Why Legacy Auto Needs EVs More Than... Tesla Or BYD?
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- Опубликовано: 13 май 2024
- Legacy car manufacturers need electric vehicles... just not today. Yet arguably they need EVs more than the likes of Tesla or BYD. So to find out what's REALLY going on, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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In our case the biggest factor was cost, our 14 year old Tiguan (58 plate - 160,000 miles) was getting old, and we needed something cheaper to run, but importantly was available, Aug 22, we needed a car, came accross an MG4, ordered one from our local dealer, and in sept 22, it was delivered, after 3 weeks of order. the MG4 is now at 24000 miles, still runs on overnight electricity at 4.5p (until the end of this month), it saves £200-£300 a month, the only major downside with the car was / is erm nothing. The onlydownside has been daily electricity costs which is currently 45p. Recently installed battery storage (£5k), which has completly offset daytime electricity costs (the monthly stanading charge is now more than the house + car, each month ~ £40-£50)
Great story, there's often a way, just do a bit of research and take the trouble. Many would love such low electricity bills.
Unfortunately 'big oil fanboys' will find many reasons why you're wrong and should be making zero savings in a slower, less reliable ICE car.
Very interesting commentary about a complex topic. Paradigm changing technological disruptions follow non-linear trajectories and are therefor almost impossible to predict. Furiously pointing at range issues, fire hazards, environmental degradation, etc as if the disrupting EV technology is static rather than rapidly evolving, is a mugs game!
It all boils down to this: DO YOU or DON’T YOU believe in the need for urgent greenhouse gas emission reduction, as advised by international scientific consensus. All else is idle chatter…
Paul Burgess has some good videos on this topic :)
A lot of people objection to subscription but then take out a lease. That's pretty much a subscription for the vehicle. It's cheaper for the manufacturer to make one version and have a subscriber pay for what they want. Hand the car back, next customer gets the choice.
I'm not seeing much diference between someone choosing a certain spec new car and paying for that over time in a lease. I can also appreciate the argument about handing over a single payment and expecting it all in one go. Both options have merit.
Dave ,somebody’s been cutting gas delivery hoses, i guess it’s retaliation to charge cables being cut 😮😮😮
Is it just me being totally uninterested in self driving cars what’s the big fascination about them 🤷🏻♂️
If I want a car I don't drive I'd just catch the bus.
@@OTPulsethe bus dose not go where you want when you want and are often unreliable, same with trains.
And before you say "maned taxi" , they are far to costly for day to day use.
A true robo taxi , "could" be as cheap as a bus and as reliable as a taxi.
And do remember, not everyone "can" drive.
When Robo taxi gets available in your area you could test it out and decide if you want a car or not.
If you are living in a large city your largest problem might be parking and charging, this problem solves the Robo Taxi, but it also solves the DUI problem and driving while tired problem
When this happens at a wider scale the car market will be changed and most car manufacturers will not survive
.. and I’ll believe it when I see it. In the UK, you’re lucky if you get decent road markings on a motorway let alone urban or rural roads. I suspect on most roads, the full self driving wont engage or will be constantly disengaging.
Are you really truly happy to sit there, hour after hour, or stop start in traffic jams, holding the wheel, watching the road, feet on pedals? Is that your idea of fun? Me? I'd like to get in, tell the car where to go and sit back and have a nap, or read, or catch up on emails. Anything but sit there driving.
The only thing I would disagree with is the aftermarket feature subscriptions for EVs. BMW tried this recently with some features on their ICE cars. Customers hated it so they had to back away from it.
The makers would essentially be telling customers that you bought the car with all the hardware for say heated seats but you need to pay us again to let you use them. Personally I would just chose a different car if that did not demand more money from me.
Yes, I know that Tesla have FSD but it's not a subscription and I wonder what percentage of their customers shell out for it
My immediate reaction to this would be that I'm being fleeced and I would not buy a car where I had to pay extra to use features that already came with the car but we're disabled.
My other thought is that there would soon develop a cottage industry of people able to turn on these features. This is already the case, in a small way, with VAG cars where people can enable things like speed sign recognition on certain cars.
But you already have been doing this with ice cars for decades. A few years ago I hired Vauxhall Mocca base model which had a standard display but no satnav. The next model up had the same screen which included satnav. BTW FSD is a subscription at $99 per month
Just because the two models have the same screen, it does not follow that they both had the rest of the hardware required for SatNav. The other difference is that Vauxhall were not asking for more money after purchasing the car to enable it.
Better performance. NO insurance is expensive as it is! I happily reduce my performance to lower my insurance group
Insurance group has minimal effect on insurance cost. The cost is very much based on risk the drivers present based on statistical analysis, eg. Age, experience, qualification, background, job description.
All that massive profit from OTA updates to enable more range, LED headlamps, etc etc... paying a monthly subscription for features you already bought? Didn't work out well for BMW and the heated seat fiasco did it?... so dream on Dave (about elon no doubt).
You are right: nobody in their right mind would pay for something they bought when they bought the car. Mercedes tried it and rightly failed. That was a blatant rip-off. But would you pay for say Netflix or RUclips to be added to your EV display if neither were included or available when you bought your car and are now available for a few pounds a month? Many would. It is an addition, something new, not a charge for something you already own. Big BIG difference.
ICE cars can do over the air…I paid for auto beam after I bought the car and it was downloaded OTA
Many of your arguments for EV conflate electric powertrain and software configurability. Further, most warranty claims are not engine-related. Consumer Reports (US) showed EVs have, on average, more faults than combustion vehicles. Even your beloved Tesla was no better than the average for ICEVs!
Great video, nicely said. 👍
Wonder how self driving will cope with my, lets just go out & see where we end up?
Probably your drive but worth trying to see
Sunday afternoon run out with the wife, FSD will of course read her mind…….
I was thinking Xpeng were helping VW
Everybody is teamed up with somebody
More like Xpeng is sucking the know how out of VW and then will walk away from the partnership and build bloody good cars at China prices .
cars started off at EV ... oil barrons etc etc ... money talks
FSD is OK if I can read a book and the car handles everything. At the moment the car spies on the driver, hint people actually do not pay attention for a lot of the time, if a crash seems likely it hands back control to the driver with a few 10s of milliseconds to act. After the crash Tesla blames the driver and points at the small print. A total con.
Also I never ever want a subscription car. Pay £150 a month to have bright lights, heated seats, a radio that works etc. NO. I buy a car I get everything it has. If there is a subscription I will buy elsewhere. Also repairs are going to be main dealer only, at huge prices. Small garages locked out by technology. No aftermarket when parts use encrypted signals on the CAN bus to prove they are the £1500 genuine part not the £150 aftermarket one.
Lovely made up stories, I sincerely hope you don’t actually believe any of this fiction and you’re posting this to try to scare viewers.
The reason for the geniune parts makes sense. Given complexity of electronics and the recent requirement for cybersecurity certification, who wants to trust a random third party control box?
@@djtaylorutube That would be true if the sub-contract companies building the electronic parts were actually well-trained and the hardware was actually well-built. The reality is that any cybersecurity certification is smoke and mirrors these days. It's all about licencing of copyrights and patents. Remember that the major car manufacturers have been trimming margins and outsourcing to places like Vietnam and China for years. There is no quality left in a BMW or Mercedes unless you go right to the top of the range. Don't get me started on GM, Stellantis or Ford. The mantra is "if it works, ship it".
@@ajward137 IP does absolutely come into it but approved parts, seeks to remove the cyber threat of components which could be inadvertently inserted into a vehicle by a malicious threat actor. That threat is very much real.
Good content and points Dave. Thank you
Anyone who buys ?? a car & pays a subscription to use it needs psychiatric help.
The savings you make you nave to factor the higher price & abysmal resale value.
If you buy a chinese car their longevity is highly questionable.
They equare to buying a phone & 3 or 4 years you put it in the recycle bin.
With internet connection how long before hackers will brick them for ransom.
Also how much your screen costs to replace (& how long the wait to get one) if you or your child accidently breaks it.
Cheers Dave
Nice one Dave. Owning an EV is far cheaper to run and far less to break down. The other thing that has happened is that EV's have offered far more technology and it was a lot that was behind a huge paywall for the extras. As EV's gave these away, again the legacy manufacturers were losing out again.
I look at the monthly amount I am paying out in total, with yearly costs based as a monthly price. This is where EV ownership saved me about £250 per month. I would never go back to an ICE car and hate having to drive one if we are on holiday abroad and need to rent a car!
Owning my EV is far cheaper to run until it breaks down. I can only go to the main dealer, I was told they would only look at it in over 4 weeks time and there would be an up front charge of around £130 just to plug in an OBD reader. Talk about being at the back of the queue. I got that sorted via the RAC luckily. I then heard when it is time to change my battery coolant (water and antifreeze) the 'magic water' costs £400. Main dealers are on a massive price gouge with EVs.
@@mbak7801 Yes main dealers are over charging EV service as they don't make as much from an EV and less break down. Have a look at Cleevely EV as they do mobile service!
Hello mate
Tesla pumper ignoring that all the legacy automakers are betting big on hybrids.... cope some more.
You need to watch some of my older videos. I stated months ago Ford should abandon EVs and revert to hybrid as they clearly cannot make EVs that people want
Legacy Auto need to understand that manufacturing has moved on beyond Ford's Model T conveyor belt assembly. 30+hrs per car and producing a massive carbon footprint, is NOT the way to make profits. 10hrs per car built with castings and almost Zero carbon footprint is where Tesla are currently at.... Followed closely by Chinese. If Legacy can't sort out their dreadfully slow manufacturing processes, they will never make a profit.
EV’s aren’t the future I keep hearing - they are. When was the last time you saw an ICE vehicle advert!
Generally you don’t need to pay for expensive advertising if your product is already selling.
@@bordersw1239 Normally true but in this case no. ICE cars are not selling well if at all at the moment. Manufacturers are cutting back everywhere and advertising is the first to go.