Jensen has sold his soul a long time ago, hes been doing his best to evade AI sanctions on china to sell his crap to them. Jensen cares about money, not democracy, human rights or morals.
This right here. Gamers are no longer profitable like corps and other institutions are now with the huge demand for AI capable chips. Looks like intel dropped into the gpu scene at the right time and evga's pullout from making gpu is starting to make a lot more sense given how nvidia most likely will try to abandon their gaming segment or at least greatly rein it in.
You mean can't. We absolutely would run those massive cards if we could afford to, and the gigantic 16K screens the size of your wall they could power ;)
@@nonaurbizniz7440 I think you've misunderstood. Gaming is definitely profitable for them. Extremely profitable in fact. But this presentation wasn't for consumers, it was for shareholders and customers for their server products. They will still be releasing 50 and 60 series cards.
When the bubble bursts Jensen will act like he was always Mr Gamer. It's just how it goes in the corporate world where Investors need constant reassurance and coddling. There are those who think it's not a bubble, but after it bursts the same clowns will come out of the woodworks claiming it was so obvious.
That's the reality of this world that's all. Nvidia and Jensen never were your friends guys. They sold you a product you needed, you paid for it and game with it, we were happy and yes it worked nicely for 2 decades. But now for the same silicon area, they can create chips for AI that will sell for much much more than a GPU for gamer would. And oh surprise, in this world driven by profit, they don't care that much about gamers anymore and jump into the next wagon. I mean, some gamers were seriously thinking that those big corporations are your friends or reward your loyalty? AI also has an impact on productivity, businesses, companies using it plan to make money. Gaming is just entertainment, that's why B2B will always earn more in that field. While I like gaming, I think some gamers become a bit too entitled regarding their position, especially the DIY gamers. We are nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the AI market. That's sad but a good return to earth.
A ton of people in the comments here think like this , they either think they care about your loyalty, or they care about some gamer's piss-ant dollars "to vote with" , they don't
"Nvidia and Jensen never were your friends guys." What company is? I don't like them because they are 'my friend'. I like them because they are innovating new areas of computing. And you can't say they didn't do that. They've definitely added to our level of technology. You're projecting your own AMD fanboyism (because they're cheap so obviously 'your friend') onto a group of people that would have liked AMD, Intel, or any other company that was pushing tech this far. Maybe learn to love the underlying engineering and science and stop being so emotional about it all.
@@Veritas.0 Oh don't get me wrong there is no problem with your mind set, it just means you are a reasonable person. But look at the rest of the comments in this video. A high number of people feel "betrayed" or think they are going to boycott them to teach Nvidia a lesson and whatsoever. These ones were the ones I was targeting.
This is basically like telling a homeless person to just buy a home 4head. Of course they want and are trying to do that, it's more an issue of how they can do it, because the gaming market at large seem to be in a phase of vocally objecting to nvidia, while simultaneously continuing to buy their products.
By doing WHAT exactly? What do you propose? They could try to get aggressive with pricing, but they can only cut the prices so much before having to sell GPUs at cost, which they are not willing to do. Even if they can grow their discrete graphics "market share" by cutting margins low, there's no guaruntee that this will buy them any meaningful amount of brand loyalty. They have so many other product categories that they make a lot more money with, so they really don't care that much about aggressively buying market share in the consumer GPU segment.
I think they are focused on their CPUs right now. I wish they'd focus more on their GPU tech like improving FSR and putting those RDNA3 ai instructions to work. If it wasn't for the VRAM I'd have bought a 4070 instead of the 7800 XT, but for 50-100 dollars more the 4070 wasn't worth it with the reduced VRAM and lesser performance.
AMD is to focused on the AI market to care about gamers. Only cards they announced where workstation/professional/AI GPUs. They can't even be bothered to spend money to improve their upscaler, have actual RT hardware. Nvidia has done way more for gamers in the last 5 years than any other brand. Continuous upgrades to DLSS, very good latency reduction (Reflex), tools to mod and update old games (Remix), tools to improve HDR on PC games (RTX HDR), tools to add modern features to games (RTX IO and Streamline). No idea how they can be the leader in every metric, and leading the way in developing tools and technology to help game developers and still have people saying they don't care about gamers. Sure they have a big focus on AI, but that's every tech company right now. Nvidia didn't give up on gamers, the offer the best product for every metric (raster, RT, upscaling, GPU compute). Everyone else gave up, because they don't want to spend the money, time and resources that it would take to catch up.
Worth pointing out that Radeon had 120FPS recording before Nvidia. People constantly harp on about AMD needing to take initiative but even when they do it gets underplayed. 🤷🏿♂️ The HDR recording isn't setup right tho.
AMD tech never works right. If their bean counters were competent at pricing the GPUs right instead of trying to persist the COVID prices, they wouldn't be a incompetent dog s.hit company in my mind. Everyone wants AMD to beat Nvidia, but AMD isn't your friend. Only fan boys like you want AND to win. But AMD more wants to join Nvidia in how much they can corner the market. So stop making things like AMD vs Nvidia. AMD isn't worth it.
He is right, though. NVIDIA is a datacenter and ML company first and foremost for well over a decade already. Gaming products are in fact just a small part of their business. Kind of like selling books for Amazon.
@@berkertaskiran no, it was not niche before ChatGPT. If anything, despite the hype, LLVMs like ChatGPT still are just a relatively small part of ML industry.
In business school, "Gaming Market" is what they call as niche market. Its like hearing about cutting edge coffee and tea maker machine production revenue income. Its just providing some hobbyist industry some toys to play with. The real money is in those AI tool stuff that being sold to those data companies. They processing colossal size datasets from multiple API sources, to be analyzed hourly for various big clients. The clients that will pay for unimaginable money to get inputs about their market situation.
2:28 they arent gonna do that because they would have to cut perfectly good dies down to get 4 core parts since the yields on chiplets are so good, so using cheaper old node parts as their lower end for similar price with more cores is their choice.
There's no incentive for nvidia to keep going with gaming gpus for multiple reasons: 1. AI is making them FAR more money than gaming gpus are, so they can drop their gaming division with no losses. 2. AMD has a long history of not captitalizing on opportunities handed to them on a silver platter. 3. AMD stepping away from the high-end market will make AMD a non-competitor to Nvidia if their price-to-performance isn't competitive.
There's little incentive for AMD to keep pushing finite resources in the high-end gaming market against the R&D budget of a 2-trillion-dollar company when AI is also FAR more profitable use of TSMC's limited and expensive cutting-edge process technologies. Sure, it's in AMD's interest keep some presence in the gaming market.
The selling point to the PSVR is the features you don’t get from other VR setups. Without bringing the features, the only market is existing PSVR owners. It’s a shame that it won’t be supported, I think some devs would probably update games to support the extra features.
50% market share by ARM within 5 years... yeah good luck with that. For gamers to buy ARM cpu, you would need better performance than X3D or intel cpu. And so far ARM cpus have all been weak sauce.
Gamer only tiny part of pc market. When my company doing pc upgrade they did not buy machine with i9 or Ryzen 7 in it. They just get one with i3 12100 in it. If ARM performance can improve into decent level then don't be surprise low end machine will get more popular with ARM options.
@@arenzricodexd4409 How poor your company is. Everyone knows CPU is as important as GPU. I do a lot of video rendering. cheap CPU is always much slower than a premium one. don't save money on CPU and GPU.
@@arenzricodexd4409 I said video rendering. with ChatGPT. You don't need too powerful CPU. I use 13700K which is the best value for the performance now. I bought it for $260 and 13900K cost like $499 and only 24% faster but almost double the price.
When a GPU costs x2 or x3 times the average salary in the country where you live in, you can't get excited anymore. Let's see if the Mage will do Battle, for Intel.
Of course money is more important. Without it you can't fund R&D and pay the employee salary. Gaming market have always been brutal. Nvidia have always want to diverse more since the early 2000s. 3DFX end up biting the dust, Imagination leaving the pc market all because how brutal gaming market are.
I don't understand how this surprises anyone. GPUs have been outdoing any sort of gaming needs for a long time, billions are not being invested into R&D for gaming but precisely for what Jensen was presenting in the talk. My takeaway watching his presentation was: shit, I was wrong not buying more of their stock thinking it was already overvalued, the damn thing is shockingly still undervalued! Every bit of his talk pointed to immense revenue potential Nvidia has just started to really tap into and sustainable high double digit growth for several more years to come. There is no gaming GPU he can show that would be nearly as impressive as what he did present.
Man, anyone else hardly even come across FSR 3.0 in games? And they're talking about 3.1, I feel like there's someone out there trying to prevent us from having nice things, most new releases will likely only just have FSR 2 and while some games will get updated to use DLSS frame Gen they likely don't do the same for FSR
NIVIDIA better be makinf some decently priced and capable gaming hardware after they practically made themselves the standard for professional software workflows. Specifically 3D applications.
Look, everyone in the comments seem to be upset that Nvidia "betrayed their roots" but be real for a moment - they're a company. Their job is to make as much money as possible. None of them ever gave a shit how you feel - that includes all the rest, intel, amd, etc. A lot of people are probably too young to remember this, but at one point apple was in so much trouble Bill Gates actually decided to help them out and essentially saved them - even steve jobs said that. Now apple is one of the biggest companies in the world do you think they gave a shit about how microsoft saved their ass back then? About all the people who stuck with them through the hard times? Hell no. The only companies that actually care about their customers are those that are small enough to be personally in contact with their customers. They have a reason to make sure they maintain good relations. Big corpos that make trillions? You're just a statistic to them.
That's why he knows gaming market are brutal. Many his rival in gaming market back in the 90s no longer exist. The one that still exist they need to give them "life support" else nvidia will become pure monopoly.
Trying to forget its own root is such a disgusting behavior. The 1999 GeForce 256 is 256-bit QuadPipe Rendering Engine. Yes, Nvidia took off as a game card designer.
Gaming market is a very brutal one. There are many other company that compete on the same field as nvidia back in the 90s. Where are they now? And gamer does not care about them one bit.
23:50 no, it most certainly means frame generation. There has never been a game that claimed to have DLSS 3.5/3.7 that did not have frame generation. Name one, I'll wait.
I think you might be misunderstanding Nvidia's focus. They didn't talk about gaming at the conference because there isn't anything new to announce in that area right now. When they have new gaming products or updates, I'm sure they'll share them. The emphasis on AI reflects the current priorities and advancements happening within the company, and they have a lot to showcase in that domain at the moment.
Look at it this way. There is limited silicon wafer output but an ever growing demand for gaming gpu AND AI capable chips. What would be more profitable for nvidia? Using up a portion of the wafer supply to make gaming gpu which sell for only a fraction of what they can get out of corporate and scientific sales. I'm actually surprised they still make gaming gpu at all given the difference in profit levels.
@13:30 151mm "height" of gpu seems ridicolous, even with Cable Clearance. I have the biggest SFF Coolermaster NR200 and my 138mm height 4070ti Eagle OC Rev1.0 fits barely. From the Papers it would have 16mm cable clearance. Im pretty sure a 4090 would have burned if it has only 16mm for the cable bending.
Proper Fallout 2 remake will absolutely shake modern standards of acceptable levels of violence and adult content in games. I've played original Fallout 2, there was alot of things that are prohibited in modern games like violence towards children or shooting in adult movies.
If you're getting 10 times the revenue from one sector rather than the other, it's no surprise really. The writing was on the wall for a couple of years now. They have no reason to give upon gaming but it'll be like "it's 100$ more expensive, take it or leave it" because the same wafers can go for insane profit margins instead. And no AMD won't rush in to fill it up because they're actively trying to do the same thing.
Nvidia would do everyone a favour by just leaving the PC gaming market at this point. Their monopoly is stifling their competition from investing into more powerful cards because they know Nvidia will just undercut them and destroy any new product AMD or Intel develops in order to compete. Same with Sony and Microsoft in the console market, they need to leave it to smaller companies who only focus on gaming to return to the market (like Sega). These companies get (or are) too big and greedy, all of them.
Look, we need to stop beating around the bush when it comes to Nvidia and AI. For just one Nvidia DGX BG200 they can probably ask more than they can for 10000 5090s. At a far, far lower cost to them. That server can have at most 576 cards in it. And they're gauging the corporate clients for all they have. Why would they talk about GPUs for gamers when most gamers are and will remain on midrange GPU that cost around 500-650 a pop?
Idk how we got the "embarrassed" part. It makes it seem like Nvidia is actively against their gaming audience which is far from the truth. They are heavily investing into AI since it makes insane amounts of money and gaming is obviously not their priority number one rn. No need to make up things to enrage your audience for engagement.
Considering how big advance in Ai have been, still it hasn't generated any substantial profit in ANY company. This bubble gonna burst eventually. Sure there will be uses for it but this idea that AI does everything is an illusion.
AI has 10x profit margins and also 5x revenue as gaming. It makes no sense to even think about investing time and effort into gaming right now. Also, the state of modern gaming is so bad that every self-respecting gamer reverted back into playing retro stuff, or has found a different hobby.
AMD is continuing to release am4 cpus in order to promote the possible longevity of AM5. Theyre capturing 2 "markets" with that move... The am4 owners and the new pc builders. A 2600 owner could probably get a decent price build going for a new intel setup but a new am4 cpu will be a better deal and if they want more performance then they are more likely to go amd just because they see that am4 CPUs are still available years later. They may lose a bit of am5 sales due to people upgrading on am4 but the overall perspective is positive for am5.
TBH the biggest issue here is that we don't have enough fabs to produce the chips. Nvidia is sacrificing profit every time it sells a gaming GPU. It just is. Because it cannot produce chips fast enough to saturate the AI market. Sorry for the bad news
13:17 Lol, even the 4090 FE doesn't fit this. Nvidia basically saying don't get a damn 4090 into a SFF. Thankfully I have a brain of my own and I don't have to comply to the crap people s**t out.
Everyone deserves getting price-gouged after drinking the Nvidia raytracing kool-aid pushed by these youtubers. Smoothbrains bought midrange x060 cards to play raytraced games in less than 20fps, good job hyping Nvidia crap, same story when they pushed physx and tesselation and all the superfluous crap you guys swallowed heartily. Choke on the prices now 😂.
Amd capitalizing on longevity is really great for people who most likely wont want to upgrade everything, and has all the wprking parts of am4 and just wanted to change the cpu hope the do it on am5,6,,7 chips too saves people from buying mobo
Being able to massively overcharge corporations is always going to be more profitable. A $10k entry-level GPU is always going to win out against $400. I have a hunch though that AI isn't going to play out the way these tech companies hope.
Overall, it's in Nvidia's best interest to keep quiet on gaming as long as they can. Especially while they are primarily competing with themselves. The closer you get to a next generation for gamers, the more they'll want to hold off on buying. Also the longer they hold off, the less time AMD has to react to whatever they are doing.
I think they don't really care since regardless of what they do, the are still many people buy their GPU even the price is high. That is one of the reason the price is keep going up gen by gen. Plus, AI is making them XXB of dollars, of course they will focus more on it...💲💲💰💰
I don't particularly care for a Bethesda-style Fallout 2 remake, I would however kill for a Diablo 2 Resurrected-style Fallout 2 remake. Like an actual remake preserving the original's aesthetic.
Nvidia shouldn't care about Gaming. That SUCKS for gamers but business is business. They make BILLIONS with AI. ANYONE who runs a company would do the same.
unreal engine nowadays is used just as much by hollywood for making cgi in movies as it is used in games, so he can say that they are associated with hollywood instead of video games, but looking at how bad hollywood is these days, perhaps its more embarrassing to be associated with hollywood than video games.
I love how people think the work on AI computing by AMD and Nvidia et al won't help their gaming. Yes, all this extra money to develop their GPUs and general technology and an increase in total computing, will have no positive impact on the entire industry and the technology used for your PC. They'll actually develop a sub-standard technology exclusively for your consumer graphics cards and there won't be any relation between the two product lines. Just like the last hard drive, doesn't help gamers because it's made for servers and Oculink is too, which is obviously useless for the PC market. Our tech has always trickled down from the server market. Indeed, this is how technology works full stop. That GPS on your phone? It wasn't developed so that we could all find the local supermarket. The World Wide Web? Tim Berners Lee didn't create that at CERN to share cat videos. TLDR; know where your towel is, and don't panic.
NGL, nvidia GPUs are better overall, but with such disposition, my next upgrade will be either Intel or AMD. In fact, my current GPU *is* a 6900XT, which is also the first non-nvidia card I purchased in 17 years. However, that was more because of miner-driven inflation of the 2020-2021 than any other reason. But seeing how things are going, I say screw nvidia, let them travel IBM route.
Some of the comments are embarrassing to read, some are quite unhinged. "Nvidia betrayed gamers", "We made Nvidia" is just crazy talk. Nvidia betrayed nobody, they are doing everything that makes them the most profit which they are legally obliged to do as a publicly listed company. Gamers do not make them the most money and haven't for a long time, people need to get used to this reality. They probably won't reduce the prices of the new cards either because TSMC 3nm wafers cost a fortune, plus all of the packaging of the silicon which is also expensive. People really need to watch a few videos on how chips are processed them you might understand why they cost what they do.
A lot of gamers are completely out of touch with the reality. Just because they buy a GPU worth a few hundred of dollars every couple of years doesn't make them the makers of a company or give them a high status. Especially not against the Business market. We buy GPUs from time to time to consume entertainment. Businesses and companies in AI buy expensive AI accelerators to try to CREATE services or solutions that can make money. Gamers weight almost NOTHING compared to this. Typical gamer thinks that because he bought a 4090, Nvidia should be thankful to them? They sell you a 4090 with a 600mm2 die with 24GB of memory for 1800 bucks. They sell H100 with a die size of 800mm2 and 80GB of memory for 30,000 bucks!!! And they cannot make enough of them, the backlog is almost one year long. Some Gamers should learn the reality of the world and be more humble, not everything gravitates around them.
Ngreedia gonna be the one who will be the "out of touch reality", like mining crashed , this AI gonna trashed and Jensen's gonna crawl back whose gonna need more salt to rub. And at that day, we gamers gonna sit real quiet with "no emotions" laughing at the embarrassed Jensen.
@@MrBALAKUMARA Mining was a real bubble, crypto is all speculation. AI though while it can have a bubble moment, it's undeniable that it has productive applications (things that crypto never had) powering real services. AI is never going to fully disappear, AI accelerators are and will continue to be a form of compute and it will continue to be in datacenters and will probably earn them more than gaming. Also just to compare, during the mining bubble, the products of choice of Nvidia were still mainstream GPU, sold at max twice the price. An AI accelerator right now is sold 10 times the price of a consumer GPU for the same silicon area. You are pretty delusional if you think you have any weight in this fight.
Their tech completely trancends gaming. This stuff will be generating real time WORLDS to play with. Games as we know them now wont be a big deal unless you are doing retro stuff. And we already have that down. They solve AI they still dominate at gaming. kill 2 birds with one stone. They don't need to specialize for games. It's generalist hardware.
Well, sounds like I'll be buying a PSVR2! When? Not sure... lol Bummer some features won't be available for PC, but the HP Reverb G2 is basically gone so... 🙃
Jensen, at this point is just looking at A.I., no pun intended, but seeing how much it generates on the stock market and overall profit. Its a corporation, greed always comes first sadly.
Nvidia can make gaming GPU's as an afterthought and still be 5 years ahead of AMD, it's just sad, AMD must WAKE TF UP and make something in this one in a lifetime opportunity
Amd has better hardware IMO better memory, but their AI and drivers hold them back. id like to buy an amd gpu but no ai shit runs on them cause' no cuda.
What he is saying is let AI push games. Push AI to push games, vfx, sfx, music, designs and everything that human have pushed for years. But the question is, will it be in the hands of those owning RTX GPUs or their super computers? Because not many people have the money to buy any supercomputers unless you are working at multiple companies and learning languages to translate data from one business to another internationally.
I expect Intel dropping Arc from their driver tweaking effort once Battlemage hits 1 year on market. That means in 2 years Arc cards will preform terribly on new games again. Don't buy them used just because they are cheap.
Not really embarrassed I think, but just totally not interested atm.. Cannot blame them if you see how much money the AI hype is making them right now.. Gaming takes a backseat for a while, I'm sure they'll talk about it on a more "gaming" focused event.. All I'm worried for is lack of competition from AMD and Intel allowing Nvidia to keep prices high..
But to a game when does something stop looking like G-Assist and start looking like Aim-bot, I find software like this as problematic for gamers, as it offers another ''shroud'' for cheat developers to manipulate and use for hiding there software
I think we need to accept that Nvidia is moving on for the foreseeable future. Yeah the AI bubble will burst, but they'll probably pivot yet again. No matter what the future holds, it'll probably include a lot of compute with companies willing to pay billions for it.
Here a 1070 Ti owner. I was thing to buy a 5080 RTX maybe if the price is not over 1000€, but my mind tells me that this never happen and their greed starts with RTX 2000series because, they put up MSRP prices up. No they think... we create that AI hype for companies to work with that much GPU power that we dont need Gamers, because they buy only one GPU and private customers don't have so much money, like companies. That's why it is very important, to get AMD more chance. If Nvidia total Domination pf the Market gets down, then the biggest 3 shareholders, that have very sure nothing to do with gaming. Companies now days get cocky and dont care about image of their Company. Look at EA Games, Ubisoft and Bioware that get hit very hard. ( Anthem^^, Mass Effect Andromeda ) we customers needs higher standards where we want to buy games and support companies. This bad image companies i dont care and if i really want to have this game ( Captain Pirate... take me to free loads ). If you don't have a moral compass for your hardworking money and buy thing without brain... than don't complain about bad games. Pre Order Games is the dumbest thing you can do, because you never know what you get... Cyberpunk 2077 Release date oh boy, even a good image before can fall down with their next game. Patience is a thing you need to learn, nobody have this passive skill point at birth. I think my next GPU is Navi 48 with 256 bit bus.
It’s cool if he wants to turn a blind eye and act that way but continue making great things for the graphics. I get it you need to sustain a certain image to AI investors and assure them you are serious about furthering technology on a different spectrum other then just “ video games “ that’s cool I get that but if you want to keep doing great things for gamers on the low, we nvidia loyalist would appreciate that! Kinda like sneaking us dessert under the table so mom and dad don’t see us enjoying the sweets
The AI bubble will burst and its money coming in will slow down and Nvidia will come begging back for gamers. And they probably not bothering to make 5000 series cards to be even more better, until that slowness comes and when it does theyll probably smash out a series that it smashes everything another 1080ti moment. Im not a nvidia fanboi at all but im just saying i expect this to happen at some point
For some reasone when I hear AI i just think "bs buzz word", maybe im wrong but I just don't see it, it's like asking a toaster to actually think but then again I think most people forget the A is for Artificial. Personaly Ill go for "Real" meaning me or end user!
what $2.8T does to a Mofo.
If ur the ceo of NVIDIA, it steals ur soul and makes u a yes man with lady parts.
LOL
Jensen has sold his soul a long time ago, hes been doing his best to evade AI sanctions on china to sell his crap to them. Jensen cares about money, not democracy, human rights or morals.
@@godnamedtaya yes man to who or what? And what does lady parts have to do with this?
@@lolmao500morals lmao. Name a "moral" CEO please.
"gamers? you mean the people who won't give us 50k for an ai gpu." ~Jenson
Unironically this.
This right here. Gamers are no longer profitable like corps and other institutions are now with the huge demand for AI capable chips. Looks like intel dropped into the gpu scene at the right time and evga's pullout from making gpu is starting to make a lot more sense given how nvidia most likely will try to abandon their gaming segment or at least greatly rein it in.
You mean can't. We absolutely would run those massive cards if we could afford to, and the gigantic 16K screens the size of your wall they could power ;)
@@nonaurbizniz7440 I think you've misunderstood. Gaming is definitely profitable for them. Extremely profitable in fact. But this presentation wasn't for consumers, it was for shareholders and customers for their server products. They will still be releasing 50 and 60 series cards.
So poor and unimportant peoples!
Jensen and Daniel do have one thing in common. They always wear the same jacket.😄
superstitious, or he has Doug Funny closet filled with the same exact outfits over and over again lol
He wants the money, but doesn't want to be link with PC gaming industry.
That's the point of his job.
Theyre shifting their image from a "gaming graphics card" company to "AI chip" company
@@FtGFAI wonder what the point of your job is?
@@Aleksey-vd9oc What does that have to do with this post? lmao
@@Aleksey-vd9oc You seem to be overly offended over someone factually pointing out what his job as CEO is. Seek therapy.
the leather jacket finally cooked his brain
Gotta be the lizard skin.
Just like todd coward
Todd Howard left the room.
When the bubble bursts Jensen will act like he was always Mr Gamer. It's just how it goes in the corporate world where Investors need constant reassurance and coddling. There are those who think it's not a bubble, but after it bursts the same clowns will come out of the woodworks claiming it was so obvious.
I dont trust guys wearing leather jacket anymore
yep gaming bubble already burst
NTFS?, No wait.. Web3.. No wait!!! AI!!! Oh boy... I can't wait for it to BURST already!
crypto, covid, crypto 2.0, and now AI, we aint gonna catch a break, this bubble just keeps growing
it wont and he doesn't care about 2 billion in a 1.5 t market , jensen will drop consumer gpus first
That's the reality of this world that's all. Nvidia and Jensen never were your friends guys. They sold you a product you needed, you paid for it and game with it, we were happy and yes it worked nicely for 2 decades.
But now for the same silicon area, they can create chips for AI that will sell for much much more than a GPU for gamer would. And oh surprise, in this world driven by profit, they don't care that much about gamers anymore and jump into the next wagon. I mean, some gamers were seriously thinking that those big corporations are your friends or reward your loyalty?
AI also has an impact on productivity, businesses, companies using it plan to make money. Gaming is just entertainment, that's why B2B will always earn more in that field. While I like gaming, I think some gamers become a bit too entitled regarding their position, especially the DIY gamers. We are nothing, absolutely nothing compared to the AI market.
That's sad but a good return to earth.
Yup.
A ton of people in the comments here think like this , they either think they care about your loyalty, or they care about some gamer's piss-ant dollars "to vote with" , they don't
"Nvidia and Jensen never were your friends guys."
What company is? I don't like them because they are 'my friend'. I like them because they are innovating new areas of computing. And you can't say they didn't do that. They've definitely added to our level of technology.
You're projecting your own AMD fanboyism (because they're cheap so obviously 'your friend') onto a group of people that would have liked AMD, Intel, or any other company that was pushing tech this far.
Maybe learn to love the underlying engineering and science and stop being so emotional about it all.
@@Veritas.0 Oh don't get me wrong there is no problem with your mind set, it just means you are a reasonable person. But look at the rest of the comments in this video. A high number of people feel "betrayed" or think they are going to boycott them to teach Nvidia a lesson and whatsoever. These ones were the ones I was targeting.
If AMD was smart they would take this opportunity to win over a larger gaming marketshare but history has proven otherwise.
Yep. We all know the AI is just like electric cars. It looks cool (and expensive) but it has very limited applications
This is basically like telling a homeless person to just buy a home 4head. Of course they want and are trying to do that, it's more an issue of how they can do it, because the gaming market at large seem to be in a phase of vocally objecting to nvidia, while simultaneously continuing to buy their products.
By doing WHAT exactly? What do you propose?
They could try to get aggressive with pricing, but they can only cut the prices so much before having to sell GPUs at cost, which they are not willing to do.
Even if they can grow their discrete graphics "market share" by cutting margins low, there's no guaruntee that this will buy them any meaningful amount of brand loyalty. They have so many other product categories that they make a lot more money with, so they really don't care that much about aggressively buying market share in the consumer GPU segment.
I think they are focused on their CPUs right now.
I wish they'd focus more on their GPU tech like improving FSR and putting those RDNA3 ai instructions to work.
If it wasn't for the VRAM I'd have bought a 4070 instead of the 7800 XT, but for 50-100 dollars more the 4070 wasn't worth it with the reduced VRAM and lesser performance.
AMD is to focused on the AI market to care about gamers. Only cards they announced where workstation/professional/AI GPUs. They can't even be bothered to spend money to improve their upscaler, have actual RT hardware.
Nvidia has done way more for gamers in the last 5 years than any other brand. Continuous upgrades to DLSS, very good latency reduction (Reflex), tools to mod and update old games (Remix), tools to improve HDR on PC games (RTX HDR), tools to add modern features to games (RTX IO and Streamline).
No idea how they can be the leader in every metric, and leading the way in developing tools and technology to help game developers and still have people saying they don't care about gamers. Sure they have a big focus on AI, but that's every tech company right now.
Nvidia didn't give up on gamers, the offer the best product for every metric (raster, RT, upscaling, GPU compute). Everyone else gave up, because they don't want to spend the money, time and resources that it would take to catch up.
They don’t have to pretend like they give a crap about gamers. The bots will continue to buy $2k toys from them.
My money is ready ! "THE MORE YOU BUY...THE MORE YOU SAVE" - JENSEN HUANG
They probably know that their next gaming GPU will cost so much you'll have to take out a second mortgage to own one.
That's a laugh. Most of us can't even afford the first mortgage
And it still wouldn't do Ray Tracing @ 4k native with over 60+ FPS
😂😂😂
the decade-old "jensen needs a new leather jacket" joke didnt come from nowhere. the guy is a greedy slimeball...
Worth pointing out that Radeon had 120FPS recording before Nvidia. People constantly harp on about AMD needing to take initiative but even when they do it gets underplayed. 🤷🏿♂️
The HDR recording isn't setup right tho.
AMD tech never works right. If their bean counters were competent at pricing the GPUs right instead of trying to persist the COVID prices, they wouldn't be a incompetent dog s.hit company in my mind. Everyone wants AMD to beat Nvidia, but AMD isn't your friend. Only fan boys like you want AND to win. But AMD more wants to join Nvidia in how much they can corner the market. So stop making things like AMD vs Nvidia. AMD isn't worth it.
He is right, though. NVIDIA is a datacenter and ML company first and foremost for well over a decade already. Gaming products are in fact just a small part of their business. Kind of like selling books for Amazon.
Well over a decade? ML was niche before ChatGPT. And I'm pretty sure Quadros they sold didn't even come close to GTX/RTX sales.
@@berkertaskiran no, it was not niche before ChatGPT. If anything, despite the hype, LLVMs like ChatGPT still are just a relatively small part of ML industry.
@@_TeaMaster Lol 99% of the money Nvidia gets is from people who develop LLMs.
In business school, "Gaming Market" is what they call as niche market. Its like hearing about cutting edge coffee and tea maker machine production revenue income.
Its just providing some hobbyist industry some toys to play with.
The real money is in those AI tool stuff that being sold to those data companies. They processing colossal size datasets from multiple API sources, to be analyzed hourly for various big clients. The clients that will pay for unimaginable money to get inputs about their market situation.
2:28 they arent gonna do that because they would have to cut perfectly good dies down to get 4 core parts since the yields on chiplets are so good, so using cheaper old node parts as their lower end for similar price with more cores is their choice.
There's no incentive for nvidia to keep going with gaming gpus for multiple reasons:
1. AI is making them FAR more money than gaming gpus are, so they can drop their gaming division with no losses.
2. AMD has a long history of not captitalizing on opportunities handed to them on a silver platter.
3. AMD stepping away from the high-end market will make AMD a non-competitor to Nvidia if their price-to-performance isn't competitive.
There's little incentive for AMD to keep pushing finite resources in the high-end gaming market against the R&D budget of a 2-trillion-dollar company when AI is also FAR more profitable use of TSMC's limited and expensive cutting-edge process technologies. Sure, it's in AMD's interest keep some presence in the gaming market.
The selling point to the PSVR is the features you don’t get from other VR setups. Without bringing the features, the only market is existing PSVR owners. It’s a shame that it won’t be supported, I think some devs would probably update games to support the extra features.
Jensen need to be humbled. We gamers are the reason why he is successful and in position where he is now.
like how mining crashed AI is gonna crash too
and he will be crawling back
Wow, companies being companies!
Yeah, by fleecing gamers
Billionaires are successful because of underpaid, overworked and exploited workers. Jensen doesn't code. Jensen doesn't manufacture the video cards.
@@nmbtw1003He wants to distance from PC gaming industry, so let him be and rub salt when he's back.
@Nvidia, if you are embarrassed that I(a gamer) am your customer, then I will no longer be your customer.
I'm sure they are upset about that...
I just switched to AmD fully I'm done with them
Still people will buy Nvidia. I almost did until I found a great deal on Rx6700xt. Best decision of my life.
They are not it's just a clickbait title. They are however investing heavily into AI since it makes INSANE amounts of money rn.
Nothing new, Nvidia wasn't competitive anymore since Turing anyway.
Imo, the PSVR 2 will get those extra features on PC in time, Sony just released it without them right now to get sales quicker.
50% market share by ARM within 5 years... yeah good luck with that. For gamers to buy ARM cpu, you would need better performance than X3D or intel cpu. And so far ARM cpus have all been weak sauce.
ARM is not weak at all. Apple uses ARM tech to make their chips. and ARM can save a lot of power. nVidia just make a right choice.
Gamer only tiny part of pc market. When my company doing pc upgrade they did not buy machine with i9 or Ryzen 7 in it. They just get one with i3 12100 in it. If ARM performance can improve into decent level then don't be surprise low end machine will get more popular with ARM options.
@@arenzricodexd4409 How poor your company is. Everyone knows CPU is as important as GPU. I do a lot of video rendering. cheap CPU is always much slower than a premium one. don't save money on CPU and GPU.
@@KelvinKMS and that is gamers mindset thinking you need 13900K just to do some work with Words.
@@arenzricodexd4409 I said video rendering. with ChatGPT. You don't need too powerful CPU. I use 13700K which is the best value for the performance now. I bought it for $260 and 13900K cost like $499 and only 24% faster but almost double the price.
When a GPU costs x2 or x3 times the average salary in the country where you live in, you can't get excited anymore. Let's see if the Mage will do Battle, for Intel.
How dare he. Gamers made him I am disgusted 😢
As if money is somehow more important than video games 😮
As a gamer, this is so true. Like look at their last quarter earnings for datacenter....almost 10x the revenue of their gaiming/consumer revenue
this is what happen when people praise demons in human form
Lol this is how Greedy companies work
Welcome to the real World
Yh
Of course money is more important. Without it you can't fund R&D and pay the employee salary. Gaming market have always been brutal. Nvidia have always want to diverse more since the early 2000s. 3DFX end up biting the dust, Imagination leaving the pc market all because how brutal gaming market are.
In the grand scheme of things, advancements in Video Game tech is very small when stacked up against advancements of AI.
15:08 this sounds dystopian. One thing when humans make characters you can interact with and entirely another when a character writes itself by ai.
as per usual daniel very thorough and welcome indeed for thought and purchasing plans
I don't understand how this surprises anyone. GPUs have been outdoing any sort of gaming needs for a long time, billions are not being invested into R&D for gaming but precisely for what Jensen was presenting in the talk. My takeaway watching his presentation was: shit, I was wrong not buying more of their stock thinking it was already overvalued, the damn thing is shockingly still undervalued!
Every bit of his talk pointed to immense revenue potential Nvidia has just started to really tap into and sustainable high double digit growth for several more years to come. There is no gaming GPU he can show that would be nearly as impressive as what he did present.
Man, anyone else hardly even come across FSR 3.0 in games? And they're talking about 3.1, I feel like there's someone out there trying to prevent us from having nice things, most new releases will likely only just have FSR 2 and while some games will get updated to use DLSS frame Gen they likely don't do the same for FSR
I mean I understand that AI makes Nvidia a lot more money than their GeForce division could ever rake in...but it still feels bad
that means they can make their gpu cheaper because it's not the main cost driver any more right, RIGHT?...
Hahahahaha....no
Just because they can doesn't mean they will. Competition forces companies to drop prices but there isn't much competition in high-end GPU market.
@@piotrnowak8725 it was sarcasm/joke :P
Nope. The next step is how to make gamer accept high price GPU as "worth it".
25:40 Id like to see a MechWarrior3 and 4 series remake 😢
Preventing kids from saying first
fist?
Thats just first with extra steps
You've become the very thing you swore to destroy
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
71st!
NIVIDIA better be makinf some decently priced and capable gaming hardware after they practically made themselves the standard for professional software workflows. Specifically 3D applications.
Look, everyone in the comments seem to be upset that Nvidia "betrayed their roots" but be real for a moment - they're a company. Their job is to make as much money as possible. None of them ever gave a shit how you feel - that includes all the rest, intel, amd, etc. A lot of people are probably too young to remember this, but at one point apple was in so much trouble Bill Gates actually decided to help them out and essentially saved them - even steve jobs said that. Now apple is one of the biggest companies in the world do you think they gave a shit about how microsoft saved their ass back then? About all the people who stuck with them through the hard times? Hell no.
The only companies that actually care about their customers are those that are small enough to be personally in contact with their customers. They have a reason to make sure they maintain good relations. Big corpos that make trillions? You're just a statistic to them.
Jenson acting like he was never in a long term relationship with us (PC Gamers)
That's why he knows gaming market are brutal. Many his rival in gaming market back in the 90s no longer exist. The one that still exist they need to give them "life support" else nvidia will become pure monopoly.
Trying to forget its own root is such a disgusting behavior. The 1999 GeForce 256 is 256-bit QuadPipe Rendering Engine. Yes, Nvidia took off as a game card designer.
Gaming market is a very brutal one. There are many other company that compete on the same field as nvidia back in the 90s. Where are they now? And gamer does not care about them one bit.
Lower margins unfortunately aren’t exciting investors
23:50 no, it most certainly means frame generation. There has never been a game that claimed to have DLSS 3.5/3.7 that did not have frame generation. Name one, I'll wait.
I think you might be misunderstanding Nvidia's focus. They didn't talk about gaming at the conference because there isn't anything new to announce in that area right now. When they have new gaming products or updates, I'm sure they'll share them. The emphasis on AI reflects the current priorities and advancements happening within the company, and they have a lot to showcase in that domain at the moment.
Look at it this way. There is limited silicon wafer output but an ever growing demand for gaming gpu AND AI capable chips. What would be more profitable for nvidia? Using up a portion of the wafer supply to make gaming gpu which sell for only a fraction of what they can get out of corporate and scientific sales. I'm actually surprised they still make gaming gpu at all given the difference in profit levels.
@13:30 151mm "height" of gpu seems ridicolous, even with Cable Clearance. I have the biggest SFF Coolermaster NR200 and my 138mm height 4070ti Eagle OC Rev1.0 fits barely.
From the Papers it would have 16mm cable clearance. Im pretty sure a 4090 would have burned if it has only 16mm for the cable bending.
Proper Fallout 2 remake will absolutely shake modern standards of acceptable levels of violence and adult content in games. I've played original Fallout 2, there was alot of things that are prohibited in modern games like violence towards children or shooting in adult movies.
If you're getting 10 times the revenue from one sector rather than the other, it's no surprise really. The writing was on the wall for a couple of years now. They have no reason to give upon gaming but it'll be like "it's 100$ more expensive, take it or leave it" because the same wafers can go for insane profit margins instead. And no AMD won't rush in to fill it up because they're actively trying to do the same thing.
Nvidia would do everyone a favour by just leaving the PC gaming market at this point. Their monopoly is stifling their competition from investing into more powerful cards because they know Nvidia will just undercut them and destroy any new product AMD or Intel develops in order to compete.
Same with Sony and Microsoft in the console market, they need to leave it to smaller companies who only focus on gaming to return to the market (like Sega).
These companies get (or are) too big and greedy, all of them.
Nvidia: We have the games industry by the balls and eating out of our hands and you think well just leave?
@@FantomMisfit Did I ever say they would just leave voluntarily?
Yea, lets go back to 720p era , that'll be HUGE. I Guess your DAD's home company gonna create new GPU's?
Just drink every time Daniel says "anyway" and you'll be drunk 😛.
Look, we need to stop beating around the bush when it comes to Nvidia and AI. For just one Nvidia DGX BG200 they can probably ask more than they can for 10000 5090s. At a far, far lower cost to them. That server can have at most 576 cards in it. And they're gauging the corporate clients for all they have. Why would they talk about GPUs for gamers when most gamers are and will remain on midrange GPU that cost around 500-650 a pop?
Idk how we got the "embarrassed" part. It makes it seem like Nvidia is actively against their gaming audience which is far from the truth. They are heavily investing into AI since it makes insane amounts of money and gaming is obviously not their priority number one rn. No need to make up things to enrage your audience for engagement.
He shouldn't forget that the first leather jacket he ever got was from profits he made cooking and selling gaming products to gamers.
Considering how big advance in Ai have been, still it hasn't generated any substantial profit in ANY company. This bubble gonna burst eventually. Sure there will be uses for it but this idea that AI does everything is an illusion.
AI has 10x profit margins and also 5x revenue as gaming. It makes no sense to even think about investing time and effort into gaming right now. Also, the state of modern gaming is so bad that every self-respecting gamer reverted back into playing retro stuff, or has found a different hobby.
AMD is continuing to release am4 cpus in order to promote the possible longevity of AM5. Theyre capturing 2 "markets" with that move... The am4 owners and the new pc builders. A 2600 owner could probably get a decent price build going for a new intel setup but a new am4 cpu will be a better deal and if they want more performance then they are more likely to go amd just because they see that am4 CPUs are still available years later. They may lose a bit of am5 sales due to people upgrading on am4 but the overall perspective is positive for am5.
TBH the biggest issue here is that we don't have enough fabs to produce the chips.
Nvidia is sacrificing profit every time it sells a gaming GPU.
It just is. Because it cannot produce chips fast enough to saturate the AI market.
Sorry for the bad news
13:17 Lol, even the 4090 FE doesn't fit this. Nvidia basically saying don't get a damn 4090 into a SFF. Thankfully I have a brain of my own and I don't have to comply to the crap people s**t out.
Either Nv or intel , amd , all of them just focused AI PC & SERVER, we can wait for one year, and look forward to next what things will be happened.
Everyone deserves getting price-gouged after drinking the Nvidia raytracing kool-aid pushed by these youtubers.
Smoothbrains bought midrange x060 cards to play raytraced games in less than 20fps, good job hyping Nvidia crap, same story when they pushed physx and tesselation and all the superfluous crap you guys swallowed heartily. Choke on the prices now 😂.
Yeah this deserves particular emphasis with the 3060 STILL being the best-selling card on the market. Who are these people?
That is why the Geforce forum is full of hatred about drivers.
Having seen the whole conference... I thought you were against clickbait titles that don't represent reality in the least?
Amd capitalizing on longevity is really great for people who most likely wont want to upgrade everything, and has all the wprking parts of am4 and just wanted to change the cpu hope the do it on am5,6,,7 chips too saves people from buying mobo
Being able to massively overcharge corporations is always going to be more profitable. A $10k entry-level GPU is always going to win out against $400. I have a hunch though that AI isn't going to play out the way these tech companies hope.
Everything is pure AI. We aren’t really seeing the scope of the Ai race behind the scenes. Shits about to get wild
With the announcement of the microsoft spyware, are you going to be looking into potentially moving over to linux?
Overall, it's in Nvidia's best interest to keep quiet on gaming as long as they can. Especially while they are primarily competing with themselves. The closer you get to a next generation for gamers, the more they'll want to hold off on buying. Also the longer they hold off, the less time AMD has to react to whatever they are doing.
The profit and please the stakeholder is the no.1 priority so if there no competition in gpu they don't care. It just how business runs nowadays
That is what GREED does to anyone, they will see themselves above everyone, like who are you?! never seen you never knew you situation!
Funny that this is the same company that has ridden the waves of success during several GPU mining booms
After the crypto mining hype, Nvidia realized the truth that you can make good money selling "picks and shovels".
Now there's AI hype.
AI hype
Yet it's only good thing I see is making hentai
@@JahonCross pretty soon it will be utilize in game, specially chating with npc in game lol.
Gaming hardware is already so complicated for folks. Way to pack in even more stuff.
I think they don't really care since regardless of what they do, the are still many people buy their GPU even the price is high.
That is one of the reason the price is keep going up gen by gen.
Plus, AI is making them XXB of dollars, of course they will focus more on it...💲💲💰💰
I don't particularly care for a Bethesda-style Fallout 2 remake, I would however kill for a Diablo 2 Resurrected-style Fallout 2 remake. Like an actual remake preserving the original's aesthetic.
Captaion obvius. He is on bussines. Companies make money. Thats why anyone fanboy of a guy behind a company or a brand is jsut stupid
Nvidia shouldn't care about Gaming. That SUCKS for gamers but business is business. They make BILLIONS with AI. ANYONE who runs a company would do the same.
the gaming ecosystem contributed to the nvidia products giving a product feedback and user/performance telemetry
We need a steam machine, to compete with PS5/xbox like the steam deck competes with the switch. Please valve/AMD, it's the time to shine
If nvidia masters ai, while games continue to implement ai into games, they won't need to worry about the gaming side of things.
Easy solution. The 5090 will cost $35k. Suddenly there's enough space on those wafers for gaming chips. You're welcome.
I want to buy 5090 but ... guess i will wait until RDNA5 to upgrade my GPU
unreal engine nowadays is used just as much by hollywood for making cgi in movies as it is used in games, so he can say that they are associated with hollywood instead of video games, but looking at how bad hollywood is these days, perhaps its more embarrassing to be associated with hollywood than video games.
Off to the Shadow Realm with you, Jensen
I love how people think the work on AI computing by AMD and Nvidia et al won't help their gaming. Yes, all this extra money to develop their GPUs and general technology and an increase in total computing, will have no positive impact on the entire industry and the technology used for your PC. They'll actually develop a sub-standard technology exclusively for your consumer graphics cards and there won't be any relation between the two product lines. Just like the last hard drive, doesn't help gamers because it's made for servers and Oculink is too, which is obviously useless for the PC market. Our tech has always trickled down from the server market. Indeed, this is how technology works full stop. That GPS on your phone? It wasn't developed so that we could all find the local supermarket. The World Wide Web? Tim Berners Lee didn't create that at CERN to share cat videos.
TLDR; know where your towel is, and don't panic.
NGL, nvidia GPUs are better overall, but with such disposition, my next upgrade will be either Intel or AMD.
In fact, my current GPU *is* a 6900XT, which is also the first non-nvidia card I purchased in 17 years. However, that was more because of miner-driven inflation of the 2020-2021 than any other reason. But seeing how things are going, I say screw nvidia, let them travel IBM route.
They've collected their data with gaming.😂 At the end of the day, it's just business.
Some of the comments are embarrassing to read, some are quite unhinged. "Nvidia betrayed gamers", "We made Nvidia" is just crazy talk. Nvidia betrayed nobody, they are doing everything that makes them the most profit which they are legally obliged to do as a publicly listed company. Gamers do not make them the most money and haven't for a long time, people need to get used to this reality. They probably won't reduce the prices of the new cards either because TSMC 3nm wafers cost a fortune, plus all of the packaging of the silicon which is also expensive. People really need to watch a few videos on how chips are processed them you might understand why they cost what they do.
While I understand what you're saying idc how much that stuff costs to make im willing to bet they have some hella big margins.
A lot of gamers are completely out of touch with the reality. Just because they buy a GPU worth a few hundred of dollars every couple of years doesn't make them the makers of a company or give them a high status.
Especially not against the Business market. We buy GPUs from time to time to consume entertainment. Businesses and companies in AI buy expensive AI accelerators to try to CREATE services or solutions that can make money. Gamers weight almost NOTHING compared to this.
Typical gamer thinks that because he bought a 4090, Nvidia should be thankful to them?
They sell you a 4090 with a 600mm2 die with 24GB of memory for 1800 bucks. They sell H100 with a die size of 800mm2 and 80GB of memory for 30,000 bucks!!! And they cannot make enough of them, the backlog is almost one year long.
Some Gamers should learn the reality of the world and be more humble, not everything gravitates around them.
Ngreedia gonna be the one who will be the "out of touch reality", like mining crashed , this AI gonna trashed and Jensen's gonna crawl back whose gonna need more salt to rub. And at that day, we gamers gonna sit real quiet with "no emotions" laughing at the embarrassed Jensen.
@@MrBALAKUMARA Mining was a real bubble, crypto is all speculation. AI though while it can have a bubble moment, it's undeniable that it has productive applications (things that crypto never had) powering real services. AI is never going to fully disappear, AI accelerators are and will continue to be a form of compute and it will continue to be in datacenters and will probably earn them more than gaming.
Also just to compare, during the mining bubble, the products of choice of Nvidia were still mainstream GPU, sold at max twice the price. An AI accelerator right now is sold 10 times the price of a consumer GPU for the same silicon area.
You are pretty delusional if you think you have any weight in this fight.
Their tech completely trancends gaming. This stuff will be generating real time WORLDS to play with. Games as we know them now wont be a big deal unless you are doing retro stuff. And we already have that down.
They solve AI they still dominate at gaming. kill 2 birds with one stone. They don't need to specialize for games. It's generalist hardware.
Well, sounds like I'll be buying a PSVR2! When? Not sure... lol
Bummer some features won't be available for PC, but the HP Reverb G2 is basically gone so... 🙃
Ngreedia doesn't care about the people that supported them for decades, the millions of gamers who brought them to this point.
Why should they?
Earth 2: Electric Boogaloo
Jensen, at this point is just looking at A.I., no pun intended, but seeing how much it generates on the stock market and overall profit. Its a corporation, greed always comes first sadly.
Nvidia can make gaming GPU's as an afterthought and still be 5 years ahead of AMD, it's just sad, AMD must WAKE TF UP and make something in this one in a lifetime opportunity
Amd has better hardware IMO better memory, but their AI and drivers hold them back. id like to buy an amd gpu but no ai shit runs on them cause' no cuda.
What he is saying is let AI push games. Push AI to push games, vfx, sfx, music, designs and everything that human have pushed for years.
But the question is, will it be in the hands of those owning RTX GPUs or their super computers?
Because not many people have the money to buy any supercomputers unless you are working at multiple companies and learning languages to translate data from one business to another internationally.
I expect Intel dropping Arc from their driver tweaking effort once Battlemage hits 1 year on market. That means in 2 years Arc cards will preform terribly on new games again. Don't buy them used just because they are cheap.
Not really embarrassed I think, but just totally not interested atm.. Cannot blame them if you see how much money the AI hype is making them right now.. Gaming takes a backseat for a while, I'm sure they'll talk about it on a more "gaming" focused event.. All I'm worried for is lack of competition from AMD and Intel allowing Nvidia to keep prices high..
But to a game when does something stop looking like G-Assist and start looking like Aim-bot, I find software like this as problematic for gamers, as it offers another ''shroud'' for cheat developers to manipulate and use for hiding there software
Hoping the users stop giving them there money then, let them learn that the true power lies with the consumer.
I think we need to accept that Nvidia is moving on for the foreseeable future. Yeah the AI bubble will burst, but they'll probably pivot yet again. No matter what the future holds, it'll probably include a lot of compute with companies willing to pay billions for it.
Here a 1070 Ti owner. I was thing to buy a 5080 RTX maybe if the price is not over 1000€, but my mind tells me that this never happen and their greed starts with RTX 2000series because, they put up MSRP prices up. No they think... we create that AI hype for companies to work with that much GPU power that we dont need Gamers, because they buy only one GPU and private customers don't have so much money, like companies. That's why it is very important, to get AMD more chance. If Nvidia total Domination pf the Market gets down, then the biggest 3 shareholders, that have very sure nothing to do with gaming. Companies now days get cocky and dont care about image of their Company. Look at EA Games, Ubisoft and Bioware that get hit very hard. ( Anthem^^, Mass Effect Andromeda ) we customers needs higher standards where we want to buy games and support companies. This bad image companies i dont care and if i really want to have this game ( Captain Pirate... take me to free loads ). If you don't have a moral compass for your hardworking money and buy thing without brain... than don't complain about bad games. Pre Order Games is the dumbest thing you can do, because you never know what you get... Cyberpunk 2077 Release date oh boy, even a good image before can fall down with their next game. Patience is a thing you need to learn, nobody have this passive skill point
at birth. I think my next GPU is Navi 48 with 256 bit bus.
5080 will be $1500 or near that. You should buy 5060 at $500 or 5070 at $1000 instead…
😂
It’s cool if he wants to turn a blind eye and act that way but continue making great things for the graphics. I get it you need to sustain a certain image to AI investors and assure them you are serious about furthering technology on a different spectrum other then just “ video games “ that’s cool I get that but if you want to keep doing great things for gamers on the low, we nvidia loyalist would appreciate that! Kinda like sneaking us dessert under the table so mom and dad don’t see us enjoying the sweets
The AI bubble will burst and its money coming in will slow down and Nvidia will come begging back for gamers. And they probably not bothering to make 5000 series cards to be even more better, until that slowness comes and when it does theyll probably smash out a series that it smashes everything another 1080ti moment.
Im not a nvidia fanboi at all but im just saying i expect this to happen at some point
Money is one hell of a drug.
For some reasone when I hear AI i just think "bs buzz word", maybe im wrong but I just don't see it, it's like asking a toaster to actually think but then again I think most people forget the A is for Artificial. Personaly Ill go for "Real" meaning me or end user!
Hopefully intel and amd can step up to the plate.