Analogue Nt mini Noir - The Ultimate NES FPGA console? :: RGB321 / MY LIFE IN GAMING
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- Опубликовано: 17 дек 2020
- The Nt mini Noir is here and it is not the same system as the one Analogue released in 2017. But is it equal to or better than the original in every way? Does it have all of the extra jailbreak cores? Let's find out!
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00:00 - Intro 
Игры
[Try4ce] Something that has been brought to our attention - the reason composite video looked much worse than the 2017 Nt mini is because of enabling the "Dejitter" feature. Turns out, Dejitter should only be used with component, RGB, and HDMI. Composite and S-video are MUCH less noisy when that feature is left alone, and seems to be very close to 2017 Nt mini and a real NES once again. I always thought the look of composite was one of the coolest features of the Nt mini because it made the video output feel so authentic. So I'm glad to stand corrected on this!
Analogue needs to get it together... They never respond to the community and they need to release a normal version of the NT mini, like the Super NT and Mega SG. It is starting to get ridiculous... Seems to Me that more and more they are turning into Apple than a retro gaming company.
I love how you make the starting theme, it seems like it is a looping track, but it sounds so good!
You should check the rg351p from anbernic its the god handheld
Love the video as always guys and I would love to buy products from Analogue. The problem with that is it would seem they only make limited edition products. I say this because nothing ever comes back in stock when sold out.
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I'm never gonna buy an NT Mini Noir but that didn't stop me from enjoying this video. Thanks!
@DEAD CHANNEL For the MiSTer, I would check out Digikey New Zeland for the DE 10 Nano. Only other "Required" part for some of the cores would be the Ram expansion board. You don't need the I/O board, and you can use a cheap OTG USB Hub or a USB Hub with a USB A to USB Micro adapter.
For anyone in New Zeland, here is the link to the DE 10 Nano on Digikey New Zeland
www.digikey.co.nz/product-detail/en/terasic-inc/P0496/P0496-ND/6817231
@DEAD CHANNEL I have a Mister and it's awesome. Hopefully you can find one at a reasonable price.
@DEAD CHANNEL if you don't own cartridges and you are mostly playing emulators currently, then maybe you should consider MiSTer even if it is expensive, simply because of the high number of systems that it simulates. There is a difference between a conventional software emulator and MiSTer :). Analogue products and original hardware are mainly targeted towards audiences that have game collections and/or space to store them. If you don't have any of that, MiSTer is definitely a better option if you want to experience those old games as close as possible to how they were intended to be experienced.
I bought one. I’m never going to open it though! LOL!
"that ship sailed", but it's coming back tomorrow ! Fingers crossed I get one
Same cheers
just nabbed one myself. Really glad they gave it a second run
I got one 🙂
Here here 🍻
They’re still available. 👍
I'll be honest, I spent about 3 hours playing with my NT Mini's settings, just to beat Castlevania in about 25 mins :p
lol i feel that
I do the same with my retroarch settings
Three hours?
That's the stuff right there
Well now it's time to learn the speedrun, then. 😈
A great look at the system. Shame no one can get one really. Analogue so focused on accuracy they're even emulating Nintendo's false scarcity of products
haha, great comment
🤣😂😂🤣😂
I'm here as someone lucky enough to get one on the limited run released today (4/9/2021). Can't wait!
Same, it was a good surprise.
Same. Suprisingly they're not sold ot yet as of tonight
I got one too, pretty excited!
I'm still hoping Analogue releases a cheaper, plastic version of the Nt Mini that matches the aesthetics of the Super and Mega Nt. I love the NES but the Nt Mini price and looks never did it for me.
I’m with you.
Yeah, it never made sense to me as to why they couldn't release a 200$ Nt. Also the cartridge issue that Try has with the 2017 model is simply unacceptable, they should have replaced his unit or at least repaired it, especially after shelling out 500$ on the damn thing...
They probably won't, because someone else already makes that: www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=36&products_id=78
I absolutely agree on that. I think they will, and that’s more why this is “the final run” rather than them never doing a NES system again.
@@joysticksnjukeboxes My TV doesn't handle 720p as properly as it should as if I get subsampling on that resolution and it shows up in scanlines which is my prefered way of playing these games. For me personally until either the AVS has an updated unit which can do 1080p+ or there is a reasonably priced NES FPGA From analogue I'll just stick to real hardware.
For those playing Final Fantasy 3. The airship disappears when you enter a town or cave. The glitch could only be fixed by changing the speed setting to fully buffered. This happened to me with Everdrive and the original FF3 cartridge.
I don’t know if you guys will see my comment, but I really appreciate all the effort you put in for the community. Your videos are always extremely logically assembled, and the production value is honestly ridiculous. I’m sure your viewers appreciate everything you do.
Much respect to Try at 1:55 for coming right out and telling people to play how you want to play and be respectful to others.
The retro gaming community has so much damn elitism for every single way to play, it's good to see this channel being so unbiased since they give everything a try (no pun intended)
“You can’t. That ship has sailed.” As of April 9, 2021 you CAN (and it’s still available as I write this).
Yup, still in stock.
And now sold out.
@@MrAdam802 If history is any indication there could be another "one final run" since that seems to be a marketing gimmick at this point. If it happens they'll announce it on socials.
Guys, this review is so good. I can't believe how excited I got while hearing about different sync outputs. Your PVMs are looking quite beautiful
Big fan of your videos! As a kid I never thought tvs were as interesting as the games and consoles. Boy how wrong I was!
I've truly missed MLiG
This is hands down the best and most informative review of the Nt mini Noir. Great work!!!
At 24:00, you show the jitter in the Noir's composite video and later S-Video. That extra jitteriness is present when the enable dejitter option is turned on, as explained in the manual. Turn it off under Video -> Extra Features for composite and S-Video video and you should get an image identical to the 2017 Nt Mini.
Thanks so much again for making this wonderful video that covers the Noir and other Analogue products so thoroughly.
Great in depth video. I could watch these types of videos for hours and even days on end.
You guys are so knowledgeable and go in-depth. I’m not even gonna check the audio settings for now. I was so impressed of the sound already. I did have my everdrive crashing several times because it was tilted forward. But beside that, i’m utterly most satisfied with my purchase. I’ve also seen the rad racer glitches (way worse) on my original NES with everdrive. The Everdrive had some FW upgrades, and on the NT Mini it looks great now. I have a famicom pirate card that doesn’t work, i’m gonna test that 3.6 Vdc feature! Thanks a lot guys!
Absolutely love the hard work you guys put into these videos. Such smooth editing! Thank you for all you do :)
Thank you for this video. The audio portion is especially helpful.
The quality of your videos are absolutely astounding!
The sprite number limit is used in some games as a way to display only part of sprites. For example in the dungeons of Zelda, Link walking through a door will be wrongly displayed if you disable the sprite limit.
Immediate speedrun disqualification.
You guys really went in depth with this one. I love it
I caught the Xexyz sound clip playing for a few seconds. Nice! Not many people seem to know about the game, but I loved it when I was a kid and still own my original copy. I guess I was always into "underground" stuff even back then LOL.
I will likely never use one of these, let alone own one of them. But I just love listening to you guys talk about this stuff! It just expands my imagination -- all the things that can be done to enhance the retro-gaming experience!
Just got my Nt Mini Noir in the mail direct from Analogue today....
I noticed in this video you talked about the Analogue DAC, however, I don't recall you making a video about it. I would very much enjoy that, even if it is just a short overview of the device, since knowing even just the basics about it would be better than knowing nothing.
The MiSTer does have an Intellivision core but it's not part of the main MiSTer cores. It works really well. Every game I tested with it works as you expect. The 7800 core to my knowledge is being worked on and in the future we should see many more cores like the X68000, PC-8801 and hopefully FM Towns, PC-9801, Atari Lynx, Wonderswan and Neo Geo Pocket but we'll see. Thank you for another awesome video.
i always appreciate these breakdowns even if ill never own a noir. clearly a good product but im glad i invested in an AVS in the end.
I agree, but I got both. For $500, I can’t bring myself to open the box.
@@SumDumGy Same here. AVS is the daily beast.
M.M., I don’t see any need for more. Now I’m just stuck in the ongoing grind with this company trying to buy their more affordable products I *will* use, despite their every effort to not want to seek one to me.
My mission for the last year plus has been to pick up the Super Nt. It’s been out of stock for over a year. They just got a very small replenishment but didn’t notify customers who had been signed up for notifications. I hear sales went live and were limited to two per customer. People struggled. Per usual, to snag one and check out before they were gone again in minutes. Long story short, we have another round of pushed off customers and a whole lot of scalper units listed on eBay.
I have never once encountered a company who hates their customers more than Analogue.
As someone who just upgraded to the NT Mini Noir I kind of miss the turbo controller button customization and the built in game genie database for inserted carts on the AVS. Those are both really convenient features.
I’m not personally interested in the NES beyond a few games so I’m not in the market for one of these, but I find FPGA so exciting and your coverage of it is universally brilliant.
I just picked up an Analogue Duo despite not owning any PC Engine games a week ago, because it was exactly the product I was waiting for. Something that lets me collect the PC Engine shooter library and play them with low lag, without having to worry about addons, reliability and RGB mods. Analogue fundamentally are releasing products that people really need, and they’re executing them well (barring some QC issues with this damn disc drive).
So it’s a damn shame that they feel the need to include so much FOMO in their marketing strategy. There’s more than enough of that in the hobby already, I seriously think Analogue wouldn’t struggle to sell twice as many of these if they just… made them. And they don’t have a wider brand image that they need to maintain like Nintendo. So it just doesn’t make any sense to me. And the way they’ve handled the success of the Pocket by cashing in on limited run colour variants rather than just working on maintaining availability is disappointing.
Glad to hear the new 2.4Ghz controllers have much less lag. They may not be lag free, but wireless is always a nice utility to have.
5:00 that's so you can turn your console on remotely from the controller. You turn on the controller, then hit Select+A to turn on the console. I think this is a great feature, the less i have to get off my ass, the better ;)
I wonder if it works with turning on your smart tv as well
Another great video. I am very excited to see these features (minus the extra non-nes cores) make it into a future plastic release from Analogue ;) ;)
As expected, awesome video. Thanks MLiG!
A day with a new MLiG is a good day
I just got one today. Now just waiting for it to come. I have an avs but always wanted the nt. Super nt has been amazing
26:50 A wild Artemio appears!
WOW! Another great video full of information I didn't even know I needed! =)
Looking at this video in excitement to get mine next week!
MLiG you have outdone yourself again! I also really like to play on it. For the people in The Netherlands: I have 1 extra Noir v2 for sale.
I love it, I am definitely an Analogue fan in regards to the experience using all of consoles released so far.
A benefit of having the controller ports powered at all times is you can turn the console on with the controller by holding Select+B
and Select+A after you swap confirm/cancel to make it more natural.
If you use SNES controller then it's still Select+Y or Select+B.
There are around 200 NT Mini Noire for sale on ebay right now for not a huge amount over Analogue retail. Scalper's disappointment is your chance, so if you missed out and want one, this is probably the best time to get it.
Great work - as always - guys! 😎
It's more expensive than buying a famicom and nes both pre rgb modded from a good vendor ......, so I have no reason to buy it anyways, but amazing and really interesting video, as always.
EDIT: Shipping from analogue to where i live costs 120 bugs extra and there are import costs to pay, that would come to another 80 bugs. Which is why I would really like to see an less expensive version of their solution similar to the super NT, which would've still cost me 350 bugs or a reduction in their crazy expensive shipping costs.
You're right that it's more expensive but the price difference isn't actually that great (unless you're really experienced at soldering) & there are compromises with the OG hardware. It's up to people whether or not those compromises are worth it.
@@yellowlemon123 Plus, with the jailbreak firmware, just look at all those extra cores!
Your RGB signal will also not look as clean but who cares just play whatever you want.
Or making a MiSTer with all the bells and whistles.
An RGB modded NES can't output HDMI
Thank you so much guys. Awesome.
Another excellent video. Well made
Happy to see @Artemio getting recognition, he deserves it for his talent, hard work and dedication.
Great video guys!
I love that opening theme!
Great review! Wish you could do a similar review of the Mister and some of it cores.
[Try4ce] You don't have to wish! We're planning one for early next year!
@@mylifeingaming This comment hasn't aged very well, has it?
Awesome ep. Thank you
This channel has become my favorite on youtube for the last year. Keep it up!
Finally a new RGB video!
Just got my Nt mini Noir in today!!!!!
Dang, I miss these guys.
It’s that time of day again: an MLiG video
best time of the day
Did not expect to see footage from the Capcom Darkwing Duck game, even if it was only a couple of seconds.
I still have a PAL NES cart of that game.
This was a brill video lads, ta.
I’m with you in wanting a $200 NES FPGA from these guys. I recently got a Mega SG and I’m loving it. $500 or so for an NES machine is outside of my price range, especially since a lot of this is features I would never use. But hey, at least there’s the AVS for me to eye.
I'm really happy with my AVS. I'd be willing to bet Analogue is purposely not competing directly with that. Why would they? So many other consoles in need of love...
You can plug in original controllers just fine on the MiSTer FPGA, just get either, a LLAMA, a Blisster or a SNAC adapter and you are good to go, you can use LLAPI cores with LLAMA or Blisster for extra low latency (though regular usb protocol already syncs to sub 1ms).
33:38 wow, NT Mini's sound emulation is prettty solid, way closer than N8
2:20 Here's something guys like Mike Matei should hear.
100% ^
I stopped watching Mike when the whining got to be too much for me.
My favoritest console of all time, tied with the Vectrex.
Those supported features are cool.
Very informative video. Unfortunately it was above my budget at pre-order and even more so now. I'm having a blast with the MiSTer FPGA though. I'm more of a NeoGeo fan than NES.
EDIT: I had a change of heart on the cost and grabbed three of them during the last release. Now if I can find a decent price on the Mega SG.
awesome beats in this video
Great review and thank you for taking all the time to be so thorough with it. The original NT Mini is how I first found out about Analogue and I've not had to use my OG hardware ever since. It was that good. I pre ordered and got a Noir simply because I fear the day my original may fail so I wanted a backup. I use it constantly and am extremely thankful that Kevtris did all this incredible work with the cores. Next to my pc engine the NES is my all time most played console so I'm thrilled for it. So again really appreciate the overview as it makes combing through it later myself less of a chore. Being able to use my real controllers and accessories is a huge selling point for me so it's got a permanent place in my collection.
I watched the whole video, despite it being 98% over my head. I sincerely wish I could understand what you dudes are saying. And yet, I gather that if I did understand, I'd be heartbroken that I don't own one of these no-longer-available Analogue machines. Well, I guess it's back to my front-loading NES, hooked up via RF adapter to my 13" CRT that sometimes works, sometimes not, that sits right next to my 50" 4K TV.
Man. Gotta find a good hour to be able to sit down and enjoy this. Always such a treat when a new video is released!
Why don’t they make a cheaper $200 nes plastic console like the others ?
Because analogue are grifters
They probably will in the future, it doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion for them to add all these features and completely rewrite the nes core unless they have plans to release a more mainstream version later.
because the $500 ones sell out just as quick, with artificial hype and limited stock. analogue only does anti consumer practises to drive people to buy them or else they're paying double to people who are just flipping them
Hypothesis: this $500 limited edition is partly a way to fund the production of the cheaper plastic version down the road.
I bet they will, and I have one of the noirs.....using a different fpga makes little sense if they didnt
I have the 2017 Nt mini and it does not support the game To The Earth. The game loads but it won't accept controller input. I am surprised because this is a first party game. Knowing that the system is still not reference quality makes me glad I did not preorder the Noir when I had the change. Thanks for always packing so much information into your videos.
Yup I thought I was the only one that noticed that.
Looks like this video is finally applicable to me lol. I don't know if I should be ecstatic or horrified that this $500 NES is sitting on my desk right now, but here we go!
Awesome guys been waiting for this! Christmas has come early 👍🏻 Egg nog in hand, gonna settle down for this one!
Just got mine this week. It sure took a good few months but I am happy I finally got it. I couldn't waste the money to buy on the first release but I could this time so am happy I got it with the improvements.
The NES NT products look so awesome and I wish I could get one, but there’s no way I can ever afford it even for the incredible jail broken core software which is the main thing I want them for. I hope they do cost reduced future production runs of these someday.
The N8 Pro, when set to the "Famicom Original" preset for expansion audio balance, performs the same as the Noir's simulated expansion chips. Now, can't really say which one is closer to the real hardware, perhaps the Noir's is a bit better for some chips. For FDS and Namco expansion audio games via N8 Pro, you'd want to enable the filtering for cartridge audio.
Superb work guys. I’m one of the lucky ones that got a Mini Noir and you answered a lot of my questions. Appreciate all that you both do!
I only ever used the CopyNES feature once, and that was to dump an exclusive Homebrew title I bought a while back called U.X.O., or Unexploded Ordinances. It's basically a unique version of Minesweeper for the NES with freaking fantastic music! Figured I would dump it so I didn't have to pull out the cart every time I wanted to play it, as it's not a publicly available ROM and hasn't been dumped/shared online before. And no, I am not going to do that myself.
Thumbs up for Coury and his Sub Pop shirt! 👍
Your videos are always the most comforting videos I watch on RUclips. Please be proud of the work you do.
I want a plastic or metal version that had nes, snes, and genesis! Maybe within the next 5 years?
I just popped for the Retro USB AVS - I’m not going to try to convince people that it’s better than the NT mini, but it does a great job at below half the cost (Analogue have hidden costs like crazy shipping prices, especially over seas which is me). It would be nice to have the extra cores, though I’m only really worried about the Atari one - I have the Mega SD and Super NT which give me the others. For NES games themselves I don’t feel you need all the features of the NT mini. When the new run came out I did consider it, I could have sold the AVS to cover some of the cost, but I just decided it wasn’t worth the trouble and money. I’m excited about the Duo thought, I will be doing my best to get hold of one of those, I just don’t understand why Analogue have to do limited runs of consoles now.
What an incredible piece of hardware. I wish they'd keep them in stock normally.
They rarely do that for any of their product they love dangling the carrot.
What kind of SNES tot NES adapter did you guys use? Nice review!
[Try4ce] It was one generously assembled for us by FirebrandX. Not sure what parts he used.
You know you’re watching a My Life In Gaming video when you hear “Which we’ll go into in a bit” multiple times
Can someone post a list of the featured games in the video? There are some i never seen before, and i can't find a list of the games in the description links
Another great video. What's up with no mention of the Raspberry Pi?
Same reason they didn't go into detail on PC emulators. It's not FPGA and doesn't offer comparable features.
Not the target audience.
I really want something like this (well more like the Super NT Mini as US$500 is a lot) for the Playstation and Playstation 2. They're my 2 favourite consoles, so I would buy them immediately.
I really want them to update the firmware of the Super Nt and Mega Sg to have a standby power mode like the Nt mini. Having played a ton of NES games recently, I really missed being able to turn my Super Nt on and off with a controller button combination. The blinking light is annoying, but you can easily cover the LED up.
4:49 I talked to Kevtris about this when the first NT Mini came out and he told me to put electrical tape on the light.
Oh the old VCR clock fix from the 80s.
Think I'll stick with my avs...
Amen
AVS is definitely the best alternative
they made the avs look good...i got a avs an luv it..if u gonna play nes games then the avs is the bomb..
the only thing I wish for the AVS is there was a jailbreak firmware to allow you to play games from an SD card, other than that it seems to be the best option until Analogue gets off their high horse and releases a $200 plastic model (plus re-release the Super NT)
@@diamanteloco The Everdrive N8 PRO handles that nicely.
I've never encountered a scanline filter that looked anything like playing on an actual CRT.
Now if only Analogue would restock their products or give us some updates.
P.S. Still waiting on that gameroom tour, Try! I've been so patient and wanna seeeee iiiiiit!
[Try4ce] I'll definitely get to it next year! I've decided one major piece of furniture I want to replace sometime next year and then I'll be ready to make this happen!
@@mylifeingaming More footage of the dog please!
He gave a sneak peak tour of the new room setup at the end of the night after the PS5 debut livestream. Spoiler alert - it’s awesome!
Great video! I always love when you guys upload, its always high quality! :)
25:47 I'm so happy to know that you guys are becoming more critical of sound accuracy for these old devices. So many retro gaming content creators seem to put an emphasis on video accuracy, often at the expense of audio. It really is about time more people cared about audio as much as they do video.
“Disable Looped Noise” sounds like the way Hi-Def NES originally shipped. I even have a video of it where the dog only barks once in Duck Hunt (supposed to bark three times). Kevtris fixed it pretty long ago but I don’t think he fixed the issue I showed near the end of Ninja Gaiden.
Awesome! Always look forward to these videos that you guys produce. Well done guys and stay safe
do you have to give the system you get for review back or do you get to keep them
Your guys MiSTERs look really neat in those cases, any plans on doing a full on (how to build, set up, use) MiSTER episode?
If they get to the point of CPS3 (street fighter 3rd strike) and the 4 player arcade games (Turtles, Simpsons) I might have to dive in.
Not FPGA, but you should look into those arcade1up boxes
@@lolcat I'd rather have something that isn't solidly set in place. I used to own several arcade machines, and now prefer modular set-ups (like systems to a TV).
I also wasn't super impressed by the arcade 1-ups I've seen in person. They might have gotten better over time though.
ruclips.net/user/MiSTerAddonsvideos