I think a major problem is people who think they can come in and change someone to their liking. I've left many situations when the requirements were made clear. I was honest enough to admit I couldn't do it and so I bowed out and I think that's only fair. Trying to force people into a mold that you're comfortable with is one of the most selfish, self-centered things you can do to someone. Go find your person, someone that's already who you want them to be. Remember, that person was a whole person before you met them with a long history of family, other loves, etc. You're not so special that you can come in with a recking ball just because you want what you want.
What a lovely conversation! And what an intelligent young woman! May God use her to build His Kingdom and bring glory to Him. Regarding Tammy, just as Jordan has become a mentor to many young men, I can see Tammy becoming a mentor to many young women. Thank you, Tammy!
another awesome talk. thank you Tammy for all you do and all you bring to topic. I know some of these topics are tough for men to talk about. maybe not so tough to talk about but to be listened to seems sometimes impossible. keep doing what you're doing. we all need you. ❤️👍
New subscriber but longtime fan of the Peterson family’s work. I just want to say thank you for making this podcast and discussing these issues. As a young woman these days, it can feel very isolating if you’re of the “other” opinion. So it’s refreshing to hear women have intelligent, engaging, and meaningful conversations about the social (and spiritual) problems that plague our culture. You’re elevating womankind when you do- in my humble opinion. Keep up the hard work. You and your family are always in my prayers. And thank you again ❤
Thanks for contributing your knowledge and perspectives Mrs. Peterson! Very valuable, will help bring some balanced conversations to this aggravated west. Please continue! Glad your doing well, God Bless!❤️
I'm barely 5 minutes in, and have never really listened to (or seen) Tammy in action before... All I can say is wow! Spouses, particularly God-fearing spouses REALLY do become "one flesh"! Tammy - and I know you'll take this in the spirit with which it is meant... You really are Jordan's better half! And he is also, legitimately, *your* better half! You are each so beautiful!
Dear Analisa, I am heart glad to read that you aspire to bring what you are learning to the publishing industry. I am trying to find a literary agent just now and there is such a need for Christian agents, editors, and writers. I am not sure if I will find a home, as a conservative Christian science fiction writer who is writing her faith into her books, but knowing that you are coming along gives me hope.
A warm, gracious, honest conversation, expansive and thoughtful concerning history, the Bible and our hope. Thank you both! ( I much appreciate solid, respectful inter-generational discussions, enquiring together minus agendas, so refreshing and constructive).
I do not think that either sex should "dominate." Domination has a very negative connotation to it. I believe that we should strive to understand one another and show empathy toward others and to their unique struggles, either as a man or a woman, and also as an individual. If everyone tried to show more empathy and compassion to one another, instead of desiring to dominate others, I think the world would be a better place. Both men and women are needed for the functioning of society.
Tammy’s voice itself could heal a generation! I’ve been anti pill for years, would never insist my partner uses it. Made me make much better mating and life decisions. But there are not many women fitting the standard of sexual responsibility.
As a newly-wed - 40 years ago - was myself taking it for few months, but then increasingly came under the conviction that I was doing something wrong. Without any human person talking to me about this, it was the Holy Spirit convicting me, I believe, since I was earnestly seeking God's will.
It's not that there's a failure by men .. it gets soooooo tiring to yet again be at fault. Look, we have biased media, social views, memes, court and family systems to deal with. And we've realised it's dangerous. There's no failure by men. There IS a failure by the other groups I mentioned though .. and men are not putting ourselves in harm's way. Yet again we're shamed. One day the rest may realize why weve stepped away .. its NOT because of a failure of men. Its actually a success of men to finally step up and say 'no more'. I'm 57, was married, lost everything, blamed, hated by my children, had to survive homelessness 3 times and recover financially and much more, and I have a Masters in Educational Leadership, a BEd and a BA. There is NO failure of men, there is a failure against men. We gave it, it was abused, and we stepped back .. and we stay back until things change where it's safe enough for us to take our rightful and necessary place again.
Feminism only has its current place in the world because men chose to not do anything about it. Same thing with the saying "..evil persists because good men stand back and don't do anything.."
@ChainMail "evil persists because good men stand back and don't do anything" that language in an of itself says it's solely up to men to stop evil. It's 2023, equality yada yada, maybe good women should step up yeah?
@@jimmydavo249 People expect men to do everything. People are really ok with women sitting back and doing quite literally nothing. Which is fine, but then they wanna demand to be "taken seriously" and considered "equal". That's some nonsense if you ask me. People want women to be the passenger princesses of life, but want them to be respected like they are the driver.
Thank you so much Tammy for doing really insightful interviews. I'm a married Man who has been quietly watching Jordan since he first uploaded his RUclips channel. ( Discovered it by luck.) As a married Man, devoted husband and father, ( Plumber) I can say that there are a silent army of men who watch this kind of content and are hungry for it. This idea of the feminine as a force of nature like the virgin Mary is fascinating. I am curious on your thoughts about birth control, the dishwasher, the drier, video games, and the washing machine. My wife and I do alot of physical tasks as a team around the house, ( like yard work) and she stays home while I work, and I wonder what you think, about the relationship between marriage and inventions that make simple our daily roles? I have pondered this since the day I started watching Dr Petersons content and reading his book. Thank you so much for everything you are doing! I know many really appreciate it.
51:54 I have an IUD and I guess I don't know everything it is doing, but I kind of like some of the things. I have periods so light that that it's basically some light spotting. It's does feel presumptuous to be of child bearing age and say, "I have four kids and I think I'm done." But I do. I'm kind of a weird kind of woman. I have been more thing oriented and have never really fit in with other women. I really like you all exploring this.
The IUD makes the uterus uninhabitable for implantation; it does not prevent one's eggs from being fertilized, and therefore in reality it is a form of abortion. In fact, most contraceptives works this way - additionally to suppressing ovulation. If you are interested, Becket Cook recently interviewed a female pro-life gynecologist who explains this and other issues related to female reproductive health very well.
women are succeeding in a dying game. young men are ahead of the curve - dropping out of college seems like a bad thing on the surface of it but in reality they are responding to reality whether they know it or not. degrees have less and less value over time and practical skills and trades are only going to get more important. i dont believe our current economic model can survive much longer, and sooo much of western populations are doing total non-jobs in marketing and so on. i believe women are over-represented in them and are gonna be first to be let go. my ex girlfriend did such a non-job. she was a "writer" for a travel blog. she spent hours and hours "researching" a hotel and writing all this jargon about it and the supposed benefits to the customer etc... it was all stuff that an AI will be able to generate with ease soon. it contributes almost nothing to society - who needs a blog to tell them which hotel to visit? this girl never even traveled herself so what would she know about it. women will keep piling into universities to do largely useless degrees then come out and somehow get cushy non-jobs in offices. for now. then it will all go away one day. if we look at the NHS in the UK, the main reason it is collapsing is because a majority of the staff are clerical and management paper-pushers who do nothing medical... they will have to be removed one day because it's unsustainable otherwise.
I hope you answer this question Tammy, I’m curious. I don’t understand why the elevation and empowerment of men, requires women to place themselves at a lower position, to disempower themselves. I don’t understand why women gaining economic independence and participating in workforce, being competent and contributing to society is a detriment to men. That’s an awful message to give to young women. I hope my understanding of your statement was misunderstood and that sentiment is not what you truly believe. Looking forward to hearing from you. Fan of yours, hope your health is better
If the feminist movement wasn't based on resentment, if that wasn't at the bottom of the motivation then it would work. The Hungarian government has a family policy. Married heterosexual couples have their first child, the mother is forgiven 25% of her income tax and with 4 children she is forgiven 100% of her income tax for the rest of her life. The abortion rate has drop by 38%, divorce rate has decreased, percentage of women in the workforce has increased. No compulsion. If we weren't teaching our young men that they are the problem, that their striving is bad, if we rewarded women to get married and have a family, women could have both a fsmily and a career. There is a way forward but the feminist movement has not been encouraging young men. They beat the career drum and don't encourage marriage and family. I hope that helps answer your question. Thank you for your comment
@@TammyPetersonPodcast whatever Hungary has done is great! The tax policy is not something feminism would oppose, it sounds very feminist to me in fact. I respectfully disagree with your other analysis. All of this is only true if you believe feminism to be the only cultural force guiding society. I would argue that men are encouraged in society in spaces that they’ve carved for themselves. I don’t buy that media doesn’t encourage men, I can name like 10 movies that are about a male genius who thrives in his workplace and gets all the women. The narrative you painted sounds as resentful as the radical feminist movement. It portrays men to be victims and assumed that no male space, movies and media created for men exist. As if men are incapable of creating a space for themselves. I’m unsure why you would expect feminism to fill that role. Capitalism means the money will go where profit lies, men make up 50% of consumers so of course they get representation. This is not to say that men don’t have problems in society, I just don’t believe they’re caused by women or feminism. I think it’s because of broken families (women suffer because of this too so it’s not really a feminist conspiracy to create broken families.) It also has to do with addictions in men, widely available porn, alcohol and drugs, video games and the fact that young men on average suck at school, their brain develops slower and become more responsible as they enter their late 20s. It would be interesting to see how grades influence later outcomes in life. My guess is that the effect though significant wouldn’t be as large although I could be wrong. Also you mentioned how men don’t care about status when loving a woman. They do. They care about beauty. Beauty is linked to status in women. Something I learned from Jordan xd I hope you don’t become the thing you criticise. If you’re doing a series with Janice, who’s a feminist critic and not just a feminist scholar, you should do one with a actual feminist as well. Like any movement feminism had some good and some bad. I would argue that 1st and 2nd wave had more good than bad. Thanks for replying to my comment, this is interesting stuff!
For your specific points, I think it's better to reframe what really is a benefit vs not one. Do you have productive properrty and can you make value of it (here value is distinct from money)? A person could make a decent living working for some company, but he isn't really fully a leader at that point, but rather his earnings are largely dependent on the asyymetrical contract set between him and his boss; the guy puts in the work, but it's his boss who determines how the profits are directed. But if the person is in charge of his earnings or productivity, he is far more responsible for his outputs but also his own master. In light of this, the farmer and the crafty homemaker are far freer and empowered than the office employee because they are the masters of the value they create. To this end, let us look at your list: participating in the workforce: Women actually always worked and provided value, but this was in her own home and through her social connections rather than being employed (unless you were poor). One shouldn't equate being an employee with economic independence. this should be a protective measure rather than a default, for both men and women. gaining economic independence: I don't care much for 1950s version of being a housewife, especially since before then women actually worked, just from the home. Still, We work best when we have economic cooperation, not simpy two people each with their own job. Think of mom-and-pop shops, farms, etc. As opposed to a two body problem. Today, most women working full-time can barely cover the additional expenses incurred by the delegation of household tasks to caretakers and technology and have incurred most of the student loan debt in the US. How is this economic independence? being competent/ contributing to society: think about what you are saying when you equate or associate competence and contribution with society with participation in the workforce. Peterson talks about this to some extent, but essentially male competence is specialized on one or two areas. But for women, competence tends to be more spread out. Are you a mother? Have you ever been a housewife? You have to basically be good at everything to be good at those things. In the past, this meant being a cook, a teacher, weaver, a manager of the household in general, including its finances, all at once. If you husband worked in a farm or fished, you had to know your way around animals and plants as well because you were going to have to cook them. You had to know how to make cloth, and other tools that would be used in the house. Women in the past had to be relatively competent in a wide area of activities, because everything about the survival of their families was something curated through them. On a social level women were basically those who established connections with other families and held moral sway in communities like churches. By being social glue, the enabled the existence of all sorts of intermediate structures that we lack today. none of this is to say that women shouldn't hold power or work or gain educations, but rather, that we should not be reducing real power and authority to prominence in the capitalistic workforce (wich is structured for men), and bring back the many social domains and intermediate societies where women held real influence (extended families, social groups, churches, etc). When we reduced value to money, we actually robbed women of their power.
Here are some thoughts of women in power. Women hold power now in the universities and have equal opportunity and how is that going so far? Compassion rules in government above competence and now we have 40,000 homeless people in LA. Why was the federal vote set up? What purpose did it serve? 70% of people who are voting for Justin Trudeau in Canada are women. He's a leader who closed the bank accounts of his citizens, put protesters to his lockdown rules in jail and they now remain there. Women run the universities and they are running them into the ground, teaching activism not self responsibility and competence. We have much soul searching to do
@@TammyPetersonPodcast Hi Tammy! I think saying that the feminist movement is *based on resentment* is different than saying that the feminist movement has been *hijacked* by resentful narcissistic women and codependent men are two very different things, in this case. Stopping female genital mutilation, or protesting authoritarian governments in the middle east to allow women to show their hair in public is utterly virtuous and also feminist. Allowing women to pursue careers is also virtuous. I think this distinction is important because feminism is still the word that people understand as the movement to bring about the end of historically unjust practices towards women. Lately my goal has been to try to think in a way that moves past left and right. I actually think leftwing and rightwing are two fractured pieces of a whole that is greater than the sum of their two parts - and that this transcending whole is actually reflected in the Truth of Christianity. I never really struggled to find ambitious striving *permissible,* personally. I think in liberal areas this becomes a huge problem, but it's not something I encountered much of. I've realized that I don't find ambitious striving in itself to be worthy unless the goal is also virtuous and in line with my nature. We have this sort of false heroes journey in our society, and it is an isolating journey of never ending self-sacrifice, rather than a journey that makes you a hero by doing what you are naturally good at in a way that also serves your community. The thing we have a never ending hunger for in our society is service to our community because our communities are so broken and disparate, because we broke them in the name of the economy. In fact, a lot of our isolation can be traced to Thomas Jefferson's individualistic mindset becoming too utopian. This is just such an obscure, but such a deep part of American history, and it's something that I think can help remedy our problems when we point it out. The spread-out nature of modernity didn't start with cars, it actually started with carriages. Cities used to be designed so differently than today. Both you and Dr. Peterson should be informed of the ICAA - Institute of Classical Architecture and Art, of which (now King) Charles is a benefactor. This video had a huge influence on me in terms of starting to see the true nature of the problems in our society: ruclips.net/video/_2EkHTSqf8w/видео.html
There also is the issue of proper seperation individuation that has to take place for both boys and girls; not only during early formative years, but continually; also during teen years; finally peaking during adolescence, and when leaving their parents to bond/cleave to their marriage partner. There are consequences when this did not happen; for example when someone with a very controlling mother and/or father, was not allowed to mature towards becoming their own person - seperate from parents. It seems then there is the tendency to seek out a mate for the purpose of becoming close for a short time; only to be able to then pull away and leave; in order to play out the developmental stage that was missed out on.
Have listened to many of Prof. Peterson's lectures, but cannot remember now to what extent he discusses this issue. It's something Sam Vaknin explains well - in connection with malignant self love/narcissism. Proper bonding and differentiation is also interfered with when other forms of complex/betrayal trauma is inflicted - especially by parents; including absence as primary caretaker/s during early formative years.
Good conversation - lots of wise insights on femininity, masculinity. One very important element was missed in the Beauty and the Beast analysis of the Beast becoming a Prince: the final step to full maturity (manhood) was self-sacrifice, not just defeating Gaston.
Self-sacrifice being the example Jesus Christ set for us to follow; to die to our own will - seeking to obey God's will instead - presenting ourselves as living sacrifices in His service; taking up our cross (whatever that may mean for each one of us) - following in His steps...
@@mattehcat Jesus Christ came beforehand by humbling Himself, and to live for a period on earth - in bodily form - serving as an example for us to follow. One of the most important qualities of a follower if Christ, I've come to understand, is to live a life where one is not seeking to do one's own will, but instead is fearing God, which is the beginning of wisdom; meaning one is seeking to do/obey/live according to His will, whatever the cost to oneself. Whatever Jesus did first - as our head - unselfishly - in benefit of us - served as an example for us - His body - to follow; much like a baby born with its head coming out first, and its body following... Interestingly, it is mentioned in Scripture how women are saved through bearing children... As I've experienced this: Raising children has much to do with dying to one's own personal agenda; this unselfishly in support of sustaining others; thus one is saved from oneself. Being willing and available to go through a pregnancy and giving birth, is in some cases as if walking through the valley of shadow of death. The whole process really makes one deeply aware of how we actually are completely at the mercy of our Creator for sustaining us - at any given moment - even for being able to take a single breath. If you are interested in a more comprehensive answer; focussing for example on the psychological significance of what we know about Jesus Christ; Prof. Peterson had delivered some good messages about this.
@@maricamaas2326 Jesus served as an example for people to see what it looks like to fully obey God, whatever the cost. Okay. How do you know God is commanding you to sacrifice yourself, i.e., to die? Perhaps someone is just manipulating you to benefit themselves. How can you tell the difference? So, again, can you tell me exactly how sacrificing yourself atones for Man’s sins?
I personally couldn't care less who's dominating and who's not. In 500 years, nobody is going to remember my daily actions so it's better for all men to become monks and focus on things that aren't based on what the ego craves. Life is like a desert full of mirages. “Discipline = freedom ” Saint Benedict. This is where the future must go for all men. Less focus on hedonistic pursuits and allow women to chase after a mirage that death itself will eventually swallow. I also sincerely hope that civilization goes back to more of a tribe like formation instead of whatever shit show is going on around the world which goes against human nature. I don't want to be a hero. I want to be free from all expectations.
@@loreman7267 One more thing, I don't understand the positive connotation with dominating the world when most people are either dependent on prescription pills, drug addicts, work addicts, caffeine etc what would happen if we completely took off all of these (and others)? I'll tell you, a collapse of civilization in the worst way possible. Whatever people consider as happiness is pure illusion because you cannot correlate domination and success with being unable to function on your day to day life without some sort of dependency in which the majority of the west and other nations are experiencing. What is considered success in a failed civilization is pure delusion.
It looks like this .. watch the man become it, don't help, just let him get on with it, and he'll show you. The BEST way to support a man into what he can become is to let him get on with it instead of trying to guide him, and to treat the fruits of it with regard and care, to not misuse or be irresponsibleor entitled or wasteful. Just be there for him, he can figure it our regardless though .. and he'll give you all the best of what he achieves and becomes, and it will be be good. That's the truth. It's terribly misunderstood. I'm almost 60, I've been and seen and thought through all sides of this, and I continue to do so. I tell you the truth.
@Jack And The Narcs that makes sense. Thanks for your reply. Women do tend to mother a man into what he should do next or control it and / or criticize. Act intitled to more or abuse the fruits. I'm a hairdresser and I can't count how many men, around your age, have had a break down in my chair, crying, that they just discovered their wife had hidden credit cards and own another $100,000, that they will never retire. I've seen that a lot and swore I'd never do that to my man. I may have some of the other tendencies, but I'm definitely financially frugal and open and honest about money.
Thank you for this insightful discussion. Should men and women not be supporting one another towards fulfilling their different - yet equally important - roles? As Tammy pointed out: It seems the more women are driven towards supporting themselves, the less men are needed to show up. Also, if contracepted women make themselves sexually available for men, there is no real incentive for men to first get married for this privilege.
I think here in California is more about validation than actual improvement. There is really not that much thought but getting some likes instead of analyzing if those likes are good or bad.
My grandmother was a WWII Navy nurse. When she came back from the war, she married a mechanic, and they had 2 daughters. My mother is the eldest of her daughters and is unfortunately more a feminist than she cares to admit. My grandmother used to tell me this story about her work as a nurse back in Connetticut. Caution, this story stems from the 1950s. One day, she was on her way home from work when she recognized a young woman on the same bus. The woman saw my grandmother cast her eyes downward, not to make contact with her again on the ride. This woman was a patient at a facility in which my grandmother had worked. A place families would send their unwed pregnant daughters to give birth and have their children put up for adoption. When my grandmother told me this story, she always ended it with, "The young woman had such shame in her eyes that she couldn't even look at me." Forty years later, now, a wife and mother of three, I often contemplate this statement. It has always stuck with me. My grandmother, who was a very feminine, graceful woman, had turned dark in that one moment each time she told that same story. It was almost as if her shame of being part of such a horrific act, taking a woman's baby away from their own mother because society told her to, had gotten to her deep inside her Catholic soul. I think that it broke her heart. 💔 Femininity is a tough role to embrace. As women, I feel that most of us naturally are caring, loving, and protective individuals. Yet, society, as shown in history, has put us in positions to go against our most inate characteristics. We have been forced to take up positions that men are unable or unwilling to do. This changes women as a whole group. These mineute events throughout history have created a world in which we have had to develop a thicker skin to survive. It takes a toll, as I first handedly saw in my sweet, loving, and precious grandmother. ❤️
Ww2 crashed feminism. Men came home unable to provide with ptsd and forming addictions. Lsd came out and experimented on our war men, and the birth control pill came out. Women got fed up and abused. It was too much to handle, and toxic femininity was born, women becoming men. That's my very uneducated guess to where masculinity in women became valued. I'm married to a mechanic. All the guys talk about wanting the biblical woman and want her to be mechanic with them. I help my husband from time to time and hang out while he's working, but when I hear them talk like that, I hear them wanting a woman to be feminine and masculine. Much like women saying they want a man to be in touch with his feelings and openly talk. She wants him feminine. Do we really want that? My dad wanted us girls to be hunters and fishers. I do that from time to time, but he really emphasized becoming it. There were no compliments on the feminine things I did. I heard him saying to me, be like men. Being feminine is a thankless unnoticed roll. Even men don't value it. They want to be acknowledged for their roll and just look at us like nothing. They should know to do so.
its just not true. decent men will bend over backwards to do anything for a woman who is feminine to them and makes them feel appreciated for their effort. it's just that it's not too easy to find the decent people
@man frombritain what parts not true. Yes, I agree, decent men will bend over backward for feminine women. My husband is one of them. There's just not that many. The minute a man changes his behavior with an excuse or blame is the minute his integrity falls out the window. Same with a woman. You either have values and integrity with how you conduct yourself, or you have neither and that's not being decent.
una estupidez lo que dice esta chica, sobre todo respectodel libro de Isaabel Allende. Debería estar agradecida de estar en esta época que puede estudiar en USA, y tener nostalgia de una época que no vivió. Esta haciendo caso omiso de todo lo malo que pasaba en el pasado
Unbeknown to a majority of Catholics (Mrs. Peterson is Catholic), traditional Church/Catechism's teaching(s) on gender and sexuality were/are heavily shaped by the early Church Fathers, specifically Augustine (354-430). Catholic teachings cast an adverse shadow on Christendom as well as Western culture ever since the early centuries. (Elizabeth A. Clark, Augustine, Sex from Plato to Paglia: A Philosophical Encyclopedia, 2006). While the story is extraordinarily complex, it was Catholicism's erroneous view(s) of women that consequently spawned the Feminist Movement...a secular backlash against a deeply-woven cultural, psychological, and emotional ethos. Subsequently, in-depth Protestant/Evangelical biblical scholarship has labored to correct these theological errors and deficiencies resulting in an elevation of Christianity's view of women (Flame of Yahweh: Sexuality in the Old Testament, Richard M. Davidson, 2007).
You know what is scarier, my grandmother who had 15 kids, because no birth control and her husband walked out to find his "peace". Women loved love, bad men ruined it
If you study & live by the Torah ( like Jesus did ) the concept of redemption is intrinsic to women , it was by the merit of righteous women that the exodus out of Egypt took place , so again will they will usher in the final correction and redemption ,
ummm mary wasn't a leader, she may have helped the early church in some ways, but she wasn't a leader, and there is no mention of her post crucifixion in scripture. its a leap to say she was.
History is not exclusively written. We have to consider other way of transmissions, like oral, or from culture. For example mont Athos in Grece, where orthodox monasteries are, is such a place because it has been tramanded holy Mary was there. If she was not considered a leader nothing would have been said of her.
Many scolars suggest that the Gospel Magdelena was devalued or thrown out with the Gnostic gospels. What survives suggests that Mary was actually his favorite, having a higer understanding of his teaching, who then went on to lead her own church.
As I was understanding, she was referring to woman in Scripture, who was playing a role in the outcome of a situation... That would for example also include women like Abigail, Esther, and (as she mentioned) Ruth.
Men have always done that but women kept the home and family so men had a loving place to return to. The birth control pill has changed everything. Do you know that only 50% of women over 30 have children. Of those 50%, 90% of those without children wanted them but waited too long. That means 20% of all women are childless against their better judgement. Don't you think, because we don't know this that this childlessness would cause a war between men and women?
@@TammyPetersonPodcast I agree. I meant most women today believe this is how it should work. Both have been damaged and lied to growing up by the system. The rift between them probably cant be completely fixed in this generation but the next generation I think is seeing through it more and has much more hope.
@@TammyPetersonPodcast I think it is still a slippery slope to over-emphasize gender roles legislatively. Solutions should likely not be gender based. I say this because similar attitudes have contributed to things like good fathers not being able to secure custody of their children against horrible narcissistic mothers in court, and end up in situations where they are paying child support to women who spend that money on themselves and neglect their children, while never getting to see their children. And that sort of problem starts with good intentions that end up in legislation that defines individuals based on a single trait like gender. Take me, for example. I'd actually describe myself as simultaneously quite masculine and feminine. And, the way that those things manifest themselves are complex, and to deny the nature of either of those things in myself would result in a lot of self-hatred (as self-rejection ultimately leads to). I.e. I can be very assertive in terms of orchestrating things according to a vision, and naturally drive towards that vision. And there are myriad ways that femininity and masculinity manifest themselves in different men and women, and these things are generally *immutable.* That is, feminine aspects of male personalities and masculine aspects of female personalities need to be expressed, or inner turmoil will eat people away from the inside.
If women are "dominating", it is to a massive extent to the detriment of men's wellbeing. Congrats ladies.
Proverbs 14:1 -- “The wise woman builds her house, but the foolish pulls it down with her hands.”
Have witnessed this many times.
I think a major problem is people who think they can come in and change someone to their liking. I've left many situations when the requirements were made clear. I was honest enough to admit I couldn't do it and so I bowed out and I think that's only fair. Trying to force people into a mold that you're comfortable with is one of the most selfish, self-centered things you can do to someone. Go find your person, someone that's already who you want them to be. Remember, that person was a whole person before you met them with a long history of family, other loves, etc. You're not so special that you can come in with a recking ball just because you want what you want.
What a lovely conversation! And what an intelligent young woman! May God use her to build His Kingdom and bring glory to Him.
Regarding Tammy, just as Jordan has become a mentor to many young men, I can see Tammy becoming a mentor to many young women. Thank you, Tammy!
another awesome talk. thank you Tammy for all you do and all you bring to topic. I know some of these topics are tough for men to talk about. maybe not so tough to talk about but to be listened to seems sometimes impossible. keep doing what you're doing. we all need you. ❤️👍
...Dr Peterson and beautiful in Spirit, Tammy is such an inspiration ...blessing to you both!..
Powerful conversation. Thank you very much for its educative quality. ⭐️❤️⭐️
New subscriber but longtime fan of the Peterson family’s work.
I just want to say thank you for making this podcast and discussing these issues. As a young woman these days, it can feel very isolating if you’re of the “other” opinion. So it’s refreshing to hear women have intelligent, engaging, and meaningful conversations about the social (and spiritual) problems that plague our culture. You’re elevating womankind when you do- in my humble opinion.
Keep up the hard work. You and your family are always in my prayers. And thank you again ❤
Thanks for contributing your knowledge and perspectives Mrs. Peterson! Very valuable, will help bring some balanced conversations to this aggravated west. Please continue! Glad your doing well, God Bless!❤️
I'm barely 5 minutes in, and have never really listened to (or seen) Tammy in action before... All I can say is wow! Spouses, particularly God-fearing spouses REALLY do become "one flesh"!
Tammy - and I know you'll take this in the spirit with which it is meant... You really are Jordan's better half! And he is also, legitimately, *your* better half! You are each so beautiful!
Thanks for your comment
Dear Analisa, I am heart glad to read that you aspire to bring what you are learning to the publishing industry. I am trying to find a literary agent just now and there is such a need for Christian agents, editors, and writers. I am not sure if I will find a home, as a conservative Christian science fiction writer who is writing her faith into her books, but knowing that you are coming along gives me hope.
48:30 what film ?
A warm, gracious, honest conversation, expansive and thoughtful concerning history, the Bible and our hope. Thank you both! ( I much appreciate solid, respectful inter-generational discussions, enquiring together minus agendas, so refreshing and constructive).
What a fascinating mind. Thoroughly enjoying the conversation. How beautifully feminine Analisa is. So refreshing. Keep up the great work. God bless 🙏
A society that has nothing to offer men except for burden, taxation, criminalization and shame is a society that has no right to exist.
Correct, and they hate Men for recognizing this.
Do you believe this is true of the current society you live in?
@@eleanor4759100 percent yes.
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Aaaand she is back!
I do not think that either sex should "dominate." Domination has a very negative connotation to it. I believe that we should strive to understand one another and show empathy toward others and to their unique struggles, either as a man or a woman, and also as an individual. If everyone tried to show more empathy and compassion to one another, instead of desiring to dominate others, I think the world would be a better place. Both men and women are needed for the functioning of society.
Analisa is awesome!!!
Well done, Analisa!
Beautiful discussion. ❤️
New Subscriber! I’m so glad that I found your podcast!❤
Welcome Cindy! Thanks for listening
Great video thank you
Tammy’s voice itself could heal a generation! I’ve been anti pill for years, would never insist my partner uses it. Made me make much better mating and life decisions. But there are not many women fitting the standard of sexual responsibility.
As a newly-wed - 40 years ago - was myself taking it for few months, but then increasingly came under the conviction that I was doing something wrong. Without any human person talking to me about this, it was the Holy Spirit convicting me, I believe, since I was earnestly seeking God's will.
It's not that there's a failure by men .. it gets soooooo tiring to yet again be at fault. Look, we have biased media, social views, memes, court and family systems to deal with. And we've realised it's dangerous. There's no failure by men. There IS a failure by the other groups I mentioned though .. and men are not putting ourselves in harm's way. Yet again we're shamed. One day the rest may realize why weve stepped away .. its NOT because of a failure of men. Its actually a success of men to finally step up and say 'no more'. I'm 57, was married, lost everything, blamed, hated by my children, had to survive homelessness 3 times and recover financially and much more, and I have a Masters in Educational Leadership, a BEd and a BA. There is NO failure of men, there is a failure against men. We gave it, it was abused, and we stepped back .. and we stay back until things change where it's safe enough for us to take our rightful and necessary place again.
Feminism only has its current place in the world because men chose to not do anything about it. Same thing with the saying "..evil persists because good men stand back and don't do anything.."
@ChainMail "evil persists because good men stand back and don't do anything" that language in an of itself says it's solely up to men to stop evil.
It's 2023, equality yada yada, maybe good women should step up yeah?
@@jimmydavo249 People expect men to do everything.
People are really ok with women sitting back and doing quite literally nothing.
Which is fine, but then they wanna demand to be "taken seriously" and considered "equal".
That's some nonsense if you ask me.
People want women to be the passenger princesses of life, but want them to be respected like they are the driver.
@@jimmydavo249 Exactly .. well said
@@borgyoh You're doing the same thing the video is saying.
Thank you so much Tammy for doing really insightful interviews. I'm a married Man who has been quietly watching Jordan since he first uploaded his RUclips channel. ( Discovered it by luck.)
As a married Man, devoted husband and father, ( Plumber) I can say that there are a silent army of men who watch this kind of content and are hungry for it. This idea of the feminine as a force of nature like the virgin Mary is fascinating.
I am curious on your thoughts about birth control, the dishwasher, the drier, video games, and the washing machine. My wife and I do alot of physical tasks as a team around the house, ( like yard work) and she stays home while I work, and I wonder what you think, about the relationship between marriage and inventions that make simple our daily roles?
I have pondered this since the day I started watching Dr Petersons content and reading his book.
Thank you so much for everything you are doing! I know many really appreciate it.
Sooo good!
51:54 I have an IUD and I guess I don't know everything it is doing, but I kind of like some of the things. I have periods so light that that it's basically some light spotting. It's does feel presumptuous to be of child bearing age and say, "I have four kids and I think I'm done." But I do. I'm kind of a weird kind of woman. I have been more thing oriented and have never really fit in with other women. I really like you all exploring this.
The IUD makes the uterus uninhabitable for implantation; it does not prevent one's eggs from being fertilized, and therefore in reality it is a form of abortion. In fact, most contraceptives works this way - additionally to suppressing ovulation. If you are interested, Becket Cook recently interviewed a female pro-life gynecologist who explains this and other issues related to female reproductive health very well.
God bless you all, Amen.
To anyone here, think of 2 or 3 ways in which women DEVOUR men.
women are succeeding in a dying game. young men are ahead of the curve - dropping out of college seems like a bad thing on the surface of it but in reality they are responding to reality whether they know it or not. degrees have less and less value over time and practical skills and trades are only going to get more important. i dont believe our current economic model can survive much longer, and sooo much of western populations are doing total non-jobs in marketing and so on. i believe women are over-represented in them and are gonna be first to be let go.
my ex girlfriend did such a non-job. she was a "writer" for a travel blog. she spent hours and hours "researching" a hotel and writing all this jargon about it and the supposed benefits to the customer etc... it was all stuff that an AI will be able to generate with ease soon. it contributes almost nothing to society - who needs a blog to tell them which hotel to visit? this girl never even traveled herself so what would she know about it.
women will keep piling into universities to do largely useless degrees then come out and somehow get cushy non-jobs in offices. for now. then it will all go away one day. if we look at the NHS in the UK, the main reason it is collapsing is because a majority of the staff are clerical and management paper-pushers who do nothing medical... they will have to be removed one day because it's unsustainable otherwise.
I hope you answer this question Tammy, I’m curious.
I don’t understand why the elevation and empowerment of men, requires women to place themselves at a lower position, to disempower themselves. I don’t understand why women gaining economic independence and participating in workforce, being competent and contributing to society is a detriment to men. That’s an awful message to give to young women.
I hope my understanding of your statement was misunderstood and that sentiment is not what you truly believe. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Fan of yours, hope your health is better
If the feminist movement wasn't based on resentment, if that wasn't at the bottom of the motivation then it would work. The Hungarian government has a family policy. Married heterosexual couples have their first child, the mother is forgiven 25% of her income tax and with 4 children she is forgiven 100% of her income tax for the rest of her life. The abortion rate has drop by 38%, divorce rate has decreased, percentage of women in the workforce has increased. No compulsion. If we weren't teaching our young men that they are the problem, that their striving is bad, if we rewarded women to get married and have a family, women could have both a fsmily and a career. There is a way forward but the feminist movement has not been encouraging young men. They beat the career drum and don't encourage marriage and family. I hope that helps answer your question. Thank you for your comment
@@TammyPetersonPodcast whatever Hungary has done is great! The tax policy is not something feminism would oppose, it sounds very feminist to me in fact.
I respectfully disagree with your other analysis. All of this is only true if you believe feminism to be the only cultural force guiding society. I would argue that men are encouraged in society in spaces that they’ve carved for themselves. I don’t buy that media doesn’t encourage men, I can name like 10 movies that are about a male genius who thrives in his workplace and gets all the women. The narrative you painted sounds as resentful as the radical feminist movement. It portrays men to be victims and assumed that no male space, movies and media created for men exist. As if men are incapable of creating a space for themselves. I’m unsure why you would expect feminism to fill that role. Capitalism means the money will go where profit lies, men make up 50% of consumers so of course they get representation. This is not to say that men don’t have problems in society, I just don’t believe they’re caused by women or feminism. I think it’s because of broken families (women suffer because of this too so it’s not really a feminist conspiracy to create broken families.) It also has to do with addictions in men, widely available porn, alcohol and drugs, video games and the fact that young men on average suck at school, their brain develops slower and become more responsible as they enter their late 20s. It would be interesting to see how grades influence later outcomes in life. My guess is that the effect though significant wouldn’t be as large although I could be wrong.
Also you mentioned how men don’t care about status when loving a woman. They do. They care about beauty. Beauty is linked to status in women. Something I learned from Jordan xd
I hope you don’t become the thing you criticise. If you’re doing a series with Janice, who’s a feminist critic and not just a feminist scholar, you should do one with a actual feminist as well. Like any movement feminism had some good and some bad. I would argue that 1st and 2nd wave had more good than bad.
Thanks for replying to my comment, this is interesting stuff!
For your specific points, I think it's better to reframe what really is a benefit vs not one. Do you have productive properrty and can you make value of it (here value is distinct from money)? A person could make a decent living working for some company, but he isn't really fully a leader at that point, but rather his earnings are largely dependent on the asyymetrical contract set between him and his boss; the guy puts in the work, but it's his boss who determines how the profits are directed. But if the person is in charge of his earnings or productivity, he is far more responsible for his outputs but also his own master. In light of this, the farmer and the crafty homemaker are far freer and empowered than the office employee because they are the masters of the value they create. To this end, let us look at your list:
participating in the workforce: Women actually always worked and provided value, but this was in her own home and through her social connections rather than being employed (unless you were poor). One shouldn't equate being an employee with economic independence. this should be a protective measure rather than a default, for both men and women.
gaining economic independence: I don't care much for 1950s version of being a housewife, especially since before then women actually worked, just from the home. Still, We work best when we have economic cooperation, not simpy two people each with their own job. Think of mom-and-pop shops, farms, etc. As opposed to a two body problem. Today, most women working full-time can barely cover the additional expenses incurred by the delegation of household tasks to caretakers and technology and have incurred most of the student loan debt in the US. How is this economic independence?
being competent/ contributing to society: think about what you are saying when you equate or associate competence and contribution with society with participation in the workforce. Peterson talks about this to some extent, but essentially male competence is specialized on one or two areas. But for women, competence tends to be more spread out. Are you a mother? Have you ever been a housewife? You have to basically be good at everything to be good at those things. In the past, this meant being a cook, a teacher, weaver, a manager of the household in general, including its finances, all at once. If you husband worked in a farm or fished, you had to know your way around animals and plants as well because you were going to have to cook them. You had to know how to make cloth, and other tools that would be used in the house. Women in the past had to be relatively competent in a wide area of activities, because everything about the survival of their families was something curated through them. On a social level women were basically those who established connections with other families and held moral sway in communities like churches. By being social glue, the enabled the existence of all sorts of intermediate structures that we lack today.
none of this is to say that women shouldn't hold power or work or gain educations, but rather, that we should not be reducing real power and authority to prominence in the capitalistic workforce (wich is structured for men), and bring back the many social domains and intermediate societies where women held real influence (extended families, social groups, churches, etc). When we reduced value to money, we actually robbed women of their power.
Here are some thoughts of women in power. Women hold power now in the universities and have equal opportunity and how is that going so far? Compassion rules in government above competence and now we have 40,000 homeless people in LA. Why was the federal vote set up? What purpose did it serve? 70% of people who are voting for Justin Trudeau in Canada are women. He's a leader who closed the bank accounts of his citizens, put protesters to his lockdown rules in jail and they now remain there. Women run the universities and they are running them into the ground, teaching activism not self responsibility and competence. We have much soul searching to do
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Hi Tammy!
I think saying that the feminist movement is *based on resentment* is different than saying that the feminist movement has been *hijacked* by resentful narcissistic women and codependent men are two very different things, in this case.
Stopping female genital mutilation, or protesting authoritarian governments in the middle east to allow women to show their hair in public is utterly virtuous and also feminist. Allowing women to pursue careers is also virtuous.
I think this distinction is important because feminism is still the word that people understand as the movement to bring about the end of historically unjust practices towards women.
Lately my goal has been to try to think in a way that moves past left and right. I actually think leftwing and rightwing are two fractured pieces of a whole that is greater than the sum of their two parts - and that this transcending whole is actually reflected in the Truth of Christianity.
I never really struggled to find ambitious striving *permissible,* personally. I think in liberal areas this becomes a huge problem, but it's not something I encountered much of. I've realized that I don't find ambitious striving in itself to be worthy unless the goal is also virtuous and in line with my nature.
We have this sort of false heroes journey in our society, and it is an isolating journey of never ending self-sacrifice, rather than a journey that makes you a hero by doing what you are naturally good at in a way that also serves your community.
The thing we have a never ending hunger for in our society is service to our community because our communities are so broken and disparate, because we broke them in the name of the economy.
In fact, a lot of our isolation can be traced to Thomas Jefferson's individualistic mindset becoming too utopian. This is just such an obscure, but such a deep part of American history, and it's something that I think can help remedy our problems when we point it out. The spread-out nature of modernity didn't start with cars, it actually started with carriages. Cities used to be designed so differently than today.
Both you and Dr. Peterson should be informed of the ICAA - Institute of Classical Architecture and Art, of which (now King) Charles is a benefactor.
This video had a huge influence on me in terms of starting to see the true nature of the problems in our society:
ruclips.net/video/_2EkHTSqf8w/видео.html
There also is the issue of proper seperation individuation that has to take place for both boys and girls; not only during early formative years, but continually; also during teen years; finally peaking during adolescence, and when leaving their parents to bond/cleave to their marriage partner.
There are consequences when this did not happen; for example when someone with a very controlling mother and/or father, was not allowed to mature towards becoming their own person - seperate from parents.
It seems then there is the tendency to seek out a mate for the purpose of becoming close for a short time; only to be able to then pull away and leave; in order to play out the developmental stage that was missed out on.
Have listened to many of Prof. Peterson's lectures, but cannot remember now to what extent he discusses this issue. It's something Sam Vaknin explains well - in connection with malignant self love/narcissism. Proper bonding and differentiation is also interfered with when other forms of complex/betrayal trauma is inflicted - especially by parents; including absence as primary caretaker/s during early formative years.
@@maricamaas2326 thanks for your comment
Good conversation - lots of wise insights on femininity, masculinity. One very important element was missed in the Beauty and the Beast analysis of the Beast becoming a Prince: the final step to full maturity (manhood) was self-sacrifice, not just defeating Gaston.
Self-sacrifice? You first.
Self-sacrifice being the example Jesus Christ set for us to follow; to die to our own will - seeking to obey God's will instead - presenting ourselves as living sacrifices in His service; taking up our cross (whatever that may mean for each one of us) - following in His steps...
@@maricamaas2326 Jesus Christ sacrificed himself to atone for our sins. Can you tell me exactly how sacrificing yourself atones for Man's sins?
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Jesus Christ came beforehand by humbling Himself, and to live for a period on earth - in bodily form - serving as an example for us to follow. One of the most important qualities of a follower if Christ, I've come to understand, is to live a life where one is not seeking to do one's own will, but instead is fearing God, which is the beginning of wisdom; meaning one is seeking to do/obey/live according to His will, whatever the cost to oneself.
Whatever Jesus did first - as our head - unselfishly - in benefit of us - served as an example for us - His body - to follow; much like a baby born with its head coming out first, and its body following...
Interestingly, it is mentioned in Scripture how women are saved through bearing children... As I've experienced this: Raising children has much to do with dying to one's own personal agenda; this unselfishly in support of sustaining others; thus one is saved from oneself. Being willing and available to go through a pregnancy and giving birth, is in some cases as if walking through the valley of shadow of death. The whole process really makes one deeply aware of how we actually are completely at the mercy of our Creator for sustaining us - at any given moment - even for being able to take a single breath.
If you are interested in a more comprehensive answer; focussing for example on the psychological significance of what we know about Jesus Christ; Prof. Peterson had delivered some good messages about this.
@@maricamaas2326 Jesus served as an example for people to see what it looks like to fully obey God, whatever the cost. Okay.
How do you know God is commanding you to sacrifice yourself, i.e., to die?
Perhaps someone is just manipulating you to benefit themselves. How can you tell the difference?
So, again, can you tell me exactly how sacrificing yourself atones for Man’s sins?
What is with the full on jump cutting????
It means, open your own doors, shovel your own snow and change your own flat tire.....lol
Then we’re accused of being masculine. Damned if we do, damned if we don’t.
They want their cake and to eat it, too. Every time.
I personally couldn't care less who's dominating and who's not. In 500 years, nobody is going to remember my daily actions so it's better for all men to become monks and focus on things that aren't based on what the ego craves. Life is like a desert full of mirages. “Discipline = freedom ” Saint Benedict. This is where the future must go for all men. Less focus on hedonistic pursuits and allow women to chase after a mirage that death itself will eventually swallow. I also sincerely hope that civilization goes back to more of a tribe like formation instead of whatever shit show is going on around the world which goes against human nature. I don't want to be a hero. I want to be free from all expectations.
Don't you see the total opposition between your last two sentences?
@@loreman7267 lol being free from all expectations doesn't make me a hero. Those last 2 sentences? 😂
@@loreman7267 One more thing, I don't understand the positive connotation with dominating the world when most people are either dependent on prescription pills, drug addicts, work addicts, caffeine etc what would happen if we completely took off all of these (and others)? I'll tell you, a collapse of civilization in the worst way possible. Whatever people consider as happiness is pure illusion because you cannot correlate domination and success with being unable to function on your day to day life without some sort of dependency in which the majority of the west and other nations are experiencing. What is considered success in a failed civilization is pure delusion.
What does it look like to support a man into what he can become?
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It looks like this .. watch the man become it, don't help, just let him get on with it, and he'll show you. The BEST way to support a man into what he can become is to let him get on with it instead of trying to guide him, and to treat the fruits of it with regard and care, to not misuse or be irresponsibleor entitled or wasteful. Just be there for him, he can figure it our regardless though .. and he'll give you all the best of what he achieves and becomes, and it will be be good. That's the truth. It's terribly misunderstood. I'm almost 60, I've been and seen and thought through all sides of this, and I continue to do so. I tell you the truth.
@Jack And The Narcs that makes sense. Thanks for your reply. Women do tend to mother a man into what he should do next or control it and / or criticize. Act intitled to more or abuse the fruits. I'm a hairdresser and I can't count how many men, around your age, have had a break down in my chair, crying, that they just discovered their wife had hidden credit cards and own another $100,000, that they will never retire. I've seen that a lot and swore I'd never do that to my man. I may have some of the other tendencies, but I'm definitely financially frugal and open and honest about money.
@@jenniferflower9265 That's good to hear Jennifer. The world could do with more women like you. Yep, I've been one of those men in that chair
Thank you for this insightful discussion. Should men and women not be supporting one another towards fulfilling their different - yet equally important - roles? As Tammy pointed out: It seems the more women are driven towards supporting themselves, the less men are needed to show up. Also, if contracepted women make themselves sexually available for men, there is no real incentive for men to first get married for this privilege.
I think here in California is more about validation than actual improvement. There is really not that much thought but getting some likes instead of analyzing if those likes are good or bad.
My grandmother was a WWII Navy nurse. When she came back from the war, she married a mechanic, and they had 2 daughters. My mother is the eldest of her daughters and is unfortunately more a feminist than she cares to admit.
My grandmother used to tell me this story about her work as a nurse back in Connetticut. Caution, this story stems from the 1950s.
One day, she was on her way home from work when she recognized a young woman on the same bus. The woman saw my grandmother cast her eyes downward, not to make contact with her again on the ride. This woman was a patient at a facility in which my grandmother had worked. A place families would send their unwed pregnant daughters to give birth and have their children put up for adoption. When my grandmother told me this story, she always ended it with, "The young woman had such shame in her eyes that she couldn't even look at me."
Forty years later, now, a wife and mother of three, I often contemplate this statement. It has always stuck with me. My grandmother, who was a very feminine, graceful woman, had turned dark in that one moment each time she told that same story. It was almost as if her shame of being part of such a horrific act, taking a woman's baby away from their own mother because society told her to, had gotten to her deep inside her Catholic soul. I think that it broke her heart. 💔
Femininity is a tough role to embrace. As women, I feel that most of us naturally are caring, loving, and protective individuals. Yet, society, as shown in history, has put us in positions to go against our most inate characteristics. We have been forced to take up positions that men are unable or unwilling to do. This changes women as a whole group. These mineute events throughout history have created a world in which we have had to develop a thicker skin to survive. It takes a toll, as I first handedly saw in my sweet, loving, and precious grandmother. ❤️
Thank you for your comment. The more we speak up and learn from each other, the better
After getting my degree as a dentist I'm just going to leave this country the feminists can have it I'll live abroad.
Ww2 crashed feminism. Men came home unable to provide with ptsd and forming addictions. Lsd came out and experimented on our war men, and the birth control pill came out. Women got fed up and abused. It was too much to handle, and toxic femininity was born, women becoming men. That's my very uneducated guess to where masculinity in women became valued. I'm married to a mechanic. All the guys talk about wanting the biblical woman and want her to be mechanic with them. I help my husband from time to time and hang out while he's working, but when I hear them talk like that, I hear them wanting a woman to be feminine and masculine. Much like women saying they want a man to be in touch with his feelings and openly talk. She wants him feminine. Do we really want that? My dad wanted us girls to be hunters and fishers. I do that from time to time, but he really emphasized becoming it. There were no compliments on the feminine things I did. I heard him saying to me, be like men. Being feminine is a thankless unnoticed roll. Even men don't value it. They want to be acknowledged for their roll and just look at us like nothing. They should know to do so.
its just not true. decent men will bend over backwards to do anything for a woman who is feminine to them and makes them feel appreciated for their effort. it's just that it's not too easy to find the decent people
@man frombritain what parts not true. Yes, I agree, decent men will bend over backward for feminine women. My husband is one of them. There's just not that many. The minute a man changes his behavior with an excuse or blame is the minute his integrity falls out the window. Same with a woman. You either have values and integrity with how you conduct yourself, or you have neither and that's not being decent.
Your clearly ignorant of history if you think toxic femininity was born after WW2. If some men like a woman with a masculine streak what's it to you.
What's a woman??
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Wow I now know Jordan Peterson stands on the shoulders of a giant like Tammy 😊
una estupidez lo que dice esta chica, sobre todo respectodel libro de Isaabel Allende. Debería estar agradecida de estar en esta época que puede estudiar en USA, y tener nostalgia de una época que no vivió. Esta haciendo caso omiso de todo lo malo que pasaba en el pasado
Unbeknown to a majority of Catholics (Mrs. Peterson is Catholic), traditional Church/Catechism's teaching(s) on gender and sexuality were/are heavily shaped by the early Church Fathers, specifically Augustine (354-430). Catholic teachings cast an adverse shadow on Christendom as well as Western culture ever since the early centuries. (Elizabeth A. Clark, Augustine, Sex from Plato to Paglia: A Philosophical Encyclopedia, 2006).
While the story is extraordinarily complex, it was Catholicism's erroneous view(s) of women that consequently spawned the Feminist Movement...a secular backlash against a deeply-woven cultural, psychological, and emotional ethos.
Subsequently, in-depth Protestant/Evangelical biblical scholarship has labored to correct these theological errors and deficiencies resulting in an elevation of Christianity's view of women (Flame of Yahweh: Sexuality in the Old Testament, Richard M. Davidson, 2007).
1 Tim 2 : 12 God forbids......
Mary is dead and doesn't rule or pray.............FALSE DOCTRINE
So then polygamy is the solution ?
You know what is scarier, my grandmother who had 15 kids, because no birth control and her husband walked out to find his "peace". Women loved love, bad men ruined it
I created humanity and the Universe. Look at your history. Men failed women. I know. I made you.
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God is she
If you study & live by the Torah ( like Jesus did ) the concept of redemption is intrinsic to women , it was by the merit of righteous women that the exodus out of Egypt took place , so again will they will usher in the final correction and redemption ,
ummm mary wasn't a leader, she may have helped the early church in some ways, but she wasn't a leader, and there is no mention of her post crucifixion in scripture. its a leap to say she was.
History is not exclusively written. We have to consider other way of transmissions, like oral, or from culture.
For example mont Athos in Grece, where orthodox monasteries are, is such a place because it has been tramanded holy Mary was there. If she was not considered a leader nothing would have been said of her.
You are right Mary was never a leader. Leadership in the Bible is male.
Many scolars suggest that the Gospel Magdelena was devalued or thrown out with the Gnostic gospels. What survives suggests that Mary was actually his favorite, having a higer understanding of his teaching, who then went on to lead her own church.
As I was understanding, she was referring to woman in Scripture, who was playing a role in the outcome of a situation... That would for example also include women like Abigail, Esther, and (as she mentioned) Ruth.
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
Men have to become and do everything women dont have to do shit.
Men have always done that but women kept the home and family so men had a loving place to return to. The birth control pill has changed everything. Do you know that only 50% of women over 30 have children. Of those 50%, 90% of those without children wanted them but waited too long. That means 20% of all women are childless against their better judgement. Don't you think, because we don't know this that this childlessness would cause a war between men and women?
@@TammyPetersonPodcast I agree. I meant most women today believe this is how it should work. Both have been damaged and lied to growing up by the system. The rift between them probably cant be completely fixed in this generation but the next generation I think is seeing through it more and has much more hope.
@@TammyPetersonPodcast I think it is still a slippery slope to over-emphasize gender roles legislatively.
Solutions should likely not be gender based. I say this because similar attitudes have contributed to things like good fathers not being able to secure custody of their children against horrible narcissistic mothers in court, and end up in situations where they are paying child support to women who spend that money on themselves and neglect their children, while never getting to see their children.
And that sort of problem starts with good intentions that end up in legislation that defines individuals based on a single trait like gender.
Take me, for example. I'd actually describe myself as simultaneously quite masculine and feminine. And, the way that those things manifest themselves are complex, and to deny the nature of either of those things in myself would result in a lot of self-hatred (as self-rejection ultimately leads to).
I.e. I can be very assertive in terms of orchestrating things according to a vision, and naturally drive towards that vision.
And there are myriad ways that femininity and masculinity manifest themselves in different men and women, and these things are generally *immutable.* That is, feminine aspects of male personalities and masculine aspects of female personalities need to be expressed, or inner turmoil will eat people away from the inside.
@@hellomate639 thanks for your comment. I agree with you