is wasting money and making your engine run dirtier by using high octane. However, if you do experience detonation, you absolutely need to be running a higher grade fuel to prevent engine damage.
Hahaha. Wow. Not very smart. His idea of octane gas is all wrong.
This guy is fine af
Thank you. Great video.
Thanks for watching.