I have never used the wool/poly fishnet. When I called the USA dealer, he recommends the poly pro netting. I Bought the short sleeve version in poly pro and it is the Bomb. Back in the 70's the only version available at REI was the Cotton, now there are three versions to select from. I wore the cotton version 365 days a year. It is cool in the summer with a shirt with ventilation allowing the moving air to pull the sweat away from the body. In the winter with a layer over the fishnet tramps and insulated yet letting the vapor move to the outer layers or out the bottom of the untucked layers. So glad it is once again available. The loss of fish net in the USA for 45 years is a case of marketing "the new best idea poly pro." Get a copy of Colin Fletcher's 1968 book, The Complete Hiker. Colin's unit in WWII wore fishnet. It was also used in WWI. It is sad how marketing tells us what to buy and what we need and how improved it is. I'm Still using my Optimus 00 kerosine stove and my Seva 123 both from the late 60's. They are ten stories above the canister stoves and at the same weight. Colin point that out to us in 1968. Love the Boundry Waters. My ex wife 's Christmas present to the four grown grandkids is a week in the BWCA. I recommend wearing fishnet every day, of the year. I always wear it in the Boundry Waters in summer.and winter
Wiggy’s out of Colorado, while mainly known for their sleeping bags, sells fish net long underwear. They were the first ones to teach me about them. Not entirely sure off the top of my head what material they are made from. I need to order some bottoms and tops. Wiggy’s also offers a secondary mesh top made to wear over the mesh base layer. Interesting stuff, that I look forward to trying out myself.
Thirty years ago, I saw lambs-wool mesh under-layers in a fishing gear shop in Haugesund Norway. They seemed too expensive for me at the time, but I've regretted not buying a set ever since. Thanks for the source.
If it's a shop for professionals, then things do tend to cost a lot, but last so much longer. It's almost silly how good clothing can be when the makers just make it as good as they can, and then just charge what they have to to make money off of it.
I've opted for the more economically priced Wiggys two layer long sleeve option. I'm only a week or so into my testing and we don't have true winter conditions yet but I'm amazed at how dry it keeps me during exertion
@@tomsitzman3952 I might keep the finer mesh shirt to wear as a bug resistant shirt but I cant see keeping both layers for the entire hike through the summer months
Wiggy’s is such an underrated gem of a brand. Nice to hear some feedback about their fishnet base layers as they seem to fly below the radar of most potential buyers.
Cheapo version - cycling inner mesh baselayer, and women's fishnet stockings. I've heard of American Footbal players who use the women's stockings. Cheapest Brynje product you'll find is the Super Thermo XC-Suit. I am mostly a bikepacker so I use MTB inner shorts, as a padded mesh baselayer for bellow my waist. I find that is enough for year round use. I use an extra pair of thick wool socks though. I've used them when hiking as well, since they're just comfortable, sweatabsorbant and antibacterial. But they are visible from above your pants/shorts, because of the foam padding sticking out. I've recently tried the women's stockings and they work beautifully for 3bucks. They are a bit frail though.
Video makes perfect sense. I have used a synthetic mesh base layer for years while road cycling - keeps you cool in summer heat and keeps you warm in winter cold - effectively introducing an air layer into your layering system so sweat cannot sit on your skin.
I have the wool and the polypro top and the polypro bottoms. The polypro holds less moisture, is a bit lighter and dries much faster than the wool. The wool doesn't retain as much odor, but it is a bit more fragile than the polypro. Years ago, well before merino base layers were a thing, I actually used some of the cotton mesh short sleeved tops for a base layer while doing alpine climbing. With such a limited surface area, the cotton top did a good job compared to the other options available at the time. Of course the other options at the time were those cotton "waffle tops" or the old itchy wool. I tried a short sleeve version to wear under my merino t-shirts in the summer. Here in the humid Southeast, a mesh layer helps giver your sweat an opportunity to get away from your skin and actually provide some evaporative cooling.
Shug Emery is the greatest! I love him even though my wife thinks his whoo buddy is annoying! He's an amazing hammocker and winter hiker/camper! If he recommends mesh, that's the way to go!
I remember my uncle who had spent a lot years in Alaska saying that the warmest undergarments were a silk base layer with wool secondary layer. He would never wear cotton of any kind in the winter.
There are surplus Danish mesh t-shirts. They are goofy and long, like a short dress. But I love them. 100% synthetic, dirt cheap. HMAK 1986 I discovered them reading Wiktor Suworow's "Aquarium". Soviet specnaz was using such underwear, but much thicker nets
I typically wear a Merino blend 1/4 zip. This Dec I went hiking with a gentleman that was wearing this netted baselayer and he had good results around 20*F. I'll have to put it on the list for next winter, I was considering a "body mapped" baselayer, more breathable in hot zones and more material in cool zones.
Good video brother. Gear is super serious when getting outdoors, especially during inclement weather. I wear merino wool socks but haven't bit the bullet to get one for my top. It's definitely worth giving it a try. I imagine it would work really well as an outer layer while moving and then would need a compressible jacket supplement when I stop moving out here in NE. Thanks for sharing.
What this makes me think of is if Patagonia were to make a Capilene air lightweight version. The Capilene air base layers are more of a midweight in terms of the warmth that they provide. The design between this shirt and the general netting style design of the Capilene air base layers is very similar, they just have a different style construction and more loft to their fibers.
Great vid! I sat up straight when you said Shug! I know that feller from the hammock forums back in the day. Just an FYI, Brynje is pronounced BRIN YAY! It is a bit more fun to say in it's native sound! ;)
String vest,Helly Hansen Lifa.Have been using them both for 30 odd years (I the Live in UK) Buffalo Shirt/smock,dont need anything else when on the move,just a Down Jacket +Trs when camped up.
I had a wool mesh tshirt that I wore back in the late 70's. Not sure who made it...or where I got it. Worked great. If I recall correctly Fleece and polypro were just coming into the markets. I was still wearing wool and hiking with my trusty Kelty frame pack.
I have three pieces of Brynje wool netting tee's, and they tick a lot boxes but they will get damp. The fluffy terry cloth knit merino/synthetic Woolpower 200g never gets damp, and the total point of contact with the skin is probably similar to that of Brynje's. My two pieces of 1/4 zip 200g has lasted me some 20-30 years over fall-winter-spring and countless of hot washing cycles. Honest and very long time verdict is top marks in every aspect, warm, cool, dry, light, stretchy, comfy, and whatever else. If there's anything I'd remark on, the Woolpower long johns 200g fit nice and tight after wash, but do bag out somewhat after a few days of wear. That said, I wear the long johns in 15-20 Celcius and down to -12 or -15, at which point I put on an extra, or the 400g. The zip top is too warm above 8-10 Celcius. And I do think they got their teeshirt wrong: it's really warm and needs the zip vent.
To my rant I should add that my Brynje wool netting long johns likewise do get damp during hiking. But they're really excellent for pj's or low activity in temperate climate or travelling/office etc.
Having used pieces from both Aclima and Brynje I can confirm the performance of these kind of baselayers. Both Aclima and Brynje share a really poor fit, however. They're both about 80%/20% wool/polyamide I think. Expect to size up from what you'd expect from their size charts and be prepared for long sleeves that aren't very long. My Aclima stuff wore out very quickly and, whist the Brynje material seems more durable the fit is poor - very snug in the shoulders and a good 5" short of my wrists. The mesh stuff from Ortovox is a way better fit and is much stretchier, and their Thermovent products are happily 99% merino and just 1% polyamide. It's very expensive though, so I'll be acquiring items as and when I spot them at end-of-season prices.
In addition to my initial comment ; the Ortovox Thermovent is not, according to Ortovox's reply to a question I asked about these items, superwashed merino in the conventional way, so not bleach/plastic coated like a lot of merino. I don't think it's enzyme washed either as it's very stretchy indeed, which isn't usually the case with enzyme washed stuff. These treatments are applied to merino to make the fibres smooth and resist felting when machine washing items. Although Ortovox weren't forthcoming about the treatment they DO use, apart from saying that it wasn't a superwash process, from experience with other kinds of treatments my feeling is that it's a so-called plasma process, using just static electricity to smooth the fibre surface. This gives a slightly singed smell from the product when new and not yet machine washed. Just my impression, however. As for the stretchiness, its my feeling, again without being able to get a direct answer on this, that the very small ratio of polyamide (1%) in the material used for these base layers indicates a proprietary version of the 'Nuyarn' process, which is neither corespun nor merely blended, but which results in a stretchy, springy fibre, much stretchier than conventional spinning techniques.
@@alexlyee In my experience I'd say the Ortovox is the best performing and my tops are holding up better than both the Aclima and Brynje tops I've had. I've acquired four Ortovox tops, - which I'm using daily in rotation, - at variously reduced prices. I'm currently using three sets of Brynje Wool Thermo leggings in rotation - these being more durable than the Aclima ones I've had and way cheaper than the Ortovox ones, which I'll keep an eye out for in the end-of-season sales as they're a no-no at full RRP. The Brynje leggings are a decent fit, sized down to an XS, as with the Aclima, unlike the tops which I felt I needed to size up, with the Brynje clearly superior in durability. Not very stretchy, but I'm happy with them until they wear out, which may be several years by the look of it. Nonetheless, the Ortovox items are something I'm bearing in mind.
I’m sold. There’s a store less than 2 hours from me that has them. Rock and snow in New Paltz NY. Im headed to the Himalayas on Tuesday to test it. . Maybe during winter hikes I can continue the push, rather than slowing down so I don’t sweat.
I've oinly heard the name I'll have to check them out. I don't deal w/extreme cold very often but I'm all for wearing as little as possible to stay warm. I often wear an alpaca t-shirt or an icebreaker or Duckworth long sleeve as a base layer depending on the degree of cold. Thanks & interesting !
Honestly it reminds me a bit of the new(er) polartec alpha stuff that Senchi makes. It is a lot lighter than a nrmal fleece and is kind of 'holey' but certainly not mesh. I may have mentioned them in your comparison video.
I have been wearing the Patagonia capilene 4 base layer top and bottom has my active layer, when I know I'm going to be sweating. It's a synthetic where that's similar but not that close to the mark. I think they're around the same price range as well. Although this base layer has worked very well for me in the past I think I'm going to give the wool mesh a shot next winter. Thanks for the review.
I'm wondering if mesh see through shirts might also work if they're made out of the right type of fabric. Because if they would work then that would be the cheapest way to go.
@@SkyForceOne2I think with fishnet, the fiber actually makes little (but not none) difference, so a nightclub synthetic version would problems work quite well, better than any branded non fishnet, and be an extremely cheap option.
Meaty chunks < Sheba Two of my three cats are super picky about treats. It doesn't matter what kind of fancy artisan nibbles i bring home, they'll only eat Feline Greenies. The other one is a garbage can and eats everything, including these freaky-looking dried sardines.
Great information …. It obviously traps a lot of air between your skin and the first base layer maximizing the insulation effect …. And being wool it doesn’t have the problems of say a cotton string vest (getting wet and staying wet) and is probably naturally anti-microbial as well … I like the fact it has the pads in the shoulders for the back pack straps great thinking there👍👍 yeh it’s pricey but then what piece of quality clothing isn’t ?? Except of course the Costco down jacket you had on at the outtro …. I got one too … I still love mine and it was a bargain !!! 😂
Why did you choose the wool over the synthetic version? There's a blog post on their site that essentially says the synthetic version is better in every aspect than the wool...
Agree. I first bought the wool, thinking the polypropylene would stink (as it usually does), but then several people wrote that it doesn’t. I agree, the Brynje polypropylene (Super Thermo mesh) doesn’t smell. It’s the same, or better than regular merino shirts. So I too want to ask @midwest backpacker, why the wool version?
Had a Norwegia wool mesh base layer ages ago. DESPITE my warnings my wife washed them AND put them in the dryer. They shrank 5 sizes smaller.Aaaaarrggghhh! It was polyester ever after that incident.
I think, we need to rethink weaves to be counter intuitive. I wonder, if a wide mesh base layer is just creating a better climate to your skin and your moisture whicking needs to be as far away from your body as possible. So: Mesh Baselayer, then a fleece or a normal baselayer that "whicks". And if it gets colder, a mesh, another smaller mesh and then a "whicker"? Its probably: Condens your condensation as far away as possible, holding the "warm climate" in the meshes. And then on top perhaps a thin softshell for enough wind protection...of if you go that pesky hardshell because of rain, do just a fleece to prevent you getting that condensation back into the bases.
do the wool mesh shirts have give or stretch like a typical merino or polyester shirt? asking for sizing purposes so there is enough give for movement with a smaller size of the shirt.
I ordered the Brynje bra for my family members, thinking it would be perfect, but unfortunately, it is the version with solid wool fabric over the mesh, and wool knits in many places, so it is worse than other sports bras at retaining moisture.
Castelli has their wool Miracolo shirts , which is this type of fishnet, but all the others I have seen are mesh, not fishnet. Meaning, they are more fabric, less holes.
He is not being paid by them that is for sure. Said name wrong whole time. At the top of there own web page it says "Pronounced "Brin-ya". :) The products they provide are some of the best. I own multiple pieces of clothing from them now. I have the 3/4 pants in the Arctic Collection and they are to be used on the coldest of days. I am ordering the Super Thermo Mesh as I want them for the 10°f and up temperature.
If you want a wool long sleeve , Castelli makes their “Miracolo” version. It’s better fit than the Brynje and works better because it doesn’t have thick knitted cuffs. If Brynje could fix the sizing, and ditch the thick doubled, cuffs and neck collars, they’d have a real winner. Same for the underpants. They have a non mesh panel in the font and back center, right where you need the most breathability. I get that they are thinking of “modesty” but there is no way I’m wearing the long undies without underpants underneath anyway. Or the boxers in view either, so why be concerned about that? The short sleeve and sleeveless shirts are better in fit and finish.
I just came across your video, thanks for taking the time to make it. You should check out Wiggy's. I used his products in the military and it never let me down. He has a RUclips channel and has been in the clothing industry forever.
What? Needing Norwegian subtitles? Really dude!? Skipped Norwegian in school? But seriously, I have never used fish net base layer but I have heard it is the way to go on the trail AND...dual purpose... can be worn Fridays; out on a club night! 😂
Shug is a few tacos short of a fiesta, but otherwise great review! Tough to spend that kind of money without a thorough review to shore up confidence that it will be decent gear.
The Brynje products are extremely high quality. My Benie hat I've had for 20 years now. I have have fishnet long johns and shirts that are older than 15 years, and are still in use. Although here in Norway we have an excellent customer service where they fix all damaged products: I don't know about the US.
100$ through Fed Ex to ship to Canada !!!??? 53$ shipment on check out through Brynje then when I inquire why shipment notification is taking so long !? They say it will cost over 100$ USD to ship through Fed Ex. Someone’s taking advantage of the Canadian Postal strike. Greasy !!! CANCELING MY ORDER BY END DAY, TODAY !!
Because (big) companies exist to make money, and to do that, they need to sell lots. Mesh baselayers work well, but look strange, and have certain limitations, so don’t sell in large numbers.
Wool or synthetic option, to keep one warm ish, during long movements and high activity while under rain and near 0ºC temperatures? Also, did you overheat under high activity and had to remove layers?
It is overpriced for what it is. $104 for some mesh just because it works is wild man. It doesn't even cost anywhere near that much to make it. Lol Shirts that use up more material like a full wool shirt aren't even that expensive, but poke some holes in it and use up less material and that somehow racks up the price.
The best part of ordering the wool mesh unisex base layer is that it comes with new pronouns! They/them, all the way. Just like the cool kids at your local liberal arts college! 🎭 🦄
Very strange to hear. I have both long and short version, and both are the best moisture management baselayers I have ever tried (and I have tried many, many). Except for the knitted cuffs.
@tjb8841 In my case all moisture collects in the mesh filamente. And because the mesh have smaller surface the evaporation was slower. I am 66 and ride my bike also in winter 350km every week and run 50km every week and the mesh base laser was not satisfying. Maybe every body is different. Also I do ice swimming 4 times per week and be adapted to the cold
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I have never used the wool/poly fishnet. When I called the USA dealer, he recommends the poly pro netting. I Bought the short sleeve version in poly pro and it is the Bomb. Back in the 70's the only version available at REI was the Cotton, now there are three versions to select from. I wore the cotton version 365 days a year. It is cool in the summer with a shirt with ventilation allowing the moving air to pull the sweat away from the body. In the winter with a layer over the fishnet tramps and insulated yet letting the vapor move to the outer layers or out the bottom of the untucked layers. So glad it is once again available. The loss of fish net in the USA for 45 years is a case of marketing "the new best idea poly pro." Get a copy of Colin Fletcher's 1968 book, The Complete Hiker. Colin's unit in WWII wore fishnet. It was also used in WWI. It is sad how marketing tells us what to buy and what we need and how improved it is. I'm Still using my Optimus 00 kerosine stove and my Seva 123 both from the late 60's. They are ten stories above the canister stoves and at the same weight. Colin point that out to us in 1968. Love the Boundry Waters. My ex wife 's Christmas present to the four grown grandkids is a week in the BWCA. I recommend wearing fishnet every day, of the year. I always wear it in the Boundry Waters in summer.and winter
Wiggy’s out of Colorado, while mainly known for their sleeping bags, sells fish net long underwear. They were the first ones to teach me about them. Not entirely sure off the top of my head what material they are made from. I need to order some bottoms and tops. Wiggy’s also offers a secondary mesh top made to wear over the mesh base layer. Interesting stuff, that I look forward to trying out myself.
I love my kerosine stoves as well. Reliable as hell and the fact that you're using liquid fuel but getting such a large heat output is really nice.
Thirty years ago, I saw lambs-wool mesh under-layers in a fishing gear shop in Haugesund Norway. They seemed too expensive for me at the time, but I've regretted not buying a set ever since. Thanks for the source.
If it's a shop for professionals, then things do tend to cost a lot, but last so much longer. It's almost silly how good clothing can be when the makers just make it as good as they can, and then just charge what they have to to make money off of it.
Wow, that freeze in snow technique is gold. I thought, for sure, you were going say, "I bit the bullet and learned Norwegian."
I read your comment about 10 or 15 seconds before he said that and I still thought he was gonna say he learned Norwegian.🤣
Same!!
"You're... too sexy for your shirt... too sexy for your shirt... your Norwegian mesh shiiiiirrrttt..." Great video. I may get one of these things.
I've opted for the more economically priced Wiggys two layer long sleeve option. I'm only a week or so into my testing and we don't have true winter conditions yet but I'm amazed at how dry it keeps me during exertion
Don't limit yourself to cold weather with your fishnet. They are almost better in the summer.
@@tomsitzman3952 I might keep the finer mesh shirt to wear as a bug resistant shirt but I cant see keeping both layers for the entire hike through the summer months
Wiggy’s is such an underrated gem of a brand. Nice to hear some feedback about their fishnet base layers as they seem to fly below the radar of most potential buyers.
This has been a hilarious topic at work recently about staying warm outside. Lol.
Cheapo version - cycling inner mesh baselayer, and women's fishnet stockings.
I've heard of American Footbal players who use the women's stockings.
Cheapest Brynje product you'll find is the Super Thermo XC-Suit.
I am mostly a bikepacker so I use MTB inner shorts, as a padded mesh baselayer for bellow my waist. I find that is enough for year round use. I use an extra pair of thick wool socks though. I've used them when hiking as well, since they're just comfortable, sweatabsorbant and antibacterial. But they are visible from above your pants/shorts, because of the foam padding sticking out. I've recently tried the women's stockings and they work beautifully for 3bucks. They are a bit frail though.
I wore this all the time during winter in the army. Did my year of service in the north of Norway. 🥶😅
I love your pronunciation of "Brynje". I'll start to use it here in Norway, too... Thanks....
At the very beginning of the video I heard something like "burn your wool mesh orpvsrtchrtrt"
I particularly enjoy that the correct pronunciation is shown at the top at 5:27, but obviously was missed 😂
Video makes perfect sense. I have used a synthetic mesh base layer for years while road cycling - keeps you cool in summer heat and keeps you warm in winter cold - effectively introducing an air layer into your layering system so sweat cannot sit on your skin.
I have the wool and the polypro top and the polypro bottoms.
The polypro holds less moisture, is a bit lighter and dries much faster than the wool. The wool doesn't retain as much odor, but it is a bit more fragile than the polypro.
Years ago, well before merino base layers were a thing, I actually used some of the cotton mesh short sleeved tops for a base layer while doing alpine climbing. With such a limited surface area, the cotton top did a good job compared to the other options available at the time. Of course the other options at the time were those cotton "waffle tops" or the old itchy wool.
I tried a short sleeve version to wear under my merino t-shirts in the summer. Here in the humid Southeast, a mesh layer helps giver your sweat an opportunity to get away from your skin and actually provide some evaporative cooling.
Thanks for this info.
Been using Brynje here now in Norway for years. The quality is designed for warmth! Get a set or two
Shug Emery is the greatest! I love him even though my wife thinks his whoo buddy is annoying! He's an amazing hammocker and winter hiker/camper! If he recommends mesh, that's the way to go!
I have often wondered why the netting is not popular in the US as well.
I am using it and I am satisfied with their product. yes, it is expensive but you only need one.
Now the image of Jeremy pole dancing with a tree is forever embedded in our heads!!!
Interesting shirt though
You’re welcome. 😘
I remember my uncle who had spent a lot years in Alaska saying that the warmest undergarments were a silk base layer with wool secondary layer. He would never wear cotton of any kind in the winter.
I've been curious about these for a couple years. I'll have to add to my list for when my current set wears out.
I wear one of these under my hecks gear and its worked like a charm
There are surplus Danish mesh t-shirts. They are goofy and long, like a short dress. But I love them. 100% synthetic, dirt cheap. HMAK 1986
I discovered them reading Wiktor Suworow's "Aquarium". Soviet specnaz was using such underwear, but much thicker nets
I typically wear a Merino blend 1/4 zip. This Dec I went hiking with a gentleman that was wearing this netted baselayer and he had good results around 20*F. I'll have to put it on the list for next winter, I was considering a "body mapped" baselayer, more breathable in hot zones and more material in cool zones.
Your intro went right for the kill. Loved it.
They do sound like a nice lightweight sleep set up too. Will have to check them out more.
Man that boy Toots comes from good stock ! Great video and yes I'd like a pair of them too
Very cool. I’ll look into them! Great review bud!
Never had seen that product. Thanks. I've been looking for something to wear as a new base layer. I sweat just thinking about it.😀 Take care, Al
I can't unsee that tree dance.
Good video brother. Gear is super serious when getting outdoors, especially during inclement weather. I wear merino wool socks but haven't bit the bullet to get one for my top. It's definitely worth giving it a try. I imagine it would work really well as an outer layer while moving and then would need a compressible jacket supplement when I stop moving out here in NE. Thanks for sharing.
What this makes me think of is if Patagonia were to make a Capilene air lightweight version. The Capilene air base layers are more of a midweight in terms of the warmth that they provide. The design between this shirt and the general netting style design of the Capilene air base layers is very similar, they just have a different style construction and more loft to their fibers.
Great vid! I sat up straight when you said Shug! I know that feller from the hammock forums back in the day. Just an FYI, Brynje is pronounced BRIN YAY! It is a bit more fun to say in it's native sound! ;)
String vest,Helly Hansen Lifa.Have been using them both for 30 odd years (I the Live in UK)
Buffalo Shirt/smock,dont need anything else when on the move,just a Down Jacket +Trs when camped up.
I had a wool mesh tshirt that I wore back in the late 70's. Not sure who made it...or where I got it. Worked great. If I recall correctly Fleece and polypro were just coming into the markets. I was still wearing wool and hiking with my trusty Kelty frame pack.
I have three pieces of Brynje wool netting tee's, and they tick a lot boxes but they will get damp.
The fluffy terry cloth knit merino/synthetic Woolpower 200g never gets damp, and the total point of contact with the skin is probably similar to that of Brynje's. My two pieces of 1/4 zip 200g has lasted me some 20-30 years over fall-winter-spring and countless of hot washing cycles. Honest and very long time verdict is top marks in every aspect, warm, cool, dry, light, stretchy, comfy, and whatever else.
If there's anything I'd remark on, the Woolpower long johns 200g fit nice and tight after wash, but do bag out somewhat after a few days of wear. That said, I wear the long johns in 15-20 Celcius and down to -12 or -15, at which point I put on an extra, or the 400g. The zip top is too warm above 8-10 Celcius. And I do think they got their teeshirt wrong: it's really warm and needs the zip vent.
To my rant I should add that my Brynje wool netting long johns likewise do get damp during hiking. But they're really excellent for pj's or low activity in temperate climate or travelling/office etc.
I don’t think a RUclips video has ever made me laugh and go straight to the comments that fast!
I’ll be going in tour soon. 😜
Having used pieces from both Aclima and Brynje I can confirm the performance of these kind of baselayers. Both Aclima and Brynje share a really poor fit, however. They're both about 80%/20% wool/polyamide I think. Expect to size up from what you'd expect from their size charts and be prepared for long sleeves that aren't very long. My Aclima stuff wore out very quickly and, whist the Brynje material seems more durable the fit is poor - very snug in the shoulders and a good 5" short of my wrists. The mesh stuff from Ortovox is a way better fit and is much stretchier, and their Thermovent products are happily 99% merino and just 1% polyamide. It's very expensive though, so I'll be acquiring items as and when I spot them at end-of-season prices.
In addition to my initial comment ; the Ortovox Thermovent is not, according to Ortovox's reply to a question I asked about these items, superwashed merino in the conventional way, so not bleach/plastic coated like a lot of merino. I don't think it's enzyme washed either as it's very stretchy indeed, which isn't usually the case with enzyme washed stuff. These treatments are applied to merino to make the fibres smooth and resist felting when machine washing items. Although Ortovox weren't forthcoming about the treatment they DO use, apart from saying that it wasn't a superwash process, from experience with other kinds of treatments my feeling is that it's a so-called plasma process, using just static electricity to smooth the fibre surface. This gives a slightly singed smell from the product when new and not yet machine washed. Just my impression, however. As for the stretchiness, its my feeling, again without being able to get a direct answer on this, that the very small ratio of polyamide (1%) in the material used for these base layers indicates a proprietary version of the 'Nuyarn' process, which is neither corespun nor merely blended, but which results in a stretchy, springy fibre, much stretchier than conventional spinning techniques.
@@danceswithbadgers if price wasn't an issue is one clearly the best?
@@alexlyee In my experience I'd say the Ortovox is the best performing and my tops are holding up better than both the Aclima and Brynje tops I've had. I've acquired four Ortovox tops, - which I'm using daily in rotation, - at variously reduced prices. I'm currently using three sets of Brynje Wool Thermo leggings in rotation - these being more durable than the Aclima ones I've had and way cheaper than the Ortovox ones, which I'll keep an eye out for in the end-of-season sales as they're a no-no at full RRP. The Brynje leggings are a decent fit, sized down to an XS, as with the Aclima, unlike the tops which I felt I needed to size up, with the Brynje clearly superior in durability. Not very stretchy, but I'm happy with them until they wear out, which may be several years by the look of it. Nonetheless, the Ortovox items are something I'm bearing in mind.
@@danceswithbadgers tysm!
I’m sold. There’s a store less than 2 hours from me that has them. Rock and snow in New Paltz NY. Im headed to the Himalayas on Tuesday to test it. . Maybe during winter hikes I can continue the push, rather than slowing down so I don’t sweat.
My granddad was wearing mesh shirt. I found it very odd. Now I know why.
He was a navy veteran. Arctic, WW2.
Awesome video, thank you for the personal testimony. I will be bitting the bullet too thanks to youre advice.
I've oinly heard the name I'll have to check them out. I don't deal w/extreme cold very often but I'm all for wearing as little as possible to stay warm. I often wear an alpaca t-shirt or an icebreaker or Duckworth long sleeve as a base layer depending on the degree of cold. Thanks & interesting !
Honestly it reminds me a bit of the new(er) polartec alpha stuff that Senchi makes. It is a lot lighter than a nrmal fleece and is kind of 'holey' but certainly not mesh. I may have mentioned them in your comparison video.
You don't have to be in extreme cold, it works in the summer to cool you. Where it you around.
REI sold a mesh base layer years ago, I have a top…best base layer for winter biking!
I have been wearing the Patagonia capilene 4 base layer top and bottom has my active layer, when I know I'm going to be sweating. It's a synthetic where that's similar but not that close to the mark. I think they're around the same price range as well. Although this base layer has worked very well for me in the past I think I'm going to give the wool mesh a shot next winter. Thanks for the review.
You bet dare bud. Good talkin’ to ya. Thanks!
We’ve been wearing string vests in Scotland 🏴 for donkey’s years 😂.👍
I'm wondering if mesh see through shirts might also work if they're made out of the right type of fabric. Because if they would work then that would be the cheapest way to go.
found several mesh shirts on Amazon just by searching mesh shirt they were night club marketed but seemed fine
im not sure if your comment is of comedic nature, but the fibre really makes a difference aswell. wool is just so nice
@@SkyForceOne2I think with fishnet, the fiber actually makes little (but not none) difference, so a nightclub synthetic version would problems work quite well, better than any branded non fishnet, and be an extremely cheap option.
Meaty chunks < Sheba
Two of my three cats are super picky about treats. It doesn't matter what kind of fancy artisan nibbles i bring home, they'll only eat Feline Greenies. The other one is a garbage can and eats everything, including these freaky-looking dried sardines.
Awesome idea! Many thanks! P.S. Well done for the ice dive! 🤠👍
What brand jacket is that at 3:52 ? the olive green one.
@@johnwhatley ruclips.net/video/fKNn0T7QLh8/видео.htmlsi=tkWSJ6GfTeAfMRWG
Your intro was amazing lol
Great information …. It obviously traps a lot of air between your skin and the first base layer maximizing the insulation effect …. And being wool it doesn’t have the problems of say a cotton string vest (getting wet and staying wet) and is probably naturally anti-microbial as well … I like the fact it has the pads in the shoulders for the back pack straps great thinking there👍👍 yeh it’s pricey but then what piece of quality clothing isn’t ?? Except of course the Costco down jacket you had on at the outtro …. I got one too … I still love mine and it was a bargain !!! 😂
I never had the old cotton fishnet get wet . It is a supper wicker. and the warm body heat keeps it dry.
Why did you choose the wool over the synthetic version? There's a blog post on their site that essentially says the synthetic version is better in every aspect than the wool...
Agree. I first bought the wool, thinking the polypropylene would stink (as it usually does), but then several people wrote that it doesn’t. I agree, the Brynje polypropylene (Super Thermo mesh) doesn’t smell. It’s the same, or better than regular merino shirts.
So I too want to ask @midwest backpacker, why the wool version?
I’m subscribing on the grounds of that awesome pole dance
'Wiggy's' has a great alternative if price is an issue.
they make a synthetic as well.
Correct
Had a Norwegia wool mesh base layer ages ago. DESPITE my warnings my wife washed them AND put them in the dryer. They shrank 5 sizes smaller.Aaaaarrggghhh! It was polyester ever after that incident.
Ahh yes, I got that incident one. Hilarious with painful smile.
You should have washed it yourself 😂
Does the polyester work just as well?
You're largely paying for the holes, so plastic should work just as well, maybe better than wool.
LOL- why does your wife do your laundry? Looser.
What was that wool mid layer you were using?
Thanks for this. Intrigued.
This new subscriber thanks you
You're friends with Shug?!?! Lucky :))
As a Midwesterner who ended up going from the Antarctic to the Arctic, this is pure gold. Thank You for sharing. What was that green parka?
Lester River Bushcraft boreal annorak
Would you recommend these for hunting? About a mile walk then some climbing but after that I sit all day.
If you get overheated walking in, yes.
Was it true to size or should we size up
True to size. It is suppose to be kind of fitted. It wasn’t too tight though.
@@MidwestBackpacker thanks. I'll give it a try. Appreciate the review
What kind of boots are you using?
@@ethanl.8087 Steger Mukluks
I think, we need to rethink weaves to be counter intuitive. I wonder, if a wide mesh base layer is just creating a better climate to your skin and your moisture whicking needs to be as far away from your body as possible.
So: Mesh Baselayer, then a fleece or a normal baselayer that "whicks". And if it gets colder, a mesh, another smaller mesh and then a "whicker"?
Its probably: Condens your condensation as far away as possible, holding the "warm climate" in the meshes. And then on top perhaps a thin softshell for enough wind protection...of if you go that pesky hardshell because of rain, do just a fleece to prevent you getting that condensation back into the bases.
What about the sizing?
Sizing is as expected. I have a L
@@MidwestBackpacker thanks
I remember Sug
Does anyone have experience with this for cycling?
I think Wiggys has a version of this. I hope you had the consent of that tree before you made those moves.
An investment then !
do the wool mesh shirts have give or stretch like a typical merino or polyester shirt? asking for sizing purposes so there is enough give for movement with a smaller size of the shirt.
Actually more stretch
Shug 🙂👍
Whoo buddy
What do you suggest for bras? I find it always get cold from damp bra line.
? Don’t wear a bra.
I ordered the Brynje bra for my family members, thinking it would be perfect, but unfortunately, it is the version with solid wool fabric over the mesh, and wool knits in many places, so it is worse than other sports bras at retaining moisture.
All Cycling clothes lines ... use Mesh Base Layer of some kind? in EU
Castelli has their wool Miracolo shirts , which is this type of fishnet, but all the others I have seen are mesh, not fishnet. Meaning, they are more fabric, less holes.
Anyone have the link to his alpaca hoodie!?!
appalachiangearcompany.com
@@MidwestBackpacker Link not working :(
He is not being paid by them that is for sure. Said name wrong whole time. At the top of there own web page it says "Pronounced "Brin-ya". :) The products they provide are some of the best. I own multiple pieces of clothing from them now. I have the 3/4 pants in the Arctic Collection and they are to be used on the coldest of days. I am ordering the Super Thermo Mesh as I want them for the 10°f and up temperature.
If you want a wool long sleeve , Castelli makes their “Miracolo” version.
It’s better fit than the Brynje and works better because it doesn’t have thick knitted cuffs.
If Brynje could fix the sizing, and ditch the thick doubled, cuffs and neck collars, they’d have a real winner. Same for the underpants. They have a non mesh panel in the font and back center, right where you need the most breathability. I get that they are thinking of “modesty” but there is no way I’m wearing the long undies without underpants underneath anyway. Or the boxers in view either, so why be concerned about that?
The short sleeve and sleeveless shirts are better in fit and finish.
I just came across your video, thanks for taking the time to make it. You should check out Wiggy's. I used his products in the military and it never let me down.
He has a RUclips channel and has been in the clothing industry forever.
Ran into a guy wearing this on a winter weekend hike…and their mittens too. My interest is definitely piqued. 🧐
Bought mesh shirt from wiggys at half the cost and made in the 🇺🇸
Very interesting…. I may have to get some. I sweat watching someone else walk..LOL
Are you Steve Carrell’s bald cousin? 😂 j/k love your video!
Crye Precision carries aclima.
What? Needing Norwegian subtitles? Really dude!? Skipped Norwegian in school? But seriously, I have never used fish net base layer but I have heard it is the way to go on the trail AND...dual purpose... can be worn Fridays; out on a club night! 😂
Shug is a few tacos short of a fiesta, but otherwise great review! Tough to spend that kind of money without a thorough review to shore up confidence that it will be decent gear.
I hate how backpacking cloths and gear is so darn expensive.
It’s still cheaper than golf and better exercise. That’s my justification at least.
@@RC-qf3mp lol....I tell my hubby its better than a gambling problem 🤣
The Brynje products are extremely high quality. My Benie hat I've had for 20 years now. I have have fishnet long johns and shirts that are older than 15 years, and are still in use. Although here in Norway we have an excellent customer service where they fix all damaged products: I don't know about the US.
Nipple rash?
@@dannyarcher6370 nope
@@MidwestBackpacker Think I'll take a couple of stripper pasties just in case.
100$ through Fed Ex to ship to Canada !!!??? 53$ shipment on check out through Brynje then when I inquire why shipment notification is taking so long !? They say it will cost over 100$ USD to ship through Fed Ex. Someone’s taking advantage of the Canadian Postal strike. Greasy !!!
CANCELING MY ORDER BY END DAY, TODAY !!
@@TACx3 try ordering through garage grown gear, maybe Canadian shipping would be less?
Wiggys is american made
I take it these mesh base layers aren't patented, why haven't American companies moved into this direction. Why hasn't REI come out with a version?
@@adudeisthebomb that’s actually a very good question.
Because (big) companies exist to make money, and to do that, they need to sell lots. Mesh baselayers work well, but look strange, and have certain limitations, so don’t sell in large numbers.
@ not yet. We will see if their popularity increases.
Wool or synthetic option, to keep one warm ish, during long movements and high activity while under rain and near 0ºC temperatures?
Also, did you overheat under high activity and had to remove layers?
Why not both😂
It is overpriced for what it is. $104 for some mesh just because it works is wild man. It doesn't even cost anywhere near that much to make it. Lol Shirts that use up more material like a full wool shirt aren't even that expensive, but poke some holes in it and use up less material and that somehow racks up the price.
The best part of ordering the wool mesh unisex base layer is that it comes with new pronouns!
They/them, all the way. Just like the cool kids at your local liberal arts college! 🎭 🦄
So it’s wool. Why isn’t it itching you to the point of digging your eyeballs out?
Try merino wool. Much softer.
I really look forward to your videos! Now I need to look into some stripper shirts! Ha
ARMODILLO - ;) armodillomerino ;).
I had a long sleeve byrnje mesh base layer. It was dissapointing. No good moisture transportation. I throw it away.
Very strange to hear. I have both long and short version, and both are the best moisture management baselayers I have ever tried (and I have tried many, many). Except for the knitted cuffs.
@tjb8841 In my case all moisture collects in the mesh filamente. And because the mesh have smaller surface the evaporation was slower. I am 66 and ride my bike also in winter 350km every week and run 50km every week and the mesh base laser was not satisfying. Maybe every body is different. Also I do ice swimming 4 times per week and be adapted to the cold
does it irritate the nipples ?
Most hold back joke…. Seriously though it does not the wool is very soft.
@Midwest Backpacker honestly that's the biggest worry I've had keeping me from pulling the trigger lol, ill give it a go next year!!
Anybody who's been looking for excuses to cross dress and wear fishnet panty hose and the likes is going to start hiking, hard.
Just ask the strippers at chip n dales , save yourself 210 buck bruh
wiggys....
Hello, Good content. However, that loud stupid intro music ruins the presentation. A failing of many channels.