Fun Camera That I'm Not Buying -Lumix S9+26mm F8
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Looks a bit tempting. I think that S9 could fit my style of photographing. Not really sure about the 26mm… A 40mm pancake with that body would be something I like.
Yeah, exactly. It's not all that bad a camera but it would need a nice compact 40mm(ish) pancake lens. The Sony A7CII is the same size though and there are plenty of lenses for that.
@@mattisulanto agree, but A7c ii about 50% more expensive though…and I don’t recall anyone ever saying that it was fun to use, but a nice camera! Open gate on the S9 does seem to be important to many as well. The irony is the s9 seems to have several more photo-centric functions (live composite, pre shooting buffer etc), yet no view finder and overall it seems to be marketed more to video users.
@@gordon3988 The price seems to depend on your geographical location. I think the A7CII is fun😀 If you mainly do video then the S9 might be better but for photography the A7CII is better in my opinion.
All wanted that 😢😢 except Panasonic engineers 😂 Almost AF pancake lens cmon. Canon have 24-28-40 pancakes F2.8 with AF for almost 20 years 😢😢
I already have the g9ii and g9, and if the s9 has the same autofocus performance as the g9ii, it may be the ff to buy as a second system if it drops in price. It seems more appealing than the R8 with the stabilization, using manual lenses is not a big deal with focus peaking, but stabilization makes a big difference in composing the shot.
The Sigma 45mm on the S9 changed everything for me. 🔥
Awesome! Thanks for sharing.
Awesome stuff, Matti and great timing of your post. While I am not a huge fan of that lens, the camera body with the SmallRig grip is a great travel combo! I'm glad you covered who this was for, a lot of the channels didn't seem to realise this wasn't aimed at them. :) Well done, mate!
Thanks my friend. Yeah, too many people have the wrong expectations for this camera. I'm happy to see something a bit different and I hope it'll sell too.
I'm planning on buying one of these S9s later this year along with some of the small sigma i series lenses and a grip. Here in the US the S9 costs $1500 body only, while the A7C II costs $2200 body only. The difference in cost will pay for two of the lenses I want.
Thanks for sharing. The prices vary according to your geographical location.
I think I like the camera. Not crazy about the L mount lenses at the moment. I’ll stick with my m43 system and the wonderful little lenses for that system.
Perhaps should have had the opportunity try with some of the small sigma lenses…I think that would make a big difference! So many folks who test note the ‘fun’ aspect of the camera…an underrated requirement IMO for casual use. Glad you enjoyed!
The 35mm F2 is one of the smallest Sigma FF lenses but not the smallest though.
I’ve been using the 45mm and it’s fantastic
@@zerodeefex7765 Here is my old review: ruclips.net/video/CT4Pwn6CEdc/видео.htmlsi=t2nc-pg9y5j3q0rx
Sony keeps releasing electronic-shutter-only cameras with slow sensors but gets no hate. S9 comes with open gate, lumix stabilisation and small lenses are planned. It's a package that fits well in today's market.
Thanks. That is a good point. People don't get upset over Sony e-shutter only cameras. Is it Sony's better targeted marketing or something else?
@@mattisulanto I guess their ability to bring out new gear at a steady pace fits well to modern influencer marketing. Plus they had great functionality earlier than others, so anyone buying a Sony would have an overall positive experience. I guess that combination created a lot of momentum for them, enough to overcome some flawed products and strategies.
@@mattisulantoPartly a tribalism thing? People accustomed for mocking Panasonic for making M4/3 cameras feeling they have to defend against a small-body Panasonic incursion into 'full-frame' territory, M4/3 users disappointed they aren't being offered a 24MP phase-detect mark 2 GM1/GM5/GX7/GX8 (delete according to whichever EVF and screen articulation combination you consider to be a deal-breaker) feeling they need to complain that Panasonic isn't catering to them personally?
The main reason I have kept the S9 is the MP4 lite video format. The rest of the features like the LUT's I'm also not bothered about. The lack of a viewfinder isn't too bad for me but it's quite a heavy camera for one handed rear screen framing when compared to the Ricoh GR, X-M1 and X-E series. I'll happily carry the view finder less X-M1 all day but the S9 gets a bit heavy with a Sigma 45mm prime on it for example. Good review.
Nice video, as usual :) Funny thing is that nowadays I see it as a feature if a camera has no viewfinder. I hate viewfinders but I always need to carry them with me and suffer the discomfort (ruining the camera shape mainly) if I want to have a proper camera :))
Idk, sir, I felt like evf is a crucial thing to have since I first had in in my camera. Especially in low low light and in bright bright sunlight
It's just living in equator thing, eternal summer. They could have planned A7C viewfinder but I guess it isn't doing it for the target market.
I really want to like this camera. Lumix has great colours, ergonomics, stabilisation, lenses and LUTs implementation.
But I think I will wait for the launch of a S7 rangefinder-style Lumix camera. A full frame GX9, if you will. That would be my dream. Until then I will probably settle on a Sony A7C ii or A7CR
Would be awesome if we some day get something like an S7.
That would be SOOOO good,. I love the gx9 but imagine that camera fullframe. Perfect
Finally a camera from Panasonic that I’ve been waiting for. Compact range finder style and no view finder. I bought it from Japan in black and silver with the kit lens 28-200 mm. I really love this camera.
Thanks! At least there is someone happy with this camera. So good to see a positive reaction for a change😀
@@mattisulanto glad to hear that lol I always wanted Panasonic to make a camera similar to A7C.
I'm aware that this camera has had a lot of criticism and dislike from certain people. I would speculate that because it's a Lumix and due to its styling a lot of people assume it's a "budget Leica" and want to pretend to be Henri Cartier-Bresson without spending too much money. They then realise it's a blogging and content creation camera and doesn't really provide the traditional rangefinder experience and ethos, hence the negative comments.
Obviously this is only my opinion, but I think the choice of styling is strange for the target market, and may put off some of the buyers Panasonic are aiming at.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I love the look of this thing! Problem is, whenever I take my GM1 out, the limitations just make me wish I had brought something else instead. 😛
It is very similar to a ZVE1 in terms of body design choices. It just doesn't have the lens ecosystem to back it up. Most L mount lenses are large and heavy. The Sigma I series lenses are the smallest fully featured lenses whereas you have the compact Sony and Samyang primes on E mount.
Another problem is that the marketing was mostly towards photography when it lacks many photo centric features like a mechanical shutter, hot shoe, EVF and flip up screen.
And it is such a good video camera barring the stupid recording limits.
The final nail in the coffin was the S5II being only $200 more while having a more professional body with weather sealing, dual card slots, internal fan, mechanical shutter, EVF and a hot shoe. So unless you need a much more compact body, the S5ii is a way better deal.
Just a weird camera all around.
Thanks! I don't actually know much about the marketing of this camera. I have only seen some YT videos by photographers.
This is made for people who will not look at an S5II at any price..
Great video 😁 I got the 26 f2.8 Nikon z mount pancake for my zf ❤ you should try it on your z5❤ you will love it😁
Thanks. I'd love to try the 26mm but right now my budget is kind of used up and can't buy anything for a while😀
the s9 is on the shelves here in Thailand, it hasn't sold well according the camera shop sales ppl. I personally think the s9 would make sense if only Panasonic made smaller full frame lenses to go with it (with AF)
I understand it sells well in some regions but over here in Finland it looks pretty lame too. It definitely needs some compact lenses to make sense.
Most young people taking pictures for fun want something smallish and fun looking. It's a bit intimidating to people if you were to bring an S5II to a family meal lol.
Yes, absolutely. That's what I meant in the video when I said this camera can offer something special for certain users.
Matti, another interesting video. I really appreciate you unbiased reviews. I think you could make a review of a homemade pinhole camera worth watching!😂 honestly, I rely on your opinions presented honestly and clearly. Keep your videos coming!
Thanks. You know what, I've had a pinhole project under construction😀 Not sure if that'll ever end up in a video though.
I think it is a fair review. I myself have a Lumix S9 with a TTartisan 28mm f5.6 manual focus lens and have been having great fun shooting with the combo. I have only taken about 10,000 shots, however, due to the extremely hot weather and occasional heavy rain in Japan, where I live. I set the lower shutter speed limit to 1/250 second and set the ISO auto from 100 to 6400. I set the aperture to f/11 and focus to 3m. I have the LCD on the back of the camera folded over backwards and I do not look at it while I am shooting. As long as I use the camera in this way, this combination is a lot of fun for me. That said, to be fair, you could do the same thing with a Canon EOS R8, or a SONY α7C ILCE-7C. I have about 15 digital cameras, and I don't expect to take all the pictures I want to take with just one Lumix S9, which may be another reason I am so happy with the Lumix S9. It can be a bit difficult to shoot everything with just this one camera.
Thanks so much for sharing. Your setup sounds really nice.
@@mattisulanto Thank you so much for your response. The lower shutter speed limit feature of modern digital camaras is wonderful. That is, with the auto ISO.
7Artisans 35mm ii is the perfect lens for the S9.
Nice straps to be used for cameras for street photography. Great review for the S9 camera
Thanks for watching!
I would love to have a S9 if it had a good grip, a much faster sensor readout (so that I don't have to worry about moving objects in the frame) and no hard limits for video recording length. The best feature of the S9 is the IBIS, but it's not enough to compensate for those severe limitations.
Thanks for sharing.
Hi Matti, thanks for sharing your opinion on this Lumix camera, it's nice to see a camera with a fixed Aperture of F/8. And the fact that it's only Manual Focus makes it a fun experience. I haven't seen many cameras with an F/8 fixed Aperture. The photos were good and I liked the nice shadows it produced. And of course I did like the strap. Thanks Matti it was nice to see 😊.
Thanks again for your support and comment.
@@mattisulanto Your always welcome Matti, thanks 😊
Thanks Matti 👍
Good video as usual...but...I don't care that others like the S9...but I am not a video guy and also I am still a bit upset that Panasonic seems to have stopped production of all "rangefinder style" m43 bodies such as the GX9..Cheers
Thanks. You are not alone there. I too miss a refreshed rangefinder style camera.
Hi. 26mm.. f8. Are they playing games... Cheap Panasonic... Thank you for review
Thanks, I will totally avoid this camera now
That should be quite easy😀
som yt influencers assume that panasonic gave this camera to test in japan/ launch instead of a different camera (was introduced together with gh7).
the zoom pancace for l mount 18-40 f4.5-6.3 should follow this year.
Very interesting thoughts and points. I have sniffed around that camera a bit, but I've just yet to see someone not sponsored say much that counted as emphatic praise. I don't think it's the devil. I just don't think it's in my consideration set.
Thanks! It's not for traditional photographers for sure.
I'm a fan of Lumix, but in this case for me the S9 is not an option at all :( just that 7c have the same good things and add some more to the package, so no reason to buy the Lumix. The S9 only would be a real option if it would cost 899$ for body or 949$ with that manual 26mm as a "gift"
Thanks for sharing.
@@mattisulanto Not you!! your content is always entertaining and so cool :)
Good video.Thank u. It is a camera for instagramer or influencer . Small, fast for shooting pics. And push them on plateforms. But you can see nothing on your small phone when you change luts...
It is a "fast food" or a "Macdonald" camera...
So, the error of the communication of panasonic was to choose professionnals photographers....
If lumix want to sell this caméra, please , ask to
Influencer like me with FOLDABLE smartphone !!!!
The "monitor" contrôler is a big smartphone like my vivo x fold3 pro !!
It is the best combo for editing and put luts on pics and my insta!!!
So, please,mr Panasonic, try my solution and you will sella lot of s9.... And I am ready to help you👍
Thanks! Yeah, the standout features are squarely for influencers who want to share quickly.
That camera lens is a disgrace. I still think S9 could be a bit bigger and give us viewfinder as in A6xxx series.
You can buy the S5II if you need something bigger with a VF😀 Another option is the Sony A7CII.
It is very clear that Panasonic not have listened to what serious experienced users want of a Camera ! They have made a cheapish produced camera that looks a bit trendy and posh, but it does not meet the real expectations of what users really want. I think the biggest downside with this camera is that it lacks a good EVF ! A better option will be Sony A7C or the newer Sony A7CII.
I'm sure they listened to some users but not you😀
@@mattisulanto I think there are lot of "angry" users they did not listen to. I think this S9 is an attempt to get out of MFT for Panasonic, I do not think we will see new compact MTF cameras from Panasonic and probably not even from OM Systems. Did you want the S9 !?? Did Panasonic listened to you !? Panasonic are not a very small brand for still photographers, it is more videographers that stay with Panasonic, so we may see that Panasonic makes a full stop of still photographer cameras in the "near" future.
@@cameraprepper7938 I just don't understand why people are getting angry. There are so many other cameras for the traditional photographers to choose from. I would not buy the S9 but I chose the S5IIX and I'm very happy with that. The future of MFT is another issue altogether and I have no idea of what is going to happen.
@@mattisulanto I do neither get why people get angry, but often it is Canon, Nikon or Leica fanboys that get angry. I for not hate any camera gear, but sometimes I do not understand what camera gear makers are thinking about when making some gear. As Gerald Undone said recently, the only Camera maker that do listen to customers are Sony.
F8 and be there slogan taken into extreme. Anyways I like small size factor though
Respect your viewpoint, however, the camera is designed for people that want to upgrade from their smartphones. It uploads photos and small videos quickly. Professional photographers will opt for something else for their creative work.
Thanks. It's pretty clear this is not a professional photographer's tool😀
That lens is a joke, in the same world where Viltrox announces pancake 28mm f/4.5 with AF, 26mm f8 with MF only is maybe 3-4 years late.
Yeah, they should have made something like the upcoming Viltrox.
Oh my gosh. F4.. well . Ok sir
Yes, but is it like a Pizza?
Is this comment meant for this video?😅
Недоделанная камера. Не куплю её.