Octagram Cognitive Development | Season 18 Cognitive Mechanics
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Very fascinating. As an ESTJ, I find that I am definitely UD. I was a foster child from trauma in the first six years of my life. So, spent my life up to the age of 45, developing others. To be honest, I have sought for others to come to me as their source, plain truth. I worked really hard at it also, giving up many of my own aspirations to build others. Camp counselor & teacher in high school, homeschooled my children for over 10 years according to their personality types, and then started a business as a life coach & taught in the schools as a substitute. At 45, I decided to get a job in insurance and it has been the most soul sucking experience, because I no longer believe or feel as though I have I am helping others get better anymore. It has been a rough go of it and I can see the downhill slide from being SF to UF. This gives food for thought. Great stuff. I am a certified personality profiler and I will say that of all the hours and hours I have studied this, Chase you do a great job explaining.
GEEZ, this might be the most information-dense video of all time. Gonna need multiple watches for sure. Great content, Chase, and thank you! We all appreciate this!
One example of giving/ receiving self and others could be sensing, introverted sensing giving myself food and receiving food from others, and extroverted: giving food to others and receiving food from others.
Great episode!
Lol. Are you an Se user?
Amending my comment below my hypothesis is that when the ego runs at the efficiency rate that full integration would bring to all of its functions, the individual would become the best version of its conflict pair while still retaining its quartet and origins. For instance an ISTP’s final gateway before becoming the best Sage would be its Angelic INFP mystic superego. Thanks. Food for thought anyway. Also enlightenment might imply transcending conflict.
A very nuanced and insightful lecture. Keep up the amazing work, Chase. Thanks for this.
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This was bloody fantastic
Finding an UDUF ENFJ woman sounds like a faraway hazy dream, a mystical ideal that I can only grasp and imagine inside my dream world. Do they even really exist?
I loved this video from beginning to end.
Thank you very much for all these details. Very informative and helpful. Thanks a lot 👍🏼
I came back to watching you back lately, how's your life, is health good?
Hi Chase I think that in the integrated state each type becomes the ultimate version of their respective conflict type. Entp to Esfj, Infj to Istp, etc.
No they probably become a lot like their subconscious, which is ENTP to ISFJ. But it just comes off as ESFJ because of the extroversion. ISFJ developed ENTP and ESFJ behave very very differently
@@GetYossedLolI’m talking about enlightenment
@@RHeath24your talking nonsensical, it's just clearly wrong.
@@honor9lite1337 it’s an unproven hypothesis based on the idea that if the ego runs at the efficiency rate of having all of the other functions fully developed that something beyond cs’s current templates can happen
I don't know if you're right but it's an interesting perspective, you might be on to something
52:54 body temple
Hey, my girlfriend watches your stuff a lot and I actually live right where you are because I've seen you outside the bar in town recording. Are you still recording on weekends or too cold?
I am around, email me at chase@csjoseph.life
Greg House, Tyrion Lannister and Leonard Hofstadter sound EXACTLY like Chase.
I felt that for the body temple, entj and isfp part, the two differences you provided were negative/unhealthy. Is there not a positive/healthy alternative?
Is there a way to make the system chases uses for typing appeal to an esfj and workable instead of relying on ti inferior? Like utilizing Fe and si so that I can type people without using as much energy?
Look up his videos “How to Social Engineer” the type you want
Do UD INTPs only practice hedonism with other people? And does gaming with friends and discussing about anime count as extroverted hedonism?
I think its practiced upon at everything basically. Hell i remember one time i basically put something like "The only law i follow is my curiosity" or something like that. Cringy as hell ik, but thought was cool at the time.... And yes i do think it counts, its also indicative of UF pole too i'd say, ur sharing ur gluttonous enjoyment kinda and bonding over that. And gaming could be a source of fulfilling curiosity in a certain way as well so definitely. Like for example i sometimes dont really finish games i start, mainly because i never start them with the intention of finishing them anyway. Its more so to satisfying an urge. Like i was played dishonored 2 a while back, didnt finush it the first time around cuz forgot about it, currently am not because its too much of a commitment and my sneaky shadow powered assasin fantasy has been fulfilled so im satisfied lmao
When you say, “one needs to let go their cognitive development go in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.” Do you mean SD to UD and UD to SD, or just UD to SD?
Is it possible that children of Fe hero or Ti hero types are most likely to end up UD?
This is a bit unrelated and hopefully youll asnwer (or someone else does) as an ISTP how do I get an ESTJs trust back after lying about something and they find out
Watched some things about ENFJ, any tips for ENTJ & ENFJ pair?
I'm seeing that those octogram concepts have words from the St Francois Prayer. Is there a link there or am I straying?
Why 😮
It just popped in my head as I was watching him name the different octograms. The words looked similar.
Pleasseeee you have to tell us, how does the UDUF ENTP bring hope to himself
Maybe a UDUF estp😢
I know its not the right comment section but I have to ask do you really think Russel Brand is INFP? I would assume he is INFJ of ENFJ no? I’m INFJ and he is just seems to be so NFJ😅
He seems like the biggest extroverted intuitive to ever exist lmfao he’s also not a planner type. ENFP, they also have NJ unconscious side of the brain
Do you consider yourself the world’s leading expert on the 16 personalities, Chase?
For now. Yeah
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Chase I'm wondering, if someone is an introverted type, then would the cognitive origin spokes be reversed in terms of cognitive development/focus? For example, an ENTP such as yourself has malevolence and envy as indications of a UD/UF octagram, but, for an ISFJ such as myself, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be the opposite? So indications of a UD/UF octagram would be compassion and fanaticism?
I don't know/can't really recall how my thought process led to this to be honest. Reading it back now it seems like a very stupid question and I don't agree with it at all. I've muddled myself all up. But I would regardless be very interested to know how octagram differs between the two types which share a cognitive origin.
I'm a 20 yo SD INTP man, does it means that i can't develop my ENTJ shadow ?
You can still be SD/UF
I'm SD/UF but being SD as an intp men makes me super feminine
@@nemesis27 yes it does. But u can still develop ur masculine entj side. A good example is Jordan Peterson, whos a UD intp. His esfj subconscious is quite developed and he becomes so empathetic and cries on camera semi often.
Another thing to Keep in mind, ur other pole still exists in u and it will manifest during certain scenarios or people
I think im a UD intp. But when it comes to my grandma, well theres an undeniable SD pole, or at the least esfj servitude there. She basically raised me and so im eternally thankful for that. I'd do anything for her happiness. AH! But if it was something that, even if it made her happy, something that went againt my own personal goals. If what my grandma would like for me to do does not serve me or i just dont agree with it. I will reject it. In a way im sacrificing her happiness.
So at the end of the day, even if i go full esfj almost SD pole servitude levels of caring for the very few people far and between, the existence of me being UD remains prominent. Hope that helps
I have been a Fan since a Year long
Because of you I Read CJung's
The psychology of Kundalini
Psychological types
and John beebe's Energy and Patterns
So I have realised that FUNCTIONS are Just CHAKRAS but you never Talk about CHAKRAS and Kundalini
I think the world needs to know that Functions are CHAKRAS, and I waana know what you think about Chakras
You really should have explained better more specifically how the functions correlate with chakras? With functions would be which chakras?
@@DanniBby Si is Root chakra
Fi and Ti are both parts of Sacral Chakra
Se is Solar plexus
Fe and Te are both parts of Heart Chakra
Ne is Throat chakra
Ni is Third eye
Crown Chakra doesn't have any Psychological Impact on the Cognition that's why it's Not included Functions
@@theboysclubofficial there’s a lot of considerations though, why would Fi which is internal feeling of values not be heart chakra and why would crown chakra not be connected to intuition and how would extroverted intuition which gives future telling metaphysical possibilities ability not be a mind and spiritual chakra? I personally have both high Ne and Ni , I use both together. As well as High Ti and Fi. Ti being logic doesn’t make sense for it to be Sacral because it’s not about feeling passionate, it’s about being objectively detached from personal involvement in life.. so maybe even like the crown chakra.
@@DanniBby well Bro Just watch any Video on Chakra and see the similarity,
Heart Chakra is stereotypical Fe and Sacral Chakra is Stereotypical Fi,
Only Te and Ti do not have a corresponding Chakra,
And then I thought, Ti users are most in control of what they FEEL, It kinda means a certain transformation of Sacral Chakra, because chakras have Petals which represent different qualities of same Chakra
And Te is also a Certain Facet or the PETAL of Heart Chakra,
A Hindu Guru said Heart Chakra most important Function is to protect, and technically both Te and Fe protect by stopping Chaos, Curbing Chaos
They both Organise and Stop Chaos although Differently
@@theboysclubofficial Watching videos about chakras isn’t going to make me see the how Fi is Sacral, if my understanding of it is different from yours. Fi is all about decisions with your heart, it’s literally the authenticity function.
Your idea of what the functions do could be different from mine. Fi protects the most because it’s about morals & values. Fe also protects because it’s a feeling function that cares about ethics. Si protects safety, comfort & tradition. Ti protects the most because it cares about the truth, helping people fix problems & justice, that’s why they’re always correcting people.
Hi Chase, I have a question. If there's an ESTJ man who writes poetry about a girl he knew 10 years ago, this girl he couldn't enter a relationship with or confess his feelings to, and he still loves and remembers her, can I make him forget her? Or is this impossible?
Can someone explain accomodation/obstinance with examples?
Does an infj being alone and lonely make them more unconscious focused and developed or does it just kinda suck but something that won’t significantly hinder them
Yes if it causes you to abandon hope of others giving you objectification and chastity. You also seek less intimacy and more of the enfp/istj cognitive origin, because you have lost hope of intimacy and seek your secondary origin a bit more as a survival mechanism. Externalized subconscious ways of getting intimacy are probably more optimal than the Unconscious ways externalized. It is done out of desperation. That's also why you seek 2x of your secondary origin as UDUF octagram. Those subconscious ways of getting intimacy can't be external because you have none to give. You then resort to externalizing your idolatry and lust in order to reach intimacy(you give it to others. And you internalize your objectification and chastity(you want others to give it to you because you have none).
Lust and idolatry grows and grows if you're not meeting your cognitive origin through your subconscious ways of doing so. To the point where you have so much that your lust and idolatry are external. You then become UDUF. Becoming UD (external idolatry) happens early on in life and most likely won't change as a result the reasons Chase pointed out in the video. Becoming UF (external lust) can change in a reasonable amount of time though.
@@SantanaBanana47 So basically a UD UF infj is simping for different persons trying to make them like them back in order to achieve intimacy. What a shitty position to be in.
@@stefanobesliu6458 idk about wanting to be liked back. They want to be treated like objects through. They want to be useful objects so people will stick around for once in their lives. Internalized objectification. They then idolize people and themselves to achieve this. Add external Lust and I definitely can see how they could be massive simps. They want other people to have chastity and be loyal to them. It's like I'm such a useful sex object, please don't abandon me. Wow. I see how UDUF is unnatural.
I think wanting to be being liked back is more akin to SD (internal idolatry). Seeking for others to idolize you.
@@SantanaBanana47 i've been thinking about whether i am UD UF or UD SF. I really relate to the idolatry part and i do expect others to be loyal, however i do want to want be listened to and liked. I dont think i want objectification, but rather to be of enough value to an individual to be admired by them as an important person in their life.
Now that i think of this through, it sounds so bad and horrible, but its not like thats what i desired to be anyway. Definitely UD. I have been UF, however i think that i try to go for SF on a subconscious level. Like i want to be a good leader that is adored and wanted by others, while bringing value into my relationships by fostering personal development. The problem is that i hardly relate to anybody, or i just lose interest because i am so picky since i know how i can easily attach.
Could development significantly change romantic relationship compatibility? Specifically subconscious developed ISFP and subconscious developed INTJ?
If one of these people is an intj, the odds they mistyped someone are high, and the odds of a relationship being incompatible is close to one in ten. Of those one in ten a disproportionate amount of ud/uf people are involved which further diludes the odds here. In the event we are somehow actually dealing with a both subconscious developed isfp intj couple, Chase would almost certainly point out how much of a nightmare that sounds like, these types are conflict pair and are only compatible with the others unconscious, which they haven't even developed. These types are also already prone to conflict. Fortunately, this pair is unlikely to occur.
Besides that, more generally as you also ask, yes development and focus do affect compatibility. The pairs themselves do change what octogram pairs are preferable. Affection/golden pair is better suited to the same octogram for SD/SF and UD/UF (ti minimize origin competition), or the opposite octogram between SD/UF and UD/SF. For natural/bronze pair UD/UF pairs with SD/SF, I'm not sure for SD/UF and UD/SF, though, I *think* they pair together for natural pair.
No
Nature still superior
No
Oof, tough to admit, probably mistyped. INFJ ISFP…. So never mind
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