Thank you for this. I've always dug Andre's talent as well as Prince. I used to think and wish they were secretly dating and that they were secretly Bi sexual and that they broke up cause one like women more. (My lil 2 cents lol). But none the less Andre is talented and seemed to dislike the fame that he would've had to endure. Prince took a while yo warm up to the fame as well it seemed. But again thanks for this "Prince Friend".
Oh, I forgot to mention this. When Prince was on Tavis Smiley’s show (during the Bri days), he talked about Andre briefly and referred to him as “my best friend”. (You can see it on RUclips)
There was one thing I feel that set Prince apart from his earlier childhood friends and that’s his work ethic. A lot of his childhood friends had kids as teens. Prince was not about that. He would do anything to be successful and that sometimes meant stepping on toes. His childhood friends had a place to go for support (parents homes etc.) Prince didn’t. He was in survival mode. He was all he had so Prince definitely made the most of it but at a high cost. At the end , he was alone. That part breaks my heart.
@TOOREALize Until anyone of us walks in his shoes, we really don't know. Prince was looking, and reaching for something that was bigger than anyone imagined. 'Purple Rain' debuted 6 short years after his first album was released. Prince was on a different level period.
Man, there needs to be a proper documentary done on Prince..not a biopic but a documentary with behind the scenes footage. These early early pics are killing me!! Outstanding!!
There is one on RUclips that's an unauthorized biography.....that has his cousin Chaz Williams in it, and his first manager, Gayle Chapman, etc.... It's actually on RUclips.
Big Deelowski1..Yeah I've seen that one...I mean one that's released in the theaters..including footage not seen before, etc. That's the issue now, there are a dozen or so of these internet docs. There needs to be a real doc released because I bet there's home footage of him in his early years!!! Stop with all the internet docs and "Reelz" documentaries!!
@@troynossmarvel6866If what this documentary claims is true, then Prince not only died alone, but reaped what he sowed. I hope he repented before God and asked those he stole from and cheated for forgiveness.
In one interview, Andre spoke of Prince with what seemed like a “distant fondness.”He said in their later years they would see each other from time to time but not often. He recounted the time Prince asked him to come to Paisley and P played some songs for Andre from “Emancipation”. Andre said he remembered it so well because Mayte was pregnant and Prince seemed so happy at the time 😢. He also told a story where P invited him to his show in Ca I believe in 2014 and they played “Dance Electric” together. And you are right about Andre not listening to P’s music, cuz when Andre toured with NPG he commented how he was having to learn many of the songs for the first time. ☔️💜☔️
You know your stuff. I read that when Andre confronted Prince- Prince replied “I’m the star”! So Andre was quitting the band but it was just before a tour. Andre was asked to stay for the tour + leave after. Since he was doing Prince a favour he asked for a slight raise but Prince said “No”. Andre got so upset he said “I’ll do the tour but if your so tight with your money I’ll do the tour for nothing”. And can you believe Prince never gave him a dime. Now you felt that Andre was trying to outdo Prince onstage. Andre looked a lot like Prince in those early days. On the studio song versions of “Why You Want To Treat Me So Bad” + the other official song videos I noticed Prince singing + dancing around Dez Dickerson, who played lead, but he rarely did the same with Andre. Therefore Andre was rarely seen close up or his full profile. I thought “Why Is Prince intentionally doing this”??? I figured that because Andre looked so much like him he would steal some of Prince’s attention. It was so upsetting for close childhood friends- Prince to find success + get richer + more famous but to treat a friend you knew so long. A friend whose mother took him in, when he had no where to go, fed + gave him a roof over his head, + treated him so well. It would have taken so very little to maybe to produce, mix, + release an album of his work, free of charge, to pay him back for all his family + him personally had done for him. Andre was very talented + just might have made it- found success. And when I listen to interviews with people associated with Prince Andre’s are the most entertaining. If he harbours deep hurt he covers it well hidden. He tells the best stories about their early days together. They had a concert in Minneapolis + Andre appeared + performed a few acoustic songs of Prince’s- he was excellent + it broke my heart!
I commend Mrs Anderson. She had six kids of her own and willfully added a 7th(Prince) Very brave and kind hearted. According to Andre she would set up gigs for the band. I guess she was acting as manager which is super cool😎. Andre i think your mom is a true inspiration.
It was Prince one man band demo that caught Warners attention. Also, Andre's mother brought the two friends back together while laying up in a hospital bed
Remember, Andre Cymone,s =Living In The Nu Wave from 1982 his debut release, have all of Andre Cymone,s releases,, including some of the ones he produced for other artists still on bass and other instruments
1969 was absolutely amazing. Point and click, black man in America, and it ain’t much are life altering to me. Thank you for the backstories and a lil shine he deserves. I would love to see you review 1969!! 💜😁
It’s cool that Andre and Prince were childhood friends. But I didn’t know that they had some differences they couldn’t work out. I’m sure that deep down Andre misses prince and the times that they had together in the band despite the differences they had. It’s a good thing that Andre is doing things on his own. Great review! I give this a thumbs up.😄👍🏻
Had it not been for my seeing this video, I probably NEVER would have seen the video for "The Dance Electric" (very cool). Thanks. Prince trivia are fascinating, so thank you for having created this channel and for making your videos.
I always wondered why Andre left so all of a sudden. I met Prince in San Francisco during the Dirty Mind tour. I was excited about having the opportunity to hang out with he and the band for an entire day. It shocked me when Andre was not there. They told me it was personal issues he had to reconcile. Now I know what they were nearly 40 years later. To bad. However, it worked out for both. Goes to show you how talented those two were to have the success they both had. I never felt their styles were that close with the exception of The Dance Electric. Much like Lewis and Jam, Andre went in an entirely different direction with his productions. Wow! Really good inside knowledge here! Thank you and keep up the good work!👍🏾
Yet I think at the same time, despite the bass line, the rest of Do Me Baby is pure Prince seduction, the dirty piano and sexy falsetto vocals are Purple Cream and Perfection.
So sad they couldn't work everything out. Unfortunately they never worked it out after he left. Wished they could have remained friends good friends are hard to come by. Awesome review!but sad.
As much as we love Prince, we can't put him on a pedestal. There have been way to many stories over the years of Prince not doing the best by people he worked with. Mostly not giving credit to others who contributed to songs and albums. That has been a reoccurring theme over the years. JS
If these people help write some of prince songs how come they have not become very famous. These people wanted prince fame and they seem to be jealous of him.
She’s not wrong that there have been stories for years, no. I’m not here to say whether they are true or not, though. There’s no way for me or really anyone to know.
Problem is back in 2017 Andre was on Tour and did a show at the Bowery. He did Princes Cult classic "When You were Mine" Live and he said this is for my Friend and Brother meaning Prince. So he can't be too mad especially that song thats always been a Fan favorite. Andre was my Artist of the Week one time and so was Brown Mark Very cool guys to talk to.
Shortly after Prince's death, I had read an online intererview about Andre' and how he and Prince met and started their first band. I believe that Andre' should have been given due credit and attention for the fact that it was him who discovered Prince before anybody else had ( forget Warner Brothers ) He paid much respect to his late friend despite that they parted their ways. Prince's death must have been quite devastating to even Andre'. I just believe that the two cats had too much talent and that Prince desired the spotlight more than he led on. He didn't just take credit and music composition credit from Andre' but literally stole the show away from Andre'. And I love Prince and the music he put out. But I also take notice of those who also contributed their time and effort such as Rosie Gaines and Dez Dickerson and others. By the way, at the 1:25 mark, I noted a young Jodie Watley with Andre' back in the day when she was with the band Shalamar.
its a character matter...prince was a hard worker....if Andre had/has the guts to perform and produce on his name....the path is open ...opportunities is the key...Prince found that single hole in a very demanding and hard way... which was a small opportunity to convince Warner Bros... that "he is not only good...but the best out there ...and could do it fast and bring money" and then maximise it working to it.... Prince did it ...Andre was a part of it... MJ had his father and jackson 5 could do it with a back up help concrning managers/producers - Motown...Prince was alone, Andre was alone....Prince went to wolves to tell them ...look what i can do and i can do better which is very hard as he was nobody...You can be Einstein or Da vinci but you must sell and during your first steps you are going to fail...till you find how to bring success and be a name of respect...
Here's the reason: Prince did all the work and didn't pay much. Prince was a shrewd businessman. He did the production and got all of the royalties. This is why Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis started producing outside of being in The Time. NO ONE WAS MAKING MONEY OTHER THAN PRINCE.
Almost but not quite.... He was Shrewd musician . Those THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN /SYMBOL/,SLAVE years he had to endure and spend getting back control of his music and Image was where he finally ended up getting his business lesson, like many before him .
@@dannyclay1967 Andre started smoking crack and would loan his expensive cars to dope dealers. I saw it myself. That's real reason and Prince was a super clean water, no drugs etc.
Makes me sad that childhood friends couldn’t work it out... there certainly was time to work that rivalry? out. Life is too short, love and forgiveness is what it’s all about ......💜💜💜
It's about conflict resolution. Both parties must understand the problem they have with each other and both parties must get their issue off their chest. Many people don't understand the meaning of friendship. Most people are not a man or woman of their word. People become friends with a person just to get something from you.
Andre proved he was a great producer when he produced Jody Watley; could've been as successful as Jimmy Jam And Terry Lewis. He had the talent to do so.
Narcissism ruins friendships, to me ballads is what makes an musician great, andre's upbeat jams are as good prince's , ironic learning about this because prince surged ahead of him in that area(Slow jams), but still salute to Andre Cymone
It's very easy to spot the FANatics.....that's for sure. Fanatics think Prince can do NO WRONG and if anybody says anything to the contrary..... They're a "hater" LOL.. When in fact we love Prince too, however we don't wear purple blinders therefore we can see things as they really are. It's called REALITY
I think the part that bothers me. Andre's Mother/Father sheltered/fed/clothed/Loved Prince. It seems Prince's bio father didn't. Prince's bio father made quite a few kids and didn't do ANYTHING for them. By Andre's family Loving Prince...that took something away from Andre'. I don't know and don't pretend to know what took place or the dynamics. No doubt Prince had in rough in some respects...had it easy in many other respects. Prince didn't have to answer to anyone. The Anderson family wasn't his own, his father was indolent, his mother easily gave him away and cared for Omar and Tyka. Funny we don't here about Duane Joseph...?...Prince could do it his own way. It didn't hurt that Prince was damn cute ...light skin, glowing hazel eyes tiny in stature fragile looking. Couldn't help but feel sorry for him. But he knew how to use that to his advantage...On one hand...should've given more back to where he came from and to those who got him to where he is...on the other hand...would he have gotten to where he did if he didn't leave those who got him where he was behind....He got to the mountain-top and found he was alone..____life...---...___
@justmyself. Maybe Prince did give back to the people who helped him. Maybe we just don't know the details about it. He might have even helped Andre when he went out on his own for all we know. I wonder if Andre has said anything about it? Prince is known to have helped lots of people.
I respect your comment... I think Prince did give back. And i think there were other things that went into him either being alone or looking that way to the world. To no small degree imo, this is because Prince was an mbti entj. And thats all classic entj. That's a whole nother subject tho.
I totally agree. I believe it was all abt becoming rich n famous the early yrs. Of course, most of us become wiser our latter yrs. It was obvious Prince did change too. We all have our flaws n have 2 live n learn though. I really like ur last comment...."He got to the mountain-top and....". So sad.
Prince was always helping the Qualified Musicians and singers on his level. If in fact, Andre himself claimed that he was equal to Prince then he was clearly deluded in his mind. No one from that Minneapolis camp even seems to come close to Prince's level of Talent so.!!! Andre has talent but so does a lot of other musicians. Even some seasoned Studio musicians had something to learn from this Genius. Prince was nearly unmatched. Also Andre Left on his own accord, not due to Prince. Jealousy is not out of this equation in my opinion. Again they wanted the same thing and both had the opportunity for the same thing, Prince had bands Andre had bands, But Who do we still listen to. And The Dance Electric is the only song outside of Let's Work that we even think of Andre. And That was Prince. Sooooooo...........Um..........!
Thank U so much 4 this .. I heard so many versions and stories as to what happen to their friendship, so this what very enlightening. So sad, I wish they would have remained friends and continued to work 2gether. It's even so creepy how much alike they look.
Great job man! This was something I always wandered about; similar to Muzz Skillings leaving Living Colour and Dou Winbush coming in as his replacement. I wish I could have seen the Andre-Prince band. Did they play together on those early Controversy shows around 1981PF?
Well.. A few things I know differently.. 1) The photo at the 1:46 mark is right after 1999 & just pre-P.R. & that is Jesse J. Not Andre(admittedly a resemblance) 2) I don't think P.R.N. gave Andre that moniker he came up with it himself. 3) Dance Electric was on Andre's 3rd album "AC" 4) Thee biggest reason he left? $$!!! I'd read an alleged quote (years ago closer to 82-83) that Andre stated " Dude was like on his 3rd house & here I am still living in my mom's basement!" I think Andre speaks about Prince now with more decorum after his passing.. but his true feelings were revealed back then not too long after his departure.. thx!
It was Andres THIRD album that has The Dance Electric on it, not the 2nd. Also, Andre said in an interview that he grew tired of Prince getting all the financial accolades while he and the other band members struggled. That also contributed greatly to him leaving.
I would of walked too.... real friends don’t do that. I am a Prince fan. Bu now I will check out Andre, his time to shine. I hope it works out for him.
STRAIGHT out of the horses mouth. in an interview way back in the 80s, Andre said he was only doing Prince a favor until he found another bass player. He always wanted to do his own thing from the beginning. Prince was not the reason why Andre didn't blow up. Prince gave Andre his only top 10 hit....Dance ELECTRIC
I can't name the samples for you but some of the artist copied were : the Mamas &the Papas,, Gary Newman, Sly & the family stone, etc.. Go back to the 60"s era and you'll discover the liken ess Prince added into. His songs. We just didn't say "sample"--it was a familiarity .
Excellent video. I hope you do one in the future about Prince and Sandra St. Victor, where they had a writing arrangement and some of the songs ended up on Emancipation, but Sandra threatened to sue Prince because he didn't give her and her writing partner(Thomas Hammer) credit on the album(although they're on the credits now for the reissues from Sony).
I don't know that any childhood friendship could have survived the kind of explosive success that Prince experienced. Still something tells me Prince was being a royal scepter here.
It is hard when there is two exceptional musicians. Side by side they actually made each other better by trying to out due each other. Competition makes a person better than they already are. Especially when you have the drive they both had. They were more like siblings. Siblings can do and say anything they want to each other. It's to bad they couldn't work it out. Another great video. Thank you.
Maybe if they all got signed as a band, things would have worked out. I think Andre could accept that. Instead, Prince got a contract and Andre was hired to back up Prince. This is not the career Andre envisioned for himself and it is said that the understanding was that Andre would leave later on and do his own thing.
Man that was deep. I'm sorry that they lost they're friendship behind that. It also shows that in order to make it to the top you got to be a little cut throat. He's still was one of the baddest artists on the planet but damn Prince.
Andre’s own words: We were rehearsing to do our tour. Some of the band members loved the groove I was jamming on. Prince came in and he jumped in the jam. He recorded it and came back the next day with lyrics and it was the song “Controversy” Prince used a groove or a riff or a bassline and turned it into a song,
There is an actual podcast with Andre Cymone talking about his career. He said that they were still friends. And I thought it was Let’s Work bass line was Andre’s.
Sorry I didn't mean to link any links to my personal music on your page in the commentary. One of your subscribers requested. I'am a Prince Friend as well. I see a lot of your videos and comment always fairly and appropriately. Prince's music along with other artists influenced my trajectory. A lot of the information you share about Prince I knew already. Anytime you are ready to endorse people who has been influenced by Prince on one of your reviews..we can talk. I wish you all the best and thanks for keeping Prince's work and his legacy alive. What you are doing is awesome.
@@PrincesFriend Someone did ask me yesterday in your commentary. I did ,but it was removed I think.. I actually wanted you to view it as well. If you have a Facebook Page. I can do that. Because, I have a business page as well. Your reviews on Michael's work and Madonna was also awesome. By the way I live in Europe as an American Citizen. I've seen Prince several times live over here. Guess what I've seen. The Sign O the Times Concert Live back in 1987. So I listened very carefully to your review on the movie. It was very accurate. Anyway, we definitely going to keep in touch. May you live to see the dawn... Blessings.
It may have been caught in the spam filter. I’ll go check it out. I appreciate the kind words, for sure. There’s a FB page, in addition to Twitter and Instagram for the channel definitely.
Just checked the spam filter and there's nothing there, but I specifically didn't delete your posts. Checking further, your links and comments are there and visible, so I'm not sure why you were having problems seeing them. Cheers though! Keep on keeping on!
Such a shame that those two great musicians parted ways but it led to their success. Prince became a star and so did Andre in a way. He became more than Prince's ex bass player when he was doing his own stuff.
Great stuff. Another 'thing' I've always been curious about is if there was any real animosity behind Jesse Johnsons recording of Do Yourself A Favor. Do you discuss this in any of your videos perhaps?
It also sounds very much like Aretha Franklin's "Angel", a song released in 1973. Someone on here said this was settled out of court. Maybe Prince or Andre came up with it and didn't realize it was someone else's music already recorded.
Baby, Prince was a star indeed, but he was also a master of his craft, a true artist and innovator; he also worked his ass off. It is too bad Andre stopped listening to Prince’s music… he missed out.
Yep !! ..... Andre was that dude in the 80’s up in the club, on the dance floor with both fingers in his ears and shouting .... “ LA-LA-LA-LA !! “ whenever a Prince song came on ...:-)
@@arichmofo Sure and when he got home, he threw on *Purple Rain* and said to himself *"DAMN I SHOULD HAVE NEVER LEFT PRINCE, NOW I HAVE TO BEG HIM FOR A HIT RECORD"* LOL You could not escape Purple Rain, and if that wasnt enough, there was *ATWIAD Parade Batman Lovesexy Sign Of the Times* and you honestly think he turned off the music when prince songs came on? he went out and purchased every prince album when they were released LMAO
There isn't much Prince music after Dirty Mind worth listening to anyway. Of course Purple Rain is classic but after that it's all downhill. I dig what he did with his off shoot artists, Sheila E, Jill Jones, Mazarati, but wasn't feeling the albums under his name.
To my knowledge he left because he wanted his own band from the start but decided to support Prince until he was ready to leave. He never intended to be with Prince forever.
Actually it was for Cymone's third album that Bernadette Anderson asked Prince to contribute. I think you may have forgotten that Prince neglected to give Cymone any print credit on his albums even though Cymone contributed. There's an interview where Prince says that there was a typo and Cymone's name was omitted (by accident?). I think this was the first album. If you listen to the track " Just As Long As We're Together" even though this was noted as being recorded exclusively by Prince, you can clearly hear Cymone's voice. Just as you can when Cymone sings the closing part of Uptown.
@@dr.kingmessanger1196 My reference to credit is not exclusive to composing/writing it is also use of and display of talent. If I played drums on a song then my name should appear in the credits of the liner notes.
Good video. Two young guys starting out as equals eager to make it big in the music industry. Each one going for it. It must have hurt when Prince took the lead and maybe some envy/jealousy involved. Prince was driven and wanted total control. Seems like he could be a little s**t at times to people as he was on his quest as a musical genius but we still love him. 💜💜 Can we hear about Morris and Dez?
I also heard that Andre played bass on some earlier Prince cuts from For You and Prince but wasn't credited. And regarding Do Me Baby, whoever came up with the bassline took it and the chords from this Eddie Hazel cut. ruclips.net/video/R64XYu2lePQ/видео.html
avace917 Wow! That’s an eye opener! And I recall reading or hearing somewhere that you can legally use 8 bars of any song without any repercussions, so the part that sounds similar on #DoMeBaby seems to be within those boundaries. Thanks for the link, I don’t think I’ve heard that artist before. 🤗💯
Its always been the revolution listen on partyUp...the whole band and prince said revolution baby rock&roll going uptown baby i dont wanna die i just wanna have funky good time
This is a good video although I do think several things aren’t mentioned that should be. The first being that, from the jump, Prince was always the star. When Prince was signed to WB as a solo artist and Andre agreed to join his band, I don’t think Andre realized that he was going to be playing second fiddle to Prince in those situations. But that’s exactly what happened. Prince was never signed as a band; Prince and Andre were never signed as a duo; PRINCE was signed. As for the music, Andre admitted that the two of them routinely borrowed from one another because they were close, so it sounds like it wasn’t one-sided. It’s funny tho that Andre won’t admit which songs contain aspects that he stole from Prince. In addition, musically, “Do Me, Baby” shares A LOT in common with an Eddie Hazel song, and Andre even admitted begrudgingly in another interview that Prince changed the lyrics, only keeping one or two lines from Andre’s original, which oddly enough we still have never heard lol. But I think the biggest reason Andre left was that he wanted a career of his own. I don’t agree that they were all equally talented. I definitely think Prince was the bigger talent and he had a bigger drive to succeed than the others. I remember stories from their shows where they talk about Prince walking around the stage, telling them all what he wanted them to play and any adjustments he wanted them to make. Plus, Prince was a far better songwriter. Moreover, look at how each of their solo “careers” developed compared to Prince’s and then ask yourself whether or not they’re equally talented lol
Andre still alive I thought this was going to be an interview of his reasons why and it's a shame that Prince and Andre became Rivals because had things gone differently maybe they would have been the next Lennon and McCartney and Looking Back Now Andres early albums were really Prince music because now when you listen to Andre today you hear a distinctly different sound.
Will there be a special Christmas Prince episode this year ?? I'm compiling a list of songs for the numerous parties I'm going to next month.💙 Very insightful as always P.F.
Andre Cymone and Prince,,were both on the same level of hardcore funk with an mix of nu wave and punk music, in my opinion going left field two like that can throwdown is hard to be in an band, knew about the shade between Prince and Andre, there was something said that Andre discovered The Time, that Prince took over the band, there was Alexander O Neal /who was the first lead singer for the Time, then something went down between Prince and Alexander; Morris Day became lead singer Andre was there when all this went down, along with the bass lines said stolen, Prince and Andre were like brothers and brothers always in time come back together have all the Andre cds and the Girls CD he produced in 1984, both had an different sound u can tell when Andre was throwing down the bass was heavy, also the nu wave and punk genre is mixed with hardcore funk the same thing happened to the Isleys Brothers the younger brothers wanted to go solo with hardcore funk mixed with heavy metal the older set wanted to do just mellow slow cuts then in 1984 it happened, Isley Jasper Isley was Ernie, Marvin, Chris/the older set was Isleys Brothers led by Ronald; later on there were various groups of Isleys they had come back together as brothers Marvin and O Kelly have passed R. I. P.,, the Music business is hard as hell to survive in I believe Andre Cymone always felt Prince as his brother and Prince did the same thing it is about time that Andre is getting props now for Andre is the other half creator of the MPLS sound We lost Prince,s but we shall have Andre that is so very close to Prince as both are brothers, like the vid the Dawn is here, welcome to the Dawn, ps there is an rumor that Rick James stolen Prince,s keyboard on that tour in 1980, in getting back at Rick James, Prince took Vanity from Rick James and produced Vanity 6
Vanity never knew Rick James. She met Prince and Rick James at the AMA in1980, both stated that she was their wife. They met once again when she was seeing Adam Ant. Later, when she became a christian, someone asked her about Rick James .She stated "don't believe everything you hear".
@@reddylizzie , yes it is wild how this shade between Rick James and Prince is told in different ways, but what is known is the synth Rick James took from Prince that made Prince mad as hell with Rick James, remember the James Brown concert in 1990 before Rick got locked up, he did not want to be on stage with Prince and James Brown and Michael Jackson,, I like both Rick James and Prince there was some good music in that period from this battle, u have the time right 1980, an lot of rumors stories about that day, like your reply
They weren't equal. Prince had the talent & drive. Andre was ok. Do Me Baby is one of my favorite songs. I'm sure there was "sibling" rivalry w/them being so close. After hearing Prince perform The Dance Electric Live (not being mean, just an observation/my opinion), Prince still did it better (maybe because he wrote it) or just because he's Prince. There's only ONE! PRINCELUV4EVER!!!🎶🎸😙🔥🔥🔥🔥
@ L G Right,,, True 2 this!!!! this is a very touchy & sticky issue... you have some with the drive, some with obsession, some with hope or dreams, some with AMBITIONS!!, etc... etc.. u know what i'm saying, & all of these inner feelings can, & no matter what, interfere with any relations, if there's no communication of the minds... i've experienced it myself as well... sometimes giving the stage light to someone who may be able to perform it better might work out for all... not trying to be a male chauvinist, but how many times has a young lady picked out a dress she liked, but other preferred the way it looked on someone else much better!!?!? Sometimes being in the backstage is not so bad!!! Root the on!! if you're really good friends!!!!
@@starrcompany3275 it's also not what they did,,,, but how they did it!! sometimes the obvious needs to be edified!! If i'm 6'9'' & my Basketball partner is 5'6", am i gonna bring the ball up court, & pass it forward to him expecting him to DUNK IT?!?! uh,, i don't really think so!!! positioning can easily be worked out with communications!!!
Good video I don't know how much is accurate but the song The Dance Electric was on Andre's 3rd album not the second one. That's the only error I know of here. Would love to hear some sound bites to authenticate some of this.
I think it was better for Andre to leave rather than continue to work as a back up musician for Prince because it was leading to rivalry and a further fraying of their friendship. Andre undoubtedly had bigger dreams and goals. Since he was not under the record contract, he had limited say in creative input and did not accrue many financial benefits. Prince was only obligated to pay him scale, and Andre was not entitled to royalties unless he got credit so Andre was not able to make the living he envisioned for himself working under Prince. So I think Andre knew it was better for him to strike out on his own. I think Andre did create part of the music for Do Me and maybe some other material and maybe he did not get the credit he deserved or would have gotten had he been an equal band member. I don't think Prince was even legally obligated to give him credit. Lawyers have warned hired musicians to be careful about playing anything that they are not instructed to play because any creative contribution they make may become the legal property of their employer. I think Andre was hurt by the fact that Prince got all the credit for Do Me, but I think Andre was planning to leave the group anyway as that was agreement from the beginning.
Anyone who believes the dynamics of this group would have resonated with fans with ANYONE other than Prince Rogers Nelson at the forefront is sadly delusional. Andre's lack of critical fame on his own is proof positive that he simply didn't have "IT". And as you pointed out, his only real claim to fame game from a song Prince gave him. I did enjoy Andre and his music, Kelly's Eyes was another favorite of mine.
@@Einnor084 No matter what category you compare, Andre will come up 2nd. And you have no idea what I've done in my life. You want to voice your opinion, fine no problem. But it's people like you who have to try to make things personal that make having a pleasant discussion about things almost impossible.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Prince did swipe Andre’s bass line, considering how he treated, “The Time,” when they toured together!! Things like making them play as a backup band for, “Vanity 6,” but didn’t want the audience to see them play!! So he made them play behind a purple curtain!! He and some of his band members grabbed Jesse Johnson as they were about to go on stage and handcuffed him to a pipe backstage!!! And he’d drop them from the tour without warning, because they were starting to steal his thunder!! It wasn’t anything nice!! He even actually admitted that “The Time” was the only band that he was afraid of!! You can find the video in RUclips all about it. But, Prince was still the man!!! Quirky as hell!! But still the man!!!
Prince was a pretty fine bassist; he wrote almost all of the Time's music on bass. In one of Morris Hayes' interviews, he called Prince a bass legend. The joke gone bad with Jesse was not one of P's finer moments.
Andre said last year that just like Dez it was always his intention to "do his own thing". He said he was with Prince to get everything kicked-off, but he and Prince knew that he would leave to do his own thing at some point. I recently read an article on Vanity that said Andre took Vanity to a club in L.A. in an attempt to steal her away from Prince and that was the final straw for Prince. The article implied that Prince fired Andre, but everything I have ever heard said Andre quit so the article may have misquoted or drew the wrong conclusions.Andre made it seem like all was forgiven at some point, but they definitely would never work together even if Prince had lived.
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Thank you for this. I've always dug Andre's talent as well as Prince. I used to think and wish they were secretly dating and that they were secretly Bi sexual and that they broke up cause one like women more. (My lil 2 cents lol). But none the less Andre is talented and seemed to dislike the fame that he would've had to endure. Prince took a while yo warm up to the fame as well it seemed. But again thanks for this "Prince Friend".
Wow! That kind of story would have blown the world up 😂
They say that friends should never go into business together because either the business falls apart or the friendship does :/
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!
The Haves and the Have Nots Review: I agree
Oh, I forgot to mention this. When Prince was on Tavis Smiley’s show (during the Bri days), he talked about Andre briefly and referred to him as “my best friend”. (You can see it on RUclips)
There was one thing I feel that set Prince apart from his earlier childhood friends and that’s his work ethic. A lot of his childhood friends had kids as teens. Prince was not about that. He would do anything to be successful and that sometimes meant stepping on toes. His childhood friends had a place to go for support (parents homes etc.) Prince didn’t. He was in survival mode. He was all he had so Prince definitely made the most of it but at a high cost. At the end , he was alone. That part breaks my heart.
That don't mean to step on the toes that once helped lift you up tho.
Andre was his true friend the ego is a terrible thing
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Until anyone of us walks in his shoes, we really don't know. Prince was looking, and reaching for something that was bigger than anyone imagined. 'Purple Rain' debuted 6 short years after his first album was released. Prince was on a different level period.
@@likeisaidjenkins3689Girl bye
Man, there needs to be a proper documentary done on Prince..not a biopic but a documentary with behind the scenes footage. These early early pics are killing me!! Outstanding!!
I’d watch it
There is one on RUclips that's an unauthorized biography.....that has his cousin Chaz Williams in it, and his first manager, Gayle Chapman, etc.... It's actually on RUclips.
Big Deelowski1..Yeah I've seen that one...I mean one that's released in the theaters..including footage not seen before, etc. That's the issue now, there are a dozen or so of these internet docs. There needs to be a real doc released because I bet there's home footage of him in his early years!!! Stop with all the internet docs and "Reelz" documentaries!!
That's what I told my children, when they told me about the biopic
@@troynossmarvel6866If what this documentary claims is true, then Prince not only died alone, but reaped what he sowed. I hope he repented before God and asked those he stole from and cheated for forgiveness.
In one interview, Andre spoke of Prince with what seemed like a “distant fondness.”He said in their later years they would see each other from time to time but not often. He recounted the time Prince asked him to come to Paisley and P played some songs for Andre from “Emancipation”. Andre said he remembered it so well because Mayte was pregnant and Prince seemed so happy at the time 😢. He also told a story where P invited him to his show in Ca I believe in 2014 and they played “Dance Electric” together. And you are right about Andre not listening to P’s music, cuz when Andre toured with NPG he commented how he was having to learn many of the songs for the first time. ☔️💜☔️
You know your stuff. I read that when Andre confronted Prince- Prince replied “I’m the star”!
So Andre was quitting the band but it was just before a tour. Andre was asked to stay for the tour + leave after.
Since he was doing Prince a favour he asked for a slight raise but Prince said “No”.
Andre got so upset he said “I’ll do the tour but if your so tight with your money I’ll do the tour for nothing”.
And can you believe Prince never gave him a dime.
Now you felt that Andre was trying to outdo Prince onstage. Andre looked a lot like Prince in those early days.
On the studio song versions of “Why You Want To Treat Me So Bad” + the other official song videos I noticed Prince singing + dancing around Dez Dickerson, who played lead, but he rarely did the same with Andre.
Therefore Andre was rarely seen close up or his full profile.
I thought “Why Is Prince intentionally doing this”???
I figured that because Andre looked so much like him he would steal some of Prince’s attention.
It was so upsetting for close childhood friends- Prince to find success + get richer + more famous but to treat a friend you knew so long.
A friend whose mother took him in, when he had no where to go, fed + gave him a roof over his head, + treated him so well.
It would have taken so very little to maybe to produce, mix, + release an album of his work, free of charge, to pay him back for all his family + him personally had done for him.
Andre was very talented + just might have made it- found success.
And when I listen to interviews with people associated with Prince Andre’s are the most entertaining.
If he harbours deep hurt he covers it well hidden. He tells the best stories about their early days together.
They had a concert in Minneapolis + Andre appeared + performed a few acoustic songs of Prince’s- he was excellent + it broke my heart!
I commend Mrs Anderson. She had six kids of her own and willfully added a 7th(Prince) Very brave and kind hearted. According to Andre she would set up gigs for the band. I guess she was acting as manager which is super cool😎. Andre i think your mom is a true inspiration.
Agreed
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Mrs. Anderson was more of mom to Prince then his own mother I heard when she was sick in the hospital Prince would make frequent visits to her
@@Twan1985 Yup
It was Prince one man band demo that caught Warners attention. Also, Andre's mother brought the two friends back together while laying up in a hospital bed
Andre's mother was amazing. A hero too.
Great video!!!! I was like a trip down memory lane. Do Morris next!!!!
Remember, Andre Cymone,s =Living In The Nu Wave from 1982 his debut release, have all of Andre Cymone,s releases,, including some of the ones he produced for other artists still on bass and other instruments
1969 was absolutely amazing. Point and click, black man in America, and it ain’t much are life altering to me. Thank you for the backstories and a lil shine he deserves. I would love to see you review 1969!! 💜😁
It’s cool that Andre and Prince were childhood friends. But I didn’t know that they had some differences they couldn’t work out. I’m sure that deep down Andre misses prince and the times that they had together in the band despite the differences they had. It’s a good thing that Andre is doing things on his own. Great review! I give this a thumbs up.😄👍🏻
What's the old saying friends is one thing but money is another, separate friends from money!!
Had it not been for my seeing this video, I probably NEVER would have seen the video for "The Dance Electric" (very cool). Thanks. Prince trivia are fascinating, so thank you for having created this channel and for making your videos.
Always brightens my day when I come home from work and there's a new video. Thanks!😊
Thank you! Means a lot that you like what we do here. Got more on the way!
I always wondered why Andre left so all of a sudden. I met Prince in San Francisco during the Dirty Mind tour. I was excited about having the opportunity to hang out with he and the band for an entire day. It shocked me when Andre was not there. They told me it was personal issues he had to reconcile. Now I know what they were nearly 40 years later. To bad. However, it worked out for both. Goes to show you how talented those two were to have the success they both had. I never felt their styles were that close with the exception of The Dance Electric. Much like Lewis and Jam, Andre went in an entirely different direction with his productions. Wow! Really good inside knowledge here! Thank you and keep up the good work!👍🏾
The story I've always heard since the 1980s was that Do Me Baby was Andre Cymone's song; not just the bassline
modifiedcontent That’s what I heard
But the orgasm at the end makes it all his own
Yet I think at the same time, despite the bass line, the rest of Do Me Baby is pure Prince seduction, the dirty piano and sexy falsetto vocals are Purple Cream and Perfection.
So sad they couldn't work everything out. Unfortunately they never worked it out after he left. Wished they could have remained friends good friends are hard to come by. Awesome review!but sad.
As much as we love Prince, we can't put him on a pedestal. There have been way to many stories over the years of Prince not doing the best by people he worked with. Mostly not giving credit to others who contributed to songs and albums. That has been a reoccurring theme over the years. JS
You aren’t wrong.
If these people help write some of prince songs how come they have not become very famous. These people wanted prince fame and they seem to be jealous of him.
@@PrincesFriend you are not a friend of prince.
@@luv4ever101 i did not say he stole anything. I also stated there have been stories for years, not just after he died.
She’s not wrong that there have been stories for years, no. I’m not here to say whether they are true or not, though. There’s no way for me or really anyone to know.
Thank u for your time making these videos to learn more about the one we love
Thank YOU for watching. :)
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Problem is back in 2017 Andre was on Tour and did a show at the Bowery. He did Princes Cult classic "When You were Mine" Live and he said this is for my Friend and Brother meaning Prince. So he can't be too mad especially that song thats always been a Fan favorite. Andre was my Artist of the Week one time and so was Brown Mark Very cool guys to talk to.
Shortly after Prince's death, I had read an online intererview about Andre' and how he and Prince met and started their first band. I believe that Andre' should have been given due credit and attention for the fact that it was him who discovered Prince before anybody else had ( forget Warner Brothers ) He paid much respect to his late friend despite that they parted their ways. Prince's death must have been quite devastating to even Andre'. I just believe that the two cats had too much talent and that Prince desired the spotlight more than he led on. He didn't just take credit and music composition credit from Andre' but literally stole the show away from Andre'. And I love Prince and the music he put out. But I also take notice of those who also contributed their time and effort such as Rosie Gaines and Dez Dickerson and others. By the way, at the 1:25 mark, I noted a young Jodie Watley with Andre' back in the day when she was with the band Shalamar.
Andre Cymone and Jody Watley were married from 1991-1994.
@@Anabee399 It's a shame they didn't stay married. But in this business, its hard.
its a character matter...prince was a hard worker....if Andre had/has the guts to perform and produce on his name....the path is open ...opportunities is the key...Prince found that single hole in a very demanding and hard way... which was a small opportunity to convince Warner Bros... that "he is not only good...but the best out there ...and could do it fast and bring money" and then maximise it working to it.... Prince did it ...Andre was a part of it... MJ had his father and jackson 5 could do it with a back up help concrning managers/producers - Motown...Prince was alone, Andre was alone....Prince went to wolves to tell them ...look what i can do and i can do better which is very hard as he was nobody...You can be Einstein or Da vinci but you must sell and during your first steps you are going to fail...till you find how to bring success and be a name of respect...
Prince and Andre sound like James Brown and Bobby Byrd in terms of their relationships to each other.
Here's the reason:
Prince did all the work and didn't pay much. Prince was a shrewd businessman. He did the production and got all of the royalties. This is why Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis started producing outside of being in The Time. NO ONE WAS MAKING MONEY OTHER THAN PRINCE.
Almost but not quite.... He was Shrewd musician . Those THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN /SYMBOL/,SLAVE years he had to endure and spend getting back control of his music and Image was where he finally ended up getting his business lesson, like many before him .
@@arichmofo that's not the point. Warner Brothers went afoul with Prince because he didn't own his Masters. The situation with Andre Cymone had nothing to do with that. The issue with all of Prince personnel is that they were not getting any royalties. In essence, groups like The Time were just glorified Cover Bands. The actual recording was done by Prince as well as the Production itself. Prince owned everything about The Time under ©Controversy Music publishing. So Andre had no choice.
@@dannyclay1967 Andre started smoking crack and would loan his expensive cars to dope dealers. I saw it myself. That's real reason and Prince was a super clean water, no drugs etc.
SHEILA Miller umm, except for all the drugs that kilt him, meanwhile cymone is alive.
@@sheilamiller2818...nope!✌🏾
Love me some Andre Cymone!!! One of the songs he made was "Kelly's Eye", that my sister and I just loved!!!
My personal favorite of his, too!🥰🔥🔥
Makes me sad that childhood friends couldn’t work it out... there certainly was time to work that rivalry? out. Life is too short, love and forgiveness is what it’s all about ......💜💜💜
Agreed entirely
It's about conflict resolution. Both parties must understand the problem they have with each other and both parties must get their issue off their chest. Many people don't understand the meaning of friendship. Most people are not a man or woman of their word. People become friends with a person just to get something from you.
It's kinda scary that both of them thought alike...like they were twin brothers really.
Andre proved he was a great producer when he produced Jody Watley; could've been as successful as Jimmy Jam And Terry Lewis. He had the talent to do so.
THAT part. Because Jody's music was slammin.
@@datathug "Still a Thrill" off that album was slammin'! I would put that one against any funk tune out there. :)
Prince Friend ❤️LOVE❤️your channel and your passion for all things Prince
Thank you. You don’t know how much that means today. Having a hard day myself.
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Hope this helps..Also sending you a Spiritual hug ❤️Love❤️and Bright S🌞n Shinny Light🌼
I read one time that Andre did background vocals on "Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad" but wasn't credited
Twan112785 he cowrote
Wow!!!! Great video. Its amazing getting this secret information almost 40 years later.
The Dance Electric/Red Light -- I still listen.
Narcissism ruins friendships, to me ballads is what makes an musician great, andre's upbeat jams are as good prince's , ironic learning about this because prince surged ahead of him in that area(Slow jams), but still salute to Andre Cymone
I really love when you do these videos! I NEVER knew any of this, and im a pretty big Prince fan LOL!
PLEASE do more of these!
Much love ❤
Will do and thanks for watching!
This was great and you are on the money about Prince and Andre.👍🏽😊
It's very easy to spot the FANatics.....that's for sure. Fanatics think Prince can do NO WRONG and if anybody says anything to the contrary..... They're a "hater" LOL.. When in fact we love Prince too, however we don't wear purple blinders therefore we can see things as they really are. It's called REALITY
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THIS COMMENT!!!!
I think the part that bothers me. Andre's Mother/Father sheltered/fed/clothed/Loved Prince. It seems Prince's bio father didn't. Prince's bio father made quite a few kids and didn't do ANYTHING for them. By Andre's family Loving Prince...that took something away from Andre'. I don't know and don't pretend to know what took place or the dynamics. No doubt Prince had in rough in some respects...had it easy in many other respects. Prince didn't have to answer to anyone. The Anderson family wasn't his own, his father was indolent, his mother easily gave him away and cared for Omar and Tyka. Funny we don't here about Duane Joseph...?...Prince could do it his own way. It didn't hurt that Prince was damn cute ...light skin, glowing hazel eyes tiny in stature fragile looking. Couldn't help but feel sorry for him. But he knew how to use that to his advantage...On one hand...should've given more back to where he came from and to those who got him to where he is...on the other hand...would he have gotten to where he did if he didn't leave those who got him where he was behind....He got to the mountain-top and found he was alone..____life...---...___
@justmyself. Maybe Prince did give back to the people who helped him. Maybe we just don't know the details about it. He might have even helped Andre when he went out on his own for all we know. I wonder if Andre has said anything about it? Prince is known to have helped lots of people.
I respect your comment... I think Prince did give back. And i think there were other things that went into him either being alone or looking that way to the world. To no small degree imo, this is because Prince was an mbti entj. And thats all classic entj. That's a whole nother subject tho.
are you from the Northside ?
I totally agree. I believe it was all abt becoming rich n famous the early yrs. Of course, most of us become wiser our latter yrs. It was obvious Prince did change too. We all have our flaws n have 2 live n learn though. I really like ur last comment...."He got to the mountain-top and....". So sad.
Prince was always helping the Qualified Musicians and singers on his level. If in fact, Andre himself claimed that he was equal to Prince then he was clearly deluded in his mind.
No one from that Minneapolis camp even seems to come close to Prince's level of Talent so.!!! Andre has talent but so does a lot of other musicians. Even some seasoned Studio musicians had something to learn from this Genius. Prince was nearly unmatched. Also Andre Left on his own accord, not due to Prince. Jealousy is not out of this equation in my opinion.
Again they wanted the same thing and both had the opportunity for the same thing, Prince had bands Andre had bands, But Who do we still listen to. And The Dance Electric is the only song outside of Let's Work that we even think of Andre. And That was Prince. Sooooooo...........Um..........!
Good video my brotha and in Prince we trust
I hate that these types of things are in his record. He was a true gemini.
Thank U so much 4 this .. I heard so many versions and stories as to what happen to their friendship, so this what very enlightening. So sad, I wish they would have remained friends and continued to work 2gether. It's even so creepy how much alike they look.
Be sure to watch the second part in Andre’s own words
@@PrincesFriend Great, thank U so much :) .. Is it posted on here ?
Great job man! This was something I always wandered about; similar to Muzz Skillings leaving Living Colour and Dou Winbush coming in as his replacement. I wish I could have seen the Andre-Prince band. Did they play together on those early Controversy shows around 1981PF?
Prince did the same with Rosie Gains with Diamonds and Pearls. The man is a legend hands down but, he could be a real ass in the music business. Lol.
Well.. A few things I know differently.. 1) The photo at the 1:46 mark is right after 1999 & just pre-P.R. & that is Jesse J. Not Andre(admittedly a resemblance) 2) I don't think P.R.N. gave Andre that moniker he came up with it himself. 3) Dance Electric was on Andre's 3rd album "AC" 4) Thee biggest reason he left? $$!!! I'd read an alleged quote (years ago closer to 82-83) that Andre stated " Dude was like on his 3rd house & here I am still living in my mom's basement!" I think Andre speaks about Prince now with more decorum after his passing.. but his true feelings were revealed back then not too long after his departure.. thx!
It was Andres THIRD album that has The Dance Electric on it, not the 2nd. Also, Andre said in an interview that he grew tired of Prince getting all the financial accolades while he and the other band members struggled. That also contributed greatly to him leaving.
I would of walked too.... real friends don’t do that. I am a Prince fan. Bu now I will check out Andre, his time to shine. I hope it works out for him.
At 60, he's had plenty of time to shine. Prince's music has been a real friend to me through the years.
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Nope you did a good job explaning the
rift. Prince was a Gemini and they are
notorious for changing up things in a heart beat.
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Thank you. Nice delivery!!I'm still having difficulty dealing w Prince's death but I appreciate your informative professionality; such a nice style.
STRAIGHT out of the horses mouth. in an interview way back in the 80s, Andre said he was only doing Prince a favor until he found another bass player. He always wanted to do his own thing from the beginning.
Prince was not the reason why Andre didn't blow up. Prince gave Andre his only top 10 hit....Dance ELECTRIC
I can't name the samples for you but some of the artist copied were : the Mamas &the Papas,, Gary Newman, Sly & the family stone, etc.. Go back to the 60"s era and you'll discover the liken ess Prince added into. His songs. We just didn't say "sample"--it was a familiarity .
That was, and still is, a JAM! Still rock it today.
Luved this, thanx PF💜
Excellent video. I hope you do one in the future about Prince and Sandra St. Victor, where they had a writing arrangement and some of the songs ended up on Emancipation, but Sandra threatened to sue Prince because he didn't give her and her writing partner(Thomas Hammer) credit on the album(although they're on the credits now for the reissues from Sony).
MrSuperjam789 which cuts?(did they write?)
Thanks 4 bring this story to life! :-)
I don't know that any childhood friendship could have survived the kind of explosive success that Prince experienced. Still something tells me Prince was being a royal scepter here.
It is hard when there is two exceptional musicians. Side by side they actually made each other better by trying to out due each other. Competition makes a person better than they already are. Especially when you have the drive they both had. They were more like siblings. Siblings can do and say anything they want to each other. It's to bad they couldn't work it out. Another great video. Thank you.
Maybe if they all got signed as a band, things would have worked out. I think Andre could accept that. Instead, Prince got a contract and Andre was hired to back up Prince. This is not the career Andre envisioned for himself and it is said that the understanding was that Andre would leave later on and do his own thing.
Man that was deep. I'm sorry that they lost they're friendship behind that. It also shows that in order to make it to the top you got to be a little cut throat. He's still was one of the baddest artists on the planet but damn Prince.
Didn't Andre mess around with Vanity before he hooked up with Jody...I recall them dating around the Dance Electric days
Damn Andre a savage for that
Just for clarity, "The Dance Electric" was on Andre's third album not the second...
Great video!!!! A lot of insight
“Who’s gonna believe you” 😭👏🏾
To his credit, Andre birthed a great sound for Jody Watley, which earned her a Grammy.
Andre is really great, both as a producer and a musician definitely.
Hasta la vista, baby!
Did Andre come up with the bass line to ‘Lets work’?
Not sure. I guess anything is possible
@@PrincesFriend It's true. It was originally called, "Let's Rock." He spoke about It In a podcast. Controversy(the bass line) was his song as well.
Yep he did
No one knows for sure it's all speculation. Just because andre said he did doesn't mean it's true.
Andre’s own words: We were rehearsing to do our tour. Some of the band members loved the groove I was jamming on. Prince came in and he jumped in the jam. He recorded it and came back the next day with lyrics and it was the song “Controversy” Prince used a groove or a riff or a bassline and turned it into a song,
There is an actual podcast with Andre Cymone talking about his career. He said that they were still friends. And I thought it was Let’s Work bass line was Andre’s.
Sorry I didn't mean to link any links to my personal music on your page in the commentary. One of your subscribers requested. I'am a Prince Friend as well. I see a lot of your videos and comment always fairly and appropriately. Prince's music along with other artists influenced my trajectory. A lot of the information you share about Prince I knew already. Anytime you are ready to endorse people who has been influenced by Prince on one of your reviews..we can talk. I wish you all the best and thanks for keeping Prince's work and his legacy alive. What you are doing is awesome.
No problem. I usually remove straight up links, but if people ask for it - give them what they want right? Thanks for watching and have a great one!
@@PrincesFriend Someone did ask me yesterday in your commentary. I did ,but it was removed I think.. I actually wanted you to view it as well. If you have a Facebook Page. I can do that. Because, I have a business page as well. Your reviews on Michael's work and Madonna was also awesome. By the way I live in Europe as an American Citizen. I've seen Prince several times live over here. Guess what I've seen. The Sign O the Times Concert Live back in 1987. So I listened very carefully to your review on the movie. It was very accurate. Anyway, we definitely going to keep in touch. May you live to see the dawn... Blessings.
It may have been caught in the spam filter. I’ll go check it out. I appreciate the kind words, for sure. There’s a FB page, in addition to Twitter and Instagram for the channel definitely.
Just checked the spam filter and there's nothing there, but I specifically didn't delete your posts. Checking further, your links and comments are there and visible, so I'm not sure why you were having problems seeing them. Cheers though! Keep on keeping on!
Would've been nice to see them blossom together... They could've been funk's Jagger and Richards or Lennon and McCartney!
Such a shame that those two great musicians parted ways but it led to their success. Prince became a star and so did Andre in a way. He became more than Prince's ex bass player when he was doing his own stuff.
That’s definitely true. Great comment!
1969 is indeed a great album. Very well produced.
Got the CD, too it is very blazing
Good research, it's similar Marley, Tosh and Bunny in the Wailers.
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Andre, said in one of his interviews, once Prince🎸 made it,he would go on his way !!! His word's!!!! Andre💜
Great stuff. Another 'thing' I've always been curious about is if there was any real animosity behind Jesse Johnsons recording of Do Yourself A Favor. Do you discuss this in any of your videos perhaps?
I don’t think I have. Jesse would require a whole other video
@@PrincesFriend I'm a very patient man
Ask and you shall receive... eventually lol
The baseline from Do Me Baby was really from an Eddie Hazel song. I forgot the name of the song tho. It’s here on youtube
It also sounds very much like Aretha Franklin's "Angel", a song released in 1973. Someone on here said this was settled out of court. Maybe Prince or Andre came up with it and didn't realize it was someone else's music already recorded.
Baby, Prince was a star indeed, but he was also a master of his craft, a true artist and innovator; he also worked his ass off. It is too bad Andre stopped listening to Prince’s music… he missed out.
do you really think he stop listening to prince's music?
Yep !! ..... Andre was that dude in the 80’s up in the club, on the dance floor with both fingers in his ears and shouting .... “ LA-LA-LA-LA !! “ whenever a Prince song came on ...:-)
@@arichmofo Sure and when he got home, he threw on *Purple Rain* and said to himself *"DAMN I SHOULD HAVE NEVER LEFT PRINCE, NOW I HAVE TO BEG HIM FOR A HIT RECORD"* LOL You could not escape Purple Rain, and if that wasnt enough, there was *ATWIAD Parade Batman Lovesexy Sign Of the Times* and you honestly think he turned off the music when prince songs came on? he went out and purchased every prince album when they were released LMAO
There isn't much Prince music after Dirty Mind worth listening to anyway. Of course Purple Rain is classic but after that it's all downhill. I dig what he did with his off shoot artists, Sheila E, Jill Jones, Mazarati, but wasn't feeling the albums under his name.
@@blahblah606 You lying
To my knowledge he left because he wanted his own band from the start but decided to support Prince until he was ready to leave. He never intended to be with Prince forever.
Actually it was for Cymone's third album that Bernadette Anderson asked Prince to contribute.
I think you may have forgotten that Prince neglected to give Cymone any print credit on his albums even though Cymone contributed. There's an interview where Prince says that there was a typo and Cymone's name was omitted (by accident?). I think this was the first album.
If you listen to the track " Just As Long As We're Together" even though this was noted as being recorded exclusively by Prince, you can clearly hear Cymone's voice. Just as you can when Cymone sings the closing part of Uptown.
Pause u telling me Prince didn't write UPTOWN
@@dr.kingmessanger1196 My reference to credit is not exclusive to composing/writing it is also use of and display of talent. If I played drums on a song then my name should appear in the credits of the liner notes.
Yeah it's kinda SAD, friends where Prince was able to stay at his home and all and now the Big Split, all I can say is that it's just Sad.
Good video. Two young guys starting out as equals eager to make it big in the music industry. Each one going for it. It must have hurt when Prince took the lead and maybe some envy/jealousy involved. Prince was driven and wanted total control. Seems like he could be a little s**t at times to people as he was on his quest as a musical genius but we still love him. 💜💜 Can we hear about Morris and Dez?
Did a Dez video already, do check that out. Morris requires a bit more research. :)
Thank you 4 posting.
"Welcome 2 The Dawn''
I also heard that Andre played bass on some earlier Prince cuts from For You and Prince but wasn't credited. And regarding Do Me Baby, whoever came up with the bassline took it and the chords from this Eddie Hazel cut.
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Ya know, I've never even realized that, but hmmm...
Thanks for the link. I never knew of Eddie Hazel or Maggot Brain. I do now. Cool stuff. Thanks!
avace917 Wow! That’s an eye opener! And I recall reading or hearing somewhere that you can legally use 8 bars of any song without any repercussions, so the part that sounds similar on #DoMeBaby seems to be within those boundaries. Thanks for the link, I don’t think I’ve heard that artist before. 🤗💯
He was a P funk artist.
avace917 yes! Thanks for enlightening me, I'm gonna listen to more of him, thanks to you!🤗💯
So Andre wrote only bass line to Do me, baby and the rest (instrumentations, vocal arrangement, lyrics) Prince did?
Its always been the revolution listen on partyUp...the whole band and prince said revolution baby rock&roll going uptown baby i dont wanna die i just wanna have funky good time
Good info but wouldn’t it have been better to just let Cymone speak for himself? He is still here you know.
😥 So sad 2 very talented brothers that were literally brothers
Don't forget to check out the second part with info i got directly from Andre's people! Cheers!
@@PrincesFriend thanks you are a wealth of "Princeology"
Thanks so much! #studentofprince
Why did Prince's dad kick him out of his house? That's so depressing....
Good job! This was well balanced 👍✊
Thanks much. 🙏
Awe, ur welcome! Thank youuuuu!!🙏😗😎
This is a good video although I do think several things aren’t mentioned that should be. The first being that, from the jump, Prince was always the star. When Prince was signed to WB as a solo artist and Andre agreed to join his band, I don’t think Andre realized that he was going to be playing second fiddle to Prince in those situations. But that’s exactly what happened. Prince was never signed as a band; Prince and Andre were never signed as a duo; PRINCE was signed. As for the music, Andre admitted that the two of them routinely borrowed from one another because they were close, so it sounds like it wasn’t one-sided. It’s funny tho that Andre won’t admit which songs contain aspects that he stole from Prince. In addition, musically, “Do Me, Baby” shares A LOT in common with an Eddie Hazel song, and Andre even admitted begrudgingly in another interview that Prince changed the lyrics, only keeping one or two lines from Andre’s original, which oddly enough we still have never heard lol. But I think the biggest reason Andre left was that he wanted a career of his own. I don’t agree that they were all equally talented. I definitely think Prince was the bigger talent and he had a bigger drive to succeed than the others. I remember stories from their shows where they talk about Prince walking around the stage, telling them all what he wanted them to play and any adjustments he wanted them to make. Plus, Prince was a far better songwriter. Moreover, look at how each of their solo “careers” developed compared to Prince’s and then ask yourself whether or not they’re equally talented lol
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Andre still alive I thought this was going to be an interview of his reasons why and it's a shame that Prince and Andre became Rivals because had things gone differently maybe they would have been the next Lennon and McCartney and Looking Back Now Andres early albums were really Prince music because now when you listen to Andre today you hear a distinctly different sound.
Will there be a special Christmas Prince episode this year ?? I'm compiling a list of songs for the numerous parties I'm going to next month.💙 Very insightful as always P.F.
Wasn’t planning a Christmas special, no. But I hope you have fun at your parties. :)
@@PrincesFriend I'm having difficulty finding a Christmas Prince song? Did he actually ever write one? Help.
I don’t think so
@@PrincesFriend Thanks.😁
I’m not of the opinion that having the word Christmas in the title makes it a Christmas song, since it’s not actually about Christmas.
Andre Cymone and Prince,,were both on the same level of hardcore funk with an mix of nu wave and punk music, in my opinion going left field two like that can throwdown is hard to be in an band, knew about the shade between Prince and Andre, there was something said that Andre discovered The Time, that Prince took over the band, there was Alexander O Neal /who was the first lead singer for the Time, then something went down between Prince and Alexander; Morris Day became lead singer Andre was there when all this went down, along with the bass lines said stolen, Prince and Andre were like brothers and brothers always in time come back together have all the Andre cds and the Girls CD he produced in 1984, both had an different sound u can tell when Andre was throwing down the bass was heavy, also the nu wave and punk genre is mixed with hardcore funk the same thing happened to the Isleys Brothers the younger brothers wanted to go solo with hardcore funk mixed with heavy metal the older set wanted to do just mellow slow cuts then in 1984 it happened, Isley Jasper Isley was Ernie, Marvin, Chris/the older set was Isleys Brothers led by Ronald; later on there were various groups of Isleys they had come back together as brothers Marvin and O Kelly have passed R. I. P.,, the Music business is hard as hell to survive in I believe Andre Cymone always felt Prince as his brother and Prince did the same thing it is about time that Andre is getting props now for Andre is the other half creator of the MPLS sound We lost Prince,s but we shall have Andre that is so very close to Prince as both are brothers, like the vid the Dawn is here, welcome to the Dawn, ps there is an rumor that Rick James stolen Prince,s keyboard on that tour in 1980, in getting back at Rick James, Prince took Vanity from Rick James and produced Vanity 6
Yes you can actually hear the synths he stole on street songs!
Vanity never knew Rick James. She met Prince and Rick James at the AMA in1980, both stated that she was their wife. They met once again when she was seeing Adam Ant. Later, when she became a christian, someone asked her about Rick James .She stated "don't believe everything you hear".
@@reddylizzie , yes it is wild how this shade between Rick James and Prince is told in different ways, but what is known is the synth Rick James took from Prince that made Prince mad as hell with Rick James, remember the James Brown concert in 1990 before Rick got locked up, he did not want to be on stage with Prince and James Brown and Michael Jackson,, I like both Rick James and Prince there was some good music in that period from this battle, u have the time right 1980, an lot of rumors stories about that day, like your reply
They weren't equal. Prince had the talent & drive. Andre was ok. Do Me Baby is one of my favorite songs. I'm sure there was "sibling" rivalry w/them being so close. After hearing Prince perform The Dance Electric Live (not being mean, just an observation/my opinion), Prince still did it better (maybe because he wrote it) or just because he's Prince. There's only ONE!
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If you really listen to do me its very close to LtD love ballad just reaaranged im just saying.
You don't know what you're talking about I'm Dre producer tons and tons of hits for Johnny Gill and Jody Whatley in terms of others
@ L G Right,,, True 2 this!!!! this is a very touchy & sticky issue... you have some with the drive, some with obsession, some with hope or dreams, some with AMBITIONS!!, etc... etc.. u know what i'm saying, & all of these inner feelings can, & no matter what, interfere with any relations, if there's no communication of the minds... i've experienced it myself as well... sometimes giving the stage light to someone who may be able to perform it better might work out for all... not trying to be a male chauvinist, but how many times has a young lady picked out a dress she liked, but other preferred the way it looked on someone else much better!!?!? Sometimes being in the backstage is not so bad!!! Root the on!! if you're really good friends!!!!
@@starrcompany3275 it's also not what they did,,,, but how they did it!! sometimes the obvious needs to be edified!! If i'm 6'9'' & my Basketball partner is 5'6", am i gonna bring the ball up court, & pass it forward to him expecting him to DUNK IT?!?! uh,, i don't really think so!!! positioning can easily be worked out with communications!!!
@@Einnor084 We're talking about music & success. They were 2 very different people. Maybe Andre is comforted by what he Does have.
Good video I don't know how much is accurate but the song The Dance Electric was on Andre's 3rd album not the second one. That's the only error I know of here. Would love to hear some sound bites to authenticate some of this.
You can check out my follow up video as well
It reminds me of the McCartney-Lennon era where things took for the worst even though together they were awesome
I think it was better for Andre to leave rather than continue to work as a back up musician for Prince because it was leading to rivalry and a further fraying of their friendship. Andre undoubtedly had bigger dreams and goals. Since he was not under the record contract, he had limited say in creative input and did not accrue many financial benefits. Prince was only obligated to pay him scale, and Andre was not entitled to royalties unless he got credit so Andre was not able to make the living he envisioned for himself working under Prince. So I think Andre knew it was better for him to strike out on his own. I think Andre did create part of the music for Do Me and maybe some other material and maybe he did not get the credit he deserved or would have gotten had he been an equal band member. I don't think Prince was even legally obligated to give him credit. Lawyers have warned hired musicians to be careful about playing anything that they are not instructed to play because any creative contribution they make may become the legal property of their employer. I think Andre was hurt by the fact that Prince got all the credit for Do Me, but I think Andre was planning to leave the group anyway as that was agreement from the beginning.
Great video but didn't Prince write Kellys eyes in 82 for Andre before the Dance Electric in 86?
I know this is off topic, but I like their outfits at :40.
I really Love Both of them some time it's hard to blame one or the other both talented in there or right
Agreed there. I don’t think either is really to blame, just going on different paths
Anyone who believes the dynamics of this group would have resonated with fans with ANYONE other than Prince Rogers Nelson at the forefront is sadly delusional. Andre's lack of critical fame on his own is proof positive that he simply didn't have "IT". And as you pointed out, his only real claim to fame game from a song Prince gave him. I did enjoy Andre and his music, Kelly's Eyes was another favorite of mine.
@@Einnor084 No matter what category you compare, Andre will come up 2nd. And you have no idea what I've done in my life. You want to voice your opinion, fine no problem. But it's people like you who have to try to make things personal that make having a pleasant discussion about things almost impossible.
@@Einnor084 you're going to be alright dude.
@@Einnor084 kewl. Good bye
@@Einnor084 asshole. Let it go
Andre was supposed to produce The Time.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Prince did swipe Andre’s bass line, considering how he treated, “The Time,” when they toured together!! Things like making them play as a backup band for, “Vanity 6,” but didn’t want the audience to see them play!! So he made them play behind a purple curtain!! He and some of his band members grabbed Jesse Johnson as they were about to go on stage and handcuffed him to a pipe backstage!!! And he’d drop them from the tour without warning, because they were starting to steal his thunder!! It wasn’t anything nice!! He even actually admitted that “The Time” was the only band that he was afraid of!! You can find the video in RUclips all about it. But, Prince was still the man!!! Quirky as hell!! But still the man!!!
Prince was a pretty fine bassist; he wrote almost all of the Time's music on bass. In one of Morris Hayes' interviews, he called Prince a bass legend. The joke gone bad with Jesse was not one of P's finer moments.
Andre said last year that just like Dez it was always his intention to "do his own thing". He said he was with Prince to get everything kicked-off, but he and Prince knew that he would leave to do his own thing at some point. I recently read an article on Vanity that said Andre took Vanity to a club in L.A. in an attempt to steal her away from Prince and that was the final straw for Prince. The article implied that Prince fired Andre, but everything I have ever heard said Andre quit so the article may have misquoted or drew the wrong conclusions.Andre made it seem like all was forgiven at some point, but they definitely would never work together even if Prince had lived.
Good post.