This channel is so under rated! Very good explanations and overall presentation on how to tackle the overclocking by yourself. I give you a big thumbs up for this video! Just got my 5950x 2 days ago and did not have much success with overclocking until I found out this video, so thanks! :)
This was incredible! You had me running my pbo/static oc in no time. Now, given that I have some experience doing both and already had my pbo decently tuned up, I pretty much slapped what you tried into mine and Holy crap batman! Did it ever work! Time for some fine tuning, lol. Also, this really was one of the best, in depth videos I've seen on this subject. I've looked into overclocking videos for about 2 years now and am exceedingly annoyed I haven't seen you before. Keep up the great work!
Awesome to hear! PBO works wonders. When I first enabled it I was very impressed with AMD and the work they have done to build in the ability to easily scale up performance with good cooling.
I just got the 5950x using Asus ROG Strix B550 Gaming WiFi, 64gb 3600 memory, with a Corsair 360 aio. When running Cinebench r23 the clock speeds goes down to 4.05ghz and at idle the clock speed is at 4.3ghz. Doesn't make sense why the clocks would go up at idle.
Thank you sir for this information. I been fighting with the heat on my 5950x to a point I went full water. Just to have the voltage being defaulted at 1.445v....Dropped it to 1.15v and amazingly it is staying idle in the 40s now.
I really appreciate the video. I have a similar setup but new to the OC world and was stumbling around like a blind man in the dark! This was so well done and so helpful and got me going in the right direction. Thank you sir!
Thanks for this video, it's been very informative and has made a huge difference. I left the cpu ratio to auto and used the amd overclock, - p boost advanced, - pbo motherboard Cpu boost + with max cpu 200mhz Stats - boosted all cores from 3400 to 4500 on cinebench - current v core 1.138 - minimum core 1.138 - max v core of 1.250 - Average v core 1.158 - max temp of 59° - max Watts 151.2 I reckon I could push it, further, but its rock solid. Used avidia stres test overnight and while I was at work for 19.75 hours) and didn't crash. Max temp 67° Cinebench score 29145
Wow, this is no longer an enigma for me! So glad I found your video. I used AI Suite 3 to do an automated overclock now its stuck at 4ghz so I figured Id learn what all this is about and you came through! I leaned a multi core overclock will lock the frequency. I planned to put it back to do the automated boost overclocking but armed with your knowledge I may just get squirly!
@@UnhingedSystems I totally understand your current predicament having once been a technical content creator and educator, but I am confident with new technology on the horizon, you will soon be back in the swing of things and helping the rest of us muddle through. Take care and all the best.
I have a 5900x and also Dark Hero, stumbled across your channel when I was researching the EKWB Monoblock for C8Hero/Dark hero. Since I will be upgrading GPU very soon I wanted to upgrade my waterloop also and wanted to upgrade to the monoblock (I have a regular Velocity block, but I got bored of the looks). Thanks, you have really good content and are an underrated channel and had a good time watching this video and the building of your pc. I only wonder, did you see actual improvements in VRM temperatures with the mono block, because I think the VRM is already so overkill that it's for most people not worth looking into it other than aesthetics (already purchased, not installed yet before I have my new GPU and blocks. Did it mainly for looks, not necessarily for gains).
@@InSaiyan-Shinobi The method is quite similar, yes. I wouldn't go over 1.35-1.4V on the 3950X. The 5000 series uses a newer version of PBO, but you can also unlock power limits for the 3950X and have it provide better clock speeds without needing to mess around too much with voltages.
@@UnhingedSystems ok ima try to mess with it honestly I just stayed with 1.26v at 4.4 and stayed because when I tried to get 4.5or 4.6 the voltage was High at 1.4
@@InSaiyan-Shinobi When the CPU starts needing a lot of extra voltage for very little gains that's a good place to stop. The benefit beyond that point is minimal anyways.
O my this video was AMAZING 😮 I loved the way u explained everything I feel like I wanted to learn like u had me hooked and taught me so much in just this video I have a 5950x and it's doing wonderful u earned urself a sub that's for sure thank you so much
@@UnhingedSystems I am a little confused what I do without the Switcher option due to Hero not Dark Hero. I set Ratio to 44 and Voltage to 1.25V, and then also enabled PBO and set it to Motherboard. I then went into Extreme Tweaker and set the Core VID to 1.250 and CCX0 Ratios both to 45.0, and at this point I realised I didnt have the Switcher. I then got 28890 in Cinebench R23. I am just not 100% sure if this is right or if I should remove some of those settings due to no Switcher. When I look in Ryzen Master, the EDC (CPU) indicator shows 100% of 200A, is that normal? CPU Power is about 183W, PPT is about 55% of 395W, TDC is 60% of 225A, Peak Speed is 4500Mhz, Temperature during benchmark sitting about 79.5C. I will go and watch the video again to try and grasp it a bit more. Oh I am on full custom cooling, All EK gear, 2x 360 rads, Monoblock, etc.
@@JB-NZ Honestly if you don't have the OC switcher I would max out the power limits and just use PBO and curve optimizer. Losing the peak single-core boost isn't worth the manual overclock in my opinion. If you set a manual overclock you effectively disable PBO and the single-core boost. The CPU will boost between 4.35-4.5 with PBO on its own assuming motherboard power limits and tweaking curve optimizer.
@@UnhingedSystems Thanks. Just confirming I understand what you mean. So you are saying I don't set 44 ratio and 1.25V at all (not just not setting the Core VID to 1.25 and the CLX0 ratios to 45.0 etc? Not 100% what those are anyway), but you think just leave everything on Auto and enable PBO? Isnt the voltage going to go quite high in this situation though? You had 3 parts to set, the Core stuff, the PBO, and then the Core VID. I did a Stock test (reset everything back to optimised defaults) and got 25187 in Multi and 1511 in Single. I then did a 44.5 ratio and 1.25V CPU Core, and enabled PBO and got 29273 Multi and 1461 Single (increased Multi but dropped lower in Single). So now I will try disabling the ratio and voltage totally, leaving those on Auto, and just enabling PBO ?
I had a 46.50@1.356v on my 5950. Instead I am using PBO and getting an allcore of 4575-4600 while keeping boosts up to 5100. I have 2 360mm radiators and a lot of fans in my cooling loop though. I set each core individually, it took a long time to figure it out, quite a few weekends and about a thousand reboots, but I'm happy. The only thing I disagree with is your ram. I would leave it stock until after your cpu overclock. Ram could cause core to be unstable. Core is king. Then after, see if xmp/docp is stable, and go from there. Ram is not as important as core. On my CO, I have one core at -17, and the rest are -22 to -26. Boost override best results +50 for me PPT 270 TDC 165 EDC 230
RAM at 3600 shouldn't be causing any core instability, but RAM at 3800 or 4000 certainly could (memory controller not keeping up). Running RAM at 2333 with Ryzen 5000 would be leaving a lot of performance on the table so at the very least RAM speeds should be verified before attempting an overclock. I agree with you in that if you are getting instability that disabling the RAM overclock is a great troubleshooting step. If the CPU is drawing a lot of power it may be necessary to increase SOC voltage to stabilize (Just nothing over 1.2V). The RAM itself wouldn't be causing instability, if anything it would be insufficient voltage to the memory controller due to CPU power draw. Out of curiosity, what is your peak CPU temperature? Thanks! Thank you for the comment and the tips!
@@UnhingedSystems depending on the BIOS I'm on..gigabytes newest bios is horrible and is unstable at xmp...I guess we can say it varies. On the previous bios I am running 3800 14-16-15-32-48-312 next to a really good overclock. I actually stopped forcing constant voltage and am using auto voltage with PBO+CO. My peak is 87 when stress testing, or 84 during a typical gaming session. I have spent many hours on this, and only hit 87 in extreme circumstances. I went extreme overclocking first, then worked on the temps later. So I kind of went backwards, and it may not be the best idea for those who just want a nice steady overclock. I am more of a...put your foot on its neck and see what it can do..type person. My gpu has a 520w unverified bios..a 3090 that averages about 2070mhz. I wouldn't leave ram on 2133 either. Just for overclocking or troubleshooting. I put it down to 2133 because I have tightened my timings and just like to focus on one thing at a time. Then I tried 3800 and it actually worked. I will say that having an fclk at 1900 does raise my cpu temps by about 5° peak, so this was something to consider. For me. It does not do this at 1867, but 1900 and it does. So I am approaching some sort of limit maybe. I agree about soc. It took a long time to figure all of these things out. It's not a quick process lol Obviously there are different/better ways to do this. I'm confident I have found a point where my cpu will never throttle, and have gotten the most out of it. Am I pushing it a bit too hard? It's very possible.
@@Cblan1224 Which 3090 are you using? I have thought of flashing my card with a higher wattage BIOS, but 3090s aren't the easiest to find replacements for right now. My 480W card tends to be around 2030-2060 MHz most of the time, but it has TONS of thermal headroom still.
@@UnhingedSystems you have a suprim? I have an msi GXT. I have tried suprim, ftw3 xoc 500w, and landed on kingpin 520w bios. With nvidia control panel on prefer maximum performance, it is at a constant 1920mhz. Evga xoc is 1800mhz. My msi was 1760something. So there is much less variation in card speed. Ramping up and down. Its a strong performer. But the bios I'm using isn't verified. It's on techpowerup as an unverified bios. Kingpin gives these out directly, supposedly. The initial 520w bios is verified, but for the one with resizeable bar, supposedly people had to get it from kingpin. Then it likely was shared and ended up on techpowerup. Kingpin also has a 900w unlimited bios, but for some reason he can't add ReBar to that one. Anyway, the only game that pushes 520w for me at the moment is metro exodus pc enhanced in 4k with max settings. I'm not sure why. The gpu is always at 99-100%, but some games don't go over 450w. I should mention that I have both sides of my gpu on waterblocks. Which is essential for a 3090. Don't want the vram on the back heating up the core..or have half my vram at different temps than the other half.
@@Cblan1224 Nice! Mine is the Asus Strix OC 3090 (485W max per sensors) with an EK block and passive EK backplate. GPU hardly ever goes over 44C and the memory never goes above 60C with the max hotspot temp being around 56C. That is with a fluid temperature between 36-40C The passive backplate is more than enough for me with the right thermal pads used all around the card. Factory thermal pads and EK thermal pads are sub-par. I have a 3090 FE still in the box bit I plan to swap out every thermal pads and thermal compound to see how it actually performs. I'll be using it at stock clocks for a rendering/workstation/streaming server.
Tip for beginners, I learned this on years of experience: always overclock after you clean installed, disable everything you don't need for benchmarking and make sure you are 100% stable. After that, re-install windows, because you might corrupt the OS during testing and benchmarking, before setting everything as your daily driver. Don't install manufacturer bloatware, just chipset/gpu drivers and bios is enough (only if the bios is unstable, don't fix what isn't broken). I stumbled into some really weird glitches, bugs and corrupted data in the course of 10+ years, wasted a lot of time troubleshooting while the only fix was to reinstall. Thank me later, it might surprise you what a week of overclocking, benchmarking and tweaking can do to your OS.
Definitely a solid beginner tip! If you overclock your memory for example and it isn't 100% stable, but Windows runs a defragment on your main storage drive(s) the data can become corrupted! Overclocking is pretty safe if you are doing it in small stints and properly stability testing things, I mess with my system's overclock almost weekly to test new things different hardware, but I have solid backups. When I had Windows Millennium Edition (ME) I thought I would be smart and upgrade to 1GB of RAM from 512MB. Apparently Windows ME could only support 512MB. You could add more, and the OS would display that you had more, but it would "ghost address" the memory addresses above 512MB meaning that when my defrag ran the data was thrown into oblivion and returning nothing. My whole drive was corrupted and I lost years of photos. I was 18 or 19 at the time. Data was unrecoverable. Maintaining regular backups can help ensure you don't lose data 👍
@@UnhingedSystems Oofff windows ME.. Yeah, I rather forget that period. Also yeah... I learned this the hard way. Luckily I have back ups, but you never know. These issues can go undetected for a long while and is usually related to unstable bios/overclock settings. Usually overclocking is pretty safe indeed, but if you want to push extremely high bench scores (without LN2) and you push a little too hard for too long, data corruption is inevitable. Also you tend to get better scores on a total clean install with just chipset drivers and everything unnecessary disabled. Happy tweaking, great videos.
Had a problem similar today, I couldn't figure out what was wrong for the life if me pc what blue screening and crashing after I added more fans, I couldn't even boot in to save mode it was very confusing especially when I forgot I used my USB to load bios and forgot I was trying to boot on it😂😂 had to brake out the laptop to get the file's have every fixed now I think just cleaning the pc and reformating ssd and hard drives, before I set it up again, don't what that problem to just come back straight away
Currently running 4.7GHz 5800X at 1.26875V with 4000MHz / 2000FCLK C14-16-16-30 at 1.45V G.Skill Neo with my Dark Hero X570. I also am Water Cooled and my Strix 3090 is in a Alphacool Water Block with a +220 GPU Core, +1000 Memory that hits 47C on 3D Mark, and Junction Temps at 68C. Not bad at all.
It's sad my motherboard doesn't have Variable switch I have overkill setup but my motherboard is AM4 X570 ProArt so I can't have single boost and all core boost at same time
Best oc video, would've saved me so much research and being misguided if I came across it earlier. Dont think my asrock b450 pro4 has that switcher as its a miracle I got the pbo2 working with it + above 4g decoding and resizable BAR too, blessed be bios updates. Saved 1000€ just pushing my 2018 builded pc to its am4 limits instead of building a new pc for am5. Went from stock bios version with 2700x to latest bios version that gave support to my 4070 ti super and 5950x! It was a long road, and it seems I could still min max it with ryzen master + the undervolt per core. But I will live with my -10 allcore. Wondering if the max cpu clock overdrive setting is worth to test but you said too ya had some issues with it not working well? Tempted to try it though as my boosted clock doesnt quite reach 5000, with eco mode it did but it was unstable + killed the multicore performance. But 100MHz wont make a noticable difference anyway so prob will try to move away from min maxing and just enjoy what I currently have except if you have some more wisdom to share on the topic.
@@CoKeHQ1Thank you for your kind comments! I think moving away from min/maxing is a noble thing to do. It really isn't worth all of the headaches for a 1-2% gain. I'm more interested in building a liquid cooling loop that allows the system to run completely silent (and to eliminate coil whine entirely on the GPU, or at least isolate the noise extremely well). Also! I've got a podcast (which is why noise isolation is important to me!): Basement Faults and Catapults on Audible, Spotify, Apple etc. where we play random genres of games and have a bunch of fun doing it! New YT video dropping within 2 weeks as well, and getting back to a regular schedule! Thanks for stopping by!
@@UnhingedSystems appreciate the fast reply, on top of it you took the time + put though into it. Makes me feel heard and that is rare for one who likes to write long texts (which few then read which I understand) That aside, I am really perfectionistic and I pay attention to small details really easily which has its perk in more creative and detailed things like art. But with PC stuff that can be maddening when you really easily notice game micro stutters, off sounds your pc makes, or the fluctuating sound pc fans make if you use curves to control fan speed. This led me to finding the sweet spot where temps are good and I almost cant hear the pc and just making those rpms be flat with really small rpm boost between load temps 70-85, and if it gets to 90c then the fans will go apeshit but for now, havent heard them do that once so am done with tracking n will just enjoy peace n quiet. Though gpu coil whine is pretty bad on my gpu, gave it a small undervolt and limited the fps but its still real audible if I dont have headphones on with some sounds especially now that the fans run quiet. But it could be worse and the pitch is low now thanks to those adjustments I made so it doesnt push through my headphones. Next pc build I make I will prioritize getting a quiet case that damps coil whines, hopefully still with decent airflow.
Put 45,5GHz on better half and 44,5GHz lesser half of die at "CPU CORE RATIO (PER CCX)" and find a good voltage for your setup. I found it most stable like that
Agreed, that is typically the best overall result, PBO is very good on its own. If doing a lot of CPU intensive workloads it would potentially be more efficient to use an all-core overclock.
@@UnhingedSystems yea it would in certain ways. However I found out during gaming even with pbo and curve optimizer the cpu is only drawing about 70 to 80 watts of power which my cpu is the 5800x. And I'm pretty sure if the cpu is running at 80 to 100% it would draw over 100 watts. I also noticed ryzen on 3000 and 5000 series run better on more voltage on auto. but not static voltage.
I get a little over 30,000 with my r9 5950x stock. My best oc where temps were still ok enough was 4.725Ghz @1.34-1.35 (in between there just don't remember the exact) and I got around 35,000 on r23.
If want fast BSOD´s for overclock tests, use the game called: Road redemption , it´s very sensitive to instabilities on pc, and you can found very fast the exactly vcore what you need. About degradation i see different reports about, including with 1.18v in 4 years as well a i7 2600k working at 1.41 for 9 years without any degradation.
Static all core ratio and voltage is not worth doing at all IMO, unless you only care about Cinebench score. It's gonna be slower in lightly threaded applications, i.e. gaming. Memory tuning is worth spending time on if you want to tinker, otherwise just enable XMP, PBO + max out Auto OC and call it done. Spending more time after that is chasing single digit percentage points. On one hand it's great that you can get basically max performance with little effort, on the other hand traditional overclocking is kinda dead, or at least dying.
I totally agree that you are better off utilizing PBO and just enabling higher power limits within your cooling capacity. That being said, I don't think overclocking is dead, it's just transitioning to more of a "if you have a great cooling solution you can get 15-20% more performance out of your CPU". Between PBO and curve optimizer you can get some really great improvements over stock. Maybe some day the CPU will be tuned so well from factory that manual options won't provide any benefit at all. That would be less fun though 😉
@@UnhingedSystems Yea I guess I'm just thinking of the way it is now vs what I consider the golden era of overclocking. Chips like Celeron 300A that could usually overclock by 50% without much effort, the Athlon XP 2500+ which was trivial to get 20% and usually more, Pentium 4's that could do 100% overclocks. These days it doesn't really seem worth it because it's a lot more effort for a lot less gains.
@@UnhingedSystems You know, until today and for a few years now, I had a 3950X with a poor MasterAir MA410M. I do 3D rendering (I'm an architect), but this weekend, I will upgrade my workstation to the 5950X with the Noctua NH-D15 chroma black. I know it's not the same as your water cooling, but I want to give it a try, i think that maybe i will same some boost there. In any case, I'm already satisfied with the performance of the 3950X in Vray, so perhaps I can take advantage of the temperature headroom that the 5950X provides. You were so clear in your video; thanks for that. The last time I thought about overclocking my CPU was a while ago, back then in 2010, I guess, with the I7 930 and V6 GT. have a good day!
@@marianoramirez5435 Thank you for the awesome reply! I do suggest that you use a 360mm All-In-One liquid cooler for the 5950X for best results. The NH-D15 is a great cooler, but if you plan on increasing the power limits the results will be considerably better on an AiO. Rendering loves all the power you can provide it!
@@UnhingedSystems Yeah! My next upgrade will be next year, hopefully, and there I will jump to the 7950X3D with a proper AIO. Thanks again; you were so clear with all the explanation. Saturday I will watch it again to make some tests.
That's a great question! They both work, but the AMD overclocking menu seems to override items in the other menu. For good measure I only use the AMD overclocking menu and just ignore the other one. It was an odd choice for the BIOS to contain two places to change the same settings 🧐
Really nice and super great at explaining! Would you be covering some RAM overclocking as well on the 5950x? I've seen that the 5000 series can be pushed further on tightening timing and would love an explanation on that
Yeah, but be sure to have good binned DDR memory. It's really difficult to push certain sticks. Everything CL14 3200/3800 is highly likely to be able to get 200-600 MHz more. But with CL16 kits it's hit or miss. CL18 kits, probably you can squeeze out some performance, but you need to loosen timings so much that's probably not worth the effort. (Edit: mHz - MHz). Also, not all DIMMS listed as Samsung B-Die will be a B-die, especially for CL16+ kits (CL14 probably is B-Die, but they are really scarce and expensive now).
@@sloppyprogrammer4373 yeah defo expensive. I bought team group 8 pack ripped edition mem. 16gb £180, when I bought and are b-die guaranteed 3600 cas 14
Anyone following this video just use ryzen master and apply changes that way until you find your sweet spot. Going back and forth to the bios isn’t necessary until youve found the right clock and voltage for you.
Also a good method. I have a number of other OC videos coming up that will touch on different methods and approaches. It would be easy to do a 2HR video on all the ways and approaches, tools, etc, but no one would want to watch that 🧐
You could play more with load line and SOC for sure, but ultimately if your CPU doesn't have enough voltage for the OC it won't be stable. I've spent several months with the 5000 series overclocking, tweaking, and seeing how far it can be pushed and I haven't found load line calibration and SOC voltage increases to be overly effective or really changing the results much. If you set load line to level 3/4 and SOC add 0.1V that's about as far as you need to take that. If the CPU is thirsty for more voltage, only voltage will satiate its thirst. On my Dark Hero the load line and SOC voltage doesn't affect stability with higher overclocks at all on my 5950X and I have found the same results on the ProArt X570 with the 5900X. If I was doing some extreme overclocking with liquid nitrogen then I would get more into the other settings, but with normal cooling methods it doesn't seem to add much value. Not saying it doesn't help, just saying it isn't really significant in any of the testing I have done.
I've been able to keep my 5900x@4.4Ghz 1.2V for almost half a year now! I could get aome higher clocks, 4.5, however I used various programs to test thermals and Blender's OpenData renders pushed it past 90C so, 4.4Ghz it is 😂
I managed a manual clock of 4.6 at 1.263V (Auto) stable temps while gaming, highest I’ve seen is 75c. Not sure if I should consider that a lucky chip but pbo it’s very confusing to me when applying, it’s able to hit around 5mhz but when I boot into idle my temps are like 70c with using my gaming fan curve profile on fan control on top of constant voltage spikes. (Around 1.385-1.4 range) I know I sound dumb saying this but i legit don’t understand, I like the concept of curve optimiser but it hasn’t worked out so far until I put some time into trying again . 🤔
I would love it if you did a video on the curve optimizer in PBO. I would like to overclock my 5900x to get the best performance on all core and single core, but am not sure how to go about it.
@@UnhingedSystems it definitely is. This is my first time actually trying to overclock a cpu. The last computer I built was about 10 years ago, and I just built it to play games. Never got around to overclocking it. Haha
200-240W CPU power consumption when it runs on overclocking mode between 4.3-4.6 GHz vs power consumption of 140W at default operation which is 3.4 GHz all-core clock. Honestly the performance gain vs power gain is reasonable up to about 4.4GHz and then it starts becoming more power exponentially required to maintain a stable overclock. At the highest possible OC stable I was was pulling over 280W CPU power consumption, but the heat and minimal performance gains weren't worth it for a daily driver.
1.4V is pretty normal for peak voltage, even up to 1.5V if you are using monitoring software. The trick is look at the voltage under an all-core load, the voltage doesn't go over 1.3-1.35 when all cores are loaded up.
Why is the boost clock all the way up to 4.9 if you can only get like 4.65 overclocking? Usually you can stably overclock past the boost clock if you have sufficient cooling.
Single-core boost hits 4.9 sustained boost one 1-2 cores at a time. That is beneficial in games where the "world thread" can benefit from the fastest core. All-core 4.9 wouldn't be possible without liquid nitrogen and an insane amount of voltage. 16-cores all running at 4.9 would likely need about 1.5+ or even 1.6+ volts that would hit over 90C and thermal throttle even on a liquid cooled setup and would definitely be drawing more than a safe amount of amps though the CPU socket. You could do it with liquid nitrogen.
For me 44 with 1.25 works for custom 1 min cinebench, but with 10min throttle test, it restarts the pc. Does it need more voltage? Maybe I should do 44 with 1.325? ( I got ryzen 5950x with iCUE H170i ELITE LCD Liquid )
Really great video! I just got my 5950x with x570s Aorus master, I able to overclock to 4.525Ghz with vcore 1.225v, I'm running Cinebench r20 and r23 stable with max temp 80c using 360 aio. I scored 11787 points on Cinebench r20 and 30304 points on r23. It's my first time overclocking CPU, is it a good overclock?
@@KRGraphicsCG just doing the 1st step with 5950x gets me to 100c with a custom loop and a crash, it ran hot with an aio originally too, the loops water temp is usually around 27-28c and the same for my 3090 but the cpu is always 65 idle and 80+ in load
Great guide thank you 🙏 I have the same CPU and MOBO with 3600mhz RAM and Every time I try and set my DOCP profile to its advertised 3600mhz my system immediately crashes and tries to reboot a couple times before giving up and resetting to default settings. Any insight?
Check which RAM kit you have and verify it with the motherboard memory QVL documents to see if it is supported. There are a lot of RAM kits out there and not all of them will run at their rated speeds with different motherboard/CPU combinations. Contrary to what some tech RUclipsrs have stated the last couple of years, this has been an issue since DDR first was introduced and is nothing new. Ever since DDR/2/3/4/5 overclocked modules came about they have not all worked in all board/CPU configurations. If you are on the latest BIOS update and setting DOCP causes reboots and instability then unfortunately that kit is likely not compatible with the board at those rated speeds. Some RAM is tested and advertised at one rated speed on a certain configuration, but then on another configuration something as simple as the distance between the traces for the RAM slots and the CPU is enough to prevent them from working on X motherboard vs Y Motherboard with Z CPU. Which make/model of RAM kit is that one?
@@UnhingedSystems Its the Corsair Vengeance LPX CL18 kit. 64Megs. I know Ryzen chips are advertised as only being compatible for up to 3200MHZ mem but know my board (ASUS Dark Hero Crosshair VIII) can support the faster speeds 🤷♂️
I tried following this recipe with an AMD 5950x processor on an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula motherboard, but it didn't work. Does anyone here know a site with recipes for overclocking?
@@nc6493 Check out my Ryzen Master Video from last week. You can probably benefit from increasing your PBO limits by 15-20%. What cooler are you running?
@@UnhingedSystems Corsair Hydro X Series XH305i Hardline Water Cooling Kit with/incl XC7 CPU Water Block, XR5 360mm Radiator, XD5 Pump Res and iCUE 3x QL120 RGB 120 mm fans plus more 3x Corsair ML140 PRO 140 mm in push pull with Conductonaut liquid metal thermal paste.
I am getting multiple WHEA-logger errors when setting dynamic oc with 1.25V and XMP enabled 64GB ram dark hero 5950x. This build is 2 days old just random restarts with 5 whea on with XMP enabled on R23 single core multcore always passes, is my processor faulty as a all core 4.4 overclock seemed stable at 1.25volts temps were not an issue resting at 72-75c.
The CPU is probably not faulty. Different CPUs require different voltages to be stable at 4.4. If you are getting WHEA errors your OC is just not stable. 1.25V may not be sufficient for 4.4 on your CPU. WHEA errors are indicative of stability issues on the overclock. Cinebench and other benchmarks can still pass on an unstable overclock, but it doesn't necessarily mean it is stable. Different workloads will stress the CPU differently and can expose instability in the overclock. Try increasing the voltage incrementally until the WHEA errors go away but stay within safe limits.
@@UnhingedSystems Thank you for the response , the whea errors I received were on all auto settings with only xmp set to 3600Mhz my manual overclock of 4.4 was all stable at 1.25 Volts. I just did a manual voltage 1.325V on core with dynamic switcher that did well for a while but hanged and rebooted while idle. I was just concerned about the AMD processors and whea errors, RMA seems to solve the problem for most.
@@syduploads1990 If you disable the overclock and just use PBO you won't have WHEA errors (also make sure you are on at least the second-last BIOS for this board). If there are no WHEA errors using PBO (Not using dynamic OC, and not manually overriding voltages) then there is nothing wrong with your CPU or hardware, the OC just isn't stable.
@@UnhingedSystems So PBO was stable on single run and then it failed on multicore test (stability 30 minutes) , what I did then was set all the setting to default and ran the R23 bench again set it to custom 7 hours no hang or reboot on "Multi core" I then tested with single core for 2 hours and it crashed with a WHEA-logger-18 on all auto with in an hour ? one thing I have noticed is the SOC voltage is 0.971 and I am running 4 X 16 GB.
I'm so confused by my R23 score and what im doing wrong. I have 5950X on a Crosshair VIII Hero, Curve Optimiser to -12/-25/-30, Boost Overclock +125, PPT 230 / TDC 170 / EDC 200. DDR4000 @ 3733Mhz CL15 (with FCLK of 1866Mhz), im hitting 87C @ 4.525Ghz all core with PBO, it seems im only hitting about 200-205W though. And just cant break 28500 R23 score. Is this a limit of not having a Dark motherboard?
Only the Dark Hero. The feature is "nice to have" but there is also nothing wrong with enabling higher power limits through PBO to achieve increased performance. The peak single core boost clocks are ideal under most use cases anyways. With an increase in PBO power limits you can still get 4.4GHz all-core if you have the cooling to support it.
@@UnhingedSystems I think the updated Strix x570 gaming wifi II has it now as well. I may send an email to Asus to see if they plan to bring it to other x570 boards. if not I can get the new strix board and my mono block from EK will fit it.
@@Joe-wk9ow On the daily I don't even use Dynamic OC switching. It's a cool feature but PBO does it just as good. Aside from "maybe" running at a reduced voltage the overall result is within 1% of the same result. It may be possible that the obsession with squeezing every last ounce of performance out of our systems is more of a marketing hype forcing us to buy new things and compete for the best and fastest, even by just a few points on a benchmark. Ah who am I kidding! Full send!
@@UnhingedSystems yeah I hear you. I've been obsessed with overclocking sense the Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 and AMD Phenom black edition days. Back then it was possible to squeeze almost 1GHz in overclocking speeds.
At completely idle it settles down into the low 30s. After a long gaming session when the fluids are hotter it is closer to the low 40s. What thermal paste are you using?
@@BrillianceAutoSpa I would check the mounting pressure of the CPU cooling block. It could just be the way that combination of cooling block is or a difference in the plumbing, fin design on the block, or even variations in CPU thermal out. What are your peak temps stock and peak temps with power limits unlocked? Really the peak temps matters more than the idle temp.
@@UnhingedSystems Using a MSI B550 Unify and with motherboard power limits it goes to 250 PPT and 220 EDC. With my Lian Li Galahad 360 AIO the 5950x hits 90 degrees immediately and stays there for the whole test. The highest score I ever got was 28900 in RC3
@@GraveOW If you were to swap out the thermal paste with something more high-end it wouldn't hit 90C. At 90C the CPU is thermal throttling and can't run any faster. The 360 AiO should be enough. Check my thermal compound video with the Thermalright TFX.
@@UnhingedSystems Yeah all I had was arctic silver 5 when I built it a few months back. A tube of Kryonaut is going to come in tomorrow. That will be my last ditch effort to fix it lol
Im undervolting and using the dynamic switch at 35A sor single core boost to be active too. Getting 5.14ghz@ auto single core, and 4.2ghz@1,1v. Getting 27900-28500 r23. low 60´s allcore maxload, singlecore maxload high 80s. Happy as f with my rig and setup when compared to maxed out like this. and mine is pretty quiet too :) Got most perf from tuning bdie,
Very true! It is very challenging to fit a lot of information into a video without it being an hour long 🙂 I'll be showing a whole gamut of tools in a 5900X video in January. OCCT is actually one of my favorites for CPU error detection. Cinebench is a nice light workload for a CPU, if it can't at least pass that then it's an instant fail. The real test is AVX2 instructions and heavy workloads. I'll also be explaining the whole 5GHz peak and why it doesn't mean much as sustained boost clocks are far more important! Thank you for the comment!
I have my Ryzen 5 3600 overclocked to 4.5GHz, however I have to run at 1.35v. Temps still sitting at 41⁰ while gaming. Under direct load with Cinebench, I peak around 62⁰ I'm happy with the 4.5 as this was a super cheap chip. 360mm aio (H150i Capellix) seems to give a LOT of thermal headroom for a much bigger chip. I think my next upgrade will be a 5800x ☺️
That's a sweet OC! I'd recommend the 5900X over the 5800X as it has much more thermal headroom. 5800X is an awesome chip, but it runs quite hot compared to a 5900X (5800X clocks nice and high and uses the same 140W stock power limit as the 5900X and 5950X stock for stock).
@@UnhingedSystems can I set it up so it runs standard voltages until it needs to over clock I’ve worked out at 1.325 it runs stable at 4600mhz but don’t want to leave it at that voltage all the time
I recently brought 5950x with NZXT Z73 AIO with push pull rad config but my CPU idle temp is always 50+ and sometimes it goes above 60 which feels worried to me! Can you suggest me what to do? I brought it for the purpose of content creation. Sometimes it hit 70+ when i do nothing except browsing chrome! My 5950x with Asus tuf x570 running on 1.40v 3.4GHz on default.
What thermal paste are you using? Did you just use the paste that came with it? A really good thermal paste can bring a mediocre cooler into very reasonable performance. Thank you for the question!
This happens because when set to auto AMD has the it set for the cpu to bring the most overclock possible for any task. That can lead to increased voltage+heat to reach that overclock that occurs by default auto. I had a similar problem and that is basically what I found from others reading about the issue. I also had high temps when just using a browser. Once I turned off the auto or auto oc modes in the bios my temps dropped to normal.
mine runs stable at 1.265 4.5k .. that seems to be the sweet spot for me. I have a 1000 watt Platinum rated EVGA power supply (wish I had the 1200 watt one). Power supplies are one most important things for Overclocking ur CPU capabilities. ... I get r23 scores over 29k and my temps run 60 to 65 on a full load... I have both ccx's set at 4.5 and my threshold set to 40 amps.. all my games run between 25 and 45 amps that way when it goes over I consistently get that all core boost 4.5 to over 5k on the curve... 12 of my 16 cores spike over 5k My CPU Idles between 38 and 42 degrees on an NZXT cooler. (wish I had an open loop probably could get temps way lower) I just set the pbo to auto and turned on the enhancer plus gave it a 50 boost override running perfectly and passed all stress testing.. kahru. prime, occt , 30 min cr23 stress , testmem. No wheaa errors for months Im getting between 200 and 240 FPS on warzone and 240 consistently on apex. I run a AW2721d monitor on 1440p if this helps anyone. KEEP IN MIND not every processor and hardware is the same you have to really stress your voltages and speeds DO NOT COPY people it will NEVER WORK.... I REPEAT DO NOT COPY SETTINGS
@@falconclutch4051 Are you running on the latest BIOS revision? Do you have the CPU power cables connected (top-left of board)? If you reset defaults in the BIOS and re-test you should be getting at least 24,000 on R23. Are you running Cinebench R20 or R23? It sounds like the default core enhancement/ boost may be disabled. Is your CPU hitting 4+GHz or sitting at 3.4 at load?
@@UnhingedSystems Im running the lastest version of the bios i noticed i didnt have an extra 4pin connector for the cpu plugged in. I plugged it in but same results im using cinebench r23. i have reset the bios by pressing load optimized defauls. im hitting 4.8ghz speeds. so im not locked in at the 3.4ghz im at a loss here. thank you for responding by the way
@@falconclutch4051 It sounds like you may have 1 CCD disabled. Download Ryzen Master and make sure both CCDs are active. My 5950X had one CCD disabled by default the first time I installed it, had to turn it back on. Not sure why, every other one I have installed had both active out of the gate.
It will be very similar and should work for a good starting point on the 5900X. Because the 5900X has fewer cores it has a little more headroom for single-core and all-core overclocks.
Out of the box with everything set to auto without changing anything it goes crazy high in temps and then crashes almost immediately when I run a game. Setting it to 1.35 volts or bellow is a must do when getting this cpu
Stock and auto these won't crash or overheat. Something is off. What cooler, motherboard are you using and what BIOS revision are you on? Some motherboards have some "Auto" settings that don't play nice and just full send the CPU with no care for caution.
Good video don't get me wrong. Really good info and all that. But in short.. if you don't own a dark hero motherboard it's pretty much useless to overclock your CPU (all cores) unless it's a power house for rendering non stop. The fact that you lose the 2 core turbo boost says it all. But with the Dark Hero MB. You can have both for sure.
100% agreed. Using PBO and curve optimizer are better for a lot of use cases! My curve optimizer video is a follow-up on the topic. Thank you for the comment!
Here are my specs: DDR4 2400 64GB RAM / asus proart x570 Motherboard / 5950x Ryzen / RTX 3090 I'm getting terrible cinebench results. Hitting around 8000 on multi which is awful since people are hitting 24,000 - 28,000 with the stock settings. Could it be because my ram? Does ram affect the performance of the CPU and does it affect overclocking it?
Hello Vernon! The first thing I would check is in your BIOS to ensure both of the CCX and all cores are enabled. When I received my 5950X only one CCX was enabled by default for some reason. RAM does indeed affect performance, but Cinebench is not the best indicator of RAM performance and wouldn't explain such a low performance number. Can you confirm you are running Cinebench R23? Previous versions of Cinebench use different scoring as well.
@@UnhingedSystems Holy shit bro... After a bunch of test I found out that my PC was hacked and half of my cores were being used to mine bitcoin lol Installed anti-virus software and ran a scan and it removed the virus. Now everything runs perfect!
Thanks a lot!! Overclocked with precision boost overdrive the same processor on asus b450i gaming. Temps 81C with 16 cores 32 threads in use and improved calculation speed from 28000kt/s to 33000kt/s on monkersolver. Any idea why my system crashed even without any overclocks with DOCP 3200 speeds but not 3000 speed? Worked fine with my previous processor Ryzen 5 3600. Crashing occurs when running monkersolver with 32 threads. 3000 mhz everything works perfectly, works for a while with 3066 mhz and incrementally crashing occurs faster when upping Mhz. 3200 crashes instantly. Running Kingston FURY Beast RGB 64GB (2x32GB) 3200MHz DDR4 CL16. Doesn't matter if I use 5gb or 55 gb of the ram for calculations the crashing still occurs the same.
Yes, we shouldn't exceed 1.35V as a manual setting (Although stock the voltages will exceed 1.4V during boost). I did some testing at and above 1.4V to see if anymore performance can be gotten, but stability isn't improved beyond that.
@bloodhound850 That is correct. With that cooler I would just run the CPU on all default settings, no overclock, no manual voltage. The 1.35V is the maximum AMD recommended for safe long-term use, though you would be better in the long run just letting the CPU manage the power settings.
@bloodhound850 also u can go into bois and change your tjmax aka thermal throttle limit from 90c factory to 80 or 85. I would recomend going with an aio water cooler from corsair. I have one and able to pbo oc let the mb control voltage. Do all core co -10. And ur 5950x will be happy
Do you run A.I. Suite 3? I have it running the motherboard, it controls my water pump and it can mess with the bios overclock settings. I also have ryzen master. I see you did everything manually, my system stays stable at 4.1Ghz with 1.2 volts. Do you think pushing it to 4.4 Ghz is worth it? thanks for all your' help again. have a nice day.
I stopped using AI Suite a long time ago (Z170 days). I like the Fan Expert 3 tool for setting curves and profiles (though the custom ones never seem to stick). Personally I would use Ryzen Master (Video coming soon) or manually overclock. If 4.1 is stable and you still have thermal headroom (temps aren't getting above 80C mostly) then you could push it a little further. If you are gaming you are better off using PBO and setting higher power limits so you can get the single core boost clock speeds. If you are doing rendering workloads or other highly CPU intensive workloads then you may as well push for a higher stable all-core clock and see where the thermals are reasonable. PBO actually does quite an excellent job at tuning based on power limits.
Oops, I was fying my CPU with high voltages unnecesarily. Thanks for the valuable knoweledge, I foresee great growth for this great channel.
Thank you for the comment!
This channel is so under rated! Very good explanations and overall presentation on how to tackle the overclocking by yourself. I give you a big thumbs up for this video! Just got my 5950x 2 days ago and did not have much success with overclocking until I found out this video, so thanks! :)
Thank you so much for the comment! Glad you found it useful!
ditto! so much covered on how to benchmark from start to end for newbies!
Would this apply to 5900x
Yeah you can just tell this guy is smart by the way he explains all the details.
@K3shavGaming Sure is! Go into the menus and change the settings to only run one iteration instead of a full 10-minute stress test.
This was incredible! You had me running my pbo/static oc in no time. Now, given that I have some experience doing both and already had my pbo decently tuned up, I pretty much slapped what you tried into mine and Holy crap batman! Did it ever work! Time for some fine tuning, lol.
Also, this really was one of the best, in depth videos I've seen on this subject. I've looked into overclocking videos for about 2 years now and am exceedingly annoyed I haven't seen you before. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the kind words! I am glad you found it useful!
I just got a 5950X and enabled PBO and Ryzen master auto OC and my limit is 5150Mhz. Without touching any settings. It’s awesome .
Awesome to hear! PBO works wonders. When I first enabled it I was very impressed with AMD and the work they have done to build in the ability to easily scale up performance with good cooling.
how to enable PBO on x570 tuf gaming ? i have 5950x running on 1.40v 3.4GHz on default
@@aliarto5580 I just tried all his setting and 4.4 ghz @1.25 ran to hot. The PBO I got as high as 85c but it was stable.
I just got the 5950x using Asus ROG Strix B550 Gaming WiFi, 64gb 3600 memory, with a Corsair 360 aio. When running Cinebench r23 the clock speeds goes down to 4.05ghz and at idle the clock speed is at 4.3ghz. Doesn't make sense why the clocks would go up at idle.
Thank you sir for this information. I been fighting with the heat on my 5950x to a point I went full water. Just to have the voltage being defaulted at 1.445v....Dropped it to 1.15v and amazingly it is staying idle in the 40s now.
Thanks a lot, I just underclocked mine and it works much better than before...
I really appreciate the video. I have a similar setup but new to the OC world and was stumbling around like a blind man in the dark! This was so well done and so helpful and got me going in the right direction. Thank you sir!
Dude you deserve more views and subscribers, I really liked your presentation, keep it up!
Thank you! I appreciate that!!
Thanks for this video, it's been very informative and has made a huge difference. I left the cpu ratio to auto and used the amd overclock,
- p boost advanced,
- pbo motherboard
Cpu boost + with max cpu 200mhz
Stats
- boosted all cores from 3400 to 4500 on cinebench
- current v core 1.138
- minimum core 1.138
- max v core of 1.250
- Average v core 1.158
- max temp of 59°
- max Watts 151.2
I reckon I could push it, further, but its rock solid. Used avidia stres test overnight and while I was at work for 19.75 hours) and didn't crash. Max temp 67°
Cinebench score 29145
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Bro, do u have dark hero withe the switch?
Can I do PBO and put the cpi volt down and get the all core static with no dynamic switch?
I love your video, you know not much of 5950x proper oc tutorial on RUclips.
subscribed!!!
Thank you Ray Ray! I appreciate the kind comment!
Thanks! Valuable insight, going to apply this to my 5900X which is currently on a Gigabyte X570S board which has a dynamic OC switcher too.
I can’t believe more people haven’t seen and liked this. Very informative, well demonstrated and educational. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the support! I appreciate it!
Great info. I don't know much about over clocking so it is good seeing videos like this.
Well explained, thanks for the detailed walkthrough
Thank you for the comment!
Best video I've found going into depth both all core and pbo, thank you for the knowledge.
My pleasure, thank you for watching! More OC tips and videos to come!
Wow, this is no longer an enigma for me! So glad I found your video. I used AI Suite 3 to do an automated overclock now its stuck at 4ghz so I figured Id learn what all this is about and you came through! I leaned a multi core overclock will lock the frequency. I planned to put it back to do the automated boost overclocking but armed with your knowledge I may just get squirly!
Great info. Thanks so much for your efforts and sharing.
My pleasure! Thanks for watching! I'm having a bit of a creators block, so the encouragement goes a long way!
@@UnhingedSystems I totally understand your current predicament having once been a technical content creator and educator, but I am confident with new technology on the horizon, you will soon be back in the swing of things and helping the rest of us muddle through. Take care and all the best.
Thanks for this video, really useful!
Thank you! Glad you found it useful!
I have a 5900x and also Dark Hero, stumbled across your channel when I was researching the EKWB Monoblock for C8Hero/Dark hero. Since I will be upgrading GPU very soon I wanted to upgrade my waterloop also and wanted to upgrade to the monoblock (I have a regular Velocity block, but I got bored of the looks). Thanks, you have really good content and are an underrated channel and had a good time watching this video and the building of your pc. I only wonder, did you see actual improvements in VRM temperatures with the mono block, because I think the VRM is already so overkill that it's for most people not worth looking into it other than aesthetics (already purchased, not installed yet before I have my new GPU and blocks. Did it mainly for looks, not necessarily for gains).
Have you ran into issues with 5900x and dark hero? Im running a 5950x and dark hero and my pc randomly black screen reboots
Thank you so much! Excellent video and this was very helpful
Thank you for the comment! I'll be doing another OC video for the 5900X in a few weeks!
holy shit this video made learn way more then most videos for real bro great video definitely subbed
Thank you for the awesome comment and the sub! Glad you got something out of the video!
@@UnhingedSystems just one question can i follow this method if i have a 3950x?
@@InSaiyan-Shinobi The method is quite similar, yes. I wouldn't go over 1.35-1.4V on the 3950X. The 5000 series uses a newer version of PBO, but you can also unlock power limits for the 3950X and have it provide better clock speeds without needing to mess around too much with voltages.
@@UnhingedSystems ok ima try to mess with it honestly I just stayed with 1.26v at 4.4 and stayed because when I tried to get 4.5or 4.6 the voltage was
High at 1.4
@@InSaiyan-Shinobi When the CPU starts needing a lot of extra voltage for very little gains that's a good place to stop. The benefit beyond that point is minimal anyways.
O my this video was AMAZING 😮 I loved the way u explained everything I feel like I wanted to learn like u had me hooked and taught me so much in just this video I have a 5950x and it's doing wonderful u earned urself a sub that's for sure thank you so much
Thank you kindly! New videos coming soon!
Subscribed Sir.. I can understand you. dude keep this up.. you have a Future.
Thank you! I appreciate the kind comment!
DOCS here 👌 1.285 v and [0]4.700 [1] 4550 , is the sweet spot for my system.
Really love the way you've presented the knowledge, results, and process you went through. A+
Thank you! That means a lot! Glad you liked it!
This is brilliant, I learnt so much more than all other videos I have watched, combined. Thank you for making this!
My pleasure! Thank you for watching!
@@UnhingedSystems I have 5950x and Crosshair viii hero, not the dark hero like you. Annoyed as I have no switcher option like you.
@@UnhingedSystems I am a little confused what I do without the Switcher option due to Hero not Dark Hero. I set Ratio to 44 and Voltage to 1.25V, and then also enabled PBO and set it to Motherboard. I then went into Extreme Tweaker and set the Core VID to 1.250 and CCX0 Ratios both to 45.0, and at this point I realised I didnt have the Switcher. I then got 28890 in Cinebench R23. I am just not 100% sure if this is right or if I should remove some of those settings due to no Switcher. When I look in Ryzen Master, the EDC (CPU) indicator shows 100% of 200A, is that normal? CPU Power is about 183W, PPT is about 55% of 395W, TDC is 60% of 225A, Peak Speed is 4500Mhz, Temperature during benchmark sitting about 79.5C. I will go and watch the video again to try and grasp it a bit more. Oh I am on full custom cooling, All EK gear, 2x 360 rads, Monoblock, etc.
@@JB-NZ Honestly if you don't have the OC switcher I would max out the power limits and just use PBO and curve optimizer. Losing the peak single-core boost isn't worth the manual overclock in my opinion. If you set a manual overclock you effectively disable PBO and the single-core boost. The CPU will boost between 4.35-4.5 with PBO on its own assuming motherboard power limits and tweaking curve optimizer.
@@UnhingedSystems Thanks. Just confirming I understand what you mean. So you are saying I don't set 44 ratio and 1.25V at all (not just not setting the Core VID to 1.25 and the CLX0 ratios to 45.0 etc? Not 100% what those are anyway), but you think just leave everything on Auto and enable PBO? Isnt the voltage going to go quite high in this situation though? You had 3 parts to set, the Core stuff, the PBO, and then the Core VID.
I did a Stock test (reset everything back to optimised defaults) and got 25187 in Multi and 1511 in Single. I then did a 44.5 ratio and 1.25V CPU Core, and enabled PBO and got 29273 Multi and 1461 Single (increased Multi but dropped lower in Single).
So now I will try disabling the ratio and voltage totally, leaving those on Auto, and just enabling PBO ?
I had a 46.50@1.356v on my 5950. Instead I am using PBO and getting an allcore of 4575-4600 while keeping boosts up to 5100.
I have 2 360mm radiators and a lot of fans in my cooling loop though.
I set each core individually, it took a long time to figure it out, quite a few weekends and about a thousand reboots, but I'm happy.
The only thing I disagree with is your ram. I would leave it stock until after your cpu overclock. Ram could cause core to be unstable. Core is king. Then after, see if xmp/docp is stable, and go from there. Ram is not as important as core.
On my CO, I have one core at -17, and the rest are -22 to -26.
Boost override best results +50 for me
PPT 270
TDC 165
EDC 230
RAM at 3600 shouldn't be causing any core instability, but RAM at 3800 or 4000 certainly could (memory controller not keeping up). Running RAM at 2333 with Ryzen 5000 would be leaving a lot of performance on the table so at the very least RAM speeds should be verified before attempting an overclock. I agree with you in that if you are getting instability that disabling the RAM overclock is a great troubleshooting step. If the CPU is drawing a lot of power it may be necessary to increase SOC voltage to stabilize (Just nothing over 1.2V). The RAM itself wouldn't be causing instability, if anything it would be insufficient voltage to the memory controller due to CPU power draw.
Out of curiosity, what is your peak CPU temperature? Thanks!
Thank you for the comment and the tips!
@@UnhingedSystems depending on the BIOS I'm on..gigabytes newest bios is horrible and is unstable at xmp...I guess we can say it varies. On the previous bios I am running 3800 14-16-15-32-48-312 next to a really good overclock.
I actually stopped forcing constant voltage and am using auto voltage with PBO+CO.
My peak is 87 when stress testing, or 84 during a typical gaming session. I have spent many hours on this, and only hit 87 in extreme circumstances. I went extreme overclocking first, then worked on the temps later. So I kind of went backwards, and it may not be the best idea for those who just want a nice steady overclock.
I am more of a...put your foot on its neck and see what it can do..type person. My gpu has a 520w unverified bios..a 3090 that averages about 2070mhz.
I wouldn't leave ram on 2133 either. Just for overclocking or troubleshooting.
I put it down to 2133 because I have tightened my timings and just like to focus on one thing at a time. Then I tried 3800 and it actually worked. I will say that having an fclk at 1900 does raise my cpu temps by about 5° peak, so this was something to consider. For me. It does not do this at 1867, but 1900 and it does. So I am approaching some sort of limit maybe.
I agree about soc. It took a long time to figure all of these things out. It's not a quick process lol
Obviously there are different/better ways to do this. I'm confident I have found a point where my cpu will never throttle, and have gotten the most out of it. Am I pushing it a bit too hard? It's very possible.
@@Cblan1224 Which 3090 are you using? I have thought of flashing my card with a higher wattage BIOS, but 3090s aren't the easiest to find replacements for right now. My 480W card tends to be around 2030-2060 MHz most of the time, but it has TONS of thermal headroom still.
@@UnhingedSystems you have a suprim? I have an msi GXT. I have tried suprim, ftw3 xoc 500w, and landed on kingpin 520w bios. With nvidia control panel on prefer maximum performance, it is at a constant 1920mhz. Evga xoc is 1800mhz. My msi was 1760something.
So there is much less variation in card speed. Ramping up and down. Its a strong performer. But the bios I'm using isn't verified. It's on techpowerup as an unverified bios. Kingpin gives these out directly, supposedly. The initial 520w bios is verified, but for the one with resizeable bar, supposedly people had to get it from kingpin. Then it likely was shared and ended up on techpowerup. Kingpin also has a 900w unlimited bios, but for some reason he can't add ReBar to that one.
Anyway, the only game that pushes 520w for me at the moment is metro exodus pc enhanced in 4k with max settings. I'm not sure why. The gpu is always at 99-100%, but some games don't go over 450w.
I should mention that I have both sides of my gpu on waterblocks. Which is essential for a 3090. Don't want the vram on the back heating up the core..or have half my vram at different temps than the other half.
@@Cblan1224 Nice! Mine is the Asus Strix OC 3090 (485W max per sensors) with an EK block and passive EK backplate. GPU hardly ever goes over 44C and the memory never goes above 60C with the max hotspot temp being around 56C. That is with a fluid temperature between 36-40C The passive backplate is more than enough for me with the right thermal pads used all around the card. Factory thermal pads and EK thermal pads are sub-par. I have a 3090 FE still in the box bit I plan to swap out every thermal pads and thermal compound to see how it actually performs. I'll be using it at stock clocks for a rendering/workstation/streaming server.
I was searching for good videos on pbo and this one is definitely far more superior than any other I've seen, thx for the help!
Well done this is a great video
Thank you!
Tip for beginners, I learned this on years of experience: always overclock after you clean installed, disable everything you don't need for benchmarking and make sure you are 100% stable. After that, re-install windows, because you might corrupt the OS during testing and benchmarking, before setting everything as your daily driver. Don't install manufacturer bloatware, just chipset/gpu drivers and bios is enough (only if the bios is unstable, don't fix what isn't broken). I stumbled into some really weird glitches, bugs and corrupted data in the course of 10+ years, wasted a lot of time troubleshooting while the only fix was to reinstall. Thank me later, it might surprise you what a week of overclocking, benchmarking and tweaking can do to your OS.
Definitely a solid beginner tip! If you overclock your memory for example and it isn't 100% stable, but Windows runs a defragment on your main storage drive(s) the data can become corrupted!
Overclocking is pretty safe if you are doing it in small stints and properly stability testing things, I mess with my system's overclock almost weekly to test new things different hardware, but I have solid backups.
When I had Windows Millennium Edition (ME) I thought I would be smart and upgrade to 1GB of RAM from 512MB. Apparently Windows ME could only support 512MB. You could add more, and the OS would display that you had more, but it would "ghost address" the memory addresses above 512MB meaning that when my defrag ran the data was thrown into oblivion and returning nothing. My whole drive was corrupted and I lost years of photos. I was 18 or 19 at the time. Data was unrecoverable.
Maintaining regular backups can help ensure you don't lose data 👍
@@UnhingedSystems Oofff windows ME.. Yeah, I rather forget that period. Also yeah... I learned this the hard way. Luckily I have back ups, but you never know. These issues can go undetected for a long while and is usually related to unstable bios/overclock settings.
Usually overclocking is pretty safe indeed, but if you want to push extremely high bench scores (without LN2) and you push a little too hard for too long, data corruption is inevitable. Also you tend to get better scores on a total clean install with just chipset drivers and everything unnecessary disabled.
Happy tweaking, great videos.
windowz users are so miserable, they reinstalling their meta-os all the time hahaha
Had a problem similar today, I couldn't figure out what was wrong for the life if me pc what blue screening and crashing after I added more fans, I couldn't even boot in to save mode it was very confusing especially when I forgot I used my USB to load bios and forgot I was trying to boot on it😂😂 had to brake out the laptop to get the file's have every fixed now I think just cleaning the pc and reformating ssd and hard drives, before I set it up again, don't what that problem to just come back straight away
Currently running 4.7GHz 5800X at 1.26875V with 4000MHz / 2000FCLK C14-16-16-30 at 1.45V G.Skill Neo with my Dark Hero X570. I also am Water Cooled and my Strix 3090 is in a Alphacool Water Block with a +220 GPU Core, +1000 Memory that hits 47C on 3D Mark, and Junction Temps at 68C. Not bad at all.
Nice! Being able to get +220 core is silicon lottery at its finest :) no matter how cool I keep my GPU it won't go above 185 stable 24/7
It's sad my motherboard doesn't have Variable switch
I have overkill setup but my motherboard is AM4 X570 ProArt so I can't have single boost and all core boost at same time
Best oc video, would've saved me so much research and being misguided if I came across it earlier.
Dont think my asrock b450 pro4 has that switcher as its a miracle I got the pbo2 working with it + above 4g decoding and resizable BAR too, blessed be bios updates. Saved 1000€ just pushing my 2018 builded pc to its am4 limits instead of building a new pc for am5.
Went from stock bios version with 2700x to latest bios version that gave support to my 4070 ti super and 5950x!
It was a long road, and it seems I could still min max it with ryzen master + the undervolt per core. But I will live with my -10 allcore. Wondering if the max cpu clock overdrive setting is worth to test but you said too ya had some issues with it not working well? Tempted to try it though as my boosted clock doesnt quite reach 5000, with eco mode it did but it was unstable + killed the multicore performance. But 100MHz wont make a noticable difference anyway so prob will try to move away from min maxing and just enjoy what I currently have except if you have some more wisdom to share on the topic.
@@CoKeHQ1Thank you for your kind comments! I think moving away from min/maxing is a noble thing to do. It really isn't worth all of the headaches for a 1-2% gain. I'm more interested in building a liquid cooling loop that allows the system to run completely silent (and to eliminate coil whine entirely on the GPU, or at least isolate the noise extremely well).
Also! I've got a podcast (which is why noise isolation is important to me!): Basement Faults and Catapults on Audible, Spotify, Apple etc. where we play random genres of games and have a bunch of fun doing it!
New YT video dropping within 2 weeks as well, and getting back to a regular schedule!
Thanks for stopping by!
@@UnhingedSystems appreciate the fast reply, on top of it you took the time + put though into it. Makes me feel heard and that is rare for one who likes to write long texts (which few then read which I understand)
That aside, I am really perfectionistic and I pay attention to small details really easily which has its perk in more creative and detailed things like art. But with PC stuff that can be maddening when you really easily notice game micro stutters, off sounds your pc makes, or the fluctuating sound pc fans make if you use curves to control fan speed. This led me to finding the sweet spot where temps are good and I almost cant hear the pc and just making those rpms be flat with really small rpm boost between load temps 70-85, and if it gets to 90c then the fans will go apeshit but for now, havent heard them do that once so am done with tracking n will just enjoy peace n quiet.
Though gpu coil whine is pretty bad on my gpu, gave it a small undervolt and limited the fps but its still real audible if I dont have headphones on with some sounds especially now that the fans run quiet.
But it could be worse and the pitch is low now thanks to those adjustments I made so it doesnt push through my headphones.
Next pc build I make I will prioritize getting a quiet case that damps coil whines, hopefully still with decent airflow.
great video, thanks!
Thank you for watching!
thank you !! great video ❤️
Thank you for the kind words!
Put 45,5GHz on better half and 44,5GHz lesser half of die at "CPU CORE RATIO (PER CCX)" and find a good voltage for your setup. I found it most stable like that
Yes! On the 5900x/5950x the FIRST CCX is almost always more highly-binned. The SECOND CCX seems to run around 100-150MHz lower at any given voltage
Excellent video, have 30k scores and running cool/stable once again
Thank you for this!
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
the best overclocking i seen thats best for ryzen 5000 series is just using PBO with curve optimizer
Agreed, that is typically the best overall result, PBO is very good on its own. If doing a lot of CPU intensive workloads it would potentially be more efficient to use an all-core overclock.
@@UnhingedSystems yea it would in certain ways. However I found out during gaming even with pbo and curve optimizer the cpu is only drawing about 70 to 80 watts of power which my cpu is the 5800x. And I'm pretty sure if the cpu is running at 80 to 100% it would draw over 100 watts. I also noticed ryzen on 3000 and 5000 series run better on more voltage on auto. but not static voltage.
@@maker7901 indeed, the 5800X will draw 147-180W depending on the settings 👍
Not only do your videos have the perfect amount of depth but you also seem to be a cat person. That gives you extra credit :D
I get a little over 30,000 with my r9 5950x stock. My best oc where temps were still ok enough was 4.725Ghz @1.34-1.35 (in between there just don't remember the exact) and I got around 35,000 on r23.
If want fast BSOD´s for overclock tests, use the game called: Road redemption , it´s very sensitive to instabilities on pc, and you can found very fast the exactly vcore what you need. About degradation i see different reports about, including with 1.18v in 4 years as well a i7 2600k working at 1.41 for 9 years without any degradation.
Static all core ratio and voltage is not worth doing at all IMO, unless you only care about Cinebench score. It's gonna be slower in lightly threaded applications, i.e. gaming. Memory tuning is worth spending time on if you want to tinker, otherwise just enable XMP, PBO + max out Auto OC and call it done. Spending more time after that is chasing single digit percentage points. On one hand it's great that you can get basically max performance with little effort, on the other hand traditional overclocking is kinda dead, or at least dying.
I totally agree that you are better off utilizing PBO and just enabling higher power limits within your cooling capacity. That being said, I don't think overclocking is dead, it's just transitioning to more of a "if you have a great cooling solution you can get 15-20% more performance out of your CPU". Between PBO and curve optimizer you can get some really great improvements over stock. Maybe some day the CPU will be tuned so well from factory that manual options won't provide any benefit at all. That would be less fun though 😉
@@UnhingedSystems Yea I guess I'm just thinking of the way it is now vs what I consider the golden era of overclocking. Chips like Celeron 300A that could usually overclock by 50% without much effort, the Athlon XP 2500+ which was trivial to get 20% and usually more, Pentium 4's that could do 100% overclocks. These days it doesn't really seem worth it because it's a lot more effort for a lot less gains.
@@JKHYT Good 'ol FSB overclocking, those were the golden days. Loved my old 2.8HT Socket 478 that would push 3.4GHz
i like this one thanks alot this how you explain and teach everyone for starter or beginners
My pleasure! Thanks for watching!
Is it safe overclocking the same cpu and Asus rog strix x570 E-gaming mobo?
Indeed!
Really good vid ;)
Thank you! I appreciate this 😊
great video !
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
thanks!
Thank you!
@@UnhingedSystems You know, until today and for a few years now, I had a 3950X with a poor MasterAir MA410M. I do 3D rendering (I'm an architect), but this weekend, I will upgrade my workstation to the 5950X with the Noctua NH-D15 chroma black. I know it's not the same as your water cooling, but I want to give it a try, i think that maybe i will same some boost there. In any case, I'm already satisfied with the performance of the 3950X in Vray, so perhaps I can take advantage of the temperature headroom that the 5950X provides. You were so clear in your video; thanks for that. The last time I thought about overclocking my CPU was a while ago, back then in 2010, I guess, with the I7 930 and V6 GT. have a good day!
@@marianoramirez5435 Thank you for the awesome reply! I do suggest that you use a 360mm All-In-One liquid cooler for the 5950X for best results. The NH-D15 is a great cooler, but if you plan on increasing the power limits the results will be considerably better on an AiO. Rendering loves all the power you can provide it!
@@UnhingedSystems Yeah! My next upgrade will be next year, hopefully, and there I will jump to the 7950X3D with a proper AIO. Thanks again; you were so clear with all the explanation. Saturday I will watch it again to make some tests.
awesome video and appreciate the detailed explanation of your entire process.
Thank you for watching!
What's the difference between both PBO menus? It's duplicated and I'm not quite sure the link between both. Thanks in advance 🙏
That's a great question! They both work, but the AMD overclocking menu seems to override items in the other menu. For good measure I only use the AMD overclocking menu and just ignore the other one. It was an odd choice for the BIOS to contain two places to change the same settings 🧐
Really nice and super great at explaining! Would you be covering some RAM overclocking as well on the 5950x? I've seen that the 5000 series can be pushed further on tightening timing and would love an explanation on that
Yeah, but be sure to have good binned DDR memory. It's really difficult to push certain sticks. Everything CL14 3200/3800 is highly likely to be able to get 200-600 MHz more. But with CL16 kits it's hit or miss. CL18 kits, probably you can squeeze out some performance, but you need to loosen timings so much that's probably not worth the effort. (Edit: mHz - MHz). Also, not all DIMMS listed as Samsung B-Die will be a B-die, especially for CL16+ kits (CL14 probably is B-Die, but they are really scarce and expensive now).
@@sloppyprogrammer4373 yeah defo expensive. I bought team group 8 pack ripped edition mem. 16gb £180, when I bought and are b-die guaranteed 3600 cas 14
Anyone following this video just use ryzen master and apply changes that way until you find your sweet spot. Going back and forth to the bios isn’t necessary until youve found the right clock and voltage for you.
Also a good method. I have a number of other OC videos coming up that will touch on different methods and approaches. It would be easy to do a 2HR video on all the ways and approaches, tools, etc, but no one would want to watch that 🧐
Thk you
Instead of adding more voltages. could you not go into digi power and tune load line calibrations and SOC voltages?
You could play more with load line and SOC for sure, but ultimately if your CPU doesn't have enough voltage for the OC it won't be stable. I've spent several months with the 5000 series overclocking, tweaking, and seeing how far it can be pushed and I haven't found load line calibration and SOC voltage increases to be overly effective or really changing the results much. If you set load line to level 3/4 and SOC add 0.1V that's about as far as you need to take that. If the CPU is thirsty for more voltage, only voltage will satiate its thirst. On my Dark Hero the load line and SOC voltage doesn't affect stability with higher overclocks at all on my 5950X and I have found the same results on the ProArt X570 with the 5900X. If I was doing some extreme overclocking with liquid nitrogen then I would get more into the other settings, but with normal cooling methods it doesn't seem to add much value. Not saying it doesn't help, just saying it isn't really significant in any of the testing I have done.
@@UnhingedSystems ok cool man thanks. I am trying to get my 5900x to 4.750 or 4.8 today. with PBO I can hit 5.2 sometimes.
I've been able to keep my 5900x@4.4Ghz 1.2V for almost half a year now! I could get aome higher clocks, 4.5, however I used various programs to test thermals and Blender's OpenData renders pushed it past 90C so, 4.4Ghz it is 😂
Solid! The 5900X is an awesome chip. I'm starting another build series shortly that will make use of it.
I managed a manual clock of 4.6 at 1.263V (Auto) stable temps while gaming, highest I’ve seen is 75c. Not sure if I should consider that a lucky chip but pbo it’s very confusing to me when applying, it’s able to hit around 5mhz but when I boot into idle my temps are like 70c with using my gaming fan curve profile on fan control on top of constant voltage spikes. (Around 1.385-1.4 range)
I know I sound dumb saying this but i legit don’t understand, I like the concept of curve optimiser but it hasn’t worked out so far until I put some time into trying again . 🤔
well done, subd.
Thanks for the sub!
Mine runs at 1.4 with stock settings and i think when it boosts or something 😐 my cooler is Cooler master ml240 v2
I would love it if you did a video on the curve optimizer in PBO. I would like to overclock my 5900x to get the best performance on all core and single core, but am not sure how to go about it.
Will do, gimme a couple weeks! Overclocking is a cool topic!
@@UnhingedSystems it definitely is. This is my first time actually trying to overclock a cpu. The last computer I built was about 10 years ago, and I just built it to play games. Never got around to overclocking it. Haha
Good job. I wish you specified power consumption when using dynamic oc.
200-240W CPU power consumption when it runs on overclocking mode between 4.3-4.6 GHz vs power consumption of 140W at default operation which is 3.4 GHz all-core clock.
Honestly the performance gain vs power gain is reasonable up to about 4.4GHz and then it starts becoming more power exponentially required to maintain a stable overclock.
At the highest possible OC stable I was was pulling over 280W CPU power consumption, but the heat and minimal performance gains weren't worth it for a daily driver.
Do you have already the new ASUS Dark Hero BIOS Firmware 3904 installed?????
Not yet, still rocking 3801.
3904 is apparently buggy, so I don't recommend it.
@@UnhingedSystems Okay
my 5950x on default 1.40v idk why , any guide on MB x570 tuf gaming ??
1.4V is pretty normal for peak voltage, even up to 1.5V if you are using monitoring software. The trick is look at the voltage under an all-core load, the voltage doesn't go over 1.3-1.35 when all cores are loaded up.
Why is the boost clock all the way up to 4.9 if you can only get like 4.65 overclocking? Usually you can stably overclock past the boost clock if you have sufficient cooling.
Single-core boost hits 4.9 sustained boost one 1-2 cores at a time. That is beneficial in games where the "world thread" can benefit from the fastest core.
All-core 4.9 wouldn't be possible without liquid nitrogen and an insane amount of voltage. 16-cores all running at 4.9 would likely need about 1.5+ or even 1.6+ volts that would hit over 90C and thermal throttle even on a liquid cooled setup and would definitely be drawing more than a safe amount of amps though the CPU socket.
You could do it with liquid nitrogen.
@@UnhingedSystems
Ahhh, gotcha.
the problem of the ryzen 5000 is that only the first ccd reaches the frequency of 4.7 GHz you have to set two separate frequencies
more people need to know this, there are two, and we're only OCing one, the weakest
For me 44 with 1.25 works for custom 1 min cinebench, but with 10min throttle test, it restarts the pc. Does it need more voltage? Maybe I should do 44 with 1.325? ( I got ryzen 5950x with iCUE H170i ELITE LCD Liquid )
what is a normal score for a Ryzen 9 5900X in Cinebench 23 in the multicore test??????
My 5900X system scores around 20150-20400 at stock settings
@@UnhingedSystems Okay thanks for the info.
@@UnhingedSystems Ive got 22497 today with PBO enabled .Single core 1622.
@@helthuismartin That's great! The 5900X really is a fantastic chip!
Really great video! I just got my 5950x with x570s Aorus master, I able to overclock to 4.525Ghz with vcore 1.225v, I'm running Cinebench r20 and r23 stable with max temp 80c using 360 aio. I scored 11787 points on Cinebench r20 and 30304 points on r23. It's my first time overclocking CPU, is it a good overclock?
This looks pretty good. I'm aiming to do this with the 5950X on an Asus Crosshair hero VIII
@@KRGraphicsCG just doing the 1st step with 5950x gets me to 100c with a custom loop and a crash, it ran hot with an aio originally too, the loops water temp is usually around 27-28c and the same for my 3090 but the cpu is always 65 idle and 80+ in load
@@juansnow5897 yikes. I'm going to be using air cooling so I best be careful
How do I turn off ODS?
Great guide thank you 🙏
I have the same CPU and MOBO with 3600mhz RAM and Every time I try and set my DOCP profile to its advertised 3600mhz my system immediately crashes and tries to reboot a couple times before giving up and resetting to default settings. Any insight?
Check which RAM kit you have and verify it with the motherboard memory QVL documents to see if it is supported. There are a lot of RAM kits out there and not all of them will run at their rated speeds with different motherboard/CPU combinations.
Contrary to what some tech RUclipsrs have stated the last couple of years, this has been an issue since DDR first was introduced and is nothing new. Ever since DDR/2/3/4/5 overclocked modules came about they have not all worked in all board/CPU configurations.
If you are on the latest BIOS update and setting DOCP causes reboots and instability then unfortunately that kit is likely not compatible with the board at those rated speeds. Some RAM is tested and advertised at one rated speed on a certain configuration, but then on another configuration something as simple as the distance between the traces for the RAM slots and the CPU is enough to prevent them from working on X motherboard vs Y Motherboard with Z CPU.
Which make/model of RAM kit is that one?
@@UnhingedSystems Its the Corsair Vengeance LPX CL18 kit. 64Megs. I know Ryzen chips are advertised as only being compatible for up to 3200MHZ mem but know my board (ASUS Dark Hero Crosshair VIII) can support the faster speeds 🤷♂️
@@AlexanderSogliero Do you happen to have the part number for the kit? Chances are it isn't on the verified list for the board.
Whooaaa, thanks. I was wondering how nice would it be if there is automatic switch for OC settings.
I tried following this recipe with an AMD 5950x processor on an Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Formula motherboard, but it didn't work. Does anyone here know a site with recipes for overclocking?
It is going to be dependent on the build. What kind of an overclock do you want? All-core or increased PBO performance?
@@UnhingedSystems Increased PBO Performance, I think.
@@UnhingedSystems I'm trying to work with lower temperatures without decreasing performance.
@@nc6493 Check out my Ryzen Master Video from last week. You can probably benefit from increasing your PBO limits by 15-20%. What cooler are you running?
@@UnhingedSystems Corsair Hydro X Series XH305i Hardline Water Cooling Kit with/incl XC7 CPU Water Block, XR5 360mm Radiator, XD5 Pump Res and iCUE 3x QL120 RGB 120 mm fans plus more 3x Corsair ML140 PRO 140 mm in push pull with Conductonaut liquid metal thermal paste.
how do you know if you have a motherboard strong enough that you should choose motherboard as the PBO limit instead of disable???
I am getting multiple WHEA-logger errors when setting dynamic oc with 1.25V and XMP enabled 64GB ram dark hero 5950x. This build is 2 days old just random restarts with 5 whea on with XMP enabled on R23 single core multcore always passes, is my processor faulty as a all core 4.4 overclock seemed stable at 1.25volts temps were not an issue resting at 72-75c.
The CPU is probably not faulty. Different CPUs require different voltages to be stable at 4.4. If you are getting WHEA errors your OC is just not stable. 1.25V may not be sufficient for 4.4 on your CPU. WHEA errors are indicative of stability issues on the overclock. Cinebench and other benchmarks can still pass on an unstable overclock, but it doesn't necessarily mean it is stable. Different workloads will stress the CPU differently and can expose instability in the overclock. Try increasing the voltage incrementally until the WHEA errors go away but stay within safe limits.
@@UnhingedSystems Thank you for the response , the whea errors I received were on all auto settings with only xmp set to 3600Mhz my manual overclock of 4.4 was all stable at 1.25 Volts. I just did a manual voltage 1.325V on core with dynamic switcher that did well for a while but hanged and rebooted while idle. I was just concerned about the AMD processors and whea errors, RMA seems to solve the problem for most.
@@syduploads1990 If you disable the overclock and just use PBO you won't have WHEA errors (also make sure you are on at least the second-last BIOS for this board). If there are no WHEA errors using PBO (Not using dynamic OC, and not manually overriding voltages) then there is nothing wrong with your CPU or hardware, the OC just isn't stable.
@@UnhingedSystems I'll try PBO now , updated the bios when I got the first reboot its 4201 finalized non beta...Fingers crossed!
@@UnhingedSystems So PBO was stable on single run and then it failed on multicore test (stability 30 minutes) , what I did then was set all the setting to default and ran the R23 bench again set it to custom 7 hours no hang or reboot on "Multi core" I then tested with single core for 2 hours and it crashed with a WHEA-logger-18 on all auto with in an hour ? one thing I have noticed is the SOC voltage is 0.971 and I am running 4 X 16 GB.
I'm so confused by my R23 score and what im doing wrong. I have 5950X on a Crosshair VIII Hero, Curve Optimiser to -12/-25/-30, Boost Overclock +125, PPT 230 / TDC 170 / EDC 200. DDR4000 @ 3733Mhz CL15 (with FCLK of 1866Mhz), im hitting 87C @ 4.525Ghz all core with PBO, it seems im only hitting about 200-205W though. And just cant break 28500 R23 score. Is this a limit of not having a Dark motherboard?
Is the dynamic switching only availble on the ROG Dark Hero or can I use it on a x-570 strix-E gaming board first gen?
Only the Dark Hero. The feature is "nice to have" but there is also nothing wrong with enabling higher power limits through PBO to achieve increased performance. The peak single core boost clocks are ideal under most use cases anyways. With an increase in PBO power limits you can still get 4.4GHz all-core if you have the cooling to support it.
@@UnhingedSystems I think the updated Strix x570 gaming wifi II has it now as well. I may send an email to Asus to see if they plan to bring it to other x570 boards. if not I can get the new strix board and my mono block from EK will fit it.
@@Joe-wk9ow On the daily I don't even use Dynamic OC switching. It's a cool feature but PBO does it just as good. Aside from "maybe" running at a reduced voltage the overall result is within 1% of the same result.
It may be possible that the obsession with squeezing every last ounce of performance out of our systems is more of a marketing hype forcing us to buy new things and compete for the best and fastest, even by just a few points on a benchmark.
Ah who am I kidding! Full send!
@@UnhingedSystems yeah I hear you. I've been obsessed with overclocking sense the Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 and AMD Phenom black edition days. Back then it was possible to squeeze almost 1GHz in overclocking speeds.
@@Joe-wk9ow Nice! I booted up my QX9650 system the other day and plugged in 4.2GHz and some extra voltage and it was immediately stable. Good days!
The best video so good explained thx
This is new to me, thoughts on 45.00 and 1.3? 2 rads with 3 fans each and distro block, gpu/cpu both liquid cooled
I have same motherboard, 3090 fe (liquid cooled) with a 5950x (liquid cooled) and 64gb g skillz 3600mhz
45x and 1.3V may or may not be stable. Give it a go and see where it lands.
@@UnhingedSystems can confirm. zero issues with it the past week
Where you read that 62C? QLED? That's 11C lower than die temp, so 79 is limit not 90.
i basicly copy / pasta your build, the dark hero board comes in at the end of this month
your cpu idles at 32c? mine idles in the high 40's with an custome EK water loop.
At completely idle it settles down into the low 30s. After a long gaming session when the fluids are hotter it is closer to the low 40s. What thermal paste are you using?
@@UnhingedSystems I'm using KPX from Kingpin cooling.
@@BrillianceAutoSpa I would check the mounting pressure of the CPU cooling block. It could just be the way that combination of cooling block is or a difference in the plumbing, fin design on the block, or even variations in CPU thermal out. What are your peak temps stock and peak temps with power limits unlocked? Really the peak temps matters more than the idle temp.
I have been messing with PBO and have not been able to get my scores anywhere close to yours
What motherboard and cooling are you using?
@@UnhingedSystems Using a MSI B550 Unify and with motherboard power limits it goes to 250 PPT and 220 EDC. With my Lian Li Galahad 360 AIO the 5950x hits 90 degrees immediately and stays there for the whole test. The highest score I ever got was 28900 in RC3
@@GraveOW If you were to swap out the thermal paste with something more high-end it wouldn't hit 90C. At 90C the CPU is thermal throttling and can't run any faster. The 360 AiO should be enough. Check my thermal compound video with the Thermalright TFX.
@@UnhingedSystems Yeah all I had was arctic silver 5 when I built it a few months back. A tube of Kryonaut is going to come in tomorrow. That will be my last ditch effort to fix it lol
@@GraveOW so ... How's your temp now?
Im undervolting and using the dynamic switch at 35A sor single core boost to be active too. Getting 5.14ghz@ auto single core, and 4.2ghz@1,1v. Getting 27900-28500 r23. low 60´s allcore maxload, singlecore maxload high 80s.
Happy as f with my rig and setup when compared to maxed out like this. and mine is pretty quiet too :)
Got most perf from tuning bdie,
Curve optimizer isn't part of PBO.
Keep in mind that just passing Cinebench run and having actually stable oveclock is a far cry...
Very true! It is very challenging to fit a lot of information into a video without it being an hour long 🙂
I'll be showing a whole gamut of tools in a 5900X video in January. OCCT is actually one of my favorites for CPU error detection. Cinebench is a nice light workload for a CPU, if it can't at least pass that then it's an instant fail. The real test is AVX2 instructions and heavy workloads. I'll also be explaining the whole 5GHz peak and why it doesn't mean much as sustained boost clocks are far more important!
Thank you for the comment!
I have my Ryzen 5 3600 overclocked to 4.5GHz, however I have to run at 1.35v. Temps still sitting at 41⁰ while gaming. Under direct load with Cinebench, I peak around 62⁰
I'm happy with the 4.5 as this was a super cheap chip. 360mm aio (H150i Capellix) seems to give a LOT of thermal headroom for a much bigger chip. I think my next upgrade will be a 5800x ☺️
That's a sweet OC! I'd recommend the 5900X over the 5800X as it has much more thermal headroom. 5800X is an awesome chip, but it runs quite hot compared to a 5900X (5800X clocks nice and high and uses the same 140W stock power limit as the 5900X and 5950X stock for stock).
Damn, I only got to 4.2570 or something at 1.28v I think?
what the monitoring software youre using in the video?
I was using HWMonitor. I use a mix of HWMonitor, HWInfo64 and some others with varying degrees of accuracy.
@@UnhingedSystems can I set it up so it runs standard voltages until it needs to over clock
I’ve worked out at 1.325 it runs stable at 4600mhz but don’t want to leave it at that voltage all the time
I recently brought 5950x with NZXT Z73 AIO with push pull rad config but my CPU idle temp is always 50+ and sometimes it goes above 60 which feels worried to me! Can you suggest me what to do? I brought it for the purpose of content creation. Sometimes it hit 70+ when i do nothing except browsing chrome! My 5950x with Asus tuf x570 running on 1.40v 3.4GHz on default.
What thermal paste are you using? Did you just use the paste that came with it?
A really good thermal paste can bring a mediocre cooler into very reasonable performance. Thank you for the question!
This happens because when set to auto AMD has the it set for the cpu to bring the most overclock possible for any task. That can lead to increased voltage+heat to reach that overclock that occurs by default auto. I had a similar problem and that is basically what I found from others reading about the issue. I also had high temps when just using a browser. Once I turned off the auto or auto oc modes in the bios my temps dropped to normal.
mine runs stable at 1.265 4.5k .. that seems to be the sweet spot for me. I have a 1000 watt Platinum rated EVGA power supply (wish I had the 1200 watt one). Power supplies are one most important things for Overclocking ur CPU capabilities. ... I get r23 scores over 29k and my temps run 60 to 65 on a full load...
I have both ccx's set at 4.5 and my threshold set to 40 amps.. all my games run between 25 and 45 amps that way when it goes over I consistently get that all core boost 4.5 to over 5k on the curve... 12 of my 16 cores spike over 5k My CPU Idles between 38 and 42 degrees on an NZXT cooler. (wish I had an open loop probably could get temps way lower)
I just set the pbo to auto and turned on the enhancer plus gave it a 50 boost override running perfectly and passed all stress testing.. kahru. prime, occt , 30 min cr23 stress , testmem. No wheaa errors for months
Im getting between 200 and 240 FPS on warzone and 240 consistently on apex. I run a AW2721d monitor on 1440p if this helps anyone.
KEEP IN MIND not every processor and hardware is the same you have to really stress your voltages and speeds DO NOT COPY people it will NEVER WORK.... I REPEAT DO NOT COPY SETTINGS
My 5950x is getting a default score of 14,700. Anyone know why it’s 10k points lower than OP? Please help thank you
What board are you using?
@@UnhingedSystems B550-f gaming wifi
@@falconclutch4051 Are you running on the latest BIOS revision? Do you have the CPU power cables connected (top-left of board)?
If you reset defaults in the BIOS and re-test you should be getting at least 24,000 on R23. Are you running Cinebench R20 or R23?
It sounds like the default core enhancement/ boost may be disabled. Is your CPU hitting 4+GHz or sitting at 3.4 at load?
@@UnhingedSystems Im running the lastest version of the bios
i noticed i didnt have an extra 4pin connector for the cpu plugged in. I plugged it in but same results
im using cinebench r23. i have reset the bios by pressing load optimized defauls.
im hitting 4.8ghz speeds. so im not locked in at the 3.4ghz
im at a loss here. thank you for responding by the way
@@falconclutch4051 It sounds like you may have 1 CCD disabled. Download Ryzen Master and make sure both CCDs are active.
My 5950X had one CCD disabled by default the first time I installed it, had to turn it back on. Not sure why, every other one I have installed had both active out of the gate.
Could I use your same settings on the same motherboard but just for the 5900x or would some tweaking be neccessary?
It will be very similar and should work for a good starting point on the 5900X. Because the 5900X has fewer cores it has a little more headroom for single-core and all-core overclocks.
Out of the box with everything set to auto without changing anything it goes crazy high in temps and then crashes almost immediately when I run a game. Setting it to 1.35 volts or bellow is a must do when getting this cpu
Stock and auto these won't crash or overheat. Something is off. What cooler, motherboard are you using and what BIOS revision are you on?
Some motherboards have some "Auto" settings that don't play nice and just full send the CPU with no care for caution.
My 5950x it's on a dark hero and with the auto switcher get on the blue screen, I have to stick with 42.00 and 1.225v 😞
Good video don't get me wrong. Really good info and all that. But in short.. if you don't own a dark hero motherboard it's pretty much useless to overclock your CPU (all cores) unless it's a power house for rendering non stop. The fact that you lose the 2 core turbo boost says it all. But with the Dark Hero MB. You can have both for sure.
100% agreed. Using PBO and curve optimizer are better for a lot of use cases! My curve optimizer video is a follow-up on the topic. Thank you for the comment!
What were your ambient temps?
Ambient temps in my space are maintained between 19-20C
@@UnhingedSystems No wonder you're able to hit 30k so easily! I get around 29k but my ambient is 25.5c
@@chs9627 Yea you definitely can't stretch the performance as far in higher ambient temps.
Here are my specs:
DDR4 2400 64GB RAM / asus proart x570 Motherboard / 5950x Ryzen / RTX 3090
I'm getting terrible cinebench results. Hitting around 8000 on multi which is awful since people are hitting 24,000 - 28,000 with the stock settings. Could it be because my ram? Does ram affect the performance of the CPU and does it affect overclocking it?
Hello Vernon! The first thing I would check is in your BIOS to ensure both of the CCX and all cores are enabled. When I received my 5950X only one CCX was enabled by default for some reason.
RAM does indeed affect performance, but Cinebench is not the best indicator of RAM performance and wouldn't explain such a low performance number. Can you confirm you are running Cinebench R23? Previous versions of Cinebench use different scoring as well.
@@UnhingedSystems where in the bios can I make sure that all cores a activated?
@@UnhingedSystems Holy shit bro... After a bunch of test I found out that my PC was hacked and half of my cores were being used to mine bitcoin lol Installed anti-virus software and ran a scan and it removed the virus. Now everything runs perfect!
@@RainsalotProductions Oh my! That's no good! Gotta watch for that malware! Which application did you use to detect and remove it?
my 5950x was very stable at 4.4ghz at 1.1volts.. how.. ??
Thanks a lot!! Overclocked with precision boost overdrive the same processor on asus b450i gaming. Temps 81C with 16 cores 32 threads in use and improved calculation speed from 28000kt/s to 33000kt/s on monkersolver.
Any idea why my system crashed even without any overclocks with DOCP 3200 speeds but not 3000 speed? Worked fine with my previous processor Ryzen 5 3600. Crashing occurs when running monkersolver with 32 threads. 3000 mhz everything works perfectly, works for a while with 3066 mhz and incrementally crashing occurs faster when upping Mhz. 3200 crashes instantly. Running Kingston FURY Beast RGB 64GB (2x32GB) 3200MHz DDR4 CL16. Doesn't matter if I use 5gb or 55 gb of the ram for calculations the crashing still occurs the same.
Great video mate really helpful 👍. I have a 5950x and with your video got 4.6 at 1.28v stable. With that voltage would this be fine to run as a daily.
Thank you for the comment! That voltage is fine for daily use. No issues there!
@@UnhingedSystems great thats good to know 👍
I just want to over clock it slightly to take advantage of my large photoshop files. For some reason, my PC crashes when I try to overclock the ram
RAM is finicky. Are you just trying to enable the XMP/DOCP profiles or are you trying to do a manual overclock?
Amd recomended 1.35v max for 24/7 overclocking.
Yes, we shouldn't exceed 1.35V as a manual setting (Although stock the voltages will exceed 1.4V during boost). I did some testing at and above 1.4V to see if anymore performance can be gotten, but stability isn't improved beyond that.
@bloodhound850 The thermal throttling will prevent damage, that's why it shut down / reset.
What cooler do you have? I find it odd that you hit 115C.
@bloodhound850 D15 isn't going to cut it for any kind of overclock on a 5950X. I did mine on a custom water loop.
@bloodhound850 That is correct. With that cooler I would just run the CPU on all default settings, no overclock, no manual voltage. The 1.35V is the maximum AMD recommended for safe long-term use, though you would be better in the long run just letting the CPU manage the power settings.
@bloodhound850 also u can go into bois and change your tjmax aka thermal throttle limit from 90c factory to 80 or 85. I would recomend going with an aio water cooler from corsair. I have one and able to pbo oc let the mb control voltage. Do all core co -10. And ur 5950x will be happy
Do you run A.I. Suite 3? I have it running the motherboard, it controls my water pump and it can mess with the bios overclock settings. I also have ryzen master. I see you did everything manually, my system stays stable at 4.1Ghz with 1.2 volts. Do you think pushing it to 4.4 Ghz is worth it? thanks for all your' help again. have a nice day.
I stopped using AI Suite a long time ago (Z170 days). I like the Fan Expert 3 tool for setting curves and profiles (though the custom ones never seem to stick).
Personally I would use Ryzen Master (Video coming soon) or manually overclock. If 4.1 is stable and you still have thermal headroom (temps aren't getting above 80C mostly) then you could push it a little further. If you are gaming you are better off using PBO and setting higher power limits so you can get the single core boost clock speeds. If you are doing rendering workloads or other highly CPU intensive workloads then you may as well push for a higher stable all-core clock and see where the thermals are reasonable. PBO actually does quite an excellent job at tuning based on power limits.