Side-by-side comparison | Gasoline vs electric vehicle costs using San Diego fuel prices
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- Опубликовано: 13 фев 2022
- The State of California aims to have 8 million electric vehicles on the road by the year 2030. But is it really cheaper to drive an electric vehicle (EV) rather than a gasoline vehicle?
CBS 8 did a side-by-side comparison using current fuel prices in San Diego.
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This is a pretty dumb comparison! One of the benefits of owning an Electric Car is the convince of charging at home and taking advantage of the cheaper rates, which currently are 9¢/kWh. This means that my approximately 30 mile commute costs me about $1-$1.20 which in a gasoline car would cost about $5. And not to mention all the time wasted going to a gas station (especially if you want to save money and fill up at Costco) Add the pretty much zero maintenance of the EVs and as long as you can either have a 240V charger installed at home or have access to charging at your work, EVs are a no brainer.
And almost every time I bring my gasoline car to the dealer for an oil change, they find at least $800 worth of needed maintenance work.
Yes
A no brainer’s car….you must cleanup the koolaide mess you created….tell me what bank you plan to rob for a replacement battery pack compared to a gas engine…short term myopia.
@@offgridmangogrower I know people with 150000-250000 miles on their Chevy Bolt with zero issues. Considering that, the battery will outlast my car
@@henrikcsuri sorry I only know Tesla owners
Maybe bolt ones have better results….I grow your produce on renewable energy…but have not converted to battery driven vehicles….in theory I could charge cars with my system….still waiting for a comparable cost per discharge cycle….over lead chemistry.
@@offgridmangogrower There's no escaping that the battery is expensive! Most warranties are offer 8 - 10 years with 70% range still at the end. But on a 10+ year old EV car, very few people would want to $5k - $10k on a fresh new battery to get a small range back from the original total. But, then an old 2012 Tesla might still be a $30K+ car today, so maybe you would? It's not exactly like a combustion engine is going to cost surprisingly less. You'll still have a transmission, engine, or emissions repair in that time frame, and all the maintenance leading up to a major repair.
Wrong comparison should be a gas mini vs EV mini
Too bad you didn't use the same size car. Not a accurate test for sure
Why doesn't this use off peak charging rates (about one forth the rates they showed)? I have two EVs, and charge them with 220v circuits in my garage (same plugs and circuits I would use for an electric dryer). I make a habit of plugging them in at night, and they automatically kick in between 12 and 6 - my most favorable rate. Just a habit now, like plugging in my phone. I don't pay for smog checks, tuneups, or oil changes. My biggest operational expense is tire wear, followed by wiper blades. I only use charging stations when I take a long distance trip. The fossil fuel industry is fighting electricification/solar energy the way the tobacco industry fought smoking regulation - with fear, uncertainty, and doubt. They don't know how to be the middle man for people harvesting sunlight on their rooftops to power their homes and transportation, so they are throwing up an endless stream of misinformation about EVs and Solar in San Diego.
I think your pretty sold on the ev experience….my jump or leap is from solar off grid farming to (electric 4x4 and possibly an e-side by side and e-tractor…..I would prefer this maturation over time rather than be ram rodded
Or mis informed by kool aide drinkers and government….any change should be of our own choosing and not by creating an (artificial) energy shortage….just to say your saving money or to promote solar and ev usage…..
My son lives in San Diego and enjoys his Tesla. He drove it 600 miles to our house, and we compared his fuel costs for the trip with my Honda Civic. At 40 cents a kWh for electricity and $5 a gallon for gasoline, each of us spent 12 cents a mile for fuel. But he had to stop twice for about 20 minutes each time to refuel his car. 😎
The sites I look on claim that the tesla can go 3.5 miles on a kwh so at 25¢ kwh (current lowest rate available) it comes out to 7¢ per mile. The new Prius Hybrid gets 56 miles per gallon so at $4 per gallon (it's $3.77 at Costco today) it comes to 7¢ per mile. Over 5 years the depreciation, tires, insurance, interest, maintenance, would be roughly the same.
I have no way of getting a new car - used car. So that does suck 🤦♀️
Hmmmmm also is San Diego ALREADY having brown outs ???
Brown outs are usually pre-planned, so you can prepare for them. My commute is a pretty average 30 miles. I would only start making other options for charging if my electricity went out for a week. But than even gasoline cars would be useless.
What kind of report is that? Lame
Didn't even talk about all the maintenance savings in a EV than a gasoline car. Also didn't talk about all the free charging stations already available installed by Volta. Next time do a little more research and learn more about Electric cars before doing a report.
Free???
You leftys are dense.
Nothing is free.
But please tell me more about no/low inflation??!
@@ericmorrison8772 well 1st thing I'm not a lefty 2nd thing Volta chargers rely on digital advertising that pay the electricity to charge ev's.
I bought my ev to save money not the planet. Do your research before accusing people.
Why not do full tank use compared to full charge use with similar full capacity mileage? I think would be different 🤔
Because at full charge at 110v it would take 10hrs… not to mention the EV proy has invested $30k on the car vs 20k and over 10k for solar to get the $1 rate.
This test in the video doesn't actually favor the EV car. Their charge rates are slower above 50% battery capacity and the battery starts to slightly resists a charge - so it takes more electricity. We're talking maybe up to 15% more. So no longer will he pay $0.11/kw to get a 1kw charge, it's probably $0.125/kw near capacity. Not a lot, and not as much as a combustion engine looses to heat. But worth noting.
@@V3RGL This video is a pretty bad comparision. Most EV owners charge at home overnight when the rates are the cheapest. It costs me about $1-$1.20 to recharge my 30 mile commute. I used to use about a gallon of fuel for the same so that would be close to $5 at current prices
Do you have concerns about helath risks related to electric vehicles? 🤔
@@TheBosslady619 ev are a fire hazard but other then that
everyone is up in arms about electricity rates but we just accept and forgive exorbitant gasoline prices... Electricity is a miracle of technology and we should be paying SO MUCH for this luxury we have day and night... count your blessings.
I’m not forgiving any idiot democrat for turning our energy independence to a dependence on hostile Russia’s gas and oil….if you are forgiving….you are giving up your paycheck and freedom…..
No one's talking about the cost to replace a battery and secondly It doesn't matter how many amp hours the battery is or how efficient the electric motors are ICE engines are here to stay
You cannot just multiply by hours x rate. You must include kwatts. An out let can produce 120v x 20a or 2.4 kwatts
You electric bill just went up didn't it?Now you can charge your car at peak price time ,nice
SDGE offers EV rates for $16/month which offers 9cents/kWh between midnight and 6am during the week and midnight and 2pm on weekends. I spend about $40/month on extra electricity to charge my car. With the current fuel prices it would cost my almost $100, not to mention all the time wasted going to a gas station. Add all the time and money wasted on oil changes and other required maintenance that internal combustion engines need.
@@henrikcsuri I am paying .0725 For kilowatt hour where I live at, That's prices don't seem cheap to me. You should be paying the same kilowatt hour price whether you're welding or using a hair dryer or whatever. Now they're gonna charge you a different rate depending on Now they're gonna charge you a different rate depending on what appliance you're using no thanks that's not a good deal
@@johnjaco5544 I pay $0.09/kWh. At $0.0725/kWh you would pay about ¢58 for what's the equivalent of a gallon of fuel
It's not a matter of cheaper. After the fossil fuel consumption, the effects are enormous over all. Come on, still with cost? New ideas, please. 👀☕
This is assuming the charger draws one KW/h…….. would like to see a “kill-a-watt” on the connection. Or an amp meter and a calculator.
There ya go….put some real facts into this comparison…..
So where you want to go better make sure you can charge the car on driving but forget where power comes from
The public charging network is rapidly growing thanks to Electrify America, EVGo, etc. Plus more and more hotels/motels install Level 2 [240V] chargers where you can easily recharge during your stay.
The gasoline powered car looks larger when parked side by side. Why didn't they use two identical vehicles?
two Fiat EVs?
Good point! The Hyundai Kona comes in both electric and internal combustion engine form.
It is only a 10 mile test. I doubt the results would be different. Also, the day rate kwh was used instead of the special cheaper night rate so it balances out IMO.
Lazy reporting and clearly no understanding of cost/benefits of driving an EV. Tesla and other private companies pay for the EV charging network, or you can charge at home with a Level 2 charger (at super off-peak rates).
A 2019 Fiat and 110v charging is hardly representative of the current EV marketplace.
There are a lot of reasons to drive an EV: 1. EV batteries are recyclable (gasoline is not), 2. EVs have low maintenance costs (no oil, no tune ups, and brakes last forever), 3.raw materials for EVs are sourced in North America (NMG, LAC, PLL, etc.), 4. many EV owner charge off their roofs (I product more electric power than I use)... and dozens of other reasons why EVs make sense.
And the technology is changing very quickly... Aptera is just one new auto maker that runs on the sun. Or use your car as a battery-backup for your house. And the list goes on...
A big turkey in your argument…gas is not recycled….but batteries are….what incredible amount of oil….nat gas…and nuclear is consumed via transmission power losses to (power your turd at night) what you produce during the day is not of commercial importance. Now if you said “my roof top solar charges my car directly” (during my sunny days” then you would get a standing ovation…..
@@offgridmangogrower Yes! Throw your wooden shoes into the machines! The rest of us will live in a better future.
This is a bias comparison since it did not mention the acquisition costs of the 2 vehicles. Highly priced EVs will take 5 years to break even with gasoline vehicle and only then that you will reap your savings from EVs. You need to improve your data gathering and extensive research.
Where do the raw materials for the ev batteries come from? Is the U.S. dependent on foreign sources to provide those raw materials in the future?
How much does it cost to produce the electricity required to charge an ev? How much does it cost to build the chargers? How much does it cost to build the ev featured in this report? How many miles is that ev expected to last over it's lifetime? How is that ev disposed of when it's useful life is over? How are the batteries disposed of? Are new replacement batteries expensive? Is it possible for hobbyists, home-based mechanics or independent garages to repair these ev's? Is the cost of ev maintenance expensive? Are replacement parts for ev's plentiful and easily available? How does the cost of ev maintenance compare to conventional gasoline or diesel vehicles? Do ev's have warranties that require the consumer to have their vehicles serviced exclusively at the dealership? How reliable are ev's? How safe are ev's Are the batteries in ev's safe? Can ev's be recycled like vintage gas powered cars? Will the U.S. power grid be able to supply enough energy for future demand? Most of these questions were not answered by this reporter. Why is that?
-You can likely easily Google where the materials for EV batteries come from.
-My 30 mile commute consumes about 8kW, which costs me about $1-$1.20. It used to cost me a gallon of fuel, so with current prices it would almost cost $5.
-A 240V so called Level 2 charger costs around $350. As far as for public DCFC [DC fast chargers], you check with Electrify America or EVGO.
-My Chevy Bolt after all the rebates came out to about $21000. In 2020, when the federal tax rebate expired, you could get one from Chevy for under $25000
-I know people with 150000-250000 miles on their Chevy Bolts with zero issues. Considering how much I drive, my battery will outlast the car
-You dispose EVs just like you would any other cars. By recycling most of it.
-There are already companies who recycle EV batteries just like 12V lead acid batteries. Remember, EVs are still in their early stages. It's still a new technology.
-The required maintenance items on my Chevy Bolt are as follows:
rotate tires every 7500 miles
replace the cabin filter every 22500 miles windshield wipers every 15000 miles
replace coolant every 150000 miles.
The brakes last forever, because you mostly use the electric motor to stop the vehicle. I rotate the tires on my car also swapped the cabin filter. Didn't need new blades yet and I would take it to the dealer for the coolant replacement, because I don't have the proper tool to create vacuum in the coolant circuits.
-No warranty requires you to service you vehicle at the dealership. You are just required to prove that all the maintenance was kept up properly, by a trained person. Meaning you can change your oil on your own pickup truck as long as you keep the receipts and can prove that you done it right.
-Reliability: see above comment about owners with high mileage Bolts
-What do you mean by how safe EV batteries are?
-My commute uses about as much electricity as an electric heater used overnight would. I think even the current grid can manage that.
If you have any further questions, I'll be glad to answer them!
Fix it again Tony
This isn't a very realistic way of looking at things... .why?? there are proposals out there or I should say proposed legislation that once we have electrical vehicles where's the state going to get taxes from... like they do for gasoline?? so the proposal is they are going to tax you by the mile that you drive your electric car. additionally, electricity prices are going to shoot through the roof once everyone has an electric car. We have rolling blackouts now imagine once everyone is plugging in their electric car? even if you have solar panels on your roof and you're saying oh well I wouldn't pay anything because I have solar panels on the roof of my house... well those solar panels aren't free now are they?? so take into the cost. I mean we could go on and on the savings isn't as much as what's shown in this video that's for sure... it might be at this very moment in time but in the next 10 to 15 years that electrical rate is going to be way more than it is now amongst other things.
Rates always go up because of service costs. San Diego has the highest rates in the country, also the highest gas prices. It really boils down to convenience. Gas stations in SD are fewer too.
The electric cost on a power bill is a fraction of the total bill. Putt putt cars for retirees.
Maintenance is less on an electric car too.
Wow, so biased. The Kona is an SUV, the EV is a micro. The Kona, took a over half gallon of gas per 10 miles, that equals less than 20 miles to the gallon, even tho this car is rated at 30 city, 35 highway. Why not add the vampire drain the EV loses EVERY day even when it sit in the garage? Why are the actual facts not presented? Why does false information have to be presented? If EVs are better, then do fair comparison instead of trying to deceive the public. EV go thru tires at 3 times the rate of ICE cars, this alone cost more than an annual oil change on an ICE car using synthetic oil ($35).
They used the higher kwh rate to offset the difference. Plus it's only 10 miles.
nice try but missed the mark... Gas vs Electric is great for the environment as well my pocket... and seems the gov wants us to use mass transit appose to gas ... but once the populace hits 30% electric, the price per kw will double and keep going up... as they are already proposing to drop solar incentives and charge a fee to hook up to the grid... we all know you cant charge at night, and therefore you need to buy a battery, the fee grid back program is about to decrease the amount you got once .03cents, an soon a penny per kw, plus a proposed 50$ month to be on the grid... we all need to be on the grid and stop using gas/oil for a greener environment, but in time they(gov) will find a way to charge you more... so build your solar, get your battery to store your own energy an stay off the grid.
Staying off the grid…music to my ears….maybe have two battery packs or two EVs….charge only during the day at home or on your farm….and have a 3rd option if it was like today( overcast) and…a bicycle….