What happens if you remove every PC fan while undervolting
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By undervolting the CPU & GPU, is it possible to run a fully passively cooled system? And are the trade-offs for heat, noise and performance ultimately worth it in the end?
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FYI this is the same PC that I gave to my friend's dad in the Alienware pre-built video but this was shot a week before I gave it to him. All the fans were reinstalled and AFAIK the system has been working well for him. :)
ok bitwit
We were damn confused bruh
What if not undervolting?
Can you do an updated pc build video pls?
Hey Kyle an invitation to Islam...PCs can die and so will we..what matters is what we take with us in our graves. Islam is a way of life which appeals to your natural instinct..i.e acknowledging our Creator and worshipping Him alone without any partners. If you throw a ball at a baby the baby does not look at the ball but rather at who threw it..its the same with us...we are searching for our Creator. If a pc case was pit right before our eyes and someone said this literally just popped into existence...would u believe it? Its the same way with us..how can something as complex as a human being just pop into existence. This message is sincerely from the bottom of my heart brother.
"how to be quiet"
remove all of the fans, its quiet
don't power it on -> ultra quiet!
No pc -> ultra ultra quiet!
Perforate your ear drums you’ll never hear that pc.
Lock yourself in a concrete box with thicc walls->...
Untill it explodes or starts sizzling
New Punchline:
“You can be a fan of PC Gaming, without the fans.”
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@@ryanhall8770 its gonna be underrated then gonna have alot of likes.
that was too cheap, I can't like, have morals
Sean D might wanna recalibrate that moral compasses of yours, seems to lead you away from a good laugh.
Dad how did you find out about Bitwit?
I thought this PC was for me when I saw the title!
lol
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Very old RUclips user lol
Damn you joined 14 years ago
"This is obviously a red flag."
Me playing at ultra settings with my cpu at over 80 degrees: This is fine
Haha, this was my imac's life, then I sold it for 66% of the original value 👌
Ah, a fellow 7700k owner.
Me, a laptop owner:
70 DEGREES?? THATS PRACTICALLY LN2 NUMBERS!
I bought a new cpu cooler and get 30° less while gaming. The thing was 30$
Intel i7 10750H pegged at 94 degrees: [Insert meme here]
"this video is sponsored by be quiet!"
ME: I didn't say anything! Just tell me who the sponsor is.
Mood 😂🤣
*mood.*
*Jonathan Gaylindo69 gacha* gill yes white boy it’s a term saying that it made me laugh
“Roses are red”
“Violets are blue”
“As long as Kyle suffers”
“He gets a view”
"It's a classic" the classic part was Wifeysauce making sounds I didn't know a human could make.
Ive made a reaction with that video and wifeysauce sounds like possessed
WeirdChamp
When you realize this is the PC that Kyle gave his friend's dad in the previous video.
this vid was probably recorded before that one
It's probably just the same case and cpu heatsink. I dont think it's the same spec as the other one
@@arrulli7878 and same mobo... and same ram... and same gpu...
Owain not the same gpu
its a different gpu and he explains in the beginning where this pc is from
Hey Kylie you should definitely rename the video . This is hands down one of the best tutorials i have ever seen on undervolting 🙌
16:35 kyle becoming a freestyle rapper
In the first 5 minutes I heard "I have already benchmarked this" so much I had to make sure the video was not on a loop 😆
That was impressive! I'll keep undervolting in mind in future builds!
Thanks for this vid Kyle! Really glad I watched it cause I'm just starting to get into overclocking and i'm not really sure how exactly to do it. the videos i've watched didn't really show the actual process of finding that sweet spot. I was already kind of doing it this way but I wasn't sure if what the heck i'm doing was correct. Lol
Kyle: Does after a single run of cinebench R20 "I'd be comfortable running this 24/7"
Buildzoid: "yeah, I'm going to need to see a few hours of Prime95"
"Let's remove all the fans of this build"
PC: "WHY am I here, JUST TO SUFFER??"
Man I love your videos! I never would have thought of this! Just opened so many possibilities for me. Keep 'em quality vids coming 👍
I’ve never used a fan in my build and it’s worked fine. Doubles as a space heater
This is an awesome video explaining under-volting. I had a vega 64 a couple years ago and this video would have saved me so much time with under volting it. This video is going to help a lot of people stabilize their GPUs lol
I want to see more updates on the studio. Nice benchmark today tho :D I was interested what would happen
Next video: Removing all my fans from my RUclips channel
This is actually a better overclocking video then most on youtube :)
Dear, Kyle and Lyle Its been two weeks since the last studio update PS. i love the studio videos Sincerely, Meet Kaden
I actually have a 300rpm fan curve for silence purposes. I often forget to fix the fan curve when i game, and then i get BSOD and cry.
good luck
Him „Do you remember this PC?“
Me who watched the video building this PC bevor watching this video:
[Visible Confusion]
Imagine how good it would have been undervolting WITH the fans...
"this is obviously a red flag"
then it's just me playing at 93 degrees on my laptop
laptops are a lot different. 90c is pretty standard under load
@@bradhaines3142 ik
I wanted to undervolt my 10th gen Intel CPU...but then I learned that undervolting is disabled in the BIOS. D'oh! Never buy a laptop powered by an Intel CPU.
@@CaveyMoth lol mine doesn't do it either don't worry, it's a ryzen 5 chip plus laptops aren't meant for overclocking
@@asduhaisjdjasd Next time I buy a laptop, I want full flexibility over my CPU. Overclocking, undervolting, changing power targets, etc. I love being able to tinker all the things..it feels like I'm in charge of my hardware.
Great video, you've gained a new *fan*
Pun-believable
I'd like to see this experiment repeated but with a couple hardware changes - perhaps there are some passive cooling options you could add? This idea could really help PC builds for audio production where fans are super annoying. Thanks for the video. I didn't know undervolting could make such a difference.
Finally a video on AMD BIOS UNDERVOLT. thank you
So you just made my dad's dell?
My dad must have the same Dell. ...RIP
Great video, learned a lot. Next step would be to add the fans back into the under-volted config and see what temps that gets.
After seeing Jay run all kind of benchmarks without thermal paste - I believe in anything when it comes to cooling.
For the GPU undervoting I think that you can use the arrow keys to put in your exact freq.
Hey mate, don't use the VID value when manually overclocking Ryzen, its totally inaccurate the second you set the clock speed manually, it basically defaults to the lowest value in the VID table.
Use the On-die sensor under the temps "CPU Core Voltage (SVI2 TFN)" is what you want to use. It's been tested with direct hardware voltage readouts in oscilloscopes and is within 5mv accurate.
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why does kyle remind me of a small child with a million dollars. aka the david dobrik of pcs
Nice how the temps can be reduced without any significant performance loss! Keeps the system cool and quiet, the thermal paste everlasting without ever drying out, reduces system power consumption, and has only benefits overall. Tomorrow I am going to undervolt my Ryzen too ;)
I already did this idea back in 2005 with a thing called the Zalman Reserator. I helped my friend build a totally fanless gaming PC build with that thing, watercooling the CPU and GPU, and removing any of the fans from the system (also used a Seasonic fanless PSU.) It was completely passively cooled. It was insanely quiet -- the loudest thing being the water pump which itself was also insanely quiet. It ran under load at pretty decent temps too ;)
That 7nm process is really amazing... you should try with a 5700 xt that is also 7nm i think you will succesfully remove all fans of the gpu with an undervolt.
It's funny to think that the RTX 3090 will be based on 7 (or 6, who knows)nm, but it will be the hottest boi since...well, it'll be hot. Perhaps with undervolting, it will be tamable.
8:30 wouldn't not having XMP profile running make the memory controller on the chip run cooler?
I swear Kyle said that he benchmarked the system before hand like 4 times
To this day I actually still rock my Dark Rock 3 (pun face) in my main rig, its Silent Wings are whisper quiet, and that's coming from a noise freak. 😬
I built a new PC and used all Bequiet fans and a Dark Rock cooler. The thermals are good and even at 100% load (including the GPU) the whole thing is super quiet. Definitely happy with my choice.
When mom says the electricity bill is too high
My dad leaves the TV on in the living room all day, along with an old Phenom II X6 1090T based computer.
Kyle:fanless pc
Lyle:waitt I THROUT KRYLE IS FANRESS
noice
That's a spicy build 🍗
Title : Removing fans
Actual Video : How to undervolt your system
I'm pretty sure cinebench isn't a long enough test to show full stability
Kyle you can use the +/- keys to increment/decrement the voltage in the BIOS.
May be worth increasing the VRM switching frequency while undervolting - it helps with transient response.
Also, make sure there is at least SOME vdroop - use the setting that gives the least slope, but SOME slope.
Wait. Wasn't this the PC you gave Dave's dad in the previous vid?
This was shot before
yea i was thinking the same but kyle did it before the other vid they guy in the reply said
cooling-less PCs more like how to setup an oven
Can you make another build guide on putting a pc together? You made one 4 years ago but I feel that you could make a better one now.
What I want to know is how much power each setup used from the wall? My pc heats up the room with all the power draw and I'd give up performance to fix that
hey Kyle im pretty sure you can use the arrow keys for the dots in MSI afterburner
Have you tried rotating the CPU heatsink 90° and vertically mounting the GPU? I feel like making a convection-friendly layout would significantly change the layout, especially in the GPU where hot air would tend to linger near the PCB.
Kyle AwesomeSauce Bitwit answering the truly important question as always
as a suggestion, try leaving a couple of 140mm fans in the front on a very low rpm with the gpu on a zero rpm curve and nothing else. with a hefty cpu cooler it can be just enough for casual browsing
He finally stopped the music to let us listen at 2:17
This would be very easy with a cool running Xeon, a bunch of aftermarket heatsinks, and a case with big vents on top and bottom. Block the side vents, mount the case upside down, so the hottest components (CPU, GPU) are near the bottom. Use standoffs to lift the case at least an inch off a surface. This will set up maximum natural convection.
This really showcases how much thermal headroom you can gain from just dialing down your OC a little and undervolting. This is kind of an extreme example, but you can easily cool a 3950X with a tiny cooler like the Noctua L9i if you just give up 5% of performance.
More than the zero fan challenge, this video thought me more about Afterburner overclocking/shortcuts and overclocking in general lol.
kyle someones gonna actually try this
seeing your voltages compared to my 9700k really shows the architecture advancements AMD had made over Intel. the efficiency is impressive on all those cores.
He is going insane,he could have gave that thing away to his fans.
Hi Bitwit I love your videos
I under volt all my Intel laptops. I got my dad a new XPS 15 six months ago, and I underclocked and undervolted that thing so low the poor thing ended up in hell, but it was frozen over, because when you take out HALF the performance of the Intel CPUs, they can finally not thermal throttle all the time, so the fans can be at less than 100% more than 0% of the time, every time.
I noticed that you did not turn on xmp as seen at 10:39 witch I’m sure is impacting the performance compared to the system with fans
He did before but with the crash he had to clean the cmos and it put his ram back to 2400mhz.
Did anyone else try to hear it and then hear their own fans 😂
@2:12
2 options
1 - less power hungry GPU with bigger cooler - like 2060 triple slot card.
2 - slap a CPU heatsink on the GPU instead of the original cooler.
I have done the same thing with a system having 3570k and 750ti in it. Same CPU cooler (or even bequet smallest entry slim rock cooler works) and the GPU was KalmX model that comes with passive cooling and no fan from the factory. Its not high end gaming rig but makes for one hell of a quiet HTPC.
When is LYLE gonna give us a TOUR OF THE NEW PLACE
Kyle, if you've noticed, the allowed voltage comes as a multiple of 0.0125V. Consider this for your future tests :)
Does just changing the power profile percentage number in Windows power management do anything substantial for temps? Like only allowing it to max out at 50 or 60%?
Yes, I actually got annoyed with my idle temps, that was rather high with Ryzen optimized profile. The power safer profile fixed that and usually can't notice a difference in speed.
Undervolting is super efficient. I pay my own electrical bill, one of the perks of growing up. I've started playing around with undervolting a little while ago. Brought my GPU temps down about 15°c and the power draw went down from 220w+ full load to around 150w full load. Obviously not as good as a full overclock when you play with the powerlimits but hey, it works. You don't really need the full performance of your card when you are already getting high frame rates. Throw the fans back in, and your temps drop even more. But my electric bill went from $300 every 2 months, to $115. So i guess i did something right.
Nice experiment. What if instead of undervolting/underclocking your Ryzen CPU, you limit your PPT in the overclocking options of the AMD OC menu in BIOS?
For R9 3900 (TDP 105W) PPT= 144W, then you go into the AMD overclocking options, go into PBO, set to manual, go to PPT set to manual (or advanced can't remember right now) too, and then set PPT to something like 134, then try 124, then 114, etc. till you hit the right equilibrium between temps and performance.
The big plus with this is that you keep all the turbo boost functions so your R9 3900 should still be able to boost to 4.6GHz on a single core (So its a good idea to check single core temps too)
Far as I know your cores should be able to go to sleep (hwinfo usually wont show this, only Ryzen Master) but of course W10 power plans should be set to around 5% minimum processor state for that to happend.
Wait, this is the computer that you replaced the old Alianware pre build for the dad of your mate right?
This was shot before
Kyle has commented to say it is that PC.
You should add a decibel meter to your toolset. See how loud each system is.
This pc is fanless, just like Kyle...
ouch
Yo Kyle I don't know if your still using your mesh network, but if you could ever review the Amplifi Alien I think you'll quite like it! Or just Wifi 6 in general.
Idk why you aren't starting with stock settings and Offset Voltage, as this would be the way to maintain performance while decreasing heat output
Seems like some good power gains could be had too, maybe chip makers should focus more on efficiency?
2:15 i didnt hear kyles system,i heard my laptops fans,i have headphones
Would be cool if you redid the test, with 1 fan intake in the front, and 1 exhaust in the back. Set the Fan speed to like 1200 RPM (Something super quiet idk).
I would like to know how much dust a fanless system would collect verses one with fans.
It all depends on orientation and ventilation, my friend. Take a case with a solid top panel, such as the Lian Li TU150. Without any airflow, there ain't any dust gettin' in that bad boy, I tell you what. But get a perforated top panel, and the dust will slowly fall into it.
@@CaveyMoth I meant over time compared to an identical system with fans. Would there be more dust or less dust?
@@sopcannon It could actually go either way, I think. Fans help push dust out of the system, but they can also bring it in. Hmmm.
What were the temps before you took the fans out? Before and after cinebench
Ah, yes. The fine sounds of Coil Whine sheering your ears.
my pc is the opposite of this because ambient is triple digits more than half the time, fanless is NOT an option
@@virtualtools_3021 Neighbors lawn mowing go BRRRRRR
@@virtualtools_3021 You live inside a Volcano? you would be dead if your ambient is at least 45°C or more.
Edit: I forgot Kelvin exists, if your ambient is around 300°K you should be fine
I've not finished watching the video, but is it possible to turn the cpu heat sink 90 degrees? The completely passively cooled cases use vertical heat channels to allow convection to slowly pull air through the fins.
anyone else got a ringing year when he did the quiet test
16:35 Brain.exe Not Responding
What program is Kyle using to measure his speed and temperature when showing the Before numbers? He might have said it but I missed it and can't find it
But the Cinebench test runs pretty quick with 12 cores, I'm not sure it's enough time to saturate the heatsink. I wonder what temperatures would be if you ran it for an hour or if you gamed with the PC for a few hours, there is no way for heat to get out of the case easily (the top isn't even vented) so eventually it would warm up and thermal throttle I think. Maybe if it's an open bench it would work long-term with a bit more underclock/undervolt.
Title should be how i set my studio on fire
All you need is enough heatsink or radiator
where do you get these ideas from?
You should try using Thermalright Le Grand Macho RT or something that is actually designed for passive cooling :) that would help so much :) this cooler probably has too dense fin stack for passive cooling :)
Wipe off the hot sauce stains while you're at it
undervolting is pretty darn awesome. But Dell and Intel removed it for my XPS 9560 which really needs it.
@bitwit msi and other motherboard manufacturers have implemented something under pbo were you can set the cpu power limit to 45 or 65 watts and still get 100% of your gaming and single core performance. just throwin that out there for my bros.
One day Kyle will realize you can use +/- to go up/down 1 increment in most UEFIs
one day. ONE DAY.
This'll be interesting. Running the same Case and GPU. Only difference is I run a 3600. CPU on load at 59C which is a tad high for my liking and it's just audible.
Did you benchmark it, with the side panel on, before doing all this? I'm not sure I heard you state that the 4x you said it, once more would have made sure I heard you.