Should You Update to MacOS Sonoma as a Logic Pro User?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2023
- MacOS Sonoma just came out this week. But should you update? Here are some tips to determine if it's worth it. (Links below)
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Thank you so much for this helpful information. There were many developers in the list you provided that suggested "not" to upgrade until they had finished their testing. Cheers
This is excellent advice. I've been using Logic since the early 90s and have many plug-ins and out board gear that are often compromised if I update an OS to early!
Thanks for the heads up, Chris! Cool flannel by the way 😎
Very clever advice, thank you Chris 🙏
I updated and took the chance. So far everything is working for me. I have a lot of plugins but I haven’t tried everything but everything I have tried has worked. This is a better start than any other OS launch
same here. I just updated and nothing has exploded so far.
do you have waves, softube, izotope, vital, akai controllers, focusrite scarlett, valhalla, arturia, native instruments lol just checking
@@popodopulus3826 Arturia, Native, EastWest, EZKeys, Ozone10, Waves, Antares Auto-Tune, Alterboy, Scaler, Captain Chords, ORB Producer, Kontakt 7, Roli Studio, Spitfire. SynthV, Xpandr2, Addicted Keys, Focusrite Scarlett, all my keyboard controllers-- worked.
I haven't tried every feature but they all pass the logic plug-in start up and load in Logic Pro. I have more to test but these are the key ones for me that I have in my startup template and all load.
The only thing I noticed is that Xpandr and Addictive keys didn't openi in Komplete Kontrol but they did load on their own.
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@@popodopulus3826i wanna know too
Before I say anything else, I would like to say that you, Chris, have been such an amazing resource and teacher to me in my learning Logic Pro X as well as my MacBook Pro.
Almost 3 years have elapsed since my first look into RUclips for help, and I’m happy to tell you that of the masses of people posting videos, your videos and generally your presentations have become my only source for times when I need help..
Thank you for your kindness and generosity and for making this 52 years old ex iron worker turned joyous (tentatively hopeful) music producer.
Cheers to you and, blessings to you always.
Now, I did the update in a brain dead moment and, the pit in my stomach came from my MacBook’s “system too slow” warning becoming the only function which appears to be unhindered by my updated MacBook…
I will check back in at a later time and Will hopefully have a brighter report to share.
ap 🙏
I wanted to update on my post now that it’s been long enough to know if there’s been problems.
Fortunately I have noticed ZERO PROBLEMS and I’ve had no lessons to be learned from mindlessly updating my MacBook Pro!
I appreciate the heads up and I am going to TRY TO BE MINDFUL OF UPDATING IN THE FUTURE…(which is not one of my strong suits😂)
Thanks again for your efforts in providing information that continues to be a priceless resource to my personal journey in music.
I think it's a good idea to wait 2-3 months after the updates come out before updating, that way bug issues etc. are usually addressed and fixed, or at least known and shared to the mainstream. Thanks Chris, awesome vid.
Yep. I usually wait until Christmas. Call it a Christmas gift. LOL.
Great points, thanks! I've had two major outages following updates.
Jeez, I’ve been subbed to you before your mustache went grey! (No worries, I’m pushing 60) I love your content. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. 🙏
I’m on latest update, but then, I’m also running a 2023 MacBook Pro as my Logic Pro station. So far all plugins work, including Vital, and all Arturia synths including Pigments 4. All AmpliTube plugins work as well. I haven’t checked any others, but then, they are barely used for most project anyway. I’m also not in the middle of any deadlines so there’s that as well.
You called it! I successfully upgraded 3 Macs (Studio, Mini M1, MBP 2019 Intel). I do basic amateur Logic Pro production on a personal "bucket list" album, primarily on the Studio with Akai MPKmini mkIII, Scarlet 2i2, and AT2020 XLR mic, and all went very well. Only 2 plug-ins (Air Velvet & Hybrid) that went south with Ventura last year continue to not validate. Your advice on putting multiple OS on same SSD is sound. I do that on my Intel MBP 2019 with Catalina, Win10 (bootcamp) and Sonoma on it now. I get the caution with pros and expensive plug-ins, so just saying my amateur stuff all worked well on Sonoma. Thanks for all you do!
Updated and all ok - no issues with any plug ins 👍🏻👍🏻😎💪🏻
Thanks Chris for the Logic Pro wisdom, as always. Got excited about your Beat Breaker video and wanted to update Logic Pro, which ultimately led me to understand I would have to update my MacOS, which led to understand that iZototpe and some other plugins will NOT work with an update to Ventura (yet). Sometimes I Feel like I'm chasing my tail with every update. Again, thanks for your updates on everything Logic!
I’m always using the oldest version that’s possible and only update when software really needs a Mac Os update. Works perfectly and it’s always very stable.
FYI, Neural DSP, Arturia and Toontrack plugins work super fine. That’s all I use as third party plugins.
Apple's yearly pace is not easy on these small companies 😂
Usually some brands like NI take their time, but everybody smaller is usually on time. But I always check for all the websites until I upgrade.
There's no need to upgrade because of the hype. Thanks for the links
NI take FOREVER, forget on their own fricken time, it's a farce with them!
Thank you so much
With a fairly new MacBook Pro with AppleMI chip, I hadn't noticed that it was set to auto updates. So it changed to Sonoma last weekend, and my 49-key MIDI controller went crazy, interfacing with Logic Pro X. The controller manufacturer confirmed that they're not ready for Sonoma. Even worse, switching back to Ventura was a nightmare and consumed 3 days of phone calls with Apple and several attempts to switch back. It wasn't until the 4th (of 7) Apple advisor, that I learned that procedures for working on the OS and Time Machine operations are different for the Apple vs the Intel chip machines; the first 3 advisors had given me Intel-based solutions. And even then I needed 3 more advisors to get Ventura back. A music producer friend with 20 years of experience is still working on OS Monterey - i.e. 2 generations back. Now I understand why! Thank goodness I had multiple copies of data back-up.
Saving you 6 minutes: almost no plugins are officially confirmed as compatible.
Almost..? What don't work..
I can't record any Guitar or Vocals now. Unbelievable man. There's no way for me to select input 1 or 2 in Logic. I can make a new audio track but it doesn't record and I can't even get a gain level check to register anymore. Such complete and total BS. I wouldn't have did the last lame update had I known it was going to destroy my ability to keep working on my existing song projects ffs 😡🤬😢
Thank You
I really wish I saw this before I updated. My interfaces work but I can't get any sound out of Logic X when plugged into my interfaces. I guess I'll just have to wait for some updates.
An update here would be nice. Is Sonoma okay for Kontakt and its plugins?
I’m using Catalina, Monterey & Ventura.
I boot off external Thunderbolt enclosures so My Mac’s have the same macOS they originally came with.
I’ll update to Sonoma on one (external enclosure) to test it out.
This way if something breaks I’ll have my other older drives to fall back to.
But, I will say for music production, if it ain’t broke why fix it.
Thank a lot
I just bought a mac book air m2 for a music production laptop. It is asking me to update to Sonoma. Would you say it is for the most part safe now? This is my first mac as I was previously using pc. I purchased this with the new 4th generation focusrite scarlett 2i2 and plan on purchasing logic pro.
Your channel is truly awesome love your vids!! Very informative, could you describe in detail how to set up a proper headphone/cue mix in logic I don’t seem to understand. I’ve watched the vid you made on this and it seems you can only do this if your interface has separate internal software am I correct? I have a UA 476p which was 4 outputs a two headphone inputs, is it achievable?
i would help you if you want.
@trmus Any idea if the headphone mix is possible with the UA Volt 476p I appreciate it Thanks.
Hey, what audio output interface do you use to mix to 5.1 or other?
Chris, quick question, why is my logic panning in the wrong speaker? When I pan left, it comes out right speaker, and vice versa. How do i fix this. It is happening in Garageband as well. I am using a mac book pro laptop 2012, and i have a cheap pair of kinyo computer speakers.
yes I always wait about 3 months until everything passes & check again. Usually wait another month or so and forget about ti and then check.
Hardware compatibility issues was a sleeper problem for me. I bricked my Zoom audio interface with a Mac OS update once. It hasn't even occurred to me that that was a possibility. (It was eventually resolved, but it took several months).
All good here so far on a 2019 intel imac
Already did it. So..... yes? :) I was hoping for a Logic 10.8 quick follow up.
i’ve been on the beta of Sonoma since July. it hasn’t presented a single problem either Logic or any of my third party plugins. beautiful OS. nothing to be scared of
weird because I just updated and everytime i load my kontakt plugin it crashes. plus my external harddrive keeps disconnecting all of a sudden
@@shaneisrael0608 That's why i normally don't update immediately. Heck, i'm still running macOS Catalina on my 2019 Mac Pro. Though i will need to update soon because instead of software not working because it's a new OS. At this moment, it's the other way around! 😅 But anyway sucks that this happened to you man! And i also think that's why every situation is different. I would never blindly follow someone on the internet that says everything is working okay for them and go ahead and update. I hope that everything will work out fine for you though!
@@DBLCreationsthanks bro, it seems to be working fine now only when I load Komplete Kontrol . Thanks again
I had to reinstall venture. Neural dsp didn’t work, SSL plugins didn’t work. And for some reason the stereo out was so hot. I am just glad I’m back to logic working and sounding good again lol
Honestly, I wanna go back to Big Sur, "upgraded" to Ventura earlier this year and Logic crashes roughly 75% of time these time, I usually have to open the same project 5 times or more before it stays open past load. I have never known it to be this bad.
weird i’ve had zero issues with Ventura and Logic.
That’s a bummer! I updated to Ventura a month ago, and I’ve been surprised that it has actually been more stable for me, than Monterey! Hasn’t crashed on me yet, even with intensive projects, so knock on wood haha.
I wonder if it is just going to happen on the one project that you had opened or had been using when it updated. The song that I had been working on started crashing after the update, but every other song since then has actually been better I think.
I never update to the latest OS for at least 5-6 months for my studio Mac. Plugins and software might not be ready but I also wait for a good amount of general OS updates to come out first. There's never huge updates to Logic to necessitate updating the OS. I've sometimes waited until a month or so before the next OS comes out to update to the outgoing OS...Lol. Stability over the new shiny object. Now my wife's Air?? I usually update it within a month or so of the new OS coming out.
Would it be sure and a good idea to update to Sonoma now (Jan 2024)? I'm still using Monterey.
Heyy i updated to Sonoma and now I'm facing a problem in vocal recording some noise is coming in audio recording how can i fix it , please help me 🙏🏻😭
I updated but one thing worst happened, logic isn't allowing me to flex pitch every time it crashes at the end of analysis.. what should I do?😢
I managed to stay on Monterey on my M1 mini, but I finally upgraded to Sonoma. I should have waited, but Logic’s new Mastering plugin was too tempting. My only issue right now is that Superior Drummer is sluggish. Toontrack even posted a warning about Sonoma on their site, but I didn’t see that till it was too late!
I literally just updated to Ventura 6 weeks ago.
14.2 is when I'lll consider it. I'll let the trailblazers find the problems for me.
I'm having problems with STL Tonality plugins, after the update.
I updated. Fine
I updated and everything seems to be working for me. My only issue is the appearance in the DAW looks….glitchy. Anyone know how to fix this?
so did you end up updating to Sonoma? I'm a Mac 2019 27"
You should have made an STL “model” of your current mac before updating so you could virtualize both mac setups
Good advice. I also have a policy of never installing .0 release of any major operating system update.
so you are on Yosemite?
Updated my M1 mini without thinking about it. Scarlett 2i4 and MPK mini work fine. Neural DSP is good . I did look up izotope though and it's technically not supported, but I haven't tried it yet.
did you try it?
LOL, I'm still on MacOS Monterey... OS upgrades take me a long time to troubleshoot not only all of my recording/mixing gear, but also the VFX tools I use for work. So I only do it when its really really necessary.
I never got the fact that the software companies are always way behind every release. Don't the have access to the betas went out before the final release?
I'm still on Monterey and I only upgraded to get Atmos. My DJ computer is still on High Sierra cos it's 💯 solid and you can't have crashes in a club with a dancefloor full of people.
I'm on Big Sur still and will be for a while since my workstation is a Ryzentosh so I don't want to break my system 😅
Why update if everything works fine. Look out ! Have a good back up plan.
evrig daw and plugins i have works with Sonoma with rosetta instaled atleast for me i always use all my daws in rosetta mode
Just updated to Sonoma and my plugins that were crashing all month after a previous update are up and running. Go figure...
After Slate plugins took over half a year to get their plugins working on Monterey, I just stay a year behind on my system as Logic always seems to support the previous OS for that length of time.
By which time Apple has already released another "new" OS. As a general approach, I IGNORE the "manufactured
obsolescence" crap Apple and others now think is so damn clever. How clever are they? Recall the same stupid
corporate trick from the U.S. auto manufacturers in the 1970's and how spectacularly that worked in the 1980's
against the Japanese and European imports. Time to start telling the WankBots NO. NO MORE DAMN "UPDATE"
CHASING. Have what you need? Then you can be DONE.
I just checked with Waves and they told me that they haven't tested with Sonoma, (Waves v14 is not compatible) so if you use waves do not update. And v 14 was there latest update. As far as logic itself I would not update until the next logic update comes and it tells you it needs you to update. Otherwise it's probably not completely configured for it.
Thanks for your great video and tips. By the way, you strongly remind me of Mr. Clarke from Stranger Things! 😃You got a new sub 👍
I updated without seeing this first. Logic and Arturia have been running just the same as before the update. I haven't noticed anything different as of yet.
Any changes with logic or any 3rd party plug-ins?
Well, now Sonoma, maybe I sgould upgrade to Ventura before? 😁
Maybe I was too conservative this time as I'm still under Monterey.
So am I...
I’m not even updated to Ventura yet… 😅
Apple MacOS From 12 Monterey to 13 Ventura left my 3rd party apps unresponsive. Roland and Tascam did not update. There are issues with the new security that blocks the interface. What is so important that 14 is needed ??? Nothing at the moment. I will wait until the bugs are fixed. I always say look before you leap. Once you update, there is no going back without wiping your hard drive or create a partition. Logic pro 10 user Mac mini M1
im having issue with my pro tools
My Apogee Quartet no longer works after installing Sonoma.
Should MacOS revert to 3 yearly updates?
O I got it so clear now. No way I am going to update OS to Sonoma. I stay on Monterey! Too many peripherals that are not compatible! Thanks
sure, when you are ready due to it being stable itself much less from a 3rd party standpoint. i'm using monterey and will be updating to ventura in a couple days. nothing new from that standpoint.
Thanks.I hope it's ready for use by now.Apple should not bring updates so quickly.
too late, but it works.
I wouldn't, i waited to much for Plugin Alliance to work in Ventura for taking the risk now, i don't need new wallpapers.
Chris I solved my panning problem. I am a moron, my left speaker was on the right side, and my right speaker was on the left side of my desk. I just assumed like a moron that speaker with the volume, treble, and bass knobs should be on the left side, and apparently that is the right side speaker. So I don't need your help with this issue, I was just a moron.
This vid is about a major update. But even intermediate small updates can ruin your system. An intermediate update of Monterey whiped my whole midi setup from my system. So, if updating is not necessary, and all your gear is working well, then don’t update. You cannot afford the troubles for a few gimmicks.
The last "security update" for Mojave screwed up my whole machine for weeks until the following "update"
unscrewed it again. There was a time when Apple and Mac were totally reliable; those days disappeared
some years ago. Now I wouldn't trust them with a burnt-out match, let alone anything I need to use.
I just updated now Cinema 4D doesn't work.
Sonoma doesn’t seem to have anything to do with music production improvements: why bother?
I will only update when the plugin alliance releases their version...previously I updated earlier and struggled a lot... I can't even use the paid versions lol 😂
I wish the current logic was for availble for older intel macs.
And newermac could go back a couple versions. To ealier os versions.
Thats the one thing i hate about macs they update the system way too much and they dont allow new machines to go back a few is versions and vice versa.
Very soon no intel macjines will be able to run the latest os.
Fortunately they can run tne latest windiws and linux.
The other problem is on newer macs once the internal drive goes your machine is bricked.
And will not even boit from external drives.
Apple needs to fix this on m1 and m2 machines as you cannot replace the ssd or memory ever.
ruclips.net/video/7qdf5rD5xyo/видео.htmlsi=KgrwiaVknDu6WdOM. Thought the same thing till I saw this ..seems all types of Macs can update.. there's other vids to check out as well ..hope this helps..
Put simply
If you have the latest m2 Mac and you don’t use plug-ins especially from a third-party you’re going to be good to go otherwise leave it alone Just get on with the music
Or if you love bugs stress and pulling out your hair go for it
Software developers must truly hate these continual updates nightmarish
As a pro, I simply CANNOT ever just update. I ride about 4 to 12 months later than releases. I know guys who run serious studios who simply don't update until they are forced to by external events. It ALWAYS brings new bugs and things stop working. Most of the new toys or processes are for bedroom producers and DJs. They STILL haven't fixed the "octave and harmonic" glitching in flex-pitch detection that ruins it's operation.
If it aint broke then dont fix it ,... yeh i am messing with my system, thegoal is to make music, and its working fine.. so I dont need anything else. LOL thank you
Third party companies should file a bill to Apple and Microsoft for every time the update of the OSs ruins their software 😂
Imagine all the hours spent on development, and all the money spent and material waste created each year because of their egoism. It’s extreme.
Apple is more concern about drama not music production.
Did anyone say how to AVOID Apple updating it when you aren't watching? Here's how: Click the apple top left..click system settings...click "software update available" look up at top of that panel to "automatic updates" and then click the "info" button to shut off Apple installing the new OS when you aren't paying attention, sleeping, or away from your machine.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
even logic is full of bugs, so beware :)
Any new drivers for 3rd party plugins will lag.....developers need time to develop......software 101
If its not broke...DONT FIX It!
Apples's motto seems to be "If it ain't broke, you ain't kicked it hard enough yet".
Broken for me even after a few months and I would never update ever again. I'm now using Rosetta mode.
Apple super trash 🗑 if logic was on windows I would sell my mac same day man.
Hey Chris, you said it all so politely and politically correct. I would put it this way… If you update immediately, when a new operating system comes out… You’re an idiot. You might luck out and everything will be fine, but you’re still an idiot. I wait at least three or four months. Also, I just don’t understand why there needs to be a new operating system every year. Friend of mine upgraded too soon and several of his Adobe programs do not work correctly anymore. He had to roll back through Time Machine.
like... doesn't say anything this video
Just don’t do it. You’ll inevitably have plug-in problems.
Rule of thumb: No.
Im sick of the OS names. Just give me the OS number.
It was not helpful at all