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Is the 6000EX UL listed like the 6500EX? Which would be recommend for running split system AC units (heat pumps)? The start surge of the compressors on the split ACs can be quite high.
@WillProwse So supposedly, Signature Solar is offering an Upgrade to this XP Version in exchange for any Older EX Versions purchased prior to 2024. Not sure why, but they will even cover the Shipping Cost of your old EG4 Inverter, and Upgrade you to the XP for HALF it's Price!!?? I understand the 6k EX is NO LONGER IN PRODUCTION (but it makes me wonder, WHY?). Are they having supply chain issues perhaps with their Transformers? Why are they SO willing to offer you a half price upgrade when their Customer Service otherwise hasn't been that great? (according to this video). Should I pay the $750 to upgrade my EG4 6k EX to the EG4 6K XP?
You have no idea how reassuring these uploads are Will. I'm about to spend a small fortune on a large system and truly I would never have had the confidence had I not been a subscriber to your channel for years. The service that you have provided to this community and this industry is immeasurable. Thank you.
I'd hold off on these... Signature told me to "wait until we get the firmware upgrade".... I had $19k sitting in my solar closet and they want people to wait... Stop selling these until you figure it out guys.
Thanks for all your work, I learned a lot about DIY solar systems and I’m even more encouraged to work hard and built my own in the near future, good job, Jim from South Africa 🇿🇦
I really appreciate this channel, I stumbled across it researching a Jackery - and now an entire world of solar stuff has been opened up to me. I had zero clue about anything from this industry prior. It really makes me wonder what else I don't know about our world. So cool. Thanks for the informative videos and keep it up!
Just a note on the idle consumption, this being a single 240v split-phase unit, you've basically got 2 inverters in one, so a fair comparison in terms of idle current draw would be matching it to 2 3000w inverters running in split-phase. I'm guessing it would only draw about 35w more, which isn't terrible considering the space-savings and less wiring you would need. The 6500EX x2 idle consumption would be higher than this for running split phase, although you'd have twice the overall wattage and more solar inputs, but that might be overkill for many people. Just something to consider when comparing this to other inverters in 240v split-phase configurations.
Layman's terms, please. I'm 65, but teachable. We have a couple of mr cool hvac split system units with a 36 btu condenser. When they were used last summer, they, along with my other electrical household usage, caused an average 30-35kwh daily use. I've since installed new energy efficient windows and R-45 attic insulation with roof underside reflectix, in attic to reduce heat and cooling loss. I've had a fireplace insert, at 1750 sq ft capacity, installed in my fireplace to heat my small 1200 sq ft home. Love it all. Wanting to go solar off grid. I've now cut my use down to half, 13-18kwh daily. I want a system that will suffice for my needs now but also be able to handle my summer month usage of my mini splits. I don't think I will use them as much as I did previous to my window and insulation install, but thinking ahead. Lol. Love your input!! Love your videos!! Looking to possible EG4 Ex 48v 6500 inverter (1 or 2?) With solar panels (#10?) of around 450w size. A bank of 48v EV4 batteries (4?) Have a couple of generators to use as a charger for this system on multiple cloudy day periods. Can you help, please? Thank you!! God Bless. Love the looks of that new bigger EV4 battery with large handles. Keep up the astonishing work you do here!!! You are a Godsend!!
Thanks for all your info will. I installed 5kw battery with a Growatt SPF 3000TL LVM-48P in my camper, I have to Jinko 410 watt panels hooked up and we ran from Tuesday -Sunday no problems at all. Me and my wife and kids had a wonderful weekend off grid. It's all thanks to you, you gave me the confidence in setting it up.
I was waiting for this review and my thoughts were spot on. i bought this because it was the cheapest way in my opinion to get an all in one inverter that would do 240v because most a/c units where i am run on 240v. keep doing what you do bro we appreciate the knowledge and all that you share.
At this point, it looks like Will can power half of Las Vegas from his home! Really appreciate the content. I have been off grid for over a year thanks to the info you and others in the community share. Peace
Perfect! I was on the fence about either buying this new split-phase 6000EX inverter or buying the two 6500EXs and doing the split-phhase wiring while spending twice the money for inverters for that. Bottom line, a single split-phase 6000EX may be a good low-cost entry-level solution for 240V but the 2 x 6500EXs are more efficient and better for my solution that will scale out with more solar panels and batteries anyway. As for the split-phase wiring for 2 x 6500EXs, Will already figured out and posted the blueprint for that on his website. Perfect!
Remember, 2 x 6500EX's at 70W idle consumption each will draw 140W total idle consumption vs 135W for one 6000EX, so no big saving there. Alternatively, get 240Vac by pairing 1x 6500EX plus one mid-point transformer, which together may also draw ~135W, so there's no magic way of lowering idle consumption if you need 240Vac with EG4 units.
@@lewisreford8552 Yes, I remember what he said in this video. I also remember that he said to just add more cheap solar panels to offset the idle consumption, assuming you have the land ... I have the land. Also, I need 240V to run high-end ASIC miners 24/7/365 ... so, there will never be idle consumption with my setup. That's the least of my worries. My priority is to achieve the best efficiency possible over long-term 240V continuous use. For that, Will said to use 2 x 6500EXs and then stack on more pairs as needed.
Just moved off grid on a mountaintop in CO. building a small system for our Cabin until we get a home built. No grid tie. I love your videos. Great info. I was about to just dive in with the Ecoflo Delta pro but think you just saved me a grand. Keep it up and thank you
Will. While the Idle consumption is higher than the EG4 6500 HF inverters, it offers split phase on a single unit. The idle consumption of one 6000ex is less than using a pair of 6500ex units for split phase. If you wanted to compare for the same output, the idle of the 6000EX is actually only 4 watts more than using a pair of 3000ex units according to the data from your previous videos. Plus you get the benefit of an all in one package.
Thank you, Will. I appreciated the discussion of operational efficiency and contrasting more expensive toroidal transformers vs. conventional ones. It reminds me similarly of what I was reading in earlier times with the design philosophies of audio power amplifier technology. The takeaway for me is that Victron's competition will eventually want to figure out how to get a product out there that has a toroidal transformer inside, but at a lower price point.
Living off grid on the sungold version (TP6000). Idle consumption is nothing compared to what these inverters produce. With 4 server rack batteries & 7500 watt array, it is not noticeable. This inverter runs our whole 50 amp rv with electric heater, 2- fridges, 2- 19 amp roof ac a shop with compressor... With 2 paralleled together for 12 kw we never over loaded them either. The batteries are so powerful, we live as though we are plugged into the grid.
I just got one of these a few weeks ago and installed for backup Service only off grid. I jumped on it as soon as I saw it was available at signature solar because it's exactly what I've been looking for. I have been testing during small outages and it's awesome it doesn't even complain when large loads come on. I did notice that I'm having a problem with the LCD displaying the power coming in and loads going out. Other than that the inverter works fine.
Hi Tesla Charged, Great to hear you are happy with this model, I am buying 2 in parallel with 3 batteries and 11K PV, I am so excited and look forward to my first solar system, may I ask for your help if I have difficulties in the future?
@@joechan5240 Enh possible not really good a expert at this yet but I would suggest at least 4 or 20kw of battery's. You need two for each inverter really to run them well. Your idle consumption will be really high like Will said and actually double in your case. Your looking at draining one battery a day if no sun just being on.
Im glad to see this company improving these designs. I have an LVX6048 and the small terminal studs were definitely annoying. Glad to see they fixed those issue. Unfortunately I think I can still see that grounding screw in between the battery terminal studs. It may not be a problem but its scary to have that there.
Will, I'm glad you showcased this inverter, yes it may not be as frugal with the energy at standby as other units but as you pointed out but for large inrush current loads it looks like this unit will shine. I'm planning on having an offgrid shop so something like this inverter would be the ticket. One of the big power draws of the shop will be the TIG welder. The draw will be about half of this units output, the needed inrush current of the welder is like a large induction motor.
Im in the same situation,, I have to move and the new place has no power but i need to run my tig welder, forge, powerhammer, compressor, and large linisher polisher , not all at the same time at least,, bladesmithing requires some power !
I think this is cool but much better to buy 2 of the 6500w versions. Get double the output, double the PV input & it’s dual input, & 2-6500s have the same consumption as this one inverter 👍👍
Another pro for this inverter is you don’t need batteries. They will run off solar alone as long as you have enough PV >150v. 😂 I have the Sungold Power SunBlue version. I love it. After my 1st Sungold power LF 3000 watt 24vdc inverter charger I decided to stick with them. I punished that inverter and it just keeps on ticking. 3yrs and still going flawlessly. I have 2 of the sungold 6048s.
I ordered the PowMr 5500 220 volt inverter, not knowing it is not a two leg 120volt out per leg I thought that was standard for 220 volt here in the US. So I was doing some searching on RUclips to learn more about this unit and this video popped up. The first thing I noted is the 120 / 240 on the front of this unit. So looked into the specks of the PowMr a little closer and indeed it is 220 volts out on a single leg and not two 120 volt legs. So cancelled that thing and I have this unit here on order now. I will be running a 220v welder and a 220v CNC plasma cutter of this thing along with generator support during those operations. I think this will fit perfectly as we can expand this system as needed and that is exactly what I was looking for.
Thanks for making a video on this. I looked at this as a option for my bus build but after seeing the idle consumption, I’ll have to go with a Victron Quattro
So much innovation over 1 year. Glad to see they have a split phase single unit, I'm glad I decided to just get a Bluetti ac200 max for my trailer and waited to build my home system. Maybe if I wait until next summer they will have a newer model with less consumption.
I was wondering if that inverter has a way to turn it on and off by way of an external contact closure? This way you can connect the output to your well pump and when the pump's pressure switch closes, that switch would instead turn the inverter on thereby supplying power to the pump. When the water pressure is sufficient, it opens the circuit to turn the inverter off. If it was only used for a well pump you could get away with a very small solar panel since the well pump doesn't run all that often anyway unless you are watering the lawn or something.
Thanks for all your videos. Now that the all in one stuff is available that'll be my next system, but I'm glad I assembled my system with separate components so I could learn how everything works, with your help of course.
About the transformer efficiency, Very large transformers achieve greater than 99%(grid and data centers). This is achieved by using as much steel in the core as possible to reduce hysteresis losses by staying far away from saturation. In the old days, the rough rule of thumb was 25 to 50 watts per lb. but it is obvious that transformer design and materials have improve very much since the 1960s 🙂
EG4 should come out with a 6000 HF invertor that has the much less standby energy. There would be many of us that don't need two 6500 with a high standby energy. I would love to have one invertor that can do 240v with a standby energy of like 75watts.
Thanks for this review. I'm in the middle of installing a full system (my first) with (2) 6500EXs and my buddy was waiting to see the review before deciding on his.
Whilst Victron's inverters do have various power saving modes this is not the reason Victron's inverters have such low idle draw. The reason is proper electronics design and decent firmware running the show. Pretty much all of these China sourced low frequency inverters are implemented with the same 'family' of circuit design. It's not unusual to see the exact same PCBs in different branded boxes but even when the PCBs are different the circuitry is essentially the same just different layouts. Poor transistor drive waveforms due to bad PCB layouts and poor timing from the firmware is where the high draw comes from. It takes proper deep understanding of how the MOSFETs turn on and off to minimise power dissipation in that section of the inverter and the manufacturers of the Chinese stuff simply do not understand it all or just can't be bothered to do things properly and just copy what has been done in earlier generations of the stuff. There are other areas where energy is lost, but this is a good starting point to understand why these things have high idle draw.
Your reviews are so helpful. With your real life examples and some engineering experience, I understand more than many suppliers, here in México. They want to spec and install a whole system, based on your electric bills alone, and they get nervous when I talk about batteries, fail-over etc. We have brown- and blackouts after rain storms, so I want a system that still works when the grid is down. Many places here will not sell components and US distributors will not ship to México. If you, or anyone here, can recommend component suppliers in México, please let me know!
But the 6500ex needs to be setup in parallel split phase to run 220 into the house correct? I only need to run a few appliances and only one at a time. My Honda 6500 generator runs my constant pressure well no problem. Looking for a solar solution so the 6000ex sounds pretty good. Running two 6500ex's in parallel to get my 220vac, the idle current for both will be 140 watts anyway and would cost more. 3:13 dudes index finger is majorly double jointed! cool!
industrial grade - the 240v is nice option for running servers, plasma machines, welding - great capacity - equipment is getting better and cheaper quickly
Let's say you have a well pump and that's the only appliance that requires a large surge. You could use a second pressure switch (like the one that turns on and off the pump) to turn on an off a big LF inverter to supply the current only when needed for the water demand. And then use a very efficient HF inverter to run 24/7 for loads that require less surge. And, if the LF inverter can safely handle the pump load staying always switched on (pump connected directly to inverter with no switch between inverter and pump), then you need only the one water pressure switch to turn on and off the inverter.
Hi Will, youre making some great content! Another good suggestion would be to switch to a well pump with a soft start motor, avoiding massive in rush currents.
Will. I am seriously thinking about installing this 48V system in my RV. Including at least 1-48 V battery from eg4. I believe the 240 V would be useful to run Hi efficiency ac (Mr cool, etc). But it would be part of a larger upgrade to full solar. I wonder if the loss in Efficiency that you highlight is worth it to get higher efficiency from the Ac. Your stuff is amazing. You’re funny and honest when they piss you off.
The idle consumption on this unit is 115w and for two of the 6500EX models it is 140w so it is still less to get your 240VAC with this model. I just got mine yesterday.
@@WillProwse Have you ever look at your 6500ex under a thermal camera it has a 40 degree Celsius hot spot on the lcd display right by the power button.
You get 25amps continuous on each leg. If you exceed that amperage on either leg for more than 200% for 1 second, 150% for 5 seconds, and 110% for 10 seconds, then the inverter will go into overload protection.
Love your videos, I live off grid and when looking for new batteries to replace my 9 year old rolls Surette lead acid batteries, I find your channel and it helped immensely. I was curious if you've ever used or tested any equipment from Magnum Energy??
Would this be a good option to put into an 50Amp Motorhome to run both sides of the distribution panel via Solar/Battery when boondocking, and pass thru power when connected to shore power?
Question about the idle consumption... So if it's pulling 135w with no loads, what happens if you connect, let's say, a 100 watt load (think internet, router, a switch) that will be running 24/7. In theory, the idle consumption would end up getting added to those load consumption, but I would be curious to know if some of that idle consumption gets "absorbed" in the load. (So instead of 135w + 100w = 235, I wonder if it would end up being something like a 200w total draw when it is running the 100w load). I think that would be an interesting test to see how a constant affects what is pulled from the battery. I am building a partial off-grid system that will run things like my fridge, internet, lights in the house (low-current things). My internet/security items pull roughly 100 watts 24/7. That 135w is a lot to draw 24/7, but if some of that power ends up going toward ALSO running a 24/7 load, I think it would be a little more justifiable.
I just bought the duo 6500 inverter set up with the connection box(BREAKERS) I am thinking of using a single 12 kw 240 volt growatt inverter for my 5ton heat pump along with the 6500 inverters . I thinking that would make a real good set up to start with. should be able to get off the power company my bill for last month was 330 dollaars 62 kw a day). thats alot of money that could be used for enery freedom. Love the reviews and your insights thanks !!!
Reminds me if the Schneider Conex SW. i need to spec a small UPS for my church without solar. This along with AC input and a 48V battery of some size should work to front the tech booths there. Why do we need it? Not really a need but a problem in the restart steps of all the equipment makes it a nice to have. Also may do something like this at home for a small backup power system. Considering for a wholehouse minus HVAC standby.
The higher conductive load capability and higher voltage are the two main advantages in my eyes. That makes this unit more comparable with that new Sol-Ark 5k that was just released.(but still at a much lower price tag. Why is the idle consumption so high? The mppt shouldn’t draw anything. Basic system monitoring function should only draw a few watts. Maybe a sleep mode function for the inverter will fix this? A high end laptop can run on that much energy for 10 hours. Do you have any suggestions for 12 volt load centers with low idle consumption? I know it requires larger wiring but we might avoid conversion losses.
Thank you again for your insight and review. You have been my go to person when it comes to Solar. Details, information and recommendation is what I value. Thanks again! ☮️🙏☯️
Dude for the money, this is a great deal ! Victron no thanks ! Idle consumption 1.3 watts is not bad for what this dose ! Average person leave the house with lights on cell phone chargers plug in, they all use power. Sounds like you are a Victron rep 😀
I think is will be the one for me. I'm setting up my new shipping container shop and will be using a air compressor and welders. At the price one of these and a 48v Battery will be great because in don't have alot of space on my walls
I wanted to build your Ecoflow delta pro dyi alternative but I could never get an answer about how to get a 30amp plug for the 6500 output. After searching online endlessly for an answer on this (of course I have asked you many times but didn't expect an answer) I deduced that the 6500 inverter would not work as a backup to my RV power and it looks like I will have to buy this beast instead.
Got one of these for an off grid studio space that I'm building. Set it up and everything was running fine (or so I thought). Then the electrician who did all the wiring for the space into the main panel said that each leg wasn't giving the proper voltage. L1 was showing 105 and L2 was showing 133. He said, this will NOT pass inspection. I did some reading on the DIY forum and another guy had the same issue and EG4 told him to update the firmware. I did that and change some settings but the voltages haven't changed. This is going to push back my certificate of occupancy for months and the units are all backordered. I had been very satisfied with Signature Solar and these units but my 18K is glitching AND this one is not working properly. I'm starting to regret going with these products.
Great video and content as usual. Thanks! Would be interested in seeing more about AC-coupled inverters specifically that can auto switch and push pull on the grid for time of use type net metering plans to reduce usage during peak hours. Also how can they combine with AC-coupled solar mounted micro inverters (like enphase iq7/iq8, etc). Thanks!
Anyone test the ac couple setting on this 6000ex. I see it in the settings I would like to use for an enphase microgrid (off grid in power outage mode)
Which type of inverter is best to tie to the Public grid system so that I could sell excess power to them and also use battery back up. A system that will not stop if the public electrical grid goes down.
An educational video idea: An inverter to run bigger loads and a small inverter like Victorian electron phoenix(efficient idle) to run small loads at night. Is there a way to automate process like that the big one switches off and the small one takes over. Possible? How to connect everything? It would be great if you could make a short video about it. I really appreciate your channel. All the best. Thank you.
Will, why do you always stick to the inverter technology instead of using panels with microinverters? Much more reliable and easier to monitor each panel performance. Cheers
I do enjoy watching your videos. But I do not have the funds for what you call starter kits. Currently I'm thinking about just an inexpensive inverter, a sealed car battery, and a trickle charger, just to get started. I only wish to start by keeping reliable power to the two things I most want to not lose power in a power outage. One is my cellular booster, since I live in a remote area, and would need that when the power is out. The other is something important to my brother (but also low watts). Later, I would like to charge the battery with a solar panel. Then I can start moving up from there. Maybe add the fridge, if the cheap inverter can handle it. A second battery would double the time I could go without power. It would be nice to be able to go totally off grid eventually. So the types of systems you recommend would have to be used to achieve that.
What sucks up all that idle power? The controller? You said not good for a van. What would be ideal for a van that you wanted to keep cool with a 5000 BTU AC?
what about at night? if you plan to use it 24/7. you need a bigger battery bank to offset the idle consumption at night also. bigger solar and bigger battery.
As a newbie to solar planning, I am overwhelmed! I need to go off grid, but it may take a few years. I am on a well, but do not remember how many HP. It is down 500 ft and I know it takes a large draw to get it going, but it only turns on 2-4 times per day I believe. Due to power company shut-offs during the big fires and or heavy winds, the most important thing is to have this back-up for my well and water booster pump. I need to start small, but want to plan to get the well/booster pump online this summer. I am starting from scratch, and wondering details and best suggestions. Like the idea of this EG4 6000EX. Don't want to waist money going too small at first with the DIY All-in-one. Do you have a class for beginners with all the products you have tested?
Dear Will, thank you for a very informative video on this inverter. I can’t find in the manual on the length of wire I am allowed to use from the inverter output to my sub-panel. Due to the configuration of my home, there is no way I can install this inverter to my sub-panel. I am looking at 85 feet and was planning to run 6WG. Would this be enough?
If your running well pumps or industrial motors and heavy duty electrical equipment. install a soft start like Schneider ATS01N109FT Soft Start Motor Starter. This will take a ton of torque amp load off your electrical system.
6000EX-48HU is a good inverter but it takes a lot of electricity even if it does nothing... Maybe it is easier just to add a step-up transformer to 3000EHV-48 and you have 240v?
Thanks so much for this! You keep mentioning well pump with this one and that is exactly what I'm looking for my setup to handle without getting stupid expensive. Question if you have the time, if I get one of these and one of the EG4 48v (just one), would that work to run a well pump? My well pump is 240v and I believe it is around 5hp. It does have a small tank to hold pressure so I would only turn on the system, turn on the pump to build pressure in the tank (usually only takes a minute or 2) and when the pump is done turn the system off till I need to build up pressure again. So basically, only short bursts or surges as needed. I believe the inverter itself can do this, but really, I want to make sure one battery would be enough or do I need to two to be safe. Over time, I would definitely get another battery, just looking to keep the budget low initially. Thanks again!
Am I correct that the idle consumption would be about the same as the lv6048 if the inverter on both is turned off and I'm only using the charger? Does this unit have the capability of having the inverter turned off with grid power passing through it to the load and a setting to automatically start the inverter when the battery reaches a set high point and turn off again at a set low point. Thanks for all the videos and info!
If you're looking for a super capable 240-volt in a single unit, idle consumption less than two 6500's and no need for huge full-time output wattage. Here you go !!!
Great video Will, I have two of these in parallel in my pump house, one runs pump and a few low load items, the other i turn on when i want to run the house off grid (power failure). The tops get pretty hot to touch, even under no load while charging but your explanation of the transformer size, location and type explains that. A question for you or the group is A/C input. I have never gotten the AC input (pole power or generator) to do anything, I see the symbol on the screen that the unit "sees" the AC in, but the unit will not use it to charge the battery (even with PV off) nor will it pass it through to the AC out to the load. Any thoughts from WIll or the group?
I am in the brainstorming part of going solar for my whole home/workshop. I want to start small and get the home off grid and grow from there. I don't mind spending money on a good All-in-one. 6500EX x1 + used solar panels + diy battery rack for the house. Would it be better to upgrade with another 6500 or get a 6000 for the shop? Biggest load is a 120v welder atm for the shop.
Great video always, but can we talk about you bent your finger backwards at 3:13 just to point at some terminals? I might have screamed a little bit. You got some Ehlors Danlos there, young man.
I was really looking at this for my RV until I saw the weight! Now I'm thinking of using the EG4 6500ex. Got any suggestions on how to feed both legs of my panel automatically?
3.2KWh per day of idle consumption. You cannot offset that with just panels, because panels can only offset while the sun is hitting them pretty directly. For the rest of the day AND the entirety of your cloudy days, that 3.2KWh must come from precious storage, and that's the most costly part. So you don't just need two extra panels; you also need an extra battery (basically another 48V 100Ah $1500 battery.... just to keep the inverter turned on). And on those consecutive days of cloudy weather, 3.2KWh EVERY DAY! So let's say you spent $9k on six batteries; half your storage will be depleted over four cloudy days, just to keep your electricity on!
Product Links (affiliate):
6000EX: signaturesolar.com/eg4-6k-off-grid-inverter-6000ex-48hv/?ref=cPwLcVc0SW-BjN
6500EX (my favorite): signaturesolar.com/eg4-6-5k-off-grid-inverter-6500ex-48/?ref=cPwLcVc0SW-BjN
Complete 48V Offgrid System Blueprint: www.mobile-solarpower.com/48v-complete-system-blueprint.html
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Is the 6000EX UL listed like the 6500EX? Which would be recommend for running split system AC units (heat pumps)? The start surge of the compressors on the split ACs can be quite high.
Which is better this brand or mpp. The reason why I ask, I only need a 220 system too feed into my property.
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So supposedly, Signature Solar is offering an Upgrade to this XP Version in exchange for any Older EX Versions purchased prior to 2024. Not sure why, but they will even cover the Shipping Cost of your old EG4 Inverter, and Upgrade you to the XP for HALF it's Price!!??
I understand the 6k EX is NO LONGER IN PRODUCTION (but it makes me wonder, WHY?). Are they having supply chain issues perhaps with their Transformers?
Why are they SO willing to offer you a half price upgrade when their Customer Service otherwise hasn't been that great? (according to this video).
Should I pay the $750 to upgrade my EG4 6k EX to the EG4 6K XP?
You have no idea how reassuring these uploads are Will. I'm about to spend a small fortune on a large system and truly I would never have had the confidence had I not been a subscriber to your channel for years. The service that you have provided to this community and this industry is immeasurable. Thank you.
What did ya buy?
So true! Thanks Will.
AMEN! Will is the man on solar stuff!!
I'd hold off on these... Signature told me to "wait until we get the firmware upgrade".... I had $19k sitting in my solar closet and they want people to wait... Stop selling these until you figure it out guys.
Amen to this
Thanks for all your work, I learned a lot about DIY solar systems and I’m even more encouraged to work hard and built my own in the near future, good job, Jim from South Africa 🇿🇦
I really appreciate this channel, I stumbled across it researching a Jackery - and now an entire world of solar stuff has been opened up to me. I had zero clue about anything from this industry prior. It really makes me wonder what else I don't know about our world. So cool. Thanks for the informative videos and keep it up!
Just a note on the idle consumption, this being a single 240v split-phase unit, you've basically got 2 inverters in one, so a fair comparison in terms of idle current draw would be matching it to 2 3000w inverters running in split-phase. I'm guessing it would only draw about 35w more, which isn't terrible considering the space-savings and less wiring you would need. The 6500EX x2 idle consumption would be higher than this for running split phase, although you'd have twice the overall wattage and more solar inputs, but that might be overkill for many people. Just something to consider when comparing this to other inverters in 240v split-phase configurations.
Great points
Layman's terms, please. I'm 65, but teachable. We have a couple of mr cool hvac split system units with a 36 btu condenser. When they were used last summer, they, along with my other electrical household usage, caused an average 30-35kwh daily use. I've since installed new energy efficient windows and R-45 attic insulation with roof underside reflectix, in attic to reduce heat and cooling loss. I've had a fireplace insert, at 1750 sq ft capacity, installed in my fireplace to heat my small 1200 sq ft home. Love it all. Wanting to go solar off grid. I've now cut my use down to half, 13-18kwh daily. I want a system that will suffice for my needs now but also be able to handle my summer month usage of my mini splits. I don't think I will use them as much as I did previous to my window and insulation install, but thinking ahead. Lol. Love your input!! Love your videos!! Looking to possible EG4 Ex 48v 6500 inverter (1 or 2?) With solar panels (#10?) of around 450w size. A bank of 48v EV4 batteries (4?) Have a couple of generators to use as a charger for this system on multiple cloudy day periods. Can you help, please? Thank you!! God Bless. Love the looks of that new bigger EV4 battery with large handles. Keep up the astonishing work you do here!!! You are a Godsend!!
Thanks for all your info will. I installed 5kw battery with a Growatt SPF 3000TL LVM-48P in my camper, I have to Jinko 410 watt panels hooked up and we ran from Tuesday -Sunday no problems at all. Me and my wife and kids had a wonderful weekend off grid. It's all thanks to you, you gave me the confidence in setting it up.
this is by far the best solar power university on the internet. you should teach classes! thank you for doing it all here for free
I was waiting for this review and my thoughts were spot on. i bought this because it was the cheapest way in my opinion to get an all in one inverter that would do 240v because most a/c units where i am run on 240v. keep doing what you do bro we appreciate the knowledge and all that you share.
I don't know you, but, I must say thank you my friend! Your timing on this video is impeccable.
At this point, it looks like Will can power half of Las Vegas from his home!
Really appreciate the content. I have been off grid for over a year thanks to the info you and others in the community share. Peace
Perfect! I was on the fence about either buying this new split-phase 6000EX inverter or buying the two 6500EXs and doing the split-phhase wiring while spending twice the money for inverters for that.
Bottom line, a single split-phase 6000EX may be a good low-cost entry-level solution for 240V but the 2 x 6500EXs are more efficient and better for my solution that will scale out with more solar panels and batteries anyway. As for the split-phase wiring for 2 x 6500EXs, Will already figured out and posted the blueprint for that on his website. Perfect!
Remember, 2 x 6500EX's at 70W idle consumption each will draw 140W total idle consumption vs 135W for one 6000EX, so no big saving there. Alternatively, get 240Vac by pairing 1x 6500EX plus one mid-point transformer, which together may also draw ~135W, so there's no magic way of lowering idle consumption if you need 240Vac with EG4 units.
@@lewisreford8552 Yes, I remember what he said in this video. I also remember that he said to just add more cheap solar panels to offset the idle consumption, assuming you have the land ... I have the land. Also, I need 240V to run high-end ASIC miners 24/7/365 ... so, there will never be idle consumption with my setup. That's the least of my worries. My priority is to achieve the best efficiency possible over long-term 240V continuous use. For that, Will said to use 2 x 6500EXs and then stack on more pairs as needed.
Just moved off grid on a mountaintop in CO. building a small system for our Cabin until we get a home built. No grid tie. I love your videos. Great info. I was about to just dive in with the Ecoflo Delta pro but think you just saved me a grand. Keep it up and thank you
Will. While the Idle consumption is higher than the EG4 6500 HF inverters, it offers split phase on a single unit. The idle consumption of one 6000ex is less than using a pair of 6500ex units for split phase.
If you wanted to compare for the same output, the idle of the 6000EX is actually only 4 watts more than using a pair of 3000ex units according to the data from your previous videos. Plus you get the benefit of an all in one package.
the idle consumption is crazy on this model. Thanks again for such a great video.
Thank you, Will. I appreciated the discussion of operational efficiency and contrasting more expensive toroidal transformers vs. conventional ones. It reminds me similarly of what I was reading in earlier times with the design philosophies of audio power amplifier technology. The takeaway for me is that Victron's competition will eventually want to figure out how to get a product out there that has a toroidal transformer inside, but at a lower price point.
Living off grid on the sungold version (TP6000). Idle consumption is nothing compared to what these inverters produce. With 4 server rack batteries & 7500 watt array, it is not noticeable. This inverter runs our whole 50 amp rv with electric heater, 2- fridges, 2- 19 amp roof ac a shop with compressor... With 2 paralleled together for 12 kw we never over loaded them either. The batteries are so powerful, we live as though we are plugged into the grid.
I just got one of these a few weeks ago and installed for backup Service only off grid. I jumped on it as soon as I saw it was available at signature solar because it's exactly what I've been looking for. I have been testing during small outages and it's awesome it doesn't even complain when large loads come on. I did notice that I'm having a problem with the LCD displaying the power coming in and loads going out. Other than that the inverter works fine.
Hi Tesla Charged, Great to hear you are happy with this model, I am buying 2 in parallel with 3 batteries and 11K PV, I am so excited and look forward to my first solar system, may I ask for your help if I have difficulties in the future?
@@joechan5240 Enh possible not really good a expert at this yet but I would suggest at least 4 or 20kw of battery's. You need two for each inverter really to run them well. Your idle consumption will be really high like Will said and actually double in your case. Your looking at draining one battery a day if no sun just being on.
Im glad to see this company improving these designs. I have an LVX6048 and the small terminal studs were definitely annoying. Glad to see they fixed those issue. Unfortunately I think I can still see that grounding screw in between the battery terminal studs. It may not be a problem but its scary to have that there.
Will, I'm glad you showcased this inverter, yes it may not be as frugal with the energy at standby as other units but as you pointed out but for large inrush current loads it looks like this unit will shine.
I'm planning on having an offgrid shop so something like this inverter would be the ticket. One of the big power draws of the shop will be the TIG welder. The draw will be about half of this units output, the needed inrush current of the welder is like a large induction motor.
Im in the same situation,, I have to move and the new place has no power but i need to run my tig welder, forge, powerhammer, compressor, and large linisher polisher , not all at the same time at least,, bladesmithing requires some power !
@@hugokappes4077 yes blade making is power hungry just like making aircraft parts
This is amazing! The split phase output is awesome!
I think this is cool but much better to buy 2 of the 6500w versions. Get double the output, double the PV input & it’s dual input, & 2-6500s have the same consumption as this one inverter 👍👍
I just two 6500 in. Can't wait till I get time to build everything I got 6 battery's with it
Indeed. This unit only makes sense in odd numbers
Another pro for this inverter is you don’t need batteries. They will run off solar alone as long as you have enough PV >150v. 😂 I have the Sungold Power SunBlue version. I love it. After my 1st Sungold power LF 3000 watt 24vdc inverter charger I decided to stick with them. I punished that inverter and it just keeps on ticking. 3yrs and still going flawlessly. I have 2 of the sungold 6048s.
Thx for the vids I smile every time I see a notification from you
I ordered the PowMr 5500 220 volt inverter, not knowing it is not a two leg 120volt out per leg I thought that was standard for 220 volt here in the US. So I was doing some searching on RUclips to learn more about this unit and this video popped up. The first thing I noted is the 120 / 240 on the front of this unit. So looked into the specks of the PowMr a little closer and indeed it is 220 volts out on a single leg and not two 120 volt legs. So cancelled that thing and I have this unit here on order now. I will be running a 220v welder and a 220v CNC plasma cutter of this thing along with generator support during those operations. I think this will fit perfectly as we can expand this system as needed and that is exactly what I was looking for.
This is why I like sending people to your videos. you always try to get the new products and review them asap
Thanks for making a video on this. I looked at this as a option for my bus build but after seeing the idle consumption, I’ll have to go with a Victron Quattro
So much innovation over 1 year. Glad to see they have a split phase single unit, I'm glad I decided to just get a Bluetti ac200 max for my trailer and waited to build my home system. Maybe if I wait until next summer they will have a newer model with less consumption.
I was wondering if that inverter has a way to turn it on and off by way of an external contact closure? This way you can connect the output to your well pump and when the pump's pressure switch closes, that switch would instead turn the inverter on thereby supplying power to the pump. When the water pressure is sufficient, it opens the circuit to turn the inverter off. If it was only used for a well pump you could get away with a very small solar panel since the well pump doesn't run all that often anyway unless you are watering the lawn or something.
Thanks for all your videos. Now that the all in one stuff is available that'll be my next system, but I'm glad I assembled my system with separate components so I could learn how everything works, with your help of course.
About the transformer efficiency, Very large transformers achieve greater than 99%(grid and data centers). This is achieved by using as much steel in the core as possible to reduce hysteresis losses by staying far away from saturation. In the old days, the rough rule of thumb was 25 to 50 watts per lb. but it is obvious that transformer design and materials have improve very much since the 1960s 🙂
For the price, this is next to impossible to beat.
EG4 should come out with a 6000 HF invertor that has the much less standby energy. There would be many of us that don't need two 6500 with a high standby energy. I would love to have one invertor that can do 240v with a standby energy of like 75watts.
I feel so inadequate… an 8:20 minutes video was posted 6 minutes ago, and nine persons have already commented on it… anyway, keep the good work Will!
Thanks for this review. I'm in the middle of installing a full system (my first) with (2) 6500EXs and my buddy was waiting to see the review before deciding on his.
Whilst Victron's inverters do have various power saving modes this is not the reason Victron's inverters have such low idle draw. The reason is proper electronics design and decent firmware running the show. Pretty much all of these China sourced low frequency inverters are implemented with the same 'family' of circuit design. It's not unusual to see the exact same PCBs in different branded boxes but even when the PCBs are different the circuitry is essentially the same just different layouts. Poor transistor drive waveforms due to bad PCB layouts and poor timing from the firmware is where the high draw comes from. It takes proper deep understanding of how the MOSFETs turn on and off to minimise power dissipation in that section of the inverter and the manufacturers of the Chinese stuff simply do not understand it all or just can't be bothered to do things properly and just copy what has been done in earlier generations of the stuff. There are other areas where energy is lost, but this is a good starting point to understand why these things have high idle draw.
Your reviews are so helpful.
With your real life examples and some engineering experience, I understand more than many suppliers, here in México. They want to spec and install a whole system, based on your electric bills alone, and they get nervous when I talk about batteries, fail-over etc. We have brown- and blackouts after rain storms, so I want a system that still works when the grid is down.
Many places here will not sell components and US distributors will not ship to México. If you, or anyone here, can recommend component suppliers in México, please let me know!
But the 6500ex needs to be setup in parallel split phase to run 220 into the house correct? I only need to run a few appliances and only one at a time. My Honda 6500 generator runs my constant pressure well no problem. Looking for a solar solution so the 6000ex sounds pretty good. Running two 6500ex's in parallel to get my 220vac, the idle current for both will be 140 watts anyway and would cost more.
3:13 dudes index finger is majorly double jointed! cool!
industrial grade - the 240v is nice option for running servers, plasma machines, welding - great capacity - equipment is getting better and cheaper quickly
Thanks for the good review and comparison. As always a good breakdown of the specifics!
Let's say you have a well pump and that's the only appliance that requires a large surge. You could use a second pressure switch (like the one that turns on and off the pump) to turn on an off a big LF inverter to supply the current only when needed for the water demand. And then use a very efficient HF inverter to run 24/7 for loads that require less surge.
And, if the LF inverter can safely handle the pump load staying always switched on (pump connected directly to inverter with no switch between inverter and pump), then you need only the one water pressure switch to turn on and off the inverter.
Hi Will, youre making some great content! Another good suggestion would be to switch to a well pump with a soft start motor, avoiding massive in rush currents.
Will. I am seriously thinking about installing this 48V system in my RV. Including at least 1-48 V battery from eg4. I believe the 240 V would be useful to run Hi efficiency ac (Mr cool, etc). But it would be part of a larger upgrade to full solar. I wonder if the loss in Efficiency that you highlight is worth it to get higher efficiency from the Ac. Your stuff is amazing. You’re funny and honest when they piss you off.
I can't wait to see the review of the EG Gen 2 battery. Thank you for your work
A soft starter would be an option for hard surge draw no?
Hey! You finally figured out a video to make😂 That’s gotta be the hardest part, good job Will!
The idle consumption on this unit is 115w and for two of the 6500EX models it is 140w so it is still less to get your 240VAC with this model. I just got mine yesterday.
2X 6500EX do 13,000W
Really depends on your loads and use case
@@WillProwse Yep. I am using it as a backup for running a well and a few other things. Not a whole home replacement. Good point.
The idle consumptin of the 6500's is only 70w. Maybe you're measuring idle consumption under a heavy load.
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Have you ever look at your 6500ex under a thermal camera it has a 40 degree Celsius hot spot on the lcd display right by the power button.
What’s best for a well pump? Ideally would be nice to leave the system running 24/7 to get the water from the well.
Finally!! I'd like to know how it handles load imbalance when you test it
You get 25amps continuous on each leg. If you exceed that amperage on either leg for more than 200% for 1 second, 150% for 5 seconds, and 110% for 10 seconds, then the inverter will go into overload protection.
Can't wait for the solark 15k review!
Thank you for always bringing us such great content!!!
Love your videos, I live off grid and when looking for new batteries to replace my 9 year old rolls Surette lead acid batteries, I find your channel and it helped immensely. I was curious if you've ever used or tested any equipment from Magnum Energy??
Would this be a good option to put into an 50Amp Motorhome to run both sides of the distribution panel via Solar/Battery when boondocking, and pass thru power when connected to shore power?
Question about the idle consumption... So if it's pulling 135w with no loads, what happens if you connect, let's say, a 100 watt load (think internet, router, a switch) that will be running 24/7. In theory, the idle consumption would end up getting added to those load consumption, but I would be curious to know if some of that idle consumption gets "absorbed" in the load. (So instead of 135w + 100w = 235, I wonder if it would end up being something like a 200w total draw when it is running the 100w load). I think that would be an interesting test to see how a constant affects what is pulled from the battery. I am building a partial off-grid system that will run things like my fridge, internet, lights in the house (low-current things). My internet/security items pull roughly 100 watts 24/7. That 135w is a lot to draw 24/7, but if some of that power ends up going toward ALSO running a 24/7 load, I think it would be a little more justifiable.
I just bought the duo 6500 inverter set up with the connection box(BREAKERS) I am thinking of using a single 12 kw 240 volt growatt inverter for my 5ton heat pump along with the 6500 inverters . I thinking that would make a real good set up to start with. should be able to get off the power company my bill for last month was 330 dollaars 62 kw a day). thats alot of money that could be used for enery freedom. Love the reviews and your insights thanks !!!
Reminds me if the Schneider Conex SW. i need to spec a small UPS for my church without solar. This along with AC input and a 48V battery of some size should work to front the tech booths there. Why do we need it? Not really a need but a problem in the restart steps of all the equipment makes it a nice to have. Also may do something like this at home for a small backup power system. Considering for a wholehouse minus HVAC standby.
The higher conductive load capability and higher voltage are the two main advantages in my eyes. That makes this unit more comparable with that new Sol-Ark 5k that was just released.(but still at a much lower price tag.
Why is the idle consumption so high? The mppt shouldn’t draw anything. Basic system monitoring function should only draw a few watts. Maybe a sleep mode function for the inverter will fix this? A high end laptop can run on that much energy for 10 hours.
Do you have any suggestions for 12 volt load centers with low idle consumption? I know it requires larger wiring but we might avoid conversion losses.
I wish these guys had a UK distributer, looking to make my own solar install
Damn, I was ready to jump on this but 136 watt idol consumption, ouch, I will keep looking, Thanks Will
Thanks for the information. I am buying the EG4 6500-EX for my use.
Thank you again for your insight and review. You have been my go to person when it comes to Solar. Details, information and recommendation is what I value. Thanks again! ☮️🙏☯️
Dude for the money, this is a great deal ! Victron no thanks ! Idle consumption 1.3 watts is not bad for what this dose ! Average person leave the house with lights on cell phone chargers plug in, they all use power. Sounds like you are a Victron rep 😀
A nice product. It might run my home! I have several 240vac devices and a 48kva backup generator.
I think is will be the one for me. I'm setting up my new shipping container shop and will be using a air compressor and welders. At the price one of these and a 48v Battery will be great because in don't have alot of space on my walls
I wanted to build your Ecoflow delta pro dyi alternative but I could never get an answer about how to get a 30amp plug for the 6500 output. After searching online endlessly for an answer on this (of course I have asked you many times but didn't expect an answer) I deduced that the 6500 inverter would not work as a backup to my RV power and it looks like I will have to buy this beast instead.
Are the 130W idle losses also lost during use? Is that energy always being wasted, or only wasted when there's no load?
Idle consumption is all day long with a load or without.
Got one of these for an off grid studio space that I'm building. Set it up and everything was running fine (or so I thought). Then the electrician who did all the wiring for the space into the main panel said that each leg wasn't giving the proper voltage. L1 was showing 105 and L2 was showing 133. He said, this will NOT pass inspection. I did some reading on the DIY forum and another guy had the same issue and EG4 told him to update the firmware. I did that and change some settings but the voltages haven't changed. This is going to push back my certificate of occupancy for months and the units are all backordered. I had been very satisfied with Signature Solar and these units but my 18K is glitching AND this one is not working properly. I'm starting to regret going with these products.
Great video and content as usual. Thanks!
Would be interested in seeing more about AC-coupled inverters specifically that can auto switch and push pull on the grid for time of use type net metering plans to reduce usage during peak hours. Also how can they combine with AC-coupled solar mounted micro inverters (like enphase iq7/iq8, etc). Thanks!
Anyone test the ac couple setting on this 6000ex. I see it in the settings I would like to use for an enphase microgrid (off grid in power outage mode)
Hi Will, love your channel. It’s super informative, keep up the good work 👍🤠
This could be the one
I was about to pull the trigger on this model. But the idle consumption totally is a deal breaker.
Which type of inverter is best to tie to the Public grid system so that I could sell excess power to them and also use battery back up. A system that will not stop if the public electrical grid goes down.
An educational video idea: An inverter to run bigger loads and a small inverter like Victorian electron phoenix(efficient idle) to run small loads at night. Is there a way to automate process like that the big one switches off and the small one takes over. Possible? How to connect everything? It would be great if you could make a short video about it.
I really appreciate your channel. All the best. Thank you.
Will, why do you always stick to the inverter technology instead of using panels with microinverters? Much more reliable and easier to monitor each panel performance. Cheers
I do enjoy watching your videos. But I do not have the funds for what you call starter kits. Currently I'm thinking about just an inexpensive inverter, a sealed car battery, and a trickle charger, just to get started. I only wish to start by keeping reliable power to the two things I most want to not lose power in a power outage. One is my cellular booster, since I live in a remote area, and would need that when the power is out. The other is something important to my brother (but also low watts). Later, I would like to charge the battery with a solar panel. Then I can start moving up from there. Maybe add the fridge, if the cheap inverter can handle it. A second battery would double the time I could go without power. It would be nice to be able to go totally off grid eventually. So the types of systems you recommend would have to be used to achieve that.
How massive is a massive well pump? At what point is the 6509 having problems?
What sucks up all that idle power? The controller? You said not good for a van. What would be ideal for a van that you wanted to keep cool with a 5000 BTU AC?
Sneak peak of the new eg4 battery there, 👍
I have been looking at this inverter, but I'm not sold on it yet. Would have been nice with an output of 8000 watts or more. Thanks for the review.
As cheap as they are you could just stack them if you need that much power
what about at night? if you plan to use it 24/7. you need a bigger battery bank to offset the idle consumption at night also. bigger solar and bigger battery.
Yes absolutely
As a newbie to solar planning, I am overwhelmed! I need to go off grid, but it may take a few years. I am on a well, but do not remember how many HP. It is down 500 ft and I know it takes a large draw to get it going, but it only turns on 2-4 times per day I believe. Due to power company shut-offs during the big fires and or heavy winds, the most important thing is to have this back-up for my well and water booster pump. I need to start small, but want to plan to get the well/booster pump online this summer. I am starting from scratch, and wondering details and best suggestions. Like the idea of this EG4 6000EX. Don't want to waist money going too small at first with the DIY All-in-one. Do you have a class for beginners with all the products you have tested?
Dear Will, thank you for a very informative video on this inverter. I can’t find in the manual on the length of wire I am allowed to use from the inverter output to my sub-panel. Due to the configuration of my home, there is no way I can install this inverter to my sub-panel. I am looking at 85 feet and was planning to run 6WG. Would this be enough?
Excellent, to the point vid as usual.
If your running well pumps or industrial motors and heavy duty electrical equipment. install a soft start like Schneider ATS01N109FT Soft Start Motor Starter.
This will take a ton of torque amp load off your electrical system.
6000EX-48HU is a good inverter but it takes a lot of electricity even if it does nothing... Maybe it is easier just to add a step-up transformer to 3000EHV-48 and you have 240v?
Which is a better option for big motors and HVAC? This inverter or use an EasyStart soft starter?
The manual says 2760 watts idle for the day versus 3200. I run a small system so this is good news.
I wish Victron had one this size
Thanks so much for this! You keep mentioning well pump with this one and that is exactly what I'm looking for my setup to handle without getting stupid expensive.
Question if you have the time, if I get one of these and one of the EG4 48v (just one), would that work to run a well pump? My well pump is 240v and I believe it is around 5hp. It does have a small tank to hold pressure so I would only turn on the system, turn on the pump to build pressure in the tank (usually only takes a minute or 2) and when the pump is done turn the system off till I need to build up pressure again. So basically, only short bursts or surges as needed. I believe the inverter itself can do this, but really, I want to make sure one battery would be enough or do I need to two to be safe. Over time, I would definitely get another battery, just looking to keep the budget low initially.
Thanks again!
Just 250K subs to go Will.
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Does the PV keep charging with the inverter off? I would like to use it just for the charger and back up inverter.
Am I correct that the idle consumption would be about the same as the lv6048 if the inverter on both is turned off and I'm only using the charger? Does this unit have the capability of having the inverter turned off with grid power passing through it to the load and a setting to automatically start the inverter when the battery reaches a set high point and turn off again at a set low point.
Thanks for all the videos and info!
If you're looking for a super capable 240-volt in a single unit, idle consumption less than two 6500's and no need for huge full-time output wattage. Here you go !!!
Great video Will, I have two of these in parallel in my pump house, one runs pump and a few low load items, the other i turn on when i want to run the house off grid (power failure). The tops get pretty hot to touch, even under no load while charging but your explanation of the transformer size, location and type explains that. A question for you or the group is A/C input. I have never gotten the AC input (pole power or generator) to do anything, I see the symbol on the screen that the unit "sees" the AC in, but the unit will not use it to charge the battery (even with PV off) nor will it pass it through to the AC out to the load. Any thoughts from WIll or the group?
I am in the brainstorming part of going solar for my whole home/workshop. I want to start small and get the home off grid and grow from there. I don't mind spending money on a good All-in-one.
6500EX x1 + used solar panels + diy battery rack for the house. Would it be better to upgrade with another 6500 or get a 6000 for the shop? Biggest load is a 120v welder atm for the shop.
Great video always, but can we talk about you bent your finger backwards at 3:13 just to point at some terminals? I might have screamed a little bit. You got some Ehlors Danlos there, young man.
When they get their UL cert for California, this will be a contender with the Sol-ArK. At 1/7 the price there is a market
I need this and I ordered one specifically for my hot tub lol.
I was really looking at this for my RV until I saw the weight! Now I'm thinking of using the EG4 6500ex. Got any suggestions on how to feed both legs of my panel automatically?
Will this unit do awesome in my RV/Skoolie...?
3.2KWh per day of idle consumption.
You cannot offset that with just panels, because panels can only offset while the sun is hitting them pretty directly. For the rest of the day AND the entirety of your cloudy days, that 3.2KWh must come from precious storage, and that's the most costly part. So you don't just need two extra panels; you also need an extra battery (basically another 48V 100Ah $1500 battery.... just to keep the inverter turned on).
And on those consecutive days of cloudy weather, 3.2KWh EVERY DAY! So let's say you spent $9k on six batteries; half your storage will be depleted over four cloudy days, just to keep your electricity on!