The Boys Figure out Which Marxist Tendency is Correct
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- This week we all sat down to talk about the uselessness of identifying with a political tendency in our current moment.
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The real tendency was the friends we made into enemies on the way.
my tendency is a guy who’s a liberal that cares about podcasts and debates with other liberals about podcasts
easy, non of them.
Amazing, I watched a couple of Shane Gillis videos where he's talking about Down syndrome and I end up in a Channel with a bunch of guys with down syndrome.
Yawn lol come up with something original
Hey I really like your guy’s approach to marxism. This was a healthy discussion. We need to unite.
Where Can I find more of your guy’s stuff? I have my own blog with a decent following.. id love to chat sometime
This sounds like religion… oh, it is.
Easy, my specific tendency I came up with 5 minutes ago
Have you guys heard of Midwestern Marx?
I may have been recommended this because i have watched MM and The Vanguard, Chapo, etc
you all seem very genuine.I like this a lot
This resonates with me despite being on the “Right.” Don’t want to fed jacket y’all or brown jacket y’all in the eyes of your audience by saying that. I felt like this is similar to conversations I’ve had with my own friends and others online regarding our own “philosophies”and politics and how it all fits into our current historical context.
You have nothing to fear, agent.
@@nudgeunit666 thank you, NudgeBot! o7
Marxsm Leninism obviously. Saved you 57 minutes you are welcome
Cheers mate. Maybe I should still listen to it though, I’ve never understood why there’s an online army that denigrates Trotskyism.
@@latenightlogic they are annoying bro they talk shit of ppl who tried their best and make them out to be traitors just bc they don’t agree with them.they in fight and split among themselves too. And it was Trotsky who broke with democratic centralism in the first place.
Might have to do with how Trotsky tried to work with nazis to overthrow the soviet union in order for him to be put as the head of the state, as well how capitalists loved trotsky for being a "communist" that was opposed to the biggest existential threat to capitalism of its time and he was very happy to write literally anything to slander the ussr and stalin because he just didn't get elected. Long story short, they see him as a petty traitor, opportunist and against the interests of the working class: in short, an enemy. @@latenightlogic
@@latenightlogic because they are teenagers larping as characters in their favorite historical era. If there were no internet to stymie all their creative energies, there would be a really cool historical fiction book series instead.
@@jackp9722 ever considered reading history? Or political economy? Read 20th century history, from all perspectives, read what the Soviets had to say, what the polish socialists had to say, and also read what the eurocommunists had to say or the anti soviet british parties had to say... Read up first and then make your mind.
Read works by actual academics on the class structure and social conditions in the USSR (like the American Sociologist Albert Szymanski, or Political Theorist Michael Parenti, Econophysicist Paul Cockshott, Historians like Jonathan Arthur, Sydney and Beatrice Webb, Carlos Martinez, Vijay Prashad, Economists like Anwar Shaikh, Ben Fine, even David Harvey.
Atleast make an attempt. Don't be childish to believe everything people say, do the reading, take a look at the empirical work and make up your conclusions.
Spoiler: none of them are right
@@buttp0under420 China 🇨🇳 #1 disagrees
@@christophereduardo9903 Every failed communist state disagreed. They still inevitably fail. Communists are masters at being unwilling to accept reality, they put religious zealots to shame.
@@christophereduardo9903are you Brazilian?
People introduce too much complexity into this debate, left and right. All we need to focus on is why is there a left at all if it were not for the excesses of the right wing there need be no left wing. And all the various “isms” are so much Bs to delude and divert focus. All people should focus on is the power, how power is arrived at, what is the nature of the power (political,economic etc), and how that power is being used in whose interests. So forget all the peripheral Bs and focus on cause and effect, big picture stuff. Who was it said that without regular, continual reference to the big picture a less intelligent approach is being taken. Son ask yourself when all the political theories are being expounded, are they trying to wise you up or. dumb you down.
God help us 😂😂
ive read a fair bit of marxist literature and i feel like I understand it. But admittedly i haven’t read that much. Im no expert. not classically trained in marxism . or any subject really . Didn’t finish university. I am a postal worker. but i am very curious and love reading and stuff.
Nothing that starts with coercion is ever good.
You are the perfect Marxist- he wanted an under-educated proletariat that was outraged at these things, these factors of reality, so good on you
How many of you have a job?
Annoying conservative detected
@@ludviglidstrom6924 Well, how many of them do you think?
some leftists people online are more concerned with power and social stature. you guys really seem like you genuinely in the fight. I can sense it. I want to be apart of whatever you guys are doing. not to invite myself lol
Marxism has existed behind closed doors for a large group of minorities and workers, although it really isn't a doctrine, but an observation that lends us the possibility of resolving conflicts within an economic system should that system be governed by the workers.
The irony of Marxism is that the solution isn't crystal clear as to how this is accomplished for the long term, as just identifying the problems involved with Capitalist Democracy doesn't quell them, as they are problems inherent to human nature.
Funny how it hasn't delivered the workers in to anything better. In fact its growing influence has only taken more and more freedoms from the working classes.
So if you're simply for the interests of the working class, then opposing capital seems to have limited utility.
In my day to day life it seems like the state that is my biggest problem. It takes around half my income, if not more, and limits me at all turns. It seems like the force that is gradually reducing us all back to serfdom. How useful is Marx in combatting this threat? It seems like the focus on capital, while part of the picture, leaves a huge blindspot when it comes to the state. And in an era of ubiquitous surveillance and mass peer to peer communication, isn't a theorist from the 1800's going to be somewhat lacking?
No, Marx recognizes the state as a creature of the ruling class. The state is a capitalist state. Marx was not a fan of the state.
well the state is little more than the child of the economic process. that's like fundamental marxist principle. capitalism has birthed the current state, and the current state then upholds the economic process
By marxist definition, the state is that which one class uses to oppress the other class in their conflicting economic interests. A little reading goes a long way, lol.
Read anything from marx. He addresses the state. Many people apply marx to modern day struggles. While he didn't talk about bitcoin or the surveillance of modern technology it sure can be analysed through his philosophy.
Assuming that you are a wage labourer, your income in the first place is already a form of theft on your labour. And even though Marx got things wrong like LTV or the proletariat as a revolutionary subject, Marxism as a socioeconomic critic remain enduring to this day.
This was a very interesting podcast - I'm relatively new to communist theory, but have called myself a communist since I was about 16/17 just based on the idea it represented. It's like one of you said (sorry very new to this channel) I am for whatever gets the working class mobilised, but I will always be a communist. My dream is to see a communist society in action around the world, especially being a second gen immigrant from a third world country, and doing the work now. Thanks for this, made me think a lot about how naming tendencies really doesn't matter - what is the end goal we are working towards is what really matters
Lmao is this bait? You guys can't be serious.
Like politics and religion the ideas are very good. Butin practice it's not sustainable