I can’t believe there’s someone more devoted to Edelgard than Hubert. Monica’s loyalty to Edelgard probably even surpasses Tharja’s dedication to Robin
Edelgard: Yeah so...I was gonna sacrifice yo- Monica: OMG EDELGARD OUT OF EVERYONE HERE YOU WANTED TO HAVE ME SLAIN UWU THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS HONOR UWU ME, A LOWLY BARON UWU HOLD ME UWU I LUV YOU UWU I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT YOU UWU!!! Edelgard: ...Right.
Reminds me of Cyril and Catherine's simping for Rhea. Cyril is kind of understandable given he was saved as a child but Catherine and Monica annoy me to no end. It would be different if any of their supports helped them to grow out of that mindset but they don't. At least Cyril moves forward with his partner in most of his endings.
@@Ergeniz Uhm Rhea saved Catherine as well? She mentioned in her support that Rhea treated her injuries after she was heavily wounded in a mission. Seteth even scolds her for being reckless and being undyingly loyal.
Edelguard in the A support: "Oh come now, I have always cared for your wellbeing" Edelguard in the B support: "I was 100% okay with you being killed, and I only saved you because my plans suddenly changed at the last minute"
I just saw that and I was so frickin piss, not at edelgard but at monica, like are you f*ckin serious? The woman literally said, she'd abandon you if her plans didn't change and you're like 100% okay with that? Christ this is like the mother of all Simping. If the B support was like "okay i need to process that" And the A was like "okay you did that but I forgive you and will still be loyal to you" I would've been fine but to literally be fine with someone knowing the fact that you will die and her being completely okay with that is just.... Bruh.
These aren't mutually exclusive. She always cared, and while she accepted Monica as a sacrifice for her ambition, it doesn't mean it didn't hurt her utterly to do so. Saving Monica was both a strategic move and driven by emotion. These two motivations don't cancel, they coexist.
@50% Cat 50% Girl Yes, she was willing to let her die, but that doesn't mean she didn't care for her. But with her position as it was she couldn't openly oppose TWSitD without incurring their wrath. The unique situation with Shez killing Kostas and his bandits changing hoe the mission could be handled allowed Edelgard to send Jeritza and his class to save Monica. The second she could do so she did, even when the plan was half formed. She wants Monica to be upset with her because she feels bad that she was willing to sacrifice Monica. It never meant that she didn't care about her. Monica was never a tool she would casually use and toss at her convenience, none of her allies are. She was an unfortunate loss that in 3H had no opportunity to be averted.
@@moilevin7088 Your point is terrible. Monica is loyal, she just loves Edelgard a lot after being saved by her. But she never really breaks any boundaries in terms of physical contact or anything like that. We see her function just fine outside of Edie. There is no reason for restraining orders, they don't exist in medieval times, fool.
Now we know that the true reason people found Monica’s behavior weird in 3 Houses when Kronya replaced her is due to her no longer fangirling over Edelgard every time she breathes lmao It’s a bit of a shame that the new playable BE character just ended up as Cyril 2.0 but with Edelgard, but at least Monica is dorky and entertaining enough that it doesn’t wear out its welcome like it did for me with Cyril. That and I also found her to basically be a female foil to Hubert, who is also clearly obsessed with Edelgard but is much less outward about it than Monica is due to keeping his true feelings guarded a majority of the time. Whereas Monica is (for better or for worse) literally an open book.
It also helps that if you were to describe Monica without bringing up Edelgard, you totally could since there are other aspects to Monica such as her serving as essentially the team logistician/analyst and fangirling over Dorothea, plus not being as cold blooded as Hubert. Whereas with someone like Faye from Echoes, despite not playing that game, my understanding is that you can't do the same with her.
Hubert is an actual character though. He is pragmatic, has trust issues, isn't afraid of going against Edelgard's wishes (both openly and secretly) and as we learn in Hopes, he doesn't want to put his family in danger so he shuts up about it. Monica is just lgbt pandering, which is dissapointing since she is one of the game's biggest selling points
@@maverick5169 Monica might be less fleshed out than Hubert (mostly on account of being introduced in this game, having much less supports and not having a whole game’s worth of development), but I’d argue that she has an actual character too. She’s extroverted and playful to mirror Hubert’s more introverted and subdued personality, as well as having a photographic memory, is studious and analytical as she’s basically the Black Eagles’s tactician, doesn’t want to see those she cares about besides Edelgard get hurt as revealed in her supports with Dorothea, and being self-sacrificing and devoted enough that she straight-up tells Edelgard that she would’ve been fine with being sacrificed if her original plan went awry. Which’s exactly what happens in Three Houses. Calling her LGBT pandering is also a bit of a stretch since she just happens to be obsessed with a character who is a woman, since you could change Edelgard’s gender and still have her character remain the same.
Theory Timeline At some point, Monica is included in some sort of danger that affects a wide amount of Empire citizens. Edelgard solves the problem, and a young Monica, already engrained in the concept of serving the crown loyally, begins to fall in love with and/or see Edelgard as everything a princess should be. It remains at a healthy state up until she is kidnapped and rescued. With Edelgard herself deployed as a unit and therefore one of the leaders of the rescue, her admiration begins to rapidly grow into some kind of obsession. It doesn’t help that Hubert is already Edelgard’s right hand man, keeping Monica from feeling truly fufilled and her debt repaid.
Faye is still more obsessed. At least Monica looks up to Dorothea and respects some others. Faye treated Silque like trash until Alm rejected Faye. Faye spent her childhood talking about Alm's marriage too.
@@nuibaba280 It's at least implied she had a bond with Mycen, since she mentions him in her win quote "I was taught by the best" and has a support bonus with him. Still, I wish they'd done something more interesting with her character, cuz I love her design.
@@Liezuli At least it’s more depth than Selfina’s trio of cavalry from Thracia. Also, Thracia has great battle music, way better than the lame map and battle theme variations introduced in Awakening.
Ikr? And if you think that’s weird what about her A support with Edelgard? She legit counts the number of times she worries about her and has tea with her? At this point I think I prefer Kronya’s imitation of Monica over the real one.
@@plinfan6541 that’s more because everyone was bi and the available player x character romance supports didn’t change based off gender 😔 it’s a start but I promise you won’t ever see a lesbian or gay man in Fire Emblem without them becoming a harmful obsessive troupe
To be fair it fits a lot to simp Edelgard no matter what would be an outcome for her live. She is literally pulling Uno reverse card on her cause Edelgard is doing the same in 3Houses for Byleth being ready for any outcome no matter will she save her or not.
@@nuibaba280 It's true that she is very sweet, yes. However she reminds me of what they did to Astrid in Radiant Dawn. I'd describe that as blind loyalty that borders on idiocy. Especially that line where she says 'I'd have been OK if you left me for dead if the results helped you achieve your goals.' Which doesn't happen in the original Three Houses. Kronya gets killed off immediately after she's properly introduced, and Byleth breaks out of Zaharas immediately too. Also, Jeralt dying doesn't really help or hurt Edelgard because he dies before the war even if you would want to side with her. That's a punch-to-the-gut line if I've ever seen one. I don't mind if she's an Edelgard fangirl, but do more with her character. You know there's a problem when some of the other comments effectively say she was better off dead. This is not how you write for a character that was both un-save-able and killed off before the events of the first game. They could have torn us up about not being able to save her in Three Houses, and instead we have reactions like, "Kronya was the unsung hero of Three Houses." She should have at least double the Supports she currently has, and the rest of them should be less Edelgard-centric like Dorothea's to properly explore other aspects of her character.
@@ultimateshadow7522 Monica only brings that up because Edelgard still feels bad though. I just think of it as coping logic since Monica said herself that she didn't fall in love with Edelgard *until* she saved her. Some other comments are just salty about her and don't like the character archetype. Monica has traits outside of "fangirl". But Monica isn't better off dead, that's an objective fact. Why? Because nobody gave a shit who she was. If she was better off dead, she wouldn't have nonexistent fanart and fans before Hopes. And this is coming from someone who liked Monica before Three Hopes ever existed.
I really wish they would stop with the characters that are obsessed with someone else. Hubert at least has a reason and is more then just an Edelgard fanatic.
@@nuibaba280 Monica is just a fan tho. She’s grateful. She has no actually duty to serve Edelgard outside of being from the empire. Hubert is literally Edelgard’s servant and it’s his job to obsess over her where as Monica just wants to be her servant.
She's really the boot licking type to Edelgard, but obviously we have Hubert at it too, I can see that Edelgard might see her as just annoying, to the point she's invasive towards Edelgard, probably thraumatised when she was a prisonner and presumed MIA, she really needs a psychologist after being rescued by Edelgard and her army, she was never part of the battle she was when being rescued, she only got lucky to be there when Edelgard showed up when she needed.... But she'd make a great paparazzi, Monica wouldn't make military material however, at best working in Edelgard's propaganda department... What's she gonna do next to talk about Edelgard ?? Follow her all the way to the toilet ?? But yeah, she might want to go this far...
Why do they keep writing characters like this? She doesn't have the Saturday morning cartoon villain vibes Hubert gives off which can make him entertaining at times. And I wasn't a huge fan of him either. (though he is better in this game.) Hell Faye did more with her character and she only got two rather short supports.
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She needs way more supports, like her's with Dorothea, to define her character beyond her simp side.
IS: im going to do what's called a pro gamer move
*makes Monica a simp for everyone she share support with*
I agree I feel like she's an after thought, the missing Black Eagle member only to find out she's an Edelgard simp. 🙃
Monica take the diehard Edelgard simping to the next level
The least down bad Edelgard fan
I can’t believe there’s someone more devoted to Edelgard than Hubert. Monica’s loyalty to Edelgard probably even surpasses Tharja’s dedication to Robin
Would Monica poison some of Edelgards food with some sleeping stuff, to have her way with her majesty? There is still a line between those two ^^"
Community: Calls Hubert an Edelgard simp.
Monica when 3 Hopes was released: "And I took that personality."
For Lady Edelgard!
Edelgard: Yeah so...I was gonna sacrifice yo-
Monica: OMG EDELGARD OUT OF EVERYONE HERE YOU WANTED TO HAVE ME SLAIN UWU THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS HONOR UWU ME, A LOWLY BARON UWU HOLD ME UWU I LUV YOU UWU I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT YOU UWU!!!
Edelgard: ...Right.
Reminds me of Cyril and Catherine's simping for Rhea. Cyril is kind of understandable given he was saved as a child but Catherine and Monica annoy me to no end. It would be different if any of their supports helped them to grow out of that mindset but they don't. At least Cyril moves forward with his partner in most of his endings.
@@Ergeniz For Monica, Edelgard rescued/saved her from TWSITD.
@@teruboodoodoll I know what happened in the plot of Three Hopes, thanks.
@@Ergeniz Ok.
@@Ergeniz Uhm Rhea saved Catherine as well? She mentioned in her support that Rhea treated her injuries after she was heavily wounded in a mission. Seteth even scolds her for being reckless and being undyingly loyal.
Edelguard in the A support:
"Oh come now, I have always cared for your wellbeing"
Edelguard in the B support:
"I was 100% okay with you being killed, and I only saved you because my plans suddenly changed at the last minute"
I just saw that and I was so frickin piss, not at edelgard but at monica, like are you f*ckin serious? The woman literally said, she'd abandon you if her plans didn't change and you're like 100% okay with that? Christ this is like the mother of all Simping. If the B support was like "okay i need to process that" And the A was like "okay you did that but I forgive you and will still be loyal to you" I would've been fine but to literally be fine with someone knowing the fact that you will die and her being completely okay with that is just.... Bruh.
These aren't mutually exclusive. She always cared, and while she accepted Monica as a sacrifice for her ambition, it doesn't mean it didn't hurt her utterly to do so. Saving Monica was both a strategic move and driven by emotion. These two motivations don't cancel, they coexist.
@50% Cat 50% Girl Yes, she was willing to let her die, but that doesn't mean she didn't care for her. But with her position as it was she couldn't openly oppose TWSitD without incurring their wrath. The unique situation with Shez killing Kostas and his bandits changing hoe the mission could be handled allowed Edelgard to send Jeritza and his class to save Monica. The second she could do so she did, even when the plan was half formed.
She wants Monica to be upset with her because she feels bad that she was willing to sacrifice Monica. It never meant that she didn't care about her. Monica was never a tool she would casually use and toss at her convenience, none of her allies are. She was an unfortunate loss that in 3H had no opportunity to be averted.
A bit sad she hasn't a support with Constance, but I like her
So this is what the real Monica is like. Very Sweet!
I disagree. The fangirling is so overwhelming it doesn't leave any other hint of a character to explore. Very disappointing.
@@Ergeniz Doesn't change the fact that she's cute with a great design. She's a complete and utter dork and has some traits outside of simping.
Monica: *long breath*
Monica: YOUR MAJESTYYYYYYYYYYY!!!
5:18 Monica: “Your Majesty, I WANT YOU TO TAKE ME OUTSIDE AND- -(The following words cannot be shown due to FCC and Nintendo regulations.)
0:00 Edelgard
6:48 Hubert
10:50 Dorothea
18:24 Shez
Edelgard get a restraining order.
Edelgard willingly trusts her and recruited her so why should she?
@@nuibaba280 My point exactly. She not just loyal she obsess with her and she giving me yandare vibes.
@@moilevin7088 Hubert has entered the chat
@@Ergeniz Hubert convince Edelgard to get a restraining order on Monica.
@@moilevin7088 Your point is terrible. Monica is loyal, she just loves Edelgard a lot after being saved by her. But she never really breaks any boundaries in terms of physical contact or anything like that. We see her function just fine outside of Edie. There is no reason for restraining orders, they don't exist in medieval times, fool.
Now we know that the true reason people found Monica’s behavior weird in 3 Houses when Kronya replaced her is due to her no longer fangirling over Edelgard every time she breathes lmao
It’s a bit of a shame that the new playable BE character just ended up as Cyril 2.0 but with Edelgard, but at least Monica is dorky and entertaining enough that it doesn’t wear out its welcome like it did for me with Cyril. That and I also found her to basically be a female foil to Hubert, who is also clearly obsessed with Edelgard but is much less outward about it than Monica is due to keeping his true feelings guarded a majority of the time. Whereas Monica is (for better or for worse) literally an open book.
It also helps that if you were to describe Monica without bringing up Edelgard, you totally could since there are other aspects to Monica such as her serving as essentially the team logistician/analyst and fangirling over Dorothea, plus not being as cold blooded as Hubert. Whereas with someone like Faye from Echoes, despite not playing that game, my understanding is that you can't do the same with her.
Hubert is an actual character though. He is pragmatic, has trust issues, isn't afraid of going against Edelgard's wishes (both openly and secretly) and as we learn in Hopes, he doesn't want to put his family in danger so he shuts up about it.
Monica is just lgbt pandering, which is dissapointing since she is one of the game's biggest selling points
@@maverick5169 Monica might be less fleshed out than Hubert (mostly on account of being introduced in this game, having much less supports and not having a whole game’s worth of development), but I’d argue that she has an actual character too. She’s extroverted and playful to mirror Hubert’s more introverted and subdued personality, as well as having a photographic memory, is studious and analytical as she’s basically the Black Eagles’s tactician, doesn’t want to see those she cares about besides Edelgard get hurt as revealed in her supports with Dorothea, and being self-sacrificing and devoted enough that she straight-up tells Edelgard that she would’ve been fine with being sacrificed if her original plan went awry. Which’s exactly what happens in Three Houses.
Calling her LGBT pandering is also a bit of a stretch since she just happens to be obsessed with a character who is a woman, since you could change Edelgard’s gender and still have her character remain the same.
Theory Timeline
At some point, Monica is included in some sort of danger that affects a wide amount of Empire citizens. Edelgard solves the problem, and a young Monica, already engrained in the concept of serving the crown loyally, begins to fall in love with and/or see Edelgard as everything a princess should be. It remains at a healthy state up until she is kidnapped and rescued. With Edelgard herself deployed as a unit and therefore one of the leaders of the rescue, her admiration begins to rapidly grow into some kind of obsession. It doesn’t help that Hubert is already Edelgard’s right hand man, keeping Monica from feeling truly fufilled and her debt repaid.
Isn't Monica more-or-less the same in the other two routes, though?
Oh, yay, my favorite character archetype…
Bruh, what's going on in that pfp?
And i thought Faye from echoes was obsessed. . .
Faye is still more obsessed. At least Monica looks up to Dorothea and respects some others. Faye treated Silque like trash until Alm rejected Faye. Faye spent her childhood talking about Alm's marriage too.
@@nuibaba280 It's at least implied she had a bond with Mycen, since she mentions him in her win quote "I was taught by the best" and has a support bonus with him.
Still, I wish they'd done something more interesting with her character, cuz I love her design.
@@Liezuli At least it’s more depth than Selfina’s trio of cavalry from Thracia.
Also, Thracia has great battle music, way better than the lame map and battle theme variations introduced in Awakening.
Monica is a better written lesbian Faye
shes so pretty i wish she actually had a character lmaoo
1:22 Talk about knocking on wood.
Monica has too few supports, shame.
Edelgard: "Greetings, my name is Edelgard von Hresvelg, and this is my pet simp Monica. Please be gentle with her, she lacks self preservation."
Hubert wasn't enough they needed to go farther
The first Edelgard/Monica support is... ugh. Wow. Friggin WEIRD.
Ikr? And if you think that’s weird what about her A support with Edelgard? She legit counts the number of times she worries about her and has tea with her? At this point I think I prefer Kronya’s imitation of Monica over the real one.
@@jjjwhovian 99% of her brain is just pure, undiluted Lesbian horniness for Edelgard.
FE has a history of fetishizing lesbians tbh, like with soleil from fates... if a girl’s in love with another girl she HAS to be obsessed over them 🙄
@@poppy5298 Well, Three houses was better in that regard. Which is why it is wierd we went back.
@@plinfan6541 that’s more because everyone was bi and the available player x character romance supports didn’t change based off gender 😔 it’s a start but I promise you won’t ever see a lesbian or gay man in Fire Emblem without them becoming a harmful obsessive troupe
3H Faye
Faye but good.
Kronya was the unsung hero of Three Houses
She killed Jeralt, so no she wasn’t.
Kronya was cringe, not at all.
*What the literal fuck are you on*
She didn't have to try too hard to impersonate this simp😝
@@lightningmaster3383 ehy, someone had to kill the FE dad
How many of you were expecting Monica to actually be Kronya in disguise?
i used to hate monica in three houses but three hopes changed my mind about her
Spoiler
Well three houses monica isnt monica :p
@@wavestrider2160 SPOILER
the one in three houses isn’t actually Monica, it’s Kronya in disguise. This is the real Monica.
@@Twocoolman115 yeah thats what i said
The one on Three Houses isn't the same Monica, Kroyna disguised herself as Monica.
We’re reaching homosexual levels previously thought impossible!
Monica so cute
Uh.........yeah. still, I cannot stop playing Monica. She still cute!
The one person to bear the Crest of Macuil, the representation of The Magician arcana, and thus, limitless talent... and she's a total goofball.
No paired endings
To be fair it fits a lot to simp Edelgard no matter what would be an outcome for her live. She is literally pulling Uno reverse card on her cause Edelgard is doing the same in 3Houses for Byleth being ready for any outcome no matter will she save her or not.
Good point. Byleth isn’t around for Edelgard to simp over so this universe is like ‘Here, we’ll let you have a simp in this universe’ 🤣
@@NarutoTsunadefan1 Edelgard already had simps so idk what you're talking about.
@@Ergeniz but not as many as Byleth had. So this universe is increasing the number
@@NarutoTsunadefan1 I don't see why Byleth is relevant to this topic.
@@Ergeniz sigh never mind it was part of the simp joke that I brought up in my initial comment. Don’t worry about it
To: the writers
Re: Monica von Ochs Supports
You blew it.
Go back to writing school,
graduate,
and give her a personality.
She does have one though, so you're just wrong.
@@nuibaba280 You're not very convincing with a name like that.
@@ultimateshadow7522 I'm right though. Monica is tactical and sweet, very noticeable personality off the bat. Her Edelgard simping is just iconic.
@@nuibaba280 It's true that she is very sweet, yes. However she reminds me of what they did to Astrid in Radiant Dawn. I'd describe that as blind loyalty that borders on idiocy. Especially that line where she says 'I'd have been OK if you left me for dead if the results helped you achieve your goals.' Which doesn't happen in the original Three Houses. Kronya gets killed off immediately after she's properly introduced, and Byleth breaks out of Zaharas immediately too. Also, Jeralt dying doesn't really help or hurt Edelgard because he dies before the war even if you would want to side with her. That's a punch-to-the-gut line if I've ever seen one. I don't mind if she's an Edelgard fangirl, but do more with her character. You know there's a problem when some of the other comments effectively say she was better off dead. This is not how you write for a character that was both un-save-able and killed off before the events of the first game. They could have torn us up about not being able to save her in Three Houses, and instead we have reactions like, "Kronya was the unsung hero of Three Houses." She should have at least double the Supports she currently has, and the rest of them should be less Edelgard-centric like Dorothea's to properly explore other aspects of her character.
@@ultimateshadow7522 Monica only brings that up because Edelgard still feels bad though. I just think of it as coping logic since Monica said herself that she didn't fall in love with Edelgard *until* she saved her.
Some other comments are just salty about her and don't like the character archetype. Monica has traits outside of "fangirl". But Monica isn't better off dead, that's an objective fact. Why? Because nobody gave a shit who she was. If she was better off dead, she wouldn't have nonexistent fanart and fans before Hopes. And this is coming from someone who liked Monica before Three Hopes ever existed.
I really wish they would stop with the characters that are obsessed with someone else. Hubert at least has a reason and is more then just an Edelgard fanatic.
But Edelgard's support showed that Monica had a reason too.
@@nuibaba280 Monica is just a fan tho. She’s grateful. She has no actually duty to serve Edelgard outside of being from the empire. Hubert is literally Edelgard’s servant and it’s his job to obsess over her where as Monica just wants to be her servant.
@@sayzar9474 Yeah? Monica looks up to Edelgard and El went out of her way to save her life. It's only natural she feels what she feels.
Okay, am I the only one who thinks Monica's portrait (especially her angry one) looks a lot like Jaffar's?
I luv monnie von ochs ❤
She's really the boot licking type to Edelgard, but obviously we have Hubert at it too, I can see that Edelgard might see her as just annoying, to the point she's invasive towards Edelgard, probably thraumatised when she was a prisonner and presumed MIA, she really needs a psychologist after being rescued by Edelgard and her army, she was never part of the battle she was when being rescued, she only got lucky to be there when Edelgard showed up when she needed....
But she'd make a great paparazzi, Monica wouldn't make military material however, at best working in Edelgard's propaganda department...
What's she gonna do next to talk about Edelgard ?? Follow her all the way to the toilet ?? But yeah, she might want to go this far...
Of all the avenues they decided to go with for Monica, they decided to have her emulate one of the worst characters in Echoes for her personality
Why do they keep writing characters like this? She doesn't have the Saturday morning cartoon villain vibes Hubert gives off which can make him entertaining at times. And I wasn't a huge fan of him either. (though he is better in this game.) Hell Faye did more with her character and she only got two rather short supports.
At least with Catherine and Cyril they have their reasons for being loyal asf. With Monica it’s just lazy.
Simp Emblem
Lmao Edelgard 4 real let the terroirst group merc Monica in 3 houses 🙃