The Governing Body: Neither Inspired Nor Infallible? - Cedars' vlog no. 147
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Join me as I examine material printed in the February 2017 Watchtower informing Jehovah's Witnesses that their leaders, the Governing Body, are neither inspired nor infallible.
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I'm so Proud to say that withthe help of your videos my mother finally woke up. It took patience and showing her Spanish and English watchtower. Her eyes lit up. She now looks at everything with a critical eye. Tears of joy to have the chains free. Finally my entire family is free. Thank you.Thank you
I'm so thrilled to hear that. Waking up is never easy. Your mother is very brave and honest. Congratulations on your freedom! :)
So happy for your mother wish my grandma would wake up she's been a witness 50 years very brainwashed..
I still dint know, I did read a scripture be it did not mention smoking but did say not to defile your body in any way, smoking g hurts the lungs. Not defending the watchtower, I still have all my faith in God And Jesus but I do know I read that scripture, that was in the bible ke do not decile your body, not sure if the suede g but the message was clear j know I must quit
Should add that overlapping generations was the last straw for me
Ditto...
Me too. That was it. And the broadcast where it was "explained" just sealed the deal for me.
Yes just a publishing business ..So in 50 years what are they goin to tell the witnesses then..
All-in-All the overlapping teaching and Jesus coming here invisabley broke me completely. There’s more but these fairy tales just went too far , wonder hue many talks from the g b were given while they were drunk
@@heathers5100 it wont exist. wt has a limited life span and its in terminal health now.
omg I am here first!!! you helped me leave this April when I turned 18, and I am happily living with my boyfriend safe from my dad and family that took me away from my mother and forced me to be a jw. :)
Glad to have helped in some way. Enjoy your freedom! :)
brave girl well done!
PJ Primadonna Why do you assume the poster is female?
+kay jay good question, sorry, my bad. think i projected myself into the comment because i related to the experience, including the snowboarding 😂 my apologies to snowboarderNOTB
so do you see your mom? is she happy? congrats for leaving.
how can the spirit say anything through the faithful slave if it is neither inspired or infallible?
yeah total ridiculous load of horse shit.
IF THE GOVERNING BODY IS NEITHER INSPIRED OR INFALLABLE WHY SHOULD I FOLLOW THEM, I CAN DO BAD ALL BY MYSELF ! I DONT NEED THEIR TWISTED HELP.
I agree , I’m wondering if the g b expect worship? I don’t know but it seems they want to
The g b of today, who appointed them?
The over lapping gen when I heard that I cracked up laughing I really thought it was a joke, I was shocked that they meant it
Anywhere in the bible 1919 appointment as I always believed Jesus was to come to earth twice not three times, I cannot get an answer even called the bethel, I’ve seen loche speak of that year the g b not just anyone
@@RitaMalikfour They cant help it. they are not very bright. actually they are plain dumb. wt is the most ridiculous scam religion ever thought up by men of corrupt minds and character. russell hated christianity so vehemently that he started his own anti christian one and it is still with us today.
I am glad you brought up the tobacco issue. I myself know of two men who never missed a meeting and supported their wives unconditionally for over 50 years. They were wonderful fathers and providers. One was my uncle, the other the father of my best friend. Neither of these men, in all their faithfulness and goodness, were ever allowed to become baptised or even give a comment at a meeting. In fact they were nearly ignored at the hall. Heartbreaking.
Because they were smokers. Just because they smoked they were ostracized.
It’s amazing how they can admit that they are not inspired or infallible. Yet, you would definitely get disfellowshipped if you don’t agree with their teachings and tell someone about it. They can make mistakes about their doctrine but if you disagree, then you’re wrong, you’re out of here!
How abusive is that??? Jesus had the courage to expose the hipocrisy of those elders in Jerusalem. The question is?? Should we consider Jesus an Apostate ??? He Crist came to earth to show man kind the importance to defend justice correctly. I guess history repets itself... No worries Crist will take action... This time is not to get killed by humans, is the other way around....
That's what made me completely lost belief on Watchtower. Noticing how flawed those who lead are and their lack of humility to reconsider their doctrines. It just takes one doctrine to be questioned once in your life, taking note on how Watchtower and local congregations act in face of a predicament, know that the doctrine doesn't make sense but yet they are not willing to reconsider.. and everything falls down like a house of cards easily. Because if they aren't humble enough to change a single doctrine on which they are wrong and want to force you to do what they want without questioning.. how many other doctrines are they wrong about? And what else is wrong, besides the cult itself? Is the bible true? Is any religion true?
Never trust someone that says they have all the answers or that god speaks for them, inspires them. If there's a god that wants to be known, they wouldn't need flawed humans to talk on their behalf.
Great video =)
Brilliant analysis of this Watchtower article Lloyd. Extremely helpful, thank you!
Jesus did NOT say there was a "slave class". The JW leaders are putting words in his mouth. Jesus gave an ANALOGY of a single slave.
In JW broadcasting for November 2016, Garret Loesch, the longest serving member of the Governing Body, reminded his listeners that the Governing Body does not claim to be inspired.
That statement was reiterated a few months later in an article on the Watchtower Feb 2017, page 26, paragraph 12:
“The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.”
This is not a new admission or revelation. They’ve admitted this before. What surprises me is how little reference is made to another crazy statement that was made by the governing body a few years prior to the above article. It was in the Watchtower July 15, 2013, Page 8, paragraphs 19:
“Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation.”
So, if the governing body is not inspired by Holy Spirit, if it has a history of erring on doctrinal matters and organizational direction, and if it has NOT been appointed by Jesus as the faithful and discreet slave, then what compelling reason is there to trust and believe everything they say? Under what authority can they disfellowship you for disagreeing with their teachings? and how do they justify giving elders the authority to deem you an enemy of god worthy of destruction when you disagree with their doctrine?
For many years they affirm on their publications we are chosen by holy spirit, therefore our publications are guided and inspired by holy spirit..... I read that many times ... since mid 1974, and on up until that publication of February 2017.... I was very desapointed when they admitted that.... I keep my faith as strong as possible, but those statements makes many people stumble..... May be Almighty God Jehovah allows this situations happening to test our faith and integrity to HIM, and to Crist our appointment Judge.... Seriously ???? Playing all this games with God,s word ??? And involving spiritual issues ??? For it is the appointed time for the judgment to start with the house of GOD. 1 Peter 4: 17. There is a separation going on right now between true Cristians and fake Cristians. But it is up to each person individually to keep his/ hers integrity to God.
The fact that they can sway the minds and hearts of millions despite calling themselves out on their own bullshit represents a dramatic leap in the evolution of evil geniuses.
Quori Stewart ....Yes And narcissistic "gas lighting" completely. This is abuse towards the flock.
it will bite them in the arse though. people wake up every time they say ridiculous and outlandish nonsense.
I find that this omission of inspiration of God is a way for these elite individuals to not be held individually responsible and accountable for the legal problems mounting on the Watchtower... If the believers are told that they are not inspired and these individuals CHOOSE to follow despite KNOWING that they are infallible and not inspired of God, then they are allowing this control to go on as the followers do so out of willingness and cannot sue them
"An imperfect person who recognizes their mistakes, doesn't punish people who disagree with them, doesn't break up families because one person in that family doesn't do what they want." Poetically worded...bravo...
... such great insight... thank you for this video.
That One Girl
Thank you soooo much for your videos! I was waiting and hoping for you to do a video on this WT article! Many have done a video on it but I like yours best! You're videos were a crucial part to my waking up! Thank you for your calm and unaggressive manner! I cannot thank you enough.
So, what they're saying is... even if you notice they're doing something wrong, you should just go along with it, rather than try to fix it. Because God would rather you be submissive and doing something hurtful/damaging because the Governing Body says so, than stand up and make the lives of others safer and happier. Got it.
What garbage.
Manipulative
yes when you put it like that it seems so foolish to follow anything that goes on in wt land.
Not only garbage, .....much more then that.What a huge responsability to lead or advise, or influence someone on the wrong direction.!!!! For sure we are close to the very end , Why ??? Almighty God is using our Jugde Crist to expose the wrongdoing.
super informative and well arranged...thank you so much Llyod please dont stop, your videos might end up saving my family
It is so wonderful to see followers of this cult leaving this religion But we must understand that they must be cared for spiritually by the true churches of the Lord They will need special spiritual teaching and guidance to lead them to Christ Jesus and the truth of the word of God This is great undertaking remember that they were brainwashed in that cult May the Holy Spirit guide you how to go about this If they are left uncared for then it makes no sense for them to leave that organization to continue on a lost path I hope everyone will understand what and why I am writing this I am a born again Christian for 35 yrs a bible teacher To God be the glory for all that is doing and is going to do amen
I've attended the KH last month to be precise 3 weeks in a row after almost 4 years and now I stopped attending again. Anyway, I was there coz I've been invited but hesitated to be honest. The last time was a Circuit assembly which was presented to us through video. I noticed the GB member (the one who denied being involved with WT, forgot his name) was so impatient. He started talking again even when the translator hasn't finished speaking and gave him this look for a sec every time. Plus I've noticed they all wear those darn mega jewellery all over their fingers. I don't know how that shows humility.
thank you for exposing this corrupted organization
They're finally admitting what most of us knew all along?! Almost all elders/brothers are not only imperfect but they are proud. God would never have chosen people who are not humble. It is hard having respect for someone who wants to correct you but acts like a rectum himself. The majority of the congregation gossips and lies terribly. Having said all of this, it must be false!
My mother is a jw. The amount of time spent gossiping on the phone is insane. She happens to do it with an elders wife who is the one who keeps her tentacles in my mother. It is so obvious when on the outside looking in. I always thought is was a bit crazy that so many people believe that a few men in suits are tapped into God himself....with such a terrible track record.
By putting it in my face before I was ready, you at least planted the seed, that this organization is a cult. It took me a few years to finally accept that conclusion, but intellect is funny and unpredictable thing, even among typically reasonable human beings.
john i love it.. "There not afraid to be ass-wholes" If anyone has ever experienced "Elders' in committee meetings, that is a perfect way to describe their conduct. I don't believe Jehovah condones such conduct. If he does He's not a loving and just God, and I know he is a JUST and loving God
I bet the Goerning Body found out that good old Tony prances about in tight pants and decided to remind its congregation that it-s not infalible before the footage of Tony's skinny jeans became public.
It's one thing to say God make the light brighter, making teachings more clearer or more understandable, but for God to give totally wrong teachings and understanding of teachings is a whole new ball game.
Thank you please don't stop talking keep posting videos I know other witnesses see them and they will know how they were lied to, thanks
I wasn’t suppose to grow old , well next birthday I’ll be 70, worse, due to I will never grow old, I didn’t prepare fir old age financial issues, 🥴🤢😬😬😬😬🤮
I cried out in service while I was still a child cause the lady’s home we called in loved God and Jesus I’m sure more then we were and she was led to believe she would not live through Armageddon cause she was catholic, she was so humble and I felt so undeserving,I was a child and I remember this was so wrong, were we not saved by our heart condition? Not religion? I was never 💯 percent j w again, I left after I researched and realized with a good dose of common sence, I was in the wrong place but it took to my adulthood to find the strength to dig in behind the curtain i love Jesus our Heavenly Father but no way the watchtower , this is just a money scam, and I think the g b think they are special, satan has planned it that way, I’m sure he took what small amount of iQ these men had
so... if they are publicly admitting to their own "imperfection" and not truly "inspired" by God thru his Holy Spirit.. then is this an admittance that now people can utilize critical thinking and actually question teachings ( that they so conveniently change when it suits them).. doesn't it say in the bible put your trust in God, not in men???
Jesus said over and over, "I am the way and the only way to the Father" No pope, no church, no governing body or anyone or anything else can get you to the Father. Only the Son Jesus Christ. Ask him for help in understanding and read the Bible daily. One pastor I enjoy on line is JD Farag.com. He is in Hawaii and goes through the Bible verse by verse from Gen 1:1 to the end. Every Sunday he has a prophecy update on his site. He goes over what is happening in real time to Bible prophecy being fulfilled now. He is of middle eastern descent so can give you a lot of information of what was done in old Testament times in the middle east so when a scripture says something you understand the meaning of that time frame. I am going over his u tube video's from the Gen beginning and also watch his new broadcasts.
It is unfortunate that many people are harmed by WT. All of a sudden, with them the 2 or 3 witness rule, will not apply, and there are thousands of people that have been wrongly disfellowshipped.
I always wondered about that too. If God is perfect, and giving food at the proper time. Why do they have to keep changing it? It's one thing to learn something new. But most new Light was about being wrong and changing the whole viewpoint. That always made it seem like God was not powerful enough to convey the information correctly the first time!
They are very clever using the Bible verse that the light gets brighter and brighter as time goes by .... That helps them to cover any mistakes.... And be excused at same time .....how convinient !!!
I remember when I read this article I was in the meeting I read it like 4 times because I just can’t believe what I was reading at that time I felt very disappointed and that day I opened my eyes.
No shame, to lie, over and over again... They knew from very first beginning they wore not inspired by God.... But they keep saying ...We are inspired by God !!! The Last infoy given by Almighty God was the Inspired Book of Revelation to Jonh when he was at Patmos Island. We have all the information we need until Crist comes back again. I understand there is prophecyes not easy to understand. What is God,s advise : keep praying for the Holy spirit to understand the Scriptures....
Keep up the good work...I am sure you are a thorn in the side of the GB/WT! ( and that's an honorable claim to fame)
Absolutely brilliant Lloyd this is spot on thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into producing this enlightening information :)
Excellent... your work and clarity are highly appreciated.
On day after thinking deeply on spiritual things I was greeted at my door by a pamphlet from a local church. We never receive these. Never. I told my wife who scoffed at the idea of angelic direction. Two later another church left a pamphlet and a week later another. This after deeply contemplating spiritual things. I've told my wife that we must be grieving the Holy Spirit by our lack of taking heed.
Chiafade now I'm afraid my sarcasm was not apparent.
They capitalize the title "Governing Body" as though it's the name of God.
Great reasoning Lloyd. The GB has never said they ARE inspired using those words exactly, but yes they have written things that indicate they are being guided by God
And be guided by God means what ??? They said many time elder are appointment by holy spirit. I heard that since the 1973, 1974,1975, on and on....
i agree with everything accept the smoking part, which would be argued that because our bodies are a gift from god, to knowingly damage it with smoking unceasingly would be a reason for disfellowshipping.
John you are the man. thank for this video
Thank you John for your insight
Tremendous work, Lloyd! I'd like to thank you so much for doing this.
I've seen your videos thru various parts of my life: from JW to
apostate. I cannot imagine still beeing in this cult.. Like my parents
are..
I was wondering if you could make a video about the recent petition for more financial support and the massive real estate liquidation being undertaken by the watchtower society in the midst of settling multiple multi million dollar lawsuits regarding sex abuse.
They got the audacy to blame other religious groups, for child abuse, and imorality and again and again ....we are so clean.... We don't imitate the world imorality.... And at same time knowing they had the same problem well hiden ??? Abusing children since 1950 in Australia..... Hipocrisy...... Jesus is doing His job by exposing hipocrisy!!!!
They said the same thing in the March 1, 1979 WT pg 24. Almost word for word!
I'm dying over the fact that before this video, the ad shown was a condom commercial featuring gay men. I'm curious how they decided this was the perfect ad to attach to this video..... But for some reason it makes me really happy.
It's hilarious how last two arguments could be used for the Catholic Church, except they used much more forceful means to maintain spiritual hegemony, of course.
They might have an index detailing changes but don't let people check those references as they pull literature that doesn't now reflect their current new drivel (new light!!). Good video great to get all quotes in one place
Even though we are imperfect, when GOD tells us something about to happen he never makes a mistakes, because he is Perfect
Neither inspired nor infallible but remarkable creepy when it comes to protecting pedophiles.
Thank you John for another great video, I love your interviews. I look forward to the upcoming memorial, it will be memorable. Peace
That is not a light betting "brighter." That is simply moving as the goal post. How is that not cheating, changing the rules just to win.
do you think wearing Rolex watches is being humble. who do you think paid for those watches the hard working brainwashed people like my mother who by the way lives on social security
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And living & flying first class ?????
thank you John, i wish my family can realize that they are not in the "truth" as they call it... I'm 37 and i left when i was 18.
I want to get up the nerve to show your points to my dad, and I know when I do, this will be the first video I show him. I like how you make your points objectively and with tact and sometimes good humor. This type of thing takes so much time and effort, I appreciate you going over this information and making videos here. They’re very helpful and informative!
How did it go? Were you able to present it to ytour dad?
Keep up the good work. Very sorry to hear of your experiences with shunning.
According to the Watchtower, we live "in the time of the end". The world has never been this bad and man has never been this wicked. The end is very close. There will be a GREAT TRIBULATION. So great that it'll be fear inspiring and unlike anything the world has ever seen. It'll then be followed ny the GREAT DAY OF JEHOVAH, ARMAGEDDON. Yet, unlike Jesus and Moses, Jehovah in all his wisdom and power, chose not to directly "inspire" the last earthly leaders of his people during the time when they'll be facing their GREATEST test. Yeah right.
Goodness. So, according to the Watchtower the Governing Body can err in doctrinal matters or in organisational direction. But quite recently they’ve printed content saying that members need to follow the organisation even if it such direction would not make sense from a human perspective. It would be interesting to bring those two ideas together and evaluate them more closely. The second piece - I thought - hinted more strongly at direction from Jehovah being the reason why whether it made sense from a human standpoint we’d need to align with the org.
Also, it’s a strange position to take when you talk about the changing doctrines and spiritual food and then talk about ‘citing relevant scripture’ to support a reason for banning smoking. All the Watchtower ever does is ‘cite relevant scripture’ but, when they do, the *meaning* of those scriptures changes so it’s hard to support them taking a ‘Bible-based’ position on matters when it’s clear that they don’t really understand - no more so than any other group - what the Bible is actually saying.
It's very clear they are afraid to continue to lose members..... That is why they use intimidation, they know people get scare and humble ones they obey God from the heart ❤️ so the fear of intimidation is already planted in people's hearts 💕... And it works...but just to a certain degree. Why ??? Because God said to Moses : all the nation of Israel can use my name....... But careful don't use my name in Maine....I will account you for what you do against my Name and My reputation... They never read the 10 commandments ????
you are the best, waiting to take your book
You are absolutely right in what you say
When I read this WT article my first take was, the Society can’t have it both ways… you can’t cite “we’ve been wrong before and then changed our minds” as evidence that you should trust us now.
I left around 2000 and really haven’t paid attention to the new light that came out after the “this generation” stuff that made me question things, but wow things sure look different once you get free. Thanks for all your good info and for helping people with the process. I’m fairly sure leaving will forever be the hardest thing I have ever done.
What a great work you made here.
A healthy organization is one that is actively and effectively addressing and healing it's problems. This is done using values necessary to maintain the health of the belief system. Sweeping problems 'under the rug', using cover-up, and scapegoating apostates, rank and file, worldly influences, is not a prescription to heal a disease. With each step along the wrong road it becomes increasingly difficult for 'GB' to admit that they are on the wrong road. Leadership in the wrong hands can become disastrous to our physical, mental, and spiritual well being. IF you still have 'working intellect' use the values necessary to maintain a healthy spiritual belief system. Recognizing the source of the disease is the beginning.
Thanks for the exposure Lloyd, or should I say dr Lloyd. 💗 👍👍👍
Even if they really are the Faithful & Discreet Slave, that still doesn't require the kind of unquestioning obedience they demand. Supporting local leaders in the congregation isn't the same thing as unquestioning obedience to the Watch Tower organization.
If I could go back in time and change something, I'd go convince Constantine not to spread Christianity through his empire. It would be interesting to see a world without widespread Christianity, probably without Protestantism, Islam, Mormonism, JW's etc and to see how history would've progressed without the major influence of Christianity. I would be fascinated to see how the world would have formed in a world where Christianity is a weird little new age style religion.
EmileeArsenic probably be alot of Mithrasts running about. Taking about that sweet time he slayed a bull or something.
Oh, that is an interesting thought. Modernity would certainly be different if there ever would have been any Modernity as we know it. The Individualism of the West, I expect, would not be, or be considerably less pronounced. There would be no talk about Human Rights. The Geneva Convention would never have seen the light. And The Welfare State would have been missing.
And also, no Feminism, no Marxism, no National Socialism, no Liberalism. The Shame that governs Westerners would have been a shame more similar to the Pre-Christian shame of Europe. And our sexuality would have been pre-Christian.
I always thought the "reasons" were a bit vague but hey I shouldn't argue right? And everyone else believed it so it must be true! Now I know my gut feelings were right
Well if Jehovah inspired the Bible writers, why he doesn't inspired people in our days,. I was raised as Jehovah witness, until last year. I am 53 years old. I am in a new spiritual quest,. Every Jehovah witness should read a book called, the celestian prophecy by James Redphil.
Don't let them kill your love or belief in Jesus. They do not care and have won either way if you are trapped in their organization worshipping Satan under the disguise of God or if you leave and have been so repelled you longer believe in Jesus. All they want is for you to deny Jesus one way or another so that Satan wins.
My father had lung cancer most likely from smoking and died from a heart attack at 62 (most likely from overeating and alcohol consumption). I was 6 when he died and while it was sad, i do treasure my memories with him. Imagine he was disfellow-shipped for smoking and left our family when I was a baby (note; he would not have been required to leave but its very hard to live in a shunned household). My mother died at 54 from the affects of overeating as did my brother at 66, neither of these would have been dis-fellow-shipped . My mothers sister on the other hand lived into her 90's as a smoker and if she was a JW I would never have been able to see her as she would have been dis-fellow-shipped. The reason you want someone to give up smoking is so they live longer (its not like smoking instantly assassinates a person) so you can enjoy their company longer, its completely counter to what you are trying to achieve by shunning them. The idea to shun people who smoke is insane not inspired.
I left when the brother I studied with made this "revelation" to me. I always thought/was taught they had a direct line..but when I realized they wre no different than any other religion that was trying to find its way to God.. I just couldn't accept it.. was after associating with them for 40 years...
thank you very much it was very informative
re: New Light. God has given his servants in times past partial information, only to clarify it or expand on it. 1 Corinthians 13:9-10. This though doesn't fit with the constant changing of old and new light, where the old light turns out to be flat out wrong.
In connection with "end time" chronology and predictions, the logical case for them to make (which may well have already been made?) is that God allowed them to misinterpret passages as applying to their day in order that they would be vigilant, motivated, and busy in his work, living as if his coming were imminent. Reading the NT it's obvious that 1st cent. Christians believed they were living in the last days. Each successive generation of Christians since then has had some groups that reinterpreted these passages as applying to their own day, and on and on it goes. Pretty sure I have seen some form of this argument somewhere in JW literature, though I could be mistaken.
Combine this, with the doctrines of 1) new light, 2) not running ahead, and 3) the acknowledgement that they are imperfect and fallible, and you now have a blank check to make any changes you deem necessary and expect the flock to fall in line. Point 2 about not running ahead has been addressed explicitly and repeatedly, i.e. it's not enough to be right--you need to wait upon God, be patient, follow the lead of his organization, be submissive, etc. Taken as a whole these arguments render the GB all but impervious to criticism. Naturally, most believers will be inclined to accept such an explanation, whereas skeptics will see it as a classic case of circular logic.
Hi John, Here's a quote from the Revelation book chapter 2 or page 9 'Interpreting the Scriptures The mysteries locked up in the book of Revelation have for long baffled sincere students of the Bible. In God’s due time, those secrets had to be unlocked, but how, when, and to whom? Only God’s spirit could make known the meaning as the appointed time drew near. (Revelation 1:3) Those sacred secrets would be revealed to God’s zealous slaves on earth so that they would be strengthened to make known his judgments. (Matthew 13:10, 11) It is not claimed that the explanations in this publication are infallible. Like Joseph of old, we say: “Do not interpretations belong to God?” (Genesis 40:8) At the same time, however, we firmly believe that the explanations set forth herein harmonize with the Bible in its entirety, showing how remarkably divine prophecy has been fulfilled in the world events of our catastrophic times. ' If the Holy Spirit made it known then how can it be claimed that it might be fallible? Can the Spirit get it wrong?
I used to pray to Jehovah for someone to come to my house and bring me spiritual help any my mother-in-law would show up.
by the way, i wanna buy your book. Do you have in portuguese?
remember Mister Cedars they have to be accountable to the Royal Commission so they can prove that they did make changes but only by word and not by deed
Nice one thanks Lloyd. Coincidentally, I had an argument over this very subject with still-in relatives two days ago. I left with a feeling that I planted a seed. Well.... probably just wishful thinking.
what could be the difference being a jw and living in north korea its the same thinking
Lack of humility IS their main imperfection.
hi i want to start my research to leave, but i have no idea where to start from, also i have tried looking for watchtowers from the years 1900's but they are no where to be found, can someone give me a hand?
If you need to check older publications, AvoidJW.org is a good resource.
Everything is on line. google Jw's and much will come up. Also this site he has all the old books and can show in them what was taught and how the WT denies the teaching. Just stop going. If they show up at your door don't even answer it.
I remember when the society told all of the witnesses to turn in their old materials. I suppose to cover tracks
great explanation
Thanks a lot for the job that you are doing ,you're helping lots of " jw witnesess Who are claiming the really truth about this comercial organitation
Hello Lloyd i'm from Brazil, i wake, have 1 year now. thanks for your videos. I can't understand all of you say but some parts i understand. sorry my bad english
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You are a genius, congratulation my friend !!!👍👍👍👍👍
Santia Charles Genius?
30 yrs ago i remember offering a mg with the question on the cover ...is the pope infallable? I wonder how these magazines compare. Personally i couldnt be bothered trying to find out. What I want to know is...is the GB inflatable. Is there a test we can do. Hopefully a public test.
Neither faithful nor discreet
1:50 quote from paragraph 12 with "famous" question; "WHO Really Is...?" First that came to my mind is, WHO was making this Question to be, to became "famous and important"??. Answer: people in WT society, people who are curious to find meaning and many other or perhaps we who was faced in this or that way with JWorg .
Author/s of article offered question on question with, "how can WE answer Jesus' question ..."
As to my looking on this matter answer on that "important" question is not up to human or WT or GB!! One who is Qualified to answering on this is He who asked question!
Maybe because question is just rhetoric and need no answer from auditorium who was listened on illustration. And for sure not from those who publishing WT magazines with so many false and wrong interpretations!
"How can we answer on Jesus question...." :)))) this remind me on conversation between JHVH and Job. God said; "Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm: 7 “Brace yourself like a man; I will question you and you shall answer me."...............................................
....and WT JWorg answered :))))))))))
When you're a shepherd, in trust with peoples lives, YOU HAD BETTER BE PERFECT, in your scriptural duties. "YOU MUST BE HOLY AS I AM HOLY" WOW, was the apostle wrong in saying that, I don't think so. YET, when you deal with Elders, the excuse when they make wrong decisions, with perfect scriptural admonition, "Oh, well, were all imperfect" Picking your nose is imperfection, I'm sorry, BUT when you have the Bible, and you trying to help someone spiritually, THERE IS NO IMPERFECTION.
Merci Monsieur!! je ne parle pas anglais, mais j'ai compris quelque chose grâce aux sous titrages...
Good Question to Ponder:
If we were wanting to go somewhere specific,in a city/country/foreign land; and we approached/were approached by,a certain individual.
If they made the claims that they are "infallible" "not inspired" and "always needing new light"(direction and instruction and clarification); would you put 100% trust and your very safety and life,in THAT PERSON(S)'S hands?
Would it make sense to?
Would you not think to yourself,"Well,If they admit that they know nothing more definite than I do; What makes THEM any more trustworthy than my own common sense,rationalizing and investigation?".
Worth considering and pondering,isn't it?
I thought Geoffrey Jackson's testimony during the Australian Royal Commission about the GB not being inspired was the most damaging statement ever made about their credibility as the only true religion. But it really doesn't matter. I could play Jackson's testimony to my sister who is a JW, and she would brush it off as, "Oh, I'm sure brother Jackson was just nervous", "A perfect organization governed by imperfect people", etc. Common sense gets thrown out the window when you're a JW.
Jehovah God is a God of justice... He using the Court Sistema to expose what some people think Deep inside, is it difficult for HIM to do that ??? NO He just did it.... Jeffrey Jackson denying in Court in front of everyone ....what they affirm for decades....we are the only religion that speaks the thrud, contradict himself. That,s God doing a clean up starting with his own house.......1 Peter 4:17
It is always comical when the magazines speak of "the governing body in the first century", implying that there was some kind of permanent council directing all the congregations. It is a pretty ludicrous attempt to project current Watchtower structure back on first-century Christianity. You cannot deduce the existence of a permanent, institutionalized "governing body" from a single story about the apostles and some other leading figures convening to discuss and decide upon a particularly contentious matter in the movement.
In my time as a JW, I never thought of the publications as _infallible_ per se, but I _did_ see them as inspired. Not perhaps _"as inspired"_ as the biblical books had been, but still somehow inspired. Yes, it was confusing.
The way I see it now, no matter which way they try to spin it, they lose. If they say - as they now do - that they're not inspired at all, then they have no right to say they are "guided" either, and no right to control aspects of their followers lives on behalf of Jehova, sometimes to the extent that it may cost them their life.
*Or* - they *are* guided, but then Jesus and Jehova would be terrible entities for not properly leading their chosen people on Earth, when they are the two most powerful (omnipotent as far as Jehova is concerned) entities in existence, and should therefore have the ability to lead their people correctly, perhaps especially in these perhaps most special days in the history of mankind; the last days of this system of things ( _allegedly_ , of course, I don't believe any of this anymore).
The "imperfect humans" excuse doesn't hold water at all, since the biblical writers were also imperfect.
I agree that the Bible writers wore imperfect humans..... May be in their daily lives they exposed themselves doing or saying something wrong. But when it comes to write information that comes directly from Almighty God. They had to be very carefully,....just read the book of Daniel, when the angel spoke to Daniel the prophet couldn't understand nothing..... And remarkable the angel said to Daniel: keep writing because those things aren't gonna happen now..... Don't you think if Daniel was making a mistake the angel couldn't correct Daniel ???
The human society was instructed by Jehovah when HE gave the 10 commandments to His servant Moses for all the nation of Israel to fallow. Why ?? Because even dealing with our daily issues it's better if we speak the thrud. But thru out the centuries people has the tendency to stay way from the 10 commandments...when God said: you shouldn't not be a false witness and testefied against your neighborhood, family, or others...... But how much more so when it comes to speak about God,s laws, spiritual issues ,that involves big decisions ??? What a BIG mistake !! We don't moke God.
I like the intro music what is it?
GB periodically giving opposite picture on the same issue about themselves . And in the same time successfully hoping that followers will be confused in their perception on this or that.
I will like to add also one old citation from WT magazine November 1 1931, page 327 - "The Watchtower recognizes the truth as belonging to Jehovah, and not to any creature. The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower."
they said: NO WHIMS OF MAN,NO MAN'S OPINION is EXPRESSED in publications or precisely in WT magazine.
:)))))))))) but where i/you/we was/were been in 1931? I can not remembered what have eaten this morning, ahahaa
I was in the meeting when I read this article and as you can guess I Dint prepare the magazine that day and when I read it I was I was in shock and this specific paragraph that wake me up . and it was there when I felt that the 35 years of my life had been thrown away. I thought. if they are not inspired for what reason do they say that the Holy Spirit guides them? I thought that their truth is relative and that over time, it has changed at their whim. I felt cheated I felt anger and disappointment. I have not attended meetings for three years.
You used “critical thinking” - I wished more JWs would!!! Congratulations to your newly found freedom :)
my mother's eldest brother smoked all his life from a young age to till 87 years old why did they accept his cash when he died?
Great video awesome info
If Jesus directs the congregation, how are the Governing Body not inspired?
Do the GB members ever get reproved for their mistakes?
I prefer these shorter videos John. 30 minutes is more appealing than 90, I feel. Cheers.
billysmolesworthy Different strokes. I could listen to Lloyd talk all day.
There's a lot of talk now about the FDS only coming into existence during the Tribulation. Does anyone know the source behind this rumour?
I used to think this was the truth even when I had doubts, but after opening my eyes. Wow, what a mess,
google stock is rising every year... therefore holy spirit.
Super computer assistance.
I would like to know if your book is going to be available In Spanish .