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The last scene with the Joel Ellie flashback absolutely had me in tears. The dialogue is so perfectly written and it talks about how Ellie feels about the meaning of her life being ripped away from her. It’s the first time I’ve full on cried at a game and I wish the game could’ve ended with that scene.
That scene really killed me. The fact that Joel and Ellie were going to reconcile and he dies a day later is so heartbreaking.
Yeah, I had tears in my eyes during that part. It was incredibly hard to watch but impossible to look away from. That was the perfect scene to close the game off with. Such a beautifully delivered scene on the behalf’s of Troy Baker and Ashley Johnson.
I legit cried as soon as I saw that scene all the way until the end of the credits
Yeah but what bothered me a lot was that the game ended with a lot of questions and we don’t know if tlou3 will release and if it did that could be a long time .
Umm it kinda did end with that scene
I feel so similar to how you feel in this game... the song Joel sings and the weight that holds throughout the game with Ellie playing it... 😭
Joel isnt dead.....
So far, by what they presented in part 2, their gonna blow our minds again
Facts. It was so sad when Ellie was playing it with her missing fingers knowing damn well that she almost completely lost herself :(
You mean the song that's so on the nose and so hilariously transparent
This is the absolute best review on this game that I have seen. You´re totally fair to the game, pointing out the reason why you like the game but more important acknowledge the flaws about game and still stick with your opinions. As you said this game might age well and people might appriciate it later no matter if you like it or not, this game is going to turn out to be a game we all remember beacuse it took risks and didn't follow the safe "hollywood story" route. I'm still effected by this game emotianally and it has made me feel something and that is the reason I play videogames, no matter if I agree with the game developers or not about the game.
Only 33% have finished as of a couple days ago so I think with time more will finish it and think it was GoTY
@@dereksmidl8352 I highly doubt that. Too divisive to get the support needed. I can't think of a divisive GOTY in recent years
100% agree. Is it possible to have withdrawals from a game? Sure, I can play them both again, but don’t you just want to be there and see what happens to these people? This world?
Such a good comment
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Surprised that someone said they like the game and didn't get 90% dislikes. I loved this game so much and people should really give it a chance.
I give it a chance. Like I give a chance to Last Jedi and GOT season 8.
I played the game, and tried to keep an open mind.. Sorry the story is trash... if it wasn't a sequel and didn't disrespect the first game, it would have been an awesome game... That being said, you can't ignore that they lied in marketing, took part in illegal dmca strikes, and crunch their employees and strained their freedom of speech while working on the game. I'd give it a fairer chance if any of these things were not true.
Chipotle3114 can you please tell me how it disrespected the first game what did you want this game to be a game where Joel and Ellie go on another adventure that just isn’t the last of us
Even though I didn't think the story was great and disagreed with the video, it's pretty fucking immature to dislike some ones video because they have a different opinion
@@Chipotle-ep9yi I loved the game but at least you gave a realistic opinion on why you disliked it, and you've played the game, youre not just some 12 year old metacritic bomber
Finally, some actual discussion instead of memes about Kratos not killing Zeus, Neil Druckmann’s self insert and people thinking Abby is trans.
there’s literally hundreds of videos of critiques that don’t include those points...
Subverted plenty of it on Twitter
This comment gives me hope ♡
finally?
I honestly loved the trans sex scene with Abby ♥️ it made me as a trans feel represented in 2020 in a game I love♥️ I love Neil for making it happen ♥️
I’ve been waiting for this...
You dont even know
“I’ve been looking forward to this”
@@dweetsauce8513 "My powers have doubled since the last time we met"
You're gonna carry that weight spike
Basically this sounds like it’s going to be like days gone where everyone seemed to hate it at first though unlike this got bad or average reviews but then after people actually finished playing it they realised it was pretty damn good.
This is the only TLoU comment section that isn’t just blindly hating on the game
Beware the peanut gallery.
Blindly?? So the games perfect then yeah ?
@@bigyeet3213 I think it is
Big Yeet no game is. But if you can’t admit there is an insane amount of blind hate, maybe you’re part of it
@@FHD80057 You can't say it's blind hate when you can get a legit answer as to why they hate the game if you ask. That's not what blind rage is. The story isn't deep or hard to understand.
thank you for explaining that link between the ending and joel and Ellie's last conversation about wanting to try to forgive him. im glad someone finally mentioned it
Finally an unbiased review. Someone finally draws parallels to Joel’s and Ellie’s story to Abbys. How life keeps going full circle. I thought the narrative was brilliant. Good job mate.
Except Joel and Ellie built a relationship over the course of a full year and Abby just falls in love with Lev outta nowhere so while the parallels are definitely MEANT to be there, no they do not actually succeed in creating that relationship other than through the writing technique "because I told you so now accept it and don't dare think about the gap in logic here"
No one missed these parallels. They’re so obvious they could have been presented to the player in a line graph
@@zeiters2055 i doubt that
I get what they were going for, I’m still annoyed that I played as Abby for half the game. Especially the second half.
Yeah playing as Abby for 10 hours was unnecessary and I would’ve been fine with half that time
She can actually still play the guitar. All she gotta do is learn how to play left handed.
I'm sure we'll see that in Part 3
DLC is finding tapes of Jimi Hendrix. Ellie then becomes a rockstar and dies at 27
Shed need to get a left handed guitar. If she flipped her guitar around the low E and the high e would be flipped. And with those fingers gone limits her ability to do finger style, which is the guitar skill that she has developed the most. Even if she got a left handed guitar she'd have to learn all over again
That and she has to get use to guitar picks, finger style ain’t it
Ace2409 all she needs is a ps4 and dual shock controller 😂
This actually kinda changed my perspective to a more positive light..
This brings a tear to my eye, the haters have been so toxic it’s hurt my soul
I went into this game completely blind. I only saw the original gameplay/dance scene trailer. I avoided all of the drama/politics, and just locked myself away for 3 days and played the game. And without a doubt, it was the best gaming experience I've arguably ever had (Even more so than the first, but also due to the first). I feel far too many people went in with this unfair bias of wanting to hate the game. Like the review bombing started the second people could review the game on metacritic. Every criticism I've seen so far I just think "..That's the point! It was intentional!". If this game is "bad writing" then so is any classic book that kills off a great character in a messed up way.
uhuhuh1966 I wouldn’t call everyone that dislike the game haters.. most have valid reasons for not liking the game.
@@paul19519 When the game gets more reviews (More than double) in the first 3 hours of Metacritic user reviews coming out, than what the OG game got in 7 years. I'd say they're unfairly judging a game they've never played.
If you didn't enjoy the story after you played it, sure by all means criticize it. But I think they're in the minority compared to the hate mob currently losing their mind for mostly political reasons.
Travis Cue by that logic in those 3 hours there were a lot of positive reviews there also.. an they didn’t finish the game. Also metacritic is not allowing some users to post fair balanced reviews, only keeping the positive ones.. My point is you can’t call all people that dislike the game haters.. like I can’t say people that enjoy it are shields or whatever word you want to use.. play the game to enjoy it! If you don’t.. so be it.. both sides shouldn’t tear each other down.
Don't be sorry for a long video. I think it was way too short and I'm looking forward to the in-depth analysis. There is so much to talk about. Pretty sure you could do several videos on this.
Agreed I hate the game but the parts that I loved is explained very well by this guy i want more
I've already seen a lot of people comment about, "finally, something that doesn't just blindly hate on this game" and I just wanted to give my thoughts on that so I could hopefully encourage some nice, civil conversations in the comments section, so here we go. I really only hint a TINY bit at spoilers, but if you wanna go in entirely blind without ANY hints, no matter how small, do not read this comment.
So, I hated the game. But I know that some people loved it, and some people hated it, and I feel like this game will be a very polarizing game for a long time. Over time, I've softened on the game a bit, but for very personal, subjective reasons, I found the game's story to be a punch in the gut, heart and soul that left me feeling empty and like Joel and Ellie's relationship never mattered in the end. It seriously messed with me emotionally because of what the first game meant to me.
But if you love the game... I'm so glad you did. Because even though I hate the game, it is not my job to ruin the enjoyment of the game for other people. If you loved the game, I'm so glad you were able to enjoy a game that I wasn't. That being said, those that love the game, it is ok to hate this game. People who hate this game, it is ok to love this game. Not everyone hating on the game is hating it out of blind hatred, and not everyone is loving the game out of blind fanboyism. It is ok to disagree on this game. If you love this game, I am so, so happy that you were able to enjoy an experience that I wasn't. If you hate it, I'm sorry you weren't able to enjoy it, but I'm glad we can agree on some things.
Please, feel free to discuss opinions down below in a civil and respectful manner if you wish.
-Alan Mirzoev
Known on other platforms as Chobani, Chobani Prophet, and/or Hammid of Siwa on the Four Pillars Discord.
"It seriously messed with me emotionally" I feel the same way watching ellie walk away unable to play the song Joel taught her was too rough. Being completely alone again like before she was with Joel too makes the first game seem pointless.
I'm of the same opinion as you. What specifics did you not like? It would be nice to hear the reasons why people that liked the game are able to explain them. It might even make us have a nicer perspective on it
charlie carpo i completely agree
@Alessandro Silvestri Koufis To be fair, Joel is NOT comfortable in that scene at all.
The second Tommy, who has lived in a town that survives by trading with travellers in large part, for decades, opens his mouth, Joel knows he fucked up. But it's too late, they are there and they are surrounded and they already gave their names away earlier to Abby so it's too late to lie.
He lets his guard down but not nearly as much as his brother.
@Alessandro Silvestri Koufis I've thought about it like this... spending four years in a settlement where you meet a new stranger nearly every single day is gonna change how you see strangers. Hell, when they moved in to Jackson, everyone but Tommy and his wife were strangers. Eventually, when all you do is either bond with them strangers or trade with passing strangers for four years straight, you're gonna experience a change in yourself on how you perceive people.
I finished the game yesterday and you have said absolutely everything I felt. I adored this game. I think it was absolutely fantastic. I had no idea what to expect in a sequel, it certainly was not this, but I am so glad this is the direction they took because it is wonderful.
I loved this take and your analysis. I feel the exact same way. I absolutely loved this game. I knew I couldn’t be the only one who found the ending satisfying, despite how heartbreaking it was.
This is easily the nest overall review of this game I think you hit the nail perfetly on the head my man
@Megatron EX1127 it is not revenge game, it is "no one is a bad guy" story. With a slight of hand character building.
@cod lover Hi I have seen you in many comment responses. Why are you so angry? I mean people just liked the game if you don't that's fine but you don't have to offend everyone that does not think exactly like you
Everything you said about this game I completely agree with. Loved the game, loved hearing your thoughts on it.
@cod lover imagine being this pathetic...
@cod lover oh no the evil boogeyman Anita strikes again! How will the gaming industry ever recover?!
Grow up dude.
@cod lover nice bait
@cod lover imagine wasting your time hating on something. Can't relate
I jumped in blind, having seen only the box art. I purposely avoided this video along with every other trailer, speculation, article, and spoiler. I just finished the game and I loved it. I also understand why people didn’t. I feel like the biggest complaint was this devalued Joel and Ellie’s relationship, which I understood at first. I thought it made Joel seem like an awkward step dad that somehow got custody over the mom. But after playing through all of Ellie’s memories and especially that one scene with the two of them in the porch, i think it did their relationship justice. After everything, Ellie and Joel were on their way to healing. And Ellie wouldn’t have gone all bloodthirsty if she didn’t really love Joel
You and I did the same thing - as in avoided all the hype leading up to it. Maybe if people could be more patient (most of the world must open their presents before Christmas Day, it seems) then maybe they wouldn’t be disappointed by preconceived notions or knowledge.
Well said.
@@ShaneDR009 I have seen all the spoilers. I've seen a big chunk of video leak and still ended up loving the game. They were actually developing a multiplayer similar to the first one. Not sure if they're gonna continue developing it
I’ve heard complaints about how “out of character” Joel was in the opening 1/2 hours which I couldn’t disagree more, part of it is that he’s been living in this welcoming, peaceful community for the past 4/5 years, maybe it’s not as much time as 20 but even then; you can still change and be more sociable after a certain time in a community like Jackson for just a few years.
Also, everyone seems to either ignore or forget they were chased by a swarm of infected in a blizzard without much of a choice and people say “they just waltzed into a trap” I don’t know what game they were playing
@@ryanhowe6543 Joel didn't even trust them. Joel refused Nora's offer to remove the saddle of the horse because they'll (Tommy and Joel) have a quick getaway once the weather has gotten better. Him introducing himself wasn't a sign of trusting them. It's not like a name is will give them so much information especially that they're in an apocalyptic world.
I swear you have read my mind I completely understand why people may not “like” the game but it does not mean at all that it is a “bad” game this was truly a masterpiece I really have a hole in my chest after finishing the game I want another game from naughty dog already
I completely agree with you. It’s a beautiful game, you can tell they truly put a lot of their effort in the making of this. The storyline is the only thing that I personally feel like they need to work on and with their marketing lie, but other than that it’s the perfect game
@KorinXploits too bad for you
@cod lover Why is it whenever there's a lesbian in a game, it's such a problem. No one complains about having straight male characters 'forced' on players? Who cares?
@cod lover your fragility is glaring. Cry some more weak boy.
Agreed ! Its nice to see that not everyone is shitting on this brilliant game :)
Finally someone who understands. Its a story of forgiveness. Not why revenge is bad
This is also a story of empathy. Also story of closure.
I agree with Linh Nguyen, it’s more of a story of closure(peace of mind)
Its a story that allows u to feel how u feel about it. Its not forcing you to say anyone is right or wrong or about forgiveness or revenge imo. Its bout people living theyre life through these events in both games. Idk wtf i would do but i sure hope i have the resolve of joel, ellie, abby, dina, tommy, owen, etc. Also...fuck manny
It's a story about all those things. They're all big themes in it.
Also selfishness and all so many others it’s soo gooooood
I literally agree with every point you just made.
Same here. He explaining things was literally me playing the game. I loved it so much. I cried at the end 😭
You know when you don’t cry but your lip has a seizure and you can’t control it? That was me during that entire conversation between Joel and Ellie at the end. Closest I’ve come to crying at a video game
the scene of sam and ellie tlou 1: where are you affraid of... ending alone...
Yeah good game and I agree pacing was it’s weak point
Same
This was a perfect summation of the game, it's plot, it's theming and it's context. I think the story and its characters are complex, which is why the original has, and this game will hold up for a long time. Each character isn't without its flaw which is what makes for such great story telling. Following a formula is easy, breaking away from it is not.
Awesome video and really well put!
I totally agree 💯
This game is already failing in the long run: you can go to eBay and Amazon which will show you endless used copies being sold for really cheap prices, especially considering the game literally came out about 2 weeks ago. I should mention that if you buy the game used Naughty Dog gets no money.
Characters definitely aren't complex at all, unless you consider randomly popping up conflicting actions with no motivations a form of complexity, but it's really just a bunch of plot contrivances littered about the game
@@oldmothertucker323 its sold over 4 million copies, i think its doing fine
Vicki Tucker it was the most sold game on the console all this means is the less fortunate will have an opportunity to enjoy this game as well
I completely agree. Finished the game last night. This is what games should strive to be. Give me what I didn't know I wanted
What part of this did you want? Was it satisfying?
:)
"This is what games should strive to be" True!!! I really want more games to do something different, take risks, and not do the same thing all over again.
@@adamadamson4329 To answer your second question, after multiple playthroughs I finally started seeing what they were going for and YES it was very satisfying for me. Each subsequent playthrough showed me something new that I had not seen before.
Had to wait a day to watch this as I still needed to finish my play through, but I can’t tell you how much of a relief it is to hear someone else enjoyed the game!
I completely agree with you. This game is a beautiful masterpiece. An extremely powerful, grim, and heartbreaking tale of hate, violence, revenge, and moral relativism. It takes balls to do what Naughty Dog did with this game. And they did justice to the first game. The ending breaks your heart, and would probably haunt me for some time.
It’s gonna be a no from me dawg.
Lmaoooo. There is no way anyone can genuinely think that this game does justice to the original. They tried to pass a message that literally cannot be passed with the way the story went. They just destroyed the characters and changed them entirely to make the story possible.
I love Abby love to play her first i hate her but the longer i play her i love her , and i love that Ellie saved Abby and Lev, ass a player i was so afraid in the end that Ellie shoud kill Abby if Ellie have kille me (Abby) she Will be lost forever but when she lett me live i feel so much love for Ellie and i know that she can start loving People again and lett go off the Hate.
here here, OP.
p.s. guys, If you don't like the game, were just trying to get you to like it like we do.. you guys are trying to get us to hate it like you do.. I'm sorry, but why would you want other people to share your intense dislike? its not a very noble cause to try and spread hateful feelings to people who obviously have their minds made up that they like it.
@@RozKounelakion Too bad you just can't seem to get it. I agree with the people who love this game that people need MORE than one run-through. The second playthrough should be New Game + so you can use the modifications that will allow you to focus more on the story and less on the combat, that way you can actually pay attention to the story and see EXACTLY why it is so good.
part of me feels that if the leaks weren’t ever released there would be more love for this game. i did EVERYTHING in me to push all of that info away and it worked. i went into the game completely blind, nothing about it felt like it betrayed my experience with the first game. what i like about the last of us compared to other post apocalyptic games is that it’s grounded in reality. with that, i love that they never tried to make joel into some unkillable, god-like character. they’ve been in jackson for years so it’s given that joel’s guard was down for a while before hand. i don’t see the way joel behaved was out of character, and even if he were to be on edge during this scene it would’ve still ended the same way, it was 2 on 7 in a tiny ass room. that being an issue that most people are having is with the way joel goes out, it’s what reality is. it isn’t fair, it isn’t right but that’s how it goes. i could go on and on about how this story isn’t as bad as people are making it out to be. this is nowhere near as great as the first one but that’s doesn’t mean we can discredit what it’s trying to do. naughty dog never knew that the last of us would sit with as many people as it did, there’s no way in topping that. could there have been a better sequel to this story, possibly. but i think this game will be one of those hidden gems that people will grow to love over time
Thank you Gallegos and Megatron :-D I feel like i have been looking for a week for you guys. I honestly think the story was great and i never thought i would find another person who loved Abbys character.
Nope the game’s story direction was ass. I could debate why but if you really want to see people break down all the flaws with the game, head over to r/thelastofus2
Hagoromo Otsutski nothing like replying to a person writing a novel on why they love the game with “nope story ass” lmao 😂😂
CommieButter amen
I’m not gonna type a whole message because I’ve been doing that a lot but I went In blind and didn’t like it, I dont think it was just because of the leaks, glad you enjoyed it tho just wasn’t for me I guess
Honestly man this game wasn’t for me and I didn’t really like the direction of writing but if you like this game that’s fine with me
The majority of people talking about this game on twitter need to read this comment to learn how to respectfully conduct themselves online. It ain't hard.
@@benmac7552 yeah exactly, if you like this game I'm glad that you enjoyed it more than me but don't be an asshole to other people who don't like it and that goes for the people who didn't like it don't be an asshole to the people who enjoyed it
Appreciate that, feel like most people that didn’t like the game are just going around hating and making sure other people hate the game and telling them why they should.
@TLOU2 is GOTY in 2020 Really? What about GoW and HZD caused you to hate them? (I don't want to bash you about you about your opinions, I'm just curious. So few disliked those games)
Also bold choice for an avatar name.
No body asked if you cared.......
I loved the game as well. The mid section dragged a bit, but overall, the game isn't half bad. Honestly, I think the backlash this game got is comical at best, and quite literally pathetic at worst. People giving this a 0 out of 10 just because their favorite character died (in a zombie game, mind you), and yet they're all still going out of their way to buy it! I mean, this game has become the fastest selling PS4 title to date, trumping both Spiderman and God of War. Is this what boycotting a game entails in 2020?
The unexpected elevated Part II. Thumbs up man, at last someone that understands games and storytelling!!
I am glad there are people feeling similar to me about the game.
Thank you for this video
Its rare that I comment on these types of videos but I just want to say, thank you for this video. You not only perfectly explained my thoughts but added more to them. Incredible analysis.
ABBY IS JOEL, the way she kills, the abilities she has, the items she craft, all these signs are the hints for the parallel.
What the fuck i didn't even think about that but it's literally true. Good evaluation!
And she even takes care of Lev, just like Joel and Ellie, this kind of relationship, ya know
@@davitalone5567 ellie and Joel's bond felt believable because they had like a year together, but abby and Lev's bond imo didnt fell genuine and felt forced and so rushed.
Davi Talone Except Abby and Lev’s relationship just felt like a washed down version of Joel and Ellie’s.
@@modpog8066 Eh I get your point but I think it works, they bond over survival experiences in my opinion. Like Abby being the girl who helped her sister through and through no matter if she was alive or dead is the biggest key. It allows Lev to open up and accept a wolf (someone that they think are marauders in comparison to them) isn't so bad and they can all be friends through peace.
I hope that makes sense but yet again, it's just how I feel.
You really just took exactly how I felt about the game and put it into words so thanks for that
This changed my whole thought process of the game
Khalil Hines no he saw the light
YOOOOO IVE BEEN WAITING FOR MORE REVIEWS LIKE THIS
Honestly when I saw both “Seattle Day 1” and that she had an upgrade menu I knew we wouldn’t be playing her for just a little bit and it did bother me
Yes and some abby missions are literal fetch guests like finding surgical equipment for yara only for her to get shot later
@@fiel81 I felt that was less of a fetch quest for Yara, so much as designated time for Abby and Lev to bond with each other, knowing where they would end up. Lev is to Abby as Ellie is to Joel, and ND wanted to give us time to understand that.
fiel81 she kills Isaac though, so it wasn’t pointless
@@fiel81 but you didn't know she will get shot.....
fiel81 that’s a weird way of looking at things. maybe we should stop treating people in hospitals cause they could just get hit by a car later
You hit the nail on the head, very well said. People seem to forget the first game had an incredibly cliche plot that was uplifted to greatness through character, morality and themes. This game is the perfect extension of all the things that made the first game great, but it goes the extra mile to not just offer us a moral dilemma, but to show us a path to absolution. As you said, it is bittersweet, for all the tragedy Ellie goes through, she is shown how to rebuild, how to heal and how to forgive.
I started feeling bad for loving this game when everybody was throwing hate at it. I like to see other people share this opinion on the game. I genuenly believe that people who is hating on it just didn´t bother to give it a chance when the whole Abby storyline is introduced and just try to speedrun it, I think that's why for them the ending was disappointing and the game in general. the game has it flaws and it's not perfect but I applaud the risk the took to tell the story they wanted to.
I agree with you 100%. I fucking loved this game.
@TLOU2 is GOTY in 2020 Not only is it related to tribalism, the story mirrors what’s happening in real life almost perfectly.
STORY: You meet Abby as the villain. Your impression of her is pretty much set. Then you get to see through her eyes and need to re-evaluate your own stance on things. Some people can, some can not.
REAL LIFE: You get to see a new enemy on the horizon in the form of „woke video game narratives“ 🙄 via the leaks. This first bad impression festers within you. Then the game comes out. You now see (or should at least), that much of what was in the leaks, was with very little context and much was just flat out wrong. Now you could re-evaluate your perceptions of the game, examine it for what it is. Some could, some could not.
The underlying mechanism in both scenarios would be called „confirmation bias“, which basically just means, that we tend to seek out information, which already supports our preexisting perceptions of how things are.
It is my belief, that the game would have had a much wider appeal, if the leaks would never have happened. Still not everybody would like it, but if you already spent so much time hating on a game before it even comes out, there‘s almost no coming back from this. Just like when you get told your entire life, that the WLF or the scars or the Fireflies are the enemy...
Yeah...no
@TLOU2 is GOTY in 2020 I'd agree with that 100%
Abbys presence in the game to me hinders Ellies growth. If this game either focused solely on Ellie or Abby it would have either given Ellie time to develop, or give Abby a place in the series. And they introduced Abby poorly, they could have given her an introduction that doesnt paint her in such a harsh light. First impressions are everything, and everyones impressions of Abby were poor. So that followed the character through her arc
hey man, I really appreciate your thoughtful commentary.. you pretty much covered all of it, I hope everyone finds your video no matter which side they're on.. cheers man.. subbed.
You summed up my thoughts for the whole game! Especially at the farm when you're ready to let it go but then you get the thirst for revenge again, perfectly explained and you have a new subscriber. Keep it up.
this review sums up exactly how i feel about the game
Joel died because of revenge, when Ellie lets go of revenge, she brings Joels memory back to life.
( 24:31 your not supposed to like it your supposed to be conflicted, thats what makes The Last Of us, The Last Of Us )
THANK YOU. Finally....
Just like game of thrones season 8, the execution, not the message, is where it fell short for many people
THIS^
Luke Keango the execution is fantastic, only the pacing is shoddy at times. All of the character motivations are established in this unlike Daenerys going full psycho.
@@uhuhuh1966 pacing is part of the execution. Also placement of flashbacks and general structure of the gameplay in terms of when and for how long you play as Abby or Ellie. If all these were done better imo, there'd be less complaints.
Let’s go baby been waiting for this
I’m so happy I didn’t watch the trailers for this, I never watch trailers for games I know I’m going to buy and it usually makes for a better experience.
Same. I ignored trailers, leaks and anything. I bought it blind and let my own thoughts provide opinion. I finished it and loved it. I don’t like letting the views of others taint my experience.
Dude, you just nailed it !! It was the most truthful and close to reality, in terms of what this game wanted to deliver and not what players wanted from this game, break down I've watched so far. Kudos! Absolutely loved it!
From just being half way through the video I have to say this is the best video on tlou 2 on the platform, finally someone who gives a refreshing perspective and doesn't shit on the game just for views! Awesome video 👌
That's funny, because I am half way through and I am listening to someone making excuses for the over reliance on flashbacks, which add to the terrible pacing, making the game overlong.
Never mind having to hamfist a new character in there and having to use cheap manipulation tactics to try and get people to like her.
While he ain't 10/10 best ever bad, he is certainly doing his best to polish a turd when in reality naughty dog should never have went in this direction.
@@user-Marrk Cool u have that opinion but instead of saying that the ppl who love the game are "making excuses" maybe they just love the game and see it a different way then you do. Just like I wouldn't say u not liking the game means your " a hater trying to ignore the games brilliance to jump on hate train" because I realise that maybe u just have a different opinion and thats OK.
@@user-Marrk although I do like the game, the video is great because it's like the only one on RUclips that talks about the story and philosophy of the game, whereas there is so many channels just shitting on the game for views, for instance talking about Neil druckmanns Twitter?!? 🤷 This video is intelligent in the way he articulates his points
@@mrshen4504 I would agree with you till you say they only do it for the views, implying they are wrong to shit on it because it isn't shit. When in actuality, it is shit.
@@user-Marrk I'm not implying that at all 🤷🤦 just because you don't like the story doesn't mean it's a bad game the visuals and gameplay are top notch and whether you like the script or not the acting and dialogue is some of the best in the industry, it doesn't deserve 0/10 cos "I don't like Abby"
It’s not a bitter sweet ending. Ellie is left with nothing. She loses Dina, and her adoptive son, she loses her fingers so she can’t play guitar, she’s permanently traumatised, she’s lost her relationship with the town of Jackson as both Dina and Tommy hate her, she loses Joel, she loses Jessie, she even loses her horse. This entire game is nothing but watching a fan favourite character be tortured. Ellie is 16 in the game (I could be wrong). Regardless, she’s extremely young, and by the end of it she’s caused a damn genocide, and still hasn’t gotten her revenge. She instead chooses to take the moral high ground over a psychopathic antagonist who gets to walk away and have a future with the fireflys. Whilst she gets to rot in the enteral hellsnape that is her mind, suffering from trauma and guilt. She’s a broken person and I felt no sense of a bitter sweet ending. There’s sympathetic Abby you play as for 5 mins when she loses her dad, but then there’s also the sadist Abby who smashes dinas face in and you press square on multiple times to choke out Ellie. This entire game is a punching bag with Ellie’s face. I hate this game, it tells a bold and decisive story yes, but it left me feeling not an inch of hope for the characters I love, Everyone’s either personality traumatised or scared, or just dead. If you want to give someone depression, play the last of us.
Ik u said u could be wrong but she’s 19 in the game
She's not left with nothing. Materially, yes. But she can now live with herself. She wasn't going to be able to live with Dina, before she learned to live with herself. That's what her journey is about - closure with Joel and with herself. The rage at Abby and WLF is real too, but it's mostly a distraction from her internal rage.
That's the reason she lets Abby go. It isn't the dumb "rEvEngE iS bAd" meme idiots keep repeating. She has that specific memory of Joel on the porch, where she says, "I would like to try" and that's the closest she'll ever get to having a resolution with Joel. They were essentially estranged, and their relationship was never fully repaired when he was taken away, and she realizes it never will be. She already had what she was looking for, and killing Abby won't make it better.
Neither Ellie nor Abby are psychopaths, nor was Joel or Marlene or anyone else. They're just people. They do terrible things, but often for justifiable reasons. The game is about making you understand why people take revenge, and then saying maybe revenge isn't really what you're after. It's easy to mistake that for saying revenge is never the answer, but the game is not actually saying that. It's just saying revenge is relatable.
So in the end, Ellie is heartbroken and damaged, but she's not a lost soul. She finally has herself. When Joel tells her that Dina would be lucky to have her, he's also telling her she's lucky to have herself. She would never have gotten that lesson if the game had ended at the farmhouse (unless she finds a psychotherapist.)
I stopped reading when you said "Ellie is 16 in the game"
The thing is life itself doesn't care, especially post apocalyptic life. Knowing that is what separates people who like this game from people who can't accept this game.
Chris Bellamy can’t accept this game because it’s a post apocalypse? Dude the first game is also post apocalypse and ends bitter sweet but hopeful for Joel and Ellie being alive. There’s no “the world doesn’t care bro” it’s a story that naughty dog can write. And they chose to go for gut lunch after gut punch on Ellie. She doesn’t grow and change over the game she just get traumatised and depressed, it offers nothing. It’s like John wick never got revenge for his dog, didnt get a new dog, and didn’t kill the Russian prick.
Been waiting to hear your opinion on the game. I'm happy to see a pretty positive comment section about this game for once. I agree wholeheartedly that this game's message is great and is so much more than what some people paint it out to be
Same dude I agreed with everything he’s said
Jade Venegas I agree with him too idk there’s hate for this game some people just like to nitpick on things and hate on them for dumb reasons because their selfish and want everything done there way
Jade Venegas i meant idk why there’s hate
I just finished the game today and I agree 101%, I think the game is phenomenal and is a game that I can call an experience because of how much emotion was put and into this and how much emotion I put into this, 10/10 game I wish I could relive again
When the dusts settles, we may look at this game much differently than we do now...
yes, I have been watching this game on youtube again (not the whole gameplay just the main story) and I'm liking it more.
I mean it sucks that Joel dies...
man, This game really leaves you depressed.
yup, will be remembered as one of the greatest games ever made
@@gregwxst hahahahahahaha
Yeah I think so to.
I just finished this game and I feel the same the way
What a surprisingly healthy outlook and objective analysis. I loved this review! Well, done!
Does anyone else think that if Joel's death hadn't been leaked, then it won't have the same hate it has now??
Yea definitely
Yes
No , the reaction would have been *worse* if people hadn't known about it
I’ve watched this video twice, when you first published and now, and it further reveals what you said at the end, that I think the game will age very, very well as people continue to unpack it. I felt alone in my initial love of it, so hearing your words then let me know that I wasn’t crazy, that the layers and nuance I felt weren’t fabricated in my mind.
Now, having played through several times - it’s a profound and exhilarating experience. It improves through subsequent plays in all aspects, compartmentalized into extraordinary gameplay on one hand and this complex narrative on the other.
Watching this again now, I’m fascinated to learn what time has done for your perspectives and discoveries compared to your initial take, too. You had several lines about Ellie, her happiness, her dilemma between preserving her family with Dina and her crusade, that I’ve actually come to disagree with. I thought the same at first, too. Now, though, Ellie’s through line is so clear and consistent to me that it brought me to a very unpopular opinion that she was never 100% invested in the life and relationship with Dina. There was love there, but not true, till death do we part love. Her actions and reactions to her companions after Joel’s death show again and again her desire to be alone, her longing for a hunt and adventure.
I need to listen to a spoilercast with Ashley Johnson again to get her exact quote, but she brilliantly laid out the reality of Ellie and Dina’s relationship. It was something like, this is a college romance, Ellie’s first adult relationship, and nobody knows what they’re doing or why at that age in a normal world. You stumble through, and when it ends it may end badly, but you learn and move on. I’ve seen comments about who leaves whom, who’s to blame, they’re meant to be together, etc. It simply isn’t true for Ellie.
I hope to create video essays on my reflections on Ellie’s consistent through line and Abby’s. The two halves tell remarkable stories of these young women fighting their way through this horrible landscape and emerging stripped but with their humanity intact.
It’s brilliant, it’s haunting, it’s complex, and it will stay with me for the rest of my days.
Finally someone reviewing the game with an open mind, loved listening to this, great review.
Bro it’s so refreshing to see a RUclipsr having a different perspective. I absolutely agree with almost every line you said in this video. I AM NOT LYING I AM SO GLAD SOMEONE ELSE AGREES!!!
Personally I found myself unable to forgive Abby, but I realise now that I didn't try to or want to, in fact I intentionally closed myself to that possibility as soon as she killed Joel and refused to sympathise with her from then on. However I do believe that I could have potentially been more likely to sympathise with Abby if they had made us see her perspective before she killed Joel then I wouldn't have been so closed to her.
Then you would have hated Abby at the END. They frontloaded Abby killing Joel in the beginning so that you hate her at first but then learn to sympathize with her.
I don’t think your meant to forgive her. Your meant to understand her perspective and I think I did , it’s all personal , and it is very divisive but I respect your opinion 🙏
There's no reason to forgive her - she's an unlikable person who shows no sympathy for any of her actions (unlike Ellie). After torturing Joel, she even mentions how she's like to torture the prisoners we see, and Tommy if she got a hold of him.
I cannot forgive Abby either because you say to look in Abby‘s perspective what about Joels in his perspective they are just killing a 14-year-old who was his daughter and he knows that he did something bad but he does it because they’re going to kill someone who is close to him at that point and he says a valid point in the flashback world Joel kills the Bloater That was about to kill Ellie at the end of it in the Argument he said that he saw the test And it would’ve failed The in the last of us The flyer flies are shown to be be pretty dumb like getting almost everyone killed and how about almost killing that precious cure when Joel is trying to save her obviously
This. This is exactly how it seems most people feel and it makes me so sad because if they open up a little bit rather than just covering their ears and screaming, I think they'd have a much better experience... But unfortunately most people saw the leaks and made up their minds going into the game intentionally wanting to hate it or they didn't and they saw Joel die and didn't want to try to understand Abby's motivation. There is no grey area in their eyes... Joel died, they hate it, and that's it
Finally someone who isn’t trying to burn the game at the stake lmao 😂
I don’t think even I could sum up my feelings for this game better than you could. Amazing video!
yes, i had a very good time listening to this. Really been hella engaged in your content. Your quickly becoming a top tier Tuber in my eyes. I can't wait for the full breakdown
My friend you have absolutely nailed this review, finally someone that sees the game for how it was aimed to be portrayed, you got yourself a new subscriber, fantastic work 👏
Facts man. So many of these other user reviewers are just angry that they didn't get the game they expected and therefore saw it as "bad".
@@archieryan9015 Almost every reviewer goes in about the depth of the story and the badly written story and characters.
Your videos are so well made. I love them.
Finally a fair take that from somebody who actually understood the game! You just earned a subscriber!
Your thoughts on the game almost mirror mine exactly, like from the reactions to certain moments and the interpretations that you have it’s honestly nice to hear someone else has those same thoughts. Great video btw 👍🏼
Now I can appreciate the ending Thanks James this is probably my favourite game of all time
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By Cynical Idealist
The hatred that Ellie feels for Abby is an externalized reflection of the hatred Ellie harbors for herself. Why?
Well Joel deeply hurt both Abby and Ellie in different ways and they both punished him for it. Ellie hates Abby for torturing Joel to death, especially because she didn't get a chance to restore her relationship with Joel. This is a mirror because Ellie also tortured Joel, she did it for years but in a different way, and I'd say in a way that was more painful for Joel, and that was by disconnecting from him. She hates herself for torturing him like that and not restoring their relationship when there was still time. That's the real pain she has been trying to avoid facing during this entire revenge quest, she's like a drug addict using revenge to avoid dealing with those painful feelings of regret. This is the realization she has while she is drowning Abby when she has the flashback to the scene on the porch with Joel and chooses to Spare Abby. She's not just forgiving Abby, she's really most importantly forgiving herself and finally coming to terms with what happened between her and Joel, I think her leaving his guitar to rest in the house and walking away is supposed to symbolically represent that she has forgiven Joel, made peace with what happened between them and is finally ready to move on and start a new life. I hated the end at first but after much deliberation I think it's actually really poetic, People saying the game is just about "revenge is bad" I think have really missed the point.
I understand your points and what the writers were going for but I still respectfully disagree.
Keep up the great work James 👍
Most refreshing comment I've seen on the internet in about a month!
Thank god someone who doesn't like this game can be fair and polite about it.
Bro.... you didn't even play the game. You literally just watched the cutscenes but okay though.
@@Thedarkside02 Huh?
@@Thedarkside02 Yep. Idk how you know that but I actually just watched the cutscenes. I'm sure the gameplay is great but to me the story matters more so playing it wouldn't be different.
Thank you for making this. I feel 100% the same about this game and wish people would just watch this.
Thanks to this video, you’ve earned a subscriber. You’re one of the few voices out there that have seen the game for what it truly is. A beautifully visceral story. Keep up the great work, I’m going to check through your backlog of videos now. 👌🏼
That was a really well thought out video. I also like that you didnt shot on people that didnt like the game or talk down them. Well done.
I can totally see why people don't like it. But damn, I absolutely love it.
when abby found out her friends were killed she thought it was tommy
snaak25 She also was looking for Tommy at the beginning of the game, they didn’t know where Joel was. People miss that , they think she’s there in Jackson for Joel
Why does she say “you killed my friends” to ellie
Think so.
The best review in RUclips 😭 💔
I’m a fan who didn’t just want another adventure with Joel and Ellie, but I expected a more profound story for Joel and Ellie. I felt that Joel should suffer the consequences of his actions, but this should have a profound effect on Ellie and the way she navigates and interacts with the world around her, I expected more than a cheap revenge plot and the idea that everyone does horrible things for the right reasons in TLOU universe!
Did you watch the video? He explains how it's not a revenge story. I see it as a revenge arc instead of a revenge FANTASY
You clearly didn’t play the game. Or you didn’t understand it at least
@@tiagomartins613 you really didn't either then, he explained it, it's about forgiveness it's not a revenge story through and through
It’s not about revenge. It’s about breaking the cycle of revenge or it will consume you and all you love.
@Megatron EX1127 the reeason why he says its a "cheap reveng plotline" is becasue how inconsisten they were with joel and tommys characters. they would of never just join a random and follow her to her base where her other friends are. that in itself felt forced. secondly they made it clear that this game has to protagonists abby and ellie "no one is a bad guy" right. except for the fact that abby was blatantly evil which mad it impossible to sympathize with why she killed joel. neil himself was wrong about his story its more of a "no one is a bad guy" and "forgiveness" and less about revenge through and through. for the ending to work you are supposed to feel some sort of sympathy for abby but there is non there as she mercilessly tortured and murdered a man who saved her multiple times just because he saved a girl that her father was going to sacrifice for the greater good of humanity. ultimately the story does and doesnt work depending on how you interpret things but imo they couldve done the story much better. and i also respect your opinion and i agree on the ellie forgiving e=joel stuff they had a great idea but just didnt deliver, and poor ellie they took a fat shit on her, she lost everything and then proceeds to save and let her last possible victory roam freely because "revenge bad" but not wrong. this is just a very divisive game so we shouldnt do anything but respect others opinions.
Thank you for being a youtuber who saw the beauty of this game and it’s story
I think they put troy baker in the trailer because they wanted to show joel's importance in Ellie's Journey. Ellie seems to draw guidance and stength from memories and flashbacks connected to her relationship with Joel. Especially in the end where her last memory with Joel is what stops her from going farther down the road of anger and vengence, killing abby.
I agree with pretty much everything in this video. I loved this game. It was such a brutal experience, and took so many more risks than most games do, but I really think it nailed it.
the beauty and the quality and the legacy of the game is the fact that it made us feel so many emotions so strongly--I alternated between bawling my eyes out, screaming incoherently, and laughing and smiling (in those short bursts of happy times the game allowed us to have) and it has made me reflect on my own relationships with my family. I, for one, will be entirely satisfied if there is no Part III because I honestly don't think I can handle another emotional rollercoaster like this
Good to hear a guy who puts all the pieces correctly.
Also, can we give a shout out to the role music plays in this story, the dual score between Gustavo and Mac, and the pitch-perfect song choices? Gah. So good.
I created a TLOU2 playlist in my Amazon Music including:
Three Crooked Still songs. “Ecstasy” is the kiss scene dance song that Ellie also starts to play before that flashback. I can’t get enough of it. Just perfectly hits the melancholy of Ellie with notes of optimism. It reminds me a lot of the main “The Last of Us” theme.
“The Winding Sheet” by Mark Lanegan is the tape Owen leaves playing in the aquarium when Abby arrives, before she finds him in the boat. Good lord that’s an amazing pick for where his brain is. He’s tortured.
And The Black Angels song “Young Men Dead,” which was one of my favorite music-moment-setting-purpose picks of all time. It’s the Zeppelin/Doors-esque song that’s playing in the final Rattler area by the pools. It is exactly what they’d be playing and launched that moment into a Heart of Darkness, Apocalypse Now stratosphere.
finally someone who shares my love for the game!
THANK YOU for making this video, i hope it will get to as many people as possible so that more gamers can fully comprehend the depth and complexity of this brilliant story.
Post writing note: I wrote an essay here by accident, so feel free to skip if you don’t have the time. Short version, I love the vid but disagree on some major points, mainly about Abby.
I think that the idea of Abby and you going along with her journey is amazing. But their execution of it just didn’t hit at all for me. And I have tried to really see Abby and sympathize with her, but I can’t. Not because she killed Joel, but because of the way they presented her.
I believe that Abby is a cold blooded psychopath, through and through. Throughout the whole game, at least to my recollection, she never shows any signs of regret. Not one. And I think you show her too much grace on that subject.
You defend her hunting down Joel, halfway across the country mind you. Because she saw his dead body and knows it’s Joel. She wasn’t forced to watch as he sliced his neck open and bleed to death, like Ellie saw Abby beat the shit out of Joel. No, she just saw his body. Meanwhile Ellie sees her adoptive father beat to death and then swears revenge. Ellie’s quest for vengeance is justified, Abby’s isn’t.
You then try to defend her wanting to murder Dina, while knowing that she’s pregnant, because she believes that Ellie killed Mel and Owen knowing Mel is pregnant. And while I do get this point, I disagree and actually think that it supports my point in that she’s psychotic. To want to murder Dina because of Ellie is totally a reasonable response in this kind of world. But then to know that Dina is pregnant and still she comes close to doing it, is evil. I don’t care how much rage and hatred you have, that is evil. And if Ellie were to do that, I would’ve said the same thing.
Final thing, the symbolism you talked about in the ending changed my view on it. I still really don’t like it, but the more I think about the symbolism, the more I gotta agree with you in it. And the part about the revenge costing Ellie everything, I also agree with.
But my huge gripe that you didn’t touch on is that Abby got off relatively great. Sure, her friends died and she was stuck on a post. But she now has the fireflies to go to, a new family that she had been searching for this whole time, she can now have. Her dreams were realized. Meanwhile Ellie has lost everything. She lost her ability to play guitar, she has ptsd of Joel’s corpse, she lost Mel and her son, and is now left all alone (which was her greatest fear). Ellie lost so much more compared to Abby, And I think it was so unjustified.
Abby was a much more terrible person than Ellie, and she gets to have her happily ever after with the fireflies. While Ellie lost everything and has had her greatest fears realized.
I love the video man, it was good to hear another side of the story, but man do I disagree with you on some major points. Keep up the good work!
I think the people that took abby in the final chapter are the people she was talking to on the radio, not fireflys. I could be wrong but... doesn't it seem a bit odd to make a refugee camp for a basically wiped out group in the territory of a group known for kidnapping both infected and people for prisoners?
Agreeing with every word in the video, I have to defend Abby here.
She absolutely feels guilt for killing Joel. Her entire storyline in the game is motivated by guilt.
First thing she says when you play as her is that she has trouble sleeping and she is throwing herself into her work going on every available mission she can to avoid thinking about what happened. She got her revenge and she feels empty.
When asked by Lev why she is even helping them since they are her enemies, her answer is "guilt". Plain and simple.
Also, to reduce the pain Abby endured to simply losing her friends and being tied to a post is really shifting the narrative to fit your argument.
She lost every single person she had left in the life that she loved as a direct result of her actions.
She was ENSLAVED for months on end. Let me say that again: she became a SLAVE for months on end. I don't know if you can put the amount of trauma that something like that will do to a person. She will live with that for the rest of her life.
The game's message is that showing compassion to your enemies is good and the only consequence of revenge is more loss.
Contemplate the only reason Abby survives being enslaved for one minute.
Who saves her?
Ellie.
Let that sink in. What would have happened if she had chosen not to spare Ellie and slit Dina's throat?
There would have been no one to save her and both her and Lev would be dead.
It's compassion who saves her in the end.
And Ellie showing her compassion in return means now they both have a chance to rebuild their life and start again.
That's what I feel the game goes for anyway. And that's why I disagree with your essay haha
Hope mine wasn't too bad ;)
@@99RedRedfake woah, I know that was probably directed at the comment writer and not anyone else per say but... really changed how I saw the entire game. Honestly, I didn't really see that at all until now. Really well thought out plot there, great work pointing it out like that man!
@@vise_atoxity8083 Thanks man :)
Happy I could do that for you but ultimately, I thank Neil Druckmann and Haley Gross, along with the entire team at Naughty Dog for managing to write and execute such a powerful game.
@@vise_atoxity8083 that sounds really sarcastic tbh😂
This is so close to my take on this game. Thanx for the video, man. I like ac stuff. But this video shows that we are on the same page on narrative.
I really believe that this game is not for everyone.. It's way to complicated, way too deep and raw, that not everyone can get it and it's really sad and that's why is not for everyone. It really change my life, my mentality in so many levels... It's a flawed masterpiece that I believe that will be appreciated more in the future compared to now.
Spot on video, you literally put into words everything I felt about this game, especially the many parallels littered throughout the story. Glad you formulated your own opinion and not gone in wanting to hate it.
I also think that the final fight between Ellie and Abby on the beach mirrors the beginning of TLoU1.
Abby carrying Lev in her arms parallels Joel carrying Sarah and Ellie represents the soldier that is about to kill them. Ellie is the one in power as she has all the guns and the knife while Abby and Lev are powerless; hurt and almost unable to defend themselves due to fatigue of being hung on the poles for a long time.
Abby and Lev are about to escape on the boat just like Joel and Sarah were supposed to when reaching the highway but Ellie stands in their way and wants to kill Abby.
It could also be one of the reasons that Ellie decided to spare them. She could have thought of the photo of Joel and Sarah and she knows how much pain Joel has gone through when he lost his daughter. Ellie then decides to spare Abby to save Lev from the fate that her own surrogate father has gone through.
Just a few thoughts of mine after playing through that battle. Don't know if that's cohesive but I hope it is.
Thank you so much for this!! It’s honestly pissing me off so much how people aren’t realising how ambitious and fucking incredible this games story is!
And we might not get a 3rd game :(
@@alexmaltezos8904 I dont respect mindless negative opinions. People that refuse to play because of the "shit story" just cus joel dies. I hate that shit and I'll point it out.
One of the best reviews i've heard so far. You actually took your time to understand the story. thank you
I must be the only one who was actually looking forward to playing as Abby. I loved Joel and I was devastated, but due to the leaks, I already knew Abby's reason. I didn't like what she did but I understood it. What Joel did, which went a lot further than just saving Ellie, wasn't going to go unanswered. I really wanted to see how the game was going to get me to sympathize with Abby. I think it's brilliant. I wish I could have gone into it blind though.
The only thing I knew going in was the golf club part because people love spoiling shit in comments.
I knew most of the game thanks to spoilers and leaks before I played, you could tell from the adverts that Joel was going to die. Some of the leaks were incorrect. Didn’t ruin the game it actually help understand the plot.
Oh shit is that the Scar skyscraper bridge at 13:29? Loving this review man. You're nailing it.
Great video. The first game as I recall made the ambiguity of Joel's decision more apparent. I recall that there is no guarantee that the Fireflies could actually have found a cure through killing Ellie and that some documents or notes you find when going through the hospital levels mention that. It seems like this game just made it much more cut-and-dry. That Ellie dying means a vaccine which I never remember was the case. Bizarrely of all the plot loopholes (like Joel and Tommy just straight up telling a group of strangers who they were) it is this one that grates the most.
This game is a pure brilliant masterpice, a game that I did not just go through, but lived it. Agree with every word you said man.
Thank you. I’ve felt very strongly for my love of this game and everyone who’s opinions I respect have been shitting on the game. I hate to make this argument but I feel that this game is ultimately made for people who can separate themselves from the narrative and their love for the OG characters and understand this is a world with consequences. Anyone who played the first game is naive if they thought what Joel did in that hospital wasn’t gonna come with consequences.
I can never finished the first game because I dislike stealth, the first game is one of the most well writen games I've ever played and I have no deep attachment to the characters. 2 is written terribly and its pacing is all over the place along with killing characters left and right expecting you to be sad when they barely give you a reason to besides "they matter to ellie".
Why am I supposed to care about Abby when she was a piece of shit first and I learn why after I hate her so much, that's terrible and makes little to no sense plus they act like her story is so much deeper than others to justify not hating her when everyone goes through so much shit in this world I just look at her as more of a brat for not being able to handle it.
Thomaskh7 I think the only death that can justifiably be used in your argument is jesse. 2 is horribly written how btw? The only thing I seem to agree with you on is that the pacing is fucked.
@@marcelpatterson1881 Yeah, the only writing problem I noticed was Jesee dying and nearly nobody caring or ever mentioning him existing. I think the only mention of him post death was from Tommy at the farm. Everything else was fantastic (imo)!
Nah op, the only thing I was naive about was believing that Naughty dog would honour the characters they said they would. I understand fully the world has consequences... You know, like going to murdering a child, without consent, without letting her say goodbye or allowing her surrogate father speak to her one last time for a slim chance of a cure. .. Doctors asked for it.
I loved this game and I wasn’t even that hyped for it after seeing the leaks but I’m so glad i was wrong to hate on it, the game being compared to the last Jedi breaks my heart lol
I love the game too and the story isn’t all that bad as everyone makes it seem I like playing as both Abby and Ellie I think there hating on it because they wanna play as Joel but he’s dead and there confused with the story
They say if you liked the last Jedi then you may like this game lmao
@@joaco21o that is very weird lol, the way they handled this game feels like how that move was handled, but aye respect your opinion.
Ruben Gaytan lol I didn’t like the last jedi but I liked this
Ruben Gaytan I enjoy the last Jedi and this game. I like the last Jedi just because it’s easy to like for someone who isn’t a virgin nerd. I love Star Wars but I really don’t give a shit if someone dies. I like this game because of how complex and interesting it is
Great vid dude, looked at stuff thoroughly from both angles and made some great points. Keep it up 👌
You really understood the way this game was meant to be played and I totally agree with you
Spot on review. This game absolutely wrecked me.
I actually thought this was great it revolves around revenge showing that Ellie and Joel weren't heros like in the first game
My first playthrough was pretty rough. My emotions went crazy back and forth. The second playthrough I understood so much more. A lot of people are looking at the Small Things the wrong way. I can't say this sequel is better than the original at all. Still loved it after I understood it better. Good points of view man. I won't be discouraged if they make a part 3 at all.
Your comment on the game is more than valid, it is a human and complex story, that most people juts won’t understand, these are good people living in a world that has made them do bad things to eachother, not much different than the world we live now, I truly loved this game, it gave me perspective on both sides of the characters, their motivations and dreams, it is a human tale, they absolutely nailed it.
Nailed it. And thank you for being honest about your opinion and risking criticism. While not always easy to get through and often times uncomfortable it was a wild emotional ride that was well worth it when it all came to the end.