You would think that if they had the DNA of the Space Marines that would mean that they had the Geneseed as well since you can't have one without the other for Space Marines.
@@cursedhawkins1305They did not understand progenoid glands. It brings to mind how in Frieren, they know how to magically fly as they copied the spell from the demons. But they don't understand how the spell works, they're just copying it, so all they can do is levitate the caster instead of anything else.
@@cursedhawkins1305 genessed is something like the base for the space marine and some of its organs, but there are others than need to be implanted, along with the training
He did. His leg got torn off, so they made a "prosthetic" from one of the dead fake space Marines' legs. This is from the book "Blades of Damocles." It's really good.
In all fairness they initially didn’t know what was happening. All they saw was a squad of fellow Ultramarines firing at them, and he was confused as hell as to why. It was only when they realized the fake Marines were holding their weapons weird that the deception was discovered
What? They don't have the Emperor or Thunder Warriors as precursors either, forgot that part. Didn't have Chaos send the fake space Marines to savage worlds to build character. They only had space marine cookie cutters, not the elite Custodes hellbent on redemption. From what I hear, one Krieger can take on a dozen of them in close quarters combat with only a shovel and beat at least one to death with glee.🥰❤️🔥
@@-TheMachineGod- Bile - Meet the Fire Warrior Novus. Instead of trying to make them universal, I just made them unreasonably good at their job. Also, they work for me, not you. You should have done better with that contract.
They have dabbled in cloning too. Bravesword has been cloned repeatedly. In fact the first clone was born while the original still lived. (Bravestorm at the time didnt know what they were using his tissues samples for.) The clones seem to have some genetic memory as they can pilot Crisis Suits right of the bat but they seem to have different personalities and are aware they are clones.
@@leonalchamendris4036 in 40K Cloning has a weird effect on the soul and the clone tends to suffer from bad luck in a warp-rated manner. (You could argue this apples to Bladestorm as he has "died" 7 times at this point) The only people who seem to have no soul/warp issue with cloning are the Leagues of Votaan and that is probabbly because of their AI's probably doing something to counteract/negate it. (something like variable mutation so that they are not EXACT clones for example.) NOTE: Cloning shouldn't be confused with Vita-Womb (or VAT grown) subjects. They are usually grown from DNA from two subjects so they are "new" people and have souls.
@@Romir0s None of Farsights men have that tech in them. Farsight does not trust it since the "Puretide Engrams" nearly got Shavastos lobotomized by Aun'Va. (Also its cheating, not earned, skill issue etc. If Farsight had to endure death by VR to become a crisis pilot, he isn't letting others get out of not going through the Trial by Fire.)
The last Astartes the Tau tried to recruit, killed a bunch of telepaths trying to brainwash him with his willpower alone, and while in captivaty, he just stopped his heart to kill himself out of pure spite.
you talk like it was a choice, astartes are genetically programmed to die before they lose their mind... yes yes i know about chaos corruption, thats a different situation all together
@WaaaghMarine nah the ultramarine dreadnought that farsight spoke to and the ravenguard that ended himself on the interrogation table while tau invaded his mind are different astartes
Dont forget that the smurfs wasnt just a named team led by a named character, it was bloody Cato Sicarius. Not even a daemon lord would have a chance against that
@@uhhi6693 Indeed for I, Cato Sicarius, ex-Captain of the second Ultramarine company, Master of the Watch, Knight Champion of Macragge, Grand Duke of Talassar, High Suzerain of Ultramar, Primaris Marine, commander of the Primarch Guilliman, Lord Regent of the Imperium, Avenging Son, The Victorious, The Master of Ultramar, The Blade of Unity and Primarch of the Ultramarines Space Marine Legion, Victrix Guard, his student, possible next Chapter Master and possible heir to the title of Lord Regent (the last two are highly heretical speculations done by other people), will always answer the call that is pronouncing the name of I, Cato Sicarius!
Fun fact, they created robot Space Marines. An ultramarines squad was ambushed by other ultra marines bit their leader cato sicarius recognise the fact that they prefer shooting than melee and discovered the imposture. When they looted the corpses, they realises that they were robots with regestered years of fighting between tau and Space Marines
@shinhook2k280 No, the video talks about vat-grown organic space marines. He's talking about robots. Edit: For clarification, the T'au space marines referenced in the video are vat-grown.
@@shinhook2k280 belive It or not they actually talking about tau robot Made following a salvaged mechanicus attempt to create more advanced power armor,to bad the attempt required way to much "computation"(A.I) so,yeah....
Lion Johnson: yeah I'm not joining you guys T'au: okay but consider, we can make you a big freaking Gundam whit the head of an actual lion Lion Johnson: (crap, getting to say no is getting difficult)
Didnt the Tau marines also use Tau tactics like using cover and not just hipfiring an entire magazine and that freaked the real marines out more than the fact that the tau cloned humans?
They weren't freaked out so much as confused. Hipfiring let's you use the paldrons to protect yourself, shouldering the gun exposes the underside of the paldrons, that and shouldering a stock less gun doesn't have much benefit, especially when your sight isn't on the gun but in the helmet halo style.
It took thousands of years and the emperor himself to create the modern Space Marines, along with the Thunder Warriors and Custodes. There's more than Just a bit of Dolly the sheep going on.
and in the golden era of super advanced human technology, which is even further from the tau tech development. Even their armada seem to be outdated compared to other races fleet
@@RichardStrong86 If they're so limited in number that they can't be deployed, then they're not superior in anything other than a soldier to soldier level.
To be fair, I think complete and pure sentient Chaos - which has always existed, and will always exist - is a bit more likely to get into the mines of a super Warrior, than some lil bird boi with a blaster.
The warp literally corrupts your SOUL. Chaos marines don't simply have a change of allegiance over beliefs. They fall to chaos because chaos can literally change who you are on a fundamental level and there's nothing you can do to stop it once the process has actually started. Even primarchs can be turned against their will.
It took the Emperor himself 1000 years to create the Astartes. It's no surprise whatsoever that the Tau can't just build their own in under a decade, but the Tau as a whole are already well above the Imperium baseline level of genetics expertise. They can cure both Gene-Stealer infections without killing the host, as well as effectively combatting plagues of Nurgle. Two things to which the Imperium's only answer is flamethrowers.
@@UnknownSquid Good point though I imagine the Imperium can do both of those things as well, it's just that it operates at such a order of magnitude more scale (and has so many other issues/threats) than the Tau that it doesn't mass produce the capability
@@SprikSprak This is somewhat true, yeah. A defining trait of the Imperium, is that there's nearly always some planet, some specific single manufactorum, an isolated sub-faction, or some particular individual savant, that actually CAN do ( insert thing here ). But they are typically unable to replicate the ancient factory, are only able to produce in very limited quantities, might be guarding their secrets for themselves, or otherwise may or may not be in the process of being executed for the vile heresy of actually being sensible/competent/progressive. One planets plasma guns are superior and don't explode, but that's the only place you're getting one that good outside of mars. Two or three rotting techpriests on Mars can probably build brand new graviton guns from scratch, but they all have hyper-dementia and will only do so when the stars align with the Emperors nutsack in just the right way. Etc.
Memories kinda fuzzy but wasn’t Orks super enhanced by a god or demigod in the beginning to fight Necrons? Then after thousands of years they slowly forgot why they were created and went feral and found fighting more fun?
the Orks were created by The Old Ones and shaped the green groundwork for them. a more accurate insult would be accusing most races of being CONTINOUSLY guided and protected by their deities, while the Orks are doing just fine by themselves even after the Old Ones were ripped apart and imprisoned by the skelly bois. Also they worship Gork and Mork.
Yeah like the one time they made a genetic desiese to kill the tyranids they adapted of course of but it killed a bunch of them before hand, proving that genetic diseases are a good tactic against the tyranids but really hard to do at the end of the day.
Yes but to be fair, copying the Emperor's DNA and trying to create and control something out of it is such heresy and blasphemy that the Ultramarines probably went berserk.
To be fair it took like 5 perpetuals the emperor being one of them and 1000s of the greatest minds and a sneaky deal with the gods of chaos to create the primarchs and their sons
No sneaky deal needed, the Emperor literally ripped Chaos energy from the warp and instilled it into the Primarchs genome to increase their innate psyker abilities. Unfortunately they found out that this would be their undoing
@@MrLegendseekaThere canonically was a deal cut between Big E and the Big Four on Molech. Without that, no Primarchs. Big E tried to go back on that deal later, which is implied to be what caused the Primarchs to be scattered across the galaxy.
Yeah, the much better explanation is space marines being massively resource inefficient, and for the cost they are better off making more crisis suits or training more fire warriors
I love how the fake marines shot the sergeant in the face and he just walks it off like they threw pixie dust in his face but then they do the same thing later and it just kills em. Same weapons, kit everything, so consistent....
When a giant green fungi creature can bullsh*t the universe so his weapon that's made out of a tincan and piece of pipe can fire real bullets.... anything goes
Not quite correct. They didn't die because the Tau couldn't make Geneseed or accomodate for it. They died because they fought like the Tau. They didn't fight or act like Space Marines and lacked the same training and thought process. In terms of physical ability, they could absolutely take a normal Space Marine, they just lacked the training, individuality, experience, and mindset of a Space Marine.
@@oo-xb6gv Yeah. The Tau Marines were using cover and fighting solely from range, using Bolters like sniper rifles. Meanwhile, the actual marines decided to charge into melee. The copies didn't really have the zeal of the Space Marines and just kinda let it happen. Didn't bring out their own blades and just kept focused on shooting.
@@DurzoBlunts heavy eugenics via their strict cast & mating control, yes. Perhaps light modifications and isolation of desired trait but not "completly remake you from the inside out in a few years"
@@tinatpasselepoivreThe Tau detected and cured countless genestealer cult members in their own colonies and among the allied humans. They are *awesome* at genetic manipulation. The writers just don't like to play well with each other. The only reason the copies would be inferior would be their training and *some* of their equipment.
@@ShadowWolfRisingI thought they just found them pretty easy due to them closely keeping an eye on people who are allowed to breed and those who aren’t
I know it's not what you were talking about but now I want to see how a Nanosuit from Crysis would fare against a space marine. I'm not sure if it would be as protective. More flexible and excellent for special forces definitely. But in terms if protection that can't take all that much considering how quickly they need to recharge under fire. An Astartes might be able to tank way more. Also there are some devastating weapons in 40k that it might just not be as good against. Still a good soldier like Alcatraz might be able to take down an Astartes 1v1 if the games don't fully reflect the in lore abilities of the Nanosuit. But i'm a bit out of the loop on crysis lore. Still would love to see how a fight would play out.
Comparing both "in-lore" versions, yeah, I think it's not even very fair, bc while the SM suit is very good, durable, and give an overall advantage to the user in any way, it can't interface with their entire body directly, while the Crisis one is so good at that, that it's very likely a one-way conversion to being a part of the suit itself, while being also virtually better than the SM suit in any category. (virtually because it can "only" do one advantage at a time, and it's energy dependent, but since both problems can be solved, it still would be better)
@@projectdeveloper9311 I know nothing about Crysis lore, so take this as you will: if the suit needs power to do is thing and it gets taxed holding back bullets, then a space marine could simply lay down heavy fire and blitz. They're fast, clocking something like 50mph (80kph) and strong, and they don't have to pick between, plus lore ceramite can take a lot of punishment. A Terminator would be incredibly one sided I assume because it's weapons are often powered melee.
There's an scp task force who can easily kill some space marines, they're called the samsara and would be a pretty good match against a custodian (and that's in a 1v1).
@@rivencraft1734 Well, the problem here is that "energy" thing about the Crisis suit, bc without external power, it can withstand normal rifle bullets (7.62mm), but with it's "maximum energy" (at least what is shown in the last game) it can withstand a reentry from orbit (around 2000km) basically untouched. All that wording to say that it's a decent piece of armor with an energy shield, so it really boils down to how much energy the suit has at the moment of the battle, but since it can also recharge from thermal energy in the environment (shown in the first game), the battle would be to see how much damage can the SM do to the suit ABOVE what it can defend itself just by absorbing from energy around it, or how long until the SM freezes EVERYTHING around the suit to the point of making liquid nitrogen out of the atmosphere (to be sure it won't just reheat from the environment farther away too fast) The latter would work because it worked in the intro of the third game (If I'm not mistaken) when the caracter was frozen inside the suit and it put him in a coma-like state. Just to be clear about this, I just recently discovered WH40K, so don't expect me to fully understand what an SM chapter can do
Canonically the biggest and most influential betrayers in the entire setting. Their treachery is literally the lynch pin origin of the core 40k plotline. SIXTY FOUR published volumes of how they fucked basically EVERYTHING up, because they decided to turn traitor en-mass. "Muh spes marines are soooo loyal, they would never..."
I want one so bad but at the same time I'd rather they didnt make a movie than it being full of woke, transgender and other crap, warhammer is the best fictional universe out there by far and it deserves some perfect execution when it comes to the big screen.
@@2Based23Don’t worry, Henry Cavill got you covered as he is making a Warhammer live action series or maybe movie on Amazon and he is the executive producer if I’m not mistaken.
@@FriedPork-cw5fhremember how the Witcher fucked his views in the show? Amazon is just like Netflix in their desire to change the setting for their own gains, and example to it is LOTR
More likely to ally with some of the less radical chapters in the face of a common enemy, and while fighting together the astartes may realize these xenos are not a open threat to humanity and maybe collaborate, I immagine the Salamanders given their interest in tecnology and reluctance to endanger the civilians would be the best choice to find common ground.
They actually did try to convince a space marine to join the greater good. They tried talking to him, they had a turned commissar talk to him, and when that didn't work they tried to brainwash him. When they looked in his mind all they got was his name and the phrase "you will not break my will" . After a while it turned to "I will do my duty." And that marine then gave himself a double heart attack and killed the 20 tau sifting through his mind. Unfortunately the Tau trying to turn a marine will never work as space marine indoctrination makes them see Xenos as little more than animals. Like dogs.
Grey Knights find common ground with anyone trying to kill demons, so they could work too. Would love to see the tau get a real good look at a custodes though. Just see one on the battlefield and really *understand* the age, the standards, the abilities of this one dude and then be told there's thousands of them.
@@rivencraft1734 that would probably spell disaster becouse while the tau know nothing of geneseed and astartes training the custodes are the peak of genecraft tecnology, if they realize what a custodes can do both mentaly and physicaly and manage by sheer luck to get a custodes corpse or just grab a sample of DNA they could replicate or just unlock who knows how many secrets since in tau society there is no one to prevent study on whatever can give an advantage.
@@rivencraft1734Grey knights also turn around and murder anyone in the area afterwards or enslave, neuter and replace the population of that world to prevent secrets or the formation of cults so that alliance would be short lived. But you are right I would love to see the tau reaction to a custodes then the custode to agree with a lot of the tau mindset.
This is impossible as the primarchs were made by the Emperor, other perpetuals, a team of geneticists and still needed to make a deal with all 4 chaos gods to make it happen. The tau have no presence in the Warp, the Chaos gods won't care about them at all... let alone them having perpetuals...
Could they start building a enhanced _Tau_ SuperSoldier from the ground up, just using Astartes as an inspiration? As for the Tau sucking at genetics, they developed bioweapons that devastated Tyranid Hive fleets. That shows some skill in biotechnology. And with their rapid technological progress they might be able to advance very fast if they put their minds to it. Having seen the benifits and success of Imperium biotechnology and genetics they might go all in on improving their species - that seems a very Tau thing to do, no doubt with some hidden dark secret, such as secret controls and modifying other species without their knowledge to better serve The Greater Good (and the power of the Ethereals).
@@shinhook2k280 yeah, i agree, their whole schtick is that they are weak individuals who compensate their weakness with technology and mechs, they dont need a supersoldier team that is so overused.
T'au super soldiers would be closer to Thunder Warriors of all things, with more focus on pumping them full of drugs and fucking with their brains with the chips they use
@@shinhook2k280 yep for game balance. I was thinking more in terms of how such a society would respond. But that would involve someone in 40k being rational.....
So intersting thing but bear in mind this is from a book so whether its canon is up in the air. Spoilers for the book War of Secrets. So O'Kais was part of Shadowsuns fleet that went through the Startide Nexus and was frozen in statsis as Tau do. However something malfunctioned and while his body was in statsis, his mind was active and the earth caste engineers fed him simluation after simulation until he basically had a plan for everything. They then parked him in a Ghostkeel and he infiltrated a fortress monastry (yeah i know thats a little much but too be fair he got information from a dark angel on how to get in (long story) and most of the chapter was away and it was a chapter that was sort of fuedal. ). Anyways he managed to take out multiple marines and escape though granted alot of that was due to the suit. Regardless its an interesting idea for a tau super soilder thats plays into their strenghts that being their technology. Maybe throw in some nano tech aswell and its got potential
If I remembered correctly it was due to genuine confusion on the ultramarines part. The Tau Marines were armored in scavenged Ultramarine armor and so when they attacked Sicarius tried to subdue one while screaming friendly fire It wasn't until he noticed their silence and battle stance that he realized they weren't true Astartes
Tau weapons tear through Astartes like tissue paper. Frankly the Imperial Guard are a better choice to fight the Tau because your less likely to lose a veteran of a hundred campaigns to some random private who managed to get an Astartes in their iron sights.
That last line is kind of bogus. They didn't have the gene scene, something that was created by the Emperor of mankind but yet they created something very very close based on scraps of DNA that got from the transhuman corps and made something so lifelike and realistic that it actually made the ultramarine uncomfortable how scarily close the space blueberries were able to get
It's the typical brain dead anti-Tau bias. As always. Just painfully childishly stupid, to the point of even being quite backwards in regards to the tale it's telling, as usual.
Water Caste reading stolen schematics: okay so apparently we need to put this organ behing the pancreas Earth Caste: ...behind the WHAT?? Water Caste: dude idk
@@1YCARADOFACAO Modern Humanity went from the bronze age to the contemporary era in 5,000 years or so. With a life expectancy half that of humanity? The T'au actually seem to advance relatively slowly.
@@thanatos5150 The bronze age isn't even close to the start of modern humans though. The first stone tool use by hominins was over 3 million years ago. The first evidence of modern humans using fire and more complex stone tools dates back 200,000 years. Considering the first encounter with early Tau reported them being on a similar level to stone age humans, having just discovered fire. 6,000 years later, they've got advanced mech suits, near light speed space travel and multiple star systems under their control. Even if current humans could somehow reach that level of technology in a hundred years, Tau would still have advanced way, way faster. Tau reached that level of technology in just 3% of the time, or over 33 times faster than humans. And that's very optimistic for humanity, as I doubt we'd reach even a single of those milestones within a hundred years. Thanks to the writers, the Imperium encountered Tau when they had just surpassed the Imperium's technology in most aspects. If they had gone unnoticed for another 1000 years, they would probably have technology that'd put even Necrons and Eldar to shame.
That would require the Imperium relenting on their "Zero Xeno" policy. The break away Tau would likely be murdered on sight. He would have more chance attempting to integrate into one of the Hive worlds in exchange for a life of servitude to one of the Overlords
Created by Xeno hands, an imperfect clone of an Astartes and thus a Mutant, and having never basked in the light of the Emperor curses them as a Heretic. They would be killed the moment their artificial nature is revealed.
If I'm remembering the book correctly, it was only due to surprise. The fake marines were also wearing Ultramarine armor, so when the fight kicked off the real marines were confused and calling out friendly fire instead of fighting back because they thought it was a mistake and didn't want to kill their own.
The Tau need a buff in the lore fr, their the only major faction that get shit on all the time for no reason besides "why not" It's not even funny anymore at this point, why even keep them around o If their whole purpose is to be laughed at
They’re the only “sci if” aesthetic faction. That goes full HAM with Japanese mechs. That’s literally their whole thing, doesn’t mean they’ve gotta be powerful in lore. They just look cool
@user-rs9bc4qr2s Maybe they don't have to be powerful But they are still a major and important to the lore faction I would love if they got something more
Here's the thing. The dumb Imperium fanboys constantly shit on the Tau and spread inaccurate memes, but in terms of actual lore the Tau are actually kicking ass. Let me be frank when I say that 90% of everything you've ever hear about the Tau in videos like this, is pretty much misinformation and bullshit, or otherwise presented in a way that tries to make the Tau sound lame, but really does no such thing once the schoolboy jeering is taken away. The people making this stuff don't actually read Tau books. They just play an eternal game of "telephone" or "chinese whispers" where they typically start with a real Tau lore excerpt, and then circle jerk trying to make it sound bad until you get the result you see here. Quite often they take even major Tau victories, and then misrepresent the hell out of it, to act like it was a Tau loss. Other times its based on some random quote from an Imperial Commisar, who knows fuck all about the Tau, and is just repeating in-world propoganda. So whilst the galaxy is full of scary horrors, and the Tau naturally have a rough time upon first meeting them, basically every encounter has been a story of the Tau heroically overcoming it and continuing to expand. Vs the Imperium specifically, the Tau are the aggressor, having conquered dozens of Imperial worlds, whilst the Imperium desperately engages in stall tactics and scorched earth, lacking the forces to pull away from other even more desperate fronts. The entire "problem" about the Tau, isn't that they're "a joke". It's that the vast majority of the fanbase has literally never interacted with any first hand source or lore about them, and is about as knowledgeable on them as a hive world urchin is, and with the same degree of naive childish bias too.
@@UnknownSquid True most people don't care about the Tau or their lore and its obvious they don't even try to understand anything about them because of a dumb childish baised against them It's also true that the Tau have more problems than the other factions because the Tau are the canonicaly youngest faction and don't know much as of yet, they have to learn and grow but if Humanity can just get past every obstacles through sheer will and numbers alone than the Tau shouldn't have that many problems, especially because of their scientific advancements and ability to learn and adapt quickly I just generally feel like the Tau are heavily underrepresented and are often thrown curve balls and Games workshops is to afraid of community backlash to do anything with them because the Tau are the most disliked faction for basically no reason
@@_Chaosnight_ Well they're a small faction in terms of their presence and impact on the galactic scene, so I'm not surprised they don't get that much representation from GW. But yeah, as you can tell, the childish way the wider 40k community regards them is what bothers me the most. I'd say that the most under-represented faction is probably the Eldar. They're a very important faction with both enormous amounts of history, and a basically galaxy spanning area of influence and involvement in the setting. And yet you barely see or hear anything at all about them. Though, perhaps it's better to be dismissively ignored, than brainlessly mocked.
I could imagine some renegade Space Marine working for the Tau as mercenaries or privateers but would likely ditch them the moment someone with a bigger bank account makes them an offer.
Space Marines are way beyond Tau tech, just like all the higher tech imperial stuff. The Tau has better average tech used than the imperium, but the imperium has even managed to make a bit of webway. That is way beyond all but the ancient empires, like the Necrons, Eldar and Old Ones.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't all imperial tech just reused old human tech so technically while the empire has some better tech things(though I would even argue with that as some things might be more powerful but have so many drawbacks that it becomes less effective) they can't really make them themselfs so loosing some of the cool shit they have is an almost irreplaceable loss.
@Velatus5978 it is more complicated than that. Some tech they cannot replace, most of this is from 30k. Some is older. But most by far is stuff where nobody alive has the skills to make it and/or the necessary facilities are damaged beyond repair. They do develop some new high tier tech, this is mostly via cawl and people like him. Most tech they can still make.
Lore wise, I can only imagine how absolutely and pissed off the astartes were at seeing dollar tree clones of themselves. As in marine goes into fuck you mode and solos all of them.
"The Tau suck at genetic modification" **Saves an entire planet from genestealer virus** Nah m8, they're just playing plot armour for Space Marines cuz in reality, the Tau could replicate everything.
Seeing what it took to create primarchs, and from there branch to each chapter of marines… Yeah, the Tau would have their very own warp disaster to try and create them, just like the Eldar and Humans.
"Why haven't the Tau created Space Marines" Because if they did the Imperium would see it as one of the ultimate heresies possible and view it as reason to dedicate real resources to destroying the Tau.
they still came close , by a small margin but still close, with enough research they could make their own geneseeds using some of tau greatest warriors
Could you imagine if the tau could make geneseed, I’d reckon with how archaic the imperium are in keeping their geneseed and with time became mutated or straight up defective. The tau could easily make arguably better quality
Considering it's something made by the emperor, and alot of the "special sauce" that fundamentally goes into the space marines comes from the primarchs which he needed to get from the chaos gods, I doubt they could ever make any, even now tbh
The thing is geneseed comes from the primarchs and they're also made to be used on humans. So assuming they want to use it on themselves, they would have to figure out how to do that. Its probably more worth it to just focus on their mechs.
Impossible literally impossible for they don't have resources and they would instantly be extinct the moment the Imperium finds out about it and launches a crusade.
@@AdeptKing so think of it this way, they’re not held back by the admech and the wider imperium by keeping gene stocks restricted, they can quite possibly replicate, hell even cloned, they have proven themselves to have the resources to do so
The Emperor made the Primarchs and by extension Geneseed after msking and then breaking a deal with the chaos gods. I doubt the Ethereals or Farsight would want anything to do with them especially after recent events. As for them reverse engineering geneseed... why? The process of making space marines is long,costly snd straight up barbaric. Why go through all that trouble when they can just keep mass producing better battle suits and arm their ground soldiers with weapons that can penetrate SM armor? Hell they can have better results by just keep feeding dead Marines to the Kroot.
That is because the T'au specialise in technological superiority with their battle suits. They do not need genetic manipulation to be an impressive war machine. 😎
This is the biggest stupid plot hole that everyone is just going along with. Space marines turn to chaos. Space Marines even go renegade.. Yes it takes a lot to make them turn against the imperium, but it’s not impossible, and it happens all the time. It would actually make a lot of sense if an entire chapter started supporting the Tau. Especially if they understood the fact that Tau starve chaos due to their low presence in the warp.
And any non-tau species in their Empire ruins that “starving” so they would have to genocide humans, like they did on a few occasions by the way, so no, space marine wouldnt sign up on exterminating his own species on behest of a xeno. Oh in fact Chaos space marines are often even more xenophobic than basic ones, they look down on literally any non-human species as unworthy worms.
Now to be fair, Tau society is the only one in 40K that actually is flourishing. Too bad about the whole mindcontrol and caste thing, but Farsight is fixing that with Khorne's help. :P
@@The_Keeperyeah by the use of slaves to do their dirty work and expand total control for more planets and Rinse and repeat. You don't win wars by flourishing, but meeting quotas.
The Gene Seed is like super condensed memetic memory. It's centuries on centuries of combat experience, tactics, and eating breathing and crapping war put into an organ. The Tau will always be silly robot lovers.
Tau: "We've done it! We've cloned the pinnacle of mankind!"
Astartes: "And the god sperm?"
Tau: "The what?"
You would think that if they had the DNA of the Space Marines that would mean that they had the Geneseed as well since you can't have one without the other for Space Marines.
@@cursedhawkins1305They did not understand progenoid glands.
It brings to mind how in Frieren, they know how to magically fly as they copied the spell from the demons. But they don't understand how the spell works, they're just copying it, so all they can do is levitate the caster instead of anything else.
@@cursedhawkins1305 genessed is something like the base for the space marine and some of its organs, but there are others than need to be implanted, along with the training
when a space marine dies a apothecary take the Gene Seed to prevent capture from cheats and other factions @@cursedhawkins1305
@@cursedhawkins1305 The gene seed may have been extracted from the deceased marines before the Tau found them.
Bet the 1 Ultramarine was embarrassed AF... you know he got sht for it 😂
He did. His leg got torn off, so they made a "prosthetic" from one of the dead fake space Marines' legs. This is from the book "Blades of Damocles." It's really good.
In all fairness they initially didn’t know what was happening. All they saw was a squad of fellow Ultramarines firing at them, and he was confused as hell as to why. It was only when they realized the fake Marines were holding their weapons weird that the deception was discovered
"lmao, jeff got his ass beat by a fake astartes"
Like a one legged Astartes in a ass kicking contest 🤣
Lucky for him that his genedada is Robotnik Gurlyman and not Angry Ronald.
It's hard when you don't have demigods with thousands of years experience and dabling in space magic to help you with the process
And yet look how far they've come already
They don't need to worship a fake, dead God that has turned humanity into a cult of supper advanced Germans.
What? They don't have the Emperor or Thunder Warriors as precursors either, forgot that part. Didn't have Chaos send the fake space Marines to savage worlds to build character. They only had space marine cookie cutters, not the elite Custodes hellbent on redemption. From what I hear, one Krieger can take on a dozen of them in close quarters combat with only a shovel and beat at least one to death with glee.🥰❤️🔥
@@jameselliott216even though I'd be somewhat expensive exactly why kriegers should get power shovels
@@arandomsystemglitch2398 Kriegers get POWER shovels?!🤯
So the Tau just need to be dumb enough to hire Fabius Bile.
I mean they're dumb enough to have a cultural exchange with the drukhari
The sad thing is they probably are.
Fabius Bile: I’m looking for stable employment as a surgeon, here’s my resume
Tau: say no more
@@-TheMachineGod- Bile - Meet the Fire Warrior Novus. Instead of trying to make them universal, I just made them unreasonably good at their job. Also, they work for me, not you. You should have done better with that contract.
When you put it like that, it sounds about right.
They practice Eugenics via breeding, not artificial modification. Makes sense.
They have dabbled in cloning too. Bravesword has been cloned repeatedly. In fact the first clone was born while the original still lived. (Bravestorm at the time didnt know what they were using his tissues samples for.)
The clones seem to have some genetic memory as they can pilot Crisis Suits right of the bat but they seem to have different personalities and are aware they are clones.
@@Makorze does cloning count as artificial modification or just replication? Not sure.
@@Makorze «genetic memory»
nah, they can straight forward upload shit to the brain. neurochip technology.
@@leonalchamendris4036 in 40K Cloning has a weird effect on the soul and the clone tends to suffer from bad luck in a warp-rated manner.
(You could argue this apples to Bladestorm as he has "died" 7 times at this point)
The only people who seem to have no soul/warp issue with cloning are the Leagues of Votaan and that is probabbly because of their AI's probably doing something to counteract/negate it. (something like variable mutation so that they are not EXACT clones for example.)
NOTE: Cloning shouldn't be confused with Vita-Womb (or VAT grown) subjects. They are usually grown from DNA from two subjects so they are "new" people and have souls.
@@Romir0s None of Farsights men have that tech in them. Farsight does not trust it since the "Puretide Engrams" nearly got Shavastos lobotomized by Aun'Va.
(Also its cheating, not earned, skill issue etc. If Farsight had to endure death by VR to become a crisis pilot, he isn't letting others get out of not going through the Trial by Fire.)
Considering who they threw their half-baked first try up against, the Tau actually did a pretty impressive job.
againt who againt ? i don't remember
@galomir833 they sent the fake space marines against the uktra marines aka the plot armour marines
@@galomir833 Cato sicarus
@@kinglycrimson o yea
they were doom the very sec they were send to fight him
Truz
The last Astartes the Tau tried to recruit, killed a bunch of telepaths trying to brainwash him with his willpower alone, and while in captivaty, he just stopped his heart to kill himself out of pure spite.
Unfathomably based
You cant kill me. I can kill me. *Dies with middle finger*
you talk like it was a choice, astartes are genetically programmed to die before they lose their mind... yes yes i know about chaos corruption, thats a different situation all together
Grimpderp if he wasn't a powerful psyker.
@WaaaghMarine nah the ultramarine dreadnought that farsight spoke to and the ravenguard that ended himself on the interrogation table while tau invaded his mind are different astartes
Dont forget that the smurfs wasnt just a named team led by a named character, it was bloody Cato Sicarius.
Not even a daemon lord would have a chance against that
The fact the fake-marines managed to wound one of his team at all, is reasonably impressive to be honest.
*In TTS voice* It is I, Cato Sicarius because I am the best and greatest of all because I, am Cato Sicarius.
@@Jormungrandrserpent yeah was looking for the inevitable TTS cato sicarius comment lmao
@@uhhi6693 Indeed for I, Cato Sicarius, ex-Captain of the second Ultramarine company, Master of the Watch, Knight Champion of Macragge, Grand Duke of Talassar, High Suzerain of Ultramar, Primaris Marine, commander of the Primarch Guilliman, Lord Regent of the Imperium, Avenging Son, The Victorious, The Master of Ultramar, The Blade of Unity and Primarch of the Ultramarines Space Marine Legion, Victrix Guard, his student, possible next Chapter Master and possible heir to the title of Lord Regent (the last two are highly heretical speculations done by other people), will always answer the call that is pronouncing the name of I, Cato Sicarius!
One EMP bomb later:
Fun fact, they created robot Space Marines.
An ultramarines squad was ambushed by other ultra marines bit their leader cato sicarius recognise the fact that they prefer shooting than melee and discovered the imposture.
When they looted the corpses, they realises that they were robots with regestered years of fighting between tau and Space Marines
dude I'm pretty sure those are the ones he's talking about in the video
@shinhook2k280 No, the video talks about vat-grown organic space marines. He's talking about robots.
Edit: For clarification, the T'au space marines referenced in the video are vat-grown.
@@nerveaxel8164 there's no robot space marines... this guy is referring to these same tau clone marines in the video..
He also realized because the "Marines" were shouldering the bolters before they fired which space marines don't normally do
@@shinhook2k280 belive It or not they actually talking about tau robot Made following a salvaged mechanicus attempt to create more advanced power armor,to bad the attempt required way to much "computation"(A.I) so,yeah....
That time they tried to inspect a Ravenguards mind and he killed everyone in the room with sheer force of will XD
I thought he just committed suicide?
@turtlehead8386 that he did. The self induced heart attack took him out as well as the Tau who were "connected" to him
@@turtlehead8386 He did but he took a bunch of them with him.
@@turtlehead8386he did it after.
The others thought that Raven Guard Captain was the fabled Emperor of Mankind… yeah they don’t know anything about the Imperium
Space Marines are bros that will not be led astray by big blue milkies!
@@NigelAnthonyBrink Those are big pink and purple milkies, totally different.
Lion Johnson: yeah I'm not joining you guys
T'au: okay but consider, we can make you a big freaking Gundam whit the head of an actual lion
Lion Johnson: (crap, getting to say no is getting difficult)
Tell that to Guilliman
@@zackarysmith1520those are xenos Milkies, however they are not blue, therefor they are totally different.
@@zackarysmith1520guilliman at least can trust the Eldar enough, but the Tau are the type of people who spam you to join their side constantly.
Didnt the Tau marines also use Tau tactics like using cover and not just hipfiring an entire magazine and that freaked the real marines out more than the fact that the tau cloned humans?
The raptors chapter, AKA the reasonable marines but canon: "really bro? THAT freaked you out?"
Ah yes, the advanced tactics of 41st millenium. Using cover.
No wonder the empire is going to shit
What book mate? Very interested much.
@@Justmyopinionsir-q4v Read the reply above
They weren't freaked out so much as confused. Hipfiring let's you use the paldrons to protect yourself, shouldering the gun exposes the underside of the paldrons, that and shouldering a stock less gun doesn't have much benefit, especially when your sight isn't on the gun but in the helmet halo style.
It took thousands of years and the emperor himself to create the modern Space Marines, along with the Thunder Warriors and Custodes. There's more than Just a bit of Dolly the sheep going on.
and in the golden era of super advanced human technology, which is even further from the tau tech development. Even their armada seem to be outdated compared to other races fleet
I wouldn't be surprised if they just ended up making Spartans instead it would be easier and just as effective.
The Emperor created the Custodes first, and they're superior to everything created afterwards.
@@RichardStrong86 If they're so limited in number that they can't be deployed, then they're not superior in anything other than a soldier to soldier level.
And it took another 10k to make the primaris
The only reason they lost is because they went up against a named character without a helmet
Maybe but they were going against bloody Cato Sicarius
I mean if chaos can recruit a Marine then realistically they’re up for anything.
To be fair, I think complete and pure sentient Chaos - which has always existed, and will always exist - is a bit more likely to get into the mines of a super Warrior, than some lil bird boi with a blaster.
The warp literally corrupts your SOUL. Chaos marines don't simply have a change of allegiance over beliefs. They fall to chaos because chaos can literally change who you are on a fundamental level and there's nothing you can do to stop it once the process has actually started. Even primarchs can be turned against their will.
Right..
You need to cut back on whatever it is that you are smoking
They're racist, not desperate
The Tau are a young race, I'm sure they will figure out genetics eventually
It took the Emperor himself 1000 years to create the Astartes. It's no surprise whatsoever that the Tau can't just build their own in under a decade, but the Tau as a whole are already well above the Imperium baseline level of genetics expertise. They can cure both Gene-Stealer infections without killing the host, as well as effectively combatting plagues of Nurgle. Two things to which the Imperium's only answer is flamethrowers.
If they last that long lmao
@@ZagzerothI have more hopes on the Survival of the Tau's.
@@UnknownSquid Good point though I imagine the Imperium can do both of those things as well, it's just that it operates at such a order of magnitude more scale (and has so many other issues/threats) than the Tau that it doesn't mass produce the capability
@@SprikSprak This is somewhat true, yeah. A defining trait of the Imperium, is that there's nearly always some planet, some specific single manufactorum, an isolated sub-faction, or some particular individual savant, that actually CAN do ( insert thing here ).
But they are typically unable to replicate the ancient factory, are only able to produce in very limited quantities, might be guarding their secrets for themselves, or otherwise may or may not be in the process of being executed for the vile heresy of actually being sensible/competent/progressive.
One planets plasma guns are superior and don't explode, but that's the only place you're getting one that good outside of mars.
Two or three rotting techpriests on Mars can probably build brand new graviton guns from scratch, but they all have hyper-dementia and will only do so when the stars align with the Emperors nutsack in just the right way. Etc.
"We have space marines at home..."
If the stupid ass "haha Gundam humping weeb" joke didn't give away the dude is "a bit" biased to Emperor's Killstealers then idk what would.
...right from Temu.
The Orks and Tau are the only ones doing all of their own heavy lifting.
The other races literally had demigods shape all the ground work for them. 🗿
What about Necrons
Tyranids?
Memories kinda fuzzy but wasn’t Orks super enhanced by a god or demigod in the beginning to fight Necrons? Then after thousands of years they slowly forgot why they were created and went feral and found fighting more fun?
the Orks were created by The Old Ones and shaped the green groundwork for them. a more accurate insult would be accusing most races of being CONTINOUSLY guided and protected by their deities, while the Orks are doing just fine by themselves even after the Old Ones were ripped apart and imprisoned by the skelly bois.
Also they worship Gork and Mork.
@@SewerRatsarepeopletoo Tyranids might be an Old Ones construct made to 'reset' the galaxy.
I wouldn't say they suck at genetic modification, more that they don't deem it necessary. They have rail guns and mesh suits instead of beefy boys
humans also have a slight headstart
@@rory8182and yet the tau have been catching up fast
@@logancox3308 humans are a shadow of their former self tho
Yeah like the one time they made a genetic desiese to kill the tyranids they adapted of course of but it killed a bunch of them before hand, proving that genetic diseases are a good tactic against the tyranids but really hard to do at the end of the day.
Space Marines are body builder, Tau are femboys
well to be fair one ultramarine kills 10 of everything because blue boy sales plot armor
Yes but to be fair, copying the Emperor's DNA and trying to create and control something out of it is such heresy and blasphemy that the Ultramarines probably went berserk.
To be fair it took like 5 perpetuals the emperor being one of them and 1000s of the greatest minds and a sneaky deal with the gods of chaos to create the primarchs and their sons
No sneaky deal needed, the Emperor literally ripped Chaos energy from the warp and instilled it into the Primarchs genome to increase their innate psyker abilities. Unfortunately they found out that this would be their undoing
@@MrLegendseeka There was a deal made. Probably directly with the primarchs themselves before they were created.
@@JohnSmith-j7n *If we take literal daemons of Chaos at their word
@@MrLegendseekaThere canonically was a deal cut between Big E and the Big Four on Molech. Without that, no Primarchs. Big E tried to go back on that deal later, which is implied to be what caused the Primarchs to be scattered across the galaxy.
"They didn't know how to make geneseed"
... But they had the bodies...
Oh, totally forgot that apothecaries exist for a second.
Yeah, the much better explanation is space marines being massively resource inefficient, and for the cost they are better off making more crisis suits or training more fire warriors
I love how the fake marines shot the sergeant in the face and he just walks it off like they threw pixie dust in his face but then they do the same thing later and it just kills em. Same weapons, kit everything, so consistent....
Power of Cool means too much to a writer sometimes.
The whole idea of Tau cloning Space Marines is daft if we're being honest, so I'm not surprised if you were to tell me the novel it was in is subpar
yeah it's stupid
When a giant green fungi creature can bullsh*t the universe so his weapon that's made out of a tincan and piece of pipe can fire real bullets.... anything goes
@@knightpal1545 yeah Ork lore is stupid too.
They reverse Engineered Space Marines but forgot to add in the Plot armor
That is the most essential part of the space marine it is like making a omelette without an egg
Not quite correct. They didn't die because the Tau couldn't make Geneseed or accomodate for it. They died because they fought like the Tau. They didn't fight or act like Space Marines and lacked the same training and thought process. In terms of physical ability, they could absolutely take a normal Space Marine, they just lacked the training, individuality, experience, and mindset of a Space Marine.
Do you know where I can find this
Does it say this or show this?
@@oo-xb6gv Yeah. The Tau Marines were using cover and fighting solely from range, using Bolters like sniper rifles. Meanwhile, the actual marines decided to charge into melee. The copies didn't really have the zeal of the Space Marines and just kinda let it happen. Didn't bring out their own blades and just kept focused on shooting.
@@blackorcking It was in a book, but I don't remember which one. All I remember is that it had Cato Sicarius.
@@starhammer5247 weren't those robots in the book though?
"The Tau are just fundamentally bad at anything regarding genetic modification"
Their entire race is genetically modified
Yah I was about to say 😂
@@DurzoBlunts heavy eugenics via their strict cast & mating control, yes.
Perhaps light modifications and isolation of desired trait but not "completly remake you from the inside out in a few years"
@@tinatpasselepoivreThe Tau detected and cured countless genestealer cult members in their own colonies and among the allied humans. They are *awesome* at genetic manipulation. The writers just don't like to play well with each other. The only reason the copies would be inferior would be their training and *some* of their equipment.
@@TamaTheKaiju Whoa Whoa Whoa, they CURED Genestealers?
@@ShadowWolfRisingI thought they just found them pretty easy due to them closely keeping an eye on people who are allowed to breed and those who aren’t
Yeah, but on the other hand, a Crisis suit is far cheaper and easier to make and would give a Space Marine a run for their money.
I know it's not what you were talking about but now I want to see how a Nanosuit from Crysis would fare against a space marine.
I'm not sure if it would be as protective. More flexible and excellent for special forces definitely. But in terms if protection that can't take all that much considering how quickly they need to recharge under fire. An Astartes might be able to tank way more. Also there are some devastating weapons in 40k that it might just not be as good against. Still a good soldier like Alcatraz might be able to take down an Astartes 1v1 if the games don't fully reflect the in lore abilities of the Nanosuit. But i'm a bit out of the loop on crysis lore. Still would love to see how a fight would play out.
Comparing both "in-lore" versions, yeah, I think it's not even very fair, bc while the SM suit is very good, durable, and give an overall advantage to the user in any way, it can't interface with their entire body directly, while the Crisis one is so good at that, that it's very likely a one-way conversion to being a part of the suit itself, while being also virtually better than the SM suit in any category.
(virtually because it can "only" do one advantage at a time, and it's energy dependent, but since both problems can be solved, it still would be better)
@@projectdeveloper9311 I know nothing about Crysis lore, so take this as you will: if the suit needs power to do is thing and it gets taxed holding back bullets, then a space marine could simply lay down heavy fire and blitz.
They're fast, clocking something like 50mph (80kph) and strong, and they don't have to pick between, plus lore ceramite can take a lot of punishment. A Terminator would be incredibly one sided I assume because it's weapons are often powered melee.
There's an scp task force who can easily kill some space marines, they're called the samsara and would be a pretty good match against a custodian (and that's in a 1v1).
@@rivencraft1734 Well, the problem here is that "energy" thing about the Crisis suit, bc without external power, it can withstand normal rifle bullets (7.62mm), but with it's "maximum energy" (at least what is shown in the last game) it can withstand a reentry from orbit (around 2000km) basically untouched.
All that wording to say that it's a decent piece of armor with an energy shield, so it really boils down to how much energy the suit has at the moment of the battle, but since it can also recharge from thermal energy in the environment (shown in the first game), the battle would be to see how much damage can the SM do to the suit ABOVE what it can defend itself just by absorbing from energy around it, or how long until the SM freezes EVERYTHING around the suit to the point of making liquid nitrogen out of the atmosphere (to be sure it won't just reheat from the environment farther away too fast)
The latter would work because it worked in the intro of the third game (If I'm not mistaken) when the caracter was frozen inside the suit and it put him in a coma-like state.
Just to be clear about this, I just recently discovered WH40K, so don't expect me to fully understand what an SM chapter can do
Oh no, the space marines would NEVER betray all they know and.. oh, wait.
Canonically the biggest and most influential betrayers in the entire setting. Their treachery is literally the lynch pin origin of the core 40k plotline. SIXTY FOUR published volumes of how they fucked basically EVERYTHING up, because they decided to turn traitor en-mass.
"Muh spes marines are soooo loyal, they would never..."
Men, when we going to get an Warhammer movie?
I'm still concerned for it what if they pull a Kathleen Kennedy and abuse loopholes in their contract to superimpose woke agenda
I want one so bad but at the same time I'd rather they didnt make a movie than it being full of woke, transgender and other crap, warhammer is the best fictional universe out there by far and it deserves some perfect execution when it comes to the big screen.
Well just wait for Henry Cavill to finish cooking whatever he is with Amazon for Warhammer, we will either get a Movie or a Series or maybe both
@@2Based23Don’t worry, Henry Cavill got you covered as he is making a Warhammer live action series or maybe movie on Amazon and he is the executive producer if I’m not mistaken.
@@FriedPork-cw5fhremember how the Witcher fucked his views in the show? Amazon is just like Netflix in their desire to change the setting for their own gains, and example to it is LOTR
Do a video on the chief librarian from each legion.
I legit want a movie about Azek Ahriman 😩
Geez tell me you hate the Tau without telling me
To be fair - Ultramarines have some decent plot armor... Lamenters on the other hand...
their first mistake was calling geneseed "dna"
More likely to ally with some of the less radical chapters in the face of a common enemy, and while fighting together the astartes may realize these xenos are not a open threat to humanity and maybe collaborate, I immagine the Salamanders given their interest in tecnology and reluctance to endanger the civilians would be the best choice to find common ground.
They actually did try to convince a space marine to join the greater good. They tried talking to him, they had a turned commissar talk to him, and when that didn't work they tried to brainwash him. When they looked in his mind all they got was his name and the phrase "you will not break my will" . After a while it turned to "I will do my duty." And that marine then gave himself a double heart attack and killed the 20 tau sifting through his mind. Unfortunately the Tau trying to turn a marine will never work as space marine indoctrination makes them see Xenos as little more than animals. Like dogs.
Grey Knights find common ground with anyone trying to kill demons, so they could work too.
Would love to see the tau get a real good look at a custodes though. Just see one on the battlefield and really *understand* the age, the standards, the abilities of this one dude and then be told there's thousands of them.
@@rivencraft1734 that would probably spell disaster becouse while the tau know nothing of geneseed and astartes training the custodes are the peak of genecraft tecnology, if they realize what a custodes can do both mentaly and physicaly and manage by sheer luck to get a custodes corpse or just grab a sample of DNA they could replicate or just unlock who knows how many secrets since in tau society there is no one to prevent study on whatever can give an advantage.
@@rivencraft1734 the Tau are amazing at displaying how horrifyingly old the humans are in 40k. It's always a joy
@@rivencraft1734Grey knights also turn around and murder anyone in the area afterwards or enslave, neuter and replace the population of that world to prevent secrets or the formation of cults so that alliance would be short lived. But you are right I would love to see the tau reaction to a custodes then the custode to agree with a lot of the tau mindset.
They should build "for the greater Kroot" super birds.
They suck at it... For now! But all they need is a Tau primarch
This is impossible as the primarchs were made by the Emperor, other perpetuals, a team of geneticists and still needed to make a deal with all 4 chaos gods to make it happen. The tau have no presence in the Warp, the Chaos gods won't care about them at all... let alone them having perpetuals...
Could they start building a enhanced _Tau_ SuperSoldier from the ground up, just using Astartes as an inspiration?
As for the Tau sucking at genetics, they developed bioweapons that devastated Tyranid Hive fleets.
That shows some skill in biotechnology.
And with their rapid technological progress they might be able to advance very fast if they put their minds to it. Having seen the benifits and success of Imperium biotechnology and genetics they might go all in on improving their species - that seems a very Tau thing to do, no doubt with some hidden dark secret, such as secret controls and modifying other species without their knowledge to better serve The Greater Good (and the power of the Ethereals).
having tau also have a space marine-ish type unit is just unoriginal
@@shinhook2k280 yeah, i agree, their whole schtick is that they are weak individuals who compensate their weakness with technology and mechs, they dont need a supersoldier team that is so overused.
T'au super soldiers would be closer to Thunder Warriors of all things, with more focus on pumping them full of drugs and fucking with their brains with the chips they use
@@shinhook2k280 yep for game balance.
I was thinking more in terms of how such a society would respond.
But that would involve someone in 40k being rational.....
So intersting thing but bear in mind this is from a book so whether its canon is up in the air. Spoilers for the book War of Secrets.
So O'Kais was part of Shadowsuns fleet that went through the Startide Nexus and was frozen in statsis as Tau do. However something malfunctioned and while his body was in statsis, his mind was active and the earth caste engineers fed him simluation after simulation until he basically had a plan for everything. They then parked him in a Ghostkeel and he infiltrated a fortress monastry (yeah i know thats a little much but too be fair he got information from a dark angel on how to get in (long story) and most of the chapter was away and it was a chapter that was sort of fuedal. ). Anyways he managed to take out multiple marines and escape though granted alot of that was due to the suit. Regardless its an interesting idea for a tau super soilder thats plays into their strenghts that being their technology. Maybe throw in some nano tech aswell and its got potential
40K fandom is on the levels of swifties
Genuinely surprised they even wounded a single Astartes, ESPECIALLY one of the blueberries.
If I remembered correctly it was due to genuine confusion on the ultramarines part.
The Tau Marines were armored in scavenged Ultramarine armor and so when they attacked Sicarius tried to subdue one while screaming friendly fire
It wasn't until he noticed their silence and battle stance that he realized they weren't true Astartes
Tau weapons tear through Astartes like tissue paper.
Frankly the Imperial Guard are a better choice to fight the Tau because your less likely to lose a veteran of a hundred campaigns to some random private who managed to get an Astartes in their iron sights.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 That makes sense- when you'll get one-tapped either way, might as well go the volume route to overwhelm
Tau: Sorry, we chose not to live in constant aganizing pain.
Tau never get any respect lol even this short has its jeering remarks squeezed in
That last line is kind of bogus. They didn't have the gene scene, something that was created by the Emperor of mankind but yet they created something very very close based on scraps of DNA that got from the transhuman corps and made something so lifelike and realistic that it actually made the ultramarine uncomfortable how scarily close the space blueberries were able to get
It's the typical brain dead anti-Tau bias. As always. Just painfully childishly stupid, to the point of even being quite backwards in regards to the tale it's telling, as usual.
Basically they made Dark Troopers from SW.
Water Caste reading stolen schematics: okay so apparently we need to put this organ behing the pancreas
Earth Caste: ...behind the WHAT??
Water Caste: dude idk
The Tau are just too young and naive.
Give em a hundred thousand years or so
Tau advance so fast that I think only a hundred years would be enough for them to do some crazy shit.
@@1YCARADOFACAO Modern Humanity went from the bronze age to the contemporary era in 5,000 years or so. With a life expectancy half that of humanity? The T'au actually seem to advance relatively slowly.
Give em a hundred thousand years. they are already extinct and didn't even reach a thousand years
@@thanatos5150 The bronze age isn't even close to the start of modern humans though. The first stone tool use by hominins was over 3 million years ago. The first evidence of modern humans using fire and more complex stone tools dates back 200,000 years. Considering the first encounter with early Tau reported them being on a similar level to stone age humans, having just discovered fire. 6,000 years later, they've got advanced mech suits, near light speed space travel and multiple star systems under their control. Even if current humans could somehow reach that level of technology in a hundred years, Tau would still have advanced way, way faster. Tau reached that level of technology in just 3% of the time, or over 33 times faster than humans. And that's very optimistic for humanity, as I doubt we'd reach even a single of those milestones within a hundred years.
Thanks to the writers, the Imperium encountered Tau when they had just surpassed the Imperium's technology in most aspects. If they had gone unnoticed for another 1000 years, they would probably have technology that'd put even Necrons and Eldar to shame.
@@thanatos5150 Didin't the Tau went from the stone age to space age in like 1000 years during a storm of chaos?
If ive learned one thing about space marines in general it's that recruiting them is 100% on the table.
Tau Empire ducks around with cloning, Space Marines.
*Bobby G desires to know your location. Do you comply, or do you run?*
Bashes gundams, proceeds to use his own nail polish to paint his tiny figurines.
I wonder what could happen if one of these guys decided to leave the Tau and join the Imperium?
Maybe he joins the guardsmen?
Can he still have kids?
That would require the Imperium relenting on their "Zero Xeno" policy. The break away Tau would likely be murdered on sight. He would have more chance attempting to integrate into one of the Hive worlds in exchange for a life of servitude to one of the Overlords
@@MrLegendseeka If I understood the video correctly, the guy is a human but made like a Space Marine by the Tau.
@@MrLegendseekaYeah, the video said “human clones”
Created by Xeno hands, an imperfect clone of an Astartes and thus a Mutant, and having never basked in the light of the Emperor curses them as a Heretic. They would be killed the moment their artificial nature is revealed.
aren't their mechs essentially their space marines? i feel like giving tau space marines v2 is just boring and uninteresting
Oh no a prototype inferior copy that got scrapped after getting dunked on by the real thing
@@Cthulhuwarlord .. i mean them figuring out how to make like their own gene-engineered warriors like astartes...
Would it really make that much of a difference, it's just an attribute.
@@nmr7203 I think we have enough of space marines in 40k
@@shinhook2k280 and they haven’t been used since then as Tau have zero experience genetically engineering anything. It’s a dead end
Considering the imperium can't even make their own artificial space marines It seems like kind of a silly question
Tried to take on humanities breath of hope mantle and instead got the Orks comic relief one
If memory serves the tau tried the recruit a space marine and it blow up in there faces spectacularly
To be fair they went against a ultramarine
Deeznuts
tHE gREATEST oF tHEM aLL
Ah, so much plot armour it almost got dubbed as a new mark...
I guess you could say their plot armor Ward(ed) off any unfavorable outcomes.
You're gonna love this, but I do believe it was actually Cato Sicarius' unit as well
That and keep in mind that space marines are also trained for a lot of years doing mission before becoming one, so experience there too
Imagine the shame that the space marine who got wounded by the Fake Marines. Like, "Damn it, they were able to scratch me?"
If I'm remembering the book correctly, it was only due to surprise. The fake marines were also wearing Ultramarine armor, so when the fight kicked off the real marines were confused and calling out friendly fire instead of fighting back because they thought it was a mistake and didn't want to kill their own.
Astartes just straight up fuckin: "Skill issue"
This is why the tau are my favorite. They have so much room to grow.
I remember when they did recruit a chapter of space marines. Before the retcon
A better question is why have the Imperium of man not recruited the Kreigs marines as Astartes when their such fantastic fighters?
Maybe cuz most of them are clones :/ maybe some wonky shit happened if they forced those clones to be space marine
"We've been genetically modifying things since the times of grocery stores, and yet you've only started now. You will lose this fight."
The Tau need a buff in the lore fr, their the only major faction that get shit on all the time for no reason besides "why not"
It's not even funny anymore at this point, why even keep them around o
If their whole purpose is to be laughed at
They’re the only “sci if” aesthetic faction. That goes full HAM with Japanese mechs. That’s literally their whole thing, doesn’t mean they’ve gotta be powerful in lore. They just look cool
@user-rs9bc4qr2s Maybe they don't have to be powerful
But they are still a major and important to the lore faction
I would love if they got something more
Here's the thing. The dumb Imperium fanboys constantly shit on the Tau and spread inaccurate memes, but in terms of actual lore the Tau are actually kicking ass. Let me be frank when I say that 90% of everything you've ever hear about the Tau in videos like this, is pretty much misinformation and bullshit, or otherwise presented in a way that tries to make the Tau sound lame, but really does no such thing once the schoolboy jeering is taken away.
The people making this stuff don't actually read Tau books. They just play an eternal game of "telephone" or "chinese whispers" where they typically start with a real Tau lore excerpt, and then circle jerk trying to make it sound bad until you get the result you see here. Quite often they take even major Tau victories, and then misrepresent the hell out of it, to act like it was a Tau loss. Other times its based on some random quote from an Imperial Commisar, who knows fuck all about the Tau, and is just repeating in-world propoganda.
So whilst the galaxy is full of scary horrors, and the Tau naturally have a rough time upon first meeting them, basically every encounter has been a story of the Tau heroically overcoming it and continuing to expand. Vs the Imperium specifically, the Tau are the aggressor, having conquered dozens of Imperial worlds, whilst the Imperium desperately engages in stall tactics and scorched earth, lacking the forces to pull away from other even more desperate fronts.
The entire "problem" about the Tau, isn't that they're "a joke". It's that the vast majority of the fanbase has literally never interacted with any first hand source or lore about them, and is about as knowledgeable on them as a hive world urchin is, and with the same degree of naive childish bias too.
@@UnknownSquid True most people don't care about the Tau or their lore and its obvious they don't even try to understand anything about them because of a dumb childish baised against them
It's also true that the Tau have more problems than the other factions because the Tau are the canonicaly youngest faction and don't know much as of yet, they have to learn and grow but if Humanity can just get past every obstacles through sheer will and numbers alone than the Tau shouldn't have that many problems, especially because of their scientific advancements and ability to learn and adapt quickly
I just generally feel like the Tau are heavily underrepresented and are often thrown curve balls and Games workshops is to afraid of community backlash to do anything with them because the Tau are the most disliked faction for basically no reason
@@_Chaosnight_ Well they're a small faction in terms of their presence and impact on the galactic scene, so I'm not surprised they don't get that much representation from GW. But yeah, as you can tell, the childish way the wider 40k community regards them is what bothers me the most.
I'd say that the most under-represented faction is probably the Eldar. They're a very important faction with both enormous amounts of history, and a basically galaxy spanning area of influence and involvement in the setting. And yet you barely see or hear anything at all about them.
Though, perhaps it's better to be dismissively ignored, than brainlessly mocked.
"One wounded ultramarine" sounds like David Ward
brother they went up against the smurfs, you don't beat the smurfs GW would never allow it
I could imagine some renegade Space Marine working for the Tau as mercenaries or privateers but would likely ditch them the moment someone with a bigger bank account makes them an offer.
The tau, arguably the good guys of 40k 🤣
So...they learned how to clone the wish version of a space marine.
Space Marines are way beyond Tau tech, just like all the higher tech imperial stuff.
The Tau has better average tech used than the imperium, but the imperium has even managed to make a bit of webway. That is way beyond all but the ancient empires, like the Necrons, Eldar and Old Ones.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't all imperial tech just reused old human tech so technically while the empire has some better tech things(though I would even argue with that as some things might be more powerful but have so many drawbacks that it becomes less effective) they can't really make them themselfs so loosing some of the cool shit they have is an almost irreplaceable loss.
@Velatus5978 it is more complicated than that. Some tech they cannot replace, most of this is from 30k. Some is older. But most by far is stuff where nobody alive has the skills to make it and/or the necessary facilities are damaged beyond repair.
They do develop some new high tier tech, this is mostly via cawl and people like him.
Most tech they can still make.
You mean they even managed to steal a bit of webway. Lol
@@slickrick873 Nope, they made a bit of their own webway in order to create a corridor/breach into the rest of the webway so they could take over.
Lore wise, I can only imagine how absolutely and pissed off the astartes were at seeing dollar tree clones of themselves. As in marine goes into fuck you mode and solos all of them.
"The Tau suck at genetic modification"
**Saves an entire planet from genestealer virus**
Nah m8, they're just playing plot armour for Space Marines cuz in reality, the Tau could replicate everything.
They also made a lot of bio weapons to counter the Tyranids. Were a lot of them just nanotech? Yes but they still have potent genetic technology
Maybe the Tau should make a deal with the Dark Eldar to assist in genetic manipulation. Iykyk 😈
"The Tau just fundamentally suck at anything" - Majorkill
Every day there's a new brainless dose of misinformation about the Tau dumped into the internet. It's endlessly tiresome. -_-
@@UnknownSquid
To be fair, we are the Imperium 40000 years in the past, this is the equivalent of anti-Tau propaganda
Seeing what it took to create primarchs, and from there branch to each chapter of marines…
Yeah, the Tau would have their very own warp disaster to try and create them, just like the Eldar and Humans.
The Tau Space Marine art looks hella cool.
That one injured Spacemarine was probably so damn embarrassed
"Why haven't the Tau created Space Marines" Because if they did the Imperium would see it as one of the ultimate heresies possible and view it as reason to dedicate real resources to destroying the Tau.
they still came close , by a small margin but still close, with enough research they could make their own geneseeds using some of tau greatest warriors
Could you imagine if the tau could make geneseed, I’d reckon with how archaic the imperium are in keeping their geneseed and with time became mutated or straight up defective. The tau could easily make arguably better quality
Considering it's something made by the emperor, and alot of the "special sauce" that fundamentally goes into the space marines comes from the primarchs which he needed to get from the chaos gods, I doubt they could ever make any, even now tbh
The thing is geneseed comes from the primarchs and they're also made to be used on humans. So assuming they want to use it on themselves, they would have to figure out how to do that. Its probably more worth it to just focus on their mechs.
Impossible literally impossible for they don't have resources and they would instantly be extinct the moment the Imperium finds out about it and launches a crusade.
@@AdeptKing so think of it this way, they’re not held back by the admech and the wider imperium by keeping gene stocks restricted, they can quite possibly replicate, hell even cloned, they have proven themselves to have the resources to do so
The Emperor made the Primarchs and by extension Geneseed after msking and then breaking a deal with the chaos gods. I doubt the Ethereals or Farsight would want anything to do with them especially after recent events.
As for them reverse engineering geneseed... why? The process of making space marines is long,costly snd straight up barbaric. Why go through all that trouble when they can just keep mass producing better battle suits and arm their ground soldiers with weapons that can penetrate SM armor? Hell they can have better results by just keep feeding dead Marines to the Kroot.
Astartes tau armor looks dope af
For those who don't want to waste a minute: "I'm going to shit on the T'au because that's what everyone does. Look at me, I'm making fun of the T'au."
They do suck
their mistake was trying to fight the ultramarines-the plot armor is too strong for any xenos faction to penetrate
That is because the T'au specialise in technological superiority with their battle suits. They do not need genetic manipulation to be an impressive war machine. 😎
Mass produce crisis suit and armed every fire warrior
This is the biggest stupid plot hole that everyone is just going along with. Space marines turn to chaos. Space Marines even go renegade.. Yes it takes a lot to make them turn against the imperium, but it’s not impossible, and it happens all the time. It would actually make a lot of sense if an entire chapter started supporting the Tau. Especially if they understood the fact that Tau starve chaos due to their low presence in the warp.
And any non-tau species in their Empire ruins that “starving” so they would have to genocide humans, like they did on a few occasions by the way, so no, space marine wouldnt sign up on exterminating his own species on behest of a xeno.
Oh in fact Chaos space marines are often even more xenophobic than basic ones, they look down on literally any non-human species as unworthy worms.
The tau's answer to everything to fighting can be sumed up in two words "pew pew"
Female custodis:❌❎✖️
Space marines joining tau:😭 yes please
The space marine will disembowel the tau before they get a single word out
The Tau sucks.
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all i heard was “the tau just suck and it shows”
My brother in law was talking my ear off about how much he loves the Tau and their society in Warhammer 40k. Shit was annoying.
Now to be fair, Tau society is the only one in 40K that actually is flourishing.
Too bad about the whole mindcontrol and caste thing, but Farsight is fixing that with Khorne's help. :P
@@The_Keeperyeah by the use of slaves to do their dirty work and expand total control for more planets and Rinse and repeat. You don't win wars by flourishing, but meeting quotas.
Just like every marine cockrider, or Custodes fanboy.
“They can’t even fight in melee!”-Some random golden banana.
And that Ultramarine only got wounded because he was so flabbergasted that any Space Marine would ever shoot at him he hesitated
Space Marines are so hard headed that they straight up are considered impossible to ever convert to the Tau.
The Tau are a tadpole thinking it's powerful just because it's frog legs have started growing
if we have to give Imperium's plotarmor to the Tau it would all end really quick
Now imagine if the tyranids with their genetic mastery combined with tau robotics mastery and created a sort of hybrid space Marine..
Tau realized space Marines are beyond their handling
its kind of cool how the tau experience fighting the imperium is kind of like a reverse x-com
The Gene Seed is like super condensed memetic memory. It's centuries on centuries of combat experience, tactics, and eating breathing and crapping war put into an organ. The Tau will always be silly robot lovers.
Yall sleep on the Tau, they have a level of mystery plot armor lurking behind them...