An interesting comparison, but with two completely different types of vehicles. A fair comparison would have been between a Nissan Leaf and the Prius, or the Mach E against a more premium brand compact to mid size CUV, like an Acura RDX or an Audi Q3... As such, this comparison really doesn't really do a fair comparison.
Except, you forgot to mention that when you get in a minor Fender Bender in an EV, and you damage the battery, the repair cost is gonna run you $10,000 to $30,000 because the battery pack is going to be destroyed and need to be replaced. Have fun with that.
@@danieldanforth9625 Yes, insurance will cover it and very soon, the insurance premiums on EVs are going to be $1,000/month. High insurance rates for EVs are coming. Not to mention that when the general public becomes aware of these issues, depreciation of EV's is going to be massive. Have fun with all of that.
I am sorry, but that comparison makes absolute no sense. Picking a small economical hybrid to a Mach-e got (to the least efficient of all the Mach-e, and by far the most expensive) is like comparing apples to bicycles. Also, using a road trip as an example is a very bad measurement, unless you do road trip every second time a day. EVs are far from perfect, but the numbers in this video are not serious at all. Luxury cars depreciates much faster then their cheaper counterparts. A better comparison would have been to compare a BMW x3 ICE against the Mach-e gt, and do a 2 month test consisting of 80% commute and 20% road trip. These numbers are more representative of the average American family, and would tell a completely different story. Looking at your video, it seems that you had to fudge the experiment to get the results that you wanted. This isn’t how science works:)… maybe try again for real?
As an owner of two bulletproof Toyota Hybrids, the longevity and quality has been amazing. Probably will keep them forever. I also have an EV and love it. I use it for daily runs and trips within a 300 mile radius. I charge at home. Cost for maintenance is practically nil. I charge during non peak hours. It’s so nice driving past the Oil Company stations. I use my Highlander Hybrid for long distance travel 400 miles and more. Between minimal to zero emissions is also a good thing, having both technologies, is great. I think overall, the vicious monopolies of the oil companies must end. Bad comparison. Should’ve compared the Prius to a Bolt.
Just to ensure we are talking in today’s dollars: Adjusted for inflation, $26,000 in 2016 for the Prius is equal to about $30,647 in 2022 with an annual inflation over this period at 2.78%. Just so we have an idea…
one big difference is the performace of each vehicle. While the prius is a gas saver it is also a slug on the road. The EV is a nice balance of efficiency and road eating performace runs
Okay, so how nonsensical was this video. You take an ev that costs more than twice the price of the hybrid and then try to compare operating costs...WHO CARES!!! The hybrid owner could be spending his money on gas, hookers, and booz and still save more than the ev owner. Moreover, who in the hell compares vehicles by taking a road trip? Are you constantly road tripping? I guess I'm in the minority that actually sleeps in his own bed most of the time.
This is exactly the reason I bought a PHEV (escape), so I can charge at home for daily errands and use hybrid gas engine (35mpg) on long road trips. You should do similar comparison for escape phev vs mach e ?
My time is more valuable than any fuel cost savings, and the constant range anxiety kills it for me. I’d rather just have a cheap small petrol car with a manual transmission that does 45mpg.
Line up the Prius and the Mustang for a 1/4 mile. If you did a road trip with a gas 5.0 litre Mustang and a Mach E, there is no doubt the Mach E would cost substantially less to refuel.
Here is the issue with any comparison. As of Jan 2024, the average cost of an EV, is 53k. This is marginally lower than it has been, but the average person cannot afford this, much less people living in the lower middle, or lower class. This also does not address the range of EVs, the drain on the grid (if the percentage of ownership of EVs goes up), the cost of upgrading electrical service (for those that plan to charge at home), & for travelling, EV owners need to concern themselves with the weight (significantly heavier than the average car). Given the weight, this is a factor for frequent recharge time.
If you plan on keeping either of them two vehicles... you do realize as they get older the batteries lose the ability to take a full charge, the distance you can travel is going to reduce considerably and take just as long ( if not longer) to recharge. So, let's consider how long hybrid and ev battery will last and the price to replace the battery. I know generally the hybrid batteries run around $10-$15k for the battery, not including the cost to have it replaced. I'm not sure of the cost of an EV battery. I'm sure the costs can vary a lot, but I know it's going be at least twice as much as hybrids. I work on cars for a living and have replaced three hybrid batteries in my career so far The age and milage of the vehicles have varied quite a bit. The last one I replaced was only like 6 years old and had about 120k if I remember right. I want to say it cost nearly $15k ( I'm in Missouri so that price is probably cheaper than on the coasts) Other two hybrids were older and had in the 200k miles area.... a bit cheaper but not by much. I am curious as the longevity of full EV batteries as they haven't been really been as common up until the last 10 years.
you dont maintain EV often but when you do it will cost you your life Ford lists the price of a replacement battery for a 2021 Mustang Mach-E at over $20,000
MarchE gets approximately 307mile/(134kw/33.7) =77.3 mpeg. Other EV might improve a bit, but what if gas price drops to 4$. Prius kills every EV in fuel cost.
You guys should take into consideration the time value of money. The EV in this video has more front-loaded cost which is weighted far more heavily than back-loaded costs.
great video tho i still lean more towards the Gas cars now. your mention of lower MPG cars at the end was nice but thats a supra and a bronco. how about some of the most sold cars in america like a civic and a rav4. you can snag a civic, as an example, for 23k-ish and get 40+mpg highway. insurance is cheap, ownership is cheap and wont depreciate nearly as hard as the prius or any elec vehicle. i understand generally EVs maintenance will be low but eventually that battery will go and that wont be cheap, not to mention the degradation of the batteries as you charge them over and over. i personally dont see EVs beating the everyday person's gas car. especially in states where gas isnt 5.70. gas in Massachusetts is around 4.80
Great video! It would be admittedly a closer comparison between, say, a plug in RAV4 vs Hybrid RAV4, but you covered all the data bases nicely. In my head I've always thought that EVs make for great city cars, and hybrids/gas are better for longer distances (at least for right now), and this seems to back that up.
Analysis of cost of fuel has to be based on the cost of gasoline less the federal and state highway and excise taxes. Somebody has to pay for the road and upkeep of the infrastructure.
If we all get EVs we can crater the national power grid so we all get to walk or ride bikes. And that's great exercise and very efficient. BTW great video really enjoyed it.
@@jameswitte5676 The utility is billing $0.195/kWh I can see exactly how much the vehicle uses both from the car and via my charger. Yes, there are taxes, but they are not nearly 1/2 of the base rate.
Interesting real-world, direct-experience comparison, thanks. Nevertheless, arguably, it’s an apples-to-cherries comparison. Speaking as a 2017 Prius Prime driver, the Prius is a considerably smaller and lower-performance car than the Mach-E GT. (Although, yes, the 2024 Prius is considerably more powerful than previous years.) A possibly-more-useful comparison to the Prius, but still roughly along similar lines, might be the Tesla Model Y, since it’s a much more efficient car. On electric, my Prius Prime gets about 4.5 miles/KWh, and the Model Y gets close to 4, whereas the Mach-E GT is closer to the 2.5 to 3 miles/KWh range. But again, it’s a much-roomier and more-powerful car.
Very good video. Thanks :) Two reasons why I have not bought an EV yet- 1. EV technology is still new. Toyota is "hoping" for a 900 mile solid state battery in the next 2-5 years. When this happens, all current EV's will take a major value drop. Laterally no one will buy a 300 mi. range EV, unless they are dirt cheap. There goes all the savings made with any current EV. Such is the nature of being an early adopter. 2. Chargers are not everywhere. Take a trip from So. Cal to say Carlsbad Caverns in NM. This is a place I've wanted to go back to since I was a kid. I don't think any EV can do the trip. I don't want the extra headache of calculating where my next charge will be, or if I can actually go to the place I want to go.
Charging at home is irrelevant because you can do other things. Charging on the road - anywhere from 15-40 minutes depending on how much you charge. EVs are not even close to competitive in terms of time spent fueling up on the road.
1. EVs depreciate more than gas/diesels. 2. The EV has equally if not more suspension & chassi components in the most cases & electrical components that should be serviced and maintained. Overall the service cost should not be in the EV favor and the depreciation should be greater.
Entertaining video but no surprises. You compared a super efficient light hybrid car to an inefficient SUV EV. Why not the mustang vs an ICE BMW X5. Or the Prius vs a Tesla Model 3? That seems like a better comparison for folks considering ICE vs EV
I got a 2013 Prius I got for $2,000 dollars less than 2 years ago with bad batteries, rebuilt the battery pack for $300 bucks, I haven't driven Range Rover, E46 M3, S54 swapped E46 sedan anymore, gas is $6.79 here in San Diego, I laugh at people that use to laughter at me driving a Prius.
something tells me hybrids would be even better for both upfront cost and total cost to operate? the tech gets better and one could have both option of topping up a fuel tank or leave it to charge if time isn't as issue (eg : overnight when one sleeps)
How long was your accumulated wait time for charging? Not exactly efficient for people that drive more miles for their job if they have to charge during the day.
@@revmatchtv thx, I had no clue. Not looking forward to when you have 3 people in line in front of you when you need to charge up. Considering about half of vehicles are owned by people in multi-family homes where you can't install private chargers and 25% of home owners dont own a garage to safely house their own charger, those days of waiting hours to charge your car publicly are closer than we think
But if you can install a home charger, then you spend less time fueling than an ICE, since you just plug in when you get home and never need to go to a gas station.
@@anonymousfu true, but I regularly travel 600-800 km (500 miles) in a day for work and personal which means I have to put in a couple hours of unpaid overtime to do my job waiting for a charge and of I say over at a hotel, I have to find another one at the end of the Dav or get up extra early on the morning to charge instead of a 5 min full up. Twice a year I do trips of 1400 miles each way and I can drive that in 2 days currently. Take an extra hour or two for a charger half way and then finding one at the end of a 12 hour driving day adds a 3rd day to that trip. Everything comes down to charging time and finding a charger. Good luck in some areas where the power grid can't handle the A/C for hot days and then everyone with Ice vehicles can't do anything. Loving in Canada the range is half or less during the winter, which create a bunch of other issue. I know eventually the infrastructure will be in place but implementing targets of EV's amf ignoring infrastructure is a very dangerous plan. I know of 4 people that sold their ICE vehicles within 12-18 months because they could not manage the charging part, even with at home chargers. Again, living in most areas of Canada we drive significantly longer distances on average because we have such a low population density.
You just ruined my day :( I got the identical twin Mach-E GT as yours yesterday and I drive from LA to Lancaster and back (half of your trip on same freeways) almost daily... In all seriousness, as always, great video. Thank you.
The most shocking part of this video is the 45MPG for the Prius. That is absolutely abysmal for a 4th gen Prius. I can almost get that with a non-hybrid Corolla. What gives? Lol
It was the route. Tremendous elevation changes, high average speed, no stop and go, and high winds. Our Prius has averaged 56mpg over the life of the vehicle (70k miles)
EVs have 40% less parts, pricing will continue to come down as manufacturers learn. Electricity is produced locally so it’s not impacted by wars in Middle East… and almost every utility company in the US is owned by US.. and most utility rates are controlled.. you can’t say this about oil..
These videos are not taking into the account that land owners with public chargers are charging you to park while charging. How does $32 to park and $6 to charge.when your dead you have to pay.
Great analysis of differences in apples and oranges. No Mach-E buyer would ever see the number difference and say "well guess I'll buy a prius now" or vice-versa.
Sorry but with such a big difference in purchasing costs even a $0 ev fuel cost, the hybrid is cheaper. So makes the insurance, fuel etc pointless to count.
FYI, a lithium plant in Canada uses 12,000 litres of diesel for their giant 250 ton dump trucks to mine enough lithium to create 1 battery for an EV car. The life span of that battery will never save the amount of fuel it takes to mine it, much less all the other costs involved. Those dump trucks will never be able to run on electricity because with today's technology, they could not even complete one load with 3 dozen of the biggest EV batteries, which would take a minimum of 6 hours to charge. Experts say that within 10 years that distance would double but would still require 14 EV trucks to do the job of 1 diesel truck in a 24 hours period and that is very inefficient and cost prohibited causing lithium prices to increase at least 10 times, making EV prices skyrocket. These calculations were done by an account at that lithium mine and was scrubbed from social media and nothing can be found online anymore as it was all flagged as fake news. My wife is a geologist at a gold mine not far from the lithium mine, but stays in the same city and that news travels pretty fast as geologists are in a pretty tight community. Governments will do anything to keep this from becoming public and is one of the reasons Trudeau is trying to pass an internet restriction law to filter out what the government thinks is offensive or fake news. Bill C-11 was forced through Parliament 2 weeks ago after the Liberals developed a partnership with the NDP earlier that would see the NDP support every bill the Liberals presented giving the minority voted government majority voting power. It will become law when it goes through the Senate and not only will we never hear the truth on climate change and EV's, but also everything else. Those in the US should also worry as Biden is planning the same thing. They are using the hot topic of racism and inclusiveness to gain the censorship control, not for the reasons they say, but to better control available information that conflicts with every decision the government makes. Sorry, that was a tangent, but everything with EV's and climate change has been the starting point for this type of government control. Rising fuel costs, inflation, Russia/Ukraine war, pipeline and refinery cancellations have all conveniently happened within a 24 month period to create a perfect storm to force people to spend their money in a certain way that the government can then dictate. In 30-50 years, history will show that climate change triggered the forced implementation on EV's that started the control of where the government wanted people to spend their money and therefore have complete control over the general economy. It is all about greed and power since of you control where people spend their money, you and your billionaire friends have the money to invest in future economy directions because they have the money and we normal people can barely afford to buy food or gas, much less invest for retirement, resulting in seniors relying on the government to support them. This is the Build Back Better, World Economic Forum plan and we are seeing the first physical implementation of it through forced EV purchases. You also don't think the chip shortage causing delays in millions of combustion engine cars just sitting around and causing record vehicle shortages and therefore record cost increases to purchase them is a coincidence as well??
Source? A quick Google search says Canada does not produce lithium according to the Canadian government website. Where exactly is this mine? Where does your wife work? This sounds very much like a fake Facebook post. Try again sir.
@@revmatchtv I don't have to try again. The name of the mining company is 92 resources and they have a mine in Northern Quebec that is currently in the exploration stage. There are many lithium mines in Canada, other than Quebec, there are areas in Northern Ontario as well as the North West Territories. None are in the mining stages but in exploration stages to find out their Return on Investment or have already done that part and are now target zoning where they find out where the richest deposits are and their ease of extraction to determine where they can get the biggest return in the shortest time so they can pay for their infrastructure investment as fast as possible to give their shareholders quicker returns. For gold mines, this process can take up to 5 years, depending on the size of the mine being claimed. My wife works for Probe Metals, an exploration company and the mine she is pulling samples from is in Val-D'or Quebec. The exploration company that is doing the work for the lithium mine north of Val-d'or is called Dahrouge Geological Consulting and they are out of Edmonton, Alberta, my home town. My wife was in the same Masters program as someone that works there and that is where she got her information from. He is not a part of the team on that project, but his colleague manages that team and even at those low yields at that expense to mine them, it is a profitable mine and those numbers are so shocking that they stick out like a sore thumb. The info started off as "even with these costs, you can still make money mining lithium" but then it got rolling and they started doing the math at how much lithium is required from EV batteries and the cost of mining it. Then it kept trickling down to the point of how much diesel is used to create 1 EV battery and that is where the numbers came from. It was not posted by anyone on the exploration team for that mine, but by another geologist from a different mining company that has nothing to do with the lithium mine, mainly because they did not want to put their job at risk. These numbers were out together by a handful of geologists that know each other that work with different mines or exploration companies in Northern Quebec. The guy who posted it on FB, Twitter and Instagram had his accounts shut down about a week after the post and likely before it was seen by many people since he did not have a large follower base. One of his followers is my wife's boss, who has known this guy for a long time through the industry and that is how my wife heard about it and told me. I own a shingle recycling company in Edmonton (Environmental Processors if you want to verify that) so I am not anti-recycling, but I do a lot of research in the recycling industry and a majority of what is shared in the media is simply not true. There are no polar ice caps issues, there is actually more ice in the Arctic now than there was 50 years ago. I don't need to get into that now but what they do in their comparison satellite images is use a summer image for current years and a winter image for past years and from summer to winter the ice will regress as much as 35% and that is what they use for their proof. I have been to recycling conferences across North America and there are many professional experts that once you talk to them outside of the conference they tell you about colleagues that lost research jobs in universities because they published studies that went against what is being pushed and their research is black marked along with their careers. Climate Change is the most profitable industry in the world and only the ultra rich and powerful can play in that sandbox. So there you go, that should be more than enough backup to support the info I shared, I don't post garbage, I post info I have personally vetted. Unfortunately, this info is not viral info and is on a very small scale with no press based on how quick it was shut down and the fear of those with the info of losing their job. It does not take a genius to realize that with lithium and cobalt being required for the EV revolution and the rarity of the mines, that it is very easy to track any info on social media and shut it down before it gets any traction. Believe me or don't, it doesn't bother me, other than the people who continue to just believe what they are told by large corporations, governments or media without doing research with an open mind. I have known that climate change is not to the extreme that the government wants you to believe it is but when you find out factual information like I was lucky enough to be close enough for a connection,.it really sheds some light on why governments are pushing so hard to EV's on an almost impossible adoption level and are doing absolutely nothing to help people who can't afford gas or food with the inflation when it would be very easy to do. The Conservative Alberta government removed the provincial tax on fuel in April, but no Federal government, Canadian or US, will even consider it, in fact Trudeau increased the carbon tax on fuel this spring after prices started to increase. The narrative is it isn't their fault and they can't do anything about it except that their limiting the use of natural resources production and refining for the past couple years and them ignoring European requests for Canada and the US to produce more oil so they don't have to be reliant on Russia when production could be easily increased and those billions in taxes would help pay for the government overspending but they completely ignore it. The Canadian and American governments caused this inflation and don't want to do anything about it because it benefits them. EV's are the future, but not for the better, it is the start of a path people are being forced down because of the government limiting freedom of choice and that will grow to infect every choice we make within 30 years. We are being told, if you don't want to pay high gas prices, buy a $50,000 EV, which most people can't afford, but gas prices will keep going up until it forces enough people to make that decision. Limit the supply, create the demand, increase the price until you can force them to do what you want. They have taken a basic economic principle and turned it into a government philosophy to gain power and control to feed their greed.
12,000 gallons of diesel at $6.00 at gallon is $72,000 US dollars, a new Tesla Model S battery say its $25,000 US dollars, so you're telling me, the Lithium plant is loosing $47,000 every battery?
@@SavageBunny1 my bad, it's liters, not gallons, Canadian mine. $1.85/liter CDN. A Tesla battery is $18k CDN. Keep in mind that Tesla is currently getting their lithium mostly from overseas at the moment. There are currently no operating lithium mines in Canada, they are all in the exploration stage and lithium is expected to increase in value as production of EV's increase and more batteries are required AMD more ethical lithium mining is available, current lithium mines overseas are very dirty. It is my understanding that this mine in Quebec has some of the highest quality lithium around and the thought is that they could dilute the litium reducing the volume required or create a new battery that is vehicle specific that uses a lot less lithium ams reduce in size. These numbers came from an explanation geologist that only had current volumes required to make EV batteries to make his calculations and doesn't have much info on how the quality changes required volumes for an EV battery as that isn't his specialty. I don't fully understand the exploration part, my wife has a Masters in petroleum exploration bit currently works in exploration at a gold mine since the Canadian government has neutered the oil industry. Even in gold mining, there is a wide variety of gold qualities throughout a mine and some are worth double per ounce as others. They go by grams per ton and can make money with as little as 3 grams per ton at a certain grade, she found some cores that contain over 600 grams a ton but she doesn't know the grade, as that is handled by a different department in testing. Her job is to find and test to find the volume per ton and a different department finds out the quality and develops a profitability map of the mine. This exploration geologist at this lithium mine likely took from a target spread, for gold it is 25,000 cubic meters and comes up with an average gram per ton ratio. Some are not good and some are loaded. My guess that this happens to be one of the lower volume areas, but it will still get mined. There could also be some areas where they can get enough lithium volume in a hot spot where they could make 10 batteries in a 24 hour shift. No matter how you look at it, there is an incredible amount of fuel being used to mine lithium batteries to the point where the carbon footprint to build batteries is not far off what is actually saved, yet for their plan to work, everyone needs to buy a $50k EV. There is so much being kept from the public that of all of that info was public knowledge, I doubt EV's would get the support they do from climate alarmists and they may protest against it
@@revmatchtv I have actually driven the Mach-E, my sister hit it big and got one of the very first ones here in Denmark. I just feel like EVs lack involvement. Like driving a bumper car. To each his own I guess...
It's expensive, but at least I paid no dealer markup and it's the most loaded Mach-E possible fwiw. Model Y is similarly priced. Car prices are generally getting ridiculous.
What I did I got a non California legal catalytic converter for $100 on ebay, I live in California, I took the original one off, ill throw it back in when I have to smog it, and do the same, take it back off. It actually work and I don't get a check engine light for a bad cat.
no matter how much u climb vertically. you descend the exact same amount when you return to the same point. descending with regenerating brakes puts the charge back into batteries. Mechanical, rolling and air friction costs you range. rather than tell us the range tell us the cost. i am in australia and the cost of electricity has doubled in the last 2 years with predictions that it will increase by another 50% over the next year. cleaner? yes, more expensive ?, yes. add to this the cost of having to replace the battery on EV after 5 years of average use, $20,000 for a tesla (only $2,000 for generic) no wonder the prick is so rich. that is his '' genius ''.
This is dumb. Every video that does ev conpsriosn, it's on a long distance road trip type of drive. People don't buy evs to travel the country. They buy them for city use. Any electric car will destroy any hybrid car in that aspect so these gas lovers have to make comparisons that don't reflect real life. I'll go on a road trip once a year, maybe.. while I drive within town every day. EV > Hybrid in that aspect. They both serve their purposes. There is no better or worse. Not to even mention that superchargers are expensive. 99.9% of the time we are charging at home which costs about a dollar a charge.
It also does not cover people that can't afford new cars and have to buy used. As a mechanic, I can buy a 5 year old car and drive it for another 20 years. The depreciation isn't correct on EV's they are worthless after 10 years when they need a new battery. There are just too many variables to determine if an EV is right for you. But the lies about them being greener is a joke. They might seem cheaper to run, but not when they cost 60,000. I won't risk buying a used EV, because the cost of new batteries is ridiculous. But, it seems like there's a good possibility that you can install gas engines into EV's, so, perhaps a 10 year old EV for free might make a good choice to convert.
@@COSMACELF1802 I agree that the green agenda is dumb and EVs aren’t gonna save the planet. Whoever buys EV for that reason is a globalist Karen that can’t use their brain and has their big daddy telling them what to do and how to think. What I don’t agree about is value on ice vs EV. EVs are expensive and NOT for everyone. You gotta have your own house, stage 2 charger, good credit to get an EV in the first place, be in a city with decent weather etc. it’s a lot of boxes to click, however living in a major city, a lot of us have those boxes checked. Yes I can get a 10k gas car and owe 50k less but in 6 years I’ll save 35k just in gas. That’s already 45k spent on a vehicle that’s a s - - - box. The whole time I could’ve had a a fast fun EV that’s full of tech and has 8 year warranty on battery and motors. So even if you spent ZERO on the ice vehicle in repairs, oil changes, etc… in those 6 years, I’ll still be only 15k from completely catching up with value. Your vehicle will keep spending gas and keep getting even older. You’re wrong when it comes to the value because our warranties are insane. Even if my car dies on the day that my warranty expires, I’ll already be even with a 10k older vehicle that I decided to keep, maintain and fill up for 8 years.
Well I guarantee you if I hook up an electric car to charge up at my house I would never be able to afford the electrical bill nobody just drives their car to work and back every day electric cars today are only meant for city driving if thatGo buy one of those electric cars in China they’ve got thousands of them parked in the field somewhere there electric scooters are on fire
So basically u put one of the worst electric cars against the one of the best fuel efficient car, gave the gas powered car all the advantages and apparently that’s totally fair….
We used the vehicles we personally own. What “advantages” did we give the Prius? We ran them on the same day on the same route at the same speed. We didn’t make this video knowing what the trip cost would be ahead of time.
@@revmatchtv By “advantage” I mean in normal circumstances u wouldn’t be traveling far distances and would mostly charge your electric vehicle at home any chance u got… If y’all did that obviously the gas vehicle would spend way more on gas than the electric. Not to mention one is a terribly inefficient electric car. I’m aware u can’t just go out and buy a more efficient one just for a video I’m just pointing out the gas vehicle had almost every advantage.
@@ever3625 You're right of course. I wouldn't describe that as an 'advantage', it's just a different scenario. People do take road trips though, especially in summer. As I pointed out later in the video, a car getting an average of about 25mpg would have been more expensive on the same 300 mile route.
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An interesting comparison, but with two completely different types of vehicles. A fair comparison would have been between a Nissan Leaf and the Prius, or the Mach E against a more premium brand compact to mid size CUV, like an Acura RDX or an Audi Q3... As such, this comparison really doesn't really do a fair comparison.
Well, we used the vehicles we own, but it definitely would be interesting to run it against a more premium SUV so there’s price parity.
@@revmatchtv one of the least efficient Electric vs one of the most efficient gas/hybrid cars was a horrible comparison to truly compare $$ difference
Cheapest way to go is a moped. Even at $7 a gallon, it still only costs like $2 to go 300 miles
Moped is indeed one of the cheapest ways to travel! Not practical or safe really in LA though.
Try bicycles lol
@@falcongamer58 try feet. Run like those tribes in africa.
@@Boomtendo4tw less efficient than traveling by bike
@@falcongamer58 costs no money tho
Except, you forgot to mention that when you get in a minor Fender Bender in an EV, and you damage the battery, the repair cost is gonna run you $10,000 to $30,000 because the battery pack is going to be destroyed and need to be replaced. Have fun with that.
Insurance
@@danieldanforth9625 Yes, insurance will cover it and very soon, the insurance premiums on EVs are going to be $1,000/month. High insurance rates for EVs are coming. Not to mention that when the general public becomes aware of these issues, depreciation of EV's is going to be massive. Have fun with all of that.
I am sorry, but that comparison makes absolute no sense. Picking a small economical hybrid to a Mach-e got (to the least efficient of all the Mach-e, and by far the most expensive) is like comparing apples to bicycles. Also, using a road trip as an example is a very bad measurement, unless you do road trip every second time a day.
EVs are far from perfect, but the numbers in this video are not serious at all. Luxury cars depreciates much faster then their cheaper counterparts. A better comparison would have been to compare a BMW x3 ICE against the Mach-e gt, and do a 2 month test consisting of 80% commute and 20% road trip. These numbers are more representative of the average American family, and would tell a completely different story.
Looking at your video, it seems that you had to fudge the experiment to get the results that you wanted. This isn’t how science works:)… maybe try again for real?
As an owner of two bulletproof Toyota Hybrids, the longevity and quality has been amazing. Probably will keep them forever. I also have an EV and love it. I use it for daily runs and trips within a 300 mile radius. I charge at home. Cost for maintenance is practically nil. I charge during non peak hours. It’s so nice driving past the Oil Company stations. I use my Highlander Hybrid for long distance travel 400 miles and more. Between minimal to zero emissions is also a good thing, having both technologies, is great. I think overall, the vicious monopolies of the oil companies must end. Bad comparison. Should’ve compared the Prius to a Bolt.
Just to ensure we are talking in today’s dollars:
Adjusted for inflation, $26,000 in 2016 for the Prius is equal to about $30,647 in 2022 with an annual inflation over this period at 2.78%.
Just so we have an idea…
Good point! There's a lot more math I could have done, but my goal was to keep it simple and show the big picture in a short video.
@@revmatchtv oh no worries…I was curious and shared lol.
They haven't gone up the same amount as inflation. You can still pick up a new Prius for $27k to $28k. Well under $30k
one big difference is the performace of each vehicle. While the prius is a gas saver it is also a slug on the road. The EV is a nice balance of efficiency and road eating performace runs
Dude the new Prius is super solid. And really not that slow. They pretty torquey!
@@Deadslowsupracompared to the Mach-e GT ITS A SLUG 🐌
Want about the Batteries replacement and cost for road maintains as EV are heavier
In California USA PG&E electric peak hour is around $ 0.50 KWH. :( For my Storm Sondors Metacycle. $2.00 for 60 t0 80 Range.
It varies by area. In LA with LADWP I pay around $0.20/kWh flat rate, plus solar helps offset it a lot.
Dude I ran my ev and got into tier 3. I’ve never paid so much for electricity, since I drive like 150 a day on average
I'm not understanding how can they do this comparison. This is not electric vs gas it's electric vs hybrid
Thanks for the average fuel cost of an average car of $10,000. That's the number I was looking for as I have 3 gas vehicles in that range.
Okay, so how nonsensical was this video. You take an ev that costs more than twice the price of the hybrid and then try to compare operating costs...WHO CARES!!! The hybrid owner could be spending his money on gas, hookers, and booz and still save more than the ev owner. Moreover, who in the hell compares vehicles by taking a road trip? Are you constantly road tripping? I guess I'm in the minority that actually sleeps in his own bed most of the time.
You also need to measure convenience and time. How much time did you spend on the road charging compared to fueling?
Charging time was 40 minutes for this 300 mile road trip. I would have stopped that long anyway. Longer trips, it's going to add some time for sure.
This is exactly the reason I bought a PHEV (escape), so I can charge at home for daily errands and use hybrid gas engine (35mpg) on long road trips. You should do similar comparison for escape phev vs mach e ?
I have a Mach E vs Lexus NX 450h+ coming
My time is more valuable than any fuel cost savings, and the constant range anxiety kills it for me. I’d rather just have a cheap small petrol car with a manual transmission that does 45mpg.
How long did it take for you to charge the EV at the station?
Line up the Prius and the Mustang for a 1/4 mile. If you did a road trip with a gas 5.0 litre Mustang and a Mach E, there is no doubt the Mach E would cost substantially less to refuel.
Here is the issue with any comparison. As of Jan 2024, the average cost of an EV, is 53k. This is marginally lower than it has been, but the average person cannot afford this, much less people living in the lower middle, or lower class. This also does not address the range of EVs, the drain on the grid (if the percentage of ownership of EVs goes up), the cost of upgrading electrical service (for those that plan to charge at home), & for travelling, EV owners need to concern themselves with the weight (significantly heavier than the average car). Given the weight, this is a factor for frequent recharge time.
This is refreshing type of content from your channel
Trying new video styles
If you plan on keeping either of them two vehicles... you do realize as they get older the batteries lose the ability to take a full charge, the distance you can travel is going to reduce considerably and take just as long ( if not longer) to recharge.
So, let's consider how long hybrid and ev battery will last and the price to replace the battery. I know generally the hybrid batteries run around $10-$15k for the battery, not including the cost to have it replaced.
I'm not sure of the cost of an EV battery. I'm sure the costs can vary a lot, but I know it's going be at least twice as much as hybrids.
I work on cars for a living and have replaced three hybrid batteries in my career so far The age and milage of the vehicles have varied quite a bit. The last one I replaced was only like 6 years old and had about 120k if I remember right. I want to say it cost nearly $15k ( I'm in Missouri so that price is probably cheaper than on the coasts)
Other two hybrids were older and had in the 200k miles area.... a bit cheaper but not by much.
I am curious as the longevity of full EV batteries as they haven't been really been as common up until the last 10 years.
Would have prefered to see an suv in the same dimmensions against the mchE. An escape or a crv or maybe an rx350.
I just filmed the NX450h on the same route =)
you dont maintain EV often
but when you do
it will cost you your life
Ford lists the price of a replacement battery for a 2021 Mustang Mach-E at over $20,000
MarchE gets approximately 307mile/(134kw/33.7) =77.3 mpeg. Other EV might improve a bit, but what if gas price drops to 4$. Prius kills every EV in fuel cost.
You guys should take into consideration the time value of money. The EV in this video has more front-loaded cost which is weighted far more heavily than back-loaded costs.
Definitely
great video tho i still lean more towards the Gas cars now. your mention of lower MPG cars at the end was nice but thats a supra and a bronco. how about some of the most sold cars in america like a civic and a rav4. you can snag a civic, as an example, for 23k-ish and get 40+mpg highway. insurance is cheap, ownership is cheap and wont depreciate nearly as hard as the prius or any elec vehicle. i understand generally EVs maintenance will be low but eventually that battery will go and that wont be cheap, not to mention the degradation of the batteries as you charge them over and over. i personally dont see EVs beating the everyday person's gas car. especially in states where gas isnt 5.70. gas in Massachusetts is around 4.80
Nationwide average MPG is around 23-25 due to the high volume of truck sales so that's why I used that number.
Wow you guys really tipped the scales to the Gas argument. You even used the most efficient hybrid for the "gas" powered car lol.
Did they include the price of installation of a charger at their home
Great video! It would be admittedly a closer comparison between, say, a plug in RAV4 vs Hybrid RAV4, but you covered all the data bases nicely.
In my head I've always thought that EVs make for great city cars, and hybrids/gas are better for longer distances (at least for right now), and this seems to back that up.
I like what Jay Leno says. EVs for commuting, gas cars for weekend fun.
Analysis of cost of fuel has to be based on the cost of gasoline less the federal and state highway and excise taxes. Somebody has to pay for the road and upkeep of the infrastructure.
Pls compare full hybrid vs plug in hybrid
If we all get EVs we can crater the national power grid so we all get to walk or ride bikes. And that's great exercise and very efficient. BTW great video really enjoyed it.
It's gonna be a very rocky next 15 years.
IDK where u get your electricity rates but they aint no 15-20 cents at home in Monterey County
Los Angeles. $0.20/kWh
@@revmatchtv Is 20 cents your supply charge? Divide your monthly electric bill by the kWh used and I’m pretty sure it’s going to be at least 30 cents.
@@jameswitte5676 The utility is billing $0.195/kWh I can see exactly how much the vehicle uses both from the car and via my charger. Yes, there are taxes, but they are not nearly 1/2 of the base rate.
@@revmatchtv In New York State there is a supply and service charge per kWh. Together they’re over 30 cents per kWh here.
You should also consider the price of home charge installation.
It’s free. When I got my first eV in 2029 I got $1000 rebate from Edison so i put that towards an electrician to install a 240V at home.
Its about $500 or more from the average I've seen.
Interesting real-world, direct-experience comparison, thanks. Nevertheless, arguably, it’s an apples-to-cherries comparison. Speaking as a 2017 Prius Prime driver, the Prius is a considerably smaller and lower-performance car than the Mach-E GT. (Although, yes, the 2024 Prius is considerably more powerful than previous years.)
A possibly-more-useful comparison to the Prius, but still roughly along similar lines, might be the Tesla Model Y, since it’s a much more efficient car. On electric, my Prius Prime gets about 4.5 miles/KWh, and the Model Y gets close to 4, whereas the Mach-E GT is closer to the 2.5 to 3 miles/KWh range. But again, it’s a much-roomier and more-powerful car.
This competition was made for the Prius😅! It makes the frugal person in my want to buy a hybrid Prius! Too bad I need a 3 rows car for my family.
Love the Hello Road mashup -- Algorithm found this for me and was super excited to see Ethan show up in your video.
Glad you liked it!
Great one
Thank you
$42,000 Dollars in Depreciation is Insane! Better to just buy it when it depreciates.
What if electricity is 68 cents per kwh?
I plug into the Sun with my EV.
I have solar as well.
What car do you have
what about your time 4hours each charge
Very good video. Thanks :)
Two reasons why I have not bought an EV yet-
1. EV technology is still new. Toyota is "hoping" for a 900 mile solid state battery in the next 2-5 years. When this happens, all current EV's will take a major value drop. Laterally no one will buy a 300 mi. range EV, unless they are dirt cheap. There goes all the savings made with any current EV. Such is the nature of being an early adopter.
2. Chargers are not everywhere. Take a trip from So. Cal to say Carlsbad Caverns in NM. This is a place I've wanted to go back to since I was a kid. I don't think any EV can do the trip. I don't want the extra headache of calculating where my next charge will be, or if I can actually go to the place I want to go.
Great road test. Would like to see the Prius vs Honda Clarity PHEV in the same road trip. Thank you for a great video. 👍
The Clarity has been discontinued. 2021 was the last year for it :/
@@revmatchtv this video used a 2016 Prius. Should be no problem to use a 2021 Clarity.
should have included how long did it take to Car the EV. vs a 5 minute stop for GAS.
Charging at home is irrelevant because you can do other things. Charging on the road - anywhere from 15-40 minutes depending on how much you charge. EVs are not even close to competitive in terms of time spent fueling up on the road.
1. EVs depreciate more than gas/diesels.
2. The EV has equally if not more suspension & chassi components in the most cases & electrical components that should be serviced and maintained.
Overall the service cost should not be in the EV favor and the depreciation should be greater.
Entertaining video but no surprises. You compared a super efficient light hybrid car to an inefficient SUV EV. Why not the mustang vs an ICE BMW X5. Or the Prius vs a Tesla Model 3? That seems like a better comparison for folks considering ICE vs EV
I got a 2013 Prius I got for $2,000 dollars less than 2 years ago with bad batteries, rebuilt the battery pack for $300 bucks, I haven't driven Range Rover, E46 M3, S54 swapped E46 sedan anymore, gas is $6.79 here in San Diego, I laugh at people that use to laughter at me driving a Prius.
Dang that's cheap!
something tells me hybrids would be even better for both upfront cost and total cost to operate? the tech gets better and one could have both option of topping up a fuel tank or leave it to charge if time isn't as issue (eg : overnight when one sleeps)
I think we'll see a wave of plug in hybrids next. Toyota has a lot of these on the way, and I think we'll see some from others too.
Hybrids aren't very reliable compared to Petrol or electric tho
Hybrids are like red mages. Not particularly good at any one thing but can use debuffs.....well except for the last part
Do a cold winter comparison. Debunk all the dead EV across the north this winter.
Great informative video, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
How long was your accumulated wait time for charging? Not exactly efficient for people that drive more miles for their job if they have to charge during the day.
About 40 minutes charge time.
@@revmatchtv thx, I had no clue. Not looking forward to when you have 3 people in line in front of you when you need to charge up. Considering about half of vehicles are owned by people in multi-family homes where you can't install private chargers and 25% of home owners dont own a garage to safely house their own charger, those days of waiting hours to charge your car publicly are closer than we think
But if you can install a home charger, then you spend less time fueling than an ICE, since you just plug in when you get home and never need to go to a gas station.
@@anonymousfu true, but I regularly travel 600-800 km (500 miles) in a day for work and personal which means I have to put in a couple hours of unpaid overtime to do my job waiting for a charge and of I say over at a hotel, I have to find another one at the end of the Dav or get up extra early on the morning to charge instead of a 5 min full up. Twice a year I do trips of 1400 miles each way and I can drive that in 2 days currently. Take an extra hour or two for a charger half way and then finding one at the end of a 12 hour driving day adds a 3rd day to that trip.
Everything comes down to charging time and finding a charger. Good luck in some areas where the power grid can't handle the A/C for hot days and then everyone with Ice vehicles can't do anything.
Loving in Canada the range is half or less during the winter, which create a bunch of other issue.
I know eventually the infrastructure will be in place but implementing targets of EV's amf ignoring infrastructure is a very dangerous plan.
I know of 4 people that sold their ICE vehicles within 12-18 months because they could not manage the charging part, even with at home chargers. Again, living in most areas of Canada we drive significantly longer distances on average because we have such a low population density.
Thanks for sharing.
Compare it with the Prius Prime. It will likely crash anything on the road.
Tires also wears out quicker with a ev
You just ruined my day :( I got the identical twin Mach-E GT as yours yesterday and I drive from LA to Lancaster and back (half of your trip on same freeways) almost daily... In all seriousness, as always, great video. Thank you.
Same route! I find going uphill from LA I see about 1.9mi/Kwh driving 70-75ish. Back down it's over 3.
@@revmatchtv sounds about right
start with price
e-mach is 55k dollars
priius is 25k dollars
so far you saved 30k dollars *case closed*🤣 THAT IS 12 YEARS WORTH OF GAS
Bingo! Price and features between these two vehicles is incomparable. It’s like comparing a car to a bicycle.
As they say time is money. You should add the cost of a person’s time while charging the EV vs. filling up with gas
Charging time was 40 minutes for this 300 mile road trip. I would have stopped that long anyway. Longer trips, it's going to add some time for sure.
@@revmatchtv fair comment, for me though I like to get from Pt. A to Pt. B the quickest! Legally speaking! 😃
@@chucky6282 Charging at home though is pretty convenient!
I appreciate the effort but the two vehicles are poor representation of the typical. Thx. None the less
The most shocking part of this video is the 45MPG for the Prius. That is absolutely abysmal for a 4th gen Prius. I can almost get that with a non-hybrid Corolla. What gives? Lol
It was the route. Tremendous elevation changes, high average speed, no stop and go, and high winds. Our Prius has averaged 56mpg over the life of the vehicle (70k miles)
It was actually close to 19,000 ft elevation changes. I underestimated at the beginning of the video.
lets do a test. worst EV vs best gas car. Seems legit
What about your brakes and tyres?????????????$$$$$$$$$$$
Depreciation calculation for EV is way off....more like 60% not 38 as calculated. And 60% at 3 years unless it's a Tesla with holds value much better.
I calculated it based on data available when I made the video. The market was in a crazy moment at the time.
EVs have 40% less parts, pricing will continue to come down as manufacturers learn. Electricity is produced locally so it’s not impacted by wars in Middle East… and almost every utility company in the US is owned by US.. and most utility rates are controlled.. you can’t say this about oil..
Buy a fwd Hyundai ionic, 90% short commutes, charging at home, even the Prius is no contest. You pretty much have best HEV vs worst EV.
Indeed. That's why I mentioned it at the beginning of the video. I thought the Mach-E would win on the 300 mile route, but the result was a surprise.
The Hyndai is $40k, lol
These videos are not taking into the account that land owners with public chargers are charging you to park while charging. How does $32 to park and $6 to charge.when your dead you have to pay.
Great analysis of differences in apples and oranges. No Mach-E buyer would ever see the number difference and say "well guess I'll buy a prius now" or vice-versa.
I have a better comparison I just shot with a $60K hybrid SUV vs the Mach-E. The Prius and Mach-E are our personal vehicles.
09:09 what's he doing? Pretending?😃
Devel 16 update?
Not this video
Sorry but with such a big difference in purchasing costs even a $0 ev fuel cost, the hybrid is cheaper. So makes the insurance, fuel etc pointless to count.
I'm doing another with a Lexus NX450h which is about the same purchase cost and class. Should be a better comparo.
Is it cheaper if we walk 😂
It doesnt help when electric cars are being all luxury and only rich can get them
I'm tired of Car electric running out of time short. And car gas slow save time.
You forget that the chargething take time. In a long trip, you will always get there as the looser.
So the title was basically BS. It's EV vs Hybrid
Hybrid uses a gas motor
What about buying the EV in the first place? The cost of an EV is substantially more than combustion
FYI, a lithium plant in Canada uses 12,000 litres of diesel for their giant 250 ton dump trucks to mine enough lithium to create 1 battery for an EV car. The life span of that battery will never save the amount of fuel it takes to mine it, much less all the other costs involved.
Those dump trucks will never be able to run on electricity because with today's technology, they could not even complete one load with 3 dozen of the biggest EV batteries, which would take a minimum of 6 hours to charge. Experts say that within 10 years that distance would double but would still require 14 EV trucks to do the job of 1 diesel truck in a 24 hours period and that is very inefficient and cost prohibited causing lithium prices to increase at least 10 times, making EV prices skyrocket.
These calculations were done by an account at that lithium mine and was scrubbed from social media and nothing can be found online anymore as it was all flagged as fake news.
My wife is a geologist at a gold mine not far from the lithium mine, but stays in the same city and that news travels pretty fast as geologists are in a pretty tight community.
Governments will do anything to keep this from becoming public and is one of the reasons Trudeau is trying to pass an internet restriction law to filter out what the government thinks is offensive or fake news. Bill C-11 was forced through Parliament 2 weeks ago after the Liberals developed a partnership with the NDP earlier that would see the NDP support every bill the Liberals presented giving the minority voted government majority voting power. It will become law when it goes through the Senate and not only will we never hear the truth on climate change and EV's, but also everything else. Those in the US should also worry as Biden is planning the same thing. They are using the hot topic of racism and inclusiveness to gain the censorship control, not for the reasons they say, but to better control available information that conflicts with every decision the government makes.
Sorry, that was a tangent, but everything with EV's and climate change has been the starting point for this type of government control. Rising fuel costs, inflation, Russia/Ukraine war, pipeline and refinery cancellations have all conveniently happened within a 24 month period to create a perfect storm to force people to spend their money in a certain way that the government can then dictate.
In 30-50 years, history will show that climate change triggered the forced implementation on EV's that started the control of where the government wanted people to spend their money and therefore have complete control over the general economy. It is all about greed and power since of you control where people spend their money, you and your billionaire friends have the money to invest in future economy directions because they have the money and we normal people can barely afford to buy food or gas, much less invest for retirement, resulting in seniors relying on the government to support them.
This is the Build Back Better, World Economic Forum plan and we are seeing the first physical implementation of it through forced EV purchases.
You also don't think the chip shortage causing delays in millions of combustion engine cars just sitting around and causing record vehicle shortages and therefore record cost increases to purchase them is a coincidence as well??
Source? A quick Google search says Canada does not produce lithium according to the Canadian government website. Where exactly is this mine? Where does your wife work? This sounds very much like a fake Facebook post. Try again sir.
@@revmatchtv I don't have to try again. The name of the mining company is 92 resources and they have a mine in Northern Quebec that is currently in the exploration stage. There are many lithium mines in Canada, other than Quebec, there are areas in Northern Ontario as well as the North West Territories. None are in the mining stages but in exploration stages to find out their Return on Investment or have already done that part and are now target zoning where they find out where the richest deposits are and their ease of extraction to determine where they can get the biggest return in the shortest time so they can pay for their infrastructure investment as fast as possible to give their shareholders quicker returns.
For gold mines, this process can take up to 5 years, depending on the size of the mine being claimed. My wife works for Probe Metals, an exploration company and the mine she is pulling samples from is in Val-D'or Quebec.
The exploration company that is doing the work for the lithium mine north of Val-d'or is called Dahrouge Geological Consulting and they are out of Edmonton, Alberta, my home town. My wife was in the same Masters program as someone that works there and that is where she got her information from. He is not a part of the team on that project, but his colleague manages that team and even at those low yields at that expense to mine them, it is a profitable mine and those numbers are so shocking that they stick out like a sore thumb. The info started off as "even with these costs, you can still make money mining lithium" but then it got rolling and they started doing the math at how much lithium is required from EV batteries and the cost of mining it. Then it kept trickling down to the point of how much diesel is used to create 1 EV battery and that is where the numbers came from. It was not posted by anyone on the exploration team for that mine, but by another geologist from a different mining company that has nothing to do with the lithium mine, mainly because they did not want to put their job at risk. These numbers were out together by a handful of geologists that know each other that work with different mines or exploration companies in Northern Quebec. The guy who posted it on FB, Twitter and Instagram had his accounts shut down about a week after the post and likely before it was seen by many people since he did not have a large follower base. One of his followers is my wife's boss, who has known this guy for a long time through the industry and that is how my wife heard about it and told me.
I own a shingle recycling company in Edmonton (Environmental Processors if you want to verify that) so I am not anti-recycling, but I do a lot of research in the recycling industry and a majority of what is shared in the media is simply not true. There are no polar ice caps issues, there is actually more ice in the Arctic now than there was 50 years ago. I don't need to get into that now but what they do in their comparison satellite images is use a summer image for current years and a winter image for past years and from summer to winter the ice will regress as much as 35% and that is what they use for their proof. I have been to recycling conferences across North America and there are many professional experts that once you talk to them outside of the conference they tell you about colleagues that lost research jobs in universities because they published studies that went against what is being pushed and their research is black marked along with their careers. Climate Change is the most profitable industry in the world and only the ultra rich and powerful can play in that sandbox.
So there you go, that should be more than enough backup to support the info I shared, I don't post garbage, I post info I have personally vetted. Unfortunately, this info is not viral info and is on a very small scale with no press based on how quick it was shut down and the fear of those with the info of losing their job. It does not take a genius to realize that with lithium and cobalt being required for the EV revolution and the rarity of the mines, that it is very easy to track any info on social media and shut it down before it gets any traction.
Believe me or don't, it doesn't bother me, other than the people who continue to just believe what they are told by large corporations, governments or media without doing research with an open mind. I have known that climate change is not to the extreme that the government wants you to believe it is but when you find out factual information like I was lucky enough to be close enough for a connection,.it really sheds some light on why governments are pushing so hard to EV's on an almost impossible adoption level and are doing absolutely nothing to help people who can't afford gas or food with the inflation when it would be very easy to do. The Conservative Alberta government removed the provincial tax on fuel in April, but no Federal government, Canadian or US, will even consider it, in fact Trudeau increased the carbon tax on fuel this spring after prices started to increase. The narrative is it isn't their fault and they can't do anything about it except that their limiting the use of natural resources production and refining for the past couple years and them ignoring European requests for Canada and the US to produce more oil so they don't have to be reliant on Russia when production could be easily increased and those billions in taxes would help pay for the government overspending but they completely ignore it. The Canadian and American governments caused this inflation and don't want to do anything about it because it benefits them.
EV's are the future, but not for the better, it is the start of a path people are being forced down because of the government limiting freedom of choice and that will grow to infect every choice we make within 30 years. We are being told, if you don't want to pay high gas prices, buy a $50,000 EV, which most people can't afford, but gas prices will keep going up until it forces enough people to make that decision.
Limit the supply, create the demand, increase the price until you can force them to do what you want. They have taken a basic economic principle and turned it into a government philosophy to gain power and control to feed their greed.
12,000 gallons of diesel at $6.00 at gallon is $72,000 US dollars, a new Tesla Model S battery say its $25,000 US dollars, so you're telling me, the Lithium plant is loosing $47,000 every battery?
@@SavageBunny1 my bad, it's liters, not gallons, Canadian mine. $1.85/liter CDN. A Tesla battery is $18k CDN.
Keep in mind that Tesla is currently getting their lithium mostly from overseas at the moment. There are currently no operating lithium mines in Canada, they are all in the exploration stage and lithium is expected to increase in value as production of EV's increase and more batteries are required AMD more ethical lithium mining is available, current lithium mines overseas are very dirty.
It is my understanding that this mine in Quebec has some of the highest quality lithium around and the thought is that they could dilute the litium reducing the volume required or create a new battery that is vehicle specific that uses a lot less lithium ams reduce in size. These numbers came from an explanation geologist that only had current volumes required to make EV batteries to make his calculations and doesn't have much info on how the quality changes required volumes for an EV battery as that isn't his specialty.
I don't fully understand the exploration part, my wife has a Masters in petroleum exploration bit currently works in exploration at a gold mine since the Canadian government has neutered the oil industry. Even in gold mining, there is a wide variety of gold qualities throughout a mine and some are worth double per ounce as others. They go by grams per ton and can make money with as little as 3 grams per ton at a certain grade, she found some cores that contain over 600 grams a ton but she doesn't know the grade, as that is handled by a different department in testing. Her job is to find and test to find the volume per ton and a different department finds out the quality and develops a profitability map of the mine. This exploration geologist at this lithium mine likely took from a target spread, for gold it is 25,000 cubic meters and comes up with an average gram per ton ratio. Some are not good and some are loaded. My guess that this happens to be one of the lower volume areas, but it will still get mined. There could also be some areas where they can get enough lithium volume in a hot spot where they could make 10 batteries in a 24 hour shift.
No matter how you look at it, there is an incredible amount of fuel being used to mine lithium batteries to the point where the carbon footprint to build batteries is not far off what is actually saved, yet for their plan to work, everyone needs to buy a $50k EV. There is so much being kept from the public that of all of that info was public knowledge, I doubt EV's would get the support they do from climate alarmists and they may protest against it
Sounds like Shane works for the oil companies. Lol
Talk about apples and oranges -what an odd comparison
Driving an elecrtrical vehicle also costs you your will to live.
I have my 500hp Supra too. However, the Mach-E is very entertaining to drive too if I'm honest.
@@revmatchtv I have actually driven the Mach-E, my sister hit it big and got one of the very first ones here in Denmark. I just feel like EVs lack involvement. Like driving a bumper car.
To each his own I guess...
Why on earth would you compare a hybrid to an EV. What a waste of time
theyre comparing a teenager car to a retirement car
Which is which?
EV junks can't beat the value of any toyota prius, camry and lexus which can last 500k miles !
Terrible comparison. Compare the Ford Taurus and Ford Mach E. That is a better comparison.
Buying an electric mustang is missing the point of buying a mustang
SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS for the "mustang"... that is ridiculous...
It's expensive, but at least I paid no dealer markup and it's the most loaded Mach-E possible fwiw. Model Y is similarly priced. Car prices are generally getting ridiculous.
Yep, never pay 70k for a Ford.
Prius costs $5k every time someone steals your catalytic converter
That's why you put bags on your Prius ;)
What I did I got a non California legal catalytic converter for $100 on ebay, I live in California, I took the original one off, ill throw it back in when I have to smog it, and do the same, take it back off. It actually work and I don't get a check engine light for a bad cat.
@@SavageBunny1 Interesting strategy
Isnt it proven that electric cars are just as expensive if not more then gas cars lmao?
That depends mostly on the purchase price. If you watch this video, you can see that operating costs are usually a lot lower for EVs.
4:37
no matter how much u climb vertically. you descend the exact same amount when you return to the same point. descending with regenerating brakes puts the charge back into batteries. Mechanical, rolling and air friction costs you range.
rather than tell us the range tell us the cost. i am in australia and the cost of electricity has doubled in the last 2 years with predictions that it will increase by another 50% over the next year.
cleaner? yes, more expensive ?, yes.
add to this the cost of having to replace the battery on EV after 5 years of average use, $20,000 for a tesla (only $2,000 for generic) no wonder the prick is so rich. that is his '' genius ''.
Poor comparison
which cars should I compare instead?
@@revmatchtv
Cars that are comparable. Silly.😆🤭
Nonsense comparison 👎
This is an apples to oranges comparison you compare an CUV to a econobox sized car?
I have another comparo coming up with a $60K Lexus PHEV.
Biden
The latest Tesla model is called a CKK, standing for Congo Kid Killer.
Is good to have something new but WHY NO ONE is talking about how much is goin cost the driver after he pass 70 mileage on the battery ($25.000) .
Not a fair comparison. Should compare with Nissan leaf
We compared what we own. I have more comparisions coming up though!
Its not a real mustang its an abomination
That's not counting Tires, EV EAT TIRES! All that extra weight!
This is dumb. Every video that does ev conpsriosn, it's on a long distance road trip type of drive. People don't buy evs to travel the country. They buy them for city use. Any electric car will destroy any hybrid car in that aspect so these gas lovers have to make comparisons that don't reflect real life. I'll go on a road trip once a year, maybe.. while I drive within town every day. EV > Hybrid in that aspect. They both serve their purposes. There is no better or worse. Not to even mention that superchargers are expensive. 99.9% of the time we are charging at home which costs about a dollar a charge.
It also does not cover people that can't afford new cars and have to buy used. As a mechanic, I can buy a 5 year old car and drive it for another 20 years. The depreciation isn't correct on EV's they are worthless after 10 years when they need a new battery. There are just too many variables to determine if an EV is right for you. But the lies about them being greener is a joke. They might seem cheaper to run, but not when they cost 60,000. I won't risk buying a used EV, because the cost of new batteries is ridiculous. But, it seems like there's a good possibility that you can install gas engines into EV's, so, perhaps a 10 year old EV for free might make a good choice to convert.
@@COSMACELF1802 I agree that the green agenda is dumb and EVs aren’t gonna save the planet. Whoever buys EV for that reason is a globalist Karen that can’t use their brain and has their big daddy telling them what to do and how to think. What I don’t agree about is value on ice vs EV. EVs are expensive and NOT for everyone. You gotta have your own house, stage 2 charger, good credit to get an EV in the first place, be in a city with decent weather etc. it’s a lot of boxes to click, however living in a major city, a lot of us have those boxes checked. Yes I can get a 10k gas car and owe 50k less but in 6 years I’ll save 35k just in gas. That’s already 45k spent on a vehicle that’s a s - - - box. The whole time I could’ve had a a fast fun EV that’s full of tech and has 8 year warranty on battery and motors. So even if you spent ZERO on the ice vehicle in repairs, oil changes, etc… in those 6 years, I’ll still be only 15k from completely catching up with value. Your vehicle will keep spending gas and keep getting even older. You’re wrong when it comes to the value because our warranties are insane. Even if my car dies on the day that my warranty expires, I’ll already be even with a 10k older vehicle that I decided to keep, maintain and fill up for 8 years.
Well I guarantee you if I hook up an electric car to charge up at my house I would never be able to afford the electrical bill nobody just drives their car to work and back every day electric cars today are only meant for city driving if thatGo buy one of those electric cars in China they’ve got thousands of them parked in the field somewhere there electric scooters are on fire
So basically u put one of the worst electric cars against the one of the best fuel efficient car, gave the gas powered car all the advantages and apparently that’s totally fair….
We used the vehicles we personally own. What “advantages” did we give the Prius? We ran them on the same day on the same route at the same speed. We didn’t make this video knowing what the trip cost would be ahead of time.
@@revmatchtv By “advantage” I mean in normal circumstances u wouldn’t be traveling far distances and would mostly charge your electric vehicle at home any chance u got… If y’all did that obviously the gas vehicle would spend way more on gas than the electric. Not to mention one is a terribly inefficient electric car. I’m aware u can’t just go out and buy a more efficient one just for a video I’m just pointing out the gas vehicle had almost every advantage.
@@ever3625 You're right of course. I wouldn't describe that as an 'advantage', it's just a different scenario. People do take road trips though, especially in summer. As I pointed out later in the video, a car getting an average of about 25mpg would have been more expensive on the same 300 mile route.