Hi guys! We were spared heart attacks mid development with the ace attorney announcement thank goodness NOT being more to consider for the original ranking. So enjoy this wonderful new project that we had a BLAST making. We loved every moment of this.
Fun fact: Herlock Sholmes was indeed intended to be the OG Holmes. However, the collection was coming out just a couple years before Sherlock Holmes entered the public domain. So yes, it was to avoid a rights dispute with Doyle's estate, but the result is still absolutely hilarious and perfectly on the nose for Ace Attorney.
@@irtehmrepic oh I asked my dad about the original Sherlock Holmes while making notes about this game and from the sounds of it these games 1000% nailed it.
@@Kaempfdog It's also a nice shout-out to another author that Japan really favors, Maurice Leblanc. Leblanc had to do the same letter switch to get Sherlock to appear in one of his Arsene Lupin novels.
@@llSuperSnivyllWait that's confusing so the name is public domain but the character isn't ? So you can have a character name Sherlock Holmes but isn't Sherlock Holmes ?
@@Lucario1121 Until last year, you could use Sherlock Holmes, but not use the characterization Arthur Conan Doyle gave him after Sherlock returned from "death".
I disagree with how you approached the 3rd and 5th case. Maybe it's just me, but you seem to want more 'standart' AA story. Yes, Magnus in any other game could have served as a much more threatening antagonist than Graydon. Yes, 3rd conclusion is unsatisfying. However, I don't think it would quite fit the game's theme. The entirety of Adverntures has this sense of melancholy to it. The killer of the first case can't be properly brought to justice. The second case is an absolutely senseless loss of life. The fourth case shows just how hard life is for average folk (Bobbies, jurors, everyone basically). It makes sense to me that the game will choose anticlimax over a climax then. The Big Bad, Magnus McGilded, is never brought to justice. Ashley Graydon's backstory is perhaps one of the most realistic in AA franchise. He is a person trying to compensate for lack of affection from his parents by money. He basically hordes it like a dragon endlessly, because in reality no matter how much he tries he can never fill the void inside. He shuns the poor to separate himself from his past. And he is a great contrast to Gina, who is literally his polar opposite. In the end, I feel like the themes of this game like class-imblanace and moving on with what you have fit more in this type of story. Rather than a tale of how young Japanese student takes down a big bad Magnus McGilded.
video's editor & co-writer here, I actually agree with most of your observations here but I feel like they're all beside the point of our actual problems with cases 3 and 5. the fact that this story isn't told in the "standard" way is in fact a good thing, it's why the case is still higher in our ranking than other more infamous cases like Turnabout Serenade or Turnabout Sisters, and it's also for this very reason that I actually personally disagree with my brother's take that McGilded should've stayed alive (which I didn't challenge as I agreed it would've been more fun than what we got albeit in a different way & given McGilded's evil tirades a purpose, but I know that's not what the game was going for). the real trouble for us was that they kept undercutting that sense of melancholy and making choices with these characters and reveals that made us not actually care as much about them as much as we potentially could've. they REALLY beat into your head that McGilded is some kind of big bad-type character, so when he dies it again feels like the entire case was all but rendered pointless, there's no loose end left open either since they all but already told us McGilded did it. I believe that if they'd just cut out all those parts going all on-the-nose making McGilded evil laugh and go on all those traditional evil monologues, made it more ACTUALLY ambiguous whether or not he did it, I think his death would've emotionally hit way harder and contributed to that sense of melancholy way more and made you actually feel that lack of justice being served. meanwhile Graydon's biggest problem isn't as much our lack of sympathy for his backstory, that's subjective and I can definitely see where your interpretation comes from. our biggest trouble with Graydon was that him being McGilded's killer undercuts the emotional stakes of the SECOND game, which is so heavily centered around the mystery of the Reaper, making it so that the Reaper's dirty work never happens to anyone you ever meet onscreen or know the name of. we didn't directly mention this in the video to avoid direct spoilers but this point especially felt like a tease while we replayed the game and saw that Gregson was literally right there on the scene during McGilded's death and was the one who told you about the mystery of the Reaper to begin with in case 4, a missed opportunity right there in front of our faces
Yes I completely agree! That's what I love about this game and why I actually prefer it over the original trilogy (even though I adore those games). There's a sad realness to all of the cases and that feeling follows into the second game too. It felt weird, but interesting, that the final case in the first game is the only time you actually feel like you actually catch a murderer. In the first, the killer gets away with it, in the second the death was a complete accident, in the third your client is the killer and not only does he get away with it but he DIES later on too and in the fourth case there wasn't even an actual death and the 'attempted murder' was a mistake too. The fifth case is really tragic and you summed up my feelings on Graydon perfectly. I thought he was a great antagonist. And I think that killing off McGuilded was a good choice. I remember watching that cutscene with my jaw wide open. His death was so dark and real. You hate the guy, but his death still really solidifies the threat of the reaper for you (at that point in the story). There's just a real sense of unease that haunts the rest of the game. Even when you find out that it was Graydon and not the reaper I don't think that undercuts the threat of the reaper at all. Just because this one death wasn't the reaper it doesn't take the looming threat of it away for me in the second game. I just took it as Graydon getting to McGuilded before the reaper itself. I love how they really stepped outside the box with the Great Ace Attorney games and their cases. They play with your expectations so well. They kill off important characters after you get to know them, which shocked the hell out of me. They have attempted murder cases as opposed to just plain murder ones , but the themes and stories in those cases are just as compelling. They even have one case that isn't set in a courtroom. In one case one of your clients IS the killer and the way you just gradually exhaust of all possible grains of hope that HE might be innocent is kind of horrifying to experience, just absolute dawning dread (this is why I love Engarde too but the fact that it was Ryunosuke's first client was so unexpected). I just love these games to death. You never know what to expect before starting a new case.
Personally, McGilded’s breakdown didn’t make whether or not he was killer as obvious as it seemingly was for you. It definitely established that he wasn’t a good guy, but I was still questioning whether or not he was the real killer until it was explicitly confirmed in Case 5. Because of that, McGilded and the omnibus burning in the end meant to me that the truth would likely never come to light and since the series puts so much thematic importance on the truth, it made the ending feel sinister and unnerving rather than unsatisfying.
For me the difference is the absence of an active villain in there. Everyone comes off as equally unnerved, jumping around with their secrets being directly tied to the murder. And there's so many difficult situations leading to such high stress nerves around. And when he breaks down, with the dramatic angles and scary faces and laugh, no other character had THAT close of a response and considering the subjects, it just screamed at us. He kept switching gears so much it truly felt like his true self snapped out when he did or didn't get his way. Once the breakdown occurred it became "You brought a personal branded knife to this." I agree about the sinister and unnerving feeling and would have been ok with that sinister and unnerving sense if he was ALIVE. The guilty haven't walked free since Dahlia, and with this guy's resources him slipping through our fingers would scare the living DAYLIGHTS out of me. I would have been scared out of my MIND if Gina stole McGilded's coat using the broker's ticket and the spray reveal occurred. I would IMMEDIATELY start racing in my head, if she's gone rogue of his plan, what does he have in store?! Not to mention an implied grudge match between Van Zieks and the man himself. All of that would have had more purpose if he was alive. But they also had the OTHER avenue with it literally being the SYMBOL of the Reaper of the Bailey. Would've been nice if it was actually connected to that story ESPECIALLY with McGilded's true motive for the murder. AND the people present. When NEITHER were picked and we returned to this case, all I saw was potential with strict cut off points. But that's just me.
@@joeyburkhart6602 Paht Rohl, Pat and Roly, and Patricia Roland. I’m thinking what her new name will be. I’m pretty prepared for those actually because I was introduced to names before the fan translation everyone played. 1st name I got was Jennifer Reese.
I don't think you gave Ashley Graydon enough credit. He's easily one of the most tragic killers in the series. It was clear that Graydon was traumatized by his harsh childhood, he was so terrified of returning to a life of poverty that he would do ANYTHING to avoid it, clawing his way up to a high ranking job of communications worker and conspiring with McGilded. And his relationship with his father. It was implied that Mason Milverton didn't have the healthiest of relationships with Ashley, borderline neglectful. So when Ashley left, he never looked back. But then over 10 years later, he returns to ask his father a favor, and he's overjoyed to see his son again, more than willing to make the disks for him. And when he found out the true nature of McGilded's dealings, he went in Ashley's stead to protect him, and because of this he was murdered. For what reason we'll never know, maybe Mason tried to force McGilded to leave his son alone? The line from Ashley says it best: "I don't know what happened that night, but all I know was my father went to deal with McGilded, and he never came home". Mason loved Ashley so much that he dealed with McGilded to make sure he wasn't harmed. And because of this, Ashley swore revenge on McGilded, but to do so, he lied, killed, and nearly got an innocent girl locked away, he effectively became just like the man he hated so much. And with this revalation, Graydon breaks down, not with screaming or wild antics, but with tears, he couldn't take it anymore and the truth finall came out.
And yet his far more memorable traits are his practical dance off with Sholmes, EVERY TIME HE MOVES, and it just makes it THAT much harder to make someone so animated also be the tragic villain and it mixed kinda poorly with one winning out the other. Which is where our misgivings with him lie.
@Kaempfdog I agree that there's a bit of cognitive dissonance with Graydon, but it's also intentional, the flashy and wealthy Eggert Benedict could *never* be that dirt poor boy from the slums Ashley Milverton, could he? It's just another way of Graydon trying to bury his past
It's not just trauma, but also greed. Graydon was deluded into thinking he needed to get away when in reality he desired going a step up in society. If he was simply traumatized he wouldn't have abused the Skulkin's, nor would he have lied to Mason. It was only after Mason died that Graydon truly understood the situation, but instead of reflecting on it he turned it into anger against McGilded and continued to live his delusion of a rich english gentleman. His appearance and animations are not only funny but also purposely exaggerated, as it happens when someone is trying to pretend being someone he is not. This character has a lot of depth, just like Nina. It's honestly kinda sad that people consider McGilded the best villain here, when you consider all that the game has to offer
I think the laughing and the freak out of McGuilded honestly better. Because of the lack of evidence, you can't 100% say he did it. The freak out and laughing imply that he did, right? But the not guilty verdict is saying that he didn't. It's this confliction of emotions of one half being like, oh he totally did it. But the other half being like, but there isn't enough proof to completely prove it. And him dying makes it even better. Because without know what comes later. It almost makes all of this feel final. You don't know if you did the right thing or not. And now that he is dead, you will probably never know. Now you will be forced to wonder for the rest of your life if you made the right choice or not.
Fun fact: the TGAA did not come up with the name Herlock Sholmes, this name originates from the book series of books Arsene Lupin, centered the Phantom Thief of the same, which the author Maurice Leblanc wanted to have face off agaisnt Sherlock, but due to copyright had to name him Herlock Sholmes. Also yes I did get this from Persona 5
Wow the adventures of the run away room that low. Personally I have to complete opposite opinion to you two regarding the case. I definitely agree on the great parts you highlighted but I do disagree that it was disappointing at the end. I thought it was amazing how this guy migilded managed to outplay literally everyone especially you and the moment you point out that the evidence you presented was fake, you immediately know he’s the killer but cannot do anything about it because of how hard you worked to give him a not guilty verdict. And i personally like the fact that he dies at the end, it ties well with the end of the final case and it prevents a lame Excuse for them to make his character worse. His character was only amplified imo because of his actions and impacts upon Ashley Grayden and Gina. If it wasn’t for DGS-3 I would’ve put this game near the bottom of my personal ranking. That’s totally my opinion tho and it’s kinda nice seeing someone have a complete opposing opinion of me.
@@Tutel1234 We have been WELL aware how this case was received by many. And we were bracing for impact on the choice to name it the worst of the 10. Repeat visits on killers between both Kristoph and Dahlia have only ever benefit from them escaping, or escaping their mindsets, and it strengthens them when you chase them THAT much longer with more determination to put them in their place the more context you have. In Magnus McGilded’s case, it was a poor decision to give us such a gigantic scene with Gina and the blood sensory when the guy is completely absent as a threat. Because he’s dead, he can’t be called back to the stand, and they treat it like a this changes EVERYTHING kind of moment. It’s…just really hard to swallow. And we’ll get to why his death in the WAY it happened was also a mistake.
@Kaempfdog Yeah I understand definitely where your coming from as you are considering replay value as a huge factor in your ranking and I respect that whole heartedly. Honestly it’s acc really cool to see someone see this case as very different from mine and a lot of others and I do get where your coming from on how it is very disconnected with the main plot and I do see where your coming from as being a huge misoppotunity. Nevertheless I still think he pulls this case as amazing in my opinion even with replay value as I saw this case less like a 3rd case and more like a 1st in Britain (similar to 4-1), and while I agree that not being able to cross examine him at the end is a bit disappointing I think in the grand scheme it was to just show the corruption on the British courts and the reaper of the Bailey (even tho it was grayden who did burn it down but that’s not the fault of this case). I see that this case as an introduction for the great ace attorney as a whole not the set up of DGS, so I can see where we differ. but I still think get where your coming from and I’m glad that you did point out the plot holes of DGS. I’m REALLY looking forward to the next instalment in this series and am looking forward :)
When I first played the third case, I ended up stopping halfway through the trial, and because my monthly hyperfixation on Ace Attorney was over, I didn't pick the game back up until about a year later, which made the whole "was the omnibus tampered with" part of the trial a lot more interesting to me because I literally forgot.
to be fair, i played the whole trial in one sitting and STILL forgot. the game really doesn't call that much attention to it the first time you look around in there.
For my part i also played the case in one sitting but i noticed the fake blood right away at the beginning of the court session in question, because i always look at all tje evidences at the beginning and the end of each court session.
I agree with some opinions and disagree with others. For starters, Van Zieks introduction was amazing. Also they really glossed over Roly. He is more complex than they let on. Dude got pushed around by Pat but the moment she said things she shouldnt have, he either got weirdly stern or pretended to fall asleep again.
In defense of Roly, that one night was basically the only night where he got to actually spend time with his wife, only for that to be taken away. So to actually be able to even spend time with her, he did what he did (which although yes, it’s a bit annoying), which makes him more sympathetic.
I didn't like these two at first, but the reveal of what happened to Roly actually broke me. The guy is a devoted policeman in a system that actively breaks him and literally God itself decided he wouldn't have any respite. Among all the unfairness we have seen in the Ace Attorney series, this one really resonated with me. I think the whole case has an overlying theme of "fate" around it that gives it a bit more depth. The inability to escape what seems like being condemned to misery. You end up destroying the lives of both couples to save Soseki, even though none had really bad intents.
I enjoyed the couple a LOT more than my brother. But didn’t have many constructive compliments compared to his criticisms. And agreed they may have overstayed their welcome. In situations like that the criticisms take the conversation with the one that it bothers more talking about it. That’s why I spearheaded the complaints on Pop Windibank because it actively infuriated me.
@@quadrewplex6782 well I’m not in a boat TOO far when my brother explained to me all the foreshadowing of Robin Newman’s big reveal. And then I had to act like yes I DID see all that foreshadowing and it didn’t blow over my head by a mile after playing the game HALF A DOZEN TIMES. But my analyzing has improved a lot over these past few years as well.
I would say Jezaille is fine. I gotta refresh on your general case 1 thoughts, but I think it's fine that the culprits in them tend to be pretty obvious since I don't think it's any of their intentions at all to have the player think otherwise. The only cases that attempt to hoodwink you on that front are 3-1 and 4-1, and honestly even 3-1 I'd say barely so, since one of the first pieces of dialogue in AA3 is Doug telling Nick and basically the player to beware of Dahlia in the opening cutscene. I guess it's just a "mileage may vary" scenario on how much you care about the series subverting certain trends it has or not. For tutorial cases specifically, its cool when they go big, but i also don't mind them staying true to form. Also in regards to the McGilded and Reapers Curse thing, I mean... Yeah your bro is right, you really could only have one or the other here. But i disagree with both of you in that don't think Eggbert axing McGilded ruins that. The curse is that "defendants tried by Von Zieks end up dead, no matter the verdict in court" how or by who never really mattered. It still falls in line with that establishing why the folks in London believe so. Then I'm pretty sure we start to see it getting put into question by having confirmation Natsume returned to Japan safely in this game anyway, or at least the theory that it doesn't work outside Europe lol. But even then, the foggy nature of the curse falls in line with the era this game takes place in, folks would more easily believe in superstitions such as the reapers curse and all. My point here being, I get the allure of wanting to see more from McGilded as an antagonist, but he was necessary to off in order to add to the Reaper schtick of Von Zieks. Now i still gotta finish GAA2, on the last case iirc. Or close to it at least. On case 4 or 5 iirc. So maybe future knowledge of the whole game shapes your disappointment in it more than mine atm lol.
All I can say about Case 3 is the full game matters. We look at these cases in the perspective of several playthroughs and looking for good tie ins. Setup and follow-through go hand and hand.
Sorry but this "Great Analysis" is so superficial, I couldn't continue watching after your "analysis" of the first episode. Let me have a quick go at actually analyzing Episode 1: The Great Ace Attorney started development with one core phrase: 先祖 x 元祖 Ancestor meets Pioneer This was the inspiration that would give rise to The Great Ace Attorney as we know it. The Ancestor of Phoenix Wright meeting the Pioneer of the episodic mystery genre, Sherlock Holmes. The game transports us to Victorian England and Meiji era Japan; a time in which both contemporary detective fiction and our modern judicial system blossomed internationally; a period in history often characterized by its rapid innovation. In the midst of these dynamic times, our protagonist's life would get completely upended. Ryunosuke Naruhodo, a well-off university student, finds himself accused of a murder he didn't commit. A British foreign exchange student responsible for the killing aims to escape persecution, aided by the Japanese government. The Japanese judiciary is more than willing to imprison a compatriot as a scapegoat in order to not jeopardize their international relations with the British Empire. Yet, a true warrior of justice awakens in Ryunosuke as he aims to prove his innocence and bring about justice. No opening in Ace Attorney has as strong of a hook as this first episode of the Great Ace Attorney. While previous Ace Attorney games do a good job of introducing the player to the addicting thrill of solving a mystery and the endearing charm of the series, here we are also introduced to more expansive world building, introduced to multiple main characters with conflicting aims, and an intriguing central mystery. The Great Ace Attorney took on the near impossible task of rebooting the series and having to endear the audience to a completely new setting and cast of characters, but these games managed that spectacularly, even as early as this opening episode. From Ryunosuke Naruhodo, a nervous wreck completely out of his element and forced to represent himself court, to Kazuma Asogi, a cool-headed friend who seems reliable yet holds a deep secret while simultaneously willing to risk it all for his best friend, to Yujin Mikotoba, a professor who clearly knows more than he lets on but aims to keep everyone out of this mess, to Susato Mikotoba, a competent judicial assistant who is more than willing to break social norms of the time and barge into the courtroom with vital evidence for the pursuit of justice. This core cast already does a wonderful job of shaking up the core archetypes of Ace Attorney. This time, we can truly see the protagonist's journey from completely incompetent rookie to ace attorney; we can more realistically see a bond growing between our co-counsels and the protagonist over the course of the game; we see characters hold secrets and have conflicting desires. The standard Ace Attorney formula is turned around. The formula of the Sherlock Holmes universe is completely upended as well. Our first victim is a certain John H. Watson, and our culprit is an Irene Adler inspired femme fatale, who - seemingly like Irene Adler - appears to make her escape from justice scot-free. Our expectations of how these games will incorporate the Sherlock Holmes canon are toyed with before we even get to meet the man in question. The stakes are already high after only one episode (without veering into insane proportions), not just as the next step for Ace Attorney but also as a daring take on the world of Sherlock Holmes. While the pacing is prolonged and the difficulty of the challenges is on the lower end, the strengths of this opening episode lie in how it takes on the Ace Attorney formula. The episode feels less insular than the average Ace Attorney opening episode, with implications of the story sketching a deep past of and an intriguing future for the characters. Elements from Ace Attorney 4 and Layton VS Wright return to create a more grounded and darker feeling Ace Attorney, with higher stakes and a story that seems to actively critique dysfunctional court systems. With the western concept of adjudication being newly introduced to Japan, the courtroom has an uncertain and chaotic tone to it, even oppressing at times. From the menacing gallery, to the stern judge, to the substandard forensic rigor of the police, to the chaotic testimonies of multiple witnesses, the atmosphere in the courtroom is very volatile and stacked against Ryunosuke. The courtroom proceedings feel strangely juvenile, as if court decorum and due process haven't had the chance to fully establish yet as the status quo for courtroom proceedings, as if the judicial system is still in its infancy. This lack of judicial rigor is also exemplified by the poor handling of evidence, as is the case in allowing a witness to break a vital piece of evidence on the stand, or by having an incompetent inspector give away his disguise, or having that same incompetent inspector lose sight over the crime scene which then gets tampered in his absence, the same incompetent inspector who aims to conduct a perfect investigations, yet holds back vital evidence until the end of the trial. The judicial system has quite a ways to develop, so all it can rely on now is a faked visage of justice, appearing oppressive and unrelenting and harshly punishing to the innocent defense in lieu of a genuine pursuit of justice. 1/3 continued below
Other familiar Ace Attorney conventions are similarly played around with in this first episode. Of course, it's series tradition for our protagonist to face off against a member of the Payne family. However, rather than being indifferent toward facing yet another Payne, I found Taketsuchi Auchi one of the more compelling adversaries we've seen in an opening episode. Rather than just being a mostly incompetent push-over of a prosecutor, Auchi actually plays a very important role in the world-building and political setting of The Great Ace Attorney. Auchi represent the "old guard" of the Japanese judiciary. Auchi's samurai attire is not just a funny visual gag, it also represents his sense (and his generation's sense) of superiority toward the newer generation, Ryunosuke and Kazuma. On many occasions Auchi voices his distress toward the younger generation proclaiming their rights and fighting for justice. He sees Kazuma and Ryunosuke as mere students, rather than as the future of his country, and reminds them on multiple occasions to stay within their lane. There is no better example of this when Susato enters the courtroom with vital evidence. Auchi is so attached to the out-dated and backwards status quo, that he would rather see a woman immediately dismissed from the courtroom which she isn't legally allowed to enter rather than give all legitimate evidence and testimony due diligence in a righteous court of law. Frankly, Auchi is the personification of the cowardice of the Japanese government. Their cowardice toward the changing of the times. He represent the desire of the powers that be - the Japanese government - to only change if it brings them more international authority and influence, but not to embrace change that could bring their own tried and true traditions in danger. On more than one occasion, Auchi is willing to bend over backwards to get Jezaille Brett off the hook. Auchi is tunnel-visioned into celebrating and nurturing the greatness of the Japanese Empire, and clearly believes that maintaining amicable relations with Great Britain and being abused as a political puppet by the British judiciary is the sure-fire way for Japan to succeed, even if that would mean sentencing an innocent man to prison for a crime they didn't commit. The "old guard" prosecutor in traditional samurai garb faces pushback from the defense counsel, the new generation of samurai on a mission. Incredibly compelling theming that brings the series' iconic back-and-forth between defense and prosecution to life in a way the series hasn't seen before (especially in an opening episode). Auchi refuses to back down and make way, yet the times are changing no matter what, and whatever obstructs the path of change gets cut down in the process. Another great example in which this central theme of the "changing of the times" manifests itself in this opening episode is three of the individuals that take the stand during this episode. Firstly, we have Kyurio Korekuta, an elderly antique shop owner. He seems to represent the older generation of the Japanese elites, just like Auchi. Kyurio owns much wealth as an antique shop owner, and rather than looking forward into the future that is to come, Kyurio is obsessed with relics from the past. Relics he holds on to for dear life. Not because of the lessons these relics can teach us, but purely for the selfish reason of wanting to profit of the monetary value of these older relics. Secondly, we have Iyesa Nosa. An army veteran nearing middle age. He appears to represent a stratum of Japan's society that has been exploited by its government. Throughout the 19th and 20th century, Japan fought many wars and colonized many regions in Asia, in the pursuit of becoming the greatest power in Asia that could compete with the larger and more advanced Western Imperial powers. These wars would be the ones Iyesa Nosa would have fought in and be wounded in as a former soldier. Iyesa Nosa gave his life for his country, yet has been neglected by the powers that be. These days, Iyesa Nosa lives in poverty, having to resort to thieving precious koban coins at a wealthy restaurant with rich clientele to provide for his family. The Japanese government aims to become an imperial power, something the Great Ace Attorney comments on throughout the series later on as well, and here we see one of the victims of the Japanese governments exploitation of its people in Iyesa Nosa. Lastly, we have Aido Nosa. Aido, who's admittedly moreso a joke of a character, actually fits in the generational line up of the witnesses very well (even better than inspector Hosonaga or Jezaille Brett). Aido is a newborn baby who represents the future of Japan as a country. Unlike Kyurio (who will profit off of Japan's wealth for only a few more years) and unlike Iyesa (who has already been exploited by his country), Aido represents a clean slate and the possibilities of where Japan can go as a country. Aido is the future victim of the incredibly turbulent time which awaits ahead of him throughout the remainder of the 19th and all throughout the 20th century. Aido is also part of the new generation who has to occupy the saddle and take over the reins to steer the world into a brighter future. This idea of the "changing of the times" embodies every single aspect of Episode 1 The Adventure of The Great Departure, but also every single aspect of Great Ace Attorney as a whole. Obviously, as a reboot to the Ace Attorney series The Great Ace Attorney is constantly asking itself the question "which conventions that have entrenched themselves in the Ace Attorney formula over the years need to be challenged and scrutinized?" How can the series modernize, iterate, and ensure its future, while looking at what worked before and expanding on this. Funnily enough, The Great Ace Attorney's answer to that is by returning to a pivotal historic setting, one that meant a lot to the birthing of the Japanese modern legal system and the pioneering of the contemporary detective novel. 2/3 continued below
This is not the only time the Ace Attorney series has been introspective and retrospective like this. Of course, Ace Attorney 4 was a similar attempt at a reboot that simultaneously looked back while also looking forward, however we can go back all the way to Ace Attorney 1 if we want to see the origin of this philosophy. Ace Attorney 1 was created by Shu Takumi as his answer to translating the experience of reading a detective novel and solving a mystery to an interactive experience in a video game. Shu Takumi's very first mystery novel he ever read was an Arsene Lupin VS Herlock Sholmes Story. (SOURCE: Gyakuten Saiban Library "Creator Interview - Takumi Shū (2012)" posted Friday, December 4, 2020. QUOTE "Interviewer: I’ve heard you love reading mystery fiction. Could you tell us about your first encounter with the genre? Takumi: The first mystery novel I read was in elementary school. It was the Minami Yōichirō translation of Arsène Lupin contre Herlock Sholmes.") His love for the Sherlock Holmes universe, and his love for mystery literature as a whole, started with Herlock Sholmes. Takumi has talked about how this parody of Sherlock Holmes, namely Minami Yoichiro's freely translated version of Maurice Leblanc's Sherlock Holmes pastiche named Herlock Sholmes, stayed with him throughout his life. Takumi has talked about how he channeled his love for Sherlock Holmes when creating Ace Attorney. Takumi has gone on record saying that the spirit of the Sherlock Holmes he got introduced to as a kid can be found in all of his games, even before Ace Attorney introduced its own Sherlock Holmes parodies. When creating Ace Attorney, Takumi wouldn't know yet how his introduction to a Herlock Sholmes story as his first mystery would pay off many years later… In a way, Sherlock Holmes was to mystery literature what Ace Attorney was to mystery games. Both played a very pivotal role in helping pioneer and popularize what was initially a more niche genre. While detective fiction already existed in the mid-19th century, decades before the creation of Sherlock Holmes, the introduction of Sherlock Holmes represents a moment in history when detective fiction started to gain critical mass. Sherlock Holmes stories helped introduce mystery fiction to a completely new and naïve casual audience. Holmes became an icon and an inspiration to many, and brought about a wave of interest by readers and authors alike to engage in the booming genre of mystery fiction. The Holmes canon has gone on for decades, with many episodic installments of enjoyable and thrilling mysteries. Holmes has since become the ubiquitous and most recognizable figure from its genre. Similarly, Ace Attorney is in no way the first mystery game to have been made, or to have been a success. Ace Attorney has been preceded by decades of point-and-click adventure games, mystery games, puzzle games, visual novel adjacent games, and much more. However, Ace Attorney represents the moment that (once again) a mostly naïve and casual audience got introduced to a beginner-friendly installment in the mystery genre of games. This time, it was the casual Nintendo audience on handhelds that were introduced to this genre en masse. Ace Attorney has become an icon and an inspiration to many gamers and developers, and proved there was renewed interest in a genre that seemed to have been dying out in its relatively obscure niche. The series has gone on for over two decades with many installments featuring multiple enjoyable and thrilling episodic mysteries. Iconography of the Ace Attorney series is known far and wide in pop culture circles. Since the year 2001, Ace Attorney has become the de facto example of traditional adventure/puzzle/mystery/visual novel/detective games to the wider audiences. And Ace Attorney has had the critical and commercial success to match. The series has sold well over 11 million units, a spectacular feat for a series in its genre post-2001, only exceeded by the gigantic popularity of the Professor Layton series (with over 18 million units sold), a series which funnily enough has its own existence directly owed to the Layton creator's love for Ace Attorney. The Great Ace Attorney is a very important milestone in that exact legacy of Ace Attorney. It is emblematic of a series wanting to evolve, but a series also looking back. It in itself represents "the changing of times", as a new take on Ace Attorney, as well as a new take on Sherlock Holmes, just like how Ace Attorney 1 was in essence the spirit of Sherlock Holmes reborn in a new series and in a new medium. The first episode of The Great Ace Attorney does a very admirable job of incorporating this theme of the times changing into its central mystery, its characters, its setting and world-building, its mechanics, and even its meta-narrative. The remainder of The Great Ace Attorney's narrative is very much obsessed with tackling these ideas of succession, legacy, the memoirs and mistakes of the older generations, and the adventures and resolve of the new generation... Ancestor meets Pioneer In the end, Ryunosuke and co. don't completely succeed in bringing the true culprit their due punishment. As mere university students, Ryunosuke and Kazuma are fighting an uphill battle against international forces that stand above the law. The moment they stepped foot into the closed court proceedings, they were participating in theatrics that could never bring a truly just resolution. After having faced exploitation by their own imperialist government, after having seen the class difference between the witnesses Iyesa Nosa and Kyurio Korekuta, after having endured racism and sexism from foreign powers and the old guard, Ryunosuke, Kazuma, and Susato have learned a valuable lesson: their trust in each other made them a force to be reckoned with and brought them closer to justice. They can only bring about change by believing in each other, and by believing in that shared goal. But with the secret Kazuma has been hiding from Ryunosuke concerning his true mission, that trust would only get Ryunosuke so far before he'd face yet more adversity. 3/3 end
About the 5 case maybe we could desconsider ashley as final villain. Since APPARENTLY the duology was originally supposed to be one single game. So ashley is more like middle villain
Love that you've made this two-parter! Just a note that "learned friend" is pronounced "lur-ned friend" and is a traditional way for opposing barristers to address one another in court
I find it absurd that this is the only hint we have so far of anything on Phoenix’s family. 6 main-line games, and we still know nothing of his parents or siblings, even though we did get that for Edgeworth, Apollo, and Athena.
For siblings, he has stated he's an only child, forget which game, i think its AA3. I actually kinda like we don't know about his family beyond Ryunosuke cause unlike, well, all other main attorneys in the series, his immediate family doesn't matter from what little have gotten. They're not part of a grand plot or mystery tied to corruption within the courts, he just comes from regular folk and regular upbringing but still able to be a shoulder to lean on for those with more bombastic family lives. Speaking as someone that mostly enjoys that too for the other characters.
Alias names that are catchier than the real names. Didn’t we already have that before? Oh yeah, in 2-3, we had Max Galactica, whose real name is Billy Bob Johns.
Barok Van Zieks: return to the Old Bailey after many years and face Ryunosuke. Kaempfdog: return to the analysis and ranking of Ace Attorney Cases after 3 years. Also Barok Van Zieks: throw Chalice into the lamp and slam his heel onto the desk because his 1st case since his return is at the lowest position. Also Kaempfdog: get shocked while pleading "Pray forgive the Discourtesy".
Oh my god, I have been looking forward for this video since I played The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles! (It's one of the few Ace Attorney games I have actually played instead of watching playthroughs online). This is gonna rock!
I dropped everything I was doing to watch this once I saw it was out. I've replayed this duology a genuine 10 times and hold them as my personal favourite games in the Ace Attorney franchise, so I've been excited to see what you both had to say about them. I think so far I totally understand where you both are coming from in terms of your rankings, and I can't wait to see what the opinions are for Resolve! Another fantastic video!
I've been looking forward to this for a long time! Great work on the first half of the ranking: you two never fail to make my day , whether I'm rewatching an older video or watching a new one 🙂 I agree with your placements of the cases here: while I like GTAA: Adventures quite a bit, in isolation, the game's overarching plot and the individual cases don't quite hit hard as other games in the series. The story is still enjoyable, elevated for me by the excellent graphical presentation and soundtrack. It's just not AS fantastic as other games. However, I think it works really well as a set up game to GTAA Resolve and all the excellence therein. And if considering as Chronicles as one longer Ace Attorney package rather than two separate games, Adventures is a solid first half to a very compelling overarching narrative 🙂 P.S: Your descriptions of Sholmes made me literally laugh out loud several times, so thank you for that as well.
@@GentlemanGamer94 I’ve said this a number of times. TGAA has a LOT in common with the investigations games. You can tell how much we love a franchise to praise its LOWER cases as much as we do. And we just say yeah, the competition is STEEP.
say what you will about roly beate (he didnt stand out overly much for me either tbh), but that one line he drops along the lines of "that was the first time i'd ever cursed god" was so unexpectedly fire and hearing it from him of all people was like a sucker punch
I agree with plenty of these but have my own thoughts out of recently playing games some time last year after binging the series and taking a pretty big break. I’ve finished the GAA: Adventures but not Resolve yet right now currently on the last part right before the final adventure. I really love the mechanics of the game and really enjoyed it but looking back realizing some of the flaws and want to share my thoughts adventure by adventure Adventure 1 - As first cases goes it’s one of the better ones with a great story reason for us to be learning the mechanics being someone who knows nothing about the law plus the law system being new to Japan. Getting to see Runo get more confidence as the trial progress is really awesome and shows character progression because as the cases go on you see less and less of his nervous animations. My favorite moment of the whole trial was seeing anytime Runo would do the iconic desk slam at first it was just a weak slap that even he would react to then becoming a powerful slam with his conviction. As far as protagonist he’s definitely up there with my favorites.I enjoyed a lot of the side characters and of course wise to spend more time with them but the story as other things to say. I also found Jerzaille to just be alright looking back not as scary as she seemed just more annoying but unknowing this whole first trial really sets up a lot of mysterious I have still yet to uncover which is pretty cool. Being your introduction to the way this series (plus AAxLayton) did cross examination is a lot of fun and refreshing to have a different way to try and learn info plus get the truth because of how things used to be run in the past. Adventure 2 - I found the fact we have a case which isn’t solved with a trial really fun, as much as exploring just 3 places but in reality just 2 places is pretty boring tho. But the game lets the dynamic of Runo and Susanto start to get settled plus the introduction of Herlock Shomles is so awesome and was so enraptured by him and every appearance he makes in the duology. I like how they just let you get used to how investigations are going to work now with of course as the games continue you can’t really have as short of investigation and trial days anymore so showing you that investigations are going to be pretty long on top of having a Shomles dance of deduction is so much fun to try and see how his logic works and honestly how close he can get if he just has someone to keep him focused (nod to how important his previous partner was) and how Runo can fill in that spot with his own keen observation skills. The whole story itself is just really tragic with a needless death happening because a girl even though she’s in the safest place she can be still didn’t feel secure enough ended up costing the life of our friend and now Runo has to take up the mantle and live up to Kazuma while trying to learn as much as he can in a short period of time. Adventure 3 - Again keeping us on our toes not letting us get settled in yet now we have to learn how the British legal system works and how it differs from the Japanese legal system we are used to. Runo gets thrust into defending a really shady man in McGillied he seems nice on the surface but you can tell he really means no good and its most likely just all for show. I personally think it’s one of the best intros to the rival in the series with the fabled Reaper of the Bailey finally coming back to the courtroom after all of these years because the defense attorney is Japanese. He’s really fun and intimidating with how much he talks down to everyone and his animations. Made me want to learn so much more about him and his reasons for hating the Japanese which we won’t learn in this game. The whole new jury system is awesome with Runo being the first person in a long time to do the jurazation summarization because people just always lose all the time that they think it’s pointless but Runo has the resolve to keep fighting. It’s so funny to have to the jury against each other in order to buy more time and extend the trial so you can keep fighting. My favorite part of this whole adventure is since you weren’t able to visit the crime scene, instead the crime scene is brought to you so you can investigate the crime scene as the trial goes on and you can see first hand of the tampering that’s going on. Personally I don’t think the ending of the trials is a sour note. I doubt anyone playing and closing looking at everything being said and how the stuff pieces together couldn’t figure out that McGillied was full of shit and was going to be found not guilty either way with the way he’s able to extort people. I don’t think there was any reason to leave it grey because it wasn’t grey, clearly he did commit the murder there just wasn’t anyway for him to get out of this one without tampering and perjury and we would have gotten him but the curse of the reaper struck in the first time in a long time. The curse of the reaper I feel is still in tact, it doesn’t matter if he was found innocent he instead got a different from of punishment which was going to be worse than what prison would have done, death. The curse only seems to strike when it’s actual bad guys getting away with things since others we help are able to avoid said curse. I think it’s a great case, maybe not one of the best but definitely the best of the game. Adventure 4 - We finally settle in with the natural flow of a really long investigation followed by the court case. It’s pretty standard affair of guy gets accused of murder and we have to prove them innocent. I liked our defendant in this case. He’s very sympathetic because he’s also a foreigner in a new place where they just have not treated him nicely at all, always being treated poorly and now in this situation because he’s Japanese. A lot of the characters are really funny especially the members of the jury being some of my favorites. It lets Runo see that not everyone he’s going to met be as corrupted as McGillied there are good people out there who need someone to just stand up for them. Adventure 5 - I had a lot of fun with this case, there’s just so much laughs and intrigue to uncover with you having some more suspicions of our Inspector Greyson being very sketchy and out main villain who is so obvious it’s not even funny. Ashley is surprisingly sympathetic with him living in an extremely shitting upbringing and finally was able to make it out by having to do some bad things, trying to do everything to make sure he isn’t in that situation again. McGillied killed his dad who Al thought didn’t treat him right growing up seemed to realize what he did was wrong and even tried to protect him because McGillied was going to kill him either way. It shows how bad of a person McGillied really is and I don’t think there could have been an easy way to have both him and Ashley as both villains in the final part, there’s just no way with how much they hate each other they were going to get each other way before Runo stepped him just depended on when. I also love the comedy in this part with the Skullkin Brothers trying to get Greyson wrapped into their thing and of course using the mechanics of pressing people you aren’t talking to to see that Greyson is going some bad shit and calling him out on it. While I do understand that it can drag I personally never felt that myself and just had a blast. Overall I think the main thing that hurts GAA: Adventure is that it very clearly is set up for a sequel, there are so many lose ends and mysteries to be uncovered with everything going on and I hope to uncover the as I continue playing Resolve. As the game itself I think it’s a breath of fresh air with how much variety you get, it’s not just intro case, investigate, trial investigate trial. It mixes it up with the intro case, pure investigation and then pure trial to really let players get used to all of the new systems and mechanics being thrown at them so they don’t get overwhelmed. To me it kinda seems like they wanted to make both Great Ace Attorney games just 1 really long game but restrictions and time constraints prevented that plus they would make more money selling 2 games rather than 1, reason I say that is again just how connected every single case as been even in Resolve where I’m just about to finish 4 and head into the finale, it’s just 1 huge story being told and was planned like that from the start unlike the original trilogy which was expanded on was the story was being written. Again agree with a lot of what y’all have to say just felt a lot more positive and can’t wait to see your thoughts on resolve once I finish that
The two Great Ace Attorney games where meant to be one whole game, but had to be split in two, so the final case of the first game was never meant to be a finale case
So as I've mentioned before on this channel, TGAA was my first hands-on experience with the Ace Attorney series, and I'll admit, it was a bit disheartening that from what you mentioned about it, you weren't too fond of the games, but that's no reason to be mad, or upset, and you were going to make video's discussing them anyways, so I was excited to hear say your piece on the duology; And I can honestly understand and even agree with most of your criticisms, I can 100% see where you both are coming from, and say you were absolutely valid on your takes, weather I agreed or disagreed, even though it was mostly agreeing, (Which kinda makes me nervous to re-play both of these games, and to hear you talk about Resolve admittedly) and I'm very excited to hear you discuss Resolve, and give my fuller thoughts on both TGAA 1 and 2. I do have two other things to say though. 1, I'm pretty sure the Skulkin brothers are Moreso meant to be references to the Doronbo gang from the Tatsunoko anime, Yatterman, rather than the Mario Brothers, I get what you were saying with that, but when you but both Ringo and Nash next to Tonzura and Boyaky, (The names of the two guys Ringo and Nash look like) you'll 100% see it, the only thing that would've made the reference more obvious though was if they were looking for a sister instead of a brother. And 2, want me to ruin Windibank even more? there's an easy fix to still establish he has a pistol, while leaving out the -Intentional self game over- joke, just have him try and bust a cap in the viola, rather than his own @$$, I just find the idea of a banker who is absolutely willing to destroy peoples stuff to please a customer who currently in the building funny, which also ties into him not being that cowardly, basically saying he's not afraid of the consciences of breaking his clients stuff.
@@SirIsaacFortesque the Skulkins most remind me of the 101 Dalmatians villains. Cruella Deville had 2 henchmen VERY much so like the Skulkins but obviously add a few levels of over the top 1000 fold. This was a tough game to criticize in the beginning and how we saw it as so comparable to the Investigations Duology. It’s why it’s so important to let new things sit with you before just saying it’s the best thing ever. They are both great games, but it’s also hard to breakdown how every individual case lands with the rest of the franchise. And some cases as much as you love them just end up falling short to so many better implemented ideas across…about 2 decades.
I actually disagree a bot on Ahsley Graden. We hear alot about Ginas life in the slums and growing up poor and relyong on pickpocketing. Then Ashley goes and is very much a villain all the way through. But after his breakdown as soon as he spoke about how he hated the slums. And we know exactly what that's like through Gina. He got sympathy from me at least, veey last minute, because he reflects my client. We were fed half his backstory through gina.
Dont wanna rant about too much, but i kinda admire how yall take time to replay each game, for me, any sort of murder mystery game is extremely hard to replay/rewatch, and in this case, im only able to do it if i like the youtuber enough to rewatch from their POV. Then again i have some freakishly unpopular takes about some of these cases, so maybe im just not a good person to judge this stuff. Point is, i find it amazing your able to play any of this series more then once
I feel you. This is one of my favorite game series', but even i gotta wait at least a couple years before replaying any given game. Just how i am with story heavy titles in general, like rpgs. Once i beat it, gotta let that marinate till i forget enough and can go back lol
This franchise is RARELY replayed, and we didn't give replaying much thought because it is easy to invest us in the stories and compel us with the same emotions. But in time, I kept finding crazy amounts of side dialogue NO ONE ever spoke of and went hunting for it only to find incredible amounts of story that no one had seen and could even change the perspective of the story when looked at from different angles hyper focusing on different characters. And then I just HAD to share our findings because of how far deep we went while everyone else mainly has little else but their 1st impressions. And we wanted to advocate for doing so.
@@CrabMushroom we’re notorious with bad timing ever since these two games were announced to be translated RIGHT as our original ranking was coming out. So I’m happy the inverse happened for someone!
@@Kaempfdog it's actually really funny because this channel has always provided things at the perfect time for me. I found the original 40 case ranking right after finishing the trilogy (the very brief glimpses at what was to come kept me invested for the future games), I found your dark age of the law video at the end of dual destinies, and now this!
“Since 2010”? 4 years ago… how time flies. Also, way to rock the new background! …Hold on, [Checks release date for the first two videos] They were released in 2021!
Well if it's just Resolve, you got some time. This video does not include Resolve. (Also I am a bigger fan of 4-3 than most but it just suffered in too many ways. Maybe some rescripting rather than a massive overhaul though was necessary to salvage it.)
@@Kaempfdog My main gripe was how ugly my man Klavier looked in the Serenade itself, but seeing as I haven’t played through any of the cases more than once except for 1-1 and 1-2 and am still yet to play SoJ or VS id probably put 4-3 top 10 (also 2-4 is so overated in my opinion)
These takes man… anyways 4-3 has some pretty dumb writing, especially around the defendant. The serenade is annoying, like the badger but worse. Furthermore, Klavier could have gotten much more development considering his relationship to the killer.
I’ve been waiting for this one! I love this duology, but that’s definitely thanks to playing them back to back as one big game. This one on its own would definitely feel lacking, like it’s just a prelude to the heavy stuff later on in Resolve. So case 5 here to me is more like a mid season finale, rather than a big finish. I don’t have a big problem with that, but in isolation I can see how it wouldn’t work super well. Anyway, I definitely disagree with your opinions on case 3 (Love that one!), and on Graydon (Rotating him in my mind always)...but I’m willing to forgive everything because SKULKIN BROTHERS LETS GOOOOOOOO BEST GUYS 10/10 🍎🍐
Well keep this in mind, we do take in perspective of the entire duology and where the story leads going down the line. And certain reveals got such strong hard cutoffs that didn't need to be there when the possibilities with the ambiguity could lead to an even stronger true finale and better payoffs across the full 10 cases. At least in my perspective.
Im not a huge fan of this game, but I do enjoy how unique they attempted to be. From ryu not even being a lawyer for a good chunk of the game, to the shattering of the 2 day trial formula, it’s all pretty interesting. And the lack of a “status quo” makes each case interesting to go to in a vacuum, since ryu and susato generally have a different living situation and formula going between case to case
This is the only time where it you play all.the cases in chronological order where you have to go to a different ganm since most of revelation second case takes place literly the day after the fourth case of adventures.
Mc Guilded had to be taken care like that .... i dont get any critic here ... they needed to show the reaper of the baileys real nature and also .. Mc Guilded is still the big bad of the 1. Part of DGS cant convince me other
Great video! I agree with almost all your points. Although I love van Zieks (especially thanks to the second game) and he is my favorite prosecutor. I was disappointed by this game and I even took a year long break during the fifth case because I lost interest. It isn't bad but I expected excellency and it didn't come. The second game made up for it though and knowing the characters twice as long as a usual game really made me care for the cast. I can't wait to see the next video!
The reason those and the Asinine Attorneys from Spirit of Justice aren’t rereleased is due to a certain law in Japan regarding their original release. Something like saying it’s a limited-time purchase for the original game means they can never make it obtainable again, even in another release.
To me, this video in a vacuum kinda proves my initial thoughts on the 1st game. If you were unaware, there was an attempt at making a fan translation of The Great Ace Attorney before the collection came out. The team, known as Scarlet Study, got so far as to fully translate the 1st game so always hungry for more AA content, I jumped on it and boy was I PISSED when it ended. The first game is a lot of setup for the 2nd game where you truly get the brilliance of these games and not playing the 2nd game right after only really leaves you to fester on a lot of its issues and make them far bigger. Until the collection came out, I considered Great Ace Attorney 1 to be the worst game of the franchise and to me Chronicles is truly one full game and not a duology because the 1st game doesn’t do enough to justify it existing as a stand-alone.
The watchword needed to aquire Magnus Mcgilded's coat and the 1st music disk is called PROFFESOR and in the 3rd case of the 2nd game the player is introduced to a serial killer called the PROFFESOR. Based on this, I get the feeling that Magnus was originally ment to have a bigger role in The Great Ace Attorney, but because Shu Takumi had so many ideas he wanted realised that the project had to be split into 2 games, it likelly resulted in Magnus's being deminished. I mean, I think Magnus could have been the best final boss in all of Ace Attorney if they just changed some things and addded some other things. SPOILERS IN THE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT SO ONLY CLICK VIEW REPLY AFTER YOU'VE PLAYED BOTH TGAA GAMES.
So in this rewrite I purpose that Magnus is a Journalist (with Odie Asman being his 2nd in command) who was also investigating The Proffesor Serial Killings so he could uncover their identity and coerce money out of them, less their face be center stage on the front page of the article. However upon learning that the Proffesor had been captured, but that the trial would be held in a closed court to protect their identity, Magnus waited ontill the Proffesor had his death sentence carried out and his body was barried in Lowgate Cemetary to break in and to take a picture of his face. However when Magnus arrived he saw Drebber digging up the grave and so he hid himself, waiting for the perfect oppertunitiy to take photo of Drebber to later blackmail him with. However, when Mael and Jigoku arrived, Magnus altered his goal again and took a picture of the 2 killing Genshin before quickly fleeing the scene to avoid being ID by either of the 3 men. He then made copies and anonymously sent them to Mael and Jigoku (and also has Odie blackmail Sithe over the fact that Proffesor autopty report was a complete lie) to squeze a lot of money out of them which Magnus then used to turn his news organisation into a mega-corporation, which is also used as a front for his criminal enterpises (Like blackmail and loansharking). About 5 years go by and Mael finds out that Magnus is his blackmailer and moves to have him and his underlings arrested, however Magnus finds out and arranges a private meeting between the 2 of them. There they negociate a deal where Mael will give Magnus and his employees full immunity from prosecution for past, present and future crimes they commit regardless of sevarity and exchange Magnus will hand over the identity of other criminals (competitors and people pose a threat his way of life including the innocent people) for Mael to have prosecuted. Magnus also threatens to have the pictures of Mael and Jigoku killing Genshin leaked if Mael at any point desides to annul the immunity deal for any reason. A couple more years pass by and Mason has signed a loan agreement which has resulted in him becoming a slave to Magnus. Ashley tries to buy his dad out of eternal servatute, but once Magnus finds out that Ashley is a comm officier working for the justice department, Magnus turns Ashley into a spy in exchange for Mason's life being spared. Ashley later learns of the assassin exchange program and that Magnus is also a target and collects evidence, which he puts in 2 music disks. Ashley delivers the 1st disk and music box to Magnus and Mason delivers the 2nd Disk, however during the 2nd Gina witnessed what was happening, which the 2 men also found out about. While is panicking over the fact that he's been caught redhanded commiting treason, Magnus comes up with a plan to further strengthen his grip on Mael that go's as follows: 1) Magnus murders Mason. 2) Magnus waits ontill Fairplay and Furst jump off the bus to fetch the cops before then bribing Beppo into pawning of his coat that has the 2nd music disk inside it. 3) Magnus allows himself to become the defendent in Mason's murder, but also threatens Gina to help him pin the blame on Fairplay and Furst. 4) Magnus has some of his underlings dress up as bailiffs and has Mael assign him a newby lawyer so that the frame job would be harder to detect. 5) After being found not guilty, Magnus has the bailiffs escort himself and Gina to the omnibus so he can then knock her out. 6) Magnus dresses up as a bailiff and has Gina wear his clothes before then lighting the bus on fire and escaping. 7) Magnus has Sithe write a faulse autopty report and has Odie write an article proclaiming that Gina killed Magnus. After the plan has sucseeded, Magnus telephones Mael to inform him that he's still alive and that if Mael tries to ID him that he'll have the pictures leaked. Mael then informs Magnus about the assassin exchange and why it needs to be carried (if Mael is outed for being corrupt than the deal is void) and Magnus agrees to help, becoming the 3rd mastermind. Magnus go's underground for a bit and once the heat has died down emmerges as Gina's older brother Gerald (Gina is an undocumented citizen and Magnus will have likely dealt with any Eastend kids who could prove that Gerald doesn't exist). Gerald go's by Pop's shop to retrive the coat and uptain the music disk (to prevent the assassin exchange from being exposed Magnus only needs 1 disk as you need 2 for the morse code to work). However there Ashley going by Eggard acuses him of stealing his pledge ticket (Ashley is unable to see through Magnus's disguise, however that doesn't matter as his reason for uptaining the disk is to avoid getting charced with treason as he doesn't have immunity). Luckely Ryunosuke is able to prove that Eggard is way too shady to take posetion of the coat and disk and Gregson then arrives to take posetion of set disk. Gerald is invited to come over to Sholmes's home and later sneaks out to retrive the 2nd disk, but is caught by Pop. Gerald lies and claims that he actually just wants to see if the Baskervile manuscript is still in the shop and while Pop is showing Gerald that it hasn't been sold, Ashley, Nash and Ringo break in, steal the 2nd disk and kill Pop. Ryu takes up Gerald's defence and wins, however by the end both the 2 disks and the music box and up in the posetion of the police and so Gerald joins them so he can have chance to retrive them (Ashley does not reviel the existence of the assassin exchange to avoid him mom from getting targeted by the mob). A couple cases later and Gregson dies. Our heroes are able to figure out about the existence of the assassin exchange, but also that Jigoku is about to formalise the same deal that Mael formalised with Magnus and his underlings and that Magnus still has immunity despite him being dead. There game plan go's as follows: expose Jigoku for having murdered Gregson, which then results in him outing Mael and Magnus for being the other masterminds, which then results in the deal being voided Mael being arrested and Magnus's underlings snitching out their boss. Sholmes also inform the cast that he gained audience with the queen and she has agreed to have the entire building secretly wiretaped. Unfortunately, due to Hosonaga not using a warrent to uptain the telegram, Jigoku is able to have the evidence be rendered illegal. Our are still able to prove that he did it, but because they couldn't prove motive Jigoku is able to claim self defence. Ryu then realises that acusing Mael of being the 1st mastermind will only result in them being held in contempt of court and has Magnus summened instead. He figures out that Gerald is Magnus and has him summened as a special witness to avoid scarring him into hiding. A recess is called and Sholmes tells Ryu that Magnus can't be arrested if the deal isn't made void and then gives him a costum made safe and tells him that "A is 1". When trial comences again Ryu acuses Gerald of being Magnus. They 1st go over the how-dunnit, however when that approach doesn't work proving that Gerald is Magnus Ryu go's over the why-dunnit which results in Ryu being forced to acuse Mael of being the 1st mastermind. This results in the Proffesor case being retrialed and after Ryu acuses Klint of being the Proffesor, Barok argues that no evidence exists that proves. Ryu then realises that the combination is Klint but in numbers and when he opens it the bloody dog colar from the 2nd Kokoro case shows up. This results in Magnus blowing his cover and then his uses his hencemen to hijack court procedings to call for a recess. Magnus ushers Mael, Yujin and Barok into the Judge's chambers. From Mael Magnus learns that Klint wrote a will acusing Mael of being Klint's blackmailer, but that he doesn't know where Genshin has hidden it. Magnus then interogates Yujin in regards how much he really knows about the Proffesor case - threatning kill Susato if doesn't tell the truth - Yujin reveals that Iris is Barok's niece. Magnus then threatens to kill Iris if Barok doesn't take the blame for the Proffesor killings, the cover up, the assassin exchange and conspiracy to commit murder on Magnus. When trial resumes Barok takes the stand and confesses to all crimes discussed. Ryu is able to find several contradictions in the testimony, from which he's able to learn where the will can be found and is able figure out why Barok is confessing all of the sudden. This results in Magnus producing a photo of Barok killing Genshin, but our heroes are able to see that it's olbviously photoshoped and force Magnus hand over the photo, from which there able to prove that immunity deal is void due to of being Mael and Jigoku being the 1s who killed Genshin. Magnus confesses to everything, but because he's under the impression that it's closed court, he believe he can just order the hence-men into killing everyone before escaping. Ryu then reveals that the entire building is wiretaped and the goons then start to panick, telling that they will turn over their boss is their allowed a leader sentence. This results in Magnus breaking down the end
Something I feel that makes the Great Ace Attorney games a bit harder to go back to is the fact that they are the only games in the franchise that don’t really stand up on their own. You have to play both basically one after the other in order to get the whole tale, which, at the end of the day, I do like! The story overall is fantastic! But I think that by being split by two games, which I can only imagine was an even worse experience in their initial releases, the story as a whole suffers from it. It asks for more time and effort from the player in order to give them a completed story. It also leaves some cases to be much weaker on their own without a case from the other game giving them better context, and a fulfilling conclusion. It’s just so hard to get the urge to sit through these compared to something like Dual Destinies or AA1, because a lot of these cases don’t feel satisfying if I just play one game and not the other. I’m very grateful that the collection was released, and experiencing the whole package was a great time, but I couldn’t stop thinking about how weird and disjointed the experience felt until I had finished.
Could just be a result of dev time, system limitations or both at play for why they're like this. But now that capcom is on a much appreciated collection frenzy, they can be enjoyed fairly seamlessly so I'd say it lessens that. Still makes discussing the cases like usual individual cases a bit more complicated than normal, but eh.
mc guilded needs to reveal herself at the end if he does not the case ends if he did do it or not .... i mean who wants a case with no resolution at all ?
I’m sorry but putting case 1 of this game bellow big top should be a crime punishable by death Oh and case 3 of this game is my favourite in the entire series and that was placed bellow big top aswell if we needed any more reason to whip out the electric chair
Does anyone else think Ryunosuke's model looks kind of unfinished compared to the others? Especially around the ears and hair it just looks rougher? I guess?
Surprisingly, no. The japanese name for the Von Karmas is Karuma, which is also Kazuma's sword's name. SPOILERS FOR GREAT ACE ATTORNEY 2 In the second game, it's revealed that one disciple of Genshin Asogi (Kazuma's father) took the name of the sword and made it his last name. That nameless disciple is the ancestor to the Von Karmas.
Sorry I was here for the rating, because I trust your instinct. (You guys, are the reason why I played Invist. 2) Your taste is, pretty close to mine.😊 So I wont watch the video.😢 Until I buy Switch and play it, or play it on ehmm another ways.
Great video You brought a lot of good points and I agree with most of them Here is my opinion on those cases Case 1 I hate it This case is soo long that I wanted to be done Also the logic in some areas is horrendous Like this stupid steak For me this case is the 2nd worst 1st case in the series(the worst one is the 1st case in JFA) Also some characters act dumb for no reason like hosonaga with the steak, and why would Jezail fire the gun? But thankfully characters like ryuu and kazuma made it bearable for me This is the only case which made me completely pissed purely cause of pacing 3.5/10 Case 2 also dont like it The worst case in TGAA1 for sure Logic make sense (kinda) This case is boring and predictable in not a good way Also dont like that they killed kazuma off this early Pacing is all over the place Im probably the only one here but I hate dance of deduction Why? They are long and you waste so much time Also they are easy af And the fact that you have two dances and you have to wait before you can spot contradictions is really dumb Yes i get it, Sholmes is dumb but you waste so much time on those Also the culprit is kinda mid 3/10 Case 3 This case is very good Good introduction to stronghart and great worldbuidling This case is my 3rd fav 3rd case in the franchise Van zieks is fine in this case Juror mechanic is a fresh idea for AA and I liked it This case is very well executed However the last part is not good Well you see Mcgilded is found not guilty(we and the prosecution didnt want that) The problem lies with lack of evidence that the bloodstain is forged(I dont care about memory≠ evidence bs) Why was there not any blood trail between the real and fake blood Also the color tells it all Ryan should touch the blood to see if it was fresh The real bloodstain was there for couple of days so it would have dried But let assume that ryan and susato did not know that fact(and probably it would be the case) Van zieks should know that He should have objected immediately Ofc the autopsy report states that there are no bruises on victims body which make this stain illogical to appear So many contradictions from this stupid fake bloodstain And obviously the game do not adress these issues cause we need a twist And also because of what you said at the end with making mcgilded too evil for no reason and killing him off This case would be 8/10 but bc of this ending it is 5/10 Case 4 This case is mediocre at best For starters Mystery is underwhelming Unique that it is not a murder i guess Garridebs are really annoying This dance of deduction is worse than in 1-2 Souseki is fine A bit overdramatic for my tastes tho Now the trial There are some big top vibes here(the knife hitting the window) My problem is with the angle of the knife hitting olive And the piece of knife landed in the f**king pipe somehow And again characters act dumb for no reason like garrideb not noticing a knife fragment in his pipe The case also drags as hell Pat and rol testimonies drag a lot Thankfully their final monent was good But the culprit sucks I dont like that this case premise is an accident built up by multiple seemingly impossible acts of fate 4.5/10 Case 5 Well the investigation is the worst part It takes like 2hours to complete(at least on my playthrough) And then we have a trial with no breaks That was a horrible idea Some testimonies were unnecessary I dont like that this case has so many coincidences Like the one juror is the sholmes doctor and the one knows the culprit personally The peephole Another coincidence but not a annoying one so im not mad at this one The story for graydon is good but as a villain he is only fine Mcgilded is a good villain Ryan and gina character development is very good But mcgilded was killed of too quickly and he is kinda wasted This case is 6/10 So the game is 4/10 for me
@@diesakuma367 I’m with you on MANY points here. I’m of course more optimistic than most. If there’s one thing I can disagree with proper is the sheer over the top levels reached in not just the dances of deduction but the game itself can be too much. And it’s not that I don’t GET it. But there’s 2 things that really stick out to me to counter that. Ace attorney as a whole is an IMMENSELY over the top series and prides itself on being that way. And adding someone as over the top as Sherlock Holmes will only catapult things to the moon. And I guess I was just braced for that.
@Kaempfdog I mean yea but spoilers to TGAA2 They should have made the deductions like in TGAA2-5 So you are doing the deduction immediately Cause as I said, it wastes time for no reason Sure,it is over the top, and it is kinda funny, but this got old too quickly imo Maybe it would be better if those deductions were shorter But this is the tiniest complaint I have with this duology anyway, so I'm not mad or anything like that
Haven't even watched the video yet but I sure hope this isn't another analysis that argues that Holmes/Sholmes always faked his L&RSs for the sole purpose of teaching Ryunosuke. If that's not here then I'll likely think this video is great. Edit: Ah, it's a case ranking, of course. In that case, that wouldn't come up until the second part.
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Fun fact: Herlock Sholmes was indeed intended to be the OG Holmes. However, the collection was coming out just a couple years before Sherlock Holmes entered the public domain. So yes, it was to avoid a rights dispute with Doyle's estate, but the result is still absolutely hilarious and perfectly on the nose for Ace Attorney.
@@irtehmrepic oh I asked my dad about the original Sherlock Holmes while making notes about this game and from the sounds of it these games 1000% nailed it.
@@Kaempfdog It's also a nice shout-out to another author that Japan really favors, Maurice Leblanc. Leblanc had to do the same letter switch to get Sherlock to appear in one of his Arsene Lupin novels.
To be specific, Sherlock Holmes, the character, was already public domain, but Sherlock Holmes, the quirky but actually nice guy, wasn't.
@@llSuperSnivyllWait that's confusing so the name is public domain but the character isn't ? So you can have a character name Sherlock Holmes but isn't Sherlock Holmes ?
@@Lucario1121 Until last year, you could use Sherlock Holmes, but not use the characterization Arthur Conan Doyle gave him after Sherlock returned from "death".
I disagree with how you approached the 3rd and 5th case. Maybe it's just me, but you seem to want more 'standart' AA story. Yes, Magnus in any other game could have served as a much more threatening antagonist than Graydon. Yes, 3rd conclusion is unsatisfying. However, I don't think it would quite fit the game's theme. The entirety of Adverntures has this sense of melancholy to it. The killer of the first case can't be properly brought to justice. The second case is an absolutely senseless loss of life. The fourth case shows just how hard life is for average folk (Bobbies, jurors, everyone basically). It makes sense to me that the game will choose anticlimax over a climax then. The Big Bad, Magnus McGilded, is never brought to justice. Ashley Graydon's backstory is perhaps one of the most realistic in AA franchise. He is a person trying to compensate for lack of affection from his parents by money. He basically hordes it like a dragon endlessly, because in reality no matter how much he tries he can never fill the void inside. He shuns the poor to separate himself from his past. And he is a great contrast to Gina, who is literally his polar opposite.
In the end, I feel like the themes of this game like class-imblanace and moving on with what you have fit more in this type of story. Rather than a tale of how young Japanese student takes down a big bad Magnus McGilded.
I disagree with them too but his puts a new light on the game. Very well put and good eye.
video's editor & co-writer here, I actually agree with most of your observations here but I feel like they're all beside the point of our actual problems with cases 3 and 5. the fact that this story isn't told in the "standard" way is in fact a good thing, it's why the case is still higher in our ranking than other more infamous cases like Turnabout Serenade or Turnabout Sisters, and it's also for this very reason that I actually personally disagree with my brother's take that McGilded should've stayed alive (which I didn't challenge as I agreed it would've been more fun than what we got albeit in a different way & given McGilded's evil tirades a purpose, but I know that's not what the game was going for).
the real trouble for us was that they kept undercutting that sense of melancholy and making choices with these characters and reveals that made us not actually care as much about them as much as we potentially could've. they REALLY beat into your head that McGilded is some kind of big bad-type character, so when he dies it again feels like the entire case was all but rendered pointless, there's no loose end left open either since they all but already told us McGilded did it. I believe that if they'd just cut out all those parts going all on-the-nose making McGilded evil laugh and go on all those traditional evil monologues, made it more ACTUALLY ambiguous whether or not he did it, I think his death would've emotionally hit way harder and contributed to that sense of melancholy way more and made you actually feel that lack of justice being served.
meanwhile Graydon's biggest problem isn't as much our lack of sympathy for his backstory, that's subjective and I can definitely see where your interpretation comes from. our biggest trouble with Graydon was that him being McGilded's killer undercuts the emotional stakes of the SECOND game, which is so heavily centered around the mystery of the Reaper, making it so that the Reaper's dirty work never happens to anyone you ever meet onscreen or know the name of. we didn't directly mention this in the video to avoid direct spoilers but this point especially felt like a tease while we replayed the game and saw that Gregson was literally right there on the scene during McGilded's death and was the one who told you about the mystery of the Reaper to begin with in case 4, a missed opportunity right there in front of our faces
Yes I completely agree! That's what I love about this game and why I actually prefer it over the original trilogy (even though I adore those games). There's a sad realness to all of the cases and that feeling follows into the second game too. It felt weird, but interesting, that the final case in the first game is the only time you actually feel like you actually catch a murderer. In the first, the killer gets away with it, in the second the death was a complete accident, in the third your client is the killer and not only does he get away with it but he DIES later on too and in the fourth case there wasn't even an actual death and the 'attempted murder' was a mistake too. The fifth case is really tragic and you summed up my feelings on Graydon perfectly. I thought he was a great antagonist. And I think that killing off McGuilded was a good choice. I remember watching that cutscene with my jaw wide open. His death was so dark and real. You hate the guy, but his death still really solidifies the threat of the reaper for you (at that point in the story). There's just a real sense of unease that haunts the rest of the game. Even when you find out that it was Graydon and not the reaper I don't think that undercuts the threat of the reaper at all. Just because this one death wasn't the reaper it doesn't take the looming threat of it away for me in the second game. I just took it as Graydon getting to McGuilded before the reaper itself.
I love how they really stepped outside the box with the Great Ace Attorney games and their cases. They play with your expectations so well. They kill off important characters after you get to know them, which shocked the hell out of me. They have attempted murder cases as opposed to just plain murder ones , but the themes and stories in those cases are just as compelling. They even have one case that isn't set in a courtroom. In one case one of your clients IS the killer and the way you just gradually exhaust of all possible grains of hope that HE might be innocent is kind of horrifying to experience, just absolute dawning dread (this is why I love Engarde too but the fact that it was Ryunosuke's first client was so unexpected). I just love these games to death. You never know what to expect before starting a new case.
Personally, McGilded’s breakdown didn’t make whether or not he was killer as obvious as it seemingly was for you. It definitely established that he wasn’t a good guy, but I was still questioning whether or not he was the real killer until it was explicitly confirmed in Case 5. Because of that, McGilded and the omnibus burning in the end meant to me that the truth would likely never come to light and since the series puts so much thematic importance on the truth, it made the ending feel sinister and unnerving rather than unsatisfying.
For me the difference is the absence of an active villain in there. Everyone comes off as equally unnerved, jumping around with their secrets being directly tied to the murder. And there's so many difficult situations leading to such high stress nerves around. And when he breaks down, with the dramatic angles and scary faces and laugh, no other character had THAT close of a response and considering the subjects, it just screamed at us. He kept switching gears so much it truly felt like his true self snapped out when he did or didn't get his way. Once the breakdown occurred it became "You brought a personal branded knife to this."
I agree about the sinister and unnerving feeling and would have been ok with that sinister and unnerving sense if he was ALIVE. The guilty haven't walked free since Dahlia, and with this guy's resources him slipping through our fingers would scare the living DAYLIGHTS out of me. I would have been scared out of my MIND if Gina stole McGilded's coat using the broker's ticket and the spray reveal occurred. I would IMMEDIATELY start racing in my head, if she's gone rogue of his plan, what does he have in store?! Not to mention an implied grudge match between Van Zieks and the man himself. All of that would have had more purpose if he was alive.
But they also had the OTHER avenue with it literally being the SYMBOL of the Reaper of the Bailey. Would've been nice if it was actually connected to that story ESPECIALLY with McGilded's true motive for the murder. AND the people present.
When NEITHER were picked and we returned to this case, all I saw was potential with strict cut off points. But that's just me.
If you count the Investgations 2 fan translation, this is the third time Ace Attorney made a Patrol name pun.
@@joeyburkhart6602 Paht Rohl, Pat and Roly, and Patricia Roland. I’m thinking what her new name will be. I’m pretty prepared for those actually because I was introduced to names before the fan translation everyone played. 1st name I got was Jennifer Reese.
@@Kaempfdog If I had to choose her new name I would go with someone like Lina Onway.
@@Kaempfdog Her new name was confirmed, she's now Fifi Lagarde.
@@sheogorath6834 oh I actually love that. That’s awesome.
Now, let us all sit down, to hear Kaempfdog and his brother's logic and reasoning SPECTACULAR!
I don't think you gave Ashley Graydon enough credit. He's easily one of the most tragic killers in the series. It was clear that Graydon was traumatized by his harsh childhood, he was so terrified of returning to a life of poverty that he would do ANYTHING to avoid it, clawing his way up to a high ranking job of communications worker and conspiring with McGilded. And his relationship with his father. It was implied that Mason Milverton didn't have the healthiest of relationships with Ashley, borderline neglectful. So when Ashley left, he never looked back. But then over 10 years later, he returns to ask his father a favor, and he's overjoyed to see his son again, more than willing to make the disks for him. And when he found out the true nature of McGilded's dealings, he went in Ashley's stead to protect him, and because of this he was murdered. For what reason we'll never know, maybe Mason tried to force McGilded to leave his son alone?
The line from Ashley says it best:
"I don't know what happened that night, but all I know was my father went to deal with McGilded, and he never came home".
Mason loved Ashley so much that he dealed with McGilded to make sure he wasn't harmed.
And because of this, Ashley swore revenge on McGilded, but to do so, he lied, killed, and nearly got an innocent girl locked away, he effectively became just like the man he hated so much. And with this revalation, Graydon breaks down, not with screaming or wild antics, but with tears, he couldn't take it anymore and the truth finall came out.
And yet his far more memorable traits are his practical dance off with Sholmes, EVERY TIME HE MOVES, and it just makes it THAT much harder to make someone so animated also be the tragic villain and it mixed kinda poorly with one winning out the other. Which is where our misgivings with him lie.
@Kaempfdog I agree that there's a bit of cognitive dissonance with Graydon, but it's also intentional, the flashy and wealthy Eggert Benedict could *never* be that dirt poor boy from the slums Ashley Milverton, could he? It's just another way of Graydon trying to bury his past
It's not just trauma, but also greed. Graydon was deluded into thinking he needed to get away when in reality he desired going a step up in society. If he was simply traumatized he wouldn't have abused the Skulkin's, nor would he have lied to Mason. It was only after Mason died that Graydon truly understood the situation, but instead of reflecting on it he turned it into anger against McGilded and continued to live his delusion of a rich english gentleman. His appearance and animations are not only funny but also purposely exaggerated, as it happens when someone is trying to pretend being someone he is not. This character has a lot of depth, just like Nina. It's honestly kinda sad that people consider McGilded the best villain here, when you consider all that the game has to offer
I think the laughing and the freak out of McGuilded honestly better.
Because of the lack of evidence, you can't 100% say he did it. The freak out and laughing imply that he did, right? But the not guilty verdict is saying that he didn't.
It's this confliction of emotions of one half being like, oh he totally did it. But the other half being like, but there isn't enough proof to completely prove it.
And him dying makes it even better. Because without know what comes later. It almost makes all of this feel final. You don't know if you did the right thing or not. And now that he is dead, you will probably never know. Now you will be forced to wonder for the rest of your life if you made the right choice or not.
Fun fact: the TGAA did not come up with the name Herlock Sholmes, this name originates from the book series of books Arsene Lupin, centered the Phantom Thief of the same, which the author Maurice Leblanc wanted to have face off agaisnt Sherlock, but due to copyright had to name him Herlock Sholmes. Also yes I did get this from Persona 5
Wow the adventures of the run away room that low. Personally I have to complete opposite opinion to you two regarding the case. I definitely agree on the great parts you highlighted but I do disagree that it was disappointing at the end. I thought it was amazing how this guy migilded managed to outplay literally everyone especially you and the moment you point out that the evidence you presented was fake, you immediately know he’s the killer but cannot do anything about it because of how hard you worked to give him a not guilty verdict. And i personally like the fact that he dies at the end, it ties well with the end of the final case and it prevents a lame Excuse for them to make his character worse. His character was only amplified imo because of his actions and impacts upon Ashley Grayden and Gina. If it wasn’t for DGS-3 I would’ve put this game near the bottom of my personal ranking. That’s totally my opinion tho and it’s kinda nice seeing someone have a complete opposing opinion of me.
@@Tutel1234 We have been WELL aware how this case was received by many. And we were bracing for impact on the choice to name it the worst of the 10. Repeat visits on killers between both Kristoph and Dahlia have only ever benefit from them escaping, or escaping their mindsets, and it strengthens them when you chase them THAT much longer with more determination to put them in their place the more context you have. In Magnus McGilded’s case, it was a poor decision to give us such a gigantic scene with Gina and the blood sensory when the guy is completely absent as a threat. Because he’s dead, he can’t be called back to the stand, and they treat it like a this changes EVERYTHING kind of moment. It’s…just really hard to swallow. And we’ll get to why his death in the WAY it happened was also a mistake.
@Kaempfdog
Yeah I understand definitely where your coming from as you are considering replay value as a huge factor in your ranking and I respect that whole heartedly. Honestly it’s acc really cool to see someone see this case as very different from mine and a lot of others and I do get where your coming from on how it is very disconnected with the main plot and I do see where your coming from as being a huge misoppotunity. Nevertheless I still think he pulls this case as amazing in my opinion even with replay value as I saw this case less like a 3rd case and more like a 1st in Britain (similar to 4-1), and while I agree that not being able to cross examine him at the end is a bit disappointing I think in the grand scheme it was to just show the corruption on the British courts and the reaper of the Bailey (even tho it was grayden who did burn it down but that’s not the fault of this case). I see that this case as an introduction for the great ace attorney as a whole not the set up of DGS, so I can see where we differ. but I still think get where your coming from and I’m glad that you did point out the plot holes of DGS. I’m REALLY looking forward to the next instalment in this series and am looking forward :)
When I first played the third case, I ended up stopping halfway through the trial, and because my monthly hyperfixation on Ace Attorney was over, I didn't pick the game back up until about a year later, which made the whole "was the omnibus tampered with" part of the trial a lot more interesting to me because I literally forgot.
to be fair, i played the whole trial in one sitting and STILL forgot. the game really doesn't call that much attention to it the first time you look around in there.
For my part i also played the case in one sitting but i noticed the fake blood right away at the beginning of the court session in question, because i always look at all tje evidences at the beginning and the end of each court session.
Jesus, it really has already been three years, hasen't it?
Well, here's to another three and a new great video series!
I think we have a NUMBER of years in projects ahead of us
I agree with some opinions and disagree with others. For starters, Van Zieks introduction was amazing. Also they really glossed over Roly. He is more complex than they let on. Dude got pushed around by Pat but the moment she said things she shouldnt have, he either got weirdly stern or pretended to fall asleep again.
In defense of Roly, that one night was basically the only night where he got to actually spend time with his wife, only for that to be taken away. So to actually be able to even spend time with her, he did what he did (which although yes, it’s a bit annoying), which makes him more sympathetic.
I didn't like these two at first, but the reveal of what happened to Roly actually broke me. The guy is a devoted policeman in a system that actively breaks him and literally God itself decided he wouldn't have any respite. Among all the unfairness we have seen in the Ace Attorney series, this one really resonated with me.
I think the whole case has an overlying theme of "fate" around it that gives it a bit more depth. The inability to escape what seems like being condemned to misery. You end up destroying the lives of both couples to save Soseki, even though none had really bad intents.
I enjoyed the couple a LOT more than my brother. But didn’t have many constructive compliments compared to his criticisms. And agreed they may have overstayed their welcome. In situations like that the criticisms take the conversation with the one that it bothers more talking about it. That’s why I spearheaded the complaints on Pop Windibank because it actively infuriated me.
Yessss!!! I have had your cases ranked videos on repeat this past month!!! Have been so excited for this
I'll admit, I somehow wasn't properly convinced by the evil laugh that Magnus was guilty and needed the bloody overcoat to get the real confirmation.
@@quadrewplex6782 well I’m not in a boat TOO far when my brother explained to me all the foreshadowing of Robin Newman’s big reveal. And then I had to act like yes I DID see all that foreshadowing and it didn’t blow over my head by a mile after playing the game HALF A DOZEN TIMES. But my analyzing has improved a lot over these past few years as well.
Glad someone else wasn’t convinced at that point either
For my part i was totaly convinced of his guilt the first time i saw the fake blood.
54:05 once again, it is NOT a joke, it is only him showing his dedication to his profession - he would rather die than betray the trust of a client
I would say Jezaille is fine. I gotta refresh on your general case 1 thoughts, but I think it's fine that the culprits in them tend to be pretty obvious since I don't think it's any of their intentions at all to have the player think otherwise. The only cases that attempt to hoodwink you on that front are 3-1 and 4-1, and honestly even 3-1 I'd say barely so, since one of the first pieces of dialogue in AA3 is Doug telling Nick and basically the player to beware of Dahlia in the opening cutscene. I guess it's just a "mileage may vary" scenario on how much you care about the series subverting certain trends it has or not. For tutorial cases specifically, its cool when they go big, but i also don't mind them staying true to form.
Also in regards to the McGilded and Reapers Curse thing, I mean... Yeah your bro is right, you really could only have one or the other here. But i disagree with both of you in that don't think Eggbert axing McGilded ruins that. The curse is that "defendants tried by Von Zieks end up dead, no matter the verdict in court" how or by who never really mattered. It still falls in line with that establishing why the folks in London believe so. Then I'm pretty sure we start to see it getting put into question by having confirmation Natsume returned to Japan safely in this game anyway, or at least the theory that it doesn't work outside Europe lol. But even then, the foggy nature of the curse falls in line with the era this game takes place in, folks would more easily believe in superstitions such as the reapers curse and all. My point here being, I get the allure of wanting to see more from McGilded as an antagonist, but he was necessary to off in order to add to the Reaper schtick of Von Zieks. Now i still gotta finish GAA2, on the last case iirc. Or close to it at least. On case 4 or 5 iirc. So maybe future knowledge of the whole game shapes your disappointment in it more than mine atm lol.
All I can say about Case 3 is the full game matters. We look at these cases in the perspective of several playthroughs and looking for good tie ins. Setup and follow-through go hand and hand.
Sorry but this "Great Analysis" is so superficial, I couldn't continue watching after your "analysis" of the first episode. Let me have a quick go at actually analyzing Episode 1:
The Great Ace Attorney started development with one core phrase:
先祖 x 元祖
Ancestor meets Pioneer
This was the inspiration that would give rise to The Great Ace Attorney as we know it. The Ancestor of Phoenix Wright meeting the Pioneer of the episodic mystery genre, Sherlock Holmes. The game transports us to Victorian England and Meiji era Japan; a time in which both contemporary detective fiction and our modern judicial system blossomed internationally; a period in history often characterized by its rapid innovation. In the midst of these dynamic times, our protagonist's life would get completely upended.
Ryunosuke Naruhodo, a well-off university student, finds himself accused of a murder he didn't commit. A British foreign exchange student responsible for the killing aims to escape persecution, aided by the Japanese government. The Japanese judiciary is more than willing to imprison a compatriot as a scapegoat in order to not jeopardize their international relations with the British Empire. Yet, a true warrior of justice awakens in Ryunosuke as he aims to prove his innocence and bring about justice.
No opening in Ace Attorney has as strong of a hook as this first episode of the Great Ace Attorney. While previous Ace Attorney games do a good job of introducing the player to the addicting thrill of solving a mystery and the endearing charm of the series, here we are also introduced to more expansive world building, introduced to multiple main characters with conflicting aims, and an intriguing central mystery. The Great Ace Attorney took on the near impossible task of rebooting the series and having to endear the audience to a completely new setting and cast of characters, but these games managed that spectacularly, even as early as this opening episode. From Ryunosuke Naruhodo, a nervous wreck completely out of his element and forced to represent himself court, to Kazuma Asogi, a cool-headed friend who seems reliable yet holds a deep secret while simultaneously willing to risk it all for his best friend, to Yujin Mikotoba, a professor who clearly knows more than he lets on but aims to keep everyone out of this mess, to Susato Mikotoba, a competent judicial assistant who is more than willing to break social norms of the time and barge into the courtroom with vital evidence for the pursuit of justice. This core cast already does a wonderful job of shaking up the core archetypes of Ace Attorney. This time, we can truly see the protagonist's journey from completely incompetent rookie to ace attorney; we can more realistically see a bond growing between our co-counsels and the protagonist over the course of the game; we see characters hold secrets and have conflicting desires. The standard Ace Attorney formula is turned around.
The formula of the Sherlock Holmes universe is completely upended as well. Our first victim is a certain John H. Watson, and our culprit is an Irene Adler inspired femme fatale, who - seemingly like Irene Adler - appears to make her escape from justice scot-free. Our expectations of how these games will incorporate the Sherlock Holmes canon are toyed with before we even get to meet the man in question. The stakes are already high after only one episode (without veering into insane proportions), not just as the next step for Ace Attorney but also as a daring take on the world of Sherlock Holmes.
While the pacing is prolonged and the difficulty of the challenges is on the lower end, the strengths of this opening episode lie in how it takes on the Ace Attorney formula. The episode feels less insular than the average Ace Attorney opening episode, with implications of the story sketching a deep past of and an intriguing future for the characters. Elements from Ace Attorney 4 and Layton VS Wright return to create a more grounded and darker feeling Ace Attorney, with higher stakes and a story that seems to actively critique dysfunctional court systems. With the western concept of adjudication being newly introduced to Japan, the courtroom has an uncertain and chaotic tone to it, even oppressing at times. From the menacing gallery, to the stern judge, to the substandard forensic rigor of the police, to the chaotic testimonies of multiple witnesses, the atmosphere in the courtroom is very volatile and stacked against Ryunosuke. The courtroom proceedings feel strangely juvenile, as if court decorum and due process haven't had the chance to fully establish yet as the status quo for courtroom proceedings, as if the judicial system is still in its infancy. This lack of judicial rigor is also exemplified by the poor handling of evidence, as is the case in allowing a witness to break a vital piece of evidence on the stand, or by having an incompetent inspector give away his disguise, or having that same incompetent inspector lose sight over the crime scene which then gets tampered in his absence, the same incompetent inspector who aims to conduct a perfect investigations, yet holds back vital evidence until the end of the trial. The judicial system has quite a ways to develop, so all it can rely on now is a faked visage of justice, appearing oppressive and unrelenting and harshly punishing to the innocent defense in lieu of a genuine pursuit of justice.
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Other familiar Ace Attorney conventions are similarly played around with in this first episode. Of course, it's series tradition for our protagonist to face off against a member of the Payne family. However, rather than being indifferent toward facing yet another Payne, I found Taketsuchi Auchi one of the more compelling adversaries we've seen in an opening episode. Rather than just being a mostly incompetent push-over of a prosecutor, Auchi actually plays a very important role in the world-building and political setting of The Great Ace Attorney. Auchi represent the "old guard" of the Japanese judiciary. Auchi's samurai attire is not just a funny visual gag, it also represents his sense (and his generation's sense) of superiority toward the newer generation, Ryunosuke and Kazuma. On many occasions Auchi voices his distress toward the younger generation proclaiming their rights and fighting for justice. He sees Kazuma and Ryunosuke as mere students, rather than as the future of his country, and reminds them on multiple occasions to stay within their lane. There is no better example of this when Susato enters the courtroom with vital evidence. Auchi is so attached to the out-dated and backwards status quo, that he would rather see a woman immediately dismissed from the courtroom which she isn't legally allowed to enter rather than give all legitimate evidence and testimony due diligence in a righteous court of law. Frankly, Auchi is the personification of the cowardice of the Japanese government. Their cowardice toward the changing of the times. He represent the desire of the powers that be - the Japanese government - to only change if it brings them more international authority and influence, but not to embrace change that could bring their own tried and true traditions in danger. On more than one occasion, Auchi is willing to bend over backwards to get Jezaille Brett off the hook. Auchi is tunnel-visioned into celebrating and nurturing the greatness of the Japanese Empire, and clearly believes that maintaining amicable relations with Great Britain and being abused as a political puppet by the British judiciary is the sure-fire way for Japan to succeed, even if that would mean sentencing an innocent man to prison for a crime they didn't commit. The "old guard" prosecutor in traditional samurai garb faces pushback from the defense counsel, the new generation of samurai on a mission. Incredibly compelling theming that brings the series' iconic back-and-forth between defense and prosecution to life in a way the series hasn't seen before (especially in an opening episode). Auchi refuses to back down and make way, yet the times are changing no matter what, and whatever obstructs the path of change gets cut down in the process.
Another great example in which this central theme of the "changing of the times" manifests itself in this opening episode is three of the individuals that take the stand during this episode.
Firstly, we have Kyurio Korekuta, an elderly antique shop owner. He seems to represent the older generation of the Japanese elites, just like Auchi. Kyurio owns much wealth as an antique shop owner, and rather than looking forward into the future that is to come, Kyurio is obsessed with relics from the past. Relics he holds on to for dear life. Not because of the lessons these relics can teach us, but purely for the selfish reason of wanting to profit of the monetary value of these older relics.
Secondly, we have Iyesa Nosa. An army veteran nearing middle age. He appears to represent a stratum of Japan's society that has been exploited by its government. Throughout the 19th and 20th century, Japan fought many wars and colonized many regions in Asia, in the pursuit of becoming the greatest power in Asia that could compete with the larger and more advanced Western Imperial powers. These wars would be the ones Iyesa Nosa would have fought in and be wounded in as a former soldier. Iyesa Nosa gave his life for his country, yet has been neglected by the powers that be. These days, Iyesa Nosa lives in poverty, having to resort to thieving precious koban coins at a wealthy restaurant with rich clientele to provide for his family. The Japanese government aims to become an imperial power, something the Great Ace Attorney comments on throughout the series later on as well, and here we see one of the victims of the Japanese governments exploitation of its people in Iyesa Nosa.
Lastly, we have Aido Nosa. Aido, who's admittedly moreso a joke of a character, actually fits in the generational line up of the witnesses very well (even better than inspector Hosonaga or Jezaille Brett). Aido is a newborn baby who represents the future of Japan as a country. Unlike Kyurio (who will profit off of Japan's wealth for only a few more years) and unlike Iyesa (who has already been exploited by his country), Aido represents a clean slate and the possibilities of where Japan can go as a country. Aido is the future victim of the incredibly turbulent time which awaits ahead of him throughout the remainder of the 19th and all throughout the 20th century. Aido is also part of the new generation who has to occupy the saddle and take over the reins to steer the world into a brighter future.
This idea of the "changing of the times" embodies every single aspect of Episode 1 The Adventure of The Great Departure, but also every single aspect of Great Ace Attorney as a whole. Obviously, as a reboot to the Ace Attorney series The Great Ace Attorney is constantly asking itself the question "which conventions that have entrenched themselves in the Ace Attorney formula over the years need to be challenged and scrutinized?" How can the series modernize, iterate, and ensure its future, while looking at what worked before and expanding on this. Funnily enough, The Great Ace Attorney's answer to that is by returning to a pivotal historic setting, one that meant a lot to the birthing of the Japanese modern legal system and the pioneering of the contemporary detective novel.
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This is not the only time the Ace Attorney series has been introspective and retrospective like this. Of course, Ace Attorney 4 was a similar attempt at a reboot that simultaneously looked back while also looking forward, however we can go back all the way to Ace Attorney 1 if we want to see the origin of this philosophy. Ace Attorney 1 was created by Shu Takumi as his answer to translating the experience of reading a detective novel and solving a mystery to an interactive experience in a video game. Shu Takumi's very first mystery novel he ever read was an Arsene Lupin VS Herlock Sholmes Story.
(SOURCE: Gyakuten Saiban Library "Creator Interview - Takumi Shū (2012)" posted Friday, December 4, 2020.
QUOTE "Interviewer: I’ve heard you love reading mystery fiction. Could you tell us about your first encounter with the genre? Takumi: The first mystery novel I read was in elementary school. It was the Minami Yōichirō translation of Arsène Lupin contre Herlock Sholmes.")
His love for the Sherlock Holmes universe, and his love for mystery literature as a whole, started with Herlock Sholmes. Takumi has talked about how this parody of Sherlock Holmes, namely Minami Yoichiro's freely translated version of Maurice Leblanc's Sherlock Holmes pastiche named Herlock Sholmes, stayed with him throughout his life. Takumi has talked about how he channeled his love for Sherlock Holmes when creating Ace Attorney. Takumi has gone on record saying that the spirit of the Sherlock Holmes he got introduced to as a kid can be found in all of his games, even before Ace Attorney introduced its own Sherlock Holmes parodies. When creating Ace Attorney, Takumi wouldn't know yet how his introduction to a Herlock Sholmes story as his first mystery would pay off many years later…
In a way, Sherlock Holmes was to mystery literature what Ace Attorney was to mystery games. Both played a very pivotal role in helping pioneer and popularize what was initially a more niche genre. While detective fiction already existed in the mid-19th century, decades before the creation of Sherlock Holmes, the introduction of Sherlock Holmes represents a moment in history when detective fiction started to gain critical mass. Sherlock Holmes stories helped introduce mystery fiction to a completely new and naïve casual audience. Holmes became an icon and an inspiration to many, and brought about a wave of interest by readers and authors alike to engage in the booming genre of mystery fiction. The Holmes canon has gone on for decades, with many episodic installments of enjoyable and thrilling mysteries. Holmes has since become the ubiquitous and most recognizable figure from its genre.
Similarly, Ace Attorney is in no way the first mystery game to have been made, or to have been a success. Ace Attorney has been preceded by decades of point-and-click adventure games, mystery games, puzzle games, visual novel adjacent games, and much more. However, Ace Attorney represents the moment that (once again) a mostly naïve and casual audience got introduced to a beginner-friendly installment in the mystery genre of games. This time, it was the casual Nintendo audience on handhelds that were introduced to this genre en masse. Ace Attorney has become an icon and an inspiration to many gamers and developers, and proved there was renewed interest in a genre that seemed to have been dying out in its relatively obscure niche. The series has gone on for over two decades with many installments featuring multiple enjoyable and thrilling episodic mysteries. Iconography of the Ace Attorney series is known far and wide in pop culture circles. Since the year 2001, Ace Attorney has become the de facto example of traditional adventure/puzzle/mystery/visual novel/detective games to the wider audiences. And Ace Attorney has had the critical and commercial success to match. The series has sold well over 11 million units, a spectacular feat for a series in its genre post-2001, only exceeded by the gigantic popularity of the Professor Layton series (with over 18 million units sold), a series which funnily enough has its own existence directly owed to the Layton creator's love for Ace Attorney.
The Great Ace Attorney is a very important milestone in that exact legacy of Ace Attorney. It is emblematic of a series wanting to evolve, but a series also looking back. It in itself represents "the changing of times", as a new take on Ace Attorney, as well as a new take on Sherlock Holmes, just like how Ace Attorney 1 was in essence the spirit of Sherlock Holmes reborn in a new series and in a new medium. The first episode of The Great Ace Attorney does a very admirable job of incorporating this theme of the times changing into its central mystery, its characters, its setting and world-building, its mechanics, and even its meta-narrative. The remainder of The Great Ace Attorney's narrative is very much obsessed with tackling these ideas of succession, legacy, the memoirs and mistakes of the older generations, and the adventures and resolve of the new generation... Ancestor meets Pioneer
In the end, Ryunosuke and co. don't completely succeed in bringing the true culprit their due punishment. As mere university students, Ryunosuke and Kazuma are fighting an uphill battle against international forces that stand above the law. The moment they stepped foot into the closed court proceedings, they were participating in theatrics that could never bring a truly just resolution. After having faced exploitation by their own imperialist government, after having seen the class difference between the witnesses Iyesa Nosa and Kyurio Korekuta, after having endured racism and sexism from foreign powers and the old guard, Ryunosuke, Kazuma, and Susato have learned a valuable lesson: their trust in each other made them a force to be reckoned with and brought them closer to justice. They can only bring about change by believing in each other, and by believing in that shared goal. But with the secret Kazuma has been hiding from Ryunosuke concerning his true mission, that trust would only get Ryunosuke so far before he'd face yet more adversity.
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The Hosonaga rant made me so happy. Love this peculiar guy
About the 5 case maybe we could desconsider ashley as final villain. Since APPARENTLY the duology was originally supposed to be one single game. So ashley is more like middle villain
Yay they’re back! Can’t wait for part 2!
Love that you've made this two-parter! Just a note that "learned friend" is pronounced "lur-ned friend" and is a traditional way for opposing barristers to address one another in court
I find it absurd that this is the only hint we have so far of anything on Phoenix’s family. 6 main-line games, and we still know nothing of his parents or siblings, even though we did get that for Edgeworth, Apollo, and Athena.
For siblings, he has stated he's an only child, forget which game, i think its AA3. I actually kinda like we don't know about his family beyond Ryunosuke cause unlike, well, all other main attorneys in the series, his immediate family doesn't matter from what little have gotten. They're not part of a grand plot or mystery tied to corruption within the courts, he just comes from regular folk and regular upbringing but still able to be a shoulder to lean on for those with more bombastic family lives. Speaking as someone that mostly enjoys that too for the other characters.
Alias names that are catchier than the real names. Didn’t we already have that before? Oh yeah, in 2-3, we had Max Galactica, whose real name is Billy Bob Johns.
Barok Van Zieks: return to the Old Bailey after many years and face Ryunosuke.
Kaempfdog: return to the analysis and ranking of Ace Attorney Cases after 3 years.
Also Barok Van Zieks: throw Chalice into the lamp and slam his heel onto the desk because his 1st case since his return is at the lowest position.
Also Kaempfdog: get shocked while pleading "Pray forgive the Discourtesy".
Oh my god, I have been looking forward for this video since I played The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles! (It's one of the few Ace Attorney games I have actually played instead of watching playthroughs online). This is gonna rock!
I dropped everything I was doing to watch this once I saw it was out. I've replayed this duology a genuine 10 times and hold them as my personal favourite games in the Ace Attorney franchise, so I've been excited to see what you both had to say about them. I think so far I totally understand where you both are coming from in terms of your rankings, and I can't wait to see what the opinions are for Resolve! Another fantastic video!
I've been looking forward to this for a long time! Great work on the first half of the ranking: you two never fail to make my day , whether I'm rewatching an older video or watching a new one 🙂
I agree with your placements of the cases here: while I like GTAA: Adventures quite a bit, in isolation, the game's overarching plot and the individual cases don't quite hit hard as other games in the series. The story is still enjoyable, elevated for me by the excellent graphical presentation and soundtrack. It's just not AS fantastic as other games.
However, I think it works really well as a set up game to GTAA Resolve and all the excellence therein. And if considering as Chronicles as one longer Ace Attorney package rather than two separate games, Adventures is a solid first half to a very compelling overarching narrative 🙂
P.S: Your descriptions of Sholmes made me literally laugh out loud several times, so thank you for that as well.
@@GentlemanGamer94 I’ve said this a number of times. TGAA has a LOT in common with the investigations games. You can tell how much we love a franchise to praise its LOWER cases as much as we do. And we just say yeah, the competition is STEEP.
@@Kaempfdog Precisely! A game in the lower echelons of one of our favorite series is still a darned great game! 👍
say what you will about roly beate (he didnt stand out overly much for me either tbh), but that one line he drops along the lines of "that was the first time i'd ever cursed god" was so unexpectedly fire and hearing it from him of all people was like a sucker punch
1 hour long on my favourite video game? ‼️‼️🙏🙏🙏
I agree with plenty of these but have my own thoughts out of recently playing games some time last year after binging the series and taking a pretty big break. I’ve finished the GAA: Adventures but not Resolve yet right now currently on the last part right before the final adventure.
I really love the mechanics of the game and really enjoyed it but looking back realizing some of the flaws and want to share my thoughts adventure by adventure
Adventure 1 - As first cases goes it’s one of the better ones with a great story reason for us to be learning the mechanics being someone who knows nothing about the law plus the law system being new to Japan. Getting to see Runo get more confidence as the trial progress is really awesome and shows character progression because as the cases go on you see less and less of his nervous animations. My favorite moment of the whole trial was seeing anytime Runo would do the iconic desk slam at first it was just a weak slap that even he would react to then becoming a powerful slam with his conviction. As far as protagonist he’s definitely up there with my favorites.I enjoyed a lot of the side characters and of course wise to spend more time with them but the story as other things to say. I also found Jerzaille to just be alright looking back not as scary as she seemed just more annoying but unknowing this whole first trial really sets up a lot of mysterious I have still yet to uncover which is pretty cool. Being your introduction to the way this series (plus AAxLayton) did cross examination is a lot of fun and refreshing to have a different way to try and learn info plus get the truth because of how things used to be run in the past.
Adventure 2 - I found the fact we have a case which isn’t solved with a trial really fun, as much as exploring just 3 places but in reality just 2 places is pretty boring tho. But the game lets the dynamic of Runo and Susanto start to get settled plus the introduction of Herlock Shomles is so awesome and was so enraptured by him and every appearance he makes in the duology. I like how they just let you get used to how investigations are going to work now with of course as the games continue you can’t really have as short of investigation and trial days anymore so showing you that investigations are going to be pretty long on top of having a Shomles dance of deduction is so much fun to try and see how his logic works and honestly how close he can get if he just has someone to keep him focused (nod to how important his previous partner was) and how Runo can fill in that spot with his own keen observation skills. The whole story itself is just really tragic with a needless death happening because a girl even though she’s in the safest place she can be still didn’t feel secure enough ended up costing the life of our friend and now Runo has to take up the mantle and live up to Kazuma while trying to learn as much as he can in a short period of time.
Adventure 3 - Again keeping us on our toes not letting us get settled in yet now we have to learn how the British legal system works and how it differs from the Japanese legal system we are used to. Runo gets thrust into defending a really shady man in McGillied he seems nice on the surface but you can tell he really means no good and its most likely just all for show. I personally think it’s one of the best intros to the rival in the series with the fabled Reaper of the Bailey finally coming back to the courtroom after all of these years because the defense attorney is Japanese. He’s really fun and intimidating with how much he talks down to everyone and his animations. Made me want to learn so much more about him and his reasons for hating the Japanese which we won’t learn in this game. The whole new jury system is awesome with Runo being the first person in a long time to do the jurazation summarization because people just always lose all the time that they think it’s pointless but Runo has the resolve to keep fighting. It’s so funny to have to the jury against each other in order to buy more time and extend the trial so you can keep fighting. My favorite part of this whole adventure is since you weren’t able to visit the crime scene, instead the crime scene is brought to you so you can investigate the crime scene as the trial goes on and you can see first hand of the tampering that’s going on. Personally I don’t think the ending of the trials is a sour note. I doubt anyone playing and closing looking at everything being said and how the stuff pieces together couldn’t figure out that McGillied was full of shit and was going to be found not guilty either way with the way he’s able to extort people. I don’t think there was any reason to leave it grey because it wasn’t grey, clearly he did commit the murder there just wasn’t anyway for him to get out of this one without tampering and perjury and we would have gotten him but the curse of the reaper struck in the first time in a long time. The curse of the reaper I feel is still in tact, it doesn’t matter if he was found innocent he instead got a different from of punishment which was going to be worse than what prison would have done, death. The curse only seems to strike when it’s actual bad guys getting away with things since others we help are able to avoid said curse. I think it’s a great case, maybe not one of the best but definitely the best of the game.
Adventure 4 - We finally settle in with the natural flow of a really long investigation followed by the court case. It’s pretty standard affair of guy gets accused of murder and we have to prove them innocent. I liked our defendant in this case. He’s very sympathetic because he’s also a foreigner in a new place where they just have not treated him nicely at all, always being treated poorly and now in this situation because he’s Japanese. A lot of the characters are really funny especially the members of the jury being some of my favorites. It lets Runo see that not everyone he’s going to met be as corrupted as McGillied there are good people out there who need someone to just stand up for them.
Adventure 5 - I had a lot of fun with this case, there’s just so much laughs and intrigue to uncover with you having some more suspicions of our Inspector Greyson being very sketchy and out main villain who is so obvious it’s not even funny. Ashley is surprisingly sympathetic with him living in an extremely shitting upbringing and finally was able to make it out by having to do some bad things, trying to do everything to make sure he isn’t in that situation again. McGillied killed his dad who Al thought didn’t treat him right growing up seemed to realize what he did was wrong and even tried to protect him because McGillied was going to kill him either way. It shows how bad of a person McGillied really is and I don’t think there could have been an easy way to have both him and Ashley as both villains in the final part, there’s just no way with how much they hate each other they were going to get each other way before Runo stepped him just depended on when. I also love the comedy in this part with the Skullkin Brothers trying to get Greyson wrapped into their thing and of course using the mechanics of pressing people you aren’t talking to to see that Greyson is going some bad shit and calling him out on it. While I do understand that it can drag I personally never felt that myself and just had a blast.
Overall I think the main thing that hurts GAA: Adventure is that it very clearly is set up for a sequel, there are so many lose ends and mysteries to be uncovered with everything going on and I hope to uncover the as I continue playing Resolve. As the game itself I think it’s a breath of fresh air with how much variety you get, it’s not just intro case, investigate, trial investigate trial. It mixes it up with the intro case, pure investigation and then pure trial to really let players get used to all of the new systems and mechanics being thrown at them so they don’t get overwhelmed. To me it kinda seems like they wanted to make both Great Ace Attorney games just 1 really long game but restrictions and time constraints prevented that plus they would make more money selling 2 games rather than 1, reason I say that is again just how connected every single case as been even in Resolve where I’m just about to finish 4 and head into the finale, it’s just 1 huge story being told and was planned like that from the start unlike the original trilogy which was expanded on was the story was being written. Again agree with a lot of what y’all have to say just felt a lot more positive and can’t wait to see your thoughts on resolve once I finish that
i was rewatching your videos again hoping for this one to come out, glad its here!
So happy to see an upload from you guys!! Love your videos you do a great job!
Yes, you're finally covering The Great Ace Attorney cases! :D
Been waiting for this video for 3 years, hyped to see your thoughts on GAA!
just found your vids after finishing dual destinies the other day and was thinking this channel was abandoned. very nice timing for me
Oh you don’t have to worry about us going anywhere. We have a LOT of projects ahead. But we’re only 2 people so the projects take long periods of time
been waiting for years...but it's all finally worth it
1:07:06 I mean, Mcgilded could've faked his death.
why would he need to do that
The two Great Ace Attorney games where meant to be one whole game, but had to be split in two, so the final case of the first game was never meant to be a finale case
Finally! I have been waiting for literally years.
So as I've mentioned before on this channel, TGAA was my first hands-on experience with the Ace Attorney series, and I'll admit, it was a bit disheartening that from what you mentioned about it, you weren't too fond of the games, but that's no reason to be mad, or upset, and you were going to make video's discussing them anyways, so I was excited to hear say your piece on the duology; And I can honestly understand and even agree with most of your criticisms, I can 100% see where you both are coming from, and say you were absolutely valid on your takes, weather I agreed or disagreed, even though it was mostly agreeing, (Which kinda makes me nervous to re-play both of these games, and to hear you talk about Resolve admittedly) and I'm very excited to hear you discuss Resolve, and give my fuller thoughts on both TGAA 1 and 2.
I do have two other things to say though. 1, I'm pretty sure the Skulkin brothers are Moreso meant to be references to the Doronbo gang from the Tatsunoko anime, Yatterman, rather than the Mario Brothers, I get what you were saying with that, but when you but both Ringo and Nash next to Tonzura and Boyaky, (The names of the two guys Ringo and Nash look like) you'll 100% see it, the only thing that would've made the reference more obvious though was if they were looking for a sister instead of a brother.
And 2, want me to ruin Windibank even more? there's an easy fix to still establish he has a pistol, while leaving out the -Intentional self game over- joke, just have him try and bust a cap in the viola, rather than his own @$$, I just find the idea of a banker who is absolutely willing to destroy peoples stuff to please a customer who currently in the building funny, which also ties into him not being that cowardly, basically saying he's not afraid of the consciences of breaking his clients stuff.
@@SirIsaacFortesque the Skulkins most remind me of the 101 Dalmatians villains. Cruella Deville had 2 henchmen VERY much so like the Skulkins but obviously add a few levels of over the top 1000 fold.
This was a tough game to criticize in the beginning and how we saw it as so comparable to the Investigations Duology. It’s why it’s so important to let new things sit with you before just saying it’s the best thing ever. They are both great games, but it’s also hard to breakdown how every individual case lands with the rest of the franchise. And some cases as much as you love them just end up falling short to so many better implemented ideas across…about 2 decades.
"bro wake up, new kaempfdog video just dropped"
Small correction: it's hosonaga not hosonoga
Its been 84 years
im so glad everyone agrees hosonaga is fantastic
YEEEESSSSSS!!!! I’ve been waiting for this!!!!!! 😆😆😆😆😆
New kaempfdog video just dropped less goooo
I actually disagree a bot on Ahsley Graden. We hear alot about Ginas life in the slums and growing up poor and relyong on pickpocketing. Then Ashley goes and is very much a villain all the way through. But after his breakdown as soon as he spoke about how he hated the slums. And we know exactly what that's like through Gina. He got sympathy from me at least, veey last minute, because he reflects my client. We were fed half his backstory through gina.
Dont wanna rant about too much, but i kinda admire how yall take time to replay each game, for me, any sort of murder mystery game is extremely hard to replay/rewatch, and in this case, im only able to do it if i like the youtuber enough to rewatch from their POV. Then again i have some freakishly unpopular takes about some of these cases, so maybe im just not a good person to judge this stuff. Point is, i find it amazing your able to play any of this series more then once
I feel you. This is one of my favorite game series', but even i gotta wait at least a couple years before replaying any given game. Just how i am with story heavy titles in general, like rpgs. Once i beat it, gotta let that marinate till i forget enough and can go back lol
This franchise is RARELY replayed, and we didn't give replaying much thought because it is easy to invest us in the stories and compel us with the same emotions. But in time, I kept finding crazy amounts of side dialogue NO ONE ever spoke of and went hunting for it only to find incredible amounts of story that no one had seen and could even change the perspective of the story when looked at from different angles hyper focusing on different characters. And then I just HAD to share our findings because of how far deep we went while everyone else mainly has little else but their 1st impressions. And we wanted to advocate for doing so.
BYE THE WAY HE RAN 😭😭😭53:52
I think my favorite characters aside from Sholmes and Iris are Susato and Gina (more so in Resolve but she's great overall).
haha I'm not freaking out, you are freaking out haha
Pray forgive the discourtesy
NO. WAY.
I JUST finished the first TGAA game. Oh my god. This could not have come at a better time.
@@CrabMushroom we’re notorious with bad timing ever since these two games were announced to be translated RIGHT as our original ranking was coming out. So I’m happy the inverse happened for someone!
@@Kaempfdog it's actually really funny because this channel has always provided things at the perfect time for me. I found the original 40 case ranking right after finishing the trilogy (the very brief glimpses at what was to come kept me invested for the future games), I found your dark age of the law video at the end of dual destinies, and now this!
Yoooo this promises to be an insane video
What russian revolutionaire? He is a turist and ballistics expert
“Since 2010”? 4 years ago… how time flies. Also, way to rock the new background!
…Hold on, [Checks release date for the first two videos] They were released in 2021!
The good old days of 2010. We had to put a few projects on hold for this. We are thrilled the time has come!
Shit. I still haven’t finished resolve. Also Turnabout Serenade is fucking amazing and you can’t tell me otherwise.
Do it now. It's some of the best Ace Attorney has to offer
@@shawnshock8651Ehh I couldn’t care for spoils at this point, already happened before
Well if it's just Resolve, you got some time. This video does not include Resolve. (Also I am a bigger fan of 4-3 than most but it just suffered in too many ways. Maybe some rescripting rather than a massive overhaul though was necessary to salvage it.)
@@Kaempfdog My main gripe was how ugly my man Klavier looked in the Serenade itself, but seeing as I haven’t played through any of the cases more than once except for 1-1 and 1-2 and am still yet to play SoJ or VS id probably put 4-3 top 10 (also 2-4 is so overated in my opinion)
These takes man… anyways 4-3 has some pretty dumb writing, especially around the defendant. The serenade is annoying, like the badger but worse. Furthermore, Klavier could have gotten much more development considering his relationship to the killer.
I’ve been waiting for this one! I love this duology, but that’s definitely thanks to playing them back to back as one big game. This one on its own would definitely feel lacking, like it’s just a prelude to the heavy stuff later on in Resolve. So case 5 here to me is more like a mid season finale, rather than a big finish. I don’t have a big problem with that, but in isolation I can see how it wouldn’t work super well.
Anyway, I definitely disagree with your opinions on case 3 (Love that one!), and on Graydon (Rotating him in my mind always)...but I’m willing to forgive everything because SKULKIN BROTHERS LETS GOOOOOOOO BEST GUYS 10/10 🍎🍐
Well keep this in mind, we do take in perspective of the entire duology and where the story leads going down the line. And certain reveals got such strong hard cutoffs that didn't need to be there when the possibilities with the ambiguity could lead to an even stronger true finale and better payoffs across the full 10 cases. At least in my perspective.
Im not a huge fan of this game, but I do enjoy how unique they attempted to be. From ryu not even being a lawyer for a good chunk of the game, to the shattering of the 2 day trial formula, it’s all pretty interesting.
And the lack of a “status quo” makes each case interesting to go to in a vacuum, since ryu and susato generally have a different living situation and formula going between case to case
No talk about how the omnibus is called the Phoenix Wright Omnibus even in the original Japanese version?
This is the only time where it you play all.the cases in chronological order where you have to go to a different ganm since most of revelation second case takes place literly the day after the fourth case of adventures.
Holy fuck it's finally out I'm exicted
Mc Guilded had to be taken care like that .... i dont get any critic here ... they needed to show the reaper of the baileys real nature and also .. Mc Guilded is still the big bad of the 1. Part of DGS cant convince me other
Great video! I agree with almost all your points. Although I love van Zieks (especially thanks to the second game) and he is my favorite prosecutor. I was disappointed by this game and I even took a year long break during the fifth case because I lost interest. It isn't bad but I expected excellency and it didn't come. The second game made up for it though and knowing the characters twice as long as a usual game really made me care for the cast. I can't wait to see the next video!
had an absolute double take when i saw this notification lol
Now then, let us engage in the art of deduction and create a great analysis to The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles, my dear fellow Mr. Kaempfdog.
We had lions roaming in our house causing delays. Thankfully a quick cannon purchase solved all of life's problems.
its here!!
What WASN'T localized in GAA2 were the Asinine Attorney DLC cases which remain strictly in Japan for whatever reason.
The reason those and the Asinine Attorneys from Spirit of Justice aren’t rereleased is due to a certain law in Japan regarding their original release. Something like saying it’s a limited-time purchase for the original game means they can never make it obtainable again, even in another release.
@@eeveeon4081Huh. At least the SoJ ones were localized.
For the record I would watch this video if not for the fact I haven't played the game yet
To me, this video in a vacuum kinda proves my initial thoughts on the 1st game. If you were unaware, there was an attempt at making a fan translation of The Great Ace Attorney before the collection came out. The team, known as Scarlet Study, got so far as to fully translate the 1st game so always hungry for more AA content, I jumped on it and boy was I PISSED when it ended. The first game is a lot of setup for the 2nd game where you truly get the brilliance of these games and not playing the 2nd game right after only really leaves you to fester on a lot of its issues and make them far bigger. Until the collection came out, I considered Great Ace Attorney 1 to be the worst game of the franchise and to me Chronicles is truly one full game and not a duology because the 1st game doesn’t do enough to justify it existing as a stand-alone.
Ayyyyy It's finally here!
The watchword needed to aquire Magnus Mcgilded's coat and the 1st music disk is called PROFFESOR and in the 3rd case of the 2nd game the player is introduced to a serial killer called the PROFFESOR. Based on this, I get the feeling that Magnus was originally ment to have a bigger role in The Great Ace Attorney, but because Shu Takumi had so many ideas he wanted realised that the project had to be split into 2 games, it likelly resulted in Magnus's being deminished. I mean, I think Magnus could have been the best final boss in all of Ace Attorney if they just changed some things and addded some other things. SPOILERS IN THE REPLY TO THIS COMMENT SO ONLY CLICK VIEW REPLY AFTER YOU'VE PLAYED BOTH TGAA GAMES.
So in this rewrite I purpose that Magnus is a Journalist (with Odie Asman being his 2nd in command) who was also investigating The Proffesor Serial Killings so he could uncover their identity and coerce money out of them, less their face be center stage on the front page of the article. However upon learning that the Proffesor had been captured, but that the trial would be held in a closed court to protect their identity, Magnus waited ontill the Proffesor had his death sentence carried out and his body was barried in Lowgate Cemetary to break in and to take a picture of his face.
However when Magnus arrived he saw Drebber digging up the grave and so he hid himself, waiting for the perfect oppertunitiy to take photo of Drebber to later blackmail him with. However, when Mael and Jigoku arrived, Magnus altered his goal again and took a picture of the 2 killing Genshin before quickly fleeing the scene to avoid being ID by either of the 3 men. He then made copies and anonymously sent them to Mael and Jigoku (and also has Odie blackmail Sithe over the fact that Proffesor autopty report was a complete lie) to squeze a lot of money out of them which Magnus then used to turn his news organisation into a mega-corporation, which is also used as a front for his criminal enterpises (Like blackmail and loansharking).
About 5 years go by and Mael finds out that Magnus is his blackmailer and moves to have him and his underlings arrested, however Magnus finds out and arranges a private meeting between the 2 of them. There they negociate a deal where Mael will give Magnus and his employees full immunity from prosecution for past, present and future crimes they commit regardless of sevarity and exchange Magnus will hand over the identity of other criminals (competitors and people pose a threat his way of life including the innocent people) for Mael to have prosecuted. Magnus also threatens to have the pictures of Mael and Jigoku killing Genshin leaked if Mael at any point desides to annul the immunity deal for any reason.
A couple more years pass by and Mason has signed a loan agreement which has resulted in him becoming a slave to Magnus. Ashley tries to buy his dad out of eternal servatute, but once Magnus finds out that Ashley is a comm officier working for the justice department, Magnus turns Ashley into a spy in exchange for Mason's life being spared. Ashley later learns of the assassin exchange program and that Magnus is also a target and collects evidence, which he puts in 2 music disks. Ashley delivers the 1st disk and music box to Magnus and Mason delivers the 2nd Disk, however during the 2nd Gina witnessed what was happening, which the 2 men also found out about.
While is panicking over the fact that he's been caught redhanded commiting treason, Magnus comes up with a plan to further strengthen his grip on Mael that go's as follows: 1) Magnus murders Mason. 2) Magnus waits ontill Fairplay and Furst jump off the bus to fetch the cops before then bribing Beppo into pawning of his coat that has the 2nd music disk inside it. 3) Magnus allows himself to become the defendent in Mason's murder, but also threatens Gina to help him pin the blame on Fairplay and Furst. 4) Magnus has some of his underlings dress up as bailiffs and has Mael assign him a newby lawyer so that the frame job would be harder to detect. 5) After being found not guilty, Magnus has the bailiffs escort himself and Gina to the omnibus so he can then knock her out. 6) Magnus dresses up as a bailiff and has Gina wear his clothes before then lighting the bus on fire and escaping. 7) Magnus has Sithe write a faulse autopty report and has Odie write an article proclaiming that Gina killed Magnus.
After the plan has sucseeded, Magnus telephones Mael to inform him that he's still alive and that if Mael tries to ID him that he'll have the pictures leaked. Mael then informs Magnus about the assassin exchange and why it needs to be carried (if Mael is outed for being corrupt than the deal is void) and Magnus agrees to help, becoming the 3rd mastermind. Magnus go's underground for a bit and once the heat has died down emmerges as Gina's older brother Gerald (Gina is an undocumented citizen and Magnus will have likely dealt with any Eastend kids who could prove that Gerald doesn't exist).
Gerald go's by Pop's shop to retrive the coat and uptain the music disk (to prevent the assassin exchange from being exposed Magnus only needs 1 disk as you need 2 for the morse code to work). However there Ashley going by Eggard acuses him of stealing his pledge ticket (Ashley is unable to see through Magnus's disguise, however that doesn't matter as his reason for uptaining the disk is to avoid getting charced with treason as he doesn't have immunity). Luckely Ryunosuke is able to prove that Eggard is way too shady to take posetion of the coat and disk and Gregson then arrives to take posetion of set disk.
Gerald is invited to come over to Sholmes's home and later sneaks out to retrive the 2nd disk, but is caught by Pop. Gerald lies and claims that he actually just wants to see if the Baskervile manuscript is still in the shop and while Pop is showing Gerald that it hasn't been sold, Ashley, Nash and Ringo break in, steal the 2nd disk and kill Pop. Ryu takes up Gerald's defence and wins, however by the end both the 2 disks and the music box and up in the posetion of the police and so Gerald joins them so he can have chance to retrive them (Ashley does not reviel the existence of the assassin exchange to avoid him mom from getting targeted by the mob).
A couple cases later and Gregson dies. Our heroes are able to figure out about the existence of the assassin exchange, but also that Jigoku is about to formalise the same deal that Mael formalised with Magnus and his underlings and that Magnus still has immunity despite him being dead. There game plan go's as follows: expose Jigoku for having murdered Gregson, which then results in him outing Mael and Magnus for being the other masterminds, which then results in the deal being voided Mael being arrested and Magnus's underlings snitching out their boss. Sholmes also inform the cast that he gained audience with the queen and she has agreed to have the entire building secretly wiretaped.
Unfortunately, due to Hosonaga not using a warrent to uptain the telegram, Jigoku is able to have the evidence be rendered illegal. Our are still able to prove that he did it, but because they couldn't prove motive Jigoku is able to claim self defence. Ryu then realises that acusing Mael of being the 1st mastermind will only result in them being held in contempt of court and has Magnus summened instead. He figures out that Gerald is Magnus and has him summened as a special witness to avoid scarring him into hiding.
A recess is called and Sholmes tells Ryu that Magnus can't be arrested if the deal isn't made void and then gives him a costum made safe and tells him that "A is 1". When trial comences again Ryu acuses Gerald of being Magnus. They 1st go over the how-dunnit, however when that approach doesn't work proving that Gerald is Magnus Ryu go's over the why-dunnit which results in Ryu being forced to acuse Mael of being the 1st mastermind. This results in the Proffesor case being retrialed and after Ryu acuses Klint of being the Proffesor, Barok argues that no evidence exists that proves. Ryu then realises that the combination is Klint but in numbers and when he opens it the bloody dog colar from the 2nd Kokoro case shows up.
This results in Magnus blowing his cover and then his uses his hencemen to hijack court procedings to call for a recess. Magnus ushers Mael, Yujin and Barok into the Judge's chambers. From Mael Magnus learns that Klint wrote a will acusing Mael of being Klint's blackmailer, but that he doesn't know where Genshin has hidden it. Magnus then interogates Yujin in regards how much he really knows about the Proffesor case - threatning kill Susato if doesn't tell the truth - Yujin reveals that Iris is Barok's niece. Magnus then threatens to kill Iris if Barok doesn't take the blame for the Proffesor killings, the cover up, the assassin exchange and conspiracy to commit murder on Magnus.
When trial resumes Barok takes the stand and confesses to all crimes discussed. Ryu is able to find several contradictions in the testimony, from which he's able to learn where the will can be found and is able figure out why Barok is confessing all of the sudden. This results in Magnus producing a photo of Barok killing Genshin, but our heroes are able to see that it's olbviously photoshoped and force Magnus hand over the photo, from which there able to prove that immunity deal is void due to of being Mael and Jigoku being the 1s who killed Genshin.
Magnus confesses to everything, but because he's under the impression that it's closed court, he believe he can just order the hence-men into killing everyone before escaping. Ryu then reveals that the entire building is wiretaped and the goons then start to panick, telling that they will turn over their boss is their allowed a leader sentence. This results in Magnus breaking down the end
Something I feel that makes the Great Ace Attorney games a bit harder to go back to is the fact that they are the only games in the franchise that don’t really stand up on their own. You have to play both basically one after the other in order to get the whole tale, which, at the end of the day, I do like! The story overall is fantastic! But I think that by being split by two games, which I can only imagine was an even worse experience in their initial releases, the story as a whole suffers from it. It asks for more time and effort from the player in order to give them a completed story. It also leaves some cases to be much weaker on their own without a case from the other game giving them better context, and a fulfilling conclusion. It’s just so hard to get the urge to sit through these compared to something like Dual Destinies or AA1, because a lot of these cases don’t feel satisfying if I just play one game and not the other. I’m very grateful that the collection was released, and experiencing the whole package was a great time, but I couldn’t stop thinking about how weird and disjointed the experience felt until I had finished.
Could just be a result of dev time, system limitations or both at play for why they're like this. But now that capcom is on a much appreciated collection frenzy, they can be enjoyed fairly seamlessly so I'd say it lessens that. Still makes discussing the cases like usual individual cases a bit more complicated than normal, but eh.
@@MagillanicaLouM Yeah, I’m grateful for the collection, even if it is a big beefer of a thing to sit through.
mc guilded needs to reveal herself at the end if he does not the case ends if he did do it or not .... i mean who wants a case with no resolution at all ?
The reveal could have been delayed for later on the game
ryonoske narahado
OMG yessssss finally
I’m sorry but putting case 1 of this game bellow big top should be a crime punishable by death
Oh and case 3 of this game is my favourite in the entire series and that was placed bellow big top aswell if we needed any more reason to whip out the electric chair
YAAAAAAAASSSSSS
Does anyone else think Ryunosuke's model looks kind of unfinished compared to the others? Especially around the ears and hair it just looks rougher? I guess?
Barok is supposed to be an ancestor of Von Karma so sure he looks and acts same
Surprisingly, no. The japanese name for the Von Karmas is Karuma, which is also Kazuma's sword's name.
SPOILERS FOR GREAT ACE ATTORNEY 2
In the second game, it's revealed that one disciple of Genshin Asogi (Kazuma's father) took the name of the sword and made it his last name. That nameless disciple is the ancestor to the Von Karmas.
@@m0n5a80 Mhmm....strange well is he then Edgeworth Ancestor ?
@@felixleidig8307there is a guy who put him in Edgeworth's suit. They look so close. He has to be Edgeworth's ancestor.
Yayyyyy
Sorry I was here for the rating, because I trust your instinct. (You guys, are the reason why I played Invist. 2) Your taste is, pretty close to mine.😊
So I wont watch the video.😢 Until I buy Switch and play it, or play it on ehmm another ways.
Great video
You brought a lot of good points and I agree with most of them
Here is my opinion on those cases
Case 1
I hate it
This case is soo long that I wanted to be done
Also the logic in some areas is horrendous
Like this stupid steak
For me this case is the 2nd worst 1st case in the series(the worst one is the 1st case in JFA)
Also some characters act dumb for no reason like hosonaga with the steak, and why would Jezail fire the gun?
But thankfully characters like ryuu and kazuma made it bearable for me
This is the only case which made me completely pissed purely cause of pacing
3.5/10
Case 2
also dont like it
The worst case in TGAA1 for sure
Logic make sense (kinda)
This case is boring and predictable in not a good way
Also dont like that they killed kazuma off this early
Pacing is all over the place
Im probably the only one here but
I hate dance of deduction
Why?
They are long and you waste so much time
Also they are easy af
And the fact that you have two dances and you have to wait before you can spot contradictions is really dumb
Yes i get it, Sholmes is dumb but you waste so much time on those
Also the culprit is kinda mid
3/10
Case 3
This case is very good
Good introduction to stronghart and great worldbuidling
This case is my 3rd fav 3rd case in the franchise
Van zieks is fine in this case
Juror mechanic is a fresh idea for AA and I liked it
This case is very well executed
However the last part is not good
Well you see Mcgilded is found not guilty(we and the prosecution didnt want that)
The problem lies with lack of evidence that the bloodstain is forged(I dont care about memory≠ evidence bs)
Why was there not any blood trail between the real and fake blood
Also the color tells it all
Ryan should touch the blood to see if it was fresh
The real bloodstain was there for couple of days so it would have dried
But let assume that ryan and susato did not know that fact(and probably it would be the case) Van zieks should know that
He should have objected immediately
Ofc the autopsy report states that there are no bruises on victims body which make this stain illogical to appear
So many contradictions from this stupid fake bloodstain
And obviously the game do not adress these issues cause we need a twist
And also because of what you said at the end with making mcgilded too evil for no reason and killing him off
This case would be 8/10 but bc of this ending it is 5/10
Case 4
This case is mediocre at best
For starters
Mystery is underwhelming
Unique that it is not a murder i guess
Garridebs are really annoying
This dance of deduction is worse than in 1-2
Souseki is fine
A bit overdramatic for my tastes tho
Now the trial
There are some big top vibes here(the knife hitting the window)
My problem is with the angle of the knife hitting olive
And the piece of knife landed in the f**king pipe somehow
And again characters act dumb for no reason like garrideb not noticing a knife fragment in his pipe
The case also drags as hell
Pat and rol testimonies drag a lot
Thankfully their final monent was good
But the culprit sucks
I dont like that this case premise is an accident built up by multiple seemingly impossible acts of fate
4.5/10
Case 5
Well the investigation is the worst part
It takes like 2hours to complete(at least on my playthrough)
And then we have a trial with no breaks
That was a horrible idea
Some testimonies were unnecessary
I dont like that this case has so many coincidences
Like the one juror is the sholmes doctor and the one knows the culprit personally
The peephole
Another coincidence but not a annoying one so im not mad at this one
The story for graydon is good but as a villain he is only fine
Mcgilded is a good villain
Ryan and gina character development is very good
But mcgilded was killed of too quickly and he is kinda wasted
This case is 6/10
So the game is 4/10 for me
@@diesakuma367 I’m with you on MANY points here. I’m of course more optimistic than most. If there’s one thing I can disagree with proper is the sheer over the top levels reached in not just the dances of deduction but the game itself can be too much. And it’s not that I don’t GET it. But there’s 2 things that really stick out to me to counter that. Ace attorney as a whole is an IMMENSELY over the top series and prides itself on being that way. And adding someone as over the top as Sherlock Holmes will only catapult things to the moon. And I guess I was just braced for that.
@Kaempfdog I mean yea but spoilers to TGAA2
They should have made the deductions like in TGAA2-5
So you are doing the deduction immediately
Cause as I said, it wastes time for no reason
Sure,it is over the top, and it is kinda funny, but this got old too quickly imo
Maybe it would be better if those deductions were shorter
But this is the tiniest complaint I have with this duology anyway, so I'm not mad or anything like that
Haven't even watched the video yet but I sure hope this isn't another analysis that argues that Holmes/Sholmes always faked his L&RSs for the sole purpose of teaching Ryunosuke. If that's not here then I'll likely think this video is great.
Edit: Ah, it's a case ranking, of course. In that case, that wouldn't come up until the second part.
@@analysissel teaching is a STRONG word. The guy is just having the time of his life with absolutely no regard to anyone as he soaks up attention.