Dont buy the S95C forr gaming, the hdmi 2.1 ports are capped at 40gbps instead of 48 which is not capped on the S90C. S90C is the way to go as it is definitively the most bang for buck tv you can get now during holiday offers. Edit: This applies mostly for PC but when I did my research into which one to buy, people had blackout issues with ps5 and the s95c one connect box but seems to have been fixed now. If you are to use PC, then buy S90C and buy also a fibre optic hdmi 2.1 cable for 4k 144hz and VRR. I use both PC and Ps5 and S90C is having no problem running them!
@@trewright1482 I really like it. I still don't love Tizen, but no complaints outside of that. I feel like reds are oversaturated in apps, but as soon as a show or movie starts, everything dials in nicely using the Filmmaker preset. PS5 gaming is great.
Bought a S90C after reading the reviews and Stop the Fomo’s rec and I’m loving it. The 77” variant is an upgraded 2023 QD OLED panel and the 83” panel isn’t QD OLED at all, but a different/worse TV. Anyway, happy new year everyone!
On the subject of QD-OLED I'm really looking forward to CES so we can see what all the companies have been cooking up for 2024. I managed squeeze some more life out of my aging LG B7 and despite my desire to upgrade I couldn't decide on anything definitively in 2023. I can't imagine LG will manage to convince me to buy into their TV's again unless they drop the white subpixel. MiniLED's were great in 2023, but all the best ones seemingly had some downside to varying degree's that pushed me back to OLED. There's a part of me that wants to hope beyond all hope that Samsung has managed to procure Blue PHOLED for their 2024 panels, just as LG was able to get MLA earlier than was expected. If I recall MLA wasn't supposed to hit until 2024, but they got it out for 2023. So while Blue PHOLED is ready, it isn't expected until 2025, but who knows perhaps a miracle will happen and we'll have it for 2024.
I am glad that I bought S90C, instead of S95C. And I feel that I would have regretted spending so much for almost non-existent differences. Instead I bought a nice Q800c soundbar for the remaining money. So, even emotionally one can regret overspending as much as underspending.
Same here, I bought the 77' S90C on purpose because I wanted the full 48Gbps of HDMI bandwidth and didn't want the risk of having blackouts at 4K 144Hz like many S95Cs do. I think that until Samsung fixes the OCB HDMI problems, the S95C is actually a downgrade vs the S90C with a 2nd gen panel. Specially if you have a HT (audio is garbage in both models, anyways). BTW, it's extremely easy to turn the S90C into a S95C in the service menu to get the same top brightness, as both panels are actually the same (if 2nd gen). I did it, but the difference is negligible, tbh.
Same, but I actually bought an LG soundbar, the S80Y. The bass and sound is so much better. I tried a Samsung sound bar, but it was too tiny and lacked bass. Also, the changes like bass and treble barely made any noticeable differences. Look for the S90C with the second gen panel guys. It'll say FB03 on the sticker on the side of the box itself.
@briandowney6478 hi Brian. How is your experience with your Q800C paired with a samsung TV? I got myself the Q800C which is great with sound but I have a hisense TV and feel like I am missing something. Your thoughts will be appreciated.
I got the s90c and I’m very happy with it. I don’t care about the one connect box (it might even be detrimental) and I have a surround sound system so again, tv sound quality doesn’t matter much.
@michael-ir8cj yeah and I hear that signal drops can happen when using the box. Not sure if that is still an issue but that is a deal breaker for me even if I wanted one cable. It needs to work reliably first before cable management benefits :)
Started watching just to know what TV to buy, this was months ago I'm still watching just because you really seem to know your stuff. Good content guys keep it up!
100% s90c! I decided to buy one Black Friday as you just can’t beat the value vs performance. Hands down best model right now esp at 65 inch. Best price for such a great performing TV. Especially if you’re gaming! One thing I was surprised by is the Samsung only supports atmos and DD passthrough but NOT DTS. Not a big deal if you have a receiver that does it with an 8K port input that supports all the gaming features and 4K/120. Then just connect console to the receiver and get DTS and all the gaming features for video over eARC. Best of both worlds! Connecting consoles to TV works fine if you are fine with just atmos or DD. If you want the DTS support though, just know you will need a receiver with HDMI 2.1 8k support. Aside from a couple software bugs it has been an amazing TV and great picture. Love it and the colours and black levels are great and HDR bright etc. Speaking of bugs: if you are using ARC receiver that doesn’t have eARC, make sure to turn earc support OFF on TV and not leave to auto or you will get major audio latency. I finally fixed it. It was like a second late after video. Bad. Additionally, gaming mode features may appear greyed out when left in auto. Make sure to switch it to ON at least once and then back to auto and all the options will be available. Don’t think you can do better for your money for the s90c and can’t go wrong!! Happy New Year all!! May it be successful, bring you and your family good health and joy and happiness. Cheers!
Another fun and informative You Asked episode!! Oh, I am so excited! You put the Natalie Cole on the stand! If I know the album I can identify it, but I mostly don't! You can't know how thrilled I am to be able to identify this last album of the year on the last day of the year!! I feel redeemed! 🙏🏻Happy New Year and have fun at CES!!🥰
Combining Black Friday sale and Tastecard's extra 10% off, I went and bought S95C 55' and I am super happy that I did. I wanted to future proof myself as much as I could, sure I could have gotten a 65' S90C but I knew that S90C was just basically 2022's screen repackaged as 2023 model, so I bit the bullet and went ahead with S95C. It's super crisp and the colors pop like no other. *Chef's kiss* Samsung had 50% off on Soundbars when buying a TV so glad I got my hands on Q600C soundbar that came with a subwoofer. Life's good :)
I picked up a used Panasonic plasma last year for 50 bucks. I wanted one when they were new but didn’t get one. None of the technologies since have topped plasmas. It feels like you can fall right in. I encourage everyone to check out a used plasma. Those pioneer elites are out there too!
My new S90C will be delivered this week (replacing a ten-year-old Samsung LED - a vast improvement is guaranteed) and this video really reinforced my buying decision. Thanks!
@@trewright1482 Hi. It's only been a couple of weeks, but so far, I'm pleased. The streaming is much faster and better than my old Samsung, no surprise there. The remote is not my favorite but I'm on Xfinity so I use their remote, which paired right up. The picture's very sharp. I used Caleb's settings as a baseline, although I'm still playing with them a bit just for comparisons. Bottom line is, I've no buyer's remorse. I wish I could say that about other things.... Thanks for asking!
Thanks for the segment based on my email. I ended up coming up with enough to make the purchase and went with the S95C 77”. Installation is this Friday, so I’m excited to watch the national championship game on it. Also, I am console gaming on the Xbox Series X but more casual gamer than anything. Movies is priority 1 for the TV. Thank you!
I'm just now realizing Xbox users are prob better off with an LG since LG is the only brand that does Dolby Vision correctly, and the new Xbox is capable of running Dolby Vision.
To me, the One Connect box of the S95C is the main reason to get it. Just the convenience you get, although I guess most people are changing stuff all that often. But def get the S90C over the S95C, not worth the price difference in the least
I have to say, I wish more TV manufacturers would offer something along the lines of a One Connect box. I hate Tizen OS, so the idea of buying a high-end Samsung TV just to get the One Connect box doesn't really sit well with me anymore.
I have a TV with an ATSC 3.0 tuner. It is fast on ATSC 1.0 channels, but it takes an extra couple of seconds to lock in on an ATSC 3.0 channel when I select one. For the interactive channels it takes another second or two for the interactive application to load and put up an on-screen pop-up saying that the channel is interactive. Perhaps this is what Ron was referring to.
YOU MISSED … the 77” S89c again! I saved $600 over the S90c - same TV sans feet w/ metal cover. The 5yr BBuy warr was $100 cheaper too! Thanks for confirming w/samsumg it was QD-OLED on previous video comment.
I just got the S90C and its such an amazing TV! It is plenty bright, I have turned the brightness down, more than halfway for some situations. Sound system also sounds pretty good as well. I got it on a great deal for $1400 with a trade in credit. Super happy with that price.
For what it is worth, there is one early benefit of ATSC 3.0, although it is dependent upon use case and local reception. The transmitters have higher broadcast power and can have longer reach for those watching over the air broadcasts. This is still dependent upon transmission location and local topology, so your mileage may vary. In our case, we now get all the main stations in the Seattle area reliably, prior to the purchase of our Samsung S90C, two key stations were spotty at best, more often just MIA. Maybe in a few years 4K transmission will show up as an added bonus.
Got a s90C with a 2nd Gen QD Panel. Its the same as S95C espcially if you know the SM S95C mod. I think we got lucky this year. Next year Samsung will make sure that does not happen again.
some s90c have the same panel as the S95C. You can go into the Service menu and tell the Tv you have the same screen. Once you do that brightness processing is changed to the exact same as the S95C@@arsenalx7
@DeeBatch That's actually insanely helpful! Hopefully it doesn't cause any problems/damage, but I'd love to try this out on my panel, thank you so much!
not it does not cause damage they have the same chips. Just make sure to switch back if you have a warranty claim. They don't like you going into the SM.@@arsenalx7
All into TV and ARC to AVR is the best solution from a technical standpoint. One point about my AVR that solved a bit of grief was turning off auto-standby when idle too. This made sure the receiver turned on when the TV turned on, and only turned off when the TV did. For family use I'd want to head off any potential "there's no sound!" confusion.
Yes as long as you don’t want DTS to passthrough. This TV will convert sources using DTS to DD or Atmos which was a surprising detail. I want to be able to use dts as my receiver supports it. You can’t even pick it from xbox when connected to TV port. So that means if you want all the gaming video features you need a receiver with a 8k port that supports 4K/120.
The owner of the Kuro plasma TV, Jon Accamondo, also seems to be interested in LONGEVITY when choosing his next TV. I think he may want to consider that neither the Samsung S90C nor the Samsung S95C may last as long as the Kuro plasma TV that he's still enjoying. While my own experience is an admittedly "small sample size", I'll mention that I have owned 2 flagship Samsung TVs and both of them have needed repairs. I have come to suspect that although Samsung TVs have great picture quality they might not be built with the best components, and may tend to break down sooner. With that in mind, I'd probably be cautious and buy the lower-priced S90C, or invest in an entirely different TV brand like LG or Sony which may last longer.
@@LuisSanchez-zt8ql I understand your dilemma. Samsung is selling their QD-OLED models at such low prices it's difficult to resist the temptation to buy. I'd love to invest in that technology, but I keep asking myself, "Is Samsung cutting corners to keep their costs down?" I don't have an answer to that question, but it worries me. If I purchase an extended warranty it increases the amount I've invested in the TV (and I hate the hassle of repairs and replacements). Speaking just for myself, if I were buying a TV today I would probably settle for the LG C3, even though it's not my ideal TV. I figure it's reasonably priced for the quality and longevity I'd be getting. Other buyers might decide differently...!
65" s90c with a vizio v-series 5.1 surround for my little apartment has been a pretty great "budget" setup so far. Its My first OLED and surround sound.
Hey just let u know it’s Actually--NOT OLED OLED. It’s called QD-OLED. 50 mini led, 50% OLED. So the Traditional OLED like LG c1 C2 C3 Sony A90K A80L A95J etc. they are significantly inferior. Because ppl do NOT know what is QLED, or MINI LED. So Samsung was afraid that ppl think Mini LED is”infer” as false perception. So they Categorized calling QD-OLED as “OLED” as markeing . So ppl draw conclusions it’s Premium. Kinda like GAS car vs Hybrid. D S90C is NOT an OLED OLED. It’s only nice cuz it’s half Mini LED. It’s a Hybrid. 🎉 since it’s Half Mini LED. They could easily Brand it as “mini LED” but Just Higher Tier. But they decided to put in OLED category because ppl are Biased to see OLED as better.
@@Yoga_Tv_buyingI think you misunderstood how QD Oleds work? It’s blue backlight pixel which uses a quantum dot film for green and red. At the end of the day the pixel layout is just made out of rgb instead of wrgb which adds white bleed into the pure color mix. QD OLEDs are objectively more pure in displaying colors
I'm in a similar boat, my plasma has a very good picture and -zero- motion issues. I have yet to see any alternate tech (beside CRT) that doesn't have motion issues. Considering that, it's difficult to decide which is more important to me. I suppose I'm looking for someone to convince me that the motion flaws aren't so bad as to ruin the more vibrant colors and clarity of a S90c or A95L (vs. the more theater-like picture plasma provides.)
The correct answer is S90C. Unless you actually need the one connect box. If your buying a 55/65" wait for clearance to ensure a second gen panel. Or look for one with a model FB03 on the box. At least for 65" that appears to be the closest you can get to increasing your odds of a second gen panel. For 77" it's S90C all day long as they are all second gen panels. If it's the 83" then get a C3 or G3 as the 83" doesn't use a QDOLED panel anyways.
I totally agree on the television part. If you have the money and like it, buy it. It maybe years before ATSC 3.0 will work out. Broadcasters are blocking it for more money, unfortunately. ATSC 1.0 still works fine though.
6 months later it’s funny as I snagged a noticably better price on a s95c than the same sized s90c was offered at in my area. I couldn’t believe it at first as I was preparing to wait for s90c prices to drop further when I stumbled across S95C’s for the price I was hoping the S90C would eventually get down to.
Just bought a S95C 77 inch to replace my CX 65 inch. It's an insane tv. Another big difference between the S95C and S90C is the stand. Stand on the S95C is more sturdy and well made than the cheaper one on the S90C.
Beware of burn in with the S90C if you plan on do some decent daily gaming. I bought a 65 inch on October 12, been playing about 4 hours every day, mostly NBA 2K24. The lower part of the tv has some noticeable burn in of the in game scoreboard.
Do you let the TV run its pixel refresh or whatever Samsung calls it? Rtings runs burn-in tests playing 24/7 and they don't have burn-in that quickly. What mode do you use? Do you play any other games or watch TV on it? Cause that should fix it. I have slight burn in on my Dell XPS laptop from windows elements (the screen that led Samsung to make QD OLEDs as it's searing bright in full window (I measured 1,000 nits no dimming) and will of course burn in) and I had to switch colors to dark and auto-hide the taskbar. It could be fixed with pixel refresh but laptops don't have that and I only see it in very few scenes and it's almost offscreen so it's okay. Do the games allow to change the colors of the hud? They should actually offer a darker hud.
@@techsamurai11 I've ran it manually once, also have pixel shift on and high dimming on logos. Game mode on, warm2, peak brightness high, contrast at 50
I will say Pioneer built those plasmas like tanks, whereas Samsung's build quality and reliability have been questionable as of late. That being said, the S90C is one heck of a value in terms of picture quality/performance.
I’d love a quick opinion on a G3 vs S95C, I get a workplace discount with AT&T, I can get a 55” S95C for $1.4K, and the 55” LG G3 for $1.6k. Both great deals, stuck between both, trying to see the differences and if it’s worth the $200 difference for the G3. What do you think?
❤❤both amazing choices. I HAVE SEEN both in store IN person. And I am picky cuz I have had $4000 TVs. N I have 2 HIsense FLagship. I get it they are not OLED but very close. Like the S95C. Has Significantly BETTER COLOR than G3. The brighter the TV gets. The HIGHER Color Volume A tv NEEDS. So when they projecting the Mid range shades, like bright trees. Flowers…etc. they will look more solid color vs a tint feel. The G3,,its great, that to ppl USED to use OLED…C1 C3 C3, SONY A90J, they will be WOW. Cuz those TVs are in SUCH low color volume n pestle. They see G3 is”vibrant”. However if u are USED to Samsung , Hisense …HIGH luminance RICH but butter fluid colors. U see something off about G3. Like for example if u see sports stadium, the red outfits look Water melon ish. The yellow outfits look lemon. The blue n Green bright outfits lok more like a tint transparent . N the ORange banner look kinda weak not solid color. The SAles ppl will keep trying to use “black black” look “high contrast”. MOST images are NOT A color against a Black. It’s more like a color of own shade transition from bright to dim. D MOST solid the Color looks the more 3D it looks. Or a Color transtion to Diff color. So the highlight n Color volume are MORE important that “color accuracy” or black …the S95C is Absolutely nicer than G3. 😊
@@Yoga_Tv_buying I really appreciate the input, I think I’m going to pull the trigger on the s95C, I was just afraid of the apparent issues the one connect box has with gaming, but seems like it’s an issue if you use cheap HDMI cords?, I’m coming from a Sony 55 X950G so either model will be a upgrade.
Do u have a decent size room ? With that budget u can get like much bigger tv . I think the G3 s95C is best if buy 65” or larger so things don’t zoom out. Cuz at at size evrything so dense so I might even lose details when seeing landscape views n Etc . The whole reason getting flagship to see more :):) so JSUT my opinions tho . Cuz I have 55” n 65” I notice lots image loss when I watch 55” cuz my eyes can’t make out of the “small thing “ in time at background lol
@@Yoga_Tv_buying my room is small unfortunately, the biggest I can comfortably put is a 55”, I also have a pc set up under the mounted tv, eventually if I move my pc set up as well and just have a entertainment setup, then i can upgrade to a 65”.
@@TheGamingDead14 hey good to know. JSUT sharing my experience that I got Hisense Flagship . Cuz I was so skeptical (before that I had a $3500-4000 tv ) i bought the smallest hisense possible when my older tv was flickeirng . They look much similar oled visual , I end up having to buy another one 1 yr later n double the budget 😛when I liked it so much . Look up : Vivo Tall tv stand . U will know what I am talking about . That brand is saving grace for small space . I had a flat one that I can tuck the base under my other dresser , bags , container whatever I put under . Now I got new stand with small wheel , 🛞 I move my tv at corner of Small room. I find that is total space saving . Not saying u need it right now , but def can help u :)
So I was thinking of purchasing the 77 A95L. But at double the price of a 77 S90C, I am torn. But then I just saw some videos about the NVIDIA Super Resolution feature that does an amazing job with upscaling. I am a programmer and am running a 3090 (lots of opened programs and 3-5 virtual machines running). So let’s say I dedicate the card to nothing but watching low bitrate contents, like RUclips. Considering the A95L and S90C use the same QD-OLED panels, should I just buy the S90C (77) and watch my you tube contents via my computer connected to the S90C and let the NVIDIA Super Resolution feature improve the upscaling instead of the Samsung processor? In summary, I would think a $1500 video card would do better at upscaling than an XR processor. Is there more in the XR processor than what the 3090 can accomplish the same. Oh, and by the way, I am also have a Gig Internet connection if that matters. As for sound, I am running a 7.1 Marantz/Klipsche system. Thank You.
Never mind. I tested the NVIDIA Super Resolution feature on a 480p/720p RUclips video and indeed it made it so much clearer. Will go with the S90C 77!!
Re the Samsung conundrum, i am in a similar position with the only working large screen that i have is a Pioneer Kuro Plasma, having now got over the disaster i had with my first attempt to buy a 4K TV i am now wating for the right spec TV to be available that i will be happy with. So my advice to this person is wait and buy the TV that your heart desires, and also wait and see what new models are to be released in 2024, by then the S95C will have dropped in price as they clear stocks for the new models. Caleb will keep us well informed after CES.
Don’t know about recent TVs, but I have an old LG Oled B7P and it outputs to both optical and hdmi Arc at the same time. I used it to compare a soundbar and powered speakers by taking turn muting or the other.
Wry much disagree on plugging in directly to tv and using eARC when you have an AV receiver. Maybe it’s just LG, but I spent hours fighting audio delay issues in these setups, as well as sometimes not being able compass certain audio types. Everything but basic items to av receiver. Done.
Regarding the AVR and TV hookup question, I'm not sure Caleb's answer is quite accurate. Obviously the specific AVR and other hardware matters, but whether you plug into the AVR or the TV is irrelevant to the number of cables going to the TV. That's really what caused me to write this reply. Some specifics from my own experience: I have an LG C2 TV and a Denon 3800 9.4/11.4. I can plug my PS5, Series X, or Roku Ultra directly into either the AVR or the LG C2, and it will turn them all on/off. However, Roku does not currently have any official control for Denon, and while it officially can control LG TVs, it doesn't seem to want to control volume via CEC (it does this just fine with Hisense and TCL TVs in the same room). It does however have IR codes for LG. So technically, it's a mess regardless of whether you plug directly into the TV or the AVR. If you only have the one TV in your room, then you're fine with IR controls (in my case; this all depends on your specific hardware). If you have 6 Roku devices in your room, and you want to control everything via IP and CEC, then relying on IR is...not going to work as you'll be turning one TV on while trying to open the menu on another, etc. Anyway, if you have a modern TV and a modern AVR, even the cheaper new stuff (e.g.) Onkyo 5.2 setups, you're going to have one touch control with your (e.g.) Roku remote...probably without even having to setup the remote at all. Personally, I find it easier to plug into the receiver than the TV, and doing this allows you to manipulate the audio sync a little better, imo. Remember: you can delay the audio to slow it down for the video, but I've never seen that option the other way. If you plug into your TV, the audio could be behind the video, and you cannot speed up the audio or slow the video. But you can delay the audio so that it doesn't out pace the video if you're going through the AVR first. FWIW, I have not had audio sync issues working with the Onkyo/C1 or the Denon/C2 in either direction. But sometimes a Plex feed does require some audio syncing. And sometimes OTA signals are out of sync as well.
MADE THE PLUNGE. Just bought the S90C TV with the Q990C Sound bar. Mainly to justify the combined cost. both will be delivered on Friday the 19th. What is the best set-up with the PS5? Are the provided HDMI cables sufficient? Thanks.
"I don't plan on using the AVR all the time"- Why??? Use it all the time even when not watching TV... Don't worry about it going bad - it will become obsolete before it goes bad and you want it to go bad during the warranty as they are not repairable outside the warranty because the cost of the repair is usually more expensive than the AVR itself or parts are intentionally not available forcing you to buy a new one. The problem is that AVRs can sound ridiculously bombastic and loud in a living room as I'm finding out with the newer AVRs that replaced my old AVR. It's really hard to tame the sound nowadays despite all the curves that you can apply. Make sure you can dial the volume on the sub down easily like SVS with an app...
I do the opposite and find it easier. I run everything to receiver then one from AVR to TV. I don’t understand why it would be better to run everything to the tv when most receivers made in the past 8 years has passthrough so you don’t have to turn on the receiver. I use the AVR as a device switcher and keep the tv on the same input.
I feel those physiological comments. I like nice things but I'm also frugal AF. it was a bit of a battle to even decide to get my Sony A80J but there's always been this lingering feeling that I should have gotten the A90J or the LG G2
I still use Toslink on my TV->AVR connection because my Sony X950H and STR-DH590 won't play well with CEC and ARC with the latest firmware. It sounds fine, and the reliability of IR remote control makes the whole setup "just work."
I don't remember which models right now, but new Samsung TVs allow you to keep the audio from the optical digital connection and EArc/Arc working simultaneously. I work in Brazil with Home Theater system installations and I've seen this functionality in action in projects I've done recently. I'll try to find the models that do this and update them here.
Are there any TVs with a proper gigabit Ethernet port (not the 100 Mbps found on even high end models)? Streaming full quality UHD blurays through plex requires the higher speeds.
s90c 2nd gen is the same panel as the s95c except that samsung lower the brightness on the s90c but you can change it in the service mode and make it as bright as the s95c
After watching probably every comparison about the s90c vs other tvs I happily chose the s90c for gaming and movies. I can’t remember the last time I bought new tv so either way this things is gonna blow my mind. I had to get the 77 inch because I wasn’t taking any chances on getting the first gen panel. I just hope it comes undamaged aha…
@@trewright1482 overall I love it! My 77 inch panel did come in a banana shape though. The corners are further back than the belly of the tv. “Bent” TVs I saw on RUclips have more of an S shape. Mine is a symmetrical curve almost as if it’s meant to be. It makes side viewing almost nicer. But It works perfectly so far I can stand right in front of the tv and it looks clear and sharp. I got mine for $2499 and it jumped up right after I purchased. Shipping was good and packaging was in great shape. I completely installed the stand and lifted it up on the stand by myself it even with it being 80 lbs or so. There’s absolutely no imperfections in the screen or anywhere. The bend may not be oem but it almost looks like it. I have a video of it I may try to upload but I’ve never uploaded before
For many days, I was researching Sony A80l, Samsung S90c, and LG C3. I ended up buying 77" LG C3 instead because it's better in everything even though S90c has brighter OLED and A80l has better procssing. As of lately, Samsung has questionable QC, buggy firmware, and no Dolby Vision. Sony a80l is too dim and only has two 2.1 HDMI outputs
Bruh i swear thats the resoni went with my lg too. Lg is like a mix of samsung and sony wish you dont get all the benefits but also none of the draw backs of both brands and i think thata the only reson lg is somehow still reletive and alive, for now atleast
I just returned a Sony A80L because the room it’s being used in is too bright. The Best Buy salesperson told me to avoid OLED all together unless I wanted to pay the premium for the LG G3. I really love the look of OLED but in a bright room the directed me towards the QN90C. My question is if the the S90C is any brighter than the A80L and if I should settle for a little darker image even in a bright room for the amazing picture quality of OLED?
Hmmm... he clearly said he needs the TV for gaming - why did you recommend the S95C which has serious problems with dropouts on xbox / ps. The OneConnect Box doesnt even support full HDMI 2.1 bandwidth
Consoles don't even support the "full" HDMI 2.1 bandwidth. XBSX tops out at 40, while the PS tops out at 32. So continuing to harp on 48GB at this point is stupid and pointless when it means nothing.
4 things, you could be getting a 1st gen panel if getting a 55in s90c which is bs. Now I'm gonna wonder every time the new lineups are announced, which models samsung is gonna try to secretly push their old panels to.
Atsc 3.0 has drm which is already a negative and caleb says atsc 3.0 has no disadvantage. Lon seidman describes the negative impact about atsc 3.0 on his youtube channel.
As an installer the 95c .. the one connect box does not mount on the back of the TV very well.... if you want it on a stand it is great but if you want to wall mount it.. it's terrible
How much will the price drop on the s90c, now that it's the last years model? Looking to buy said tv this year. I'm guessing the price drop will come when they announce the 2024 models, or at least when they come out. Also, does the 65" model have the 2nd gen panel, now that it's this late in the production cycle? 77" is a bit too pricey for me.
Great video. I was wondering. I'm at a crossroads for two TVs. I have the option of the QN 750C 8K 65 inch TV, or the S90C. I just don't know which one to get. I'm assuming that if I get the QN750C I'm futureproofing my purchase? I use the TV for movies, gaming and sports. Would be great to know which one you'd chose (if any) and the difference between the two. Thanks!
Would be interested to know if the 2nd generation panel in the s95c (and some s90c models) would be enough to justify the paying the higher price for the s95c.
The price difference varies (when I bought my S95C it wasn't big). IMHO it is worth it though, not because it is brighter but because that means it has less issues with burn-in / isn't worn out as fast.
ATSC 3.0 will remain broken forever because instead of choosing a free audio codec they were lobbied into using one that needs a license and now the license holder, Dolby, is squeezing companies for money. Could have been avoided by using a free audio codec. But when you have Oren Williams, a dolby executive, making the decision on how audio should work with your new ATSC standard, well the needs of the company he works for are weighted a little heavier than the need to have a free open way to broadcast a tv to the masses.
On the subject of S90C vs S95C... I think there is more to look at. If you want a 55 or 65", well... I would lean towards the S95C. It is guaranteed to have the new panel, which is less prone to burn-in. Since the one asking is still using his Kuro, I guess he wants to use the TV for a very long time. Also I guess it helps having the electronics in a separate box. Should they fail... replace the box, keep the panel. The S90C MIGHT have the new panel... but it's a lucky draw. Now, if it is the 77", they always come with the new panel, so the S90C is a safe bet. If the one asking is a gamer however, I would lean towards the S90C. 48 Gbps support vs 40 Gbps makes it more future proof. Now, for me... if 77" would have worked in my space, I would have bought the S90C. But that was too big for my peripheral vision, so a 65" S95C it is. I'm happy with it.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm looking to buy one of the 77" and it's a 1k dollar difference between both of them. Might have to go with the 90C even when I do like the idea of the one connect box
I don't think you're guaranteed to get a second Gen panel with the smaller S95C panels. If you buy a 77" model then you're guaranteed to get a second gen panel. Lastly One Connect Boxes are expensive to replace to down the line. Several hundred dollars.
@@Nwordplzplz You are, AFAIK. That's what Samsung said in the beginning. S95C will always have 2nd gen, S90C could have either. And I haven't heard any report that anyone with a S95C received an old panel. Samsung would be extremely dumb to do so anyway, as those TVs wouldn't be able to match the official specifications and this would be a massive PR disaster that is completely unnecessary... besides opening them up to legal issues as well. Yes, several hundred dollars is better than getting the same part AND paying for getting the TV torn apart to replace the parts. Plus the risk. Plus transportation. etc. Even though the box may be more expensive than the spare parts alone I think avoiding all the hassle is worth it.
@@justanordinaryguy23 At 1k difference you REALLY must want the OCB. There are minor differences in the calibration between both I think, you can find more information on the avsforums for example.
Hey I just have a question! Hopefully you can help! I bought a Samsung s90c QD oled, I love this tv! But got a problem! And don’t know what it is or if it’s bad! Or normal! Every time I turn off my tv a blue dot 🔵 appears on the left side of the screen! Does anybody know of this problem? And could help tell me what it is? :)
Samsung really hamstrung the s95c with the 120hz max on the one connect box. 144hz on the s90c is the way to go if your fps gaming on the tv regularly. I honestly hope they fix this issue next version, I really want a top end Samsung oled but I'm not going to accept any major drawbacks at that cost premium. LG still hasn't fixed the audio bug on the CX so they are dead to me, as are my ears from the screeching.
For mixed usage, should I go with the 65 S95C or TCL 75 C755? In my country, the prices of these two tvs are almost the same. Same with the S90C and S95C. It seems that I am starting to lean towards TCL since size is king but brand reliability is quite questionable though it offers 2 years warranty compared to Samsung's 1yr. Any ideas?
I own 2 Sammys and two Sony televisions. I live in NYC and about 2 months ago OTA broadcasts changed. On my Sony's, CBS is now broadcasting 1080p HDR AC-4 and NBC is now broadcasting Dolby Vision /Dolby Atmos. It takes about 5 seconds to tune in those channels. Also on Sundays, CBS loses signal ( no antenna connected message) very often during NFL games ONLY. All other programs have no signal loss. As far as i know, my Sony televisions dont have NextGen tuners, so why the change? My Samsung's still broadcast at 1080i on CBS and NBC via OTA antenna.
Your prob getting a weak signal on that Channel check the strength of that channel ota stuff is crazy even led light bulbs can cause rf interfere drop the channel
The S90C is better in almost every aspect. The build quality alone is better than the S95C, the S95C feels cheap every time you touch it, when the S90C has a metallic frame all around it, it's more stable, more eye peeling overall, and cheaper as well. Just go for the S90C and you'll be fine. Even the specs are better on the S90C and literally it gives you the impression that Samsung cannibalises it's own top tier tv for some reason.
So wait, if you have a nicer AVR which has 4+ HDMI 2.1 ports, why would it be better to plug into the TV instead? Seems to me both options should offer the same results (assuming the video processing of the AVR isnt garbage). For reference, something like the Samsung Mini Led QN90C and Denon X3800H AVR. I currently have this setup and have just a single HDMI cable going from my TVs eARC to the Monitor Out on the Denon for eARC and the devices onto the Denon AVR (not the TV) so trying to understand. Thanks and happy new year all
I'd rather have the 4x HDMI 2.1 ports on the TV rather than rely on an AVR. I have the QN95C 85" paired with my Denon AVR S970H, and I had a horrible time getting my XSX working with one of the three HDMI 2.1 ports. My Xbox would constantly switch back to 4K60, and it would tell me notify me that 4K120 wasn't supported. Luckily the QN95C has 4x HDMI 2.1 ports so I plugged my Xbox directly into the TV. I have my gaming PC, PS5, and XSX connected directly to the TV. 4K144Hz is amazing! No issues whatsoever.
@@Nwordplzplz interesting. I just got a xbx for Thanksgiving and have no issues. Did you enable the 'enhanced 4k' or whatever it's called for that port of the avr in the setup? It's needed to tell it it's 4k120 or 8k60.
@@theroachmotel Yup! I enabled enhanced HDMI, and I tested out different cables, but the issue remains. My receiver is running the latest firmware as well. I'm glad I don't solely rely on HDMI 2.1 passthrough like most people do with non LG or Samsung TVs.
My only problem for my s90c is streaming 4k, motion issues, but to solve that i play physical media... samsung 4k hdr gaming and videos is fckin spectacular amazing colors than my iphone xs max hdr videos!
hello all tv experts I need help from all off u and specialy the s90c owners. I bought a s90c in November and can still return it. the problem iam expirencing is the motion handling, even with different settings I never get the right spot. I really like samsung but I am thinking about returning it and buy a A80l Sony. is it worth it ? will it be better or is it just washed of money? please help me I feel lost and I been researching and thier are definitely 2 sides on this matter. happy new years
Have you tried turning off all those settings? Like game motion plus or auto motion plus etc. you can find articles to help turn those off Otherwise if you have audio latency and are using receiver or soundbar with ARC only and not eARC, make sure to turn eARC mode to off on tv and do not leave on auto. This caused almost a second of audio latency for my setup. OFF meant that ARC still worked but no latency! Good luck I am sure you can get this to your satisfaction. It’s a great TV! Don’t return it!
eARC should work fine on hdmi 2.0. It just won’t have 4k/120 capability since that requires higher data rates than what 2.0 can do. And I don’t think you’ll get the gaming features but I could be wrong. Like ALLM, QFT, variable refresh, etc. I think you can still do 4K/60 on hdmi 2.0 and pass through lossless uncompressed audio. Although the TV cannot pass through DTS it will convert to DD or atmos but I don’t have an earc receiver yet to see if 5.1 or 7.1 uncompressed bitstream may work better. I think the TV will still convert it. As long as your video settings don’t surpass 18 Gbps data rates you will be fine. Search hdmi bandwidth calculator and plug in your variables to see how much it will use. For example you can do 4k/120 with 4:4:4 chroma sampling and 10-bit HDR on hdmi 2.1 only (40 Gbps port). Whereas you can only do 4:4:4 with 8-bit on a 4K/60.
@@Hypo11111 then why do tv manufacturers take one of the only two 2.1 HDMI for earc when they can just use one of the 2.0 one for that which is my original reason for asking .
@@r.j.mvelazquezgonzalez2738 the eARC port will always be on one port so TV can talk with receivers and soundbars and have all the video and audio features available. I’m not sure if I properly understand your question though :)
Dont buy the S95C forr gaming, the hdmi 2.1 ports are capped at 40gbps instead of 48 which is not capped on the S90C. S90C is the way to go as it is definitively the most bang for buck tv you can get now during holiday offers.
Edit: This applies mostly for PC but when I did my research into which one to buy, people had blackout issues with ps5 and the s95c one connect box but seems to have been fixed now. If you are to use PC, then buy S90C and buy also a fibre optic hdmi 2.1 cable for 4k 144hz and VRR. I use both PC and Ps5 and S90C is having no problem running them!
This. Jon did say gaming was part of his use case. In that case, I say case closed: S90C
I bought it and while I don't regret it, its bandwidth lowers to (I think) HDMI 2.0 levels when using the long OneConnect Cable
I purchased the S95C and set it up yesterday was fantastic till I connected the PS5 and was getting drop outs every couple of minutes 🤦♂️🤦♂️
Is that why the S95C has dropouts? I can't imagine having dropouts even one an hour.
I have the S90C and the only thing I don’t like is the motion blur. I get it a lot on action movies.
For me, the answer between the S90C and the S95C is the S89C. Picked one up when it was on sale for $1999 at 77” and it’s really nice.
I’ve got the S89C coming this weekend. What’s your thoughts on it?
@@trewright1482 I really like it. I still don't love Tizen, but no complaints outside of that. I feel like reds are oversaturated in apps, but as soon as a show or movie starts, everything dials in nicely using the Filmmaker preset. PS5 gaming is great.
I somehow scored a new one on clearance this weekend at BB for $1400! Best TV I’ve owned.
It's got to be the best tv for the money.
Bought a S90C after reading the reviews and Stop the Fomo’s rec and I’m loving it. The 77” variant is an upgraded 2023 QD OLED panel and the 83” panel isn’t QD OLED at all, but a different/worse TV. Anyway, happy new year everyone!
On the subject of QD-OLED I'm really looking forward to CES so we can see what all the companies have been cooking up for 2024. I managed squeeze some more life out of my aging LG B7 and despite my desire to upgrade I couldn't decide on anything definitively in 2023. I can't imagine LG will manage to convince me to buy into their TV's again unless they drop the white subpixel. MiniLED's were great in 2023, but all the best ones seemingly had some downside to varying degree's that pushed me back to OLED. There's a part of me that wants to hope beyond all hope that Samsung has managed to procure Blue PHOLED for their 2024 panels, just as LG was able to get MLA earlier than was expected. If I recall MLA wasn't supposed to hit until 2024, but they got it out for 2023. So while Blue PHOLED is ready, it isn't expected until 2025, but who knows perhaps a miracle will happen and we'll have it for 2024.
I am glad that I bought S90C, instead of S95C. And I feel that I would have regretted spending so much for almost non-existent differences. Instead I bought a nice Q800c soundbar for the remaining money. So, even emotionally one can regret overspending as much as underspending.
Same here, I bought the 77' S90C on purpose because I wanted the full 48Gbps of HDMI bandwidth and didn't want the risk of having blackouts at 4K 144Hz like many S95Cs do. I think that until Samsung fixes the OCB HDMI problems, the S95C is actually a downgrade vs the S90C with a 2nd gen panel. Specially if you have a HT (audio is garbage in both models, anyways). BTW, it's extremely easy to turn the S90C into a S95C in the service menu to get the same top brightness, as both panels are actually the same (if 2nd gen). I did it, but the difference is negligible, tbh.
Same here I bought the Q800c to
Go with my S95B
Same, but I actually bought an LG soundbar, the S80Y. The bass and sound is so much better. I tried a Samsung sound bar, but it was too tiny and lacked bass. Also, the changes like bass and treble barely made any noticeable differences.
Look for the S90C with the second gen panel guys. It'll say FB03 on the sticker on the side of the box itself.
@briandowney6478 hi Brian.
How is your experience with your Q800C paired with a samsung TV? I got myself the Q800C which is great with sound but I have a hisense TV and feel like I am missing something. Your thoughts will be appreciated.
Always spend less on the TV when the specs are so similar. Put that saved money towards another new TV in the future.....
I got the s90c and I’m very happy with it. I don’t care about the one connect box (it might even be detrimental) and I have a surround sound system so again, tv sound quality doesn’t matter much.
Yes I read that signal can drop sometimes with the box which means no way for me!
The only reason to get the S95c is if u need the one connect box. Thats it. Some people really need the One Connect box most dont.....
@michael-ir8cj yeah and I hear that signal drops can happen when using the box. Not sure if that is still an issue but that is a deal breaker for me even if I wanted one cable. It needs to work reliably first before cable management benefits :)
Started watching just to know what TV to buy, this was months ago I'm still watching just because you really seem to know your stuff. Good content guys keep it up!
It’s hard deciding what tv to get
I jumped on an S90C during some recent Boxing Day sales and am absolutely loving this TV!
Nothing beats a high quality AV receiver. Really can fulfill a lot of the needs for folks who want a specialty setup. 😊
Unless you don't want the wires or don't have the ideal space for the speakers.
How bout the Onkyo RZ50? Now we are talking
@@JayJay-jx3zg Well i mean for those who are wanting all sorts of different A/V inputs
@@michael-4k4000 Now we're talking!
100% s90c! I decided to buy one Black Friday as you just can’t beat the value vs performance. Hands down best model right now esp at 65 inch. Best price for such a great performing TV. Especially if you’re gaming!
One thing I was surprised by is the Samsung only supports atmos and DD passthrough but NOT DTS. Not a big deal if you have a receiver that does it with an 8K port input that supports all the gaming features and 4K/120. Then just connect console to the receiver and get DTS and all the gaming features for video over eARC. Best of both worlds!
Connecting consoles to TV works fine if you are fine with just atmos or DD. If you want the DTS support though, just know you will need a receiver with HDMI 2.1 8k support.
Aside from a couple software bugs it has been an amazing TV and great picture. Love it and the colours and black levels are great and HDR bright etc.
Speaking of bugs: if you are using ARC receiver that doesn’t have eARC, make sure to turn earc support OFF on TV and not leave to auto or you will get major audio latency. I finally fixed it. It was like a second late after video. Bad.
Additionally, gaming mode features may appear greyed out when left in auto. Make sure to switch it to ON at least once and then back to auto and all the options will be available.
Don’t think you can do better for your money for the s90c and can’t go wrong!!
Happy New Year all!! May it be successful, bring you and your family good health and joy and happiness. Cheers!
🤝🏼
Bought the S90
Very happy with it
Couldn’t see enough difference for the additional money
Bought the Samsung sound bar with the money savings
Another fun and informative You Asked episode!! Oh, I am so excited! You put the Natalie Cole on the stand! If I know the album I can identify it, but I mostly don't! You can't know how thrilled I am to be able to identify this last album of the year on the last day of the year!! I feel redeemed! 🙏🏻Happy New Year and have fun at CES!!🥰
TV PURCHASING COUNSELOR! Yes, you are. Got me there!
Combining Black Friday sale and Tastecard's extra 10% off, I went and bought S95C 55' and I am super happy that I did. I wanted to future proof myself as much as I could, sure I could have gotten a 65' S90C but I knew that S90C was just basically 2022's screen repackaged as 2023 model, so I bit the bullet and went ahead with S95C. It's super crisp and the colors pop like no other. *Chef's kiss*
Samsung had 50% off on Soundbars when buying a TV so glad I got my hands on Q600C soundbar that came with a subwoofer. Life's good :)
I picked up a used Panasonic plasma last year for 50 bucks. I wanted one when they were new but didn’t get one. None of the technologies since have topped plasmas. It feels like you can fall right in. I encourage everyone to check out a used plasma. Those pioneer elites are out there too!
My new S90C will be delivered this week (replacing a ten-year-old Samsung LED - a vast improvement is guaranteed) and this video really reinforced my buying decision. Thanks!
How’s the TV?
@@trewright1482 Hi. It's only been a couple of weeks, but so far, I'm pleased. The streaming is much faster and better than my old Samsung, no surprise there. The remote is not my favorite but I'm on Xfinity so I use their remote, which paired right up. The picture's very sharp. I used Caleb's settings as a baseline, although I'm still playing with them a bit just for comparisons. Bottom line is, I've no buyer's remorse. I wish I could say that about other things....
Thanks for asking!
Thanks for the segment based on my email. I ended up coming up with enough to make the purchase and went with the S95C 77”. Installation is this Friday, so I’m excited to watch the national championship game on it. Also, I am console gaming on the Xbox Series X but more casual gamer than anything. Movies is priority 1 for the TV. Thank you!
I'm just now realizing Xbox users are prob better off with an LG since LG is the only brand that does Dolby Vision correctly, and the new Xbox is capable of running Dolby Vision.
Congratulations on your purchase. I hope you enjoy it. I chose the S90C, but either TV is great and I must admit the design of the S95C is impressive.
@@asole100 Dolby Vision gaming isn't as good as I'd hoped it would be. It's really dark, I had to turn it off.
To me, the One Connect box of the S95C is the main reason to get it. Just the convenience you get, although I guess most people are changing stuff all that often. But def get the S90C over the S95C, not worth the price difference in the least
I have to say, I wish more TV manufacturers would offer something along the lines of a One Connect box. I hate Tizen OS, so the idea of buying a high-end Samsung TV just to get the One Connect box doesn't really sit well with me anymore.
I have a TV with an ATSC 3.0 tuner. It is fast on ATSC 1.0 channels, but it takes an extra couple of seconds to lock in on an ATSC 3.0 channel when I select one. For the interactive channels it takes another second or two for the interactive application to load and put up an on-screen pop-up saying that the channel is interactive.
Perhaps this is what Ron was referring to.
YOU MISSED … the 77” S89c again! I saved $600 over the S90c - same TV sans feet w/ metal cover. The 5yr BBuy warr was $100 cheaper too!
Thanks for confirming w/samsumg it was QD-OLED on previous video comment.
I just got the S90C and its such an amazing TV! It is plenty bright, I have turned the brightness down, more than halfway for some situations. Sound system also sounds pretty good as well.
I got it on a great deal for $1400 with a trade in credit. Super happy with that price.
Damn, first 4 minutes and I heard exactly what I needed to. Been in the same boat trying to decide if I should wait or buy a TV now just like Jon 😭
For what it is worth, there is one early benefit of ATSC 3.0, although it is dependent upon use case and local reception. The transmitters have higher broadcast power and can have longer reach for those watching over the air broadcasts. This is still dependent upon transmission location and local topology, so your mileage may vary. In our case, we now get all the main stations in the Seattle area reliably, prior to the purchase of our Samsung S90C, two key stations were spotty at best, more often just MIA. Maybe in a few years 4K transmission will show up as an added bonus.
Got a s90C with a 2nd Gen QD Panel. Its the same as S95C espcially if you know the SM S95C mod. I think we got lucky this year. Next year Samsung will make sure that does not happen again.
What's this mod about?
some s90c have the same panel as the S95C. You can go into the Service menu and tell the Tv you have the same screen. Once you do that brightness processing is changed to the exact same as the S95C@@arsenalx7
@DeeBatch That's actually insanely helpful! Hopefully it doesn't cause any problems/damage, but I'd love to try this out on my panel, thank you so much!
not it does not cause damage they have the same chips. Just make sure to switch back if you have a warranty claim. They don't like you going into the SM.@@arsenalx7
All into TV and ARC to AVR is the best solution from a technical standpoint. One point about my AVR that solved a bit of grief was turning off auto-standby when idle too. This made sure the receiver turned on when the TV turned on, and only turned off when the TV did. For family use I'd want to head off any potential "there's no sound!" confusion.
Yes as long as you don’t want DTS to passthrough. This TV will convert sources using DTS to DD or Atmos which was a surprising detail. I want to be able to use dts as my receiver supports it. You can’t even pick it from xbox when connected to TV port.
So that means if you want all the gaming video features you need a receiver with a 8k port that supports 4K/120.
The owner of the Kuro plasma TV, Jon Accamondo, also seems to be interested in LONGEVITY when choosing his next TV. I think he may want to consider that neither the Samsung S90C nor the Samsung S95C may last as long as the Kuro plasma TV that he's still enjoying. While my own experience is an admittedly "small sample size", I'll mention that I have owned 2 flagship Samsung TVs and both of them have needed repairs. I have come to suspect that although Samsung TVs have great picture quality they might not be built with the best components, and may tend to break down sooner. With that in mind, I'd probably be cautious and buy the lower-priced S90C, or invest in an entirely different TV brand like LG or Sony which may last longer.
This is my concern, Samsung s89c or the LG c3?
S89c is cheaper in price, but is it worth risking the build quality?
@@LuisSanchez-zt8ql I understand your dilemma. Samsung is selling their QD-OLED models at such low prices it's difficult to resist the temptation to buy. I'd love to invest in that technology, but I keep asking myself, "Is Samsung cutting corners to keep their costs down?" I don't have an answer to that question, but it worries me. If I purchase an extended warranty it increases the amount I've invested in the TV (and I hate the hassle of repairs and replacements). Speaking just for myself, if I were buying a TV today I would probably settle for the LG C3, even though it's not my ideal TV. I figure it's reasonably priced for the quality and longevity I'd be getting. Other buyers might decide differently...!
@@marksalamon619 I've been asking around and others seem to share your thoughts exactly, you get what you pay for. Thank you, LG it is.
@@LuisSanchez-zt8ql I'm glad to hear you sought out a few other people for their opinions on the matter!
65" s90c with a vizio v-series 5.1 surround for my little apartment has been a pretty great "budget" setup so far. Its My first OLED and surround sound.
Hey just let u know it’s Actually--NOT OLED OLED.
It’s called QD-OLED. 50 mini led, 50% OLED. So the Traditional OLED like LG c1 C2 C3 Sony A90K A80L A95J etc. they are significantly inferior.
Because ppl do NOT know what is QLED, or MINI LED. So Samsung was afraid that ppl think Mini LED is”infer” as false perception. So they Categorized calling QD-OLED as “OLED” as markeing . So ppl draw conclusions it’s Premium.
Kinda like GAS car vs Hybrid. D S90C is NOT an OLED OLED. It’s only nice cuz it’s half Mini LED. It’s a Hybrid. 🎉 since it’s Half Mini LED. They could easily Brand it as “mini LED” but Just Higher Tier. But they decided to put in OLED category because ppl are Biased to see OLED as better.
@@Yoga_Tv_buyingI think you misunderstood how QD Oleds work? It’s blue backlight pixel which uses a quantum dot film for green and red. At the end of the day the pixel layout is just made out of rgb instead of wrgb which adds white bleed into the pure color mix. QD OLEDs are objectively more pure in displaying colors
@@KopfdesRiesen QD-OLED are blue tinted. S95B is not REALY . If u check s90C , d egg n bunny. Check it out. Blue tint.
@@KopfdesRiesen QD-OLED has blue color directly pass thru. It has mild blue tint.
@@Yoga_Tv_buyinghybrid sounds good 🤙🏼
I'm in a similar boat, my plasma has a very good picture and -zero- motion issues. I have yet to see any alternate tech (beside CRT) that doesn't have motion issues. Considering that, it's difficult to decide which is more important to me. I suppose I'm looking for someone to convince me that the motion flaws aren't so bad as to ruin the more vibrant colors and clarity of a S90c or A95L (vs. the more theater-like picture plasma provides.)
The correct answer is S90C. Unless you actually need the one connect box.
If your buying a 55/65" wait for clearance to ensure a second gen panel. Or look for one with a model FB03 on the box. At least for 65" that appears to be the closest you can get to increasing your odds of a second gen panel.
For 77" it's S90C all day long as they are all second gen panels.
If it's the 83" then get a C3 or G3 as the 83" doesn't use a QDOLED panel anyways.
Looks good in the beginning, but I don't really trust qd-oled yet due to burning in and brightness nerfing.
Man, I love this channel and I find you you psychological analysis is absolutely stunning
I totally agree on the television part. If you have the money and like it, buy it. It maybe years before ATSC 3.0 will work out. Broadcasters are blocking it for more money, unfortunately. ATSC 1.0 still works fine though.
6 months later it’s funny as I snagged a noticably better price on a s95c than the same sized s90c was offered at in my area. I couldn’t believe it at first as I was preparing to wait for s90c prices to drop further when I stumbled across S95C’s for the price I was hoping the S90C would eventually get down to.
Just bought a S95C 77 inch to replace my CX 65 inch. It's an insane tv. Another big difference between the S95C and S90C is the stand. Stand on the S95C is more sturdy and well made than the cheaper one on the S90C.
Want last year
Have you played ps5/ Xbox etc on it? Any flickering issues?
@Philbyyyy I have my PS5 connected to it, and it works perfectly. Absolutely no flickering. PS5 looks amazing on it.
Beware of burn in with the S90C if you plan on do some decent daily gaming. I bought a 65 inch on October 12, been playing about 4 hours every day, mostly NBA 2K24. The lower part of the tv has some noticeable burn in of the in game scoreboard.
Do you let the TV run its pixel refresh or whatever Samsung calls it? Rtings runs burn-in tests playing 24/7 and they don't have burn-in that quickly. What mode do you use?
Do you play any other games or watch TV on it? Cause that should fix it. I have slight burn in on my Dell XPS laptop from windows elements (the screen that led Samsung to make QD OLEDs as it's searing bright in full window (I measured 1,000 nits no dimming) and will of course burn in) and I had to switch colors to dark and auto-hide the taskbar.
It could be fixed with pixel refresh but laptops don't have that and I only see it in very few scenes and it's almost offscreen so it's okay. Do the games allow to change the colors of the hud? They should actually offer a darker hud.
@@techsamurai11 I've ran it manually once, also have pixel shift on and high dimming on logos. Game mode on, warm2, peak brightness high, contrast at 50
S90c has refresh screen feature, so no burn in.
@@Shadow-7773 it's burn in trust me, been there for more than 2 weeks.
Happy new year. Can’t wait to see what we get in the next 12 months 😊
I will say Pioneer built those plasmas like tanks, whereas Samsung's build quality and reliability have been questionable as of late. That being said, the S90C is one heck of a value in terms of picture quality/performance.
Waiting for Blue PHOLED. Fingers are crossed, 2024 is the year.
Very informative video. Thank you. Microcenter has the 65" S90C for $1,699 right now too. Whereas the Samsung 55" S95C is $2,299.
I’d love a quick opinion on a G3 vs S95C, I get a workplace discount with AT&T, I can get a 55” S95C for $1.4K, and the 55” LG G3 for $1.6k. Both great deals, stuck between both, trying to see the differences and if it’s worth the $200 difference for the G3. What do you think?
❤❤both amazing choices. I HAVE SEEN both in store IN person. And I am picky cuz I have had $4000 TVs. N I have 2 HIsense FLagship. I get it they are not OLED but very close. Like the S95C. Has Significantly BETTER COLOR than G3.
The brighter the TV gets. The HIGHER Color Volume A tv NEEDS. So when they projecting the Mid range shades, like bright trees. Flowers…etc. they will look more solid color vs a tint feel.
The G3,,its great, that to ppl USED to use OLED…C1 C3 C3, SONY A90J, they will be WOW. Cuz those TVs are in SUCH low color volume n pestle. They see G3 is”vibrant”. However if u are USED to Samsung , Hisense …HIGH luminance RICH but butter fluid colors. U see something off about G3. Like for example if u see sports stadium, the red outfits look Water melon ish. The yellow outfits look lemon. The blue n Green bright outfits lok more like a tint transparent . N the ORange banner look kinda weak not solid color.
The SAles ppl will keep trying to use “black black” look “high contrast”. MOST images are NOT A color against a Black. It’s more like a color of own shade transition from bright to dim. D MOST solid the Color looks the more 3D it looks. Or a Color transtion to Diff color. So the highlight n Color volume are MORE important that “color accuracy” or black …the S95C is Absolutely nicer than G3. 😊
@@Yoga_Tv_buying I really appreciate the input, I think I’m going to pull the trigger on the s95C, I was just afraid of the apparent issues the one connect box has with gaming, but seems like it’s an issue if you use cheap HDMI cords?, I’m coming from a Sony 55 X950G so either model will be a upgrade.
Do u have a decent size room ? With that budget u can get like much bigger tv . I think the G3 s95C is best if buy 65” or larger so things don’t zoom out. Cuz at at size evrything so dense so I might even lose details when seeing landscape views n Etc . The whole reason getting flagship to see more :):) so JSUT my opinions tho . Cuz I have 55” n 65” I notice lots image loss when I watch 55” cuz my eyes can’t make out of the “small thing “ in time at background lol
@@Yoga_Tv_buying my room is small unfortunately, the biggest I can comfortably put is a 55”, I also have a pc set up under the mounted tv, eventually if I move my pc set up as well and just have a entertainment setup, then i can upgrade to a 65”.
@@TheGamingDead14 hey good to know. JSUT sharing my experience that I got Hisense Flagship . Cuz I was so skeptical (before that I had a $3500-4000 tv ) i bought the smallest hisense possible when my older tv was flickeirng . They look much similar oled visual , I end up having to buy another one 1 yr later n double the budget 😛when I liked it so much .
Look up : Vivo Tall tv stand . U will know what I am talking about . That brand is saving grace for small space . I had a flat one that I can tuck the base under my other dresser , bags , container whatever I put under . Now I got new stand with small wheel , 🛞 I move my tv at corner of Small room. I find that is total space saving . Not saying u need it right now , but def can help u :)
So I was thinking of purchasing the 77 A95L. But at double the price of a 77 S90C, I am torn. But then I just saw some videos about the NVIDIA Super Resolution feature that does an amazing job with upscaling. I am a programmer and am running a 3090 (lots of opened programs and 3-5 virtual machines running). So let’s say I dedicate the card to nothing but watching low bitrate contents, like RUclips. Considering the A95L and S90C use the same QD-OLED panels, should I just buy the S90C (77) and watch my you tube contents via my computer connected to the S90C and let the NVIDIA Super Resolution feature improve the upscaling instead of the Samsung processor? In summary, I would think a $1500 video card would do better at upscaling than an XR processor. Is there more in the XR processor than what the 3090 can accomplish the same. Oh, and by the way, I am also have a Gig Internet connection if that matters.
As for sound, I am running a 7.1 Marantz/Klipsche system.
Thank You.
Never mind. I tested the NVIDIA Super Resolution feature on a 480p/720p RUclips video and indeed it made it so much clearer. Will go with the S90C 77!!
Re the Samsung conundrum, i am in a similar position with the only working
large screen that i have is a Pioneer Kuro Plasma, having now got over the disaster
i had with my first attempt to buy a 4K TV i am now wating for the right spec TV
to be available that i will be happy with.
So my advice to this person is wait and buy the TV that your heart desires, and also
wait and see what new models are to be released in 2024, by then the S95C will have
dropped in price as they clear stocks for the new models.
Caleb will keep us well informed after CES.
So here’s another question, what about the s89c? It’s tough to get a clear answer on what the difference between it and the s90c. Love your content.
Don’t know about recent TVs, but I have an old LG Oled B7P and it outputs to both optical and hdmi Arc at the same time. I used it to compare a soundbar and powered speakers by taking turn muting or the other.
Bought the S90c 55inch for 1080euro from Samsung. Cant wait!
Wry much disagree on plugging in directly to tv and using eARC when you have an AV receiver. Maybe it’s just LG, but I spent hours fighting audio delay issues in these setups, as well as sometimes not being able compass certain audio types. Everything but basic items to av receiver. Done.
Regarding the AVR and TV hookup question, I'm not sure Caleb's answer is quite accurate. Obviously the specific AVR and other hardware matters, but whether you plug into the AVR or the TV is irrelevant to the number of cables going to the TV. That's really what caused me to write this reply.
Some specifics from my own experience: I have an LG C2 TV and a Denon 3800 9.4/11.4. I can plug my PS5, Series X, or Roku Ultra directly into either the AVR or the LG C2, and it will turn them all on/off. However, Roku does not currently have any official control for Denon, and while it officially can control LG TVs, it doesn't seem to want to control volume via CEC (it does this just fine with Hisense and TCL TVs in the same room). It does however have IR codes for LG. So technically, it's a mess regardless of whether you plug directly into the TV or the AVR.
If you only have the one TV in your room, then you're fine with IR controls (in my case; this all depends on your specific hardware). If you have 6 Roku devices in your room, and you want to control everything via IP and CEC, then relying on IR is...not going to work as you'll be turning one TV on while trying to open the menu on another, etc.
Anyway, if you have a modern TV and a modern AVR, even the cheaper new stuff (e.g.) Onkyo 5.2 setups, you're going to have one touch control with your (e.g.) Roku remote...probably without even having to setup the remote at all. Personally, I find it easier to plug into the receiver than the TV, and doing this allows you to manipulate the audio sync a little better, imo. Remember: you can delay the audio to slow it down for the video, but I've never seen that option the other way. If you plug into your TV, the audio could be behind the video, and you cannot speed up the audio or slow the video. But you can delay the audio so that it doesn't out pace the video if you're going through the AVR first. FWIW, I have not had audio sync issues working with the Onkyo/C1 or the Denon/C2 in either direction. But sometimes a Plex feed does require some audio syncing. And sometimes OTA signals are out of sync as well.
MADE THE PLUNGE. Just bought the S90C TV with the Q990C Sound bar. Mainly to justify the combined cost. both will be delivered on Friday the 19th. What is the best set-up with the PS5? Are the provided HDMI cables sufficient? Thanks.
77 inch Samsung S89C with soundbar for $1999 was the deal to get this year
Keep that pos will not last two years
Missed the sound bar deal, but got the TV for that at least. When was the sound bar offered? Will be good info for future end of year buying.
@@GGg-ic9kumy S89c is coming this weekend. What are you thoughts on it?
"I don't plan on using the AVR all the time"- Why??? Use it all the time even when not watching TV...
Don't worry about it going bad - it will become obsolete before it goes bad and you want it to go bad during the warranty as they are not repairable outside the warranty because the cost of the repair is usually more expensive than the AVR itself or parts are intentionally not available forcing you to buy a new one.
The problem is that AVRs can sound ridiculously bombastic and loud in a living room as I'm finding out with the newer AVRs that replaced my old AVR. It's really hard to tame the sound nowadays despite all the curves that you can apply.
Make sure you can dial the volume on the sub down easily like SVS with an app...
Yes!!!
I do the opposite and find it easier. I run everything to receiver then one from AVR to TV. I don’t understand why it would be better to run everything to the tv when most receivers made in the past 8 years has passthrough so you don’t have to turn on the receiver. I use the AVR as a device switcher and keep the tv on the same input.
I feel those physiological comments. I like nice things but I'm also frugal AF. it was a bit of a battle to even decide to get my Sony A80J but there's always been this lingering feeling that I should have gotten the A90J or the LG G2
I still use Toslink on my TV->AVR connection because my Sony X950H and STR-DH590 won't play well with CEC and ARC with the latest firmware. It sounds fine, and the reliability of IR remote control makes the whole setup "just work."
I don't remember which models right now, but new Samsung TVs allow you to keep the audio from the optical digital connection and EArc/Arc working simultaneously. I work in Brazil with Home Theater system installations and I've seen this functionality in action in projects I've done recently. I'll try to find the models that do this and update them here.
Any update? Wondering if the S90C or S95C support this?
Are there any TVs with a proper gigabit Ethernet port (not the 100 Mbps found on even high end models)? Streaming full quality UHD blurays through plex requires the higher speeds.
s90c 2nd gen is the same panel as the s95c except that samsung lower the brightness on the s90c but you can change it in the service mode and make it as bright as the s95c
After watching probably every comparison about the s90c vs other tvs I happily chose the s90c for gaming and movies. I can’t remember the last time I bought new tv so either way this things is gonna blow my mind. I had to get the 77 inch because I wasn’t taking any chances on getting the first gen panel. I just hope it comes undamaged aha…
How’s the TV?
@@trewright1482 overall I love it! My 77 inch panel did come in a banana shape though. The corners are further back than the belly of the tv. “Bent” TVs I saw on RUclips have more of an S shape. Mine is a symmetrical curve almost as if it’s meant to be. It makes side viewing almost nicer. But It works perfectly so far I can stand right in front of the tv and it looks clear and sharp. I got mine for $2499 and it jumped up right after I purchased. Shipping was good and packaging was in great shape. I completely installed the stand and lifted it up on the stand by myself it even with it being 80 lbs or so. There’s absolutely no imperfections in the screen or anywhere. The bend may not be oem but it almost looks like it. I have a video of it I may try to upload but I’ve never uploaded before
As someone who films 4K video onto an SD card I would love a tv with an SD card slot, like my old Panasonic does.
For many days, I was researching Sony A80l, Samsung S90c, and LG C3. I ended up buying 77" LG C3 instead because it's better in everything even though S90c has brighter OLED and A80l has better procssing. As of lately, Samsung has questionable QC, buggy firmware, and no Dolby Vision. Sony a80l is too dim and only has two 2.1 HDMI outputs
Bruh i swear thats the resoni went with my lg too. Lg is like a mix of samsung and sony wish you dont get all the benefits but also none of the draw backs of both brands and i think thata the only reson lg is somehow still reletive and alive, for now atleast
S90C for most people
I just returned a Sony A80L because the room it’s being used in is too bright. The Best Buy salesperson told me to avoid OLED all together unless I wanted to pay the premium for the LG G3. I really love the look of OLED but in a bright room the directed me towards the QN90C. My question is if the the S90C is any brighter than the A80L and if I should settle for a little darker image even in a bright room for the amazing picture quality of OLED?
Samsung TV's output audio through the Optical out simultaniously while any other output is active, whether you are using TV speakers or eARC.
Hmmm... he clearly said he needs the TV for gaming - why did you recommend the S95C which has serious problems with dropouts on xbox / ps. The OneConnect Box doesnt even support full HDMI 2.1 bandwidth
Consoles don't even support the "full" HDMI 2.1 bandwidth. XBSX tops out at 40, while the PS tops out at 32. So continuing to harp on 48GB at this point is stupid and pointless when it means nothing.
I would like Caleb to address the S95C screen flickering issue. Seems like he is ignoring it?
Current LG tvs support dts. Older ones don't. Passing all vidoes through AVR makes sense. But LGs game mode doesnt play well in that setup.
4 things, you could be getting a 1st gen panel if getting a 55in s90c which is bs. Now I'm gonna wonder every time the new lineups are announced, which models samsung is gonna try to secretly push their old panels to.
Atsc 3.0 has drm which is already a negative and caleb says atsc 3.0 has no disadvantage. Lon seidman describes the negative impact about atsc 3.0 on his youtube channel.
Brought S90 65" and S990c during Black Friday sale. S95C far to expensive for small differences
As an installer the 95c .. the one connect box does not mount on the back of the TV very well.... if you want it on a stand it is great but if you want to wall mount it.. it's terrible
How much will the price drop on the s90c, now that it's the last years model? Looking to buy said tv this year. I'm guessing the price drop will come when they announce the 2024 models, or at least when they come out.
Also, does the 65" model have the 2nd gen panel, now that it's this late in the production cycle? 77" is a bit too pricey for me.
Great video. I was wondering. I'm at a crossroads for two TVs. I have the option of the QN 750C 8K 65 inch TV, or the S90C. I just don't know which one to get. I'm assuming that if I get the QN750C I'm futureproofing my purchase? I use the TV for movies, gaming and sports. Would be great to know which one you'd chose (if any) and the difference between the two.
Thanks!
I went with the Samsung 65QN85C and to me those other two are not worth the money , that’s my opinion
Would be interested to know if the 2nd generation panel in the s95c (and some s90c models) would be enough to justify the paying the higher price for the s95c.
The price difference varies (when I bought my S95C it wasn't big). IMHO it is worth it though, not because it is brighter but because that means it has less issues with burn-in / isn't worn out as fast.
ATSC 3.0 will remain broken forever because instead of choosing a free audio codec they were lobbied into using one that needs a license and now the license holder, Dolby, is squeezing companies for money. Could have been avoided by using a free audio codec. But when you have Oren Williams, a dolby executive, making the decision on how audio should work with your new ATSC standard, well the needs of the company he works for are weighted a little heavier than the need to have a free open way to broadcast a tv to the masses.
On the subject of S90C vs S95C... I think there is more to look at. If you want a 55 or 65", well... I would lean towards the S95C. It is guaranteed to have the new panel, which is less prone to burn-in. Since the one asking is still using his Kuro, I guess he wants to use the TV for a very long time. Also I guess it helps having the electronics in a separate box. Should they fail... replace the box, keep the panel. The S90C MIGHT have the new panel... but it's a lucky draw.
Now, if it is the 77", they always come with the new panel, so the S90C is a safe bet.
If the one asking is a gamer however, I would lean towards the S90C. 48 Gbps support vs 40 Gbps makes it more future proof.
Now, for me... if 77" would have worked in my space, I would have bought the S90C. But that was too big for my peripheral vision, so a 65" S95C it is. I'm happy with it.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm looking to buy one of the 77" and it's a 1k dollar difference between both of them. Might have to go with the 90C even when I do like the idea of the one connect box
Only one user about burn in. Am surprised this is not discussed in the video itself.
I don't think you're guaranteed to get a second Gen panel with the smaller S95C panels. If you buy a 77" model then you're guaranteed to get a second gen panel. Lastly One Connect Boxes are expensive to replace to down the line. Several hundred dollars.
@@Nwordplzplz You are, AFAIK. That's what Samsung said in the beginning. S95C will always have 2nd gen, S90C could have either. And I haven't heard any report that anyone with a S95C received an old panel. Samsung would be extremely dumb to do so anyway, as those TVs wouldn't be able to match the official specifications and this would be a massive PR disaster that is completely unnecessary... besides opening them up to legal issues as well.
Yes, several hundred dollars is better than getting the same part AND paying for getting the TV torn apart to replace the parts. Plus the risk. Plus transportation. etc. Even though the box may be more expensive than the spare parts alone I think avoiding all the hassle is worth it.
@@justanordinaryguy23 At 1k difference you REALLY must want the OCB. There are minor differences in the calibration between both I think, you can find more information on the avsforums for example.
Hey I just have a question! Hopefully you can help! I bought a Samsung s90c QD oled, I love this tv! But got a problem! And don’t know what it is or if it’s bad! Or normal! Every time I turn off my tv a blue dot 🔵 appears on the left side of the screen! Does anybody know of this problem? And could help tell me what it is? :)
well, in my region 55 S90C Come With 2nd gen QD-OLED same As S95C, and 55S90C Price At $1200 and free samsung 43inch CU7000.
Caleb for the 🐐 for this one!!!
8:43 the lg c1 and i presume the 2 and 3 can all do multiple output some i Believe through eARC and the digital out
Samsung really hamstrung the s95c with the 120hz max on the one connect box. 144hz on the s90c is the way to go if your fps gaming on the tv regularly. I honestly hope they fix this issue next version, I really want a top end Samsung oled but I'm not going to accept any major drawbacks at that cost premium. LG still hasn't fixed the audio bug on the CX so they are dead to me, as are my ears from the screeching.
For mixed usage, should I go with the 65 S95C or TCL 75 C755? In my country, the prices of these two tvs are almost the same. Same with the S90C and S95C. It seems that I am starting to lean towards TCL since size is king but brand reliability is quite questionable though it offers 2 years warranty compared to Samsung's 1yr. Any ideas?
S95c is a way better TV despite the size
One drawback atsc 3.0, encryption and its potential integration with required internet.
S90C is the price King!
Can someone tell me if I can use a swivel wall mount on the S95C? My wall doesn’t have a flat spot big enough to mount a 65” tv
What about s90c oled vs qn85d neo qled which route would you go
Extremely good shit Caleb!
Can you all do more Projector reviews, please?
I own 2 Sammys and two Sony televisions. I live in NYC and about 2 months ago OTA broadcasts changed. On my Sony's, CBS is now broadcasting 1080p HDR AC-4 and NBC is now broadcasting Dolby Vision /Dolby Atmos. It takes about 5 seconds to tune in those channels. Also on Sundays, CBS loses signal ( no antenna connected message) very often during NFL games ONLY. All other programs have no signal loss. As far as i know, my Sony televisions dont have NextGen tuners, so why the change? My Samsung's still broadcast at 1080i on CBS and NBC via OTA antenna.
Your prob getting a weak signal on that Channel check the strength of that channel ota stuff is crazy even led light bulbs can cause rf interfere drop the channel
Some Samsung tvs have built in ota signal strength reader in device care 👍
Very informative video 🎉
The S90C is better in almost every aspect. The build quality alone is better than the S95C, the S95C feels cheap every time you touch it, when the S90C has a metallic frame all around it, it's more stable, more eye peeling overall, and cheaper as well. Just go for the S90C and you'll be fine. Even the specs are better on the S90C and literally it gives you the impression that Samsung cannibalises it's own top tier tv for some reason.
So wait, if you have a nicer AVR which has 4+ HDMI 2.1 ports, why would it be better to plug into the TV instead? Seems to me both options should offer the same results (assuming the video processing of the AVR isnt garbage). For reference, something like the Samsung Mini Led QN90C and Denon X3800H AVR. I currently have this setup and have just a single HDMI cable going from my TVs eARC to the Monitor Out on the Denon for eARC and the devices onto the Denon AVR (not the TV) so trying to understand. Thanks and happy new year all
I'd rather have the 4x HDMI 2.1 ports on the TV rather than rely on an AVR. I have the QN95C 85" paired with my Denon AVR S970H, and I had a horrible time getting my XSX working with one of the three HDMI 2.1 ports. My Xbox would constantly switch back to 4K60, and it would tell me notify me that 4K120 wasn't supported. Luckily the QN95C has 4x HDMI 2.1 ports so I plugged my Xbox directly into the TV. I have my gaming PC, PS5, and XSX connected directly to the TV. 4K144Hz is amazing! No issues whatsoever.
@@Nwordplzplz interesting. I just got a xbx for Thanksgiving and have no issues. Did you enable the 'enhanced 4k' or whatever it's called for that port of the avr in the setup? It's needed to tell it it's 4k120 or 8k60.
@@theroachmotel Yup! I enabled enhanced HDMI, and I tested out different cables, but the issue remains. My receiver is running the latest firmware as well. I'm glad I don't solely rely on HDMI 2.1 passthrough like most people do with non LG or Samsung TVs.
Wait for 24 model then compare with 23 model if 24 model has incremental gains 🤔 make your choice
Oled TV is still in its infancy. Only the backlight is oled.
OLED TVs are 10 years old, that's NOT in it's "infancy". And the tech itself has been around longer.
My only problem for my s90c is streaming 4k, motion issues, but to solve that i play physical media... samsung 4k hdr gaming and videos is fckin spectacular amazing colors than my iphone xs max hdr videos!
hello all tv experts I need help from all off u and specialy the s90c owners. I bought a s90c in November and can still return it. the problem iam expirencing is the motion handling, even with different settings I never get the right spot. I really like samsung but I am thinking about returning it and buy a A80l Sony. is it worth it ? will it be better or is it just washed of money? please help me I feel lost and I been researching and thier are definitely 2 sides on this matter. happy new years
Have you tried turning off all those settings? Like game motion plus or auto motion plus etc. you can find articles to help turn those off
Otherwise if you have audio latency and are using receiver or soundbar with ARC only and not eARC, make sure to turn eARC mode to off on tv and do not leave on auto. This caused almost a second of audio latency for my setup. OFF meant that ARC still worked but no latency!
Good luck I am sure you can get this to your satisfaction. It’s a great TV! Don’t return it!
Does S95C maintain the higher brightness for longer period than S90C?
no, I had both and I can say the S95c was overly aggressive with auto dimming, while the S90c never dimmed (that I noticed anyway).
Neither my new S95B is broke and Samsung refuses to do anything about it.
There is a really huge error in a video, TCL doesn't make its own chips, they use the same SoCs from Mediatek as the rest of the industry
Since tv manufacturers keep on taking one of the HDMI 2.1 for eARC I am wondering Does eARC need 2.1 hdmi or can it be HDMI 2.0 to work ?.
eARC should work fine on hdmi 2.0. It just won’t have 4k/120 capability since that requires higher data rates than what 2.0 can do. And I don’t think you’ll get the gaming features but I could be wrong. Like ALLM, QFT, variable refresh, etc. I think you can still do 4K/60 on hdmi 2.0 and pass through lossless uncompressed audio. Although the TV cannot pass through DTS it will convert to DD or atmos but I don’t have an earc receiver yet to see if 5.1 or 7.1 uncompressed bitstream may work better. I think the TV will still convert it.
As long as your video settings don’t surpass 18 Gbps data rates you will be fine. Search hdmi bandwidth calculator and plug in your variables to see how much it will use. For example you can do 4k/120 with 4:4:4 chroma sampling and 10-bit HDR on hdmi 2.1 only (40 Gbps port). Whereas you can only do 4:4:4 with 8-bit on a 4K/60.
@@Hypo11111 then why do tv manufacturers take one of the only two 2.1 HDMI for earc when they can just use one of the 2.0 one for that which is my original reason for asking .
@@Hypo11111 thanks
@@r.j.mvelazquezgonzalez2738 the eARC port will always be on one port so TV can talk with receivers and soundbars and have all the video and audio features available. I’m not sure if I properly understand your question though :)
Hdmi s the best so far
No Kodi available is basically a deal breaker.