This NSO Situation Keeps Getting Worse and Worse...
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2021
- As if the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack being extremely expensive wasn't bad enough...
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Gabe Newell said it best - “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates”. I grew up with Nintendo so naturally I find myself coming back to their games, but holy hell are they behind compared to all of their competitors. They're lucky they have nostalgia on their side.
This however taints their nostalgic value
I also grew up with Nintendo (I played my brother's NES and when I got older I had my own SNES as MY first console) and not even nostalgia is enough to get me to purchase the expansion.
you want my money,
do as good as the pirates do for free
you want MORE money?
Do better than the pirates.
Gabe spitting some absolute truth right there!
@@BrutallyHonestRevs The sad part is that whatever issues you're encountering are, NSO isn't much better. Imagine the emulation on NSO was FLAWLESS, a price tag could be justified in a heartbeat.
Nintendo: "Please pay 50$ for the expansion pass."
Me: "Okay, but in return, I expect at least fifty N64 games."
Nintendo: "Fourty games? Why would you want thirty games? You don't even know twenty games and you can't play ten games at the same time anyway. But fine, have your five games."
I love this
1 N64 Game on VC use to cost $10 a pop. So in the past it use to only get you 5 games, that was way worse in my eyes. I know, but then you actually own it, I'm just saying to me that's a worse deal, even if you get to keep it. Cause I don't feel like pulling out, dusting off, and setting up old consoles just to do that. This new method is cheaper for a number of years and the current console.
Five games...here take pilot wings and Dr Mario. Quality top tier titles everyone wants to pay $50 to replay!
@@Eira_99 10$ was indeed too much...to be fair at least we could say the games were less older back then...and they even had sales occasionally. Pm64 was $2 at one point...remember when Nintendo did sales? Lol...good times.
@@Eira_99 But you owned the game and could play it anytime and still play it today. NSO, you have to stay subscribed to keep playing and one day it will disappear. Having the choices to purchase each game by itself or to subscribe to the NSO would be way better.
"Why sell broken ROMs, when you can rent them?"
-Nintendo probably
and most everyone's response would be , "why rent broken ROMs when you can pirate working ones."
@RTX 3090 ON at a better quality in both graphics and quality of life too!
@RTX 3090 ON where can one find these roms? I’ve tried multiple sites and nothing is reliable
"You can't buy love, but you can rent it for 3 minutes"
Stan Lee for sure.
@Austin Igert I can vouch for that, don't use ad blocker though because they get support from ads and they're not annoying
Found out while playing 4 player on Mario kart 64 that they still cut the music because the original N64 couldn’t handle running music with that many players.
That’s something that would be nice for them to fix, but they didn’t and now you have to play Mario kart acapella
It's the perfect hybrid.
Hardware accurate on things that make the games shit.
Not hardware accurate on things that make the games shit.
Yikes, this is why I'm not interested in going back to Mk64; it wasn't noticeable when I was a kid but after so many iterations of Mario Kart with bops in the background; it just makes no sense for me to play with friends with only the empty sounds of item blocks to accompany us. Guess I'll just continue to get my mario kart fix from mk8dx.
Oh... Didnit happen because of that?
That''s something they always said, but other 4 player games had music during gameplay, and I then knew why it wasn't a thing in MK64: The game was an absolute noise fest when playing 4 players, just adding the music to the chaos might have been deemed a bit too much.
Lol I remember when my friends and I would get together to play retro games back in the day & load up RUclips videos of each of the racetrack's songs just so we could hear the tunes while we played!
Nintendo deserves an award for making the best games and doing absolutely nothing else right at all
ikr
Not the best games. Don’t be regarded.
Id say they are also special in the way they, most of the time, treat its developers very well
"The best games" ight go play Mario Golf instead of Bloodborne.
You mean a Pulitzer Prize in hell?
And Nintendo continues to cry about emulation when people doing this for free in their spare time are able to offer a higher quality service than they do.
And if they continue to not make their games available to people then people are going to continue to emulate.
@Dylan Doyle I guess Sega still does what Nintendont.
@@Spit1990 Heh, you can say that again!
@@Spit1990 Sega in the 90s iirc were like the shittiest game company at the time, which relatively speaking wasn't that bad to now. Now Nintendo is far worse and Sega look like the good guys. Nintendo need the humble pie, it's long overdue but the diehard fans are too strong to let them see their mistakes.
Fr, if they weren't so worried about it encouraging more people to start making emulators they could just buy out a good one and hire its devs and make bank, but no they have to make emulators with the bare minimum cost, only for everyone to hate their 50 DOLLAR SERVICE
"I've got seven other people on my family plan"
*Me imagining six baby Arlos and a Mommy Arlo*
aww
What if it’s just 7 other copies or Arlo?
I know one of them is Lockstin
@@no1important777 Justin Roiland's *House of Arlos*
@@garrettthompson580 Haw haw, yeah
Us: We want a emulator that puts others to shame.
Nintendo: "Best I can do is hardly anything."
We want PC e,ukation quality
Here’s a durian based software
@@jmurray1110 I love e,ukating old games
That explains why Nintendo has been so desperate to eliminate all roms of their games... They don't want people to see how shitty their emulator is in comparison, how much work dedicated fans can get done for free, versus their allegedly hardworking, highly paid "expert" programmers.
@@jmurray1110 You know, I'm actually somewhat inclined to start calling it "e,ukation" now to disguise it from anti-piracy people.
@@heyoyo10gaming4 While drinking e,ukalyptus tea
The best we can do is not pay for it and ask for an improvement or something
exactly, vote with your wallet in this case
Yep unlike Arlo, which already knew it was bad just for the price of it but still bought it.
Yup, this is the best way to get companies to listen
Yup have not paid for any this
@@atomickid Can shaming people for buying something not be a thing anymore? I think that’d be neato tbh
I'm kind of glad Nintendo screwed this up so marvelously. Makes me feel much better about not wasting money on the expansion pass.
My family subscription had just renewed so I got a discount. It only ended up being $6 to "upgrade" and I still want a refund!
I did not purchase. I'm not happy about, but I can accept, $20 a year to play online and get NES and SNES emulation. I suppose the best thing I can say about this is that they didn't just raise the price for everyone, it was an optional addon so the savvy can avoid.
It’s too bad Nintendo is going to make a ton of money off of it… too many people are going to “upgrade” anyways.
and its harder to make those weird nintendo simps excuse nintendos shit behavior
@@nuttybutty9028 they're defending it though, look at the comments on the post. It shouldn't surprise anyone, they defended Mario All Stars being limited time for no reason.
Here's my biggest problem:
The expansion pass can only be paid for in 1 year increments. The non-expansion pack online can be paid for in one, three, and six month increments, as well as a full year. The expansion pass only has 12 month options.
Edit: My point is that you can't even try it for a month before you have to take the 1 year plunge. It's all or nothing.
It was probably made that way on purpouse. So horrible. I would honestly have a burning desire for a moneyback if I payed for the service (I luckily did not)
*paid
Imagine how many people are going to see the N64 games and rush to pay for it, only to find out how awful it is and be stuck with it for a year.
My only hope is that it's like that because they decided to release it now and just get it to work properly later and by the time it's a year later it'll be good enough that people will actually be will to pay again
@D. Lindsay the SNES and NES online are more than good honestly both have most of the main games anyone cares about by Nintendo and I can guarantee you're not going to sell your switch I hear people say that alot who don't mean it...
Gabe once said: "Piracy is an issue of service, not price". When a version I can download online (or create a Rom from my og game), put it on my Switch by myself and its a better and more complete version than the games Nintendo is offering me... its a Nintendo problem. If Nintendo gave me an easier, cheaper and more accesible option I would pay for it gladly.
it doesnt even boil down to that every time (although i agree completely!), sometimes they get butthurt over games that they straight up dont sell any more! The only way you can play the remake of the first, and the fourth Metroid game (MAIN SERIES GAMES) is to either
A. Own a GBA (nintendo doesnt get any money from sales of these old systems)
B. BUY IT ON WII FUCKING U (one of their all time worst selling consoles)
If they dont want me to just slap it on my laptop, they should try actually selling the game in a way worth playing! Every old nintendo game should just move over to the switch. Literally zero reason not to. Hell they could just pay current Emulator developers, they would make Mountains of cash, and it would barely take any work on their part at all seeing as how they do a better job of it anyway and most of the software would be complete!
Charging for ROMS that straight up arent as good as ones i can go get for free, now that just makes sense! :D
Does the switch need to be bricked to do that?
@@AveryCreates That’s what I’m wondering. Ever since the n64 for switch I’ve been thinking about just biting the bullet and downloading an emulator. Ima look it up, I’ll let you know if I remember to lol
@@GundamGokuTV The Genesis collection is great because they give you the ROM files if you want to use them with a third party emulator too. Nintendo would never even dream of doing that
@@raxxtv1998 go a head
Its funny how pc emulators are leagues beyond an official emulator from a company that has all the resources they need to make a perfect or near perfect and fully featured emulator.
@@Nahobinoah I played N64 games on my Samsung Galaxy S2(!) with the Mupen emulator; without FPS issues. So that is no excuse.
@@UltimateTobi not to mention the homebrew ports of pc emulators to the switch that run better than nso
@@Nahobinoah the switch ain’t as powerful as a pc but the fact that even crusty old phones can run n64 games fine but not the switch is sad
@@Nahobinoah exactly
It just shows that it’s not a big budget that makes good quality products, it’s passion.
14:47 Actually, unlike the base NSO plan, there's no monthly plan available for NSO Expansion Pack -- your only option is to buy a whole year! They know what they're doing...
Oh wow really?
Edit: Wow yeah looks like it. Edit done.
Indeed, was about to comment that they know very damn well what they're doing. We kinda got into the worst timeline for an ex-EA employee named Bowser to get in charge of Nintendo. But it's very clear that Nintendo finding renowed success with the Switch changed them for the worst. When they were struggling with the Wii U and the Switch was new, they were making pretty great decisions and delivered big quality titles. But now that they're sitting on a gold throne they're trying to see how far they can get away with, especially after GameFreak with Sword and Shield showed them that they can get VERY far with just brand name and cut all the corners they want and still sell gangbusters.
That's precisely why they are slow dripping their releases too. They are creating an artificial need for people to stay subscribed to the expansion.
@@nicocchi I 100% agree with all of that
The money men are behind this.
I'm still amazed people actually paid for this given how fast Nintendo abandoned the NES/SNES libraries
Honestly, I’m doubting we are getting much from n64. Hoping the bring GameCube games to save them.
@@kmaster57 They will bring GameCube games for an extra $20
Ever since I got a gaming PC, there's no chance in hell I will buy a gamecube service.
@@rpgfanatic9719 Cause of Dolphin?
Why is that amazing? Have you met a Nintendo fan? They'll bend over and pay for almost anything. Usually when I point out that they're getting ripped off, they just go "It's fine. It's not loot boxes, so it's fine." Very low standards. Also very short memory.
All we needed was the Virtual Console. Let us buy the games we want and own them forever. They could have done Switch online at $20 and given us discounts in the VC alongside it. Boom, good value. The online service would still be abysmal but at least the overall package wouldn't feel anywhere near as scummy.
This is what GamePass does lol.
Microsoft doing what Nintendon’t!
Once again, Arlo's got a great take, seeing right through Nintendo's smoke and mirrors. Too bad Nintendo can't render smoke and mirrors with their buggy emulator
Dude... this is awesome wordplay.
Otherwise, a fire may occur, in which really mirrored what will happened.
They try to render the smoke and mirrors and it's just like **sid meier's railroads error sound stack**
You may think he's got a good take. But you know what he doesn't got? Eyebrows.
I mean, is it really a good take if it's easy for him to see through nonexistent smoke and mirrors?
As far as I'm concerned, any downgrade to games that were released in the 90's and are being re-released now, is not acceptable; Frame rates, graphically, et cetera. . . It doesn't matter by how much, especially when you consider these are mostly Nintendo's own homemade games, there's no excuse. The 'Expansion Pack' was already asking for too much in its $50 price tag, now it's borderline offensive to have the games release worse than they did initially 20+ years ago.
Nintendo is quite literally a multi-BILLION dollar company, there's no excuse for these kind of things. They make good games (which is the only reason why I'm still a fan), and actually don't seem to be good at anything else.
spend your money on Rabi ribs instead.
Couldn’t have worded it better honestly.
The games aren’t even THAT good
The thing that annoys me the most about the n64 emulation is the hud textures. This has been an issue with n64 emulation for years. The hud textures get blurred yet still has jagged pixelated edges. This is most noticeable in Super Mario 64. Not every emulator does this though, some can display it pixel perfect. I just don't know why it's still even an issue so many years later.
It's nice seeing you here
and thats thanks to the fact that it was made for those old tvss, they purposefully made it interact with the lines that went through those tvs, as a lot of companies did to save resources but at the same time make it look better
@@thecontrollerwolf1585 Yup. Consoles will always look their best on the screens they are designed for. Albeit a good upscaler can work well with n64. But I still rock a crt for mine.
@@BoshMind they don't even need an upscaler. the giga leaks of recent years have shown they still have the uncompressed images on hand to this day
And they fixed the HUD for Super Mario 64 on 3D All-Stars.
I've noticed that Nintendo has been going down a bad path ever since Furukawa became president. Both in their online and games as a whole, it's gotten to the point where we went from them knowing their games would be great to hoping they don't F up a game. And after some researching, guess where Furukawa worked before becoming the president? He worked for The Pokemon Company? Don't that make a little too much sense?
Wow...It really does all make sense now.
Good job sherlock you solved the mystery of the profit incentivized company
Don’t forget Doug Bowser was at EA
A huge issue with how that Dark Link room looks in the Water Temple is it takes away from one of the coolest tricks that introduces Dark Link. He's your reflection until you walk over the island, then he's standing in front of that tree. They really gotta fix this, the atmosphere of a lot of these games are gonna be ruined if they dont
That is, without a doubt, my absolute favorite isolated part of any Zelda game. The Shadow play is genius, terrifying, and a great fight. The fact that they screwed that up is terrible
Haha, fix anything.
If you’re wondering it’s a problem with the fog rendering, that’s why in Kokiri Forest is constantly greyed out in fog and you can see a pixel version of the great deku tree in the skybox
@@johnjohnson6142 I wasn't because the water is a texture issue as well 🤷♀️
@@chooongusbug724 Hmm that could be, I’m going to mess up the fog emulation on an see if I can replicate it
The fact Arlo decided to get this out before a super hype Pikmin Bloom reaction really says it all. Nintendo needs to get their act together, this is just ridiculous.
Sadly they dont need. There is more stupid people without any morale standarts that will spend money on these things and defend it than people who see that this is not right.
Fun fact: Switch controllers are Bluetooth wired. Get an emulator, load up any of these games, connect your controller, and boom! You just saved $30-$50!
No, it's way more than 30-50$ if you think long term
@@antusFireNova True that
get betterjoy, then the emulator of your choice, etc.
No native support requires an external program. still saving just as much tho.
Not everyone can emulate.
@@schwa4883 I mean as long as you have a computer I feel like N64 games shouldn’t have any trouble running on it. Even then buying a computer to emulate games would be better than buying this subscription. Far more cost effective.
The reason they drip feed games isn't to take the time to optimize the games. As you said they probably have a single emulator for all the games so they most likely already have every game ready to go at this point as I can't imagine it taking more than a week of work to get all the ROMs dumped and ready to go once the emulator is done. It's so they can withhold games artificially so they can drop periodic updates to reel new customers in over the course of a year or two
that makes sense with nintendos habbit of not creating enough supply to meet demands. by drip feeding, people will pay for the service just to have access to the titles as early as possible, as since you can only pay yearly, its easier to explain away paying the extra now to access banjo kazooie down the road.......... its a very scummy tactic, but proven to work with most situations.
@@megasora4 Nintendo do got some habbits
"...it's like a company does something stupid, why am I holding a pen?"
This sentence broke me.
wait til you hear some actual comedy...
And then he just picks it up again. Thought it was funny.
@@joejoe2658 •Looks at the username• .....What type of comedy do you think is "actual comedy"?
@@joejoe2658 Bro it's just casual fun humor. Arlo is a RUclipsr, not a stand-up artist. Loosen up a bit.
@@yuuh193 mm
No h
I gave the benefit of the doubt to Nintendo and assumed the dripfeed of titles was so they could test each game carefully to add in qol improvements and ensure each title emulates perfectly.
But they're broken and special features are missing.
Never give a giant corporation the benefit of the doubt. The most cynical assumptions are typically the correct assumptions.
@@denimchicken104 Because this world sucks and everyone is evil. Assume that everyone is out to get you because most of the time it's 100% true. 99% of all humans are pure evil trash or mindless sheep with no will of their own. This world is an absolute heap of garbage, I can't wait until it all ends.😖🔫
That was my thought as well, especially since that's how I understood virtual console worked in the past. I didn't even have a problem with the price, since tailoring the emulator to each game is a lot of work and it gives them an excuse to do the same for less popular titles as well.
But if it's just gonna be a quick rom dump on an incomplete emulator...
@@krimsonkatt no not everyone, but it’s a rather stupid assumption to believe that billion dollar corporations are your buddies and looking out for you
@@denimchicken104 Exactly. The developers at Nintendo are just as much victims as us.
Dear goodness, that Gohma fight’s upsetting. That room should be WAY darker, it’s part of what made it so creepy. Seeing the faint silhouette of that creature crawling on the ceiling, the glowing eye being the only thing distinctly visible...
"I don't think it's reasonable to make someone pay for a game, then make someone prepare a network connection and charge a monthly fee." - Satoru Iwata
I wonder how he feels about all this. Although I'm willing to think that he's just rolling in his grave at this point.
That's seriously depressing.
@@A_Real_Bloody_Vampire don't worry, hopefully there will come a day when Nintendo goes back to the way it used to be and the great Iwata can rest in peace once again.
Oh man, that's rough...
I guess he said this during the Wii era? Didn’t he have a hand in the development of the Switch? What about all the complaints people had about Nintendo when he was still alive and healthy?
First Nickelodeon now Nintendo. The moment someone great passes away the company throws their ideals out of the way for money. Absolutely crappy business practices strike again.
Everytime Nintendo does something about emulation (most of the time in the most lazy and cheap way) I think about what Gabe Newell said about that: “The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates.”
ruclips.net/video/wIh4aUUK1lA/видео.html
And Nintendo takes it a step further, by also targeting emulators, while also providing a worse emulator for way more.
Absolutely, and even then with steam it's much more difficult to maintain the attention of players (at least before steam was a freakin monopoly) because of the platform. On pc, games are available elsewhere, for free and even on other platforms! But with Nintendo, it's their exclusive games, on their exclusive platform, it's unbelievable how much they take their fans for granted.
I've purchased a ton of DVDs for old TV shows in the last few years because pirate websites do such a bad job at de-interlacing that I just want to find a 30i source and do it myself. Nintendo's service needs an advantage like that. Find something the pirates can't do (or don't want to do) and then sell that.
@@llmkursk8254 but with Super Mario 3D All-Stars the emulation was fine, I really don't understand why if you SELECT 9 or 10 games to launch your new expansion pack (that you KNOW is gonna spike some controversy with the pricing), you don't curate in some way the experience to prove that the selection was a good choice. If they simple took an emulator and throw some roms, why not throw the entire collection or something like that? I forgot sometimes that we deal with Nintendo, I expect them to keep the same level of genius and excellency in this business decisions that we find in their games :(
"I might pay for it for like a month, just to check it out or whatever..." Exactly though. You can't. For some reason they want you to pay for the year up front or not at all. I definitely feel like this is Nintendo testing the waters for what they can get away with... it's extremely disappointing. Feels really dirty. And crushes any hope I would've had left for playing old games on my Switch.
As an aside: I'm genuinely surprised more people aren't talking about the fact that you HAVE to get the ACNH DLC bundled with it. You don't get it "included", what you're really paying is $25 for the DLC for a game you may or may not care about and $5 for the additional content. And, honestly... RENTABLE downloadable content?! Are you for real?! I'd expect that from EA but... man. I'll have to buy a powerful laptop one day for... reasons.
I mean rentable downloadanles can be a good thing, look at Microsoft's game pass, a ton of semi-current games for very, very cheap
Now let’s not forget about this to soon
@@chavaspada Game Pass is a great deal though. Hundreds of optimized games are available in that library, meanwhile Nintendo overprices their service for poor quality product.
And like... if you payed for for animal crossing dlc and get the expansion pass at any point that’s also wasted money even though you’re the target audience for ac. It’s so silly. Subscription service dlc is like a membership for free online games except it’s games you’ve already spent 80$ :/
@@chavaspada You're right they can be a good thing... they can also be a bad thing. Look at Nintendo. Look at how loot boxes when from 0 to almost 100. Look at how DLC which was made to make things better became something to finish the game.
Corporations tend to start something as good... which then becomes what Nintendo is doing.
If Nintendo does good enough then Microsoft's Game Pass will realize this and cut back on their effort.
sometimes I almost forget Arlo (as a character) is a puppet, that's some good puppeting right there
Love your comment and love your avatar even more, lol! I might gave grown up in the 80’s but that meme for some reason gives me such nostalgia!
@@tinyguy9398 here's a good one. How do you know when someone was born in the 80s?
They'll tell you
@@jamesduncan6729 damn this felt like a ratio.
How can you forget? What else did you think it was?
the input delay is definitely new, speedrunners have tested
Nintendo really dropped the ball. I mean, what happened to the old mantra of "A delayed game is eventually good, a game released in a bad state will always be bad"?
Yes, Nintendo CAN patch the emulator to be better, but they cannot patch the first impression people got, neither of dissatisfied users, nor of people like me who sit on the sidelines and watch the fallout.
Why didn't Nintendo say the simple phrase, "NSO N64 needs some more time, here is a preview, people who buy into the expansion pass now get 50% off"?
Or, hell: They could cherrypick games that work PERFECTLY, and say "Change of plans, we're working on some issues with the planned launch lineup, we apologize, have different games!"
I agree ^^' Those are good ideas, too
"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad." - Shigeru Miyamoto
You mean like all of Microsoft’s rushed products and things somehow always turn out for them?
You have to realize Nintendo of Japan's crew are now in their 50s and 60s, they're old people in Japan, and by the way, Japan's pretty strict when it comes to certain parts of gaming. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a government business issue with Nintendo. Personally, after the Nintendo Wii console, I have never bought a nintendo console since. Moved on to emulation, and never looked back. PC, Mac, and Linux all the way.
@@GundamGokuTV Damn! Well, if you’re going to put it that way….
Because Nintendo has literally been doing this for decades. They make some weird decision, then people will say “what the hell is Nintendo doing? They better wise up or they’re going to go out of business.” Then people forget about it when Nintendo announces a cool game, service, etc. until they make another dumb decision. Sometimes they learn, but it takes a while.
Same deal with Microsoft with the RRoD. They made a dumb hardware decision to try and save money but it backfired massively. People said that would be it for the Xbox line, but Microsoft made it right (with lots of stumbling along the way of course) and eventually people forgot.
You do know analogies are a thing that people use all the time??? Stop using your inferiority complex to belittle other people!
Part of what is sad to me is the fact that they could easily just dump roms of so many other n64 games onto the service all at once but they don’t, meaning the painfully slow drip feed of games is purely just a greedy and deliberate financial decision at the expense of the people paying $50 a year for it.
It’s extremely anti-consumer, and Nintendo knows what they are doing.
What would be even sadder to me, and just as likely, is Nintendo is legitimately redoing their work all over again just like they did on the Wii U albeit with different teams likely then during the wii/wii u eras. and technically, during the GBA/Gamecube eras as well although in a different physical representation rather then online. Because they do this awful thing where they make a custom setup for each game, rather then allowing for a full engine with some tweaks within it. And that set up is often not as good as those who emulate online.
In the N64 case specifically, this is less viable, because they likely would need to do a bunch of per-game modifications of the emulator to make sure that weird shit doesn't happen; this is how most older emulators used to work, and it's easier than making it perfectly accurate if all you want to do is get a few prominent games to work, which is not what most unofficial emulators ever go for nowadays. Of course, they left in so much shit in OoT, so I don't exactly know if they even care that much to begin with.
Note that NES and SNES emulation is so much easier that there would be much less of a need for this, so it likely wouldn't have the same issue.
@@hoodedman6579 Except they don't even do that. The pirated emulator versions of the games have so many things actually fixed that Nintendo's versions left in as bugs and game crashes. The pirated emulator games are way higher in quality in every conceivable way.
Nintendo's has always done dripfeeds, even back in the VC days where it wasn't subscription based. They just don't have a fire under their ass when it comes to the retro stuff.
@@braintendo4736 Nor do they have a fire under their ass when it comes to making an online service worth said subscription even outside the emulation. It wasn't worth the 20 bucks to me if we were just talking the ability to use other features due to how poor it is. It's not even remotely worth the new updated price as a result.
This is gonna sound real tin-foil hatty, but am I the only one who feels Nintendo's purposefully only putting in the bare minimum not out of laziness, but out of spite and ego? It feels like they get really insecure and upset whenever people mention wanting to play their older games, as if they're saying "Why the hell do you want to play our old games? They're old and suck, buy our new games or GTFO" and it kinda feels like they're begrudgingly, upsettingly making a service because they know people will just keep emulating if they don't. It kinda feels like they HATE the idea of people playing their older games, so they go out of their way to make sure there isn't a good way to play them. Either that, or I'm just attaching a personality to an entire company.
It seems like Nintendo is run by pretentious old people who sniff their own farts and absolutely adore it. They just keep perpetually getting more and more high off their own fumes, and whenever people aren't satisfied, they just close their ears and scream so they can't listen. Then, when their products fail like the Wii U, they finally realize they should get off their jenkem high-horse and listen to people for once.
nintendo's been acting out of spite for decades, it's a very strange thing for them to do
The only products they had that “failed” were the Wii U and Virtual Boy. And maybe the GameCube but I believe that was still profitable. I think they’ll get it sorted out or they won’t and people will move on either way and Nintendo will be fine.
@@egu5100 hell the only reason the wiiu failed is they didnt make any games for it.
@@KairuHakubi Kinda, that was not the initial reason though. The main reason it failed was because it was poorly advertised and consumers thought it was an attachment for the original Wii. The name really fucked it up. Due to its horrible sales, game production was kept minimum in favor for the 3DS. It’s why most of the Switch’s titles are ports from the Wii U.
@@king_kai28 well the name was really stupid yeah
isn't 'most' exaggerating? there are some wiiu ports on switch.
anyway it's stupid to refuse to make games due to low console sales. games sell consoles, that is always how it has worked.
The rumble in Mario 64 really made me think. At first I thought, "Well, you can't expect them to do that because that's adding new content." Then I thought, "But it's such a small thing. They have the source code for the American release and the Japanese release. It would take minimal effort. They've changed content before like changing the ads in Wave Race 64 for the Wii. Rare added content to Perfect Dark for Xbox 360 while keeping it true to the original. Why can't they just add rumble?"
It made me realize just how low my expectations are for Nintendo when it comes to porting old games and, in other cases like the fog, they can't even meet those expectations!
14:47 "I might sign up for like a month"
*Lol sorry Arlo but I'm pretty sure the only option is an annual payment.*
Something I wish you'd brought up that makes this all even more confusing is that the Genesis half is absolute quality. They got SEGA veterans M2 to make the emulator (same ones that made the Wii VC games and also the fantastic 3ds genesis ports) and it runs like a dream, possibly better than other current emus. If they had an optional lower plan with just the genesis game I'd pay up in a heartbeat. It even has rollback online unlike the N64???
need proof that rollback netcode was implemented.
It's not that confusing; N64 emulation is hard to the point that even the best N64 emulators can be weirdly spotty even today, while Genesis emulation is much easier to the point that it was fairly good a long while ago, so it's not too surprising that the Genesis half is done better. Of course, that doesn't explain how their N64 emulation has only gotten worse over time.
No matter the situation, Sega does what Nintendon't
Cause they N64 is hard to emulate?
Sega and SNES emulation has been perfected
N64 has some visual bugs even in the best emulators
@@jesusramirezromo2037 so why does nintendo's n64 emulator leagues behind the homebrew emulator fans ported over years ago?
It's honestly fascinating that console game devs are so opposed to the idea of remappable buttons still.
So I don’t like how Nintendo has handled all of this but I will say, I am pleased with how StarFox64 plays. I played that game so much as a kid and my mind remembers all the frame drops on the original n64 system that I used them as cues when enemies would appear on screen and use that to my advantage. On the NSO, there are no frame drops, it’s so weird, and it runs so smoothly. An example is on the lava level and every time the flying by creatures appear they make the game drop frames but in this version, they just fly in, no frame drops, and I was completely surprised.
Not even nintendo can get an 18 year old game to lag on modern hardware.
@@wurst1284 24 year old game* I feel so old
By 2017, debates against Virtual Console on the Switch looked so dumb, because it was an already multibillion dollar corporation not providing a service that was more than proven to work. But it looks even dumber now. People were citing that "well maintaining online is expensive" as if the Wii U drained all Nintendo's money. Now the Switch is on track to reach Wii sales numbers and has a lot of their own games selling 10 million copies. They can do better. They HAVE done better. Fans are still doing it better than them. But the people heading Nintendo simply don't care. So why should the fans care about buying this service when they could just emulate themselves?
Because Nintendo will sue them if they do.
"Why would that be an option then, and not now?"
Yeah, that's a good summary of most of Nintendo's online situation right now, isn't it :/
Because back then they did not sell the N64 Wireless Controller for the switch. Pretty sure they want to trigger people into buying that controller.
@@ZeChainwarden I didn't think of that, that's very possible. Fuck sake.
Because Iwata cared and was super passionate. When he died, Nintendo lost it's magic. They're 1st party games are great but everything else has ZERO leadership. The current and former President are businessmen, nothing else. May as well have EA running Nintendo.
@@ItApproaches THIS. Iwata actually cared about video games and consumers. He took personal responsibility for the Wii U's failure despite fucking Miyamoto being the one who actually designed it, and he even took a 50% paycut so he wouldn't have to lay anyone off while they were struggling. He was a natural-born leader, and even when he was the head honcho of Nintendo, he STILL went to smaller teams in the company to help with their projects since he was a master programmer, and he even loved to take game requests from employees.
If Iwata was around today, none of this would be happening. People credit Iwata for the Wii U's failure, but that's all Miyamoto's fault for designing a purposefully weak console just so they can "Save on people's power bills", advertising horribly, and relying on a controller gimmick that was both hard to advertise and hard to develop for, so most games didn't even bother with it.
@@Weedbongz Dude you got so much wrong there lol. Wii U failed from a poor name choice and utter failure to advertise. They wanted word of mouth to sell the system, like with the Wii. Miyamoto isn't to blame he's a game developer not hardware developer. Takeda is the hardware developer. The Wii U wasn't weak, that tired lie died years ago. Hell the Wii U is a better system then the Switch in every possible way, system wise.
If you just want to play OoT, just know that you can have a physical N64 and OoT for much less than the NSO + N64 Pad for the Switch.
I'd also add that the Gamecube version of OoT run perfectly fine, adding more salt into the obvious wound.
Me looking at the button mapping:
"I'm glad they didnt get to goldeneye."
Nintendo completely forgets that their players have something to bounce off of, aka Virtual Console. When Nintendo keeps taking steps backwards, more questions keep being raised.
I'm slowly realizing that every time Nintendo makes us pay too much money, it's almost ALWAYS broken.
Metroid Dread wasn't broken.
@@xenos_n. $60 wasnt too much it was worth it
@@frealish6622 Yeah if it were less I would begin to question quality.
@@marcoscabezolajr.8408 Why. That makes no sense. Ubisoft and EA games are the same price as Nintendo games. Does that mean Nintendo games are of the same quality as those?
What other time have they "made" us pay more money and offered a broken experience?
Another great video Arlo, every time my three year old sees you he says, "Hey! The Sesame Street one!"
Arlo... love your video's.
.. Why do I hold this pen 🤣🤣 0:17
Before the announced this service I was complete my personal N64 collection.
Yup.. going to play on my original N64 👌😁
HAH XD I didn't even notice the pen thing until you pointed it out, thank you
I love Arlo's videos, too, agreed! ^^
0:40 "give me my pen back"
Just get an Everdrive 64 and play every N64 game ever made on the original hardware.
My N64 collection is small and I'll do same. But at least, I'm sure that my collection stays with me, when switch is out. And it will not give a feeling of money lons in wind
14:46 Joke's on you, there *is* no monthly option. You have to buy the whole year.
This is what confuses me the most, no monthly/3 month options? Like....what?
I think that was done intentionally.
@@navi8801 they probably know people are going to be dissatisfied so they want to get as much money as they can from the people who won’t renew their subscription
Nintendo needs to be careful. This plan feels like they're leaving it up to luck. And they should know not to leave things to luck.
Nintendo roughly means “Leave luck to heaven”
@@mr.x2567 It goes a little bit further than that. Japanese Tactics has an article that goes into a bit more detail about the meaning of the name. It's meaning, however, is unfortunately a bit ironic now given Nintendo's current track record...
Its not luck, it's their knowledge that tendies will buy and eat up any crap they serve
@@stevenc2149 This all started because of, once again, "money talks" situation.
Pokémon's "last time they tried" game was BW(2). Those generations ended up underselling the previous gens. "Don't do it again" money says.
Nintendo made the GameCube, an innovative piece of hardware. That flopped. "Don't do it again".
Now Virtual Consoles happened. Nobody bought them and Nintendo reported their net loss with this method. "Don't do it again".
For one people are not really seeing the good that comes with these. Additionally I am sick of corporations NOT JUST NINTENDO but business corporations as a whole just thinking because it doesn't sell it means to never do it again. Even if it's economy law, it really SHOULD be "Try again, but harder and better". Every single video game company I know is starting to screw up, mostly Microsoft, Capcom, Atlus, even Sony with their censorship and apparently losing their exclusives without any good counter to the Game Pass. Now it looks like Valve is the knight in shining armor but even then for them to be the greatest they must face the problem of actually making games for their exclusives or keeping them up to date.
I gotta say, I love how your Metrioid Figure has a Winter Hat on. It's so cute!
The weird thing is we know Nintendo can do N64 Emulation on switch right. Mario 64 on Super Mario All Stars earlier this year ran FINE on the switch. No hiccups included, yet SOMEHOW Nintendo fucks the emulation up on NSO....just HOW!?
You know... I didnt even think about that. Smh
But also wasnt it confirmed that Nintedo just took the Dolphin Emulation for those games?
@@TheIinLiyzz Some of those claims did come from people who had CFW and downloaded the collection Illegally. However some of the Mario Sunshine claims were validated since Nintendo did update the game to remove the Dev blocks which is commonly seen on Dolphin, so I don't really know.
Did you know you can still play Kid Icarus: Uprising multiplayer free on the 3DS? Shows you how stupid paying for online is.
I remember when I first got my Switch back in 2017, I thought it would be awesome when Nintendo releases the Virtual Console for Switch, I almost took it for granted. So the years went by and now we’re in 2021 and I’m honestly just super disappointed Virtual Console never happened.
Seriously. My thoughts were “woo! Handheld and console games combined for a super cool and thorough virtual console!”
….
Now I just wanna play the older Metroid games
Cool profile pic
That’s why I keep my Wii U tbh.
@@dynamicbanteranimated8411 Imagine needing a 3DS and a Wii U to play old Metroid games when the switch exists
Ironically you can get a emulator on the switch and it runs better then this.
Arlo when I first started watching you I was in elementary school and couldn't even get a single nintendo console , now I finally got a s switch and I'm bout to graduate highschool thnx for being here all these years
My favorite thing right now is that they say it's worth $50 for a one-year subscription for one person, but I already paid $20 for a one-year regular subscription, and my upgrade price is $37... that would make it $57 for one year, effectively paying MORE money for one year even though I get the full service for LESS time. I'm gonna wait until my subscription runs out in July to try it, and hopefully at that point Majora's Mask will be on there too because that and OoT are the only two games on my list that I really want to hit from there.
Luckily Majora's Mask is one of the first "down the line" releases for NSO so that's good but...like wtf why not just have it at "launch"
Ss someone, who does not play AC and ownes the Mega Drive Collection, this expansion pack was never a good deal. I'm still at awe how hard they failed to deliver.
I don't understand why Nintendo keeps doing everything wrong when it comes to handling retro content during the Switch generation, but they are.
@@monkeycheese301 how
Maybe an entire virtual console library would compromise the indi sells. Just a guess.
@@Kaleid0skull I guess a majority of people want n64 games then got it then turned to terrible games.
@@monkeycheese301 how
@@Kaleid0skull IDK but he may be referring to how underappreciated the Virtual Console was since Nintendo spent so much money on them, and not many people bought the more obscure ones. Now that it's gone people have started to see its value more I guess
The background noise in this video made me think my car was messing up 😂
I love Arlo's setup. It gives me some sort of counsel therapy vibes.
I mean at this point there's no reason to not pirate everything. The fact that nintendo keeps it's past library under lock and key is already nonsensical, but now they expect people paying upwards of 50 dollars for drip fed, poorly optimized games? Yeah, no.
Emulation and piracy is too complicated for most people and some don't have PCs
@@LightPink
I'm emulating games just fine on my phone.
@@LightPink make it legal then.
@@urgae9125
Plz make it legal.
@@greenhillnerdnew8148 Emulation is legal. Just too much hassle for the normies (even though it's simpler than ever).
It's so weird how Nintendo handles value. On the one hand you get games like Breath of the Wild or Smash Ultimate, which are hyper value rich for their price point, offering hundreds of hours of gameplay for $60, then they do stuff like this where you overpay for weak emulation of old ROMs and not even a large variety of them . . . it's just so bizarre.
Perfectly balanced...
Yeah, that also baffles me.
Keep in mind that those games are still 60$...after almost 5 years
@@AlucardaPapere I actually like when games retain their value.
I can resell them for basically full price if I didn't like them and I can even get more money if I wait enough.
Meanwhile I paid 60$ for Kingdom Hearts 3 and 3 months later the game is worth fucking pennies and now I can't even sell the game for a mere 20.
Zelda is a good game but you say it's "hyper value rich" when GTA5 and Witcher 3 are $13 each.
(And all time low was $0 and $5 respectively)
0:17 I love the whole 2 seconds in which Arlo realized he was holding a pen.
Btw your puppeteering skills are top notch sir! Thank you for keeping the art alive!
Imagine how much revenue Nintendo has missed out on by not just selling their retro library to us thru Virtual Console for the 3rd time. Like. They clearly want us to emulate their products.
Honestly, the GBA was their last great piece of hardware. DS had hamfisted touch controls. And 3DS is...alright. Been emulating them since Nesticle lol.
On 3DS for 19.99 you can get a remastered version of OOT & MM. Far superior versions, and you own them forever
MM being superior on 3DS...Idk about that one chief.
@@Daniel328DT Looks aight to me
@@Soup-man Not the appearance, the changes in the game like bosses, certain puzzles and mechanics, etc. Some videos explain better than I do.
@@Daniel328DT IDK, I got it for my 3DS but only beat the first area.
@@Soup-man Basically some things are downgraded compared to the original.
"The less ROMs in the sky, the more people will buy!" -Nintendo, 2021
I love how Arlo's patronus is Snorlax 😂
The “f” in “Nintendo” stands for “fair pricing”
Love it
Wait a second….
Eh, there is no f in Ninten ... oh !
Next level comment lol
@SleepyWolf think about it just a little more. You’re almost there.
Another problem that wasn’t addressed here: you can’t remap the buttons for the N64 controller. That means games like Super Mario 3D Allstars can’t be played with it because the button mapping is garbage
oof. thanks for mentioning that. I was wanting to get one whenever they got back in stock for that and Turok. thanks for saving me $50+tax :)
Nintendo probably already forgot 3d all stars exists...
@@kirin1230 Indeed, but I haven't. Full price just for three barely-upscaled games with almost no options whatsoever (not even an open to use the left joy-con's gyro for Mario Galaxy since I'm left-handed and played it on the Wii with the remote in my left hand), and with one of those games now available on Switch Online. Boy do I feel cheated.
@@matthewmuir8884 Agreed. Honestly, for as lazy and souless as 3d all stars is, had they just put galaxy 2 on it, it would have at least been a good value for money compared to the Wii U pricing.
A 3d Mario collection deserves so much better... Concept art and BTS would've been amazing. Or even better, actually remasters, at least for 64.
Dude what? He literally mentioned it’s bad you can’t remap the controls for the games in the beginning of the video bruh
The hashtags in your descriptions always crack me up
Oh, Arlo's patronus is a Snorlax! That had me rolling. Thanks for making my day a bit better!
i tell everyone to not buy the nso thing, but buy dread. dread has some love poured into it.
this doesnt.
Totally agree, especially since Dread now has a free demo!
As a first metroid experiance it's quite swell and reignited my love for hard 2d platformers in me once again
I was gonna buy dread, oled switch, nso expansion pack and n64 controller
oled switch and n64 controller are sold out everywhere, and expansion pack is garbage. but I bought Dread
@@cookedghost *BET*
@@nathanbraun2067
When the oleds come back, i highly recommend it. I have one, and the stand is amazing. Your switch is safe to stand up, no wiggle on the table will kill it. Also- keep in mind the oled is slightly bigger than regular v2 switch.
My thing is like, now you’re paying nearly the same amount of money that PS+ and XBL charge, and you’re not even getting current gen titles for it.
PS+ is giving you free downloads of two PS4 games and a PS5 game every month. Xbox has their own version of this that, while I don’t have an Xbox, I’ve heard really positive things about. I don’t want to speak out of turn as I’m not 100% on the details, but they offer comparable if not better service.
Now, you’re paying $10 less than that per year for what, not even 10 N64 titles? That’s it. That’s the only reason to pay this extra fee. There is no service improvements. There is no added features. You can play on a weak multiplayer network, and you can’t even use N64 features like controller packs.
A single pretty mediocre DLC pack for a game everyone already stopped playing and a couple of games from the system that perpetually lost to Nintendo in every way.
And the stupid part is, these games are streamed, aren’t they? You don’t actually download any of them for offline play, correct? So they can’t even really tout the fact that the switch is “on the go” for these games. It’s just a handheld version, which I mean, tons of handheld devices play N64 games these days… and they do it offline. And they do it with button mapping and save data emulation and proper graphics.
Like not for nothing, but if I played every single PS+ title that was released every month for a year, it would cost me like less than $1.67 per title. And yeah, they’re not always AAA titles, but off the top of my head this year I’ve had games like Control, Hitman, Mortal Kombat, FF7, Days Gone, Battlefield, CoD, and that’s still just this year.
What paltry drip-feed has Nintendo given us for even NES and SNES titles? How long will it take them to even reach a dozen N64 titles on offer? Because it will take 4 months for PS+ to offer me 12 titles. That’s for damn sure.
God, I’m so over Nintendo’s holier than thou bullshit attitude. Fuck them. I’m going back to emulating everything, cause at least I know what I’m getting when I go that route. Games.
While I agree on many parts of this, I feel as though I have to point out that NSO games aren’t streamed, but are downloaded directly onto your console. So they are, in fact, truly portable.
tbf there's also the genesis games
... except you can buy those on PC for $30, keep them forever, and be able to play rom hacks of them (yep, sega even went out of their way to *add* a way to play rom hacks, it probably didn't even take much effort but thanks to nintendo stuff like that is a shock)
and the switch version doesn't even have Sonic 3 or Sonic&knuckles lmfao
The dlc was to get people to play again but as someone who got friends who had happy home, it doesn’t feel as grand. Even the new sets seem cheap compared to the ds who gave you a whole ass cake, big carousel and more. With NH some are already in so why not expand? Since it feels like is the same furniture but a new mechanic. And no new additions of themes like in new leaf with unique bridges, buildings and what not. So why even bother?
*sees Arlo playing with pen
Me: "I see you're a fellow fidgeter."
They failed to provide a single compelling reason to not just boot up an emulator and connect your pro-con anyway.
Jeez, we finally get to the part of gaming history that I'm really nostalgic for and Nintendo drop the ball this damned hard.
this is definitely what broke the camel's back for me, i've decided i will no longer renovate my nso subscription at all, not even the regular one, ironic how they wanted to attract more people but instead they made them go away
I stopped paying for NSO online over a year ago. Realised I never used it besides really for the occasionally smash game...which as you know has many issues. I've never looked back since. Why pay so much for only one game that doesnt even work well with the online. The online quality is far too bad too charge money at all honestly...plud They're online based game library is quite small...
Only reason I would keep it is for Rise. The Steam version is not cross platform
This was my thoughts exactly. This launch has actually reminded me i need to cancel my regular subscription
Seeing your comment reminded me to disable auto-renew, thanks! Just cancelled now.
NSO is unnecessary with Yuzu and Parsec anyways.
I am NOT giving them a penny, I hate this stupid circumstance that we Nintendo fans have to put up with recently
Edit: Jesus guys, thank you for the likes 😅
Same here. Enough is enough. Subbed to Classic NSO for almost 2 years now but I'm done.
The quality of the online service itself is still garbage (for me personally, only Mario Kart 8D is lag free and I have a great ISP). Using peer-to-peer connections for a PAID online service? No thanks.....
like i wiiu and 3ds wifi were ass too but at least they were free, and now we're paying for crappy internet.
Finally, someone that actually sees the problem!
Recently?! Nintendo has always taken advantage of their fans. They keep coming up with gimmicks that ends up selling to not only fans but also casuals. They make a ton of money and just coast until they need a new gimmick.
@schakalakadingdong dude why you gotta be like that?
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ARLOOOOOOOO ❤
I love how arlo seems so alive with his pen 😄
apparently they're not just dumping the ROMs, some of them actually have got some tweaks to the emulation (for instance, Ocarina of Time, the one with the _worst_ graphical issues, apparently had some tweaks to rearrange stuff in memory so it would run smoother, lower transition times, etc... _and yet they didn't do anything about the fog!)_ It makes no sense!!
Like, whyyy!!!
Honestly can't ever go back to the N64 version of Ocarina of Time after the quality of life changes in the 3DS version.
Also, wrt the input delay, it seems to be _graphical_ delay, not input delay, and it seems to be way worse on some games than on others. I heard that you can barely notice it on Mario Tennis but on Ocarina of Time it's really bad. A good way to tell what the extra delay time is, is to bonk against a wall and feel when the controller vibrates. It is actually really noticeable.
Thats the reason why I always use emulators. Emulators are better than Nintendo's lazy attempts at ports
@@kyledea187mdkjr5 I really haven't been able to play on emulators _or_ on Virtual Console, tbh, because I just can't get my muscle memory away from the original controller, which kinda sucks. The pro controller's mapping (as well as the shitty N64 USB controllers you can get online) are all so fucking sensitive, and no amount of fiddling with the settings has ever gotten it to work right.
Ironically, it seems like the N64 controller they offer actually has a chance to be good, which means that I'm gonna end up getting it, even though I should _not_ be giving them more money at this point.
@@ericvilas I've been using Emulators for almost a year and when you learn how they work, it becomes much better than Nintendo's ports
I love the little detail of Arlo looking down at his pen to pick it up. It's just stuff like that that really make this channel great
1. They charge close to the same if not more than the XBL/GamePass or PS Now services but give us 1% of the content.
2. They emulate the games without any additional QoL upgrades to have it run better nor more smoothly.
3. They take Super Mario 3D All Stars off the eShop so that if people want to relive Super Mario 64 they now have to pay a rental fee every month.
4. The service is competing with the catalog of games that people who enjoy those games already own and play on the original console... yet offer nothing to take them away from simply just playing their original titles on a pawned N64 for half the price of one month subscription.
5. The service has Animal Crossing DLC as a separate option to pay for if Animal Crossing fans don't want the other benefits of the service but offer none of this alternative for Nintendo Classics lovers.
6. As soon as Nintendo Switch servers go down you no longer have those games to play on your Switch. Also as soon as your no longer connected via WiFi there's an internal countdown that will eventually block you from playing NSO games until you reconnect to the internet.
7. Most if not all of these N64 titles can be remade in a better game engine in a year or two by one guy.
8. The online connections of all of their games also have garbage netcode which still hasn't been fixed and they blame the millions of people who bought their product instead of themselves saying that it has to be because you didn't buy the dated ethernet connector that takes up one of the precious USB ports.
9. Part of this cost is to be able to backup your Switch Save Data on their cloud drives... something that sounds like a guarantee that they should give out for free. Oh so your Switch corrupted your data but you didn't buy the NSO app? sucks to be you.
10. Nintendo is the epitome of anticonsumer make the switch to Sony and never be disappointed by their service.
This expansion is the stupidest thing Nintendo has done since last month when they made Pokemon Unite into a cash grab.
For some reason this video made me realize what a good puppeteer you are. I don’t think about the person behind all of this. Arlo = blue puppet guy in my brain.
*Fans:* "Nintendo, why are you charging us so much money for a broken service?!"
*Nintendo:* "We need the money to fix the service."
*Doesn't fix the service*
*Breaks the service even more*
Nintendo: Oops. We're gonna need more money...
And I'm pretty sure Nintendo isn't above pulling a stunt like that. Just take a look at their lack of effort on the Joycon Drifts.
"We need money to fix the service"
- Nintendo, a multi-billion dollar company
It's so fun hearing Arlo rant and then re-rant while delicately articulating said rant. This is the reason I tune in.
You mean, parrot what others said, state he’s not actually tried them yet and then profit off the anger of others. Because that’s literally all he did.
While that is true, I'm mostly referring to when he's speaking freely in front of the green screen. Bringing up the drip feed game selection, pricing issue combined with lack of optimization, those are his real thoughts and it was fun to hear him rant.
So what I'm hearing is that the expansion is literally just the lazy cash grab we all knew it would be, but somehow we STILL set our expectations too high by expecting a functioning product. How do you fail so hardcore. Just...like in every possible way this is awful. Amazing. Truly impressive.
If someone tells you these games aren’t “A functioning product” then they are lying. Just beat Mario 64 last night without a single issue, and restore points made it more enjoyable than ever.
@@TGtornadoe yeah but it's still lazy as freak
@@TGtornadoe well its objectively a cashgrab rip off.
How much do you love Adobe?
petition for likes so Arlo sees this
Every time he cuts from segment to segment, he's holding a different pen~
I actually cancelled my regular NSO subscription the other day. I hadn't played multiplayer in ACNH for so long. I still think paying for online when we used to have it free before is a shame, too ... yeah, I know it's how things are now, but still ...
That's good.
I actually did the same thing because I realized my service was about to be renewed (today I think) and I had already played through the NES and SNES games I cared about. It’s a shame because I was really looking forward to playing N64 games on the service, but I might as well wait until they have a good library or if they actually decide to fix any of the issues.
I mean the worst part is that like 70-80% of the time, it's not even going through a server that Nintendo is using that money to maintain. It's just a peer to peer connection hooking two switches up to eachother with no intermediate. That kind of connection is not what you are supposed to be getting when you sign up for an "online service"
I highly doubt I'll be renewing my subscription, either. Paying for Nintendo's sub-par online infrastructure when I can now emulate GameCube games from my PC and stream them to my friends online? No thanks.
I pay for the default because it's the only way I can currently play smash, Minecraft, and mario kart with my friends. It may be garbage but it's all we got.
Can we talk about how 3D All Stars has rumble, meaning they took it out for this Online service, but you couldn't turn it off at launch (hopefully that got patched, won't hold my breath)
KingK has a good quote on this whole ordeal "It's like someone at Nintendo is so angry that we want to play older content and give us the most minimal effort possible". Paraphrasing a bit, but it's hard to disagree when they hear people say "Why can't X be turned off" and proceed to remove it entirely instead of a toggle option for subsequent releases
Yes they are lazy and vindictive in the most immature ways. I still wont get even the base NSO because idgaf nes games or snes games, i want a working online. Thwn sell me the games.
its because its a completely different rom, they are using Shindou JP with a LUA script to apply the english translation and new textures
Huh... I heard someone else say that it had rumble.
@@CinnamonOwO Thank you, finally someone that actually knows what's going on with that. All of these so called nintendo fans who don't know any of the history.
Also the guy below me
They didn't take out the rumble. The 3D All Stars Mario 64 was the Shindou edition (released in Japan) and I'm assuming that's what they put on NSO, because the Shindou version has rumble. The NSO version is your regions version, for example, for me, it's the U.S. version without rumble and with glitches like BLJ.
I was starting to think we lost Arlo for a sec, went on a walk with pikmin and never came back
This issue highlights some of the biggest problems Nintendo has:
Not only are they SUPER behind the times and have NO understanding of the current gaming culture or what it wants from its companies; but they also are so confident in themselves that they can make a profit regardless of quality. I haven't bought the expansion because I'm here for the long game (waiting for a better and bigger library), but I know that plenty of people have bought it and THIS is what they get. I'm sure Nintendo can fix this (which is funny how they will only do it AFTER a bunch of sales) but this whole N64 issue is a prime example of the mindset Nintendo has: Sales via nostalgia and desperation purchases via FOMO first THEN we'll give our "faithful" (aka the aforementioned nostalgic and desperate) customers the quality we should've put in at the beginnning.
I definitely think there needs to be a lot more thorough analysis in everything about this service. The input lag and frame rate drops were completely nonexistent in the hours I spent playing both docked and handheld, but the lack of button remapping, the visual issues (that are especially noticeable in OoT)... even the lack of a CRT filter. There's just so much that's bare-bones and lacking, but I do worry that this will invite conflated issues that don't exist and just cause more drama then actually help anything
It boggles my mind that people are actually "on the fence" about this, it's terrible no matter how you look at it. If we keep paying for this crap, Nintendo will keep doing it. So if you really want to play N64 games, just freaking emulate them and be done with it.
It’s worth it for me, I don’t have a very good computer and even if I did I wouldn’t want to go to scetchy websites getting ROMs
@@hullsy5331 even a potato can run n64 games. besides, you can literally get the games from the first google result you get when typing the game you want to download
@@hullsy5331 you can do it on your phone you don't need much power and if you stick to the big sites you'll be fine
I'm not paying for this and I'm canceling my baseline NSO instead of renewing it in February because I'm sick and tired of paying for bad online. I already have flashcarts for NES, SNES, N64 and Genesis.
@@hullsy5331 If you know where to look, the site isnt sketching. You can also run Ems on your phone.
6:15 not true we have solved N64 emulation years ago to the point that nintendo shouldn't be having issues with as powerful of a console as the switch. Especially with how expensive they are pricing this. I remember running emulators for N64 games on my crappy computer back in the early 2000s and not having nearly as many issues.
if you think its just a PC vs console thing even the Wii VC emulation is better than the switch. I'm so glad I waited before trying to buy this as they aren't getting anything from me anymore. what an absolutely garbage product.
Emulators are good up to Nintendo ds games, Nintendo is really far behind.
Lmao you can literally hack the switch and use a third party emu and it runs better
You know, with how lazy the pokemon games have gotten, people say Nintendo should take more ownership and demand Creatures to make better games.
Now with Nintendo pulling this, they probably fully approve of the quality/effort going into making the game vs how much money is flowing
COD syndrome
The entire situation has been a blessing in disguise for me. It convinced me to pull out my old N64 and get everything up and running.
Small bit of advice. Look into turning your carts into roms. Sooner or later it's going to crap out but if you have those roms and an emulator then you'll have them forever (provided of course you take the steps to do that... but then again the cloud exists).
How does an N64 crap out? Iv had mine since the 90s and it still works? Maybe im just lucky idk the durability of these things.
@@Dudester100 The N64 fortunately doesn't have any moving parts beyond the switches so short of mechanical damage it's not likely to die.
@@Dudester100 Its less a matter of durability and more inevitability. No hardware we've ever made was built to last. Even if you were to never use it again,someday it'll just be worn out. Part of it is dust, part of it is natural erosion... it's just a fact of computers. Sure, you could try to get it repaired but with the parts copyrighted and the legality of reproducing them up in the air, you're probably going to have to pay an arm and a leg.
Thus, why I suggest looking into making roms of your carts. For that eventuality. Because the only other way it is stopped completely is that it's ruled 100% legal on a federal supreme court level to manufacture N64 parts.
@@Bit01ByBit01 How do you go about doing that?
"Why do I have a pen"
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ARLO
Nintendo hasn't maintained that "Seal of Quality" since the wii, all that shovelwear piling up and diluting the library going on to the wii-u's failure and the numerous subpar practices currently on play on the switch. It's mostly the fans who insist that Nintendo still holds that classic Seal of Quality that brought them success and created so many devoted fans in the first place, but it's long since gone. :(
That "Seal of quality" has been a joke since NES-Times.